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Fantasy in Terms of Liberation
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Helming the 'Fantasy in Terms of Liberation' project is multi-disciplinary artist Julienne Baptiste, aka PCP, and director and artist Christopher Diana-Peebles. Hailing from Ocean City, MD.
Baptiste has called Portland, Oregon home since 2015. Her background includes a focus on dance, theater and music, which all come into play throughout the film.
Baptiste most recently gained notice as front woman of rock trio Dirty Princess. Baptiste and Diana-Peebles initially worked together on imagery for the band before developing this Fantasy in Terms of Liberation project as collaborators.
As a founding member of the Futro Collective, Christopher began making music videos and other visual content after moving to Portland over 15 years ago. Diana-Peebles’ credits include the independent films Malignant, Unicorn and The Tree, with a passion for working on imagery on behalf of local non-profits like experimental technology collective CETI, p:ear and media center Open Signal in an effort to further their important social reach.
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Transcript
Introduction and Podcast Overview
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You are listening to something rather than nothing. Creator and host Ken Volante. Editor and producer Peter Bauer.
00:00:17
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know what the show uh like even the type of uh the type of guests and like dropping into different things which i'm sure that you see you know like um trying to have it to be a space that like i found out over time um like conversations and like talking to folks and uh like organizing connecting around arts and it's like there's so much
00:00:43
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like huge like um potential like for people to feel connected in in in this type of way as wait like well you're the you're you're you're the fucking queen this is your third episode so you know thanks for having me on here um i appreciate it because i love talking about like the subjects that you have in and um i guess press really isn't like a thing
00:01:13
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I shouldn't say that. Recently, we're focused on press. I'll say that. I'll say that recently, we've been focused on press in other ways.
00:01:26
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Yeah, I mean, I think that the best way to grow authentically is just connecting with other people in your community and lifting each other's creative basis, whatever it may be, you know, so thank you.
00:01:45
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Yeah, I dig that.
Featuring Guest Jules Baptiste
00:01:47
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Hey everybody, we're talking with Jules, but in going back a little bit, oh, Jules Baptiste. Episode 57, Jules, was when you were on with the Dirty Princess. Episode 57. Wow, yeah. Yeah, so this shows that 209 episodes, you were also snuck in a special in-person recording in Portland, episode 143, as Miss
00:02:14
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PCP 3k talking early on about some of the components of fantasy in terms of liberation film project and reaching you now Over there in Portland and we're chatting with with this this being a reality this showing up on the big screen I got a couple tickets to the showing later in this month, but we're closer to this now We talked with you a little while back already like, you know, I
00:02:43
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back on that episode but talk about the film talk about what's going on right now and where folks see it and you know all that stuff yeah i love that you said um
00:02:59
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It's really fun to see all the iterations. I'm happy that they're on your show to see Dirty Princess and then see the liminal space, PCP 3K, and now I am PCP. No 3K. It gets shorter and shorter. It's kind of like, so it has to be called P. Yeah.
00:03:22
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Hey, I work with artists. You know, I talk with artists moving around in names. Like when I first started the show, I'd be like, well, what's going on there now? You have to point it out to me for me to notice. But yes, very important, though. PCP reaching you with it. Yeah. So it's interesting the development. So so here we are. Here we are talking now. So yeah, lead us into the into the. Yeah, I'll talk to you about the film. So
00:03:49
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Yeah, fantasy in terms of liberation is basically was my way of going through tests to get an outcome of
00:04:08
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something basically I was in a transitional period I was faced with so much that allowed that made me have to change and it was insane like basically this piece is a um
00:04:24
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fantastical way to represent personal integration and change. So people want me to dive deep into the film, but it is really just up for interpretation for wherever you are in your life is how you are going to take it in. Um, I left it pretty vague and each
00:04:49
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Act, act one is honor the head. Act two is honor the spine, knotted and woven between hearts and minds. And act three is resistance is my inspiration. So I put clues in there, but I really want it to be interpreted by the person who's viewing it.
