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Tue 15th Oct: Injury Update and 'Loan, Sell, Keep'!
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Today Joe and Scott chat crucial injury updates for Son Heung-min, Richarlison, and Wilson Odobert ahead of Tottenham’s upcoming clash with West Ham, while also discussing the impact of Lukas Bergvall's injury. Plus, we dive into a game of ‘Keep, Loan, Sell’, with some controversial opinions bandied about! Tune in for all the latest Spurs news and fan discussion!
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Introduction and Bonus Content
00:00:08
officialgspn
Hello and welcome to the Daily Tottenham Podcast from the Global Sports Podcast Network and we've got a special bonus show for you today. I'm Joe Forrester.
Injury Updates: Son, Richarlison, Odebaire
00:00:16
Scott Duke_Giles
and I'm Scott Duke Giles and in this episode we cover a crucial injury update for Song Hyun Min, Rich Harlison and Wilson Odebaire, ahead of Tottenham's upcoming clash with West Ham, while also discussing the impact of Lucas Bergval's injury.
Game Segment Introduction: 'Keep Loan Sell'
00:00:29
officialgspn
ah Plus, you've heard of Snogmarry-A-Void. Well, we're also playing a game of Keep Loan Sell. Plus, we've got all your latest Spurs news. Remember, you can have your say at GSP and Tottenham on all social media.
Scott's Cooking Plans and Humor
00:00:42
officialgspn
Yeah, me and Scott Duke Giles here. First up, Scott, you're cooking in curry tonight.
00:00:45
officialgspn
what goes in to a Scott Duke Giles Masala.
00:00:49
Scott Duke_Giles
Well, I'm not really a gentleman of masala's, more of a kind of biryani sticky rice individual, um which but yeah which which is quite, it' is's is it's ah it's it's an underrated kind of curry um delivery system, I think, the biryani.
00:00:56
officialgspn
Oh yeah.
00:01:05
Scott Duke_Giles
And I think i think maybe maybe with some lamb, I think maybe with some lamb tonight, but I don't we'll later yeah so know ah no I don't know. I told you before I still have to get the ingredients.
00:01:15
Scott Duke_Giles
So it's kind of a bit of a spur of the moment. Lots of ginger, Joe. Never can have too much ginger in a curry as far as um I'm concerned. Well, I am ginger, but I'm talking about the ingredient here.
00:01:24
officialgspn
and i Are you and are you using ginger in a pot or are you grating ginger?
00:01:32
Scott Duke_Giles
You're grating, you're grating all the time.
00:01:34
officialgspn
Oh Wow, I mean very very much the Heston bloomin style of the yeah of the global sports podcast network um I Look forward to the GSP in Christmas party when it's when it's the Duke at the auger kind of whipping up whipping up curries for everyone
00:01:43
Scott Duke_Giles
It's not the first time that's been said actually.
00:01:52
Scott Duke_Giles
Well, actually, um for Christmas, my specialised role was um kind of, you know, the innards of the turkey bird. i was i was um My special role was kind of giblet removal boy, GRB, if you will.
00:02:07
officialgspn
Yeah.
00:02:07
Scott Duke_Giles
And I was kind of i became like a specialised worker in that I was so ah like raucously efficient in getting out the giblets. from the turkey. I think I could have I could have monetized my services.
00:02:17
Scott Duke_Giles
Of course, I was only doing this in my family home, but a word went round around my family how good I was at removing the giblets from the turkey.
00:02:25
officialgspn
I love that, like a specialist role, like a footballer who's good at one thing, they were like like Rory De La with his long throws.
00:02:31
Scott Duke_Giles
yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
00:02:33
officialgspn
That's very much good.
00:02:33
Scott Duke_Giles
g Yeah, giblet removal.
00:02:35
officialgspn
Well, um but do let us know if you are if you've got any curry recipes that you'd like like to, a Ledley King Prawn Masala. there's I mean, there's stuck there there are things we could do, I'm sure. I'm sure if we have more time to think about it. um But first up, let's talk injuries. International break is ah drawing to a close. I don't like early season international breaks. I find it a bit of a drag. The Nations leagues, I just frankly find a bit dull, to be honest. i just It drags on a little bit. You get used to the Premier League, you're all excited, and then it goes away for a little bit.
00:03:05
officialgspn
um But we do have some injury news, I suppose, but ah prepared to face West Ham this weekend.
Will Son Heung-Min Return to Starting 11?
00:03:11
officialgspn
Sun Hyung Min nearing a return. He's missed the last three games due to hamstring injury, but he could be back in training this week.
00:03:18
officialgspn
um He missed out on South Korea's World Cup qualifiers however on social media he did tease fans with a back soon message. Could be available to face West Ham on ah Saturday we played West Ham. Scott kind of I think if we'd have asked his question a week ago given kind of Spurs form at that point we might have said I mean, is Sun going to get back into the team? But now everybody, we don't we don't know what we know anymore after the Brighton game. um Do you think that Sun will get straight back into that starting 11?
00:03:51
Scott Duke_Giles
I hope so. um And this that pains me to say as a um kind of confessed advocate for Werner.
