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Episode 94: Why'd Ye Spill Yer Beans?
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Come hangout with Garrett and Derrick as they discuss this very weird week in the world of pro wrestling!
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Introduction and Podcast Origins
00:00:00
Speaker
Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of Predetermined, a Pro Wrestling Hangout. I'm your host, Garret Callender, and with me, as always, a man who never spills his beans, Derek Halpin.
00:00:13
Speaker
When you spill the beans, isn't that usually giving up a secret or hidden information, I guess, which is a secret? Yeah, you don't spill your beans. Yeah, no, I'm pretty good at keeping secrets, Garrett. That's true, but I don't know.
Wrestling Nostalgia and Movie Critiques
00:00:27
Speaker
I feel like a lot of weeks we start this show, and do you remember Matt Hardy V1 during the ruthless aggression era?
00:00:37
Speaker
No. Yeah. You know I wasn't there for most of the progression era. You should look up some Matt Hardy V1 entrance clips on YouTube because Matt would come out with the old Windows media player effect on his entrance where he had like a Windows media player box around the camera
00:00:52
Speaker
and it had that glitchy internet effect and then over in the corner they always had mat facts and they always had really stupid like quips about interesting tidbits about Matt Hardy and it seems like Derek never spills the beans seems like a type of Derek fact that you throw in at the beginning of the show this was actually more of a reference to the lighthouse
00:01:19
Speaker
Oh, I didn't catch that one. Yeah. Clearly. He says in it, I told you not to spill your beans. Well, he said a lot of shit in that movie.
00:01:32
Speaker
There was some quality acting, if you haven't seen The Lighthouse, Willem Dafoe is on point throughout that film, but I'm not sure what I saw when I saw it, because there was a lot of fucked up things that happened, and by the time the movie was over, I'm not sure what I was supposed to take away from it, other than it being an art house movie.
00:01:56
Speaker
I don't want to spoil anything for anyone and I also don't know what there is to spoil. I know last week I said I'm probably going to talk about The Lighthouse. I just want to say my favorite thing is my review of this movie is the same as a negative review, but mine ends at an exclamation point and theirs ends in a period.
00:02:16
Speaker
The difference is I was reading some one star reviews and it said one star. This is a movie about two people going crazy in a lighthouse. And my review would be five stars. It's about two people going crazy in a lighthouse. That's exactly what I took out of it.
00:02:33
Speaker
And I'm just, I was disappointed because I'm pretty sure I saw like an octopus tentacle, or a tentacle monster of some sort, and I never actually got to see it. So I guess that is a little bit of a spoiler alert. If you're waiting on that. But it also...
00:02:51
Speaker
I kept waiting for it. If you want to see a mermaid vagina, The Lighthouse is a film for you.
00:03:09
Speaker
This is the predetermined cut of the Lighthouse trailer. They didn't show the mermaid vagina in the trailer for a reason, because it's a big reveal. It was a big reveal. I remember when I was watching that scene where it happens, I remember while they were doing the slow reveal being like, are they going to do it? No way. No way. Did it look like what you would have expected? Did it look like what I would have expected?
00:03:38
Speaker
Yeah. It looked a little clam, Shelley. Okay, so you can go back. You can do a remake of The Lighthouse with two pro wrestlers. Who are you casting? Oh my god. Okay. Dutch Mantell. And who's somebody really pretty? Tyler Breeze. That would be fantastic.
00:04:08
Speaker
See, I'm gonna go, because the thing is, it doesn't matter if they're pretty, like, you know, Rob Pattinson's a pretty man, but they, you know, he's pretty gross in that. He gets turds on him, he's farting all the time. I think I would- That's Willem Dafoe that's farting, let's be clear. Yeah, he's not a fart. And why is that okay to spoil what the mermaid vagina is too much? It is an arthouse movie with a fair amount of farts.
00:04:34
Speaker
I want that to be one of the quotes that they throw up during the trailer that you see on TV with like four stars under it. See, I'm going Nick Gage and Necro Butcher. That's what you want for your lighthouse film. I think it was playing the young pretty man in that. Nick Gage. Really? Necro Butcher is going to be the old lighthouse keeper.
00:05:00
Speaker
We're five minutes into this shit. What are we doing, man? Are we gonna talk about wrestling? We are talking about wrestling. We're casting some of our favorite wrestlers in movies, which means that if we follow along this track, that means that you want Nick Gage to be the Batman.
00:05:15
Speaker
Fuck yeah, hell yeah, he basically is my Batman right now. Nick Gage would be a very brutal Batman. Like Frank Miller would get a hard on seeing Nick Gage dispense justice. You thought people were pissed when they announced our pets as Batman, wait till people say who?
00:05:36
Speaker
And then some fake-ass son of a bitch will be like, I think I've seen some of his stuff. Didn't he do that movie with fucking Vin Diesel and people? Because it sounds like a name of somebody you know.
00:05:49
Speaker
No. Yeah, that's true. Nick Gage sounds like he would be in a Fast and Furious. Doesn't it? Well, you know who knows something about the Fast and Furious franchise? Who? You. Well, I thought somebody else knew about it. I'm sure other people know about the Fast and Furious franchise. I just think it's interesting that the movie that has the least to do with the Fast and Furious franchise is the movie you are an expert in.
00:06:19
Speaker
What, The Lighthouse or Hobbs and Shaw? What are we talking about? Hobbs and Shaw. We're talking about Hobbs and Shaw. Well, right now, top two movies of the year for me are Hobbs and Shaw and The Lighthouse. So I've got range, motherfucker. You know what? The show has some fucking range. And you know what?
00:06:43
Speaker
We talked at one point about changing our music. I don't think we've
Music Collaboration and Wrestling Events
00:06:46
Speaker
mentioned this. The guy who scored predetermined networks for fucking Hans Zimmer. And I feel like that means the music will never ever change because it's tied to somebody that has a really cool job now. If you're listening to this podcast, process that for a minute.
