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Kym Gouchie
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With ancestral roots in the Lheidli T’enneh, Cree and Secwépemc Nations, KYM GOUCHIE is fostering change through her music and art. Her music brings awareness to First Nations and women’s issues, promoting reconciliation and community building while reminding us that we are all in this together. Her stories are a testament to the human spirit, weaving together threads of her own journey from personal tragedy to triumph.
Kym’s traditional hand drum, clean, crisp acoustic guitar and full-bodied voice make her a powerful solo artist. She also performs as a duo, trio and full band, adding in vocal harmonies, keyboard, electric guitar, mandolin, banjo and cello by talented accompanists. Traditional First Nations, folk, and country tones alongside poignant and inspirational lyrics capture the hearts of young and old — her genuine and heartfelt performances have a profound and sometimes emotional impact on their audience.
A respected elder-in-training of the Lheidli T’enneh Nation, also known as Prince George, BC, Kym is sought after to perform and speak at traditional welcoming ceremonies, cultural gatherings, schools, and conferences.
https://kymgouchie.com/
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Introduction of Podcast and Guest
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So something rather than nothing was recorded on the occupied lands of the Siletz tribe on the coast of Oregon in the United States of America. You are listening to Something Rather Than Nothing, creator and host Ken Valente, editor and producer Peter Bauer.
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This is Ken Vellante with the Something Rather Than Nothing podcast. And for this episode, we have Kim Gucci, who I encountered her work through her cover design for a recent guest. We had Jessica McDermott, the book Highway of Tears, and then was also came in contact with Kim's
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just beautiful music in concert and a recent one that was just released. Kim Gucci, thank you so much for coming on to the podcast and welcome to something rather than nothing. Well, hello there. Pleasure to be here.
Kim's Artistic Childhood
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Kim, the first question we ask is, what were you like as a young child? Did you
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And as it applies to your art, I mean, were you always singing? Were you always interested in art? And in general, what were you like when you were younger? I was always an artist. I knew that from a very young age. And I can remember being in elementary school and kids trading me their goodies from their lunch if I would draw them a picture. So I did know that. And I excelled in art school.
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And as far as singing goes, I was not that great of a singer. I just love to sing. And I come from a very musical family. And lucky for me, my dad never kicked me off the stage. He just would let me sing out of tune and stay. And I just, yeah, I just pursued it. I was always surrounded by music as a child.
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into my teenage years when the ego took over. I quit singing and it wasn't until I was in my sort of mid-20s that I picked it up again.
Art as Healing and Expression
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But I was more known as an artist and a painter and then suddenly music took over and this is who I am now. I'm more recognized as a musician than I am a visual artist, but I definitely
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Actually, to be honest, as I'm speaking to you, I am sketching because it helps me to focus. Yeah, yeah. And that's something I actually discovered just recently where I started painting for the first time ever, about two and a half years ago. And related to that sketching and doing things while I'm doing other activities, I was like, oh, wow, I think I used to do this a long time ago. And now I'm thinking that way again. You know what I mean?
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Right, yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, so big question right up front here is just to establish, you know, we're talking about, you know, different art that you do. I was wondering your opinions on what art is, what is art for you? Good question. For me, art is, it's an interpretation
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of an individual's soul, an interpretation of the unseen or the unknown. And it comes out in ways that are so unique and so specific to a person. And I really feel that it's really been, for me, it has saved me from going down
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possibly a bad path because I've always had art to be able to carry me through whether it was a painting or a song, it's helped me to express myself and to heal truly. And so I see art as a gift, as an avenue to share and to process
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different emotions and feelings that many of us would keep inside and have, you know, be trapped inside of us. I think art is a perfect avenue, a vehicle to express and share. And it doesn't matter what it looks like. Some people, you know, are realists and some people are more on the creative side of surrealists.
