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Episode 112: I Baked Four Loaves Of Bread Today
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After a 2 week break the boys are back and ready to catch up! Full disclosure, not a lot of wrestling talk in this episode but come hangout anyway!
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Introduction and Purpose
00:00:36
Speaker
Hey everybody, welcome to episode 112, 113, 114, I don't know. Welcome to Predetermined. I'm your host, Garrett Callender. And I am your other host, Derek Halpin. You are listening to the NPR edition of Predetermined Pro Wrestling Hangout. We are here today to bring you quality content during the lockdown, and we hope you enjoy what we have on tap for you today.
Wrestling in Cambodia
00:01:00
Speaker
We are going to be diving in and discussing some professional wrestling in Cambodia. We will also be discussing how harnesses should probably be acquired by a company that has a prestigious track record instead of some bum with a trailer who doesn't know what the fuck he's doing but once owned a boat and because of that has a clip that he feels confident can lower a wrestler from the rafters of a building.
00:01:28
Speaker
You see, now that sounds like something we might actually discuss.
Humor and Absence
00:01:31
Speaker
Yeah, I mean I think that's without question something we should probably discuss at some point.
00:01:36
Speaker
Yeah, so if you've been, we were gone the last couple of weeks, I don't know if you noticed, maybe you're like, holy shit, I just thought this week was really dragging on. I think that's how a lot of people have felt lately about everything, but I'm sure, there's probably a mixture, I mean, I can only speak for myself, there's a mixture of feeling like there's a lot of shit going on and nothing going on at all. And maybe they noticed that we haven't posted an episode in a couple of weeks, but maybe not.
00:02:06
Speaker
No one reached out to check on my safety, and I want to say to each and every one of you listening, shame on you. I reached out. You did reach out. That's not true. No, I was thinking, no, no, no. I was getting ready to say that's not true. No one reached out, but you know what? It is true. No one questioned where we were for two weeks.
Unpredictable Topics
00:02:27
Speaker
where we were as a show yes for sure well daddy your dad's needed a break dad's needed to go down into the den and have a smoke and put on some burt baccarat i don't know um yeah it's it's been a couple weeks since we put anything out and i think to try to do something different and i guess we're gonna
00:02:49
Speaker
See where this conversation takes us and if you've been listening to the show for any length of time You know that we have a tendency to to go off the beaten path. I guess you could say
00:03:01
Speaker
The show gets a little off the rails. Who knows if we even talk about wrestling today. We may not even go on the rails at all this episode, so buckle up and be prepared for anything and everything. It could be a controversial topic, could be something silly. We'll see where this takes us. We haven't done something like this before, so fucking settle in, grab some snacks, grab a claw, if that's your thing.
Fake Sponsorship and Humor
00:03:25
Speaker
He's got a claw, so it's kind of business as usual. This is actually a big event for the show right now. I have just cracked open not a claw, but a truly. Oh, fuck. But a truly. Oh my God, did our sponsorship change? So Truly has agreed to pay us to stop talking about white claw.
00:03:50
Speaker
They're not even paying us for a sponsorship. They're just like, shut the fuck up. Just stop talking. Take our money. Take our drinks. Keep drinking claw even if you want, but just don't talk about it. Don't talk about it. You aren't the demographic that people want to hear from to promote that brand. Meanwhile, I am sitting here wearing my Danhausen shirt, and I have a ice cold glass of Coca-Cola classic next to me.
Unreleased Somber Episode
00:04:18
Speaker
and I'm prepared to talk to my best friend of over 30 years. I was going to, originally I was going to say like, we're not talking any wrestling this week. Um, but then naturally I think when I don't talk about wrestling or say that we're not going to, I naturally want to talk about it a little bit. Uh, but it was still impossible to escape. Even when I'm not trying wrestlers snake their way into my life.
00:04:46
Speaker
What does that say about us? That sometimes we have more success talking about wrestling when we're trying not to.
00:04:54
Speaker
Last week we come in and I feel like we should just tell him we did record an episode last week But I was just such a sad sack of shit that that episode would have just bummed you guys out Like if you want to hear me sound sad talking about how much I love Johnny be bad That episode would have been for you Maybe one day for a joke will release that. Oh, I still have it. I can see it where I'm sitting right now. Oh
00:05:21
Speaker
Well, I'd ask you maybe one day you'll find out what happened if we release
NPR Style Episode
00:05:27
Speaker
the episode. But I can tell you that we got around to the 50 minute mark and Garrett just like, all right, I think I'm pulling the plug. And I was like, well, I still have stuff to talk about. And he's like, no, we're done. And we just piece that. And that's how that one ended.
00:05:40
Speaker
And then we sat on it for a while and I was like, do you want me to send that over? And you're like, yeah, go ahead and send it over. And then days passed and nothing was released and I got no updates. And it wasn't until was that a day or two ago where I was like, are you doing anything with that? And you're like, yeah, I'm looking at it right now. And now here we are. So nothing's happening with, uh, that recording as of now. Um, not that it really matters. We're here to deliver quality content regardless after a brief hiatus and, uh,
00:06:12
Speaker
I kinda, we should actually try to see for no other reason shits and giggles if we can do the whole NPR shtick for a whole episode. Oof. No, I like the idea of it, but I'm just saying, like me coming in unprepared right now to do NPR for you? I don't know. Oh no, I think if we were gonna try to do that voice for 60 minutes, we would need to have like a game plan. In fact, I may actually need papers in front of me.
00:06:42
Speaker
I may actually have topics that I need to check off with a nice pen. And yeah, no, we're not doing that now. Let me start off pretty basic and we'll just go from there. How you doing?
00:06:58
Speaker
Are you feeling okay?
Pandemic Struggles
00:07:00
Speaker
And been any reason why we've been struggling to put out content the last couple of weeks as far as your end before we get to what's been going on with me? Oh, I'm just, you know, just going crazy over here. I'm tired of it. I'm tired of it, Derek, but I don't know when I can, I got invited to go watch the pay-per-view this weekend. And I realize I don't know when I'm allowed to do that. Am I allowed to do it now?