00:04:00
Scott Duke_Giles
I suspect that he might make an appearance in our game later on um in the have episode.
00:04:04
officialgspn
ah Are you still a voter advocate after after that the the sheer volume of missed one-on-ones we've seen in the past couple of weeks?
00:04:12
Scott Duke_Giles
Listen, these are tough times for the Verner Lobby. and we knew that We knew there was going to be tough times. that it was but There was the potential to be tough for tough times. e i um At the start of the season, I was a big fan of ah him and and his kind of face and his confused face. has His confused face and his rampant pace.
00:04:32
Scott Duke_Giles
um
00:04:32
officialgspn
Oh yes, nice.
00:04:33
Scott Duke_Giles
Yeah, ah but ah now here's kind of, I think I can see, I can see terror in his eyes and that's never a good sign when you see terror in his eyes. And it's funny talking about Son. You think about the kind of um chances Werner misses and he's so, I'm like, I'm one-on-one so I can't think of many people I've seen so consistently bad at them.
00:04:53
officialgspn
Yeah.
00:04:53
Scott Duke_Giles
um And you think, like you think about Son's very much diametrically opposed to that, where you have rarely seen anyone so good at one-on-one. So you kind of think it's so It's so unfortunate that they're the chances that Werner's getting because you know that Son's tucking those away in in that system like nine times out of ten, probably even more than nine times out of ten. So I think it's kind of quite imperative to get him into the team as soon as possible really.
00:05:19
officialgspn
Yeah, I couldn't agree. And we are gonna talk about Verna later. Of course we are. um Somebody did say to me the other day um that their friend had said to them that if Timo Verna could finish, he'd be God. like I thought actually, it's so because he's in, he he finds himself in acres of space in okay so many teams. He must be a very good player because he finds his incredible positions, but he simply doesn't understand how to score a goal. Yeah,
Richarlison's Return and Solanke's Impact
00:05:45
officialgspn
it's extraordinary. um Speaking of, of somebody else who obviously I've been quite critical of, and I think a lot of Spurs fans have been quite critical of. Richarlison obviously had an injury play time since he moved back in 2022. Got a calf injury at the moment. He has been back kind of doing a little bit of ah training at Hotspur way. We don't know if he is going to feature against West Ham. Scott, he is he's your other kind of cause-celebri. How keen are you to see Richie back?
00:06:17
Scott Duke_Giles
I thought you were going to say other half there for a second.
00:06:19
officialgspn
so
00:06:20
Scott Duke_Giles
It's really been a remarkable turn of events. And not necessarily unwelcome turn of events.
00:06:22
officialgspn
if If you and Timo Werner and Rich Harnessen were in a throuple, that would really, that would that would just, but oh what a story that would be.
00:06:25
Scott Duke_Giles
um
00:06:33
Scott Duke_Giles
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
00:06:33
officialgspn
would page it
00:06:34
Scott Duke_Giles
I mean, we would all be, we all we're all quite, we're three bereft men, I think it would be. It would be fun.
00:06:40
officialgspn
but well
00:06:42
Scott Duke_Giles
Yeah, Rich Harlison coming back. ah this this is This is something that's been weighing on my mind a lot, actually, um because they tend they tend to, on the social media channels, they post pictures of players in training and he's frequently seen kind of on the on the grass right so he's he's frequently seen kind of in these training pictures and he looks happy and he's doing his big smile and he's got a thumbs up but he's kind of consistently been and you said no he's not running mate and not all this kind of you know and um and which is you know I feel like ah with him, you're better just kind of throwing him into the situation, seeing what happens.
00:07:19
Scott Duke_Giles
And I think he would have helped in um some of the games where we were struggling to break teams down, I think.
00:07:19
officialgspn
Yeah.
00:07:28
Scott Duke_Giles
He would have helped them. but But given the fact that we, in the United game, we scored three and in the Brighton game, obviously what happened in the Brighton game happened, but we did score two, and we should have scored more than two. um i think yeah I think his chances might be a little bit,
00:07:42
Scott Duke_Giles
limited, especially because like now we're seeing Solanke have, um I know I really like the way he's playing. I thought he was great in in the first half against Brighton. He's probably our best player in that first half.
00:07:51
officialgspn
Hmm.
00:07:52
Scott Duke_Giles
he He kind of has that skill, which I didn't think a lot of us thought, where he can kind of drop deep and drive with the ball and play the ball in behind for the wingers. And I thought, oh, wow, this is incredible. And so I think Solanke's upturn in form could spell bad news for a fit Richarlison, I think.
00:08:06
officialgspn
what no so slaky I can't remember, was it the first goal or the second goal? Solanke got a lovely assist with a lovely little through ball. um Yeah, I think given kind of a lot of people weren't sold on Ruchalison anyway, given Solanke's form. It's very hard to imagine that center forward role going to anybody else. And I also think, to be honest, he's one of the very few players who came out of that Brighton game with any credit.
00:08:32
Scott Duke_Giles
Yep.