Creative Process and Enlightenment
00:05:11
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Like I said, it's all narrated by sound. There is a small portion that is a little bit of narration.
00:05:22
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But yeah, it really is just an interpretive piece. And it's less about the storyline and more about how you are affected within it. The live show is something that we're doing that's going to really immerse you into the state, the state of mind. I really enjoyed in Dirty Princess.
00:05:49
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you know, putting little sense around, trying to immerse. This was like when I, you know, all these ideas were circulating, but I had limited knowledge and awareness in order to keep them to grow these ideas. And now that I'm working on fantasy in terms of liberation, I can really go as far as I want in this space with the information that I was given, um,
00:06:22
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in this vessel piece because basically, you know, I was just following dreams, prayer, meditation when making this film. So I didn't even know what it was about yet until
00:06:41
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probably around January, February. So there was a storyline and it would go part by part, but I realized that I had to go through each iteration of evolving in order to really tell the story. So that's also why it took so long because I had to go through a lot of deep meditation, a lot of
00:07:10
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Ooh, self integration. It was basically about, for lack of a better word, enlightenment. I hate using that word because I feel like it's, it's not fine. It's not final. You know, and like, you're not like,
00:07:31
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Oh, but enlightened for this cycle of my life. Basically, it's clarity. If you are clouded by trauma, bad experience, self-doubt, etc., you're not able to create in your full capacity.
00:07:54
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because you don't have full clarity. So basically, that's what it was. And it's funny, because I listened back to the old interview that we did. And it is hidden in my peak of insanity for a process.
00:08:17
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thinking about each component of it. Yeah, there's something that you mentioned that I actually thought a lot, like right when you mentioned it, you know, as my mind goes on its path and listening to you, but it had to do with the enlightenment. And this is a nuanced way of understanding it. Because I understand, like, at first you want to say, like, maybe nowadays, 2023, America, enlightenment, right?
00:08:45
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You know, there's a lot of it, right? And there's a lot. Right. Right. Yeah, there's a lot of just like that's why I don't like to use the word enlightenment because it has been like bashed into this new age of
00:09:06
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what I like to say is like knowing more, like being more aware or something, but it's really not that. It's actually, it's like you end up knowing less and you actually just kind of trust the process. I remember having a meditation and you know, saying,
00:09:33
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inviting, before I go into like a music session or whatever, I'll just say, I invite God into the room. And that means like, I invite whatever wants to lead me. Coltrane did that too. Invited God into the room. John Coltrane. So you invite that and that's what you're trying to move towards, right?
00:10:00
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Right, I mean, it's not, and it's funny because I needed, I think, okay, so let me just scope out just from my experiences here for a second. I believe that the earth and the world and society around us is going through a huge change. And that's why I was excited for us to also touch on punk rock.
00:10:28
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This punk rock is not the same either. And the way it is represented is going to change as well.
00:10:40
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Um, so I basically just wanted to be a mirror of what I thought was happening into the, in the world. Um, and that's what fantasy in terms of liberation is. It's a mirror of what I feel like the process is a lot of people are going to go through. And I feel like right now that starting to be more of a conversation and, um,
Community and Authenticity in Punk
00:11:08
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I'm excited to see how people will take this in. Yeah, I just feel like punk rock, all that stuff. If we're talking about the literal punk rock, studded shirts and whatever, I feel like that is now a conformity.
00:11:35
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And it doesn't say anything. Right now, I think like hip hop, rap, black culture is punk rock. And it's funny because I don't think I'm going to really touch a lot on spirit in the next project. It's mostly going to be about community.