00:07:28
Speaker
Is there a pay-per-view this weekend? Derek, Double or Nothing is this weekend. Oh shit. AEW's second biggest pay-per-view. I mean, was Double or Nothing their first official pay-per-view, right? If history serves me. Derek, it's their biggest pay-per-view then. This is their first pay-per-view. You're right, yeah. Like, hold up.
00:07:58
Speaker
That really snuck up on us. Considering everything that's going on. I mean, shit, you were here at the end of February for a revolution. And then we've been watching pro wrestling off and on where it's had no fan. It's just been a weird time period. So it's like, it makes sense that you're going crazy because I think a lot of people are. I know I am off and on. Um,
Reality TV Discussions
00:08:24
Speaker
Well, just a year ago, I was having breakfast with Joey Janela and Nick Gage. And then this year I have to pay 50 bucks to watch a no arena pay-per-view. And I didn't say no audience. I said no arena. I guess I don't know what that means. It's their backyard show that GCW did. There is no arena.
00:08:49
Speaker
I don't know what to tell you man. It's in these uncertain times. What the fuck is Nick Gage up to right now? He's probably back in jail by now. Doesn't it bug you not knowing what he's up to? We were getting updates on that guy like once a week. He was always wrestling. He was wrestling everybody. What do you think Nick Gage is binge watching?
00:09:12
Speaker
Yo, no, seriously, this is us. It makes a con cry. I hope he was watching the same shit I've been, which is that I was, I don't know if I brought this up on the last, the unreleased episode, but I've been watching this knife show. Did I tell you about Forged in Fire? Oh yeah, I've been watching the shit out of Forged in Fire, knife or death. How do you get to that?
00:09:41
Speaker
Like you told me that you suddenly had a fixation on reality television. But why that? It's true. I don't know. It's an obstacle course with knives. I think I like when somebody has a really good obsession about something. I want to hear the thing that somebody's going to nerd about. But when that thing is knives, it adds an extra level to that character.
00:10:06
Speaker
For the record, for anyone listening at home, Garrett does not have a knife collection. You are not a knife. What do I say? I feel dumb right now. A knife spurt?
00:10:19
Speaker
and do you have a knife collection or do you have a knives collection you have a knife collection all right well you wouldn't have a knives collection this is more you have a collection of knives right is fucking weird can be either see this would be Jesus Christ man it's funny when we get off when we get off the track we get exposed
00:10:41
Speaker
for how little we actually know. Yeah, just trying to talk about Nick Gage watching a knife show and... No, but you watch the knife show, you become an expert on the knives. Like when I see somebody come in with a knife they clearly bought on eBay, I know that shit's gonna break. I mean, I will say that if they put Cutlery Corner up on Netflix, I would binge watch the shit out of it. That's my knife show. Can you please describe Cutlery Corner to the listeners?
00:11:07
Speaker
Oh, God, how do I do this in a way that's not offensive to any particular demographic? Well, you can just describe what it is. It's already offensive, but... It's a couple of dudes will say they have more Southern qualities to them and to their personalities.
00:11:29
Speaker
any experience you've had watching the home shopping channel QV QVC. It's a lower quality version of that where they're just selling you so many knives. So many knives, big knives, small knives, medium sized knives, knives that have a really nice handle, knives that have a deer antler for a handle, knives that have the Confederate flag on them.
00:11:55
Speaker
Are you able to just buy one knife, Derek? Like, am I able to just buy a knife off of this channel? Absolutely. They want your money. I have no doubt that if you call them up and said, hey, I just need a knife, just one knife. Can you just pick a knife and send it to me? They'd be like, yeah, it's $29.95. Liar. Liar. You can't get less than 60 knives in a set.
00:12:17
Speaker
I... come on, man. We don't need to false advertise. I'm sure that you can just go buy a singular knife if you go watch Cutlery Corner. Cutlery Corner is the place you can go if you're looking to get some nice steak knives, but also maybe a butcher knife and a samurai sword. And also the kind of knives that Rambo would use.
00:12:35
Speaker
Yes, if you need to saw somebody's head off with a knife, Cutlery Corner is the place for you. If you are a terrorist, you've probably bought some of your arsenal on Cutlery Corner. But yeah, Forged in Fire, man, did I tell you who the host of that shit is?
00:12:52
Speaker
Goldberg. Yeah. Do you know how surprised I was tuning into that to find out that Bill Goldberg is the host of something that, as far as I can tell, he isn't an expert on? And I made this point on the unreleased episode. He is an expert on spears. God damn it. That joke's good twice.
00:13:15
Speaker
It got him both times, that's how I know it's a winner. Pop me when I'm sad, pop me harder when I was happy.
Quarantine Eating Habits
00:13:23
Speaker
It's more upsetting to me that you're watching a show hosted by Bill Goldberg, considering you know how I feel about that man. But just know, going into it, I didn't know he was the host. This was just a pleasant surprise. Let's see what's under the blade!
00:13:42
Speaker
but he kind of is shit talk like some of these knife people are fucking weirdos though and gold you think and Goldberg isn't afraid to make fun of him like if a guy looks like he's not in shape Goldberg is not afraid to let you know he's probably not gonna do well on the obstacle course hey tubby might want to have a lighter knife you're gonna weigh you down I thought you were still laughing as Goldberg after you said
00:14:12
Speaker
that fucking creepy like Goldberg smirk whatever where he has like his tongue and his cheek
00:14:18
Speaker
Yeah, so you did that. You did Too Hot to Handle. Oh, which I guess we did talk about that in the last episode. Dare we bring it up again? Try again. Try to describe to people what Too Hot to Handle is and why you thought it was something better than it actually was. Yeah, I was so excited because this show was pitched to me as a show where they're going to bring a lot of pretty people, a lot of handsome and attractive people to an island that are there to fuck.
00:14:45
Speaker
These island people are prepared to fornicate with each other on TV. And there's a swerve. They can't. Aha. I love the idea of just telling hot people they can't have sex with each other. That is a reality show that speaks to me. Abstinence Island. I've said it before. I'll say it again. Not quite as good as The Spear.
00:15:07
Speaker
The Goldberg Show was better? Yeah, Goldberg Show held up a lot better, because it turns out these pretty people are starting to learn lessons. And I was kind of just hoping for sad, sad pretty people that just want to fuck. Just wanted people whining into a camera about the fact that they couldn't fuck. That is basically the first two episodes of the show. And if you could figure out a way to make that last, you know, a full season, I would watch that all day. Does that topic resonate to you?