00:08:32
officialgspn
um I know that Angie's teams defend from the front and if you ship three goals, everybody's culpable, but obviously. sent it forward probably the least so just by definition um and i thought yeah i agree with you i thought i thought he had a really good game um disappointing to hear that over the international break uh lucas burgvar has been injured while playing for sweden uh we don't know what the the kind of severity of the injury is yet he walked off the pitch which is generally a good sign um but shame he's been getting some games uh
00:09:04
officialgspn
kind of being in the Europa League. Obviously, that's where you'd expect to see him. um Obviously, he got hooked for Dragos in in that first Europa
Lucas Bergval's Injury and Squad Depth
00:09:09
officialgspn
League game after the red card. But, yeah, it's a shame. Like, he's he's a promising young player, kind of the person who you want to see in there maybe playing in that number eight role if Madison's not available, potentially kind of driving forward in that Kulesevsky role behind the striker if he's not available. So, in terms of our squad depth, it starts to look a little bit thin because we're kind of 10 a penny for your tackling passing generic central midfielders, that kind of creative flair coming from midfield, we have a little bit less of. So I was i was genuinely disappointed to hear that. I don't know what you thought.
00:09:47
Scott Duke_Giles
Yeah, I think it's it's not it's not it it's always a shame when a young player gets injured like that, especially when they're getting some game time, as both that was. But I think it's an actual active hindrance to our Europa League ambitions, really. But I mean, we don't know how long it is. It could just be that he's out for the Outmar game or um you know ah just a few of the Europa League games. But I don't think he had the best game against Ferrum Vacos, but you know he's 18. And he wasn't terrible. And he just he just kind of gave the ball away a lot in the second half, and then he got taken off.
00:10:16
Scott Duke_Giles
um I hope it's not too severe. I think it's um yeah i think he does that really well. He hit the nail on the head where he kind of has a lot of nice attributes in that, he some which means that he can be quite a versatile player, I think. and that you can kind of I think he can play the role behind the striker and then he can also drop deep um to play in like a more of a competing than a holding midfielder, perhaps, um as you've seen Madison do in the last couple of games.
00:10:43
Scott Duke_Giles
yeah I hope it's not too serious, as you say, and um yeah because I think he will get more games in the Europa League because he's shown that he has has enough quality to be in that team playing against good teams from Europe. so yeah
Injury List's Impact on Strategy vs West Ham
00:10:56
officialgspn
Absolutely. In just a few moments time, we're going to be talking about ah how Spurs injuries might affect the approach to the West Ham game and just having a little think about the West Ham game ah early on in the week already before we ah before we do our preview later in the week, of course. But first up, this podcast is part of the Global Sports Podcast Network, the only network bringing you exclusive daily news and views on your Premier League team, the Premier League, women's football and fantasy football.
00:11:19
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00:11:32
Scott Duke_Giles
Yes, so with Son, Rich Harlison and Oderbehr potentially returning, Positikoklu now faces the challenge of carefully managing their reintegration. We talked a little bit about this with Rich Harlison, I guess, and he has not been reintegrated um because he doesn't want to aggravate their injuries, of course. And having them back for the West Ham game would be a massive boost, but obviously they won't want to take any unnecessary risks. How would you see that panning out, Joe? Do you think, we talked about Son kind of potentially coming in and I think that he needs to come in?
00:12:00
Scott Duke_Giles
What about Odeber and Richarlison from the bench? If we kind of ah we're in a horrible situation, we we're struggling to break West Ham down, which I don't think we will because they look defensively worse than us this season.
00:12:12
Scott Duke_Giles
um yeah whatgie What do you see happening there?
00:12:12
officialgspn
Yeah.
00:12:15
officialgspn
Yeah. First, first up, Spurs desperately need to get back on track like the the brightening, the brightening, the brightening game.
00:12:23
Scott Duke_Giles
but It but definitely definitely wasn't a brightening. know we that for
00:12:25
officialgspn
Brightening. Yeah. The Brighton game was a very chastening experience. And um yeah, that's I mean, within context and kind of with a week or so come past and and I had family visiting this weekend and I talked to my auntie about it at length.
00:12:40
officialgspn
And she was very upset about it. I was like, look, We won five games in a row. We had a fantastic half against Brighton, and then we blew it with pure naivety. But they're they're a good side. We're away from home. And yet, it's to be honest, it's like it's pretty indefensible to capitulate like that and to look quite like such a bunch of headless chickens.
00:12:59
officialgspn
but is a relatively young team, still betting into a new style of football, brighten a decent side while coached, these things do happen. um So that it's not a disaster. However, should Spurs go out and the result is right against West Ham, then such is the nature of football and the news cycle, which we're obviously a part of, it starts to look a little bit ropey.
00:13:21
officialgspn
Also, obviously, a London Derby for West Ham, and I love to say this, for West Ham, we're their biggest Derby. um Just FYI,
00:13:29
Scott Duke_Giles
is it is there Is there a term for that, Joe? Is there a what? Is there what?
00:13:34
officialgspn
Yeah, so that that that is that I mean, we're their biggest, I'll be by far, but they're, they're, we're, I suppose, we're their cup final.
00:13:38
Scott Duke_Giles
i think it's I think it's cut final, Joe. I think cut final is is is is there's the term we're looking for, yeah.
00:13:44
officialgspn
i I was going to say we're we're very much sort of an aspirational derby for them.