00:07:06
Speaker
stop what you're doing, sit back in your chair, whatever you're in, and think about the fact that the person who does the intro music for pre-determined to pro wrestling hangout now works, was a quality enough music composer to get a job with Hans Zimmer.
00:07:26
Speaker
The Hans Zimmer, who scored Christopher Nolan's Batman movies. I'm pretty sure he did a lot of Christopher Nolan's work. I think he does all of his stuff. I mean, if you look up, I'm not a movie score guy, but I do know the name Hans Zimmer. God damn it. Now I have to look up Hans Zimmer while we're on here. And that's not what this show is. Well, look it up because I can fill the time because I have some things to say about this. We had a conversation off the air last week about our music.
00:07:52
Speaker
after we finished recording the podcast. And the consensus between Gerriton and myself was we have to either keep the music or accept the fact that if we change the music, we've got nowhere to go but down. Because unless we're hiring fucking Danny Elfman or John Williams, it's just I'm sorry. I don't know how you can top it.
00:08:18
Speaker
Garrett, have you figured out what Hans Zimmer has scored besides the Dark Knight? My computer seems to have frozen here. Here we go. Dunkirk, gladiator.
00:08:31
Speaker
I like that we're indirectly trying to say that Han Zimmer scored this podcast. It's kind of what we're alluding to, which is not in the least bit true, but it's kind of true. He's working on Space Jam 2 right now. I mean, dudes worked on fucking everything. Has the man scored Kung Fu Panda 3? Yes. Did he just do Superman versus Batman? Yeah. Did he do Chappy? Of course he did.
00:08:56
Speaker
Are we gonna get in trouble if we just start claiming that Hans Zimmer does our music? No, Cowboy Josh made our music. And, you know, that's fucking cowboy shit. That is some cowboy shit. Hit our goddamn music.
00:09:44
Speaker
I was looking for an opening. Thanks for cracking open the claw on schedule. Have you at all on any level gotten sick of the claw yet? It's just water that makes me feel great. So, and I know since everybody really only hangs out with me once a week and I'm always drinking them, I drink basically no claws throughout the week and save my claw time for this.
00:10:10
Speaker
I don't think anyone would feel disappointed to find out that you're not pounding claws the entire week. No, I want them to know that I'm not pounding claws the entire week. It seems like a problem and it's-
00:10:22
Speaker
All I'm going to say is that the white claw entered my way in a very aggressive, aggressive way because I went out to a bar last night by myself to watch some hockey. And while I was putting back Takates and Tullamore Dew Irish whiskey shots, I looked down into the little fridge behind the bar and I did see a large, large amount of white claw.
00:10:47
Speaker
And I'm at this bar it's called Gracie O'Malley's in Wicker Park and they have a thing on the menu Garrett that says that they will like spice up your claw. So you can get a white claw there and then for like two extra dollars they'll put like vodka or they'll put some other liquor in there to make it even stronger.
00:11:11
Speaker
I didn't ask them to do that. Well, you didn't ask them, but I'm just saying that something like claw is enough of a phenomenon where it gets a special section on the menu at a bar now. See, I put it in my ice tray and use it for the cubes in anything. Do you really? No.
00:11:31
Speaker
I was gonna say, is that how you get around saying you drink it every week because you freeze it? And you're like, it's not really a drink if you're just using it to chill your beverage. I'm not drinking it if I'm just sucking cubes.
00:11:45
Speaker
No, like I've said before, I haven't had a white claw since you left town, and I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing, but you have, at least once a week, done that for months now. I mean, you still like them, I guess? Yeah, I mean, are you sick of beer?
00:12:05
Speaker
Is that how you look at them? It's a drink. It's a beverage. But you're not a beer pounder. Yeah, but I find a beverage I enjoy and stick with it. I've never given up on Sprite. You know, like I... Have you ever seen me drinking a Sprite and like you're still drinking that? You've been drinking that a lot lately, like your whole life. That's one thing you and Jim Cornette definitely have in common is your love for Sprite. Sprite's a good drink. No caffeine, a little sugar. Obey your thirst, Garrett.
00:12:35
Speaker
Man, we had a weird fucking week of pro wrestling, my man. We had a weird week of pro wrestling, but is it just a weird week for the world of pro wrestling or the in-ring product itself? Who knows? Who knows? Everything's fucking weird right now, man. And like, Saudi Arabia, basically we had our show come out on Halloween and all hell broke loose.
00:13:03
Speaker
I mean, I, I don't know if I've ever given less of a fuck about a WWE pay-per-view than I did this last Saudi Arabia show. Like, not only did I not watch a single second of it, I forgot that it was going on. And then I opened my social media and saw some stuff and was like, oh, cool. I guess Fiend is champion now. Can you imagine how lame that is for Bray Wyatt that like,
00:13:28
Speaker
He was WWE Champion for like a cup of coffee a couple of years ago before doing the worst WrestleMania match with Randy Orton ever. And then he gets another title run, but he had to do it on a pay-per-view that nobody watched in the middle of the afternoon in another country. And now, the Universal Champion's on SmackDown.
00:13:53
Speaker
And just like just when you thought you had escaped the nonsense of the fucking wild card rule, they decided that you could just be a character that quits your show and shows up on another show.
00:14:08
Speaker
What was funny is I tuned in to SmackDown on Friday night. I actually did watch it live or started to because the news came out that a bunch of the wrestlers were stuck in Saudi Arabia and I was just curious to see what they did.
WWE Controversies and Fan Reactions
00:14:24
Speaker
Can we talk about that here in a minute too, by the way? Oh, we can start now. We can go through this in the timeline if you want. You were getting ready to talk about SmackDown because you watched it.
00:14:33
Speaker
Yeah, well, okay, so I tune in cuz I'm just curious and the show opens with Brock Lesnar and my thought was okay I guess the second his match was over he got on a plane and got the fuck out of there. Yeah, that's literally what happened Which since you know, they had a lot of time to fill they showed me his entire match from crown jewel, which was two minutes How was it I
00:14:57
Speaker
It made me realize that they just did a full-on Josh Barnett's blood sport in Saudi Arabia. Like where it was like a shoot, a worked shoot fight. They did a fucking fake MMA fight. Like there was no wrestling moves. They just did like fake punches and grabs. Did Lesnar F5 him? No. He tapped him with the Kamora lock. Hmm.