00:15:38
Speaker
What, like attractive people not having sex? Yeah, is that something you relate to? This cake is delicious. I'm trying to decide like where that stands with me having sex and also with where I look at myself on an attractive scale.
00:15:59
Speaker
On a 1 to 10 scale, when you look in the mirror, what do you see, Garrett? Damn, this is getting real. Well, I think before quarantine... Before the quarantine 15 hit? Shit, I hit that 15 in the first week, I think. Was it all Popeye's chicken sandwiches? You son of a bitch, I have had that Popeye's chicken sandwich at least three times during quarantine, and I blame you.
00:16:29
Speaker
I'm sorry, it's a good chicken sandwich. It's a pretty good chicken sandwich. I was gonna ask, what have you been eating during quarantine other than Popeyes chicken sandwiches? Oh no, we've been eating quite a bit healthier actually. We've been preparing a lot of meals. Derek, I cooked four loaves of bread today. The fuck? Yeah, did you know I could make a baguette?
00:16:52
Speaker
No, I didn't know that until now. Yeah, fuck yeah, I can. You know how long it took? Forever, because I followed a guy that sounds like Winnie the Pooh off of YouTube. You did just go to Paris not that long ago, right? Yeah, and I saw an old French man walking around with a baguette, and I needed that. So now you need a forge and fire about bread.
00:17:17
Speaker
bake off and not cool bake, like not cakes and shit like that. Forged in flour. Oh my God. This is genius. Pitch it. Just Bill Goldberg. Professional. This fucking bread pussy isn't going to get anywhere. What wrestler is hosting Forged in Flour? Al Snow.
New Skills and Mask Challenges
00:17:41
Speaker
He's got tough enough on his resume, so they may give him the go ahead. He's a really nice charismatic guy, and if he were the host of a bread show, I'd watch. All right. No, I'm just saying, these loaves of bread, Derek, they mightn't blow you away.
00:17:58
Speaker
Garrett, your family has made me food in the past. I trust the calendars to give me food, and I'll happily accept and try your baguette. Derek, I had to knead this dough for a while, let it sit for 45 minutes, and repeat that step four times. Do you know how long this bread sat around? A while? A while.
00:18:25
Speaker
I didn't have a number for you. Well, I don't have one either. So you're you answered correctly a fucking while That's do you feel like a more well-rounded person because of this skill that you've picked up kinda Kinda now I you know if I was gonna say like if the power goes out I can make bread but I can't in the apocalypse This skill is still not gonna help me. I'll forget it immediately. I
00:18:52
Speaker
I'm trying to think if I've picked up any skills in the apocalypse, and the answer is definitely no. I'm sure you have. Maybe. You wear masks more than anyone now. That's... I wouldn't say more than anyone. More than most. More than Batman. He only does it at night. That's... well, I mean, but if he's up all night, he may have like a little bit of an edge on me. He works during the day. He's got an important job.
00:19:18
Speaker
I'm glad that we have to bring in fucking Bruce Wayne mask time. Yeah. The masks part of my life is definitely more annoying. Like here's the thing. You'll hear people complaining about wearing the masks and.
00:19:34
Speaker
in my opinion, uh, given everything that's going on, it's pretty selfish thing to do to start complaining about the mass. But there's also the part of me that wears a mask all fucking day at work and then on my way home and then on my way into work the next day. And I will say that the strings that you put around your ears to hold the mask on, um,
00:19:56
Speaker
for whatever reason just the slightest tug that they look the elastic pulls on your ears gives me a headache after several hours and I can't fucking stand it plus you're blowing your own hot air back in your face it I mean it sucks I get it I understand nobody's fucking like oh my quality of life just went up drastically now that I'm fucking overheating and sweating in this little area over my mouth
00:20:24
Speaker
I mean, this feels like when I get home from work some days, like I feel like I'm just gonna have acne and shit right around my nose and lips. But it doesn't matter because you're hiding your face all day long. It's true. And you get to have more meaningful eye contact with people. I guess that's true.
00:20:44
Speaker
What are we trying to find another silver lining here other than just the straight up health aspect? I hope somebody listening is like, you know what? Fuck yeah, I'm getting more meaningful eye contact. That is, I didn't think of it that way. This is pretty good. Maybe not though. I mean, some of the people are wearing masks that are pretty outlandish, nice designs on them. So maybe more people are walking up and staring at people's mouths or where their mouths should be.
00:21:12
Speaker
Well, the masks have been bugging you, but has there been anything like what's made you smile lately? Have you seen a good dog or something? I see one of the luxuries of living in the city is I feel like I see dogs all the time and the dogs look happy 99.9% of the time. And I could just say 100 and we just go there, but I wanted to be a little bit more accurate. It's not all of them. Some of the dogs are probably a little upset. But
00:21:41
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, it's it's it's weird putting on a mask, going to a grocery store to get things that you need to just fucking live. And then you'll see some people there who are clearly just not having it and other people who don't give a shit. Do you know what I mean?
00:22:05
Speaker
Oh, I see the people licking the tip of all the whipped cream cans. But I'm just saying, like the rule at the local jewel near me is they put the sign. It's like, you got to wear the mask if you come in here. Well, I went in the other day and there were totally people in there. They're just like, fuck it. I'm not doing it. And nobody was throwing them out. But there's also people you could tell they're just like, fuck my life. Like they're doing it.
00:22:32
Speaker
But like I just said, they look sweaty. Some people they wear the mask and they look sweaty like they're finishing up a workout. See, I tend to wear a lot of layers, so I sweat a lot anyway. So the mask doesn't add an extra level of sweat to me that I'm not prepared to handle. But like I don't wear I don't have to wear it all day, though, like you do.
Relationships in Quarantine
00:22:56
Speaker
I think I've definitely been very grateful that I've been able to kind of keep my mind occupied via the Nintendo Switch and Animal Crossing. That's come up a lot on the show lately, but it's true. I don't know what would be filling that void if I didn't have that right now. Maybe I'd be playing Resident Evil 3 or some other video game. Maybe you're baking bread. Maybe I'm learning how to make a baguette. I don't know. I would love to teach you on camera.