00:13:49
Scott Duke_Giles
Oh, yeah, yeah, definitely. but
00:13:50
officialgspn
Whereas obviously we we care we tend to care more about Arsenal and Chelsea, you know proper clubs. But also so we're going to do a crossover with West Ham later in the week. That'll be fun. um But yeah, so spur Spurs need to get back on track.
00:13:59
Scott Duke_Giles
Mmm.
00:14:02
officialgspn
Obviously it's at home. um Saturday kickoff as well, which we don't get a lot of. In terms of getting back to your question, I think, yeah, Sonny's definitely straight back into the team. If Sonny's fit has to play, Werner kind of joking aside has proved that he, I
Form and Roles of Son and Richarlison
00:14:19
officialgspn
just don't think he's good enough. Like if 90% of your game is there, but you can't fundamentally, it's not just finish. He gets in fantastic positions, but then the final ball will be awful. And the hard bit is done. You've,
00:14:32
officialgspn
<unk>ve You've managed to rinse three opposition players. like The next thing to do is cut the ball back. And that's either a lack of quality, which I don't think he can have. like This guy's got a lot of caps for Germany and stuff. that He's obviously not useless. Or just a lack of confidence. It's that moment where you realize, oh, wow, this is the final thing I have to do.
00:14:51
officialgspn
um He's proved for me that he can't be there. um So Sun has to walk straight back in. um And then obviously you go Solanke and then Brennan is absolutely on fire. Again, actually he left the Brighton game with a bit of credit because he scored again, of course he did.
00:15:03
officialgspn
um Shame that Oderbehr's not there because off the bench, um we've only seen him once in the Premier League this season.
00:15:06
Scott Duke_Giles
Yeah.
00:15:11
officialgspn
If I'm right, he started against Brentford, against Everton, sorry. um And i I actually thought he looked really good. Obviously the caveat of that is, and apologies to Everton fans who are listening, but... I don't know what he would be, but the caveat there would be it's Everton and obviously they look a bit shambolic this season.
00:15:27
officialgspn
um that He would definitely be a threat off the bench. I really don't see Rich Arleson having much impact unless somehow West Ham managed to completely nullify Solanke or he has a stinker or he goes off injured.
00:15:43
officialgspn
um And even then, I would kind of, if I was Anj, be tempted to push Kulishevsky up through the middle or push him out wide and his son in the middle. Bergfau is a miss because if Madison can't quite make things happen, um then Bergfau is the natural player to come in there. But ultimately, it's it's not it's not too much of a worry. The only one you'd kind of, out of that four, if you look at it, you think, I would like son to be fit, the others we can probably live without.
00:16:10
Scott Duke_Giles
That's um remarkable because you made um but lots of very kind of equ eloquent points there and um i I think I agree with everything you just said actually.
00:16:18
officialgspn
That's remarkable in itself, because no one's ever said that before.
00:16:20
Scott Duke_Giles
and i and well Especially about especially the the kind of Kuzefsky pushed up thing instead of Richarlison.
00:16:21
officialgspn
Sorry.
00:16:25
Scott Duke_Giles
I think that would be really, um yeah that wouldd be that would that be a hammer blow to Richarlison I think if that happens.
00:16:30
officialgspn
Oh, yeah.
00:16:31
Scott Duke_Giles
And the two things that I kind of came away with from that is first of all, Yuranti is kind of emerging as this kind of pod legend. and then she kind of ah From from kind of having drinking posh tea with Andy Carroll ah now and of having summits, like like kind of like kind of Cold War summits with you about Tottenham games.
00:16:43
officialgspn
Oh, yeah.
00:16:51
Scott Duke_Giles
I quite like that. and the second of
00:16:52
officialgspn
Honestly, we sat around the kitchen table, Scott, and she just couldn't let it go. We were trying to have a nice family evening. I was like, I agree, we were bad.
00:17:01
Scott Duke_Giles
It's like Yalta or Potsdam or something.
00:17:05
officialgspn
Yeah, it was.
00:17:06
Scott Duke_Giles
That kind of meeting.
00:17:06
officialgspn
Yeah, she was very much the Stalin to my Churchill. but
00:17:09
Scott Duke_Giles
And then, but the second second of all, you're wearing, and ah this is an audio format, so this this doesn't work perfectly, but you're wearing quite a remarkable black Tottenham shirt. the kind of I think I've seen most Tottenham shirts before, but I don't think I've ever seen that before.
00:17:21
officialgspn
Yeah.
00:17:23
Scott Duke_Giles
What is that, Joe?
00:17:24
officialgspn
This actually, it was my 37th birthday yesterday.
00:17:28
Scott Duke_Giles
Oh, happy birthday, Joe.
00:17:28
officialgspn
And the but thank you very much. And um I would say um that makes me a middle-aged man. And yeah, what I asked for for my birthday was the Spurs under 19s training top because I thought it was really cool.
00:17:42
Scott Duke_Giles
as god I mean, that's ah that's a remarkable request, but you're right.
00:17:43
officialgspn
well
00:17:46
Scott Duke_Giles
It does look lovely. You look a bit like a referee.
