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Speaker: What's he going to say? He's so funny. I can't wait to hear what he's going to say. um dude. It's not on on topic, but I did.
Speaker: i think I texted you, but i did go to a ah a stand-up comedy show in St. Louis. My old friend Adam K. Tin Holland, a Denver comic. I know if you ever heard him. Actually, you saw him at that show I went to you with.
Speaker: But I went to a stand-up show. It's like the first live show I've been to in forever. I guess I went with you, but that was those guys kind of do like a variety show when I went with you. But it was so just a straight-up stand-up show.
Speaker: And I was like,
Speaker: It's so weird, dude. Like, as Adam is really good, has like, actually you would, you should go see Adam sometime in Denver. You guys align on a lot of like political stuff and shit.
Speaker: But, um, you know, he's been doing it for 20 years, so he has a well-developed act, but there's some other people on the show that were real funny people. But I, I'm like, ah, God, it makes me want to throw up. Like it's so formulaic and, and just the the way you write a punchline often is terrible.
Speaker: And I'm only really, when I'm not even like criticizing them, I'm just thinking back to myself and I'm like, ugh, yuck, you know? Yeah, don't you have to do some of that to get normal people laughing like i've i've seen some comics that are a little too weird and it's hard to get the laughs because they're not following that formula i'm just saying people are dumb people are yeah i mean i'm sure in your genre like it's writing kind of like a hook or a catchy something like you know it's it you're like i have fuck you hear you hear like famous artists are like they want to throw up when they have to play their own songs again but
Speaker: but it is what it is, like making a hit. It's like writing a joke. Sometimes you have to make a joke. It has to be a joke, right? yeahp Yep, yep, yep. But it's so it's so funny, dude. Like nothing's changed. It's the same fucking, it's like the same girl, same guy, same black dude, like the girl who kind of could be kind of attractive, is wearing like New Balance and more of a, what you would call a dykey look, but like, you know, more like alternative.
Speaker: ah You know, it's all it's all the same people. They're just like a younger version. They're like the same people. it's It's very funny, but ah you know, like if you go and saw a band of 23 year olds, they probably all feel like the same kind of people that you saw when you're on the scene.
Speaker: Because they're the type of people that do that. but Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I did go backstage and the girl, one of the girls had, she had some funny shit. Apparently both her moms, she had two moms, something like that. Grew up in like a weird family.
Speaker: But i gave I gave her a tag. i was pretty proud of that. Did she blow you? No. She like, you old, shut up, you old fuck. Sometimes you're like, hey, i gotta I have a tag for your joke. Some people might be like, fuck you.
Speaker: not not yeah and It never happens, but people are just like, yeah, I don't take tags. Explain the tag explain a tag to the ah Our tag is like, I have a, I have a, like a line for you so that you can add a line to your joke. So you can tag it means like adding another laugh line, maybe like highline so you can be like, you know, uh, that's what she said. it be like, add that. That's a terrible line. But you know what i mean?
Speaker: Like I'm not rewriting her whole joke. It was just like literally the line that I told her was, uh, he's he's trapped with your fat ass grandma. With your fat ass was what I told her to add. Because she she had a joke about her grandma being anorexic.
Speaker: and And I was like, you should add that. You're fat ass. And actually when I said it there was like four or five people around and everyone busts out laughing. And I was like... Mentoring. God dang, dude. You do it all.
Speaker: It's a highlight of... Anyways, didn't mean to come out with four minutes of that. But in my life, it was very it was a a big event. Because I was just like sitting in the crowd going... I kind of went there maybe going, oh, should i do this again? And then when i left, I was like, yuck.
Speaker: What a terrible art form. But it but it was It was fun. Actually, the next day, dude, I flew through Denver and saw my parents. And for some reason, they didn't know I was a child, but my mom was like, so would you ever think about doing stand-up again since you're coming up here a lot?
Speaker: fucking threw my napkin on the table and stormed out of the restaurant. How dare you put pressure on me, mom. Here we fucking go again, Judy. Here we fucking go again.
Speaker: God damn, I'm sick of you, woman. ah I'm a little congested, fella. Yeah. Oh, boy. Just woke up that way, guy. you So do you get worried when you get when you get congestion? Are you like, this could be something worse? you mean like Could in life.
Speaker: Are you a hypochondriac? Yes, every time I'm congested, I think it's lung cancer.
Speaker: From that one time in 1993 when we decided to get a drum rolled tobacco and and smoke it. There's that. didn we There's that and then some fucking dipshit showed me how to smoke pot out of a pop can.
Speaker: Because I didn't have a pipe. and i mean you know Burning that aluminum, that I don't know. Yeah, you have lung cancer, bro. Fabricated aluminum, whatever, it is processed aluminum, i don't know.
Speaker: Let's cut the shit, Lance. Let's cut the shit. I'm dying right now. Weed out of a can is is pretty resourceful. There's been plenty of jokes about it, so I won't do it. But the with dope dopes smokers, when when it was a little more like risque, they were pretty fucking creative in there and their pursuits.
Speaker: Yeah, they were. let Let me check my sound, dude. I'm i'm getting, that my shit is hot. Yeah, you're echoey, like you're you're fucking Mussolini or something yelling at me.
Speaker: Oh, is that is that reference too highbrow for you, Lance?
Speaker: Yeah, just trying to figure out why this motherfucker. You think, does anyone out there know if I had an American Airlines Advantage account ever in my life? I know I had to have, right, guys?
Speaker: Yeah, look at that graphic equalizer that's got you. dial down huh I Boy. I wonder if anyone out there is from way back, the early days when we were doing ah when we were doing seniors and you would use to fuck spend the first 20 minutes of every show putting me down about my sound and not being ready for the show. And now look at this, dude. We've come full circle.
Speaker: I've got silky smooth, perfect graph graphic equalizer. I know, bud. Why yours looks fucking like what I would imagine. You know, ah a dictator from the 40s.
Speaker: Yeah. Fuck, dude. None of this is going on, dude. So you can make all your jokes. None of this is going on. This is going on. You always say that. It'll all be like, Matt, tell us about your dick problems. I won't put this in.