00:23:27
Speaker
I think you're lucky and you have a significant other there with you, living with you to help get you through this. Would you say that it's fair that your wife has been a big part of keeping your sanity mostly up until recently? Oh, absolutely. If I were alone the entire time, I'd go nuts.
00:23:51
Speaker
I seems like she's, she's, she's, I don't wanna put this. Leah makes good decisions is what I was gonna say. She's a good, her judgment I would not question for a second. Yes, same, same. I say that.
Personal Traditions and Purchases
00:24:10
Speaker
as an offset to you where what was I was going to say at the beginning of the episode because you you had like a ooh I don't know if I could do the NPR voice for a whole episode you had that hesitation but I was thinking about you sitting in a theater all day watching Hobbs and Shaw and that wasn't a fucking issue for you but you couldn't do an hour of NPR voice
00:24:33
Speaker
Speaking of Hobson Shaw, so every Saturday, every Saturday morning, I do what I like to call Saturday matinees with dad. And I'm dad. Tell me more, tell me more. Yeah. So I go and I just sit down and watch a movie very early in the morning, because that was my favorite time to go to the movie theater. Because, you know, it was just me and everybody's dads that were there at 10am to watch whatever action movie that was out.
00:25:02
Speaker
Right. And if anyone wants to join me on Google Hangout this weekend for a Saturday matinee with dad to watch Hobbs and Shaw, let's do this shit. Man, I wish I had a better computer and we could set up something that we could watch something with our listeners again, but maybe that's what I should be throwing my money at in the middle of all this. I will say eBay has become my friend during the quarantine.
00:25:28
Speaker
Oh yeah? What have you been ebayin? Fucking everything, dude. What did I get last week? Last week, I got... Oh shit, we're on truly number two. This one is a claw.
00:25:42
Speaker
Oh fuck. I just lost your sponsorship. You fucking broke your fucking rule. Last week I got like a pretty nice case for my Switch for 10 bucks. It's got a nice grip on it. It feels a little bit more protected. It's by Nintendo, so I felt good about it. It wasn't like some knockoff brand. This week I purchased the DVD for Creepshow. Okay.
00:26:10
Speaker
Um, been thinking about that movie a lot for like a year, but I don't own it. And I don't know where I would go about buying that in person. So eventually, like it becomes the thing where I get bored, I hop on there and I just start thinking of things that I like and I type it in.
00:26:27
Speaker
and I'll see what I come up with. I've got stuff that I'll probably never come close to buying, but you never know. Um, I think I've got a couple of where's Waldo dolls that I used to have when I was a kid saved in my, my watching file on there that I'm just looking at going like, eh, it's 30 bucks. I don't think I want to pay the 24.95 for shipping. That seems a little ridiculous, but, uh,
00:26:51
Speaker
I like looking at it. Do you ever have something that you save like in your shopping cart or whatever that you don't think you're gonna get but you like looking and thinking about it? You like the idea of owning it. Right.
00:27:05
Speaker
My gift to myself a couple weeks ago, I know I sent you pictures of this, the Ghostbusters Afterlife was supposed to come out this summer, and that's obviously been pushed back because of everything that's going on. So they were supposed to have this nice release of the old school real Ghostbusters toys to coincide and build up to that. Well, that went ahead as scheduled, so Walmart released a set of the original real Ghostbusters toys again.
00:27:32
Speaker
and I happen to luck into finding all of the Ghostbusters. I didn't find Stay Puft. I didn't find Slimer. I don't even know if they're out yet.
00:27:41
Speaker
but I picked those up for myself. I didn't realize those were new. I thought those were eBay purchases and that you got the original 4N package. No, no, those were brand new. Oh, nice. Yeah, those were re-releases, which is mind-blowing. I mean, think about something like that. Imagine going into Walmart and seeing the original Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and the original packaging sitting there. Well, I once saw that fucking Donatello as Undertaker action figure.
00:28:11
Speaker
I'm not allowed to buy toys Derek Did your wife fucking put down a mandate? Yeah, there's a no no buying toys mandate Because it's dumb. She says Okay, does your wife
Toys as Art
00:28:25
Speaker
collect anything? No, she does not really I Haven't even I don't even buy blu-rays anymore
00:28:35
Speaker
I just got done putting Leah over and what a great decision maker she is and now I feel like I'm put on trial by her. She thinks it's just waste and space. I look at items, I look at any item you can purchase as a potential piece of art.
00:28:50
Speaker
I like that. Fuck, you see people hang up paintings of shit that they really don't care about. I hate to tell you it's true. Do you want to be a pretentious dickhead? No, you don't care about that sandy sunset as much as you proclaim, and yet it's hanging up in your fucking bathroom taking up space.
00:29:09
Speaker
I have all four original real Ghostbusters action figures hanging above my closet. You can go fuck yourself. I'm very happy when I wake up in the morning and see that shit. Yeah, I'm 33. Yeah, I'm happy that Derek's got his Ghostbusters toys and you can take your mom's Thomas Kincaid painting and shove it up your ass.
00:29:30
Speaker
I mean, I'll put it to you this way. I've been in the market. I've been trying to find a record frame because you know how much I like the the Disney's Robin Hood, right? I know you love it.
00:29:42
Speaker
Well, I do love it. That was the point I was getting at. And as a result, about a month and a half ago, I found a vinyl for the movie, like an old vinyl that has like the story and the songs on it. And it's vintage as shit. And I would like to get that framed.
00:30:02
Speaker
Somebody gonna tell me that I shouldn't fucking frame that and display that? I don't know. I think that's pretty fucking rad. Sorry. I pictured you going on like one of those antique shows and an old man looks at it and just goes, well, clearly this is vintage as shit. I don't know. I like, I like, I don't know. There's certain things that you feel like if you don't get him, like you're definitely never gonna see him again and it's gone. The Crank 2 soundtrack on vinyl.
00:30:32
Speaker
Where did you see that? I found it online a couple, or maybe like a couple months ago, and it was a special, you know, pressing of it and everything. And I thought like, I am never ever gonna run into a cheap copy of the Crank 2 soundtrack on vinyl. You know where I got it from, Derek? Where? Walmart.com.