00:15:24
Speaker
And then Ray Mysterio came out and hit him with a chair and then he went home. But then he came to SmackDown to let everybody know he quits. And when that opened with Brock Lesnar, I immediately, I changed the channel when it ended. It basically, it showed him leaving and then it showed Triple H and Shawn Michaels like smirking at the camera. And I never even considered like, oh, NXT's here. All I thought was, hmm, and changed the channel. I get a text from you a few minutes later that says, are you still watching? I guess Keith Lee and Matt Riddle are on.
00:15:55
Speaker
I was out on a movie date going to see Mermaid Vagina. That's what I was doing. And then I saw NXT shit happening on SmackDown. We should mention Queen of the Ring was at this SmackDown, which considering such a shit period for WWE right now where they're getting hit left and right with criticism after criticism and most of it, if not all of it's deserved, they put on one hell of a SmackDown for her.
00:16:20
Speaker
Oh, she probably saw the best SmackDown that they've had in 10 years. I don't remember. I mean, I don't remember the last time SmackDown was this much fun to watch. They did an NXT invasion of Friday Night SmackDown. And we had a friend there front and center for the whole show. It was fun seeing her the whole show. It was fun seeing fucking Chappa fight the Miz. You said that was really weird to watch.
00:16:45
Speaker
It was so weird. It was a guy that I loved in WWE for a long time fighting the very first person I ever saw wrestle in PWG. So two parts of your world were colliding on Fox television on a Friday night.
00:17:04
Speaker
And it was a lot of fun. I mean, they went in and the NXT crew beat the shit out of the WWE guys all night. And it was awesome. We got to get a full on NXT title match between Adam Cole and Daniel Bryan on TV. They just gave that away for free. It was great. That seemed like that was some wild shit though. Everyone was raving about how good that was.
00:17:25
Speaker
Oh, it was so good. When they teased it though, Daniel Bryan comes out and he wants a match and they tease that Triple H is gonna do a match. No joke, I got excited for that. I was like, oh shit, they are gonna give me something different tonight. Fun. And then they're like, not me though. And then the camera goes over to Shawn Michaels. I'm like, no shit. You're gonna have him wrestle? All right, I guess you really don't have anything to do. And then fucking Adam Cole came out, man.
00:17:53
Speaker
I was so pleased. I don't know the last time I was that pleased watching WWE. You described them using the NXT roster on the two main shows. I guess they're all technically main shows now, by definition. But you described them calling up NXT to take on Raw and SmackDown. You described it as break glass in case of emergency.
00:18:18
Speaker
Oh yeah, this was a week of just... They did everything bad. They abandoned their wrestlers in Saudi Arabia. Blood money. The Jordan Miles t-shirt. What else? I'm definitely missing. 2K20. Still doing shit. See, I don't blame them for that. That's fucking awesome. If anything, I thank them for that. That provided me with more entertainment that the game ever would have.
00:18:45
Speaker
Look, I know that you're bitter that you can't play a wrestling game in 2019. They're too hard. They're too fucking hard. And I just want to play one. Yeah, no, WWE. I think I don't know if I've ever remembered a time period where they have been getting shit on so consistently.
00:19:05
Speaker
and so justifiably for like like we've had like since we've done this show we've done multiple episodes where the theme of the episode was guess what we're doing today we're giving WWE it's spanking and I get 30 minutes to just rant about it but the funny thing is in the last few weeks it's been like PR disaster shit yeah it's not even been wrestling that sucks it's just like holy fuck you're doing that as a company oh and this is right after they start on Fox
00:19:35
Speaker
I mean, I don't know how contracts work Garrett. Is it possible for Fox to pull the plug on them out of nowhere? I have no idea. All I know is that Fox had to have seen everybody losing their shit for the NXT crew and Fox has to be wondering why isn't anyone been this excited any other night? Why didn't Fox pick up NXT? I think they thought they were getting the good show, the one that The Rock named.
00:20:05
Speaker
I don't know. And the thing is, I know that people are excited about seeing the NXT guys up on Raw and SmackDown. And I understand it. I think the problem is I've been down this road with them so many times before where they do this for a week or two just to be like, hey, look, we've changed. And then as soon as they get you back in, nope, back to the same old shit. I mean, God, did you hear the report about Seth supposedly giving a rah-rah speech to the locker room?
00:20:35
Speaker
Before Raw? Seth Rollins went on Twitter to once again prove that he's the least cool dude with a Twitter account. Like, do we need to dedicate another portion of an episode to sit here and talk about? Like, what the fuck happened?
00:20:52
Speaker
Like he went from like a year ago being like the Intercontinental Champion and everyone being behind him to now it's like he looks so uncool because he clearly cares what everyone thinks way too much. Once again, it really proves how good of a job Roman Reigns and John Cena did at being the champion and just gracefully taking a lot of verbal abuse.
00:21:15
Speaker
Do you think he gets too much shit or like what's your take? Do you think that it was the beginning of the end for him when he went after Will Ospreay and then smugly declared that he was in the best pro wrestling company in the world? Because was there a segment of the fan base that viewed Rollins as, he used to be Tyler Black. He's kind of an indie guy who made it to the top of WWE. And then when he got to WWE, I was like, nah, this is the place to be, dog. Everyone was like, well, that's not what we wanted to hear.
00:21:45
Speaker
Well, yeah, when John Cena and Roman Reigns go out and suck WWE's dick, you're like, well, that's their job. They're the champion. I don't fault John Cena for going out and saying it's the best wrestling on the planet. And I know he doesn't believe that. And when Seth Rollins comes out and we're all like, finally, it's somebody different as the belt. It's a guy we like. And then he's going out there saying things like they're fact, like it's good.