Speaker: and then but And then that's it. It's highlighted and it just becomes the star of the show. Speaking of dick problems, was scrolling through CNN liberal media and ah there was a so serial killer story.
Speaker: and And I guess the dude killed a bunch of couples. And when asked like why, it was like he had some power issues. A lot of it was around his micropenis.
Speaker: oh I just thought that was funny. Micro-cock I wonder it made him murder. I wonder what the what the measurements were on that They actually said they took a picture of it to you know validate what he was saying And in fact, that's what it was they said all right I'll fix this shit in post boy Mm-hmm So part of it sounds equity employment sounds like you're your cancer You're cold.
Speaker: like It's a little little more nasally for a Colorado accent. huh
Speaker: I don't know what's going on, dude. don't give fuck. I think you you get worked up around the holidays and then it's your immune system your immune system goes down a little bit because you're all fired up about the bullshit coming your way.
Speaker: Yeah, it's a good theory. I don't know. I was at a party thing and it was just a bunch of You know how it is. People sniffling and hugging and shit. Mobs of people. We're in this dance floor with just mobs of people, I'm sure.
Speaker: I got a little something there, dog. So do you go to do you go to and ah you go to like real concerts and shit, but do you ever go to like local shit or anything close to like what you guys were doing and then get some sort of feeling good or bad or like, man, I would do that.
Speaker: Like, would you ever go fucking Herman's? was it What was that? Herman's Hideaway? It's gone now. um No, I haven't, man. I haven't for a while.
Speaker: I'll go to open mics where, like, musicians will play, which, you know, I would not have done that back in the day. You don't do those now, ever? Sometimes. i' I mean, I'm just saying I'll go there, and I'm not impressed with what I hear.
Speaker: Because I'm a dick. No, they're just not... It's an open mic. So it's just all types of people. Most people want to do covers and, you know, most people are somewhere in their songwriting journey.
Speaker: i go I go hard on... Oh, you guys were great. Like, I'm i'm fucking... i can I'm just like, that was amazing. No, I see right through that shit.
Speaker: There's no doubt. Yeah, the are you like, you suck. Um... No, I don't do that, but I mean i know when somebody is intrigued by so by it, and they'll be very specific about what they liked. They'll be very specific, and then I'm like, okay.
Speaker: but I'm saying, do you do you talk to the acts? Do you ever go, hey, that was cool or not, or you just avoid them? Do you ever re seek out someone like, hey, that's pretty good, dude, a good song? or Yeah, an open mic, like a legit guy. This one guy was a real good songwriter that that was at the open mic.
Speaker: He was one of two guys. I was the other. Anyway, he he was good. And I said, Hey, man, that's good stuff. But other people I might just be like, Oh, my God, what energy you have, which is just basically a tear down.
Speaker: Might as well say, Wow, you're compensating for your shitty songwriting with that flair. You got some good stage presence. I'm not sure why some people get up on stage.
Speaker: I think what's more interesting is why the fuck, like if you go, it's probably like, ugh. ah But like, why do people go to open mics at all? Like to watch? Like people, like yeah I assume that everyone there has an interest in performing.
Speaker: Yeah. They don't. Or they're with someone. Like why would anyone go? Yeah, they don't. It's just like the people who are going to play and then their friends who want to see them play. And then there's the regulars that they, it's a their thing to come and play every week.
Speaker: and some Some of those over the years I've been to are better than others. Some are like a community of musicians who support each other. But it's not a great scene, at least for me.
Speaker: Comedy's, I don't know, comedy's probably a stronger community. The scene is great. i just it's just kind of It's such a ah scene. It's like, oh yeah, it is the same scene that it always was.
Speaker: It's the same people. like yeah It's interesting. But you can re relate on the bombing, the idea of bombing. That's like so super relatable. And you can relate on what hits and what doesn't.
Speaker: Songwriting is just a little bit more, in terms of its impact, it's just tough. like If somebody has like a really tight ballad in a minor key, you're not going to get huge cheers. But if it's dope,
Speaker: You know, it's dope. it's just It's just a different different vibe. And the problem with music is, like, there's so much probably great music that I absolutely hate.
Speaker: I'm like, ugh, I can't handle it. But they're probably, like, doing everything great. Right. Like, fucking, I don't know, Justin Bieber's band is probably the best ever, right?
Speaker: Like, the drummer and whatever. But it's not like I'm like, goddamn. If I was watching Biebs live, I wouldn't be like, okay, yeah. This my thing. I know. Yeah, there's some like really good jazz funk type acts that, you know, there are times where just like, can you just stick with that rhythm for 45 seconds, dude, so I can get into it. But they're always like pausing, riffing, modulating, they going off in different directions. And it's like, people like that, but not for me, fella.
Speaker: I want to keep it dumb and keep it simple. That's pretty funny. Last night I was watching the... It was Miles Davis live in Vienna or something like 19, early 70s, where I think he was already maybe doing little heroin and shit. And it was bizarre. After like 20 minutes, my kids are like, what the hell are you listening to?
Speaker: but it would just be like a random noise every like 30 seconds yeah and then they on like it was fucking nuts. But it's one of those things like jazz. and Do you feel like you're getting duped? It's like, Oh, this is amazing.
Speaker: And, uh, you're kind of like, is it, is it really? And it's like endless buildup too. You're like, it's about to, it's about to like turn ah roll into the song, dude, know, we were off the rails, but, uh,
Speaker: Go back and listen to some Sade and you'll you'll be always waiting for the song to turn. It's like four minutes of setup. You're like, oh, something's going to happen.
Speaker: But it never does. It so stays mellow. Yeah, the it doesn't have that like ebb and flow and what what do you call music? then i don't know. Tension. Yeah, and then it and then they release it. and then like Yeah.