00:30:53
Speaker
Really? Isn't that weird? Putting over Walmart on here. That is extremely weird. Twice. We're putting over Walmart twice. We may not be done. There's plenty of time left.
Music and Live Events
00:31:04
Speaker
Hey, Derek, you know I like that pop music, right? I was going to ask at some point during this episode, but thanks for jumping the gun. What have you been listening to during quarantine?
00:31:14
Speaker
The one thing that had made me so happy towards the beginning of quarantine is that Charlie XCX came out and said on April 15th, she announced that on May 15th, she was going to release an album. So she gave herself a month to write and record an album.
00:31:50
Speaker
Yeah, I mean...
00:31:55
Speaker
It's weird that things that you don't think about, like you typically think of like an art, like a musician needing a nice length of time to come up with an album. And then when you think of the circumstances that we're in and suddenly it's like, well, if they have a studio or not even a studio, the way technology is now, you can probably do a lot of things with like an iPad, right? Oh yeah, definitely. Yeah, you can get all those programs on an iPad. So suddenly when you're grounded,
00:32:22
Speaker
and you can just go to your room and you're like, well, this is what I do. I guess I'll just put out a fucking whole album.
00:32:30
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, that's totally feasible. I get it. Her last album, she was very sad. And this album, she was quarantined with a new boyfriend. And it's based on what I can tell from this album. He is a great guy, Derek. He is so good and they are so in love. And they can't fuck? No, I think they can. They're together. Oh, man. I was hoping this was the show. It's like, yeah, it turns out they can't fuck for a full month of quarantine.
00:32:59
Speaker
That's probably what made the album so good. All the orgasmic juices being built up inside. The orgasmic juices.
00:33:12
Speaker
I feel like I just listened to an eighth grader describe jizz to me for the first time. Like they're trying to show off with the big kids that they know big adult words. Hey, you know you rub that thing. The orgasmic juices start a flowing bud. Uh-huh. Can you go back to your seat, Jonathan? Stop telling the teacher about it. That was the joke. Yeah.
00:33:45
Speaker
What do you miss most if you had to pick one thing that you're just fucking hankering to go do that you can't do right now? I hate not having wrestling in my future. And I think that was a big thing is I loved attending live wrestling, coming on here and talking about attending live wrestling. You miss going to live wrestling more than even concerts and movies? Ooh.
00:34:13
Speaker
I mean, really, it's just events in general. I miss going to events. I miss feeling excited by things that aren't TV. You miss having tickets to things? Yes. I think my last concert tickets just finally got canceled. I actually had tickets to see Slipknot. I remember that. Yeah, it finally got canceled. But I did get a bunch of money back from concert tickets that I'll never get to attend.
00:34:41
Speaker
Well, there's there's a positive. That's nice. More money that you can spend on Popeye's chicken sandwiches and soundtracks from Walmart. Yeah. First album I ever bought, Derek, was the Dumb and Dumber soundtrack. I was just about to ask you that. I was going to ask, do you remember what your very first CD was? The Dumb and Dumber soundtrack.
00:35:02
Speaker
What did you ask for it? That was from a time period of my life where I didn't know anything about music. Growing up, my parents didn't really listen to music around me. So any music I was hearing, a lot of it would be from movies. And I would end up just getting the soundtracks to stuff. I think I have a lot of... I can relate to that a lot. I'll put it that way.
00:35:28
Speaker
I think that when we were kids, I mean, we did, I mean, like so many others, we watched a lot of movies and then you'd hear a song and you'd be like, that fucking song is sticking with me. And then you go buy the soundtrack for that one fucking song and then you end up discovering a bunch of other things on there. I mean, soundtracks are essentially just compilations, right? So.
00:35:46
Speaker
Or you end up, you hear the song We Will Rock You by Queen on the trailer for the movie The Rock and then think I should buy the soundtrack so I can have that Queen song and then you realize you just bought a score for the movie The Rock. Which probably would have been fine if it was me because I went through a really long phase where I bought a lot of movie scores. I've recently started doing that more. Have you? I have.
00:36:15
Speaker
Wow, you're a late bloomer. Yeah, I've been, let's see, what have I, uncut gems, good times, the lighthouse, which is just a lot of creepy sounds, really. God, you have the fucking score to the lighthouse. I do. In the vinyl. What do you do when you put that on? You have just the insane feeling of dread. Did you just recently in the last couple of weeks put that on?
00:36:46
Speaker
Oh, it's been the entire soundtrack to quarantine, baby. Yeah. It's fucking... It's funny because that movie is almost a little bit of a precursor, right? To some extent. Oh, I've watched that movie twice during quarantine so far. It's a very good quarantine movie. I would like to see that again, though. It's on Amazon Prime. We could do a Saturday matinee with Dad. That would be fun.
00:37:11
Speaker
My first CD, I think, if I'm remembering correctly, was the Twister soundtrack. That had, fuck, what was it, Long Way Down or something by the Goo Goo Dolls? Yeah, and Van Halen. Tori Amos. Who else was on there? But I had like, I think my first CDs were like the Twister soundtrack, the Ace of Bass, the Sign album.
00:37:41
Speaker
Oh God, what else did I have? Oh, I got the original score to... Do you remember when the Star Wars Special Editions came out? I do. I had the score to the New Hope. They did a special release of that. That was a big deal. I think those were my first three CDs.
00:38:05
Speaker
I think I tell you I've been listening to a wide variety of shit since quarantine stuff. I've been branching out into things that I typically wouldn't be downloading like a chill wave. Not chill wave. Although my thing with chill wave because you and I discovered that we'd been listening to a lot of the same things that are similar in terms of just really chill music.
00:38:35
Speaker
Because I had sent some songs over your way, right? Yeah. How long ago was that? Was that two weeks ago? Yeah, they were good. They sounded very similar to what I had been listening to. So here's my story with that. So a lot of times for work I'll take a lift in. It's cheaper than parking and I can kind of leave on my own time with that way.
00:38:56
Speaker
So I'll get different writers that listen to different music. Obviously there was this one morning where I woke up and I was like tired, but I was mostly awake, but I like, cause you know that you don't know where you're half awake, half asleep still. And this guy had what I would consider the most pleasant ride I've ever had anywhere in my life to work, listening to what could be described as chill wave.