00:11:57
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But yeah, I'm just going I'm just going with the flow and whatever. And the thing and the thing is, Jules, one of the things that I think just to on on enlightenment, I think it's all recoverable. I mean, I have a strong perspective steeped in kind of a Mahayana Buddhist background and study. And the idea with enlightenment is and also with like kind of Buddha looking in like mindfulness meditation in that term is like it makes sense a lot of what you're talking about, because
00:12:27
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The whole problem with or was thought to be a problem within Buddhism prior to Mayana was that like the Buddha become like godlike. The Buddha become some sort of super like human symbol of enlightenment. And then in the history of Buddhism, that shit's just broken to like absolutely nothing, just broken apart. It's like, look,
00:12:49
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There are cycles towards enlightenment, right? You can be in an enlightened being and it's not like you won the jackpot then there is no jackpot There's no universal jackpot and it's like, you know, and if you think about obviously it's a complicated theology of reincarnation as such but there's the idea that
00:13:09
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Yes, enlightenment being beyond suffering or moving beyond unnecessary suffering because we all suffer. And so that it's, you don't win. Nobody wins over death. Nobody wins wins in this blunt reality to it. So it makes a lot, for me, what you were saying about the enlightenment bit, trying to avoid that, it makes sense in the terms of evolution that you're talking about because that's what it's geared towards. It's another cycle.
00:13:38
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It's another shedding shedding, I think maybe a little bit of loss in in in game, you know, I heard that in what you were saying as far as like, there's, you know, losing of things on learning, probably, on learning, definitely. Um, and also, you know, when I was younger, I was focused, I was focused on like, really superficiality of a
00:14:08
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you know, I guess rising, you know, like, like being, you know, like a star or whatever, you know, and I guess in a lot of different meditation, it was like, how, how will you take on, let's say notoriety or fame? If you're unhappy,
00:14:36
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And it comes in, you can't control and you can also can control that whatever comes in, you can't control that either for yourself. Like as it comes in with the, whether it's notoriety or otherwise, can you handle it? Right? Absolutely. It was basically like, can you even handle that? Like you are, and also like, that's not the route. Like that's not going to bring you happiness. I think I might've said this in, um,
00:15:07
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In the other podcast that we did, it was like, go deep, not wide. Don't spread your name all over the world. You don't need to do that. You need to really just bring something. You need to travel in and
00:15:26
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Um, that's what I did. And yeah, I don't want to push that idea on anybody. Like I feel like it was just made for me. And the reason why I know that I was supposed to go this route is because everything in my life got easier. Everything got easier. Like who supported me. Um,
00:15:51
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people believing in me. Basically I just needed to go on a journey that allows you to believe in yourself. And also like small things, I wanted to bring, I wanted to let people know that it's okay to like retreat. It's okay to start over. It's okay to choose whatever you want. Basically do what you want to do.
00:16:21
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and don't ever stop. And go through things. And I wanted to make basically my process of killing my own self and bringing myself to life. But also, yeah, I love literature. I love
00:16:46
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I had a lot of inspiration from the Bible. One of the quotes I use... So yeah, I'm a vessel and one of the poems from part two, Honor the Spine, it was vigilance and militancy, powerless under thunder and lightning strike.
00:17:17
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So this film is also just about understanding the power of nature, God, whoever you want to associate our planet with. So basically they were saying like us as a species is powerless under thunder and lightning strike. So whatever you try to do basically
00:17:46
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COVID was one of the signs that mother nature has the upper hand, you know, and basically that fantasy in terms of liberation is about understanding that nature has the upper hand and we are just, it's children and
00:18:15
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understanding that we are also nature so that we can ride the wave of power that it bestows upon us. Hey, I'm for that. We've reached PCP over here in Portland and there's a little bit of
00:18:33
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wonderful ghostly noise here there in the background almost choreographed at particular moments from the music that's next door so we have the kind of live podcast element is super to reach is super to reach it we're talking here actually recording everybody on
00:18:51
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on the 4th of July, the complicated holiday of freedom in the United States of America, if, you know, the so-called United States of America today, we have to take... So I wanted to mention something, I wanted the opportunity just to mention something to you, because a lot of times when I'm listening to art or podcasts or viewing art, you think of other artists, and one of the things
00:19:19
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I had mentioned here Jules, maybe an opportunity to tell listeners about this is the podcast that did happen here, which I was just telling Jules a little bit of the background about it. But the reason why I was thinking of Jules is that it's just
00:19:39
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Really important study is done by Aaron Yankee and Mike Crenshaw, activist in the Portland area, about the killing death of Mulagata Sera in the late 80s. And the environment in Portland where punk music, that scene, what it was, what it became was reflective at that time of
00:20:10
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massive, deep racial tension in, you know, super white, late 80s Portland within the scene. And it comported with me experiences of talking to a good friend of mine, Sean Brown of the band Swizz and Dag Nasty talking about the 90s in the DC punk underground.
