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Episode 52: Celebrating One Year of Peak Pursuits!
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Welcome to Episode 52 of Peak Pursuits, your ultimate podcast for everything trail running in Australia. This episode is hosted by Sim Brick, Vlad Ixel, and Brodie Nankervis as we celebrate one year of sharing our journeys and chatting all things trail running in Aus!
In this episode hear how Vlad is feeling ahead of his first ultra in a few years at the Aus Short Trail Championships at Five Peaks this weekend, before Brodie updates us on his return to running and the ever changing plan for the year that comes with a return from injury. Sim then details how she is preparing for the start of her Sky Running season in Asia, and with some gnarly races coming up in 3 and 4 weeks it’s all about the Vert!
The team then answer listener questions about watch faces, the current stats of trail running worldwide and their favourite workouts before diving into a bit of a different type of questioning where you will get to hear about Vlad’s 80s music habit, Brodie's love of Fantasy books and who everyone would want to have dinner with.
Finishing up back on some of the usual with results from Jabulani Challenge and a well timed update from Billy Curtis in Japan!
Jabulani Challenge Results: https://www.racetecresults.com/results.aspx?CId=16253&RId=6257&EId=2
*** Don’t forget, use code PPP at https://bix-hydration.myshopify.com/en-au for 20% off Bix products, exclusive to PPP listeners!***
Thanks for tuning in to Peak Pursuits! Connect with us on Instagram @peakpursuits.pod to share your thoughts, questions, and your own trail stories. Until next time, keep hitting the trails and chasing those peak pursuits!
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Transcript
Podcast Anniversary Celebration
00:00:08
Speaker
Hello and welcome to episode 52 of the Peak Pursuits podcast. We have made it a whole year. We turn one today. So happy birthday. I'm joined by Vlad. How are we doing, Vlad?
00:00:21
Speaker
Hey, Sam. Yeah, can't believe it's been a full year. Yeah, nice nice to get that milestone ah compared to a lot of podcasts that don't make it. I've actually was looking at some podcasts the other day and was like, what's the next episode? And they're not publishing anymore. So um yeah, well done to us for sticking a full year.
00:00:40
Speaker
Yeah, yep. And someone who's been there from the very beginning as well, Brody Nankervis. How are we doing, Brody? Yeah, pretty good. um Doesn't feel like a whole year, but um yeah, I guess that means it's not too tiresome for us.
00:00:55
Speaker
Definitely feels like a whole year to me.
00:00:59
Speaker
I'm actually just amazed. I haven't been working hard enough, it seems. ah Sometimes. No, no, no, you're fine. um I'm actually just amazed that we've actually managed to get an episode out every single week for a whole year.
00:01:11
Speaker
I was sure at the beginning there was going to be some weeks where it just wouldn't happen. But we seem to have scraped together. a couple of times it was touch and go, but we scraped together every single week.
00:01:23
Speaker
Surely we have one of the biggest like locations of podcast recording to have any podcast. Oh, surely. Because think of at least five or six countries that are recorded from and same with you guys with all this travel that we've been doing.
00:01:39
Speaker
At least. And then also the number of times we're across like through everyone's and across three separate time zones, but international time zones, not just the smaller ones we get in Oz. Yeah, it's been a fun ride trying to navigate that.
00:01:53
Speaker
But thankfully not too many early mornings to get up to record from my memory, which is good. ah But, yeah, we we will go through a few fun one-year-on sort of questions later in this episode just for a bit of fun reminiscing of what the past year has been. And thank you for – I would love for anyone that has listened to every single episode and has, like, from the beginning, please message in because you are my favourite people.
00:02:20
Speaker
They are – I just – It would be cool to hear if anyone got on and listened to the very first episode and is still listening and enjoying it. So please, we would love to hear from you if you have.
00:02:31
Speaker
Comment on the Insta post for this one or send us a DM, whatever you're comfortable with. We'd
Vlad's Ultra Marathon Preparation
00:02:37
Speaker
love to hear from you and you are the real MVP. um But we're going to keep this episode fairly similar to most. um We do have a few couple of fun announcements for things that we're going to be coming up with the pod.
00:02:51
Speaker
But to get us started, I'm actually excited to hear Vlad, A, has the ankle and B, how are you feeling for your first ultra in a few years this weekend? Yeah, um ankle is okay. Like it feels like it's at that point that it just recovers fairly quickly. um So it feels okay. I probably will tape it this weekend just to kind of give it a bit of support.
00:03:15
Speaker
um But I like, yeah, I don't, I can't even remember my last ultra marathon, like full, like of ah over 50K. So I'm looking at about six I was going to say, didn't you do one last weekend?
00:03:27
Speaker
Yeah, no. like I always looked at ultra marathons like anything over 50k is an ultra marathon technically obviously anything over a marathon is an ultra marathon but um yeah that pain comes in a lot after that 50k um distance yeah so yeah I'm pretty excited you know this was always going to be a race that I just wanted to get um under my belt before I go into some longer races later on this year.
00:03:57
Speaker
And yeah, it's a perfect, I guess, race in a way that it's not too technical, not too hard, about 2000 meters of gain for the 60K, so hopefully not too slow.
00:04:09
Speaker
I did do a 50K two weeks ago um just because I was scared of the distance, to be honest. um But yeah. I love that the fact that you can say you're scared of the distance as someone that has done so many freaking hundred to 200 and something K races.
00:04:24
Speaker
Like what makes you still scared of the distance? Well, I guess because I haven't done one um probably in about seven or eight years. True, but you've got such a wealth of knowledge to actually get through it.
00:04:37
Speaker
Surely you've had some really bad experiences that you can then go, well, if I can get through that, I can get through this one. I think it's a bit different because my last kind of ultra marathon, I was coming in with a lot of volume and not much speed where now I'm actually coming in with a lot more speed and not much volume. So that's, I guess, where I'm a bit unsure. The last, obviously, the last five years has been a lot of two-hour races where you go hard, you go at threshold efforts straight away, where now I have to go a lot slower and maybe try and pick it up towards the end. Yeah.
00:05:09
Speaker
So yeah, kind of that different mentality. And yeah, I used to only do ultra marathons. Like there was a stage for a couple of good years where I would only do 50 plus K races.
00:05:21
Speaker
We all kind of changed, I guess, when COVID hit um and it's all been shorter races. Even before that, already started getting a bit burnt out from the distance and the racing. um But now, I guess, as I'm getting closer to...
00:05:34
Speaker
The final years of competitive running, it's it's kind of like something that I've been thinking about and some goals that I still want to tick off with the longer distances. So, yeah, this is going to be a step forward towards, um yeah, hopefully a few hundred k races in the next year, year and a half.
00:05:52
Speaker
Um, and yeah, no goals for this weekend. I just want to make it to the finish line. you know I've been talking about, about it in the pod that I've been trying to build up some distance. So not much of a taper.
00:06:04
Speaker
um you know, I was probably trying to do proper taper before UTA, but yeah, just want to get this one done and, um, continue training and building up that distance in my legs.
00:06:15
Speaker
Yeah, fair. But does I'm still slightly intrigued by this. Does the fear still come more from knowing that you can go fast, but you're just at the currently not sure how fast, so there's still just that risk of blowing up and it then hurts because it's longer?
00:06:32
Speaker
Is that sort of feeling? Yeah, exactly. yeah I feel like I can probably go fairly hard for three hours, but I don't know. if I can keep going after that. So I think my mindset is going to be tempo effort effect till about 30k or 30 or 40k and then see how I feel and hopefully have some legs to push a bit more at the end.
00:06:54
Speaker
If not, just kind of try and make it home. And, you know, as long as I'm not yeah going deep into the red zone, I should be okay. But, you know, we should have a race. Well, that's the interesting thing. I'm just thinking, of course, you can make the distance. When you say, I just want to make the distance, it's like everyone knows you can make the distance, but it's more...
00:07:12
Speaker
can you make the distance in sort of the time you want to make the distance or the effort yeah you want to make distance? Yeah, in an effort that I think that, you know, I should be doing it.
00:07:23
Speaker
Yeah, I think it's like, you know, when you do a two-hour race, you go deep into your threshold. Well, I was going deep into my threshold and then, you know, recover a bit on the downhills. But obviously for for a five-hour race, it's a lot different. So um yeah I'm just going to probably play it safe in the sense that,
00:07:41
Speaker
I'm to start a bit slower and then, yeah, hopefully just try to make it. like What I'm thinking is kind of tempo effort it um and then, yeah, trying to hold on.
00:07:54
Speaker
So when you say also that you're not tapering much, what has the last week looked like in terms of mileage compared to your normal? And was there any runs a 40K run? Yeah.
00:08:04
Speaker
ah There was a back-to-back to 2h10 on Friday and then two hours ten on Saturday. um I did 2 hours yesterday but broken into 2 runs.
00:08:16
Speaker
So the whole week itself um was only one hundred and seventy k Well, not only 170K, but it was one hundred and seventy k which is late is a solid week, 14 hours of running. um yeah I think my biggest technically just running week since October when I was building up to um Asia Pacific Trail.
00:08:37
Speaker
um how much vert did you get over that 170? It was in a crazy amount. It was 3,717.
00:08:46
Speaker
Yeah, okay, nice. So solid. So that's, I think, like we were kind of talking on the pod in and the past few weeks that I think that I need to be hitting 13 to 14 hours of running a week with two to three key sessions a week.
00:09:00
Speaker
So that's been, yeah, the past four weeks. So literally straight after doing a double of kind of, like maybe I'm not as fit as what I need to be or i was before.
00:09:11
Speaker
um Let's increase the volume and that's been the last four weeks very steady at around 13 to 14 hours of running a week. actually took away some of the cycling because I just don't have time.
00:09:22
Speaker
um But yeah, I've been focusing on some lot a lot more a lot of more like 90 minute runs and um holding pace and holding effort so i do feel stronger i just feel like i need another three or four weeks of this um to kind of be fully fit for a 50k race but yeah and how much cycling are you still doing then so how many hours of cardio is that like if you've got 14 hours are still doing no that was 100 running that was 100 running that was a hundred percent yeah I've literally the last cycle was two weeks ago. So it's just hard to fit in when you try and run 13 times a week.
00:10:00
Speaker
um and work yeah I'm not sure like I kind of I remember like because when I was doing the triathlon um kind of like six months or a year of triathlons I got really strong on downhills because of all the cycling but back then I was doing five so five to seven hours a week um and yeah I don't know if there's much benefit doing one to two hours a week Yeah, yep.
00:10:28
Speaker
I get you. Other than maybe sometimes, and I actually don't do it much myself, but um I used to feel like just a one-hour ride was actually quite good for recovery.
00:10:40
Speaker
But then it was always on the sort of one day that I maybe wasn't doubling or something. So it's neither here nor there for whether that actually helps or not, I think.
00:10:52
Speaker
But... Yeah, you're not getting at that point, you're not getting much of a fitness gain. Yeah, and I think like, yeah, to be honest, like I might do a couple of more bigger running weeks before I start adding in some cycling maybe.
00:11:04
Speaker
um But I've just, yeah, I just feel like, I feel like, yeah, a bit stronger when I do put in that volume and effort in. um And that effort is not just the key sessions.
00:11:16
Speaker
It's more about, for me anyway, it's holding that, higher zone two um effort for, you know, 60 minutes nonstop, 90 minutes nonstop.