Speaker: Which I guess is cool because it keeps you kind of going like, when's the song going to start? but but then it's over but jazz has that vibe well some jazz has that vibe I mean I like listening to straight up jazz I love it like old Miles Davis well I guess it's all old but like ah but yeah you're like if you were sitting like if you if you just went and saw a jazz show have you ever gone to Chipotlepec don't know if that's still there down there yeah towards yeah yeah that's like an uneasy feeling watching ah like a jazz jam session like you don't know
Speaker: If you can leave, you don't know if it started yet. You're just kind of sitting there like, I put two hours in. Are we good? Or what do I do? Like the show has never happened. It's never like, and nah, welcome the stage. It's like four guys just kind of show up and they start fucking around.
Speaker: I know. like I'm in a jazz show experience. What the hell? And my thing is, how do you differentiate who's like really good? Like, do you, okay, we're not deep musicians.
Speaker: or deep we don't We neither of us have a deep understanding of music, like actual writing music. But how do you know that Miles Davis is above everyone else? You. Well, I just think it's amazing.
Speaker: i don't I don't have any other way to like, don't have any other way. Okay. I'm sure. It's like the ear test. It's an ear test. Okay.
Speaker: i just I was just driving through the town that he was born in, Alton, Illinois. There's a big mural says the birth of cool Miles Davis. Where it's the whitest place in the world.
Speaker: so ah Was that a tag? Just adding in that fact? Is that what that was? You want a hammer on Miles Davis and I'm just telling you how how I go out and get mine. I go out and find where he was born, talk to the locals.
Speaker: get up in it. So you're saying that you listen to the birth of cool or whatever you're just like I don't it doesn't do anything for you. No I'm not saying I don't enjoy it I'm just curious in jazz specifically as a average person listening do you really know who's the great one?
Speaker: Yeah. Who is it? You have to be told is what I'm saying some some experts in jazz some real professionals have to tell you hey Miles stand stands above the rest. Yeah, I can't go in there. I'm like, if someone knew a lot about music, i would be like, wonder what they're getting at? Like, what are they hearing?
Speaker: You know what I mean? Like, you if you ever see someone playing the trumpet a lot of times, to me, it looks like a bass player that's just like playing the same, just bing, bing, bing, bing. minging bing bing bing bing Like, yeah'll they'll just be like playing a bing, bing, bing, you know?
Speaker: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, so I don't know. It's a good question. But what do you, I mean, what makes you like music more than another another thing? Just the sound? and the expression, the emotion.
Speaker: But you know I know like my wife has a hard time picking out bass lines and picking out different aspects of the music. So think most people are like that. Man, she cannot get her shit together, huh?
Speaker: Nope. Nope. So I'm just curious. Since jazz is so like, you know it is complex, it is there's a lot of imp improvisation. I'm curious what an average piece of shit like you thinks about or how you differentiate Well, I wonder if what I actually like, like and when I'm listening to an album of Miles Davis or... Is the other guy like? There's a few I like. Is it... a Not Herbie Hancock.
Speaker: This other guy who played with Miles. Anyway, the is it Thelonious? Fuck. Drawing a blank. Kenny G? Yeah, it's Kenny G, dude. There's one. There's a great one. Kenny G's probably...
Speaker: the most gifted musician ever, right? But we're we're over here being snarky and laughing when you say Kenny G. I think you're being sarcastic. he He's talented as shit. It's just he rocked that hair and that was his problem.
Speaker: You think that's it? Pretty much. And then he had a couple cheeseball songs, pop songs. But yeah do good for him. He probably still phil fills auditoriums in Vegas.
Speaker: So he's good to go. What's an auditorium? What I was going to say is maybe I like the form. Maybe i what I actually like, what I think I like jazz, but I like when it's recorded and it's put into a structured form.
Speaker: Yeah. So when I go out there at a small jazz club, but you know it's threatening. man Yeah. Well, let's shift, dude. I didn't know this intro would go 21 minutes.
Speaker: ah you know What are some of your top worries, top three worries in your life Right now. Right now. Everything right now is just like where I need to be and how I fit it into my life down here and up there. Costa Rica and St. Louis. And just like now, you know, when you add the you add some shit going on like the holidays and and then I'm like, fuck, what do I need to do? What do i need to be?
Speaker: Everything gets little more expensive, all that kind of crap. That's like my biggest worry right now. I've already gotten over any like financial worries. It's like, don't fucking care. um yeah Yeah. Parenting.
Speaker: So, okay, let's start with the scheduling and then we'll go to parenting. Sounds like your number two. All right. Counselor. But we know because we're analytical thinkers that the two are connected in a way, right? So but let's start with the back and forth.
Speaker: that' That is stressful, right? Like the cost of the flights, the time. Yeah. Well, i'm like, it's like, well i maybe you want everyone on every side to feel like you're giving it your all and you're available and no one's being like, oh, ah you're not here.
Speaker: I don't know. just It's just, I also have the idea, like, I should justify, like, when I'm up there, there's a pressure, like, I need to i need to i need to line up shit to do, people to meet, things to do, like,
Speaker: You know, a lot of times in your work life, you just kind of go to the office because that's where you go. And then you might have a project, you might not. And I'm like, when I go up there, I need to make sure that I've got a few people that I want to visit they want to visit. And that's like the stress of it.
Speaker: i And then I'm like, I don't know if there's anyone else i I really want to visit. Or is it worth going up there just to go to like the Home Builders Association Christmas party?
Speaker: I see. and So here you're the designated sales guy, it sounds like. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Got it. So, um yeah, so it's that that's my worry right now. And then, like, i have I probably want to take my son to Colorado, and I got to balance that out. I'd like to see, you know, I'd like get my daughter up there, too, but she's going on, like, a cruise or something like that.
Speaker: When you're coming out, maybe. Maybe. yeah where I got to talk to my wife about that, but maybe like end of the year, like first couple of weeks of January, something like that.
Speaker: Okay. Hopefully there's a game. Yeah. Go see Chuck. Yeah. That's, what that's what I'd like to do. It's of the main reasons I'm coming. Yeah, dude, do it. Has it, has that season popped yet?