00:17:47
officialgspn
It's not bad, is it? It's not bad, is it? Yeah, it's it's not bad. ah oh you should I was i was ah was pleased as punch when I unwrapped that, so yeah.
00:17:52
Scott Duke_Giles
He looks great on you, isn't he? Fantastic.
00:17:59
officialgspn
I love it, mate, I love it. thank you Thank you very much, yeah.
00:18:01
Scott Duke_Giles
I'm very glad.
00:18:01
officialgspn
Thank you for noticing, I'm chuffed.
00:18:02
Scott Duke_Giles
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00:18:37
Scott Duke_Giles
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00:18:44
officialgspn
Here we go, it is very exciting now because Scott, you you've heard of the ah party game, or do you
Rules of 'Keep Loan Sell'
00:18:49
officialgspn
know what this is? This is the sort of game you play it at work drinks. It's like if you go out, if you get a new job or whatever.
00:18:57
officialgspn
and you go out with the team for like the first drinks or whatever on a Friday night and nobody knows each other that well outside of work, you might play a game of snog, marry, avoid. Well, this is even more risque because it's keep, loan, sell. So this is based on the players who are out of contract at Spurs in 2025. So at the end of this current season, they are Fraser Forster.
00:19:23
officialgspn
Alfie, this is a bit like Blind Date now. du ah
00:19:26
Scott Duke_Giles
You're also reading the map a bit like The X Factor Man.
00:19:26
officialgspn
behind so
00:19:29
officialgspn
Freezer Forster. um and There's going to be a few surprises in here I think for people that their contracts are even still with Spurs. Alfie Whiteman. Ben Davis, Sergio Reggion, Sun Hyung Min, Timo Werner, and Pierre ML Huyberg. So the idea is, I go through the names and I ask you Scott, would you keep these players? Would you loan them out? Or would you sell them? Or I suppose in this context, let them go. um The first one is Fraser Forster, keep loan sell.
00:20:00
Scott Duke_Giles
I think I'd sell Fraser Forster, I'm afraid. i like I like him because he's tall and big. but um I think it's interesting because I think we'll we'll be seeing him a lot this season.
00:20:06
officialgspn
yeah
00:20:12
Scott Duke_Giles
And i Vicario played against Ferring Vakos, which is not a tremendous Vote phrase of Fraser Forster's with the confidence in Fraser Forster and you can't have a career playing those games because he's I mean I know playing goalkeeper is you know ah It's not as intensive as easy but like, you know, the man is good the man is gonna be playing too many games if he plays in every cup competition and I think Forster can't play out with his feet and
00:20:20
officialgspn
Yeah. Easy.
00:20:34
officialgspn
Yeah.
00:20:39
Scott Duke_Giles
I think that I'm pretty, um I'm reasonably confident that Tottenham will be looking to get a goalkeeper in. I said i like I'm in the know, I'm not in the know, but if i if I was kind of, i would that would be my premium position to try and strengthen, I think. backup go Get a good backup goalkeeper.
00:20:56
officialgspn
Speaking of backup goalkeepers, the next name on the list is Alfie Whiteman. Now, I had to Google Alfie Whiteman. um He's also a keeper um at Spurs, so I guess that makes him our third keeper.
00:21:13
officialgspn
um I don't, yeah, i I'm afraid I don't know who he is. um So I would say, and he's 26 years, we've got the other lad as well, Austin, is it?
00:21:22
Scott Duke_Giles
Hmm, Brandon Austin.
00:21:23
officialgspn
Who who who really, really gets his face about in all the social videos and seems to be pals of everyone don't really know what he's about.
00:21:31
Scott Duke_Giles
I think that's the same for Alfie Whiteman as well.
00:21:31
officialgspn
um
00:21:33
Scott Duke_Giles
I think he's often in the, because as we said on the podcast the other day, I've started to watch the videos now, whereas previously I didn't watch the videos that Tottenham released. And Alfie Whiteman's in all of them, as is Brandon Austin.
00:21:45
officialgspn
Well, they've got nothing else to do. What else are you doing? um that's That's quite a good life, isn't it? If you're them, because i I did a cursory Google of their salaries, and obviously we don't know this, but their salaries are both estimated at £390,000 a year.
00:22:04
Scott Duke_Giles
um like
00:22:04
officialgspn
Now, obviously, if you get to that level and you've made it that far, you're elite in sporting standards and they want to be playing. But to people like you and I think I just coined that in to mess about with Sun at training and then just kind of naff off at half past 11.
00:22:21
officialgspn
That sounds fantastic.
00:22:22
Scott Duke_Giles
Yeah, I'm trying to be less cynical and bitter about things. where So the old Scott Joe would have been like, no one should be on that much money if you're just clowning around laughing with song.
00:22:31
officialgspn
Yeah.
00:22:31
Scott Duke_Giles
No one should be able to. and But now I'm Zen and i'm I'm letting things go. And I think, so I'm go i'm gonna i'm gonna, I'm just gonna say, keep Alfie Whiteman.
00:22:35
officialgspn
Paying more, man. but
00:22:39
Scott Duke_Giles
Have him there all the time. You know, like um I want people to thrive. He seems like a nice guy. Why not? Who cares? I don't think about him ever.