00:11:27
Speaker
um That's where I feel kind of strong. So yeah, I'm with you. Vlad, are you fueling in the 60 to 90 minute runs? Or are you just fueling when you go longer?
00:11:38
Speaker
I literally did an hour 20 yesterday and I had two gels. So I've been fueling very heavily this time. And it does pay off because I feel a lot fresher than before. Like I remember doing big wigs in the past and kind of waking up feeling sore.
00:11:55
Speaker
Definitely don't have that feeling anymore. And I kind of started thinking maybe I should go ah bit more to kind of get to the point where I am a bit more sore because obviously when you are sore, you see see You know, something is working, you're improving something, you're putting your body under and uncomfortable positions. So it's um it's a bit sore.
00:12:14
Speaker
But I haven't felt sore for ah for a long time. And that's where I think we talked about a few weeks ago that maybe I felt like I wasn't doing enough. um But yeah, I've been fueling. think that's part and parcel with the extra fueling though. That's why people are loving it and doing more of it. Like you don't get as sore. Like you're just genuinely never going to get quite as sore.
00:12:35
Speaker
Yeah, but that's what that's when I started questioning, should I be doing then 16 hours of running a week? um But then this is literally a conversation I was having with myself on the run this morning because I was like, wow, don't feel bad after a 14-hour week um this morning when I did like an easy 12K run.
00:12:53
Speaker
um And I was thinking maybe I should do a little bit more, but then ah do want to put in a base of few good weeks at 14 hours or 13, 14 hours before you kind of go, all right, well, let's experiment with 16.
00:13:06
Speaker
Yeah, consistency before a peak and trough. Yeah. Yeah. I think probably what's important to note is you've been running for so many, many years, so you can sort of play around with experimenting on yourself, but maybe that's not...
00:13:21
Speaker
We're not using this as general advice to the public that they should be no should be having a crack at doing 14-hour weeks because I think like that what's allowing you to do this is your years and years and years and years ah of training and strength work and cycling and all that base is now allowing you to sort of be a bit more experimental and yeah, and it sounds like you sort of going about it the right way in terms of yeah I would definitely wouldn't sort of jump straight up but like stick at this for a little bit and then see how that goes because you don't want to you don't want to find out in four weeks that the jump was too much.
00:13:54
Speaker
Yeah exactly and I think like you know we talked about this conversation the three of us probably about two months ago when I was going like you know i've never been injured maybe I'm not doing enough um And yeah, i feel like, you know, years of training also means that I need to find new ways to stimulate my body a bit more.
00:14:12
Speaker
um yeah You know, five years ago, 170K would have been perfect for for improving fitness. Maybe now it's not. um But I do need to give it a bit more time, so a couple more weeks. you want to feel a little sore, just ah come to the heavy liphe heavyavy lifting side of the side of the realm and you'll feel sore, I promise. That was me this week getting back in the gym.
00:14:34
Speaker
it ah It certainly makes the runs a bit more painful if you jump on the heavy lifting bandwagon. Yeah, no, so I do lift, like I do weighted step ups and basic squats, but yeah. I'm talking heavy, heavy. Yeah, so I'm 10 kilograms.
00:14:50
Speaker
Yeah. yeah But that ain't going to make you sore, not with your strength already. Yeah, but then again, like I'm seeing a lot of the track people in my group, they do lift quite heavy and still get a fair amount of injuries like.
00:15:05
Speaker
um So yeah. Yeah, think it's, yeah, semi-individual to a degree for sure. There's definitely benefits to it. Like obviously a lot of elite athletes do it, but there's some...
00:15:17
Speaker
like Elisa don't really lift that heavy as well. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, it's pretty Anyways, I'm just saying, if you want to feel some soreness, go do some four by five reps. And maybe you shouldn't feel soreness. If I was you, Vlad, I wouldn't be complaining about not feeling sore.
00:15:33
Speaker
I'd love to pop out a a week without having any soreness. That sounds like maybe, I think you're just a unicorn. No, that's always been a unicorn now now I remember doing like big wicks like this and being super sore, like waking up and like the first 20 minutes of walking was painful.
00:15:51
Speaker
um Oh, yeah. But yeah, just have to wait till i'm a bit older and then I'll be fine. Yeah, exactly. yeah you need you need some old man strength in you, Brody.
00:16:01
Speaker
Fantastic. I'll wait on that. um One more question, Vlad, before we move on. what's your um What's your shoe of choice? I've seen for the next weekend, I've seen you do a few different sessions in different shoes and and whatnot. And and we I was listening to the podcast last week. You were talking a little bit about shoes. Do you have a plan for what you're going to wear Adelaide?
00:16:22
Speaker
Yeah. So we talked last week about those Las Sportivas. um Yeah. Pogios Pros or whatever they're called. I did you get a pair of them. Pradigo? Pradigo? Pradigo or something. Yeah.
00:16:35
Speaker
Yeah. yeah Pradigo Pros. I did get a pair of them. um And they're actually really, really good. I like them. They're not as bouncy as the Adidas. So I might still race in the Adidas because, yeah, just a nicer ride. It's a little bit less stable, but it's a way quicker shoe. Yeah.
00:16:54
Speaker
But and maybe the Five Peaks course isn't too technical. It's not, no. Yeah, I mean, from the yes Sim was saying it's not too technical. A few people said it's only the first uphill that is a bit technical and after that it's not that bad.
00:17:07
Speaker
um So actually I think La Sportiva... I mean, is it's is definitely on the right track to create a really good shoe because that shoe is super stable. It's not as bouncy, but it's super stable um on for that stack height.
00:17:23
Speaker
But I don't feel like you get that kind of like bounciness in it. um So i was thinking about racing in it, but... At this point, I've put a lot of Ks in that pair of Adidas that I got in January and feels pretty stable. I've taken on some technical runs this week and it felt good.
00:17:42
Speaker
So I'll probably race in that. But then UTA, you know I'll see how things go this weekend and then maybe for UTA, go for a more supportive shoe. um Yeah, cool.
00:17:53
Speaker
I mean, UTA is a little bit more technical. Maybe just strap your ankles just in case as well. Yeah, no. I'm definitely going to strap them.
00:18:04
Speaker
They feel strong. Like, it's still a bit swollen, but they still feel strong. Like, ah but like I've been jumping a lot. It's like single-legged jumps. um No pain at all. So they're probably just a bit wobbly at this point.
00:18:17
Speaker
Yeah, I think every time you do it, it just gets a little bit weaker. But hopefully, you strap them, wear the right shoes, you'll be good. Good luck for
Brody's Recovery Journey
00:18:24
Speaker
the weekend. be right. Thank you. Brodie, how's your week been? I see that you've actually, you're getting back into some good runs, semi, well, I say good runs.
00:18:32
Speaker
Saw, what was it, an 8K around the trails? Yeah, it's hard to follow Vlad with, if we're talking distance. Yeah. but um Yeah, no, it was a good week. I've been reflecting on,
00:18:44
Speaker
the last few weeks I'm having a chat with Lockie tomorrow morning about sort of next steps and where I'm at and whatnot. And yeah, it's been, i think in general, my return to running has been slower than what I was hoping it would be.
00:18:56
Speaker
um But then again, I had three months off not running and the tendon does take a little while to sort of get used to it again. And and I also put it through the absolute ringer last year. So yeah I'm pretty happy, fairly content. I don't know, it's a bit of a rollercoaster. There's days where I'm like,
00:19:12
Speaker
far out and then there's days where I'm like no it's all good um so it's still a bit of up and down but yeah the last three weeks I've done roughly four hours of running and roughly 50k um with a slow progression to being more outside not on the suspension treadmill um so I think that's been pretty good I haven't sort of tried to jump up um the distance too quickly, I'm sort of trying to progress by going more runs outside because when it's in a more like obviously suspension treadmill takes some weight off and then I've done a few on just the normal treadmill is just a little bit less variability. So um the tendon seems to have sort of handle it a little bit better.
00:19:58
Speaker
um But yeah, in this last week I did, I think, yeah, one one run on the treadmill. after a run outside on the Sunday after Buffalo.
00:20:10
Speaker
and then um ah did one I did a session on the suspension treadmill um and then I did two sort of outdoor runs doing orienteering on Friday and Saturday.
00:20:22
Speaker
back to back which went better than the last time I did back to back outside runs. So yeah it's good. It's slow, but it's it's good. And um this week i was able to sort of figure out my logistics of working and whatnot a bit better to get a little bit more cycling in. So I did 10 hours of cycling as well so that was pretty good because in the big weeks of cycling I was doing sort of 15 16 hours so getting 10 in plus four hours of running I think is probably a bit of an equivalentish week if not even a little bit more so yeah pretty happy with the load and like this morning I went for an easy run and felt like I needed an easy day like my legs are a bit tired so um
00:21:06
Speaker
yeah Overall, I think it's going going well. I've still got a long way to go. and Like I said, it's slower than what I was hoping, so I'm having to relook at some bits and pieces, which is why I'm chatting with Lockie tomorrow to figure out what what is feasible and And what are we what are we focusing on?
00:21:24
Speaker
um But yeah, I'm still doing the regimented gym stuff and that's progressing still slowly, which is really nice. um So yeah, I'm feeling pretty positive overall, but I think I'm not going to be, my my general feeling now is I'm not going to be running normally, like a normal amount until probably the second half of the year is sort of where I'm thinking and we'll just see.
00:21:49
Speaker
and It's too hard to predict exactly where. So there's a few things that I won't confirm yet. I'd be better for you anyway long-term. Like it just, if you think if you really think like next year, what will there be? There'll be Asia Pacific sort of thing, something like that.
00:22:05
Speaker
Like there's, because in it can be really hard mentally to go to almost forego mentally almost a year in a way, but you can still get a lot out of the end of a year and the end of a season.
00:22:17
Speaker
But if you think about where you want to be, next year and the consistency that if you get back to just pure consistency for a while, where that puts you in 18 months, two years time compared to some more up and down, up and down, up and down.
00:22:32
Speaker
Like, going to be so much better off. so Definitely. Yeah, and I haven't really had a year like this where I've missed. And that's not actually saying I'll miss anything. Like, potentially I can still do a race in late September and be fine.
00:22:46
Speaker
um Yeah, well, that was essentially me last year. I didn't race until the end of the year. But, yeah, I'm going to make decisions based on my body and not reach for stuff like I did last year. um So, yeah, it's a frustratingly slow, but... ah I'm getting there with time and I think it'll be and'll be positive in the longer term.
00:23:07
Speaker
um yeah Especially I'm starting to feel like my tendon's in a better place than it was like even when I was running 100Ks. It's just that I can't run 100Ks.
00:23:19
Speaker
Like it it's it's actually better than when I was training really well in 2022 in terms of like what it can do, but it's just it can't do the running bit just yet. That's sort of how I'm trying to look at it and I think it's true.
00:23:32
Speaker
Like I think what I can do in the gym is... is pretty good at the moment. And and i also like very, like I'm a fairly optimistic person most of the time. um My feeling is that given how seriously I'm approaching this time, as well as like how regimented the strength and conditioning that I'm doing or the rehab that I'm doing is, is like once I sort of get back into a regular rhythm, maybe end of the year and I continue with doing some Achilles work,
00:24:00
Speaker
in the longer term I'm not going to have like another year where I lose to my Achilles. It might come up and bite me a little bit every now and then but I won't have a long-term issue with it if I'm sort of a bit more disciplined.