00:22:10
Speaker
You can't, you can't say that, it's not. But what's so funny is I feel like, and I don't know if it's because of where they're positioned in the company or on the car, but it's funny because it's, that pairing of Seth and Becky on screen did so much damage to Seth. And I feel like it didn't do almost any damage whatsoever to Becky.
00:22:36
Speaker
And what's funny is when they did the interviews after that, it was like Becky understood. She was like, they don't want to hear about us being a couple on screen and being reminded of it every five seconds by Michael Cole. Who the fuck wants to hear that? But I feel like Seth's over there like, come on guys, you can't shit on us this much. That's not fair. Give us a chance. I don't, I mean, he doesn't have the belt anymore. And I have a feeling that we're not, we haven't seen the last of Rollins being upset at us.
00:23:05
Speaker
I mean, all indicators that he's gonna turn heel, right? Like he's gonna roll with this? What's he gonna say that's gonna get people more angry at him as a heel than when he was a face? Maybe just say the same things. Say the exact same thing. Just say, I'm tired of fans complaining about WWE online, and you're immediately the biggest heel.
00:23:32
Speaker
Yeah, but didn't Sammy Zane do that and we all liked him pretty good? It depends on who you are. And you can tell that Sammy's a character and you can see Tyler Black's real self coming through that character and that he's not taking it well. I want Sammy to get the fuck out of there.
00:23:50
Speaker
So bad. There's two or three people that I think need to get the fuck out of there who would be massively successful in other companies. AEW. If they just like I think because I watched AEW
AEW Critiques and Wrestling Dynamics
00:24:05
Speaker
tonight and.
00:24:07
Speaker
I think you and I had the same reaction because I watched some of AEW dark from, you know, from last week and I saw Sean Spears and am I still supposed to be enamored by Sean Spears? Like I'm not trying to throw shade at AEW already, but I'm already kind of over it. You said it best tonight through text. You said there's nothing less cool than watching a guy rush out with a chair in the dark and then sit down like he was calmly there the whole time.
00:24:37
Speaker
See, I think it would be better if we just kept the lights on. Let's lose the magic and see that guy scamper out there. You want to sit down behind the curtain? I do. I want to see him pull that hood down in front of his face.
00:24:49
Speaker
Now, I don't have a problem with Sean Spears. I think he is a good wrestler. I think I need more of his character. I guess he's the chairman. Honestly, the one thing tonight, you pointed this out early on. You said they've already announced so many tag matches for tonight and there was one not tag match the entire night. Well, there were two.
00:25:09
Speaker
Cause the show, they did Brandon Cutler. Oh, that's right. It did open with Trent versus pack. They opened with Trent versus pack and they did Brandon Cutler versus Sean Spears. And, but there was something weird when they were showing, here's the matches for tonight. And all of the ones that they highlighted were tag matches, whether it was, um, first of all, once again, dark order, don't get it, but they had a pretty good match with private party.
00:25:36
Speaker
Yeah, it wasn't bad. It was a pretty good match. They did the women's tag match with Rio and Shanna against, why am I blanking on their names? I'm letting you do this when I didn't write any names down this time and I'm still getting familiar. Anyway, I fuckin' know the one's name, I don't know about the other. But I can't even think of any name right now. And I will tell you the name of neither. I will tell you the name of neither right now.
00:26:06
Speaker
But again, and that was maybe match of the night. Honestly, was the one that was really that was really good. Actually, I take that back. The main event was pretty fucking ball or two. I was pretty excited about Trent versus Peck. It was a good match. I think I'm getting frustrated. I think I feel like I'm getting blue balls by their roster. I don't know if you're feeling the same frustration, but there's people I would love to see on that show wrestling. And I feel like I'm just getting a lot of tag shit.
00:26:35
Speaker
And if it's tag stuff that's moving the stories forward, like some of that I get, but I feel like that's all I'm getting is stories moving forward through tag matches. And I mean, that's how New Japan does it though. And it works for them. Is it working for AEW? I'm not, I mean, was there any tag match you saw tonight that you felt like you were watching Boring Wrestling or that you weren't invested in?
00:27:00
Speaker
But I'll say this, there's tag matches I watched tonight that I would have rather seen that time occupied by watching a couple singles wrestlers. Like the fact that I'm at a point now where I want to watch either a Jake Hager wrestle or an Orange Cassidy or a Jimmy Havoc or a Joey Janela or name a guy. Like where's Darby Allen right now?
00:27:25
Speaker
Well, I think that's why you also have to tune into Dark on Tuesdays so that you can see some of those other people. And I understand that.
00:27:33
Speaker
I do think that Dark has been great for that. You kind of forget how deep their roster is, where this week on Dark, Big Swole and Mercedes Martinez showed up. And you got to see them all out, but you hadn't really seen or heard from them since, so to see them pop up again just made me really excited. So let me push back on that a little bit. Why not throw one of these tag matches on AEW Dark?
00:27:59
Speaker
I mean, they do have tag matches on AEW Dark. Well, great, but they have three on the fucking main show tonight. Well, based off of what I saw last week on AEW Dark, it seemed like they had to throw in some comedy matches on AEW Dark so that JR wouldn't see them and somebody else could run commentary.
00:28:18
Speaker
Does he have something in his contract where he's just like, I'm not doing that shit. I'm not gonna do commentary for Orange Cassidy's kicks. I can't handle it. He's like, I will not go out there and I will not do commentary when Michael Nakazawa slides out of Sean Speer's arms.
00:28:37
Speaker
Again, I'm not trying to rip an AEW, but you've heard the same criticism out of me for two or three shows now where I've said, God, fucking a lot of tag matches. And that's something I associate with WWE, I guess, is their way of like, we're gonna work everybody on our roster onto the show. I'm not asking that they do that. And I'm also not asking for them to have the same people on the show every week. It's one of the things that actually makes it special when a guy shows up. I don't mind.