Punk Rock's Real Meaning and Activism
00:20:36
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And how these places, music, things that we think about, punk music and resistance, the battle was fought by people in the community, like community organizing, resistance, fights, fights, fights, fights for territory to keep
00:20:57
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punk safe with the idea that punk was about difference as well and it's a deeply fascinating podcast and I know a couple times we've chatted and just thinking about Dirty Princess and there's something about punk and the energy and the way you would front a band
00:21:22
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like the way that you would front a band and in your face, that it just seems so much more important to me listening to that show and having some of the personal experiences of friends close to me. Right. Both white and African-American within that and just really seeing the connection of punk and
00:21:49
Speaker
creating safety or not? Because if you lose that, then it's not there. You mentioned a little bit, we were just going to say talk about punk. Does that happen in the punk right now? I think punk takes on a different meaning now. I think especially since
00:22:17
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we're coming and we're coming into a very controlled age. I feel like we like to think that we're not being controlled, but our society now is very much controlled. If we want to look at social media like
00:22:44
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It's really interesting to me because now we have a certain flow that we have to attach to when producing something. So I feel like people change their whole chemistry of their brain to
00:23:06
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fit into the box of like, and I know this sounds minute or small, but it's actually part of a grander scale. Like, oh, to be an artist, you have to post eight times a week and, you know, do this or do that. And it's like, that's control. It's changing and like,
00:23:35
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Now we have all these different genres and ideas and right now I feel like
00:23:42
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The most punk rock thing to do is do you. Like, is to understand yourself and stand fully on your beliefs so that you are not swayed by control. So the most punk rock thing I thought at the time when I was going through this thing was getting in touch with me and my softness.
00:24:12
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and getting in touch with my happiness. Because in a world that's so controlled by expectation,
00:24:23
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I think it's the most punk rock to, um, find happiness. And you understand what I'm saying? It's like happy is based off of, you know, numbers now and happiness is based off of, you know, who you're next to or how much, but we're understanding that that is.
00:24:46
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not the case. So for me, I was like, the most punk rock thing I could do is be happy. And in any situation, you know, I mean, it's not like toxic positivity. I'm talking about joy, authentic joy. Expression and joy. And yeah, I just feel like the world is more controlled than ever.
00:25:15
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So to step away from all that is actually, you know, the punk rock movement. And yeah, with a lot of, I don't know if it was just the area I'm in, but a lot of people who are in the punk rock scene, hardcore scene, whatever, hardcore is a little different, but like,
00:25:35
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I felt so disconnected from that. And I felt like you weren't able to express freely in that environment. It was just like, if you don't have the studded jacket and it was all about superficial stuff and overindulgence, drinking, waking up half-naked.
00:26:03
Speaker
Like I said, I could have been in the wrong scene. But but yeah, but I mean, it's it's it's part of like what there's always that debate inside. What are your resistance? You know, is it is engaging in self harm or are, you know, harming, harming the system, creating disruption and how are you disrupting yourself? You know, right. So I think, yes, but resistance, it wasn't so much about
00:26:33
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the movement, it was more about what I am afraid to take on is what I need to take on. So whatever I'm resisting as a human being that keeps tugging on my tail is what inspires me. In the beginning, it was like,
00:26:57
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You can't make a film. You're not going to finish it. Every every everything on the list, you know, and that's my inspiration. Whenever people tell me like you want that, you got to have that. Yeah, you got to have that. You got to you got to push through that. Yeah.