00:24:15
Speaker
So that's ah sort of that's what I'm trying to sort of focus in on. like ah It's not going to be a deterioration from here. It's like this is the the turning point to mean that I won't have this issue in my mid-30s, late-30s when I can tolerate 170Ks like Vlad.
00:24:29
Speaker
yeah yeah This is the path to get there, so so that's good. And I was just looking at your Strava and I do note that ah after I pulled you off on it, you have just stopped giving the gap pace on your suspension runs as opposed to giving the gap pace.
00:24:47
Speaker
Oh, i actually actually just didn't give it the other day because I'd done it the previous one. um I actually hadn't done that before but before we had the conversation. i only put it on the one previously to give myself an idea of what it was.
00:25:01
Speaker
So then it was in my head. So I just haven't bothered to comment on it again. um So yeah, anything I put on my Strava is usually for myself. Um, cause I don't have another training log. Um, I'm not in any way trying to brag because even if my gap pace was correct, I was taking, doing it like 85% of body weight, which is a bit of a hack.
00:25:19
Speaker
So yeah I, in no way thought that that was really good, but yes, I have found a better gap pace calculator now. Thank you very much, Simone. Yeah, for context, there's just there's this one great adjusted pace calculator on the internet that um it it almost seems to be the first one that comes up on Google. Like if you Google it, I think it's the top hit or like it's, yeah, I think running writings. But I love it.
00:25:44
Speaker
If that was accurate, damn, I would absolutely love life. But it's just, it makes you think you can do, so well, it tells you you can do superhuman things. um I think it's accurate at the, more accurate, sorry, at the lower percentages. But as soon as you've put the percentages up really at the sort of 10 to 15%, then it starts to be seen fairly inaccurate. Yeah.
00:26:05
Speaker
Oh, like i think why I hadn't noticed it, I think, because I was doing like four to six percent. So I wasn't really like I wasn't being like, oh, that's way off. Whereas when I put in some of the ones that you were talking about, I was like, oh, wow, this is this is not right.
00:26:18
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Like my run today, I think it was like easy run, average heart rate in the 140s and it was 10Ks with a thousand gain. And just the pace I ran it, that one calculator running writings said my average gap pace was like 350s and the one I used said four forty s So big difference at the ah higher higher um higher gradients. And, yeah, I would love it if I could just randomly pump out the last 15 minutes at 3.30 on an easy run.
00:26:46
Speaker
That would be the life. um But anyways, it's, yeah, so just it I think the end of the conversation that me and Brodie had came up with the idea that there's just no perfect gap calculator because all of them, I'm pretty sure, just have some flaws.
00:27:01
Speaker
But go off heart rate and effort and you'll be right. Exactly, yeah. Effort is king, so don't stress yourself too much about that place. Do have calculator that you used, Vlad, ever, that you've ever sort of tried to get some numbers off?
00:27:17
Speaker
and Not really, no. Fair. Yeah, I mean, I look at the one on Strava um after the run, but like if I go with the chorus one that's on my screen when I do trail runs, um I'll be a world champ um because every time I go up, he goes, yeah, this is 310 or 258 or, yeah, some ridiculous pace. But I think the Strava one is... The Strava one's pretty good.
00:27:45
Speaker
Yeah, the Strava one is not that bad. And I think if they gave us their algorithm, isn' that'd be great. yeah like so I have actually looked it up. You can find it out, like what times your thing by.
00:27:57
Speaker
And that's why I like the the one that I use when I really want the information. Runworks seems to be the closest to Strava. um But it's also, when of all the ones you can look up onto the internet, it's the one that will tell you you're running the slowest.
00:28:09
Speaker
So no one probably wants to use it. Yeah. um It's the most demoralising one out of all of them but ah as far as I can tell, the most accurate when you actually look at heart rate and effort in comparison to what it tells you're doing because if I could run a 30-minute tempo at 3.05 per kilometre or three I think it's told me at one point I was running 255 pace for 10 minutes. It was great.
00:28:32
Speaker
Yeah. But, yeah, just the cons of some calculators online don't always they don't always work, not in real-life scenarios at least.
00:28:44
Speaker
um But yeah, it's good to see you getting back into it. And I do love that you are using the suspension treadmill. I rate those things for getting back into running, having used it quite a number of times for getting back from injury, like just to enable you to do so much more than you would be able to do otherwise.
00:28:59
Speaker
Yeah, no, it's been been a useful tool and I'll probably continue to use it for at least even when I start, but because at some point I'm going to have to start doing some sessions outside so that I can tolerate running fast outside, not just running fast.
00:29:13
Speaker
um which I sort of found out a little bit on the weekend with the orienteering I did um that I just, yeah, I found it hard. the The Achilles just like it wasn't even like painful per se, but it just felt like tight and a bit like uncoordinated at trying to sort of push enough force um to run fast.
00:29:32
Speaker
So, yeah, that'll feature a little bit um more. But, yeah, I can still see using it for at least some of the loading because it does um that sort of help me do a little bit more. Yeah.
00:29:43
Speaker
Good one. Good one. Well, yeah, we'll keep watching the rebuild. And yeah, a slow rebuild and a consistent rebuild is a good one. a very, very good one. Maybe for my two- year for our two-year anniversary, i I'll do a hundred and seventy k week I would love it if you're in the position to be able to do that. That'd be great. that That can be your, like, that's your number one goal for the next year, bro. Yeah, yeah. How much have you ever done in a week? Surely that that would be your highest. That would be that bracket. I've done 160 just because I wanted to do 100 mile a week once.
00:30:13
Speaker
um Yeah, fair. Yeah. But I haven't done, yeah, haven't I reckon it was like 160 pretty much dead on. So, yeah, I'll break that record next to the two-year anniversary. Well, if you didn't get to 161. you didn't get to 161. No, I think I did 161.
00:30:29
Speaker
I think I did. hate to break it to you. If you had stopped at 160, I'd be, you haven't done 100-mile week still. I'm going to say that I did. But anyway, I'm going to have to break that record to for the two-year anniversary, sir.
00:30:42
Speaker
good i got I got a guy in my running group that is a sub-30-minute 10K runner. um it's mag Actually, he's 14. for It's like 14.10 for a 5K.
00:30:55
Speaker
Yep. And he doesn't run more than one hundred k because he's like he's scared of getting injured. And every time he does, he's got like niggles and stuff. So he just goes up to 100K. And I was like, wow, if you can run 150K a week, you'll be smashing those PBs.
00:31:10
Speaker
um But, yeah, it's bit weird that he's literally is doing like a week and he's running that Yeah, but some people it just doesn't work to run more to get faster. Like I've definitely seen people like that where you try and give more and it actually just doesn't always translate as you think it would for all bodies.
00:31:29
Speaker
Or like they just get injured so often that they just go backwards anyway. I think one of the... And if they don't get injured, then surely going to like at least like 150 or 140K would have a lot of benefits.
00:31:43
Speaker
For most people, I would say yes, but then I've definitely seen some that without even injury, it's just they run better off less running mileage. Yeah, don't respond as much. Or or they they're sort of like quickly, there's less gains the more they do. So it's just, it's not worth it in the injury context.
00:32:01
Speaker
I know that, um I'm not sure exactly over the last few years, but I listened to a podcast with Scotty Hawker, maybe two, three, four years ago. And when he first, when he was doing, like when he did that really good result at UTMB, he was doing something like 80 to 100K weeks.
00:32:17
Speaker
Like he wasn't doing a huge, huge weeks. Yeah. So I've ran with him. i've I've trained with him and I ran with him a few times. He is like a f freak. is like Okay.
00:32:29
Speaker
No, literally like his heart rate is so low. There's a few runners that I know that like are just such good runners without even like off the couch kind of runners. He's one of them. Another one is like Moritz from Germany.
00:32:43
Speaker
Literally like hardly, well it trains a lot, but like not massive volume and but just like runs so quick and does so well of very little amount of like even key sessions and stuff.
00:32:54
Speaker
And it's just crazy low, like easy runs and parades like on 100. Yeah, yeah. Those are the sorts of people that um usually I love but also hate at the same time because they're often very nice people at the same time. But you go, excuse me, can I have some of that, please? because Yeah.
00:33:13
Speaker
Yeah, that is um that is, I suppose, I feel like I'm the opposite. i'm
Simone's Training Insights
00:33:18
Speaker
The more I run, the better I feel, hence why, um yeah, I suppose where I'm at in training is feeling like I'm just spending two weeks throwing everything at the wall and hoping it sticks. Yeah.
00:33:29
Speaker
I'm trying to get myself sort of back on track. We had a rough patch and then the last week, sort of up and down, up and down, but I also, i think I got...
00:33:40
Speaker
Strava's actually made it look a lot better than it is because i did four and a half hours. I wasn't moving the whole time. But Strava automatically, it's taken out like some of the static time, but it's taken out if you ask me too much. But anyways, by my calculations, I got like 14 and a half hours of running um last week, about 130
00:34:04
Speaker
6,200 gain, which is what I was kind of going for. I was actually going for 7,000, but I missed a run. um But essentially, this is me trying to get as much vert in last week and this coming week in preparation for the sky running races that are now only three and four weeks away. um And yeah, I suppose in there, I actually had a crack at, and I loved it. I have done this before actually, but I had one of my probably biggest days of training overall on the Tuesday because I'd done an hour uphill on the Monday. And then the Tuesday I did a track session in the morning, followed by a gym session, followed by an uphill treadmill hard session.
00:34:47
Speaker
So two double session in the day. Honestly, the gym was probably not the smartest idea. i was pretty freaking sore on Wednesday. But I absolutely loved doing two sessions um and I haven't been able to do it in a while now.
00:35:00
Speaker
But it's probably my favorite way to train. I feel like I'm just that person that give me some more and I will love it. um So um do it i will do that again this week. but now was Was those two sessions, were they all threshold efforts or did you actually go harder?
00:35:17
Speaker
um Oh, I definitely, if like had I been doing just one session, I would have gone harder. So obviously I did um change the um effort in a way. The morning session, I didn't do too long of a session because it was my first time doing this in this block. So the session was only...
00:35:37
Speaker
three by 800, 600, 400. So what's that like five Ks of work or so, um, or a bit under. So I was going to do four, then decided at the end of three sets, um, that that was enough for that day as a whole. Like it wasn't enough if I had had just been doing the session, but it was enough for that day as a whole.
00:35:57
Speaker
That was, um, like the, right the reps themselves felt very comfortable. Yes. Um, so ah wasn't pushing as hard as normal, but then the afternoon session I did do essentially to heart rate.
00:36:13
Speaker
So that one was, I was just aiming for 165 heart rate. So about from the last calculations I've got probably eight beats below threshold. Um, so felt very comfortable. Yes.
00:36:27
Speaker
Hiring, like, especially when you're doing all of that uphill on 15%, climb um at a like decent pace but I was paying attention to heart rate and um I actually managed to nail it in the way that my heart rate was a little low for the first couple of reps but by the last but by the longer reps in the second half my heart rate just stuck just got up to 165 pretty quick and kind of stayed there um which is what I was looking for so definitely yeah aiming for 165 like why are we why are we going to the threshold
00:36:59
Speaker
I know I can hold it comfortably. I don't know. I was erring on the side of going easier rather than harder. um I didn't want to be, and didn't want to risk going over threshold for sure. Yeah. um And it just felt like there is no science behind this. This is just my thinking of me going, I know i can hold 165 heart rate for all of these and recover fine.