Speaker: and It's the first game is December 3rd, I think. Oh shit. Don't contest tonight though. Oh, yeah? Can I get a reel on that?
Speaker: Yeah, we'll try to film it. what's he Does he already know what he's trying to do? He's trying to keep it within his wheelhouse, like, comfort-wise.
Speaker: So, like, a between the legs off the backboard, back scratcher thing that, you know, it's more about the style of the throw. And then a windmill and then a 360, I think, are his...
Speaker: What the fuck? If he does all that, is it like guaranteed win or is it and everybody's throwing this shit down now? No, I think this one's his to lose. i don't think anybody can do anything.
Speaker: Last year they had, you know, he was second place last year and he couldn't jump as high. Was it like a... It's gets the rival, Arapahoe High School. Oh, it's a two-school dunk contest?
Speaker: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. That's a great idea. It's a big event. They do everything. They do three-point contests. They do skills challenge. It's just a fundraiser, actually.
Speaker: Is it um is it i like friendly, like they're they're hanging out with the other team, or does it get all like super you know like super kind of rivalry, and they're getting each other's faces and stuff?
Speaker: Nah. mean, it they're all friends this year, but they know they know those dudes. but The fans certainly get insane, the students. I was playing in a staff game a couple years ago because I was, and some kid, I shot a three and some kid was like, fucking terrible, man. Like, dude, you're fucking 16. Shut the fuck up.
Speaker: Some student. That's awesome. I wish, ah yeah, I agree with that kid. take you down that's so funny dude well i would i mean i would like to see that i mean i could if i feel like it's like a wmba dunk contest where it's like high school suburban team where should just be like if some dude can donkey wins you're talking about 360s well that's just my kid i mean there's the other kids i think most of them will do at best they might throw it off the backboard and then he's doing this at but at um at six uh he's doing this at six four
Speaker: Yeah. Dude, that's that's crazy. Not really. I mean, he's doing 360 windmills? Fucking dope. He's doing a windmill. That's still dope. Full windmill? Kenny Skywalker?
Speaker: nice It's not Zion, bro.
Speaker: That's still impressive, dude. Yeah, no. I mean, look, how many people can actually dunk? Not many. Hmm. So where were we though on the worries? Because we got into that.
Speaker: You asked me when I'm coming up. So that's what we got there. we got there. But you're just showing up for everybody. Do you get pressure from your, what do you call partners? um Maybe a little. I mean, I've been doing pretty good.
Speaker: and they' And they've been happy with that. it's It's just now we're getting busy and we're we're in between that, like, so much revenue, you just start feeling put bodies in versus we're growing. and like So so why one partner is basically there at the shop all the time.
Speaker: And so there's like a little, i don't know if it's guilt creeping in or just like, but I'm also like, fuck it. My job is to sell and bury his ass, right? Like ruin his goddamn life so that our business is doing so good that that ah that we we have to make a decision on getting more people in there. so So he's focused on the product. He does the wood, the cutting and the, i mean, he's learned all that.
Speaker: yeah he's he's he brought some skills at the table already but yeah he so he's actually processing and everything these giant fucking slabs and and you know he's a he's he he could be doing a lot more like as well as far as business development and stuff but yeah but we're both i mean we're both talking and working and like around the clock every day the every day of the week You know, so it's just physically i I can't help them from down here. Even when I'm there, I'm not i mean not necessarily helping them that much because I'm out talking to people and stuff. But it's up but it's like, all right, I could move some shit around with him in the morning. He can do some work. We can game plan.
Speaker: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a little trickier. What about this so-called silent partner? He's doing anything? he doesn't He's trying to help where he can. He just doesn't have a lot of time. so But we we had it we talked to him We were kind of like, this is going to go. You might have to take a risk, come on board.
Speaker: But, ah you know, I think there's a good problem to have. Like a business is actually growing and going going good or going in the right direction. So it's it's all good. It's just, you know, you yeah. And you alluded to it on the last...
Speaker: Episode, I believe, ah starting a business as one of the principal people in another country is challenging. yeah But I think I got another year at this. I mean, i i my last trip was two weeks. I think there's there's probably got to be like a week for meetings, some weekends to pick up events and stuff like that and cover some weekends. And I'll probably be doing that for like a year, you know, like 10 to 14 day trips.
Speaker: And I can manage that. My kids, they they understand it. And now I'm here. I spend like a ton of real good time with them. And the the other question, the other thing on this side, I'm not that worried about this. You asked about what I'm worried about is like,
Speaker: becoming too much of a friend instead of a dad that makes sense because you're away then you come back it's like let's do something fun let's do something cool but then it's like yeah there was a little it's it turned out to be pretty good i would say but there was my daughter was at a party where there were adults there and shit but somebody was like it was a range of kids and somebody was like more making drinks and she tried like a rum and coke she's in eighth grade like a sip of it and i and i and her mom and her didn't tell me and i was like what the fuck and then she's like
Speaker: I didn't even drink. She's like, and the first thing I did was tell, tell my mom, I thought you'd be happy that I told you guys. I was like, well, that is awesome. Yeah. But I was also like, but you probably should have told me. She's like, what do you want me to call you up and be like, and I'm like, well, we talk every night. You have been like, oh, by the way, I was at a party.
Speaker: I had this drink. It was terrible. And i'm I'm not trying to drink. It was just, I don't know, we're all like, yeah, let's try it. So I was like, cool. But shit like that, you know, you're not around for it. So I had to slap her, you know.
Speaker: She deserves it. How dare she experiment with alcohol. Right. So I was i was like I'm not a fucking idiot. I'm like, I know there's, you're going to be like, there's going to be parties and all that crap. And that's cool. was like, to I was just like, to me, eighth grade is just too young.
Speaker: I was like, you never really hear anybody who started partying hard real early. Like it doesn't usually go well for them. So I was like, but she was like, yeah, I don't care. I'm not, I'm not trying to do that. It was just like, we were there and I was like, okay.
Speaker: Yeah, but a little bit of that, i don't think anybody, any kid usually that's normal wants to get wasted. But I snuck on alcohol and not onto the bus in the mornings to try to be cool in eighth grade.