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It's yeah, it's a real beautiful thing. Well, yeah, and I think particularly as I have been working on the podcast over the past year, and I remember a lot in some of the earlier episodes, it really became prominent to me that I was ended up talking, you know, a bit more than I expected about psychology, right? Like in the sense of, you know, the therapy and what art
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What art provides those who are doing it? So I become fascinated by those questions. And also personally for myself, connecting my art to my own healing. When did you make that realization, Kim? When were you doing art and dealing with trauma and the difficulties of life and said, oh my gosh, this is what art is doing for me. It's helping me heal from this. When did that happen for you?
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What comes to mind immediately was not even that many years ago. It was maybe seven years ago when I lost my niece who was like a daughter to me and songs started to flow out of me. And then I recorded an album and then I started to pursue music as a full-time
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job, really. I realized that art, music was the perfect way to grieve. It was the perfect way to share my stories and connect with other people because grief affects every human on this planet. And so
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It was really a powerful time because I realized that if I didn't have music at that time in my life, I don't know if I would have been able to heal as quickly as I have through the grieving process. So it was super evident to me at that time, seven years ago, that art has truly, truly been
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my saving grace. Yeah and I appreciate your comments on that. I feel like I said or intimated the kind of direct connection with that process myself and the revelations that you find. So thank you for sharing that.
Advocacy through Art and Music
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Kim.
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Now, I had mentioned at the outset, you know, you had done the cover design, beautiful design for the book Highway of Tears, a recent guest we had, Jessica McDermott. And also that some of the songs and the music, I would say maybe just related to that had to do
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about with the content of that book, which is the Highway of Tears in British Columbia and the Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women and Girls. Can you, just as far as, you know, your personal relationship and connected to your art around the Highway of Tears, can you give the listeners some background of maybe how you
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came in contact with the issue and your work and advocacy around the Highway of Tears. Yeah, absolutely. Well, first of all, I am an Indigenous woman. And I live in the Koi Leiteine, which is also known as Prince George, which is
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either the beginning or the end of the Highway of Tears, which is about a 730 or so kilometer stretch of highway that runs between Prince George and Prince Rupert, British Columbia. And I remember as a child growing up out here on the reservation, well, near the reservation, I actually was not a part of the reservation as a child. That's a whole other story.
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And I would leave the house in the morning and I would be off like exploring and playing and I would be in the forest and by the waters along the railroad tracks for hours and come home when it was time to eat and then head out again and come home when it was dark. And without a worry, it was never a part of my conscience to worry about any
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any fear of anything until I was a young adult. And I started hearing the stories of all of these indigenous women who have gone missing and who have been found murdered along this highway, which was there were some cases right here in the Prince George area. And that's when the fear started to settle in.
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And also, what compacted that was the fact that I have been a victim of domestic violence for most of my married and adult life. And so there was a fear that started to grow in me. And even to this day, I'm out. I'm out here out at the Coit Le Tenet.
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which is out in a community called Shelly also, which is where I grew up. And I go for walks every day and I still have this moment of fear when I see a vehicle coming or logging the truck. And my anxiety hits the roof a little bit. I'm getting better at it. But as an Indigenous woman in this country,
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I don't take it for granted when I'm out walking. There's this constant state of defense or on the lookout because it just is the way it is. So my music has become, I use it as a platform to create awareness and to share with people, audience members,
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about some of the things that still affect Indigenous people today in this country. And that's where the murdered and missing Indigenous women and girls advocacy work has come in through my, not only my visual art, but also through my music. And I have joined up with different
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activist advocacy here in the Prince George-Coitley area. And it was on that one of these, it was called the Cleansing the Highway Walk, which took place in 2016 from Prince Rupert to Prince George. And I joined in on the last 100 kilometers. And that's when I met Jessica McDermott. And our friendship just grew from there.
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And that's how I was chosen to be the illustrator for the book cover, The Highway of Tears. And it continues. This work continues. It's rippled out all across this country and beyond.