00:29:05
Speaker
guys taking the week off, but I feel like this would be a really good time for MJF to wrestle, so people could get to know him as a wrestler, as not just the character. That's true, we really haven't seen him wrestle much, have we? No, there's plenty, we haven't seen Jake Hager wrestle yet. I did like his bit tonight when they were showing Jericho's promo, and every time it cut to Hager, he wasn't talking.
00:29:32
Speaker
Oh my, Derek. So remember when we were like, where the fuck was he last week? And it turned out he really did have a Bellator fight. That's what I said, isn't it? Wasn't that my guess? And I believe I said, who the fuck's having a fight on a Wednesday? Well, I don't think it was, I don't know if it was actually on Wednesday, but I watched the fight on YouTube. Holy shit, Derek.
00:29:56
Speaker
This was a hilarious fight. First of all, and why are you watching Bellator? Because it popped up on YouTube. And you were like, this is worth my, I'm into MMA now. Well, no, my thought was it's Jake Hager and I haven't seen him wrestle here yet, so I got to see what he missed the show for. So outside of hit the cage, no joke, his entire ring crew was wearing inner circle shirts. Right.
00:30:20
Speaker
and outside the cage was Sammy Guevara and LAX and they were cheering him on and it looked so weird and you know the other guy had to be like this is fucking weird for me I'm trying to fight here and you've got this going on so the match is Jake Hager versus a guy who looked a little less in shape than Jake Hager. Jake Hager
00:30:43
Speaker
at one point in this need this guy in the balls and he fell down and the referee decided hey that was an accident no harm no foul don't do it again later a few minutes into this match Jake Hager knees this guy in the dick so fucking hard that they had to stop the match
00:31:01
Speaker
And Jake Hager looked disappointed. Like, the match is over now. It's like, so you hit him there twice? He need him in the balls twice on accident. It was determined it was an accident, but after the second time they had to stop it because he fucking wailed on that guy's dick with his knee.
00:31:17
Speaker
And he had a look on his face like he was disappointed in the other guy. I'm like, you just hit him in the balls. Also, I don't know what this says about you. I have no idea. I'm not that big into MMA. Is this good? Is this what you do? Tony Khan probably whispered to him. I was like, dude, you know how cool this would look if you knocked this guy the fuck out? Like this would make AEW look legit. And then he goes out there and knees him in the balls twice, which would be a disqualification in professional wrestling. So the match just gets stopped and it looks a little less cool. So it was a blown opportunity.
00:31:46
Speaker
It is so weird when a match just ends because the guy won't stop hitting the other guy's dick. And they're like, no, you can't hit this guy in the dick. I don't care if it's an accident. Quit it. But he didn't lose technically, right? Um, I think it was a no contest. So it had a WWE finish.
00:32:05
Speaker
That's a damn good joke, Garrett. You should be proud of that. Thank you. But no, it was it was hilarious to watch that. I'd never seen like I was kind of excited to see how he was as a fighter. And when it ends in a very heelish way. So what is this? I didn't think MMA ended like this.
00:32:24
Speaker
Wouldn't you say, going back to what I was talking about, wouldn't you say, though, you're itching to see some, like, I guess it was an interesting choice to have a show like they did tonight where they have a fuckload of tag matches, but then one of their singles matches is like they pulled a guy from a tag team to be in a singles match. That did make me happy, though, that they recognized that Trent is very good.
00:32:51
Speaker
Trent may be very good, but if he's gonna be a tag team wrestler, isn't that a spot you can put another singles guy in? Hmm. Aren't you itching to see an Orange Cassidy match at this point? Just to know how that's gonna work. You know they're holding out. They are holding out. They're gonna give us a, when is that gonna happen and what will it even be like? Who's it against? Fuck, I don't know. Moxley. Hardcore match.
00:33:19
Speaker
I don't have a problem with the singles matches being on the pay-per-views. To me, once again, it's the way New Japan builds where you can have multiple guys and you can get multiple stories going at the same time in a tag match.
00:33:35
Speaker
It makes me feel like, I don't know, I wanna have a reason to tune in. And part of the reason I tune in is for that particular show. And some, I don't know. I don't know, Derek. It's still very early, Derek. It's still very early. We're gonna give them some time. I'm giving them all the time that they need. I'm just letting you know.
00:33:59
Speaker
This is it's been noted as a go home to full gear though How did you think it was like did I thought that Indian was really hot like everybody piling on and also? Fucking credit to Cody. We got to get to that later Yeah, I thought I thought the show was kind of just the middle mediocre part of the show was whatever I thought Pony I thought Cody's promo
00:34:26
Speaker
was one of the best promos I've seen in years. He's so good. He is so good. When are we gonna start giving out acting awards to wrestlers? He gets one. He definitely gets one, and I think people, and I wasn't kidding, people need to take notes. And how do you feel about the stipulation being added to his match with Jericho that if he loses, he doesn't get a shot at the championship as long as he has an AEW? I would be very, very shocked if he loses.
00:34:56
Speaker
if Cody loses? I can't picture him never getting a title shot again. Here's what I think. I think Cody's totally gonna lose. It's pro wrestling. That whole stipulation, they can fix down the line. No, they can't. Yes, they can. But he said that he wouldn't. Yeah, well.
00:35:22
Speaker
How many guys have been retired in a match in Pro Wrestling and then back a few months later? It happens. Honestly, I love the stipulation. I love that it adds a whole other level of drama to it. It makes you feel like
00:35:38
Speaker
Cody has to win this, which is what they wanted. That's what they were going for. It's not just that Cody wants to be champion. Now he has to be champion. Otherwise there's no point in him hanging around as, as a wrestler anymore. And I think him failing to win the championship. If it happens the way I see it happening will be a very dramatic moment because I'm still sticking to my guns that somebody's going to fucking cost him that match. I think it'll be hangman. Do you think they'll tease that it's MJF, but it'll be hangman.
00:36:09
Speaker
I think either one of those makes sense. Or they could start their own thing. I mean, if you think of things out of order, sometimes you can, like, there's a lot of possibilities that pop up. Like, obviously when you start thinking about the way they're gonna put the car together for full gear, Kenny Omega and Moxley's closing that show, right?