Speaker: Yeah. seventh Seventh or eighth grade. I didn't know what I was doing.
Speaker: Yeah, but did you get housed? Were you like going to town or were you just like? It tastes like shit. You're in eighth grade. You take a sip and you're like, ugh. And you just pass it around so everybody's like, it's like a real, i don't know, it's exhilarating at that age to like take a sip of something like that because you don't know what's going happen.
Speaker: Yeah, she's like, well, it's just the culture. like And i was like, yeah, i know. i was like, I don't know. I mean, the kids are partying the U.S. too. I just, I think, I do think there might be a cultural thing, which is probably good, which is like they're not really making a big deal of it, which is kind of where I think we get in trouble in the US by making it 21 and like such a forbidden thing that it's just, you just want it more, you know?
Speaker: But I'm like, yeah yeah I just said, yeah, I get all that. I just, like think that eighth grade is a little young and she's kind of, yeah, i don't care. It's fine.
Speaker: So anyways, but stuff like that, you worry like, Oh, if I'm gone a lot, what, ah you know, usually find the people that have like problems, a lot of problems. I know you can make an argument. This is not the case, but a lot of times you might have an absent parent or stuff like that. so there's a little worry of that, like my creating issues, but they seem to be handling it well and things are going well.
Speaker: Besides my daughter getting fucking faded on, on one sip of rum and coke. I did read or listen to something where for divorce, for girls, or what you're talking about, not being around all the time, doesn't impact them as much.
Speaker: More for boys. More for boys. Yeah, I can see it. i mean, I can see the... I mean, my son, he's he's he's still like a kid, like ah maybe a late bloomer, but he's still like... You know, he saw me the other day, he's like, you know, you're awesome.
Speaker: So happy you're here. I was like, you're soft, dude. He said that to you? Yeah. I said, yeah, I had to get man to man on him.
Speaker: You're being soft, dude. Showing emotions. Not what we learned in the United States. Toughen up, bro. Well, good. He misses you, though. how but i Oh, yeah.
Speaker: Now he's on me, dude. Like on me, like up in my shit. Um, but yeah, so I mean, to the overall answer your question is like, am I creating any problems that you aren't necessarily like, oh, they're, they're shooting heroin, but like longterm, they're going to be like, ah, you were gone a lot. But, um, right now they're doing real well. and Their mom's definitely like part of the, you know, doing, doing helping, I should say. And, but that I do worry about that a little bit.
Speaker: Yeah. There you go. What about you, bro? what are you worried about? How about this comment? You'll figure it out.
Speaker: Will I, if the more I figure out the business, the more it's gonna, it's gonna be like, uh, the more it's gonna be like an issue probably yeah right but we'll see i i i think there's there's different things we can sell like online stuff to to create some revenue which you know anyways anywho buddy those are my worries though i don't i don't i mean am i worried about my health as much as the next guy but not like a super health worry i just try to live healthy
Speaker: trying to get plastic, like all plastics out of, out of the things I eat if I can. but Yeah. But I wouldn't say I'm super worried about it. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. but That's tough to control.
Speaker: what are you worried about, dude? I think I'm more hooked on and have been, as you know, for shit the whole time we've been doing this, the state of the world and how to absorb that. But you're going to decouple in a,
Speaker: It's just gotten in, you know, it's the, some of the shit that's gone down has made me just dislike family members more. Really have trouble interacting with them. And then ah the AI piece, because obviously I'm like consuming a lot of this, that that concerns me for the future of our kids.
Speaker: And I mean, I just get stuck in those places of predicting the future and trying to figure out how that's going to like impact the family. Friends.
Speaker: So I'll get stuck there. And it's some days it's pretty bad. is it Is this new because of your newfound time? Do you have time to worry about this? Or is this so like, it that has nothing to do with it?
Speaker: Sadly, no. I mean, there it was in some cases, quite worse when I was working. Quite a bit worse. But I was thinking, maybe not necessarily the the job thing, but actually, this would lead into my next question about where I'm at with my kids and you. But I thought maybe because now you're not that as worried about your kids.
Speaker: you know they're going to be all right for the most part. they're getting pretty old. So does that free up your mind more than the work? Oh, you mean, oh yeah, the connection to them on a day-to-day basis, or at least the the tasks.
Speaker: are much, much less, if nothing at all. Yeah, you're probably not you're probably not worried about if you're fucking them up anymore, right? Or or if they're going to be all right. They kind of are what they are, and they're starting to figure it out make good decisions.
Speaker: Yeah, they're both doing great. but it I want to say it's probably more of us this stage of life, this transitioning to turning 50, and then some of the decisions we've made to financially create a set of choices that a lot of people don't have, and it's and I don't want to talk about it.
Speaker: because you guys Are you guys buying a boat? Look like a cocksucker. It's just like trying to figure out what this next phase is. I think there's a period where we want to try to do some different things, but I'm not sure that we have the balls.
Speaker: So I'll get hung up on that. Like coming down to Costa Rica. Yeah. And trying that out for a little bit. Stuff like that. yeah i mean it's exciting but also like oh i gotta jump off a cliff basically right ah right yeah so it can be consuming and then alongside of that where i really get hung up like all of those dreams or ideas they're really tied to money and as we've talked about before on the show the market business has been so chaotic and so weird
Speaker: It's all these different dynamics that if you're, i guess, looking to protect your nest egg for your dreams or you're looking to analyze what you should do with that to protect your lifestyle, you can really get caught up in a ah cycle of fear or emotion. And I've always been susceptible all of that.
Speaker: It's tough for me to resist. So how do you, i don't know if you want to, but how do you? the only way i had The only way that I was able to sort of get rid all that, um maybe I wasn't as intense about it as you, was to, again, it sounds ridiculous, but I say to kind of hit rock bottom and realize, who fucking cares? I can live in a dump.