00:37:20
Speaker
Yeah. And it's still i'm moving at a decent pace. It's probably about the heart rate I would want to be in the middle of a longer race. Yeah. I don't know.
00:37:31
Speaker
That so was my thinking. there was Yeah, no, it's it's um it' sort of like I've been consuming some content around sort of this say zone three or gray zone training that has previously been sort of more frowned upon um or not frowned upon but people avoid it um yeah they'll do zone two and then they'll skip to threshold and this i guess would probably sit in that sort of maybe high zone three low zone four for you um but yeah i found it very interesting to listen to because as they're talking like the stuff i've been listening to and steve magnus was one of the ones that particularly was talking about it um
00:38:09
Speaker
Is it like every stim like you're trying to stimulate fibers that have activated at different times, different intensities. So like we don't have to be as regimented in going, okay, well, it has to be this because like if you go a bit slower, then you're just going to do a little bit more of this. And if you go a little bit faster, you're going to do a little bit of more of that.
00:38:28
Speaker
So yeah. I think the going by feel is not a bad idea, especially if it's your sort of first double or one of your, not that you've never done a double session, but like you haven't done as much in the last few months.
00:38:40
Speaker
Yeah, and I think for me, when I think about that, I'm like, well, if I only train in zone two or zone four, but then I race the whole time in zone three, that doesn't yeah compute in my brain either. Yeah, exactly.
00:38:51
Speaker
In my brain, I'm like, I'm close. I think the conventional argument is that the mechanical effort is not worth what you would get physiologically, but that's just because they say that that Supposedly in zone three, you're getting less physiological and you're banging your body up. But like, particularly if you're doing it on an uphill treadmill, you're not going to be banging your body up.
00:39:12
Speaker
And like you said, that's where you sit in a race. Like if someone who's doing a three to four, a two to four hour race even, he's going to spend most of that time in zone three. That's what marathon pace is. So like it's it's it makes sense to train it. I just wanted to ask it as a talking point because I found it.
00:39:28
Speaker
Yeah, I like that. i think I think it's good not being too sort of regimented. Like I have to be in threshold and whatnot. I actually hate threshold workouts. I prefer to sit just below because I'm a bit of a wuss like that.
00:39:40
Speaker
But anyways. Probably because your body's good at it. Like you're good at zone three. Like that's one of your natural talents is you're good at zone three. so and And it's not a bad thing to train your strengths.
00:39:51
Speaker
yeah well that that was definitely what I was doing there. I think on that point as well I've been noticing a lot more runners are doing a lot less threshold um you know i feel like there is a lot of people that are doing a lot more steady runs I guess kind of zone free tempo efforts and then going a lot harder than what probably like a year or two ago when it was all about threshold and actually getting some good results with that so yeah it's definitely ah valid point. It's not all about threshold.
00:40:21
Speaker
Yeah, definitely. Definitely. And yeah, i find I just, I recover really well from these, which, yeah, didn't necessarily help on Wednesday. Wednesday was ah not necessarily a fun day, but um yeah, the week kind of I had a lot more planned for Wednesday and Thursday, but Thursday was meant to be another session. And genuinely, it just turned into a hike.
00:40:42
Speaker
I wasn't even running like I was meant to do. this Is this Wednesday? Is this Glasgow? wanted to ask you about So Wednesday was just an easy run and it was cut short.
00:40:53
Speaker
um It was meant to be 90 minutes, but it was cut short. And then the Thursday, i was meant to do hard up, easy down. And I was meant to go up Glasgow once, up Birthday Hill once,
00:41:05
Speaker
and up Ashes Track once on Mount Dandenong. um And I started running and within five minutes of running went up and hiked the whole thing.
00:41:16
Speaker
Like I ran tiny bit to the downhill, but it was just a day when my brain was not fun. Like I just, yeah, couldn't do it. And so I ended up, I was going to get four rounds done and I only got three rounds done in the time I would normally get four done. And it was just one of those days where I had to just go at the end.
00:41:33
Speaker
That wasn't what I wanted, but I got something out of maybe i don't know if I got anything out of it other than some more vert to make the week look a little better on that front but um yeah it was yeah what what questions did you have about that one Brodie I was asking because it looked like it was a ah tough day out. You did, what, it was a three hours a laps time?
00:41:56
Speaker
Yeah. Like you did a lot of it. This was another one where it makes it look faster. Like my moving time was hours. My moving time was like a one hour 52 that started. Then I looked at your Glasgow segment and I was like, ah, that doesn't compute.
00:42:11
Speaker
So I was like looking at it. I was so slow. i i haven't been that slow up Glasgow in a very long time. It was definitely, and there was physically nothing wrong. This is just, yeah, me mentally right now is up and down.
00:42:24
Speaker
And that was a down day. And it was honestly just one of the days where I went, all I achieved that day was driving to Mount Dandenong, hiking for three hours and driving home and going back to bed.
00:42:35
Speaker
Like it was just. Yeah, that that was sort of my question I was going to ask. it was it Do you feel like you've got anything out of it? and Or was it a day where you maybe should have been like, oh, I should have pulled the pin?
00:42:48
Speaker
like what Like what was your perception it? think at the end of the day it was good for me to do because I'm trying to keep some routine. um And at the end of the day I got out of the house.
00:42:59
Speaker
I enjoyed my time out there because I went that slow physically. Did it do anything for my week? Probably not. Not a huge amount at least. Like I still was doing some step-ups up Glasgow and those sorts of things. So kept me moving, but it was one of those ones that where at least I got to the end of the day rather than feeling like crap because I'd done absolutely nothing. I went, well, I did something, move on to tomorrow kind of deal, which I think does help you keep some routine going and keep you on to sort of the next day, keep some momentum.
00:43:27
Speaker
um yeah But, yeah, definitely one of those days as an athlete you have to just go, okay, today didn't happen, tomorrow we wake up and try again and sort of thing. um don't think it was that. I mean, for all your sky running races that you're going to do,
00:43:39
Speaker
um like um a bit of hiking is actually like probably a good training session probably yeah and when we and when we talk about training like the the previous conversation we were talking about training all muscle fibers or all zones like you've got a decent amount of probably zone zone one training like recruiting those really like slow twitch fibers that are like very Well, yeah, but you still need to train them. So like... True.
00:44:05
Speaker
To be fair, it's not bad. I'm also, my my thing is like you have the, being an athlete and and that being your main thing, you have the flexibility to actually just go out there and do that and it's not negative because like you had that three hours to do that anyway.
00:44:20
Speaker
Whereas like maybe someone who's a bit more time crunched, they might wake up in the morning and go, hey, actually, I'm not feeling good enough. It's not worth going because I've got these other things I need to do.
00:44:32
Speaker
yeah So I think for you, it's probably a good decision, but yeah it's interesting how that it's not always that wouldn't be the right decision for everyone. Not at all. No, i would never I would never ask a time poor person to do something along that because it's not worth it.
00:44:46
Speaker
But either way, um yeah, it took a bit, got my week back on track sort of by keeping that in there though. So we sort of, and it got the time up. Like it makes my time look better again. So I'm not sure I can count it as running time, but it was time on feet.
00:45:00
Speaker
um And then, yeah, the weekend was probably then what I refocused too because I had a double where I ran like, two I did 30Ks on the um Saturday and then Megasaw on the Sunday, which for anyone that doesn't know Megasaw, it's just kind of a route around Mount Dandenong, 28Ks, around 2,500 up and down for the 28Ks, but just over many smaller, like many 400 metre climbs kind of thing of what you can get at Mount Dandenong.
00:45:29
Speaker
it essentially zigzags up and down the mountain um and you go out and back by the same route. i have This is the second time in the past month I've tried to do Megasaw. The first time there was a fire at the bottom of the mountain so I couldn't get to the bottom of one of the descents.
00:45:43
Speaker
And this time there was bloody fire. There was a planned burn at the summit. So I missed the last 200 meters of the glut of the climb in the middle. So I still don't have a time on the bloody segment.
00:45:54
Speaker
um And so I haven't officially done it yet. um because I couldn't do the very middle. But anyways, I did add on at the end again to get my sort of 29Ks with 2,500 up and down, which actually felt strong and amazing and easy.
00:46:11
Speaker
But it's still one of the runs where I get to the end and I go, okay, in three weeks, I actually have to race that. you run it hard yeah yeah which that's a scary bit it's so scary it's so freaking scary yeah um so for context if anyone wants to like if you look at simone strava if you look at the map it's not really that obvious uh you have to go in and look at the elevation profile and then you can fully understand what this race is going to look like because it was like yeah the elevation profile for simone's sunday run was great it's just like a big zigzag it's like a it looks like a mountain range essentially it's
00:46:48
Speaker
Well, that's why it's called Megasore. It looks like a sawtooth. Yes, true. That's literally why it's called Megasore. That makes a lot of sense. But, yeah, we um I will do it again next weekend and just hope I can get the whole thing.
00:47:00
Speaker
um because But next weekend I'll do parts of it as session um and harder because i know I know I need the repeat up and down hard in my legs a little bit more before these races come up.
00:47:11
Speaker
But I've only got three weeks. So, well, I've only got one week of proper training left before I can need would need to taper. So we're cutting it fine, but we got we got a good week in and yeah, it was 6,000 something, only 800 less climb than I wanted, which is fine.
Training Tools and Preferences
00:47:30
Speaker
Nice, big week. It's one of my favourite weeks. I do like big weeks. um Awesome. Now, for this episode, we have had a few people send in some questions. Thank you to everyone that did and those that just messaged through to say congrats on the one year.
00:47:45
Speaker
ah That was very, very much appreciated. ah For the listener questions, we've got I've picked out three and um we'll chat through. For the first one, I think this one's a fairly quick one ah for us and that comes in from Heath and he's just asked, how do we set up our watches, like our watch faces for races versus training?
00:48:04
Speaker
if there's a difference. ah Vlad, same or different? Yeah, exactly the same. So what do you have on your watch? Heart rate, elevation, time and pace.
00:48:15
Speaker
And it also shows me the, obviously for a trail race, it shows me the effort pace, but yeah, I don't pay attention too much to that. embrace yeah and I kind of look at more at heart rate and time, I guess.
00:48:31
Speaker
Yeah. yeah It's exactly the same. A lot of info on one screen, four or five minutes. Yeah. Yeah. Now, Chorus divides it nicely, so it's not that bad.
00:48:42
Speaker
That's good. That's good. What about you, Brodie? Say more different training versus race. I'm pretty lazy that I haven't actually modified my screen. So I just flick through to the information that I want. I don't know if it's nice just to give me something like to do as well. Like in training, I just use whatever's on and like mostly I'm looking at heart rate, I guess, in training um and I'll just flick between the screens I want.
00:49:06
Speaker
The main thing I change on race day and sometimes it's the same in training um is I'll have the routine and when when I have the root routine, it gives me I can flick it to the map one if I want or the elevation profile one I actually use a little bit during races sometimes just so I can moderate effort a little bit.
00:49:25
Speaker
um So that would be the main difference. But sometimes I do that in training as well. Like I put the route in, I guess I would use it less so moderate F it and use it more just for interest.