00:36:32
Speaker
See, that's what I assume, but the way they've been building this show up and talking about it, it almost seems like there's a lights out match in the middle of the pay-per-view.
00:36:42
Speaker
Well, who knows? I did love when omega said to him, quit acting like you're disappointed. This is a hardcore match. What were you going to do? Go out there and chain wrestle me? Oh, the shit between them has been great. And I feel like it's not getting enough credit, because it was supposed to happen at all out, and then it didn't. But they've done a really good job of building this back up, using that time off. And the tension between them has been great. Keep in mind, this has been building.
00:37:10
Speaker
When did you go to a fucking double or nothing? It was over the summer, right? Yeah. That's, I mean, this match between Kenny and Moxley has been building since then. Good Lord. Holy shit, you're right. Yeah, that was the closing of the pay-per-view. Yes.
00:37:28
Speaker
So this has been in the works for a long time, and this is a big pay-per-view coming up. But I was sitting there thinking tonight, of all the possibilities, as soon as that stipulation got announced for the Cody Jericho match, I was like, this is perfect, because it's going to make his loss to Jericho that much more devastating. And there's so much incentive for somebody on that roster. I mean, think about it. Not even just for Jericho.
00:37:54
Speaker
From a pro wrestling storyline perspective, to have a guy on the roster who can't be champion,
00:38:02
Speaker
There's a lot of reason for hangman to cost his fellow elite man that that opportunity There's a lot of reason for him. I mean think of the heat MJF would get This is what they saved that up for that would be good cuz coat I mean just obey the storyline for a while if Cody can't ever be a ew champion and
00:38:24
Speaker
I mean, what was that promo they did a week or two ago where they even interviewed MJF for it and he said, you know, Cody feels like he had like MJF knows how important being champion is to Cody. He said it in the fucking video and to have him know that and then be the one to take that away from him forever. But and this is important and I'm throwing this out there. I don't know how the card is going to shake out. What if it's Kenny?
00:38:53
Speaker
We get heal Kenny back they asked and like the the being the elite episode a few back They wanted the cleaner to come back Well, he's back he's got his broom he's got his broom but him going back to being a fucking a fucking jerk
00:39:16
Speaker
I like it. There's a lot of options. They're doing a lot right right now. I'm enjoying it. And one thing we need to mention, the commentary team for AEW Dark this last week.
00:39:30
Speaker
Yeah, I think I thought MJF was fucking spectacular. That made him be having to begrudgingly give people compliments. And what would be funny is there were times that he would be trying to do genuine commentary and Excalibur would have to step in and be like, you're just doing commentary right now. That's not you don't mean what you said. Like he said at one point, he's like speaking as a wrestler, there's nothing that hurts more than a really good chop.
00:40:01
Speaker
and Excalibur's like also speaking as a former wrestler. That's not true. There's a lot that hurts a lot worse than a job. But you know, it's funny when I was listening to him do commentary. I think he has a future in that.
00:40:20
Speaker
Oh, for sure. It was that weird of me to come to that conclusion this early in his career. I don't know if he had ever done it before, but if this was a test to put him out there and see how it goes, he had, yes, he could be the best heel commentator ever with a little work. Absolutely. That was the first thing. I know that we're talking about AEW dark. Going back to tonight's AEW, you had to have a big smile on your face.
00:40:47
Speaker
at that fucking reaction that Joey Janela got coming out and attacking Sean Spears. Because that crowd immediately went fucking ape shit for Joey Janela. You saying that right now, no joke just gave me goosebumps. Like just thinking back to him getting that pop. Honestly, seeing anyone come through that curtain and get the pops they've been getting on AEW makes me so, so happy that it just shows that there's more of us out there.
00:41:15
Speaker
We know who these guys are. It turns out, you know, we weren't all just in bingo halls. There's a lot more of us. Do you feel like you have something to prove with the success of AEW?
00:41:26
Speaker
Do you feel like that, like something about like, I don't know how to put it. Do you feel like as much as you've built these guys up and do you feel like a part of your reputation is on the line with the success or failure of this company? That's honestly, I had been building these guys up for so many years to friends that don't watch wrestling. If they end up on, you know, they're on actual television now, uh, playing arenas and you know, part of it does feel like, see, I wasn't wrong and they are talented. They made it.
00:41:58
Speaker
I just know that, you know, however many months ago, we did an episode where we took time to try to cheer up Joey Janela because we had heard he was going through a rough time and he was convinced that, you know, months into AEW that he was just going to be the jobber.
00:42:19
Speaker
And I don't see that, especially after tonight. I don't. I think that there's actually a good segment of that fan base that's invested in his future and him being successful and his match with Kenny where he went toe to toe with Kenny last week. Was that last week? Yeah, they had two of those matches. Yeah, he took maybe the best V trigger of all time. When he just passed out and was draped over the ropes.
00:42:48
Speaker
I'm just, it's exciting to see these different personalities having success in their own ways. And I think that's part of the reason I'm so anxious to see some of these other singles wrestlers get going is I want to see the crowd react. And I don't know, I'm ready to see, I'm just, I'm so ready for more AEW. Every week I'm excited for the show. You know what I'm very excited about. What's that?
Live Event Anticipation and Debates
00:43:15
Speaker
A week from today they're in Nashville.
00:43:18
Speaker
Yeah, that's true. When I was listening to the show tonight, they mentioned that they're gonna be in Nashville next week, and then I thought, oh shit, how are we gonna record that week?
00:43:29
Speaker
Yeah, my guess is we're either gonna record a little late, or we might just have to release the episode a little later in the evening on Thursday night so that you and I can record, you know, later in the day. Well, that's probably what we'll end up doing because I definitely wanna make sure you get your reactions from the show, because that's gonna be the focal point of what, because again, that's, you've been to some AEW shows already, Garrett, but they've all been pay-per-views. This is your first live on TNT AEW event.