00:39:20
Speaker
okay and I like I was able to from the backseat I don't know if this was like a serious station or whatever but I could see what the names of the songs were and every like I think I was able to get like three or four songs in on the way into work and I would save the names of the songs and the artists on it and I just pulled them up after work and I was like this I need more of this
00:39:45
Speaker
See my beyond that that's a great experience because what normally happens to me in a lift is I get in They're listening to a certain type of music Doesn't matter what kind they'll look at me in the rearview mirror and switch it to play Jimmy eat world They're like, oh, this is
Music Preferences and Bullying
00:40:02
Speaker
what he is. This guy needs to hear the middle stat And then I lean over into the frame and go no put on some him
00:40:10
Speaker
That's, we don't talk about him. Why can't we talk about him? This is actually the perfect episode to talk about that. Cause it's, it's so embarrassing. Is it? Why do you get to be more embarrassed about those years than anyone else? I don't know. There was something about like being super into the same stuff as Bam Margera that feels a little embarrassing. I mean, he was an impressionable character.
00:40:36
Speaker
I mean, late 90s, early 2000s MTV had a grip on all of us to some extent. My roommate Chris frequently talks about how he wishes he could be the modern day Carson Daly. That is his current goal.
00:40:54
Speaker
What? That's his current goal? That's on his dream board? I would say so, yeah. That's fucking awesome. I hope he gets it. I hope music videos make a significant comeback just for him. I don't know if it'll work in this current format. I think things have changed. But there was a period... Don't worry, Charlie XCX was making videos. Just put a green screen in there. That's true. No, I just... I don't think you have anything to be ashamed of. I think...
00:41:25
Speaker
Do you fancy yourself as somebody who's like, I think I'm cool. I think I'm trendy. And you look back on that time period and you're like, Oh, that really spoils that idea. Cause I disagree. I think I'm more just thinking of the top hat.
00:41:45
Speaker
I'm not really that ashamed of the music itself, but where, like, sporting the Heartagram top hat was probably where it became too much. Did you wear that to school? Definitely. Actually, I can tell you the only time that I ever got bullied was wearing that top hat. Yeah, I've heard this story. I may have even told it on the show before. So you had a top hat with the Hymn Heartagram logo on it.
00:42:15
Speaker
How did you, first of all, let's actually talk about this. How did that come to be? Where did you get that? How did you get it made? Well, I went to a Hot Topic and bought a Heartagram patch. Yeah. And I also went to a Tuxedo shop and bought a top hat. Like how much was the top hat? It wasn't an expensive top hat.
00:42:38
Speaker
It wasn't? No, it was probably like 20 bucks, 30 bucks. Oh really? I would have thought like a top hat would just by very nature of being fancy, it'd be way more than that. Yeah, no, if everybody thought that I was fancy walking around in that top hat, that's a pretty cool feeling. So who did you go with when you bought the top hat? I bought it at the Springfield mall, so I was probably with my parents.
00:43:01
Speaker
And how like what were their reactions while this was going on? Were they signing off on it or were they like shaking their heads and watching it happen? Well, I think the top hat was originally supposed to be for like a prom or something. Yeah, that makes or a homecoming like, you know, when you could get a sarcastic color of a like suit or a top hat for fun. I was that guy.
00:43:23
Speaker
And then you were like, well, I've still got the top hat and I've got this artagram patch and I've got a love for a band that the lead singer wears top hats quite a bit. So you're like, let's get them married. And you did who stitched it. Oh, it wasn't stitched. I think I glued it. Really? Yeah. That's commitment. And I remember when I went to buy the glue, they wouldn't let me get it because I wasn't 18.
00:43:47
Speaker
That's intense. And I had to go find somebody that was 18 to purchase that glue for me. Who did you get? Kenny Jacobs. Oh god, everything comes back around. Fucking wild. Kenny Jacobs was one of Garrett's rivals for a brief period in his life. If you're listening to this, Kenny Jacobs is... We've got stories that we could probably tell in a later episode about that, but the point is
00:44:11
Speaker
So you now have a top hat with a Heartagram logo on it and you wore it to school and there was an incident in the hallways where one of the, uh, let's say, like I said earlier, one of the more Southern inclined people at our school, Jonathan Peterson. Yeah. Okay.
00:44:31
Speaker
I'll say his name. He deserves to have this story told. Go ahead, tell the story. For some reason I was wearing a top hat to school, which sounds on brand for me. When you say for some reason, you're not the person. For some reason this kid decided this will end well.
00:44:52
Speaker
The weirdest part of this story is that I was walking through the industrial tech hallway where I had absolutely no business being. Yeah, that was a bad idea. I would have advised against that. And there were a bunch of... He's even a year younger than me. I got picked on by somebody who's younger than me. But as I was walking by, he didn't say a nice word to me, Derek.
00:45:17
Speaker
I know the word he said, it's a bad word that rhymes with maggot. And you, if I recall correctly, you didn't quite process, like you had a hard time processing that you just came out and said that. I believe my response, he said, hey, and then I said, wait, what'd you say? And then he repeated it and I said, I thought that's what you said.
00:45:44
Speaker
And then that's how that ended? Yeah, that's the extent of me being bullied. Everyone was like, oh man, is he gonna stand up for himself and tell him off? No, he just clarified what he was called and then he peaced out. But years later, I ran into him. Well, give me part two. There is no time limit. Many years later, I ran into him back at our hometown and he asked me how I was doing and my response was, the last time we spoke, you called me a faggot.
00:46:17
Speaker
and the look on his face and what he said. He looked shocked and said, I don't remember that. And I said, I do. And then walked away. Good for you. Yeah, I'm a fucking, fucking hero. That's the kind. Let me tell you, Garrett, the people that are listening to this need to hear more stories like that. That was satisfying. I've heard that story before. I feel like I could run through a brick wall now just from here in and again.
00:46:46
Speaker
redemption at its finest. Good Lord. Wasn't there, like, for the purposes of not burying one of our friends, I guess I'll skip over the story, but. No, I want you to bury our friend. I don't want to bury one of our friends, because you had another moment like this with somebody that we're both friends with. Do you know what I'm talking about? I don't.
Holding Grudges
00:47:10
Speaker
You were able to deny one of our friends a ride back home?