Speaker: I can drain all my savings. It's fine. And so now I'm like, i don't at least that stuff doesn't doesn't even matter. Even like starting a business in this real sort of weird market where you're like, what if what if shit gets real sideways and people just stop all disc discretionary spending? like I probably should be more worried about that, right? Especially if I talk to you.
Speaker: Nah. but mean I'm not trying to suck you into that doom. and i mean I don't think that that's... There's some definite risks out there. I don't think it's across all business.
Speaker: yeah How do you stop it? or you like I'm saying that's how I stopped it, was just being like, shit, you suck, and it doesn't matter. so like how do you Do you want to stop it?
Speaker: It's hard, yeah. Mine is more, should I do something investment-wise? And so all I do is I just put, I put rules up. Sometimes I'll type a big thing on because what I'll do, dude, and it's sick.
Speaker: I'll go back into a spreadsheet and be like, okay, okay. What I need to do is I need to like take a 1% of that off the table, allocate it here and do shit like this. And this is all rooted in fear of like, oh man, I really want to make sure we, we can dream and do the things we want to do.
Speaker: Um, And if if I don't do this, we won't be able to have that. It's a silly exercise, but I'll go and do that. But to prevent that, recently I'll i'll just create a list of rules.
Speaker: Sometimes I'll bypass them, though. Like I'll be in a state, a fog, and where it's like, you know, rule number one is stay invested, which I've always adhered to, so which is good.
Speaker: But then I'll be like, Don't touch the asset allocation or whatever. for Don't touch it for 10 years. And then I'll just come in and do stupid shit.
Speaker: Nothing dramatic. it's just It's more of the psychological sad the psychological hijacking that happens. then I just don't understand. got...
Speaker: i've got you know By most people's standards, I mean, everything that you could want, right? free time And I still find a way to be have these huge hang-ups.
Speaker: And so I'm trying to figure out how I just like do the things that I said I wanted to do. Write songs. Travel. Yeah, it's just, ah there are no easy answers no matter what situation you're in you're You're building, it's exciting, you got that piece of it, you also have the exhaustion.
Speaker: This is your biggest worry. It's not my big- I think it's midlife crisis, in a good way, but not like you're going out buying Corvettes and trying to drill- No, I'm never- Or anything, but- No, I'll never be there. It's just more of a, there's a life transition happening.
Speaker: Uh-oh, you have an announcement to make? Damn, boy. ah Right. um Well, you'll be fine. It's funny, too, because you're kind of like the voice of of stability, financial so stability and reason.
Speaker: You need to remember that. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm just saying it's still it's still a challenge to know what's enough. or why you're doing something. And I think when you when you work or you're pursuing you're pursuing an opportunity like you are, it's it eliminates other noise, it eliminates other options of of mental spin.
Speaker: Right. So, yeah, it's just a singular focus. I don't have to worry. It's like, I got to make this work. And so then it's like, i don't to worry about anything else. Yeah. and And because of the healthcare nonsense, like I can't go work actually part-time. The only option I would have is to go back full-time to a company that provides all the benefits.
Speaker: I'm sure I can think of other options, but because... We're at a place where we're having to finagle our money so that we're not stuck paying insane amounts for insurance.
Speaker: ah We're having a lower income and shit like that. So I'll sit there and spin on stuff like that. ah so if you went picked up a job, say you're making 20 bucks an hour, a little supplemental income or something, then it would fuck you up where all of a sudden you'd be put into like, oh, now you got to pay a lot more for healthcare or something? Potentially, yeah.
Speaker: Yes, sir. So, I mean, I'm still trying to understand is like, what else is there in the world besides working that a young man such as myself can engage in?
Speaker: Which has been a two year battle, honestly, right? It's been it's been up and down trying to figure out what hooks you and, you know, is it worth it? Stuff like that.
Speaker: I think people, I think like people, you know, where people that overly stress about their kids or shit, I think this is why they do it, whether it's conscious or subconscious. It just gives, ah it's like a ah northern light or something. because keepbes It's like, all right, I'm just going to keep stressing about my kids, even though kids are like, fucking, I'm fine.
Speaker: Get off. Yeah. and ask is They're doing it for themselves, right? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And that I mean, I don't know if I feel like, When I hear you, if you're I don't feel like it's like, oh, I need to find a sense of purpose, but maybe you could call it. No.
Speaker: I mean, i bring it i bring some wisdom to my thought process usually. I'm not bragging or anything. I'm not and am usually pretty reflective. I'm just saying it's a challenge to go and figure out, like, what am I bringing to the table right now?
Speaker: Right. And this this podcast. I enjoy like making up dumb stuff for this and then you and I do what we're doing, of course. but I mean, i yeah, I don't know. I wonder a little bit too, like is do do we just get too caught up in sense of purpose?
Speaker: say you want be like, a mor morbid like life you life. We're going to be sleeping in the dirt and that's it. like But it's like, is it that important ah to do something purpose purposeful with your time here? Or is it better to just be, generally not be a detriment to society, but that's it.
Speaker: And that's exactly right. And we've talked about that before, but like we made fun of, people who go to their jobs and they're like, Oh my God, I just love what I do. And you're like, really?
Speaker: You like process account forms or something like that. Yeah. Um, But what happens is we're all good at justifying sort of our circumstance. And I will go into that space where I'll be like, oh, my God, this this whole purpose stuff, this productivity, this optimization stuff in America is such a scam.
Speaker: But it does come back to, I think, when you think of purpose, it comes back to how are you connecting with other people and in what context? Because that that's actually... a true craving of our humanity is to like connect with other people.
Speaker: and And we, we in America do it mostly around business and some hobbies get us there. But when you get to 50, you don't have high school football. You you're probably not going to be in a rock and roll band trying to make it big. Those are huge for me.
Speaker: And then the young family is a new pursuit. And I'm just saying, I'm in a transition now where it's like, I'll be 50. And nobody wants to see me play rock and roll. I'm not, uh, I'm not, I like, that's not what I'm saying. I'm not going to try to get out there and tour or have a big goal. And so what happens when you don't have those big goals anymore?