Concert and Virtual Performance Challenges
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I receive emails on a pretty consistent basis of
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from people, from audience members who have either been at a show that I've performed at or who have heard my music online or who have read the book and are making comments on the cover and the story and whatnot. And it's become a really, a really important focus for me as an artist, but also as an Indigenous woman that I feel so blessed to be an artist so that I am able to
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have audiences and have this platform to be able to help create change and I'm just blown away by the attention that the book cover has received to be honest because it was one of the most difficult things, projects that I've worked on because I just knew the importance of it and I knew that I needed to
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I needed to do it, and I needed to do it in the best, respectful, meaningful, and sacred way, really. And from what I understand, I have achieved that. And Jessica and I are friends, as I mentioned. So I get to hear from her on a consistent basis on how well the book is doing and how it's reaching the people. And that's really what this is all about.
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Yeah, and then certainly it's been certainly from just what I've seen in coming to contact.
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with the issue and with the art and the advocacy around it. I just want to express to you, yeah, you did achieve that. And I think one of the things that I found in, you know, talking with Jessica, reading the book, encountering the music and talking to you is that, you know, there's some deep, deep sadness and anger that can be side that something like this
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is going on and is in active, you know, danger. But with that, particularly with your songs, there's an aspect of hope and of soaring that I feel and of soothing that comes through that, which I think for me feels very powerful. And when you were talking about art, that was the piece that I connected to in watching that concert
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beautiful music, beautiful singing. But the words, right? The words as well in the story that you were expressing.
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Um, yeah, so the, and of course the book cover is beautiful. Um, could you, could you tell me a little bit about, um, I mentioned a couple of times off hand, a recent concert that's been released that I believe was recorded, uh, a couple of years ago. And, um, you know, there's a video of it. Could you, could you give some of the details of, I believe it might've quote unquote debuted maybe a week or two ago. Can, can you talk a little bit about that, uh, concert and its meaning for you?
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Yeah, sure. Thank you for acknowledging that, actually. That was a really powerful time. It was in March 2018 when I was invited to take part in this. It was a concert that took place in Prince George at the Prince George Playhouse, and it was the coming together, the bringing together of Indigenous musicians in the area.
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And the theme was in the spirit of reconciliation. So bringing people together under one roof who were all like-minded and who wanted change and who wanted to do something differently in this community. And Prince George itself is built on the fact that my ancestors and my Indigenous community was displaced because of
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a railway that was put through our community and then the city of Prince George grew from there. So there's been a lot of work and a lot of reconciliation work done in this community. So for me to have a concert at the Prince George Playhouse was probably one of the most powerful things I have done in my career as a musician because I knew the impact it was going to have.
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I was joined by my band at the time, Northern Sky. So there's a six-piece band up on the stage and all singing and backing up my music, all with what you had mentioned earlier. There's a feeling of hope. There's a feeling of togetherness. And that's something that I really, really strive for is through my music and through the art and through my advocacy
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that we're all in this together and the support that we can receive from one another, regardless of our color, regardless of any background, I think that's the most powerful thing for me. And I'm so pleased to have this video out there. It's on my YouTube channel, which is my
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It's like Kim Gucci music, which I'm really trying to get some people to subscribe to. I do have another YouTube channel, which is just under my name, but I'm working on building a community on my YouTube music channel. So the video is called For the People, and it's a live concert documentary. So there's cutaways of myself speaking about the story behind the songs and
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I was super proud of this production. It was all locally done and I just hope that it really gets a really nice wide audience so people can experience the stories and the music and some of the advocacy work that is woven throughout it as well.