00:47:16
Speaker
Actually, you denied two people a ride back home. I can only think of one and he's not our friend. Oh, then fucking tell that story. Oh man, my freshman year of high school, my girlfriend cheated on me.
00:47:32
Speaker
with a senior. And then when I was a freshman in college that same guy got a DUI and went to the same college as me and called me to ask if he could have a ride home for Thanksgiving to see his family. What were your exact words to him on the phone? I think I said something along the lines of
00:47:57
Speaker
The last interaction I ever had with you was you stealing my girlfriend like four years ago. Do you want to sit in a car for four and a half hours with me? Yeah, me either. That's not happening. What I'm learning here, Garrett, is that you save receipts. If there's one thing I know how to hold, it's a grudge.
00:48:30
Speaker
Uh, I may not hold on to that top hat, but goddamn the grudges from that same time period. That top hat made it all the way to my wedding, Derek. It was worn by Dustin. I think that's a great story, though. Like, I think...
00:48:45
Speaker
Garrett, you're not the only one that has like, okay, so I'll tell you this. When I started branching off and going to find music of my own in the early 2000s, and when I first started falling in love with Gorillas, it wasn't like you had easy access to their merch. Most of their merch was based out of England.
00:49:07
Speaker
and you would go online and sometimes it was either A, sold out of the three things they did have or B, the conversion on the currency wasn't available. So you would look up a shirt and you'd be like, I think this is my size and everything, but then I don't know how much it costs because you can't convert it over and I don't even know if they'll ship here. So there was a lot of things I wanted to buy. I had to have my current roommate's mom at a local, what would you call that?
00:49:37
Speaker
like custom design t-shirt shop. It's like where you would go to get your Little League shirts made. Yeah. I had like at least two or three gorillas, custom gorilla shirts made just from artwork that they had put out.
Nostalgic Fashion
00:49:53
Speaker
And I wore those for years. You and I had a pretty good gimmick for a while of getting our own shirts made. I think that's cool as shit. And it's really kind of come full circle now that we're doing Animal Crossing and you can do that shit all the time.
00:50:08
Speaker
But no, I think there was just like a day that we woke up and we realized like, wait, fuck, why are we going around? Because this is kind of when Hot Topic was just starting to blow up. So it was really wild. Like, have we ever talked about this before where
00:50:24
Speaker
We were like that first generation when Hot Topic came around of how there were these things that we liked when we were kids and then they disappeared for like, I don't know, five to 10 years. And then suddenly like things like Ninja Turtles or Back to the Future or Ghostbusters, you would go into Hot Topic and suddenly they would have like a graphic tee.
00:50:44
Speaker
And it was mind-blowing because you hadn't seen merchandise for a lot of these things in years. And suddenly, as like a teenager, you were able to go in and like, this is my style, remember this shit? And people would flip out when they saw it. Well, now graphic tees are at like every fucking Target and Walmart and Old Navy everywhere, but this is where like that started.
00:51:05
Speaker
It really started with me and you making like a goddamn Harriet the Spy t-shirt. That's true. I think there was just a day where you and I realized like we could just go make anything. We were helping the local economy, helping a local business. I remember taking the VHS case to Harriet the Spy to this shop in high school and saying, can I get this font on a shirt that just says Harriet the Spy?
00:51:34
Speaker
and they made it happen. They did, and that shirt people stopped me all the time about. I'm gonna bring that back somewhere. I'm sure that's still in my closet in Pittsville. That would be a great retro shirt to break out right now. Like if you were to put that in a shop here in Chicago's Wicker Park, somebody would see that on the rack and be like, oh my god, I hear you at the spy shirt. I'll happily pay $45 for this.
00:52:01
Speaker
Um, I think that's cool as fuck though, man. I think that we were, we had something special there. I'm not ashamed of that all. I can tell you my Gorilla's custom T virus shirt that I got made. I went to the escape to plastic beach tour in Chicago and I think that was 2010. I can't see my ticket from here, but.
00:52:23
Speaker
Yeah, I think it was like fall of 2010. I got that shirt autographed by Damon Albarn and a few other members of the band. I have that framed hanging up in my room. I mean, that was a fantastic fucking decision on my part. Not a top hat, but I'm sure that there were people looking at that where we grew up going, what the fuck does that mean? T-virus on a big white T-shirt. Oh, maybe Resident Evil, I guess.
00:52:51
Speaker
um hey i i know we're coming close to the end here and you brought up something at the beginning that i also watched so i feel like we should at least bring it up uh fuck man that owen heart documentary
00:53:07
Speaker
I didn't know if you had watched it or not until we started this. I came into this recording prepared to do the minimum amount of plugging for that. Yeah, I watched it today, actually. And honestly, I don't know why I go into those things so excited to watch them because they all break my heart.
00:53:29
Speaker
But this one, doesn't that everybody's experience with it? Like, oh, it is excited to watch it. But it's like, I, I forget that when I'm going into it. I'm like, yeah, a wrestling thing I'm excited about. And this one, though, is one of the first ones that he was just a good guy. Like, you know, he didn't do anything. He wasn't doing anything wrong.
00:53:53
Speaker
Yeah, and by all accounts, there were so many little stories. Did it bother you seeing Jim Cornette choke up? Because it actually fucked me up. Yes.
Owen Hart Documentary Reflection
00:54:03
Speaker
Seeing him actually get angry about that and start to choke up, yeah, that got me. Like, I understand that we rip on that man justifiably so, and especially recently, he's been a huge dickwad, and I don't necessarily agree with a lot of the things he says. There's things that I, from a wrestling perspective, I can agree with Jim Cornette, but lately he's had a lot of asshole opinions, in my opinion.
00:54:27
Speaker
But there was something that hit home about, like, for as fired up as he gets about things, to see Jim Cornette break down and, like, have to fight back tears. I think that really kind of set the... I mean, there were a lot of things. I think even... Well, first of all, let's hit kind of the highlights of it, because they went out of their way to say that he didn't necessarily have to be a wrestler. He, like, was okay being... He wanted to get into wrestling, make money, and then get out at a young age.
00:54:56
Speaker
Yeah, he just wanted to make money for his family and then hopefully have enough to not hurt as much as he does. Right. What was your reaction to seeing the harness for the first time?