00:43:58
Speaker
So I'm very curious to see how they pack this place out because the last time I went to a Ring of Honor show at this venue, not a lot of people there. But the time before that, like the height of the elite in Ring of Honor, that place was packed. And I'm hoping that we can get it, you know, that building that full again. I'm sure it will.
00:44:21
Speaker
Are you looking forward to, like, how good are your seats for that one? Uh, I'm second row, so you should see me on TV. Oh my god, are you on... Oh, you're gonna be front and center? Um, I'm not front and... I should be, I think, on the ramp side. So I'll be like second row ramp side on the right. Well, we'll definitely be looking for you, Garrett.
00:44:43
Speaker
Speaking of another live show, you and I need to discuss this. So before we recorded last week, you and I discussed possibly not going to Survivor Series anymore. Correct. And I was 100% ready to sell those things.
00:44:59
Speaker
And then Friday Night Smackdown happened. And they had to break the glass in case of emergency. And yes, Derek, I know they had a great Friday Night Smackdown. I know that when we go to this, I'm gonna watch Roman Reigns probably kill Matt Riddle. But...
00:45:18
Speaker
I kind of think if I were to ever give WWE one final live pay-per-view chance for me to go to, this might be the one worth going to. It is the most different Survivor Series to happen yet. Because you're going to get to see Brock Lesnar versus Rey Mysterio for the WWE Championship.
00:45:38
Speaker
On Monday night, Ray Mysterio runs out with what looks like a fucking wiffle ball bat and starts whacking Brock Lesnar in the knees. And the commentators didn't even know what to say. They're like, he's got, he's got something. Is it bad or a lead pipe? And later they kept saying lead pipe. I'm like, I have no idea what that is, but it definitely doesn't look like it hurts very much. It sounded like a wiffle ball bat. I can confirm that that's at least what it sounded like. I don't know what the fuck it was. But going back to Survivor Series,
00:46:08
Speaker
I'm still super skeptical on WWE. And it wasn't like I had mentioned to you months ago that I could see them incorporating NXT into the Survivor Series show. It sounds to me, or at least it appears to be, that they incorporated NXT not because this was the plan all along but because they had to. Yes, and that's what has me interested.
00:46:36
Speaker
But don't, it feels kind of hollow. Like it just feels like, if there's not any long-term, again, this has nothing to do with you not selling tickets or whatever. Is this like, are you genuinely excited or are you just like, I'm giving you one more chance? This is, I kind of know where it's headed, but you and I both enjoy a good triple threat match. This seems like it's going to be an entire evening of triple threat matches.
00:47:07
Speaker
or so far, and some of the matches they've announced sound like they'd be pretty damn fun. But also. We got Shayna Baszler versus Becky Lynch. Becky versus Bailey. We have the Revival versus War Machine versus undisputed era. We got AJ Styles versus Roderick Strong versus Nakamura. Really? I don't think I knew that one. They're gonna do a triple threat match with all the mid-tier titles.
00:47:38
Speaker
But these are all non-title matches? Well, yeah. They're just for pride. Yeah. Except for Rey Mysterio versus Brock Lesnar. That's for the WWE Championship. And don't you forget it. That's going to be good. And me and you have never seen Brock together.
00:47:54
Speaker
Is that true? I don't think. When would we have seen him together? Well, we went to Money in the Bank last summer, so... Was he there then? Was he? No. No. I don't think so. No, no, no, no. But the other thing is, if I were going to drive up, which I am now, I'm driving, it's way too fucking expensive to fly now, so I'm gonna make this eight-hour drive the night before I get to see Candice LeRae in a War Games match. At the very least, that's what I'm driving up for.
00:48:25
Speaker
Well, we're gonna give it the old college try, Garrett. We're gonna go enjoy the WWE. Maybe for the last time. Not like the last time ever watching it, but honestly, this could be possibly the last time ever. We gotta make this real clickbaity. Yeah.
00:48:45
Speaker
this may be the last time predetermined a pro wrestling podcast ever talks about WWE it may come to an end at Survivor Series see this promo I'm cutting I'm impressed also we honestly we have pretty good seats to Survivor Series so it could be fun
00:49:04
Speaker
I think we'll have fun regardless. Honestly, I just want to come up and hang out with you and watch wrestling, so that's partially why I don't want to cancel this. But also, it's an NXT Survivor Series. That's new and different. If they all end up getting squashed and we're sad, all I'll have to do is drive home eight hours sad and be like, yep, that went the way I thought it would go. What did I learn? What did I learn?
00:49:26
Speaker
Oh, but if it does make you feel better, Garrett, I was walking down the street today after getting lunch and I saw a poster hanging up in one of the bars near my neighborhood, North Bar. And guess who's going to be performing stand up after Survivor Series, Survivor Series weekend. God damn it. Um, Dolph Ziggler. Yes, sir. Right down the street from my apartment.
00:49:49
Speaker
So do we hustle back and go see Dolph do stand up? I don't hustle to see Dolph go do wrestling.
00:49:59
Speaker
Well, I'll leave that up to you. Interpret that how you will. Well, all right. Well, we'll see what happens. Are we going to comment at all about Vince McMahon leaving his roster in Saudi Arabia? Yeah, that seems not cool. I've definitely worked for some people I thought would do that to me. You know how they have that WWE podcast network thing and Corey Graves got his own show. I guess he was already off.
00:50:20
Speaker
I'm gonna get so much shit from certain people for saying this, not that I'll ever give a shit, but he was already on spin control saying that this is just what Vince does all the time. It's nothing out of the ordinary as soon as the show's over for Vince to get on his jet and leave because he's busy, he's running WWE, he's gotta get the fuck out of town.
00:50:41
Speaker
And I think he was trying to make it seem like, well, this is normal. He didn't do anything weird. Like there are people that are important. Brock Lesnar and Hulk Hogan and and Tyson Fury and all like all those guys had every reason to get in their jets and leave, including Ms. McMahon.