00:22:50
Scott Duke_Giles
and So.
00:22:50
officialgspn
Yeah, that's so true.
00:22:51
Scott Duke_Giles
Let the man do what he wants and pay him what he wants. It's all good. I'm Zen.
00:22:57
officialgspn
like Logically, my brain goes, well, obviously, loan him out or sell him because who is he? But I'm sort of like, yeah, I'm like, Whatever, Alfie. Do you know what? like Good luck to you yeah like you.
00:23:09
officialgspn
You've landed on your feet. The rest of us are struggling away, and you're really winning at life, so absolutely fine. The next one, I think, could be relatively contentious. Ben Davis.
00:23:19
Scott Duke_Giles
Yeah, I think um this this is an interesting one.
00:23:19
officialgspn
What do you reckon, Scott?
00:23:22
Scott Duke_Giles
So he's he will be kicking off as Wales captain. um well Well, he would have played it. but Listeners the next day will know that he he had Captain Wales against Montenegro on Monday night.
00:23:34
Scott Duke_Giles
um i would I would keep Davis because I think He's important as cover in centre-back and as a left-back. um in And even if Tottenham hopefully get into the Champions League next season, if we keep our fingers crossed, um I think he would be he would still be good at important rotations playing kind of cup competitions and stuff.
00:23:55
Scott Duke_Giles
People like like him a lot. So I think people say that he's very important for like the younger players and this kind of thing.
00:23:58
officialgspn
Mm.
00:24:03
Scott Duke_Giles
And I know that's not necessarily a um a reason to solve reason to keep someone. um But I think I quite like Ben Davis. I think I was i was at the Carabag game um ah earlier in September and um we were sat in front of people who were kind of um not not being very complimentary of Ben Davis. And I um first of all, um if you' go if you're going to come to the games and like being not very complimentary out of players.
00:24:30
Scott Duke_Giles
on What are you doing? You know what I mean?
00:24:32
officialgspn
Yeah.
00:24:32
Scott Duke_Giles
Like, come on, have a break. But then second of all, like, i don't I don't really think he's done an awful lot wrong. I mean, like probably when he was playing every week it for Tottenham in the Premier League, when we were trying to win cups and finishing the top four, he probably wasn't good enough for that.
00:24:46
Scott Duke_Giles
and i But we know that now. And now he plays in these games where, um ah you know, the cup games. And I think it's OK. I think having Davis there is fine. What do you think, Joe?
00:24:57
officialgspn
he He's, I mean, he is a reliable top half of the Premier League footballer. And I think you're right, I was stunned to realise that he he's only 31, so he'll be 32.
00:25:09
Scott Duke_Giles
He's a lot younger than you would think.
00:25:10
officialgspn
Because he's one of those players who's, because I feel like, because we must have signed him when he was 21 then, maybe, and he'd been at Swansea for a couple of years previously. I think because he's got, because he's got sort of quite a ah generic face.
00:25:24
Scott Duke_Giles
He's got the skip effect, all of the skip effect.
00:25:24
officialgspn
but
00:25:27
officialgspn
Yeah, he looks really like one of my mates. So my mate Naz basically is famous for sort of like, he'd be an amazing spy because he looks a bit like so many people. And my mate once did a collage of loads of different people who look like him. And with the caption, find Naz. And he'd ever had to look at and go, I've known him for 25 years. And I know that's Ben Davis, but is it Naz?
00:25:52
officialgspn
because it's quite, it's quite, it's quite, he's, he's quite hard to play.
Is Ben Davis a Valuable Backup?
00:25:57
officialgspn
So he twice been Davis. Um, yeah you know what, like I was saying, play left back and play center back. He's very, he's, he's kind of assured he's confident. He's very experienced. I think that's quite valuable. I don't think that I i think if he's starting several games in the Premier League in a row, we've got kind of an injury crisis. But as you say,
00:26:17
officialgspn
League Cup games, Europa League games against some of the lesser opposition, um I think he's definitely kind of worth having. And also, I've done a bit of ah bit of filming at Spares.
00:26:28
officialgspn
One of the people that we filmed with was Ben Davies. He was really nice, super professional. And the press officer said to me, I was like, oh, but he was fantastic, blah, blah, blah. We're actually running ahead of time. And he was like, I such a professional. And I was like, that that's the sort of people you want around teenage millionaires.
00:26:42
officialgspn
but
00:26:43
Scott Duke_Giles
Yeah. And like there's a reason why Bellamy, who's like tried to shake up Wales so much, has just kept him as captain. So yeah.
00:26:49
officialgspn
Yeah, there you go. Sergio Reggion, still a Tottenham employee. I'm just going to throw it out there. I quite like Reggion. I don't know if it's because I had him in my football manager team seven or eight years ago and he did a great job for me as a flying wingback, but I always think he was slightly hard done by his spurs and a bit kind of jedspenced, like just decided he wasn't right for us. He's obviously not a bad player, um but we've got to sell him. Surely he's still got some value if we sell him to a Spanish club.
00:27:19
Scott Duke_Giles
I don't know whether he does have any value. That's what I worry about.
00:27:22
officialgspn
Do you not?