00:49:37
Speaker
um But yeah, I don't set up the rate the watch faces. Maybe I should. um Okay. Well then apparently I'm the resident watch nerd because I have a different watch setting that like activity setting that is custom made for myself, depending on whether it's a flat session hill session, track session, ah easy run, and then race.
00:49:58
Speaker
You know what? that doesn't That doesn't surprise me at all. So, and it's essentially, I only ever want three pieces of information on any one screen because it's the most my brain can take in. And I always have it set that the most important one is the biggest.
00:50:14
Speaker
um So like for heel sessions, one at the the main screen I watch during heel sessions will just have a little bit at the top that has my vert, a little bit at the bottom that has my heart rate.
00:50:28
Speaker
and then no yeah a little bit the one that has my heart rate and then the time is the big one um because most often I'm doing my heel reps to time um if I'm doing them to distance the next screen will just have a slightly different configuration of the three where it has distance instead of the vert but anyways um The main thing I will say that I change, um like I've just always got whatever three pieces of information feel the most important for that session. Usually it'll be time, distance, heart rate or some configuration of those three.
00:51:02
Speaker
But um I do on races... have it go back to more simple, i'm i'd like the data screen, and I actually let have the four main sort of things where it has the vert, the time, like the time running, the distance and the heart rate all on the one screen because every single race I only ever have it on map screen.
00:51:25
Speaker
Like I have it on the blue line constantly and I actually never look at my watch unless I want to know I'm on track. um So I don't remember the last time actually. No, hard rate. I don't remember the last time I looked at any stat mid-race ever.
00:51:40
Speaker
um Not sure I ever have, to be fair. um I'm the person that just carried away. I personally keep an eye on hard rate, usually just to make sure that I'm not going too fast.
00:51:53
Speaker
But then again, yeah, obviously a lot comes to feel and what's happening in the race as well. Yeah, I think I'm just so much more comfortable going off my feel because I know that if I'm feeling good but look down and my heart rate says it's too high, I'll probably freak out. or And I don't want to sort of let that be a limiter where maybe that heart rate is fine on that day.
00:52:13
Speaker
I don't know. but That might be dumb. That might be like naive on that front. But at the same time, i just think the best races I've had, I've had no data, but how I feel.
00:52:24
Speaker
And i go I feel fine to push. So I'm going to push based on, and it's always obviously based on the distance left or the climb we're on. Um, But, yeah, I'm the person that races entirely to feel. So I'm just, I have all those, like i have a lot of little moments in races where I go, oh my gosh, when did I last see a marker?
00:52:42
Speaker
So the main thing I'm looking for is am I on the blue line? Yeah. Yeah, that actually makes a lot of sense because, um yeah, I think sometimes racing backfield makes the most sense. So sometimes I actually thought about it. Maybe I shouldn't even have my heart rate band on for races because it's like another thing to think about. And sometimes when you do feel good, you can push a little bit more.
00:53:06
Speaker
But, yeah, I guess if you're pretty used to just going by feel, it makes a lot of sense. Maybe I should also give it a try because I guess past two years it's all been a bit more focused on heart rate. I think it can take out a mental limiter because if you're looking down and you're going, I feel shocking but my heart rate's low, why do I feel shocking? Yeah. It might be giving you inaccurate data and then you're letting something that could possibly be inaccurate affect your race. Yeah.
00:53:31
Speaker
which in my head, I just don't want to take that chance. Like, yes, I do actually wear the heart rate strap. I just bought the armband one, which is quite useful because I love getting into the data after the race. But during the race, for me, the less external noise, the better, because I don't want to let something that isn't necessarily accurate dictate what I do in that moment.
00:53:51
Speaker
But that's just how I've always thought about it. And it can also play with your mind, right? Yeah, it can play with your mind for sure. you feel good but your heart rate is really high and you're like oh maybe i should really slow it down but it could be a little bit off and I think the last kind of bad experience I had it it was actually before Donna double not during the race but like the two days leading up to the race like the two easy runs that I did my heart rate was like a lot higher than usual then I'm like oh no what's going on maybe I'm getting sick or something but
00:54:22
Speaker
Yeah, then I was like, maybe I shouldn't even race with this heart rate monitor because I feel fine. Like, I don't feel like I am getting sick, but the heart rate was probably like 10 beats higher than usual or like eight, nine beats higher than usual. So, yeah, I just think maybe it's good kind of data to see after the race, but maybe during the race, it's probably...
00:54:41
Speaker
Yeah, that's my thoughts on it. yeah and Yeah, I think it depends on the personality but also their experience. Like the more experience you have, Simone's got like heaps of experience so she knows, her feel is really dialed in whereas someone who has less experience or may like benefit from having a bit more data to help them dial in a little bit.
00:55:03
Speaker
um but yeah Like personally, like I have a... tendency to be overconfident um that's very much my personality so actually having a mental limiter is probably a good thing sometimes so yeah and and i find my heart rate is like whilst i know that it can be affected by lots of different things like heat adrenaline like lots of attitude like lots of those different factors affect it I ah just use it as an extra bit of data to two sort of mesh in with my feel.
00:55:35
Speaker
um And I find that quite useful because I have a tendency to probably go too hard, um especially when I was stepping up to some longer races where I didn't want to blow up in the back half.
00:55:46
Speaker
yeah And I think we should mention that you do need like a heart rate strap or like an arm. Oh, yeah. like yeah reason now A lot of people kind of ask me about heart rate and it comes from their watch. And i'm like, yeah, probably wouldn't trust that.
00:56:00
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I don't, i visit any of my athletes, I don't look at their wrist heart rate. I'm like, I'm not um not dealing with heart rate data unless you have a chest or arm strap because it's just like, it's not worth it. Because, like, my personal experience with my watches is so off.
00:56:12
Speaker
Like, it is. Sometimes in easy runs, it's in the 190. Sometimes in a hard run, it's, like, 160. But then some days it's okay. Like, it's just so variable. Yeah, yeah. Because I just bought the arm one.
00:56:24
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No, the armband is pretty good. But I think like the wrist one, when you rest is actually not that off, like it's actually quite good. But during exercise, like you said, it's just like some days I see at 200 and some days I see it at 120 on like an easy run. So I don't trust it too much on the run. But the armband, I think like it's 99% of the time actually pretty accurate.
00:56:45
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Yeah, and I was going to say I've just bought the armband and for my own interest, I've actually tested it three times against the wrist. And I will say I've always thought my wrist one was if I wore it properly and, like, made sure I was wearing it properly, fairly accurate.
00:56:57
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And though all three times it's been one to two beats different between the two. So was quite impressed. So that's pretty good. But I know how to wear Yeah, wrist anatomy as well allows you to whether like how like I've really bony wrist. So I don't think the contact's that good on my wrist. Like the other day I was riding and it was like 193 and I was like, this is so easy. And it just wasn't dropping. And I was like, i ah it's just staying at 193 for like five minutes. I was like, I can't i can't get to that on the bike, one. And two, there's no way it's up there right now.
00:57:29
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. No, there's definitely times like that. But anyways, I hope that that has answered your question about watches. We've probably done a bit more of a deep dive into watches than anticipated, Heath. But um yeah, that gives their our three ah tactics on that one.
00:57:45
Speaker
And then I'm going to go to a question about our workouts. um And that comes in from Jim. And I like this one for... I'd be interested to hear both of yours, but Jim wants to know what are your favorite workouts?
00:58:00
Speaker
And then he also wants to know where we do them and where they fit in a training block. So do you have a standout workout that you like doing or type of workout? But then if you're going to say a type of workout, I also want an example. Vlad, what do you want what do you got?
00:58:16
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I think technically I like the uphill workouts more. um So i really like kind of like anything from one to five minute uphill efforts. um Yeah, because I feel like you can go by feel a little bit more than pace, obviously.
00:58:32
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um So I really like them. But then again, i actually really like basic workouts. So something like 20 times 400 meter on the track, which I don't do often, but actually really like those really basic workouts where it's the same distance and you just do a lot of repeats of them. I'm not a big fan of like 200, 400, 600, 800, whatever. Like, you know, i don't like those changes. I really like the same distance. You can really kind of dial in on the pace on the rest time on.
00:58:59
Speaker
like how simple the workout is and um yeah, just get a lot of reps of them. So do you have one workout though that you would return to in most training blocks that you like or no more varied than that?
00:59:13
Speaker
Yeah, i think it's a little bit varied and it's changed over times. if If I wasn't training with a group, then I'd be doing a lot a lot of one minute off, one minute on 15% incline on the treadmill.
00:59:26
Speaker
um That's a workout that i really like is 15 of them or 20 of them, one minute on, one minute off on 15% incline. um But yeah, if I had to choose my track workouts, they would all be like 400 to 800 meter repeats. Yeah.
00:59:40
Speaker
um made a repeat yeah I have a question on the 15 by one on one off at 15%. For the one off, are you jumping off to the side or are you actually scrubbing and speeding the treadmill? No, I'm standing on the sides because I'm trying to go VO2 max in this kind of a workout. so Yeah, yeah. i for Because I find one minute breaks on an uphill on a treadmill if you're trying to keep moving, it's just freaking annoying.
01:00:01
Speaker
No, by the time you change it down and change it back up, it's, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Cool. And cool. Brody, what about you? Favorite workout? I think my favorite, I probably most like to do threshold work.
01:00:15
Speaker
um And I think that's because I like, I think physiologically, that's where I'm quite strong. um So that I think that maybe I just attract myself to that, that area. And my favorite workout that I love doing um is five by six minutes with 90 seconds rest. i don't know why that one. It's just so much better than five-minute reps.
01:00:36
Speaker
I think maybe you have, slightly because you have slightly more rest, then my equivalent would be like six by five minutes with one-minute float. So it's like, it's the the percentage of rest is a bit higher. But yeah, I absolutely love that session. And it it always comes out to be around what, I think it's 36 minutes. So when I was doing,
01:00:58
Speaker
it frequently um like you do, yeah you usually like I'd get 10K every now and then. So it was just like, I don't know, it's just nice. But I love setting that for people as well.
01:01:10
Speaker
Like my athletes will know that that's like one of my favorite sessions. Nice. Nice. ah Well, yeah, for me, I'm going to say that my favourite workout is a six-hour long run, but workout. not a workout.
01:01:24
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. um Workouts. That's cheating, Simone. It is. It is. um I will say if I'm on the flat, I'm actually the only thing I want that I enjoy on the flat is a long tempo. Give me 15 to 20 Ks of tempo at around marathons.
01:01:39
Speaker
ish effort and that's my sort of favorite flat workout but um I haven't thankfully had to do anything like that in a long time that but um I do actually have one area and one workout it's not exactly the same workout every time but one place I return to for a similar workout in most race blocks and have been doing since 2018 Lyabird track and Bellevue track at Mount Dandenong, which is by the thousand steps for anyone that's in Vic.
01:02:09
Speaker
Lyabird is the, it's it's a 1k gravel climb with 200 meters. So it's exactly, it's 20% for a 1k. And then if you do a loop up Lyabird down Bellevue, it's 4ks with 270 and 270 down over four k um I always will have some form of workout on that loop in almost all blocks.