00:27:19
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Yeah, so unfortunately, and actually, fortunately, I don't have to, like, think about being punk rock. It's like, I'm going to just do what the fuck I want. And and I think that's punk rock enough. I guess I was just really uninspired with the punk rock scene that was happening in Portland. I felt like, especially during 2020, when I wanted to march and I wanted to
00:27:49
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be involved with educating myself further in what was going on. And I went to my punk rock community and spoke out and people were too clouded and uneducated enough, no drive to actually get involved. I just noticed there was a lot of people who put on a big
00:28:16
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thing, but actually didn't show up, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And that was the complicated. I mean, I think it was always like the complicated times because I think a lot of people like kind of, you know, I know I can react, react against the
00:28:32
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I don't know maybe like the lack of depth in it, but there's also like that counterpoint. I always see that like even if you get annoyed by the presence or how authentic it is. There's also a part of me that feels like the display of it is always useful. It's like the.
00:28:49
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It's like the idea, I think, around pride where at certain times there can be a reaction from humans of being like, oh, this corporation put this in pride, put this in pride. But now seeing that actively corporations are being attacked by, whether it's inclusionary marketing, I'm like,
00:29:09
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Yo, they should at least be able to fucking do the inclusionary marketing and use these type of colors without, you know, it's almost like I understand the authentic piece and like reacting against that, but it's always complicated inside of being like. Even the symbols, even what you're putting out still is under attack, still is under attack, right? I mean.
00:29:33
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I guess for the whole LGBTQ thing, I understand why people are getting upset, but I do think that it's awesome that companies, even if it is just for marketing, are able to be like, it's okay to be gay. I don't know. It's silly and there's a lot of different opinions on it.
00:30:00
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And I understand what you're saying. The display of standing out is important, but I don't think it necessarily has to do with a music genre, basically, is what I'm saying. Oh, hell yeah. Yeah. So I really actually have been speaking a lot, who I've been surrounding myself with lately, is not a lot of artists.
00:30:28
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Not a lot of musicians. It's actually people in politics. Oh, yeah. So, yeah, there is this guy who wants to run for city council that really has been pushing me to speak out about a few things because he thinks I'm a good speaker. And actually, those are the people now who are beginning to inspire me because they're in it.
00:30:57
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you know, they are having the hard conversations. They're in there in the fluorescent lighting trying to get something to happen. Like it's not glamorous and it's actually effective and there's this really cool thing happening. The guy who's going to run for city council who I've been speaking a lot with is
00:31:26
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There is this huge flip that's happening in our government in Portland where a bunch of people are about to get fired and he has been planning black creatives, politicians,
00:31:45
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who are hosting meetings every week and they're about to go into our government system in Portland and make a huge flip. So there's been a lot of chat about that and it's been so liberating for me. So I guess to go further into that, I'm like,
00:32:10
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to really make a change is to get in there and actually be involved. And it's just cool to see people actually doing things. And I guess you can relate to that in the sense of like you work for the union, you've got people together, you know, you're, you're actually doing things. So I guess what I was disappointed with in my, um,
00:32:38
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In my experience with the punk rock communities that no one was really brave. I'm like, well, let's go in there and let's like go. There was a policing event that happened in Portland to figure out how we could better police our citizens and like.
00:33:00
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Basically, I want to be around people who are activated. I definitely find myself, I know I'm an activist because with my artwork, with my being, I've activated people.
Upcoming Performance and Community Engagement
00:33:20
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to change their minds or inspire them. So I'm understanding that that is my purpose and however way I make that a reality.
00:33:37
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is what I'm supposed to do here. So I guess that's my bigger thing on the punk rock thing. I was like, well, it's good to shout and scream and have a good time. But how much is changing anything? I really want to be involved with change, not just
00:34:00
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shouting. Well, that's where that's where it moves towards. I mean, I think I just seem to think of terms of the show or like my connection to to the arts. Like I got started like creating, like creating like most everybody accidentally, a good friend of mine who's who's passed away, unfortunately. But she her name is Megan McGroarty and she was working on a
00:34:30
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a documentary about women running for office. We're in 2018, so midterm elections there. Women running for office, kind of see change statistically of people trying to get in there.