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Yeah, it's noticeable. And thanks for mentioning that with your YouTube, because I love people to see it. The level of talent that you had on that stage working with you and the dedication to what was going on was all apparent. I know it's video and it's not live, but it's all right there. And the cutaways to kind of give more of the story, I really thought it was such a moving
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and excellent and beautiful concert. I know when I watch it, I was like, oh, of course, this is pre pandemic times, but I've seen myself being like, gosh, to be in that room. It was it was it was a special thing. And I'm glad I hope listeners
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definitely check that video out for the people. I work for a labor union, so the title already won me over before you got into saving, right? It's like for the people, okay, I'm down with what's going here. Connecting to that, and I mentioned the pandemic,
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Of course, that was recorded before the situation that folks find themselves in with the pandemic. For you, what is the role of art in a pandemic? Does it have a different role? Does it have to respond to different things? Or does it just keep being whatever it's supposed to be? What are your thoughts? Well, I think it's still being whatever it's supposed to be, but it's just
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has more light on it right now because i think people maybe were taking it a little bit for granted and now they realize the importance of it and uh because it truly is what we go to we go to movies you know we go to concerts we turn on the music we look at a painting um you know what i mean like it's uh yes it's it's a really it's soothing and i do mention that in the concert it's something that that
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We all I don't know anybody that doesn't like Like I don't even want to know anybody the person if they don't like art I just it's like it's just it just is for me. It just is it's it's how I exist and I can't even imagine a world without it and I think that Like as a musician right now
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during this pandemic time, and like many thousands and thousands and hundreds of thousands of others who have lost their income and who have lost livelihood due to cancellation of shows and whatnot. And now we're taken to this virtual platform, which I have a show coming up on Wednesday, by the way. Oh, wonderful.
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Yeah, it's brand new. Some people have been doing this all along. They've been doing the live streaming shows and whatnot, which is not something that I've ever been a fan of. But I'm having to learn there's this curve that goes with it because you need to now not only be the singer and the songwriter, but now you have to be the technician and the audio engineer and everything, and you have to have a good camera.
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And you have to make sure it's all hooked up and you've got to get an interface and you've got to do all of these things. And yeah, that's been a big, a pretty huge curve for me. And to me, that's not art. That's a whole other thing. And, um, so I really respect and admire the people who've got that figured out right now because it definitely, it takes some time and dedication. But, um, as far as, uh,
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what art means during this time, during COVID, I think it means everything. I think it's right up there with the medicine. Yeah. I imagine that part of the struggle for you, and I heard some of the technical pieces you were talking about of how to put together the show, has to do with the question of intimacy, right?
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like with the audience and the things we talked about with the video. And I think that's definitely, you know, must be a mental hurdle for you to get through. But I'm excited to see, well, see and hear, you know, your efforts in that regard. And just out of curiosity, so we don't lose it, with the show that's coming up, you mentioned on Wednesday, is that something that will find its way to your YouTube channel as well? Yeah.
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Okay, definitely. There will there'll be a there'll be a link. I'm just during this pandemic, I've actually been working on it's just given me it's given me time to work on a lot of things that I normally wouldn't be able to because I'd be on the road touring and whatnot. So I'm I'm self managed, I do have an agent, but I I manage all of my own business. And so on during this pause, I was able to work on
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getting my website revamped. So I have a brand new website. If you want to go head over and check it out, it's kimgucci.com. And it's that is linked to my YouTube channel right off the landing page on the homepage. And so I'm just still working on trying to figure that all out too, because I'm just constantly applying for grants to try and help fund
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these different ways of promoting my music and getting my name out there and my music out there. Well, yeah. Yeah. I appreciate it. I mean, it seems like fortuitous time and connect with you because there's always a nice feel of connecting where you're making the adjustments and doing the thing, but also you're taking some leaps in trying to get
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your art out there. And I think it's more important with your art, not to make these distinctions amongst others, but with your art that has that piece that I've connected to of healing, of making a connection amongst humans. And of course, Song's ability to do that. So I think the timing just feels right. I still have, I mean, I'm asking you some big questions. I still have like three big questions for you.
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And I wonder, I wonder, you know, one of the things I was talking about is the role of art in a pandemic.
Art in Social Justice and Education
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And since I've started the podcast, I kind of have been asking questions of what, you know, what is the role of art in different contexts with in the particularly in the United States and
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the legacy in many areas of the world of racism and the protests that we've seen here in the United States. Art again has, there's been a flourishing of art and whether it's protest art, it brings up the question again of what art's role is in addressing historical injustices and racism. And I just wonder if you had a comment as far as what you see art's role
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in that work. Wow, that's a big one. I think imagery is especially on the internet is one of the most powerful ways to convey a message. It could be a simple photograph and or it could be a powerful song and it anything I believe that has the ability to shake somebody from their
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belief system or to be able to shift their thinking, whether it's converting somebody from being a racist to a non-racist or from just educating people. I think art is the way to do that because to sing a song, there's freedom in that.