00:27:22
Scott Duke_Giles
I think i think in that rare very rarely does there's a player kind of, I mean, it was probably made abundantly clear to him that he wasn't going to be in the plans, I should think, or I think it was quite obvious.
00:27:33
Scott Duke_Giles
so He didn't feature at all in preseason or anything like that. Or if he did, it was very slight. I can't remember it anyway. um And I think, you know, someone would have come in for him. And he adds, there's a Brentford and United he was at, and I think they had mixed opinions of him.
00:27:48
Scott Duke_Giles
And as as I think Tottenham fans have mixed opinions of him, but sometimes I think they thought, oh, he looks quite good. He's quick. He can cross it sometimes. like he's not He's not like tremendously, he's not auree.
00:27:55
officialgspn
Yeah.
00:27:59
Scott Duke_Giles
He's not incompetent in the back of the pack. you know i He doesn't make loads of mistakes all the time.
00:28:02
officialgspn
Yeah.
00:28:04
Scott Duke_Giles
um But the fact is, he's often ah completely useless going forward, and he does make mistakes at the back sometimes. So I think that's as his problem.
00:28:15
Scott Duke_Giles
I would sell him, as you say.
00:28:16
officialgspn
ah Yeah, i think I think my opinion has been massively coloured by the fact that I had him in my football manager team. And also when Jose Mourinho gave him that giant ham for Christmas.
00:28:25
Scott Duke_Giles
it was it was ah It was a suckling pig. Yeah, it was a suckling pig.
00:28:27
officialgspn
There's a suckling pig, which is the an Iberian speciality, I believe.
00:28:28
Scott Duke_Giles
yeah
00:28:32
officialgspn
And there's that amazing folk where they're both posing with the suckling pig and it's like, but what do you do? Do you call an Uber and get that in the back?
00:28:39
Scott Duke_Giles
it wasn't It was a bit godfather, wasn't it, at that moment? um
00:28:42
officialgspn
but just It's just that's a present that becomes a problem. Because what on earth do you do with a suckling pig? You can't chuck it in the...
00:28:51
Scott Duke_Giles
i i could I couldn't put it in a curry, I don't think.
00:28:54
officialgspn
Yeah, i mean well I mean, that would feed the GSPN Christmas party. That's an extraordinary, get very Jose, very like in a yeah like, in a way, it's kind of like alpha mailing you by giving you a pig, which is a really confusing place to be. um Next up on the list, ah Captain Sung Hyung Min, contract up for renewal in 2025, what do you think, Scott?
00:29:20
Scott Duke_Giles
Oh, this is maybe you just said the phrase confusing place to be this is a confusing place to be for me because very rarely you kind of confronted by this thoughts to kind of um keep loan or sell son. I don't think it'd be loaned. That's for sure. um And I also I don't think you'll be sold.
00:29:40
Scott Duke_Giles
um ah it's remarkable going to like around the club shop these days where it's like a kind of son emporium and like you would kind of guess that would be it would be like that anyway because you know we search an iconic person slash you know brand let's be honest um and you know we we we we all love him the fans who come to like travel over to buy his merch love him there's nothing kind of inherently wrong with that but he does kind of make you think oh my god like selling him would be a You've got to think of a lot of things if you sell Son. But at the same time, it's um strange that he's on this list in a way, don't you think? As the captain, as someone who's contract's going to expire, despite someone who's cracking on as he is.
00:30:25
officialgspn
this is it. Daniel Levy will definitely be thinking about the financial implications. That being said, how lucrative does he kind of remain to be to that with that Korean market? Because he is a megastar over there. He's Justin Bieber plus David Beckham. like He is worshipped. He's an absolute icon. But how lucrative is he if he's not getting in the team? Because I suppose what the subtext here is,
00:30:50
officialgspn
he's probably in the last, well, probably to be honest, probably since, under, under post-acogloo. So since Andrew's come in, he has probably endured his longest sustained period of mediocre form um since his being bought originally.
00:31:03
Scott Duke_Giles
Mm. Mm hmm.
00:31:09
officialgspn
And people didn't really know for the first 18 months whether he was going to fit in. And then he kind of really clicked into gear and that was it for sort of four or five years. And he was just fantastic. um Yeah, i if if his form continues to be as patchy as it has been, I really regrettably say I don't see a place for him in the first 11. If we are do have aspirations of finishing in the top four and challenging on lots of different fronts to certainly go deep in competitions, then on current form, he's not good enough. He's obviously good enough as a player, but the way he's playing isn't. And if that stays consistent,
00:31:45
officialgspn
that's not because he's a bad player, that's just because his best is behind him. um And it would make logical sense to me then at that point to look to to cash in, um whether it kind of be Saudi or MLS or or whatever it might be.
00:31:58
Scott Duke_Giles
Yeah, I think I said to you a couple of weeks ago that that i think that I thought that was going to be the really big story in the kind of coming weeks that um if Son kind of kept playing and didn't score, he got injured as soon as I said that. So I feel like that story's been shelved a little bit. And also, it will be different now because he's been injured. And I'm going, oh, is Son not right because he's been injured? And I'm not saying he won't score. He could come back against Best Ham and a hat trick. And no one would be surprised.