00:34:47
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and worked on this documentary. And I had different capacities where we worked on filming. I handled some stuff down in Richmond, California, working with her up in Oregon. She was doing stuff around the country.
00:35:01
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My entry into creating was all connected to that, and then I was moved into a podcast of creating. I always see it politically connected in my head because that's how I started. We were doing a political documentary about women running for office.
00:35:20
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And I had one guest on, I'm not sure if you know her name, Ana Del Rocio. She ran for County Commissioner. She was in this film called Mother of Color. Oh, I heard about Mother of Color. Okay, I haven't seen it yet. I really would like to, though.
00:35:39
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It's a very wonderful film. It's about the character and it has magical pieces about old wisdom. Old wisdom, not trite or anything, but it's political running for office.
00:35:55
Speaker
dealing with micro-aggression, aggression within the workplace, child care issues, young kids, how do I do this and that, and she's fantastically talented. Great story, but just seeing a guest like that run for office, she didn't win on the county commissioner, kind of a tough, tough, tough race. But I think about it in terms like that, and I think it's really cool when we think about our
00:36:22
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You know, art and art and politics and doing and the change that's connected to it. I got to I got to I got to I got to ask you just make sure we get it in on here and chat and.
00:36:38
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The fantasy in terms of liberation. Where are folks going to find that? How are they going to come in contact with it in general, both in Portland? Like I said, I get a couple tickets later in the month. What's the what on fantasy in terms of liberation?
00:36:55
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Yeah, so July 29, 2023 at Alberta Abbey, fantasy in terms of late liberation, live, like it's a performance, it's immersive. I don't want to give too much away. No, no, don't give too much. Don't give too much away. I want to surprise people because
00:37:20
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It's gonna be really amazing. But yeah, I'm gonna be posting a lot more stuff on my account, which is PCP3K on Instagram. And it's just gonna unfold and I'm super excited. Tickets have been moving really quickly. I am excited. I think that it's gonna be an amazing show. We're gonna have an after party with
00:37:48
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one of my friends who's involved, he's focused on throwing events for pleasure activism. And I think, yeah, it's been really amazing to work more within my community, the Black community. I do think that I've noticed the way the Black community supports one another is
00:38:15
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far beyond anything I've ever experienced. It's authentic, wanting to watch our fellow brother and sister rise. That's another thing. In the punk community, it was majority white. I felt a lot of microaggression, a lot of
00:38:38
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putting down, it was not the sort of environment that I wanted, but also it's not anyone else's fault, it's a step from mine because I allowed it, I was in it. I must have had some sort of common ground with the people I eventually didn't want to separate built.
00:39:03
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Yeah, yeah. And the thing is too is like, you know, we know it's like all threads, all roots. It's black music. I mean, it's rock and roll. What is rock and roll? Like, there are all these, I don't know, it wasn't obviously wasn't like connected, like deliberately. There's this weird aside, but in the
00:39:25
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the group the band with the the last waltz and they have this like Discussion and talking about the music and where it comes from and it's like there's this piece and there's this straight down here It's right down south and it's Robert Johnson at the cross right. That's the fucking shit It's right there and that's punk and then punk that comes out of rock and roll as punk and jazz is you know It's like so it's it must be I mean, I don't know the experience but for you you'd be like for me
00:39:53
Speaker
Like, um, um, uh, you're there, African-American. This is punk as fuck. This is like traditional. This is like traditional punk or something, or as punk as could be, but I don't know. It's also strange sometimes it seems to me. It is. And everything is getting mixed and melted and built differently. Like I said, there's this huge shift happening in our country.