01:02:34
Speaker
um It will change. So for shorter distance, I'm going to say my favorite workout of all time, which is absolutely brutal, is ah workout I do that is bottom to top of the 1K. So this is all on 20% gradient. it is Tempo um to the top or threshold more so Threshold from the bottom to the top and take a 90 second break.
01:02:56
Speaker
And then it's a ladder. So eight it's hard down, hard up. um So I should say this is a down up workout and it's designed to get my legs used to sending a downhill, turning around, sending an uphill.
01:03:08
Speaker
And it is 60 seconds hard down, turn around, hard back to the top, take 60 seconds at the top, and then repeat that for 90 seconds, two minutes, two and a half minutes, three minutes.
01:03:19
Speaker
In that three minute, I will usually make it pretty much down to the bottom of the 1K. But then I go back up the ladder. So two and a half, two, 90, 60. And it usually works out at about twelve k um yeah 12k at 20 whatever that is but um it's a lot it takes a long bloody time because by the time i'm doing say that three minute downhill the uphill version of that hard three minute downhill is like eight minutes um So the amount of work is long.
01:03:51
Speaker
But anyways, it's essentially my favorite workout is anything that's going to make me run super hard down and then have to keep going hard, strap straight back up something.
01:04:03
Speaker
um So i will say i did I did one a couple of weeks ago there, but it was very different just because I'm doing a longer races. So it was more 2K, like it was the whole loop tempo, then 3 by 2K uphill, and then the whole loop tempo. So still 14Ks of work.
01:04:19
Speaker
where I got like 1,500 or so up and down. But they give me something that is going to make me really, really sore and that's kind of and go for a very long time and that's kind of my favourite.
01:04:31
Speaker
And I will say when I'm doing these big workouts, where it fits in a training block for me is almost always somewhere between the three to five weeks before a race. um I don't want to do it too close because I do often end up really sore and tired after these ones, but that's what they're designed for.
01:04:47
Speaker
but I do
Trail Running Community Growth
01:04:48
Speaker
want it sort of in that meat of a training block. So never too early, never too late kind of one. But that's the sadist in me that likes the hard stuff. and Cool, hopefully that answers the question.
01:05:01
Speaker
For Jim and then this one, this one's a bit of a discussion um that we're going to not spend too long on but I do think it's ah it's a fun little discussion, Vlad, that not too long was was aimed at you because I know that you can chat about this for a long time.
01:05:15
Speaker
And this question comes from Kim and she's said she would love to know more about the scope of trail running. And by that, I think she she's asked ah how big slash small is it?
01:05:27
Speaker
And I'm assuming this means in the scheme of the world. um And, um yeah, Vlad, I'm just going to throw it to you first because I know that you're going to have stuff to say on this one. I have, I will say, I have looked up stats.
01:05:40
Speaker
So I'm going to come back at you with some stats, um, in a second but what are your thought initial thoughts Vlad? I mean I think if you have a look at ah racing trail running racing calendar around the world or ITRA um racing calendar you would see how big the sport is and if you go to UTMB for that UTMB week in Chamonix sorry you'll see how big it is.
01:06:02
Speaker
I think like participation wise it's really big but obviously it's not a viewing kind of big yet um you don't really see people outside the sport not well maybe there are some but not too many people outside the sport that would kind of like tune in and watch five hour ultra marathons 10 hour ultra marathons um even though it's got that potential because of the views and the terrains we're just not there yet with the broadcasting um so i think a lot of people do it like a lot more than a lot of olympic sports for example like
01:06:36
Speaker
I'm sure there's more people trail running than diving or weightlifting, um like, you know, kind of professional weightlifting. um But yeah, it's, I guess, it's a tough sport to sit down and watch for a really long time.
01:06:50
Speaker
But they are trying to make it a bit more friendly, ah viewing friendly. But yeah, it's definitely growing very, very quickly. That's my short answer. I like it. I like it.
01:07:03
Speaker
Your thoughts, Brodie? Sorry. Trying to get my mic working again. What was that face? It's trying to get my mic working again. It turned off. Okay. You got this. Oh, no, now it's not working. Okay, I'm going to answer. Well, Brody figures out his mic.
01:07:19
Speaker
But I have done some looking into this just just to see some numbers, I suppose, and the most accurate numbers, well, the most recent numbers I can find, I will say, which is from like in some ITRA reports, is that there's a about...
01:07:32
Speaker
2 million trail runners and that is from a couple years ago now. um But there was also something that said that there was maybe a 231% growth in the last like five years.
01:07:43
Speaker
So huge growth ah when it comes to trail running. But then when you look at that just sheer number of 2 million, um which I think is just 2 million people that have raced around the world.
01:07:56
Speaker
Done a trail race that is associated with ITRA. I think so, yeah. So that's the revenue. So there'd be more, but let's say there's 2 million that have done that. Let's say there's 3 million, like because I don't think that there would be double that.
01:08:12
Speaker
When you think about how many races around the world are associated with There's lot of races that are associated with ITRA. So I think like even if you have a look at local races in Australia, right, like only half of them might be associated with it. I think that's less common in Europe though, more more associated with ITRA in Europe.
01:08:29
Speaker
But then the US, I think there'll be less. Yeah, true. and Okay. Well, yeah, let's go 2 to 4 million ah um or like over 2 million. But still, when you look at the numbers that I'm looking at when no surprises, football slash soccer is the most participated in sport, according to this list and says there's 265 million.
01:08:50
Speaker
according to a FIFA worldwide census. um Second, surprisingly on the list is, well, surprisingly to me, I don't know, just I wouldn't have thought of it, badminton at 220, and then field hockey, volleyball, basketball, all sports.
01:09:06
Speaker
the next three the highest as according to this ah individual sport is tennis with 60 million um which still 60 million versus even if we say 5 million um trail runners like it's it's very different numbers but that is because it is overall as far as I would think a newer sport, especially on the sort of um more mass participation and elite side of things, definitely on the elite side of things and um bringing people in that way.
01:09:40
Speaker
But, yeah, I think it's growing. That's the coolest thing. Is that tennis, is that 60 million people that actually compete in it or they just play on a regular basis? um That's a great question.
01:09:53
Speaker
Because I don't, like I mean, that's a big number of people playing tournaments. Like I don't think that that's, even if they play like their local club pennants, there is, it's hard to believe that there's, you know, tennis is is big in developed countries.
01:10:09
Speaker
So it's hard to believe that that's, yeah. an accurate number of people that race that sorry that play competitively so when itra comes up with you know 2 million of people that have done an itra race um there's a lot of people that are run off roads which I guess makes the trails um and they they don't race Yeah, but I suppose when you look at it as a sport, the sport side of things is actually the people that do participate in races. Like there's the participation in terms of just people that go for a run. But when you look at it, it's only going to grow as a sport more people engage in the organised sport side of things.
01:10:49
Speaker
And yeah, just did a quick Google and apparently according to the International Tennis Federation, there's actually 87 million people. And that's more, I think tennis is going to encompass more of just the participation because I think tennis is the sort of that you participate, you are part of the sport.
01:11:06
Speaker
Whereas we have this unique thing where you can participate in running without ever engaging with the sport at large, without ever engaging with a federation, a club, anything like that. yeah.
01:11:17
Speaker
The numbers in that way, yes, they're going to be different because when you look it up how many people around the world run, it's like 600 and something million. But not all those people engage with running as a sport and even a smaller number with it trail running as a sport. Yeah.
01:11:34
Speaker
yeah because When you look at it as an organised sport, we are small but mighty, I'm going to say. um But also I think one of the fastest growing participation sports and individual sports, especially ah around the world.
01:11:47
Speaker
We've all, I suppose, witnessed the growth just in Australia and just in um at the top end, but all the way down to just the participation in these events, how many of them sell out so quickly in those and those sorts things. So, Brodie, what what were your thoughts though now that you've got a mic fixed again?
01:12:03
Speaker
Yeah, and um it makes sense. Like a trail running is not a huge sport and those numbers sort of probably reflected where I thought it would be.
01:12:17
Speaker
um But like you said, there's people out there engaging with trails, whether they're running or hiking or doing it ah bit of both that aren't connected to the actual sport of trail running as well.
01:12:29
Speaker
Although I think, I don't know, my perception is that most people who see themselves as doing a bit of trail running have probably been to at least one event would be my guess. But again, whether we're capturing that data or not is another question.
01:12:43
Speaker
um yeah But yeah, in the broader sense, we sort of get caught up and be like, oh, trail running is massive and it's growing. It's not massive. It's actually pretty small. Even compared just running um is probably still a lot a lot bigger than trail running. But that means there's still lot of scope for growth, which is cool as well.
01:13:04
Speaker
But also it's so much bigger, like it doesn't, it's so much bigger than, than people still think even within Australia, like as someone that's, and all of us have traveled the world um doing some trail running.
01:13:16
Speaker
It is like, even though you say it's a smaller sport for sure, but at the same time, it feels huge when you go traveling and there's so many people at all these events and there's so many events to choose from and those sorts of things. So It is, yeah, I don't know. I think also it's an interesting thing to see that um I think one of the challenges of it be getting bigger and growing in terms of, I suppose, the support from yeah everything from government down to like local councils or those sorts of things does take people engaging with the sport as an organised entity, like the sort of stuff that ORTRA is trying to do with maybe having state federations and those sorts of things. Yeah.
01:13:58
Speaker
All of that is so much more organized in some of these, especially team sports, of course. And of course, all team sports are generally going to have more participation. It's just like you've got how many people on an AFL field at any one point in time, like that's going to make it so that there's more people that do it. You need more people to participate in the game. But the yeah getting people to engage with the sport as an organized um sport is a newer thing like we don't even have the infrastructure like the organizational infrastructure yet in the country that say tennis australia would have or even athletics australia or um all the tennis federations and all those sorts of things so on that front it's it's newer and it's smaller because it's newer i think
01:14:44
Speaker
Yeah. And I think like, we can also look at cycling a little bit, cause there'll be millions and millions of people that cycle, but would have never been in a race or any, um, like formal organized cycling.
01:14:57
Speaker
Um, and probably won't even know who won the tour the front that year or any of the years. Um, you know, so I think like trail running is a very small community, but very close community and You know, it's a very loyal community as well. So I guess a big percentage of people that do trail running a regular basis are also pretty deep in the sport. And i think that that's, you know, from brand side of point of view, it's a very good market to get into. And we see a lot of brands putting in a lot of money into that sport.
01:15:32
Speaker
and and And I think that also shows that they they believe that it's only going to get bigger and bigger because it's just so like so different and you can do it kind of anywhere and you can explore with it and you can connect to nature with it and you can race or you can not race like you know it's not about time and and distance it's more about being on the trails and yeah yeah I think it's only going to grow and we see a lot of road runners getting into trail running um so yeah it's a slow but a steady growth for the sport for sure
01:16:05
Speaker
Yeah, watch this space, definitely. And ah Kim, thank you for that question for that and hopefully that ah brief discussion answers some of your questions. By all means, send in a follow-up question if you have any other thoughts to add, questions about it.
01:16:19
Speaker
I will happily delve even deeper into any statistics if I can. but um But yeah, that's that's our listener questions for this week. And then I'm chucking something different at you two because it is our 52nd episode.
Podcast Reflections and Interests
01:16:32
Speaker
So I've got a few quickfire questions. Three related to the podcast and then three because I just want to get make sure listeners get to know us a bit more. So first question, yeah which quickfire. So try and I think that the first person that comes to your mind is probably actually the most memorable anyway, but I want to know your most memorable either guest or interviewer.