Speaker: Like in your situation, it's a necessity. So you're just, you can't even think about You're just like, I'm going to fucking do this, sell some wood. We're going to dominate. Yeah, everything else everything else is coming with it, actually. like Whether I like it or not, like I'm out there, like you said, I'm meeting, creating connections with people, fucking around, being myself, doing all this shit. So everything's coming with it. Even when I leave and then i come back and tell my kids, like dude, I've been doing some crazy shit to get this business going and they can be like whatever, proud or they know that I'm doing something cool. like and Everything...
Speaker: like it or not comes with it, you know? Yeah. And so, um, yeah, it is what it is, but it seems like more, but I don't know why it seems, it seems more of like, uh, because I went out did my own thing. It seems, I don't know what, what's the word. No, I mean like, it's like, it seems more freeing, more, uh, bold.
Speaker: Yeah. No, just like cooler, ah you know, like more like authentic maybe is the word, right? Like if I went and got a job with a fucking, i don't know, just named some Chevy, Boston Scientific, and then I was like account level four inventory manager and I got paid well and I got good benefits and everything, but i'd be like It'd be hard for me to sit on there and be like, man, it feels cool. I'm making connections. We have we have weekly meetings. And Bob's a good dude.
Speaker: Mike's hockey. it it just And I don't know why. That's just us, like we've talked about. But it seems it seems cool. Yeah, i don't I don't know. It seems good. But I but i think...
Speaker: you got like could you If you did some of the shit you're talking about, so like if you moved down here and you were just like, yeah, we're having fun doing shit, would you be like, oh, fuck, this is selfish a selfish pursuit. It's not purpose.
Speaker: Are you worried about the purpose piece? No. I mean, i'm I'm trying to assess whether my partner, who I think we could have a lot of fun together just for a few years, like bouncing around doing different things, I think we'd have a great ah great time doing that. So I think that's something I would want to prepare for.
Speaker: And it's just a couple years we get back and, you know, the thing, complication with her is she has to, like, because because of the, there's a medical burden of shutting down her practice. Like, she has to make sure that those patients who are cared for.
Speaker: and have have somewhere to go. She can't just like close the doors tomorrow. So there's some effort in in doing that. But ah for me, she could, she definitely, I know I mentioned this, sorry not to cut you off, but she definitely, if she wanted to just keep a small little business, she definitely could serve the expat community, probably anywhere you guys end up.
Speaker: Yeah, the the the complications, she get licensed wherever she goes. And there's a few. See, right here, click. Fuck all that worry, dude. You're going to have the gringo community here, and and you're going to be like, I'm a licensed psychologist in the U.S. She could go worry about all licensing, or she could just be like, is what I do.
Speaker: That's not her, though. I mean, that might be you and I, but that's not her. So, anyway, working around that, trying to figure out what we want to do there. I think, and you know, we're doing stuff. We're going to do a big cruise with the kids this summer.
Speaker: But that's not really what I want to do, Alaska. Oh, that's cool. At least it's not like Disney cruise. No. I'm not going to dock you for that one, bro. And I don't even want to do a cruise, but like it's more of like the kids would have freedom.
Speaker: They can get their drink on. Are you getting into it? think I saw my brother a little bit was like sort of like last the last of this or that as the kids get older. Are you getting into that yet? Pretty much. pretty much. Your daughter, this is probably the last time your daughter's like coming out with you guys, right? At least maybe, maybe your son's got a few more.
Speaker: I think they'll all be up for vacations. Cause how are they going to afford them? Well, nevermind. I was, I don't know why I keep thinking she's almost done with college, but that's not, she's a freshman year, but like I go back and forth with what I should do. And then, you know, on a given day, it's like, well, why?
Speaker: I would love it if he just became like, that was your thing was like cruises you guys got really into just being like cruising like yeah like on tick tock and you're like the buffet here is wonderful well and that's one of the things that bothers me about i think the structure of business and society right now so everybody's looking or jockeying for some approach that can put them back online or doing something online like this podcast is an example of that like It's just not the idea of like making videos, reviewing cruise lines or doing some sort of online based product. It's just like a gag.
Speaker: I think anyone in your not anyone, but a lot of people in your like, if you're like, yeah, we are going to we are thinking about moving to Costa Rica. Almost any normal person, I'll be like we could probably video, be log it, you know, and then we when we send it back to people or other people like us are moving down here, we probably.
Speaker: It's like, no, I'm just going to go, not for the sake of recording it. Yeah, or get a sub substack and write about it. And there's just so much of that. I just say, don't want to do any of that.
Speaker: No. That's why we haven't, that's honestly why, i mean, I could have, I have time. i could have promoted this shit long ago. I just find it to be, and think we both do. It's like disgusting.
Speaker: It's so fucking stupid. I just, the idea of, I have a podcast saying that is so stupid. So like, I'll go back and forth with like, okay, well, what you know, you liked coaching. I had to give it up this year.
Speaker: You know, you go back with like, okay, what am I going to do? And it does feel like a ticking clock. I call it time bomb, dude, but it's a clock in your head that's like, oh, each year you get progressively more invisible, more invisible to the world.
Speaker: You will get older. Dude, you could even, i mean, I could see you, you could, there's a lot of different, yeah, you'll get there. I mean, there's a lot of like, you could probably come down here, you could she could probably do freelance practicing, and you probably could pretty easily score, like, a fun game where like, playing at a cool beach bar once a week.
Speaker: Playing guitar, singing songs. Probably make make eight or nine grand. I'm going to drop in an example of what I could sing into this episode. I will do it.
Speaker: will do it.
Speaker: I guess the stones are coming too fast for her now. You know I'd like to believe this homelessness will pass.
Speaker: All the stones I've thrown are building up one.
Speaker: The hustle, boy. The hustle. Yeah. No, i might if I had a dream, it would be you open up that pizza bar and then we'd be running some... I would dig that, dude. Some comedy and some live podcasting and some some stupid shit. I'm not that far away, but I need to get this other thing popping, make some money and and do that. No, that would be fun as shit.