00:40:20
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in our world, in human consciousness. I feel like it's called like the silent revolution where the underdog will rise and it's really beautiful and I just basically wanted to mirror that in fantasy in terms of liberation. It's a soft piece. This next piece that I'm working on
00:40:44
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is it's funny because it definitely falls back into, you basically come full circle. It basically falls right back into my punk rock political, like I needed a bit of quiet and that's what fantasy in terms of liberation is, the calming. It's got a role. You definitely feel what's going on, but
00:41:11
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Yeah, this next project is a little more clear and a little more based in reality But I had to go through all the flows, you know in order to get get a message out I had to get this message out and the next message will be what it is But yeah, thank you for always supporting me and giving me words of encouragement along the way like I know I
00:41:36
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You would just send me certain things just to keep me going and what people don't realize is like especially when you're in that vessel like state where you're just allowing things to move through you and you're just putting out and you're not quite sure what it is yet and then it becomes something and it all makes sense. You know those little words of encouragement for your fellow artists.
00:41:59
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are the, it really, it makes a huge difference. Like, okay, you know, I have people who are standing behind me, so I appreciate that. Well, thanks for saying that too, because you know, that's part of the, you know, that's part of my, my energy and spirit and connecting to it, you know, it's like, you know, at a certain point, like if I get excited about something, I don't, I don't fucking hide it, you know, like, you know,
00:42:21
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Be like I'm like super excited About this thing and that's fun. No, it's so good. It's so good to talk to you Talk to you and connect with this. I want to say to um, you know, uh, I know I know this I don't know anything about the performance, but I know it'll be probably somewhat of a high-wire act of you being out there and you know, just I know
00:42:47
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that some of the things artists do and that you do, there's some scary parts to move through. I appreciate your art and how you do it.
00:43:02
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Thank you. And when it comes to like just sending stuff to you, I got some New Zealand indigenous Maori hip hop for you to send along to. Yeah, I mean, I got some stuff. I got some stuff to send send send along to you to keep keep you connected with all that. Oh, yeah, always down for that. I've been I've been, yeah, super into hip hop, super into rap lately. I just feel like they're going to be the next
00:43:33
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They are the gods, but they are going to be the next people we looked up to. I feel like there's a mass intelligence around wordsmithing and that creativeness, even if it's something so basic. The next thing that I do, there's a lot of, there's some rap in it and
00:43:57
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I'm just going with what's pulling me right now. And I just feel like that is punk rock is the movement that is happening right now within hip hop and rap. And yeah, huge fan of like the whole bimbo movement that's happening right now with women being able to dress and stay and be a dumb bitch in the sense of like,
00:44:27
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In the sense of like a very blanketed idea, I love, you know, basically they're talking about Marilyn Monroe, you know,
00:44:37
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And all these people that were women, especially beautiful women who weren't supposed to be in touch with who they were, and they actually very much were. So I'm fascinated by so many things now. And basically, my message to anyone who is listening to this is if you feel a huge pull to do something different, if you are an artist, do it.
00:45:06
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Do it. Quit everything. It doesn't matter.
Closing and Words of Encouragement
00:45:10
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Do it. Now that I'm out on the other end of this, I'm like, I am so happy. I made every hard decision that came up when I needed to change. I'm like, wow.
00:45:29
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It shows Jules. I'm talking to Jules on video. Listeners, Jules is flush with good spirit and a great smile. You're looking great.
00:45:44
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Thank you. Thank you for coming on to the show. There's like two or three other trends. Oh, the one two other things I want to mention before we leave, you know, maybe we could chat about the like the podcasts over around or not being around with fantasy in terms of liberation or like a component there, whether
00:46:08
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uh to connect creatively with the with with the audience or after or part of a party or anything like that if there's like even live so that's just completely open if there's a way to connect for the show to connect to um to the to the energy that's there but um best best of luck with that you're gonna you're gonna knock it out and uh everybody check out um check out uh
00:46:34
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PCP on it's under PCP 3k on instagram and if you're in some of the folks who listen to the show or in Portland area in Oregon or if you travel and everybody travel it seems like everybody goes to Portland maybe if they have travel that the ability to travel you can.
00:46:53
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make it over there. But Jules, do the fourth the way that you wish to do it. I hope to see you. Hope to see you in person sometime soon. But thanks for being the queen. Three episodes for you. Queen Jules. Yes. Thank you so much, Ken. I appreciate everything that you do. All right. Take care. You too. Bye bye.
00:47:25
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This is something rather than nothing.