01:16:55
Speaker
Someone pipe up first. I can go. I liked mine are both fresh in mind for these questions, which is a bit of cheating, but Fraser Darcy was was really great to have on. I knew a bit about Fraser from reading his blog and whatnot, but it was, yeah, I really enjoyed that.
01:17:14
Speaker
Fair, fair. Vlad? I think Mike last week because, yeah, I was just surprised that he was from Perth and then he's obviously been doing so well and I never even knew about him before last week's episode. So, yeah, it was pretty cool to get to know him.
01:17:32
Speaker
Give him sec.
01:17:35
Speaker
Sorry, I was about to run out of battery.
01:17:39
Speaker
We got this. um Nice. Yeah, I will say that both of those are kind of cop-out answers because you haven't given any love to any of our early guests. You said quick answer.
01:17:51
Speaker
I gave you a quick answer. Yeah, but you went, they're just both so recent. um So it's, yeah, there's so many more people that we've had. I will say one of my personal highlights was um getting to do a podcast with Unders.
01:18:06
Speaker
That was fun um overseas when I was over in, where was it? Where was I at that point in time? Poland, I believe. and So yeah.
01:18:18
Speaker
Yeah, we've had some pretty cool people on from around, mostly around the country, obviously. But then I'm actually, and I should feel like I should give an Aussie ausie version. So I'm going to say my fave.
01:18:32
Speaker
Jeez, I actually should have thought about this before I gave it to you, but I'm trying to go back. I've actually just gone back on our um thing to have a look at who we've had on over the years.
01:18:42
Speaker
And it has been a lot. Sarah Ludoichi. I actually think. I always loved listening to Sarah on the pod. So shout out to Sarah. You did a whole series for us. I was going to say the road to South Korea or trail to South Korea. Sorry, I really enjoyed that whole episode. Yeah, true. The whole series. talking Talking about South Korea, it's a bit weird that they haven't really posted anything about the next Asia-Pacific trail champs, right?
01:19:10
Speaker
It's true. That's a complete side quest. We will ah find some more information on that for next week. but tight Let's table that for next week. Tabling that one. This is a quickfire round.
01:19:21
Speaker
ah Next on the quickfire, I just want to know if you guys have, and this is more for the main show, if you have a most memorable episode of like one of the ones we've done.
01:19:33
Speaker
ah You go, Brody. Oh, like I don't... yeah i feel I feel like I'm going to get attacked, but I really enjoyed last week's episode. It was one of my favourite episodes.
01:19:45
Speaker
yeah i think this week's episode out is the best way
01:19:51
Speaker
It was really good. I really enjoyed listening to Mikey about his race and also hearing about Vlad's training and Jess's race and how they're all chatting. Yeah, I enjoyed that. But one from a bit longer ago, whilst it was maybe more controversial, but I liked the UTA episode.
01:20:14
Speaker
yeah yep i'm with you and yeah like and any big race recap episodes are always probably the most fun i think my flatly my favorite was by by far was the one that we did in person sim um yep it's just so different when you do a podcast in person compared to like doing it um obviously in three different locations and three different time zones and so on um yeah but that was cool straight after the race we just got to like really raw emotions of that event, like literally three hours after finishing the race, we jumped on that podcast. So it was really, um, yeah, really fun.
01:20:50
Speaker
I actually listened back to that episode. I don't really listen to many episodes that I, that I'm on. Um, yeah but yeah, that one I did and I was like, wow, that's actually pretty good. Yeah, good. Yeah, I did. I did enjoy that one. And I'm also going to say that probably the one that comes to mind most for me, but just mostly because um ah suppose rather personal for me in that one, but it was having Tim on for the episode for myself um when we were doing just the intros way back when at the very beginning.
01:21:20
Speaker
um doing the intro to me with Tim there was was a lot of fun. He was, is I never know what's going to come out of that man's mouth. And for those, for context for those, this is my coach, Tim. He got on the podcast very early days, maybe second or third or fourth episode, but fun.
01:21:36
Speaker
Okay, next one. And that is... Biggest lesson of being on a pod or starting a pod, just the thing that surprised you the most, I'm going to say. it doesn't have to be a lesson, but just maybe something that surprised you all like didn't think was going to be the case for the last year.
01:21:52
Speaker
Brodie or Vlad, whoever's got something. I said at the start that it didn't feel like it had been a year, but it is a significant time contribution. And I also think like what we're doing, like if there's so much more that we could do is probably where my brain's at. Like we could do a lot more social media stuff and so on, so on. So I think that's probably my biggest takeaway is like it's not just recording for an hour every evening.
01:22:20
Speaker
Oh, sorry, not every evening, once a week. That would be a lot.
01:22:26
Speaker
Nope. That was a hard no. Yeah, I'm with you, Vlad. I think that that there's a lot more that goes into those episodes than I think i I realized. Like I think, you know, I listen to a lot of podcasts and you kind of think, yeah, it's pretty cool to just have new conversation. But behind the scenes, the messages during the week, like it all kind of adds up. And obviously like Sim has been doing all the editing pretty much, and that's another big chunk of work that goes into each episode. And like Brody was saying, there's still so much more that we could do. And I guess we've been doing the bare minimum, to be honest, and it's still a lot of work. and
01:23:06
Speaker
We survived though. We survived. We have survived. Yeah, I think that's definitely, I suppose, are getting into it, I guessed that it was going to be a lot of work, but I just maybe didn't think how many moving pieces there would be in terms of what we want to do Like I would love to be doing a bit more sort of not promo necessarily, but just social media stuff of pumping up more race results, more sort of other people's, um just even sharing more things on the day pod on the damn Instagram and um about the podcast. And as we've just started, thankfully, Brodie started making some of the reels of like what we're saying on the pod and those sorts of things.
01:23:43
Speaker
I think I've seen a lot of other podcasts do that and you don't recognize how many moving pieces there are behind that. um But yeah, definitely feels like a part-time job at this point. um I think the first definitely few months, it was like 10 hours a week in some ways to trying to get it sort of moving and off the ground. And maybe that's gone down to the sort of five, six, seven, 10 hours on a bad week.
01:24:06
Speaker
But um yeah, it's definitely become a bit of a part-time job and I love it. But it yeah, that's just always gonna, yeah you think you know what you're in for and then it's a surprise, but.
01:24:17
Speaker
It is good. I will say the other thing that surprised me is how quickly some of the people in the trail running circle got on board and actually came up and said thank you or their like even suggestions for the pod and how – Like how many people are willingly just jumping on board and like you ask them on as a guest and they go, yeah, yeah, love what you're doing. This is great. You're filling a hot spot that needs filling and is doing a good thing for the top end of the community, but the community as a whole trying to bring it all together and let people know what's going on out there. So
01:24:49
Speaker
um yeah we're not by any means getting it perfect all the time but we're doing our best so that was um that was cool okay so away from the podcast a little bit this is just a random get to know the hosts a little better for the one year on because I feel like I don't know you either of what either of you would answer to this and I want to know if you can look it up look it up if you already know what it would be what would be your most played song of the year so far
01:25:20
Speaker
I looked this up on my Apple Music. It does show you if you want it to see. I'm sure Spotify would too. you it on Spotify? Yeah, how do you on Apple? Surely you can do it on Spotify. Apple, you scroll down to replay.
01:25:31
Speaker
um If you're in the home page, you scroll all the way down and it'll have a replay section. um It's the very bottom thing and it says your top music. And then if you press replay 25, I'm assuming it's the first song on that list on that playlist.
01:25:46
Speaker
Oh, no, it's Modern Talking. What is that? yeah Well, if you obviously, if you were born in in the eighty s ah modern talking is like a German pop, like very, I guess, kind of Bexford boys,
01:26:07
Speaker
kind of Spice Girls equivalent of the 80s but they were German as well so Atlantis is calling the second one is Jetliner which is also from them um yeah wow I thought it would have love this because but then if I go down a tiny bit down the list I have a lot of Italian and and French Spanish music so I'm actually like a big fan of listening to music that I don't understand the words to Oh, cool.
01:26:36
Speaker
So I actually have a lot of old school Italian music, a little bit of Spanish and French. But, yeah, that surprised me. But then again, like I just i couldn just i can go on ah one song, repeat that for two hours and just kind of like, yeah.
01:26:52
Speaker
Fair. Background noise. I still, I like that. I've learned something about you that That's the whole point of that question. do believe that we don't know what talking No, don't know Modern Talking. Well, you've got to got a YouTube Cherry Cherry Lady. I will look them up.
01:27:05
Speaker
Cherry Cherry Lady. Cherry Cherry Lady. Okay. Modern Talking. They'll come up. Yeah. Okay. Awesome. Brody, have you found? I don't know how to find this. But I, yeah, who knows? Well, my Spotify has been quite mixed up by... um Laura listening to it. So she listens to bit of Taylor Swift and a bit of whatnot. So it messes up all my radio. like Oh, my yeah, sure.
01:27:31
Speaker
That's Laura, is it? Really? had pop-up mix the other day, a bit of Taylor Swift, bit of Katy Perry. It was great. The the AI was loving it. um But yeah, no, I don't i don't know many Taylor Swift songs.
01:27:41
Speaker
Probably the song I come back to a lot, I'm going to guess I've listened to it a lot this year, is called Sunshine by Triple One. I don't know why I like it so much, but I've listened to that probably a few times, I'm guessing, this year.
01:27:55
Speaker
Love it. Love it. um Nice. Well, mine is my top three are a very random mix, I feel like, but there's always going to be Bliss and Esso for whatever reason. Top one is Vacation by Bliss and Esso, but then Hipster by Timmy Trumpet.
01:28:14
Speaker
and which I love running to, one of the best running songs for me. And then Lil Boothang by Paul Russell, which if you haven't heard is very different to the other two. But anyways. We should put a poll up in our Instagram what people listen to. Is it like music from now? oh We could totally create a Peak Pursuit Spotify playlist.
01:28:38
Speaker
Or just kind of find out what people are listening to because there's no one that listens to like the 80s and no Surely not. Nah. Okay. we'll We'll try and make you feel less alone with a poll, Vlad. That's fine. We can do that for you. Vlad needs invalidation.
01:28:53
Speaker
I need invalidation on Taylor Swift. Sim, I don't think you realize how bad it is until you actually Google modern topics. it's been i look at current that'll be my homework yeah yeah i had a look at my 24 um most played songs went while you were just talking and there's a lot more like italian music there but yeah i can't believe that 25 was old i've just looked up images of them that is great their hair they have mullets it was that that is that is lovely awesome i love your work there vlad well i've learned something about the two of you so this is great now the next quick one
01:29:30
Speaker
Not going to be quick. I know it. But ah what book are you currently reading? If you're not into reading books, then tell me your TV series or something that you're watching. Vlad, do you into books or no?
01:29:41
Speaker
I am usually, but it's been a bit busy in the past few years. i haven't read too many books. But usually like ah like right now i'm watching the Movistar Cycling documentary, um the Cycling Team documentary, I think. It's like all in Spanish.
01:29:57
Speaker
um yeah three seasons of it. I love like sports documentaries, like any sport documentary. Yeah, I'm with you. That's very typical, but yeah, sure, I'm with you.