00:55:09
Speaker
My jaw dropped when I saw that that's what they used. Like the fucking clip that girls put on like their belt loop for their keys? Well what this thing was, it clipped down wrong. Or it was, they said it was meant for boats and it actually had a safety release so it would just completely snap off and let go.
00:55:31
Speaker
And that is fucking terrifying when you're going to be hanging from the ceiling of an arena. I can't even imagine the feeling of there being nothing in front of you like a cliff or just like a drop off and you put your foot out.
00:55:47
Speaker
over that and there's nothing stopping like you know what I mean like this empty nothing and doing that with confidence that the thing that is attached to your back is gonna hold you up and then you take that step to go down and then that just doesn't happen man it fucked me up when who was it was it
00:56:08
Speaker
Maybe it was the referee, the referee, Jimmy Corderis, that said that he shouted look out. Yeah, they had multiple reports that right before he hit, he said look out. Oh, that's what broke up Cornette. Yeah.
00:56:22
Speaker
The man was falling from the rafters of Kemper Arena in Kansas City, Missouri, and he knows he's gonna die. And he's still worried that his death is going to hurt somebody else. That was brutal. And then just, I don't know, this one like fucked me up a little bit. Do you feel like, I mean, we can keep talking about this episode, but it just, this season went really hard on Vince McMahon and WWE.
00:56:54
Speaker
Just as far as negligence goes. And just pure being a complete fucking dick. And they had one of his boys narrate all of it. I mean, this was a rough season. I mean, maybe last season was equally as rough, but I think every time I watch one of these, I just forget how bad it's going to be.
00:57:21
Speaker
I mean, this season started with the Benoit thing, which was like a two parter and ended with this. The stuff with Owen Hart. I remember here's I don't know if we've talked about this. Do you remember the morning you called me after that? Very vaguely. Did I call you before school? You did. This was like we were talking about, I guess, if you know what happened, it was like May of 99. We would have been finishing up our
00:57:49
Speaker
seventh grade year and you called me before school like 8 a.m. to be like did you hear the news and I was like no what he's like oh and you said Owen Hart died last night and I'm like what and you're like the wrestler Owen Hart died last night I guess he fell from the arena and like I I think it's still at this point I was like still mostly WCW and like maybe 30% WWF but you were the one that broke that news to me and
00:58:16
Speaker
Did you have any fond memories of Owen Hart? If I'm being completely honest, like I said, I don't really have a lot of Owen Hart memories. I don't either. And I remember watching him wrestle. I remember playing as him in the games. But I don't remember him ever being one of my favorites when I was a kid. But after watching the work he did in the ring and hearing Jericho say the thing about
00:58:42
Speaker
think about who he was going to be in the ring with. He would have been in there with, you know, Eddie Guerrero and Dean Malenko and all these other guys that could have really elevated him. I think when when your kids and you're watching wrestling you most of the time you get drawn to characters. And I don't know like they pointed out in the last night's episode of Dark Side of the Ring that Owen was a wrestler first and a character second. Yeah.
00:59:11
Speaker
And so maybe just Owen wasn't going to be on our radar because you and I necessarily, we weren't sitting there like, Oh my God, that was a five star match. Meltzer loved that one. We weren't thinking in terms of that. We were laughing about the fact that Scott Hall was throwing up on Eric Bischoff on Nitro. Do you think there were, there are kids right now that are like, you know, go to school the next day and say Meltzer gave it five? No.
00:59:40
Speaker
That's such a weird aspect of wrestling, because here's the weird thing. Go back to what they did at WrestleMania. How do you give stars to that Boneyard match? It's not even playing by the same rules as anything that you would watch in New Japan.
01:00:06
Speaker
Like it's just a complete different thing. And I think what wrestling does is you get your 15, 20 minutes to work with and you just go out and you entertain. And sometimes that's with a really hard hitting long storytelling type style match. And sometimes it's just funny, goofy shit. Um, I don't know. That's a good question. I really don't. I remember Owen Hart on, I think it was war zone, WWF wars on the video game.
01:00:31
Speaker
Yeah, we're playing as him. That just sucks. I like you. I think when I saw it's just so weird how stuff like that didn't surface until now.
01:00:44
Speaker
Like I haven't seen a picture of the fucking harness. I mean, I'm sure there's a reason, like it's probably like official evidence. I get that. It's just wild because there are celebrity autopsy pictures and stuff like that. There's things that you can find on the internet, but fuck, you couldn't find that image of that clip just completely hanging open from where he fell. And when I saw that that's what was holding him up,
01:01:14
Speaker
Well, do you wanna, for next week's episode, watch some, let's look up some classic Owen Hart shit. I definitely wanna go watch that Brett versus Owen match. Let's talk. That everyone raves about. Mania 10, Brett versus Owen. Let's do it. Next week, that's everybody's homework for next week.
01:01:34
Speaker
I think that's everyone's homework, but I also think that for the purposes of this show, because this show was not a traditional predetermined show, I would like to hear from our listeners, whether it's email or social media or whatever, what are some things that you wore or did or were into in your teens, you know, late grade school, high school, whatever, that you look back on now and you're either a little embarrassed by or you look back and you go like, what the fuck was I thinking?
01:02:03
Speaker
um yeah i mean own it yeah own it i wore that pink villavallo shirt and he was shirtless on it and had a top hat on yeah i did the whole goddamn thing what what's your embarrassing thing i want to hear from our listeners stuff like bands that they were into weird stuff that they wore i want it all want to hear feedback sorry that we took the two weeks off
01:02:24
Speaker
I would also, Garrett, I don't know if you're into this, did you like this style of show? Would you like to hear more shows like this where we just kind of kick up our feet and talk things and come to wrestling when we want to?
01:02:39
Speaker
Well, until then, follow us on social media. We're at Wrestle Hangout on Twitter. We're at Predetermined Podcast on Instagram. I am at Gartet on social media. Derek is at Halloween Halpin. Send us an email at predeterminedpodcastatgmail.com. And yeah, thanks for listening, everybody. I'm glad to be back, Derek. It was good to talk to you. It was good to talk to you, too, dude. This was fun. This was fun. Let's hit our crowd to have music.