Speaker: But it'd be cool if it didn't need to be that profitable. Yeah, if I make some money, then I also, I would rather do it at the beach, and i gotta a and I've got to get, I'm a little farther away than you are to get into the beach, actually, which is kind of ironic.
Speaker: But i need I need to get my kids kids out the door. That is ironic. Yeah, yeah, no, I get you. But then but then then it doesn't matter how old you are. If you got a little a little pizza place, a little bar, mean, you can kick around there in your 70s and Nobody gives a shit. Oh, yeah. You know what would badass is also. like because ah It's just if I had something cool like that.
Speaker: and And you were and like, you didn't even have to come on board. be like, yeah, Lance and Sarah come down here four or five months a year. And I'm like, go get behind the bar, puss. Bring your guitar.
Speaker: And that's it. you just know when you're down here. And then I have a little booth set up for Sarah where she's like psychologist slash yeah like fortune teller. She's just sitting like, cash only. And everything is just hard knocks.
Speaker: That's because you're being a fucking pussy. Next. Next. you can get it all out. 30 years of of like coddling people. can just be like, that's it. My bar. Dude, I've. It's YouTube.
Speaker: In my worry cycle, I've gotten to a place where it's like I need to build or go to a place like Costa Rica, buy some land and build like a place that can serve as a commune.
Speaker: That's like anti-tech because AI is coming for us all. This is obviously far fetched, but maybe not. No, it's not. I'll get in that place where it's like, oh man, just a place where we all come here and we're all Luddites and we resist any tech. Dude, have, i like I'm, this exact same thing, nothing about the tech crap that you're talking about, but I'm like, I would love to build like a,
Speaker: self self-sustaining self-sustaining farmer on like all my food sources from myself because you can do it here easily you know yeah i would i would do that i would love to do that but that's nothing to my i would too doing it for fucking to shut elon musk up or anything yeah no i that learning process would be would be good would be fun and it would feel you know if you got solar and is solar viable there or is just too too cloudy and rainy I don't know. We can figure something out.
Speaker: I mean, right now it's sunny. I don't – this is a dumb question, but do you need intense cloud-free solar? Or can you – I mean, you're getting pummeled by – like clouds aren't really blocking the sun that much.
Speaker: Well, I think you get some – you're going to get some energy, but direct sunlight, of course, is going to give you more. But maybe you can do some hydropower and we can – dig a trench and get some water flowing. in This whole grid here is hydropowered. do You know that? That's why that's why it gets all the all the hype about being such a green place because of all the hydropower.
Speaker: yeah so ah So, yeah, Lance. But if you you just got to give me a little time. I need i need the i need the money.
Speaker: That'll come. And then I need figure out where my kids are going to be. But the compound we could probably build pretty... I mean, shit, even the even the pizza place, like, once you get it going, we just pop in when we feel like it.
Speaker: So, but don't worry, bro. But I think before you do that, before you commit to Costa Rica, you guys should get around a little bit. Don't you think? that's Well, that's what we want to do, but, you know, motherfuckers got to get off the pot.
Speaker: Yeah, but... It's comfortable here. I'm i'm on a park. Then what's the problem?
Speaker: Yeah, but what why not just, why not stay stay there? you know You Airbnb a place in Costa Rica three months a year or in Italy or wherever the fuck you want to go, and then you go back to your comfortable life. you want you want the You want the experience of like, I just sold every fucking thing I have and i and i' all as I got is a card that attack ah attaches to my well-planned bank account and I'm out.
Speaker: I just don't know what a life of 100% leisure gets you and 100% comfort. That's the nice thing about our farm ideas. You get that, you put your back into it, dude.
Speaker: Put your back into it. And then you're building community with a little pizza bar and a stage.
Speaker: I think your worries are, you know, mine are legit and validated. Yours are, just kidding. No, yours are for good reason is what I was going to say.
Speaker: You're like, i got shit, we're here. I did all the planning. I did all the work. Next phase of my life is x And then you've got to convince somebody else to come on board or maybe she has to convince you.
Speaker: and And she's leaving something she likes. You've already left something you don't like. So it's like a different vibe. Yeah. Now all I got is my e-bike.
Speaker: That's all i am. I'm a bike. that dildo like Mike. But I think I got to, when I get up there and if I come up there in January, I'm going to convince her that the way for her to go is to do freelance shit.
Speaker: If she has to run it, run it through like, oh I'm a licensed Colorado. She can figure it out. But she, she, ah she would be fine. Just fine. Yeah.
Speaker: If she, if she wants. Yeah. How important is it to speak Spanish? For her or just in general? She speaks Spanish. She knows how to, actually. yeah No, just just to live there.
Speaker: Can I sequester myself in a gringo community? Yeah. I'm guessing, though, you're going to want to... I mean, I think the like going anywhere and not speaking the local language after a while is kind of lame.
Speaker: I'm kidding. I would do. I would work on it for sure. But I mean, um my Spanish is still terrible and I've been here for like 12 years, but I'm operating in Spanish. I'm not like an outsider, so to speak.
Speaker: The biggest problem you have is most people want to want to fuck around do some English with you. Because everyone's like, oh, chance to speak English. you know Because the whole world wants to know English.
Speaker: And so everyone like gets excited to be like, oh, I'm going to show this motherfucker what's up. A little practice. Well, I wouldn't worry, bro.
Speaker: Or maybe, you know, I shouldn't say that. Maybe you should, right? the I think what the only problem would be if you mike if you go, you know what? you're like Tonight, you're trying to convince your wife that you're going to buy land and build a farm in Costa Rica.
Speaker: But no like that's it. I'm diving all in. Which a lot of times in life, that is the way to go. But I probably feel things out a little bit. Yeah, exactly. What do you really want?
Speaker: I also think it's fair to remember that you have a pretty good... The reason why it's so comfortable is you got a pretty good thing going there. Of course, of course. Yeah, I don't want to come across as some some whiny bastard that doesn't understand his circumstances. so Yeah, well, that's going to be hard for a guy like you to not sound like that, dude.