00:32:25
Scott Duke_Giles
um But I think that is that is um I will reassert my point by saying I think that will be a story to come in the coming weeks.
00:32:34
officialgspn
And let's, we've got a couple more. One, we'll
Timo Werner's Performance Analysis
00:32:36
officialgspn
just do very, very quickly. I think we know the answer to this. um Pierre Mohovberg, he is contracted to spares, but I think Mosse have got an option to buy, so he will go um in the summer of 2025.
00:32:44
Scott Duke_Giles
Thanks.
00:32:46
officialgspn
The final one, Timo Werner. Werner's contract is up in 2025. I know what I think. and Scott, if you if you can make a case here, this will be your finest hour.
00:32:59
Scott Duke_Giles
Well, Joe, you've talked a lot about my curry, but you haven't you haven't even asked me who I'm cooking it for, and it's for the other two members of my throuple. For every charlatan and team I was sitting downstairs, they're hungry, and they're waiting for me to to get the ingredients.
00:33:14
officialgspn
Hungry for goals. yeah
00:33:17
Scott Duke_Giles
They're both hungry for gold and my lovely lamb, um which isn't a you which isn't a euphemism. so
00:33:22
officialgspn
ah
00:33:23
Scott Duke_Giles
um i I think that with the right love, I think Timo can come good. You've got to think about why they chose to keep it.
00:33:36
Scott Duke_Giles
and ah
00:33:37
officialgspn
I do think about this. but i do I do think about this.
00:33:41
Scott Duke_Giles
um And ah to be honest, so do I sometimes, um but he's um the the the fact remains that if you take away the attribute of his finishing, he's the perfect player for the system. ah he's he's he's absolutely And for andy because he stays wide, he's quick, he gets him behind.
00:33:58
Scott Duke_Giles
He occasionally crosses it and he sometimes if if he gets a chance to shoot, he'll shoot. Problem is, like the the last two bits of that he just doesn't do very well. and um i think you know if if you can I think there will be lots more Werner chat to be had and so he mustn't speak too soon.
00:34:16
Scott Duke_Giles
and I think he could he could conceivably, Joe, have an amazing month where he scores. He will just get a hat full of goals. and I think it could be the kind of thing with him and then he'll look really surprised when he scores.
00:34:26
officialgspn
yet
00:34:30
Scott Duke_Giles
I think it's way too soon.
00:34:30
officialgspn
hey
00:34:32
Scott Duke_Giles
It's way too soon.
00:34:32
officialgspn
yeah it will pan to a stadium full of fans going
00:34:37
officialgspn
but yeah
00:34:39
Scott Duke_Giles
um think is I think it's conceivable that he will, um in in like those later Europa League games, he'll absolutely tear it up.
00:34:46
officialgspn
Do you know what, right? Logically, I agree with you, because my my brain goes, when I watch it, I think, he must be in this team, because Foster Cogley thinks, if this guy can just, when he does everything, just then cross it, um mean don't even cross it, just square it, lay it off to somebody accurately, or finish one out of three of those one-on-ones, he suddenly becomes an incredible asset. That being said, if he carries on playing like he is at the moment for the rest of the season, he has to go for me.
00:35:15
Scott Duke_Giles
Mmm.
00:35:15
officialgspn
But I can see why he could be the perfect player for this system. It's just right now, he's he's just, every yeah, he can do everything but the stuff that actually matters.
00:35:29
Scott Duke_Giles
This is obviously a fun section, but I don't want to bring up anything.
00:35:29
officialgspn
ah
00:35:34
Scott Duke_Giles
This is a serious point. But you log on to social media now, and a lot of the vitriol that was directed at Johnson earlier in the season is now being directed at Werner.
00:35:44
Scott Duke_Giles
I don't know if you've been seeing caught drift of that. So it's important not to get on players' backs, or slash, obviously, not to
00:35:53
officialgspn
Yes.
00:35:57
Scott Duke_Giles
It's never okay to talk about anyone on social media and give anyone a hate on social media or anything. But here's the kind of story where you kind of listen to the radio and you listen to the podcast and you've got, oh, Vernon has loads of chances of them again, didn't he? And so, yeah, it's ah is it's an interesting thing to bear in mind. We shouldn't, you know, slag off players like that. and
00:36:16
officialgspn
i I agree with you. our Our job here is to analyze within the context of football matches.
00:36:21
Scott Duke_Giles
Of course.
00:36:21
officialgspn
I completely i completely agree with you.
00:36:22
Scott Duke_Giles
Yeah. Hmm.
00:36:24
officialgspn
um And I have nothing against Timo. I'm sure he's a smashing guy. He's just not doing it for me at Spurs right now. But that being said, if you can add that final important part of his game, then like like that guy said.
00:36:35
officialgspn
he would be god and suddenly we've just got a we've just got a german r9 and and world football better watch out um there you go keep playing cell i enjoyed that um right scott thank you very much i'm gonna let you go off and cook richie and timo their curry um
00:36:40
Scott Duke_Giles
Yeah.
00:36:51
Scott Duke_Giles
Thank you Joe.
00:36:52
officialgspn
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