00:50:58
Speaker
And I think he thought he was going to make Vince look better by saying this happens every time they do a show. But in my opinion, it made it look worse because it was like if there was ever a scenario for him to not do that, maybe into the scenario where all of these horrible things and all these rumors that people were spreading, those were possibilities that could have happened. Maybe they didn't.
00:51:22
Speaker
Corey Graves like this happens all the time. One of the the tours for the troops, we accidentally left Hornswoggle in the Middle East for six months. And you're just like, oh, I'm glad that's coming out now. I just I thought it was like, again, it was we were listing all the PR disasters and all that shit. And it's just like, God damn, man, like what if something had happened?
00:51:49
Speaker
That's why it truly felt like a, you know, break the glass in case of emergency. Get Adam Cole out there. We gotta make Garrett smile. Make him smile. But it's funny. Did you see all the like the social media posts from the rest were wrestlers saying that they were just lazy and didn't want it like they were condescendingly.
00:52:09
Speaker
giving responses that they felt like the company would give to them for this for this issue? Oh, well, that was because they made that post saying that like some of the wrestlers that were really dedicated to getting back chartered their own plane. Right. And what was it? Most of them were tweeting out hashtag not top 20. Like, yeah. How come that's not being talked about more?
00:52:34
Speaker
like we're basically the wrestlers we're acknowledging yeah this is what this is what he means when he says you don't want the brass ring enough is that you're not chartering your own flight with your own money that I give you and then they up their contract for the Saudi Arabia thing even longer
00:52:51
Speaker
See, I thought that if anyone really gave a shit, I think if Roman Reigns gave a shit, he would have showed up on NXT tonight and fought the entire fucking roster on his own. And he didn't. Maybe Roman likes the NXT guys and doesn't like everybody else.
00:53:08
Speaker
I wanna see a match between Roman Reigns and anyone on NXT right now. Anyone? No. Keith Lee? Keith Lee, specifically. Dijakovic? See, I was worried you were gonna be like Kona Reeves. I'm like, get the fuck outta here. I would love to see Roman Reigns. I guess, are they gonna do a traditional Survivor Series match with NXT guys? It kinda seems like that, right? It was weird because on Friday,
00:53:37
Speaker
They kind of worded it as if Raw and SmackDown were teamed up against NXT, but that was quickly squashed on Monday when it just seems like it's gonna be, are we really gonna get a triple threat survivor series match? That was my idea. They're stealing my idea from months ago, Garrett. That sounds awesome, though. It does sound awesome.
00:53:59
Speaker
See, now I'm excited for Survivor Series. Good job, you sold me on it. Maybe the last WWE event we ever attend. Would you ever thought, though, that the last WWE event you would ever attend is a Survivor Series where Keith Lee and Matt Riddle are in Survivor Series? Nope. This is not how I see this playing out. I'm wondering who they do pick and would they have a Women's Survivor Series match as well? We'll just have to wait and see, man. We still have a couple more weeks.
00:54:29
Speaker
Also, what the fuck are they doing? Are they building up war games to be a regular pay-per-view, but then they're also fighting the next night? Like, does Shayna have a match at war games?
00:54:40
Speaker
I thought so. That's weird, right? They're wrestling twice that weekend, but I guess technically those other people have to wrestle on Friday and Monday, so... Holy shit, you're right. Are they doing SmackDown in Chicago too? Yeah. So they're spending the whole weekend there. They're spending Friday through Monday. That's too much. Well, you tell them that. Dolph Ziggler's putting an overtime here in my neighborhood.
00:55:08
Speaker
That's some me time for Dolfy. That's some ignore time for Derek. That's about the time Dolf goes on is probably about the time you and I record a podcast about Survivor Series. Probably so. Well, Derek, we're nearing the end of this show. Yeah, I thought I saw Terminator Dark Fate.
00:55:33
Speaker
I saw that you liked it. It was wonderful. I would have never expected that. I haven't been invested in a Terminator movie in years. I went to see this just as something to do. They set up right from the beginning that it's going to be different than the others, and it was in a very good way. It is probably, you know, other than T2, best sequel now.
00:55:55
Speaker
That wasn't hard to do, but I'm just saying. Fair enough. It's making zero dollars, so there probably won't be another Terminator forever. But if you have ever been a fan of the Terminator franchise, this is kind of the movie you've been waiting for. Was this the first movie Linda Hamilton has done in a long time? Yes. What, since Dante's Peak, maybe. I don't remember. Yeah, that was like the late 90s. Wow. Were you a Dante's Peak boy or a volcano boy?
00:56:22
Speaker
I saw, here's the thing, I owned the Dante's Peak VHS and watched it a lot, but I saw Volcano in Theaters. I saw Volcano in Theaters and rented Dante's Peak.
00:56:36
Speaker
Yeah. I was I was more of a fan of volcano. You didn't own either of them, though. I know I've never owned a peak or a volcano. Well, Dante's Peak was more scientifically accurate. See, that's how we're ending a pro wrestling show is debate which volcano movie from the late 90s was was better. I think the volcano was more relatable.
00:56:59
Speaker
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00:57:22
Speaker
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00:57:48
Speaker
We actually do get downloads in Sweden, Derek. Well, let's blow up there. That's not enough. We need more. There's never enough Sweden. Never enough. How did you find us? I appreciate that you did. I don't know how you found us. You're listening to us right now and I love you for it. Thank you so much. Feedback, predeterminedpodcastatgmail.com. Give us the feedback. Give us the fanfiction. Garrett, get us the hell out of here.
00:58:16
Speaker
Listen, if you have something to say about the lighthouse, hit us up on Twitter. I'm ready to talk about it. Derek saw the mermaid vagina. I saw the mermaid vagina. I just, you know, I like this movie. It's two people going crazy in a lighthouse and yelling at each other. At one point, Rob Pattinson says he'd love to fuck a steak. I think it's relatable. All right. Thanks for listening, everybody. Next week, we'll probably the show will come out a little bit later because I will be attending AEW. But yeah, I'm ready to talk full gear and do all the things.
00:59:13
Speaker
Hit our goddamn music, man.