01:30:08
Speaker
And most of the books are great at biographies as well, like sports biographies or like, yeah, biographies. Fair. Brody? um Yeah, I read a little bit before bed pretty much every night. Like I got into a good habit of doing that over over years.
01:30:24
Speaker
um At the moment, I sort of don't like reading non-fiction. I only really read fiction. um Yep. And at the moment I'm reading Brian Sanderson.
01:30:36
Speaker
actually don't know what the exact book's called, but it's like in the series called The Way of Kings, which probably won't make much sense to anyone. But yeah, it's just some like fantasy fiction story. Nice. Good.
01:30:49
Speaker
Let's my head head quiet a little bit before bedtime, which is good for me. That's how I use it to sort of get a good night's sleep. Yeah, I like it. I like it. I'm the same in like that I like books that will take me away but also I can't deal with fantasy. It has to be like sort of fiction but real-life fiction. I was the person that hated Harry Potter, hated the Lord of the Rings, couldn't get through even the movies. Like I'm that person.
01:31:12
Speaker
but um Sucks for you. Yeah, it's fine by me. I actually couldn't tell you what happens in Harry Potter or the movies or anything. But anyways. Same boat here.
01:31:25
Speaker
Good. I'm not alone there. I'm currently reading Marion Keys is the author of the month this month. um I actually don't read physical books, but I listen to audio books very often. Like even when running, usually um I've almost always got an audio book going, but Marion Keys, she's Irish. Absolutely love it.
01:31:43
Speaker
And the Walsh family series. So the right most recent one, anybody out there is what I've got going, but yeah, there's a, some book recommendations for people. If you like fantasy or if you like just fiction um can you hear the then is it just me
01:32:02
Speaker
maybe this is the wrong podcast to talk about fantasy novels yeah true okay okay one last question for the both of you and this is just because i like hearing the people that it sort of influential for people And that is if you could have dinner with any three people, dead or alive, who are you going with?
01:32:20
Speaker
Three favourite sort of just people who you want to pick their brains or they've done cool things. Either of you got one for me already? Three is a lot. Okay, you can pick one.
01:32:31
Speaker
but Yeah, I think mine would change a lot. Like I'm very living in the moment. um So, yeah. Fair. At the moment, I would, I'm too much of, this just shows my running nerd, David Roach.
01:32:47
Speaker
That'd be cool. Fair. I'd pay that. just like be i just I just think he's to be interesting, dude. Honestly, I would have put bets on you saying something like David Roach, Killian Jornay and like, I don't know, Scott Durek or something like that. Yeah, I don't know.
01:33:03
Speaker
Killian's obviously the GOAT, but like, don't know. Would he be a good dinner guest? Yeah, I think so. I think like when he comes up, he would be. He would be. I can tell you now, yeah, he would be.
01:33:14
Speaker
And I think like da i would i would I wouldn't mind David Roach as well, but I feel like I've listened to him so much that I kind of know everything. Like not everything, but like. i've already had dinner with him. Yeah, it feels like he's really, really good work. Yeah, go for someone like you don't, they're they're like the enigma in your brain. They've done cool things, but that's that's where my brain goes to at least.
01:33:35
Speaker
But Vlad? Yeah, I'd have to say Killian, to be honest. That was that was my first kind of thing because it was, ah guess, like, especially when I just started a trail running, like there was so many videos about him and like so many movies and so many Salomon TV things about him. So was, you know, my first, well, first or second pair of shoes were a Salomon sense because of Killian, the first red ones, you know, red and white ones.
01:34:05
Speaker
and And I feel like, yeah, he's out there on social media and stuff like that. And I've met him. few times for like, you know, not a proper conversation, but like, hey, how are you going? Kind of um meetings.
01:34:17
Speaker
But I wouldn't mind like actually like, yeah, sitting down and having a proper, proper chat with him. Fair. I'll pay that. I was, I don't know. I didn't know where this could go, but both of you have probably gone the predictable route because so in my head, it's like pet sitting down for the most interesting people to talk dinner. I'm usually not going to pick a runner.
01:34:36
Speaker
Yeah. But that's just me. um So I'm going to say one for the ladies definitely, but this is um someone that I absolutely like idolised as a kid because I read all this these stories about her and that is Amelia Earhart.
01:34:52
Speaker
um Absolutely was, yeah, at a fangirl if she had been alive um at the time when I was younger. um and then i have in my head my favorite poet Mary Oliver that's another one who people mostly won't have heard of I'm going to assume but brilliant poet and then a more well-known one i would actually probably I don't know if he would be very interesting necessarily but someone like Alex Honnold is kind of that enigma to me where I'm like you just
01:35:25
Speaker
Being able to maybe pick your brain would be pretty cool. but if He had a good podcast with with Debo a few days ago. Oh, I did. Yeah, actually. I did see something. I've actually met him in one of the North Face summits thing. But again, yeah, I think you could, if you really like sit down and like he actually felt like he really opened up in that podcast. So if you have a chance to listen to that podcast, it's actually pretty Sounds like like it. Yeah.
01:35:52
Speaker
Nice. Cool. Well, that ends that little fun random thing I've chucked in here because i felt like it just felt like we should do something for the 50-second episode. I will say this is kind of the example.
01:36:04
Speaker
It just shows how different we are, even though we're all connected by the sport of trail running and our love to this sport outside of it. Yeah. Quite different. which is pretty Very much so. I actually, I wouldn't have pegged you as an 80s person for music, Vlad, so that's definitely
01:36:21
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changed my mind. ah No, I love it. This is
Trail Running Event Highlights
01:36:25
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great. um So, yeah, hopefully that's taught for people a little bit more about us and the people that are in your ears every week badgering at you.
01:36:32
Speaker
um Hopefully you enjoyed that. ah To get back on a little bit more ah normal podcast ending, we are There's one result that I'm quickly going to run through, and that came through from Javolani Challenge, which I think is in New South Wales.
01:36:51
Speaker
I really should that up. But ah there was a few people of note that um we've seen on other podiums before by Javolani. quite high up in the event and so in the 12k he was at national champs i believe but 12k was won by zbinek hannis and i'm again i think every time we say his name i think that we're probably screwing it up and we really should get in contact with him and ask how to do that but um On the men's side, the 12Ks, Binek was first, and then Finn Summers and Lachlan Byrne.
01:37:25
Speaker
In the women's, Nicole Burke, Jasmine was first, ah Jasmine Kerry second, and Hannah Veen third, and quite close, only a few minutes between first and third. In the 22, that was where David Houndsmith got out for a run.
01:37:39
Speaker
ah Now, David, if I remember correctly, is the one that came second at ETA 50 last year, Brodie. You know the stats. Yeah. Yeah, I'm pretty sure. And he was, um or I think he was first at Tarawara 50 last year. Tarawara, yep.
01:37:55
Speaker
Yeah, I think because it was him and Charlie, David won Tarawera and then Charlie won UTA. So they were going back and forth. So, ah yeah, da David won only by four minutes, which I'm going to say makes it a good run by I've actually looked up how to pronounce this name and I don't know if I'm going to get it right still.
01:38:15
Speaker
But Inigo Harikharov. Haregai Unanwe or Haregi. Anyways, Inigo Unanwe was second and Sam Hopper from ASICS was third in the 22. And then on the women's side, Alexandra Stanczak was first, Angela James second and Rachel Perrin third.
01:38:39
Speaker
ah In the 45K, just quickly, that was won by Andrew Nunn in 407. four hours and seven minutes second was alexander matthews four hours nine and third robbie nichols four hours 11 so nice and close racing there in the women's it was a bit more of a runaway win by georgie mcbride in four hours 44 and second melinda prados five hours 11 third alicia ralph five hours 23 twenty three those were the main Those were the results for the week that we could find. And then for what's coming up next week, there's the delirious west. Oh, I've got a few. I've got a few.
01:39:15
Speaker
Oh, of course. Sorry. Go. Breaking news. No, sorry. not breaking news. Well, breaking news is I just got a message from Billy Curtis saying he wanted to let us know that Australia got third in the combined discipline for the Sky-Snow Asia-Pacifics.
01:39:32
Speaker
That's the breaking news. What is this? What is this? So sky, snow is like this, ah I think you're running on snow. And I think the combined discipline is the uphill and then the uphill and downhill maybe together. Okay. And Billy ran, assume?
01:39:49
Speaker
Billy ran and Australia came third, ah Japan first, Mongolia second, then Australia. And he said, there's no need to mention how many teams there were. then Okay, cool. I was going to say, ah was there any other Australians other than Billy?
01:40:05
Speaker
I think it's just him. He said, my participation got us ah myber dispasion god us a bronze medal.
01:40:13
Speaker
Okay, cool. I absolutely love this. Thank you for that message, Billy, because that is great. There may have been someone else there. I'm sorry if there's someone in that team apart from Billy and I'm short-changed. Well, he should have included that in his message if there was. Yeah, possibly, yeah.
01:40:28
Speaker
And then the other small bit of news, I guess from the other week, ah Fraser Darcy did a half marathon in Clare. I don't think it's particularly quick. It looked like it had like 100 metres of climb.
01:40:40
Speaker
Wow. which is not heaps, but is a bit. He ran a PB and he came first and he ran 66.34. he's continuing on his... he's continuing on life streak of being very good at running and very good at trail running.
01:40:56
Speaker
Very pretty good at both. Master of all trades. Awesome. Thank you for that, Brodie. Yes, sorry, I forgot that are we were going to have, well, to be fair, the message from Billy's a surprise. So yeah we love that, Billy. Keep it coming.
01:41:08
Speaker
Keep it coming. Okay, so for what is coming up next week, there is the Delirious West 200-mile race over, I'm assuming that's in WA. Vlad, know anything about it?
01:41:19
Speaker
Yeah, a few of my friends are doing it. perfect. All the people that really, really like herding themselves ah in 200 mile races. That's great. um And ah back over in Vic, we've got Alpine Challenge and Run Tarabolga, both pretty cool events.
01:41:35
Speaker
ah And then Sydney's Backyard Ultra, which I believe is one of the ones that has a truckload of prize money, um which is always a bit of fun to see who rocks up there to try and get that.
01:41:45
Speaker
the Mount Solitary Ultra, and then, of course, ah we have our very own Vlad at the probably Premier Week ah event, hopefully, of the weekend, being the Oz Short Trail Championships at five peaks in WA. So um i was hoping to do a preview, couldn't quite get hands on the start list before recording, but ah we will do a very...
01:42:09
Speaker
big in south australia that big recap afterwards because obviously we'll get vlad's take on how his race went and then how the championships went as whole do you know anyone else that's running no no um yeah and same yeah i have a feeling lauren rooks running on the women's side but i don't know that 100 but i think she said that at buffalo That would make sense, being local.
01:42:36
Speaker
Yeah, she looks there. That's a big backup after Buffalo as well, though. But at the same time, Lauren's a beast. She she races a lot. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, it'll be interesting to see who else is on that start line then.
01:42:49
Speaker
But with that we will bring to you next week. So for now, thank you for listening to episode 52, our first birthday episode of the Peak Pursuits podcast.
01:43:00
Speaker
And if you have any questions, any feedback, anything that you want to contribute to the pod, by all means, our messages are open. We love hearing it all. And, yeah, otherwise, congrats on making it to the year, guys, and I'll speak you next week.
01:43:16
Speaker
See you, guys. you later.