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People can't tell you, oh, you can't write about that. Or, oh, you can't paint about that. It just is. It's a freedom of expression as an artist as a really, really powerful tool. And it can be used as a positive or a negative. I've seen it used as both. There's some really clever ways to get messages out there. And through imagery, through the placement of words, and
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I just feel that during this time that art has probably taken a front seat because just because of the power that it has through social media and through the sharing of on different social media sites and whatnot. And even through just the spoken word. Wow. Spoken word.
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powerful, powerful, powerful stuff for all people, especially, I feel, especially young people, because they have so much to say. And they may not necessarily know how to, to say it, but you give them a microphone and a beat and it's powerful. Yeah, yeah. It
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It is. And I think you definitely capture, I mean, the power of art. And I think part of the, for me, the historical legacy is I tend to view it very positively of what art can do, you know, kind of in the way that you framed it. But I think, you know, part of the thing is in tackling it, it has to do with the power of art and
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When it is powerful, there's a long history of the reinforcement of negative or harmful images. And then now, if there's a period or historical period of using art in order to transform, that power can be used in that way. And I've seen a lot of those, as difficult a situation has become in wrestling with the very complicated, very violent, very difficult history
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of racism, but just within that, that there's, you know, the kind of notions of liberation, you know, or potential for liberation within that. And I hope that that's where, you know, we can pull the energy from or more people do personally. I agree. Kim, who or what has made you who you are now?
Personal Growth through Struggle
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Hmm. I would say all that I am is due to all of the hardships that I've suffered because I really believe that's what shapes a person is the struggle. Because if life was a breeze, I think it would be a bit of a shallow person, to be honest. I think it's
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who we are, it's the struggle. It's how we've survived. It's how our ancestors have survived and how we carry those stories forward and how we become a part of legacies and a part of the history of our families and of our mothers and our grandmothers. And that's, I believe, yeah.
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Is it possible, Kim, one of the things I wanted to ask as far as the podcast listeners, people listen from different areas of the world and a large majority are from the United States and the Pacific Northwest.
Connection to Ancestral Land
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Can you just, just for the sense of placing the locale for you, can you just describe
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you know, the land that you've gone back to and just kind of where it is and what those lands are like, just kind of situate it physically for us. Yeah, where I'm at right now is in my ancestral territory. I do have ancestral blood here in the Clayley Tine, which is also known as Prince George.
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clearly to name means, literally translated means the people from the confluence of two rivers. And that's where the Nachako River and the Fraser River meet. And that is in the Northern interior, kind of central interior of British Columbia, Canada. And the land itself is forest a lot. It's like mostly forest and
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And rivers that run throughout are alongside of, I should say. And right now, we are in our summer month, which is a pretty short window. But the berries are starting to
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develop and the moose and the deer are starting to are still have had are they're raising their young right now and The mosquitoes are insane where I live I just had to give them a little shout out so you have to Yeah, I have to
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But you know, some of this really powerful that I think is worth mentioning is that in our territory, we have a very, very large territory here, like in the millions of hectares. And on our territory is a place called the ancient forest. Chanto Waddichat is the indigenous name. And it is the only inland rainforest on the planet. And it's to do, yeah.
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And I don't think it gets enough attention. And it's been it has been. It's a destination point for a lot of people. They've built boardwalks through it. It's like these thousands of years old, hundreds and thousands of year old stands of of cedars and other like boreal forest. And it's it is so beautiful. It's only an hour's drive from Prince George.
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I encourage people to check it out. That sounds amazing. I recently finished a book called The Hidden Life of Trees and it was written by a German writer and you know, it really moved me and it connected to me to
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um the world the world of trees the communication the vibrancy of that which honestly i've always appreciated but didn't really have the tools or the language to understand what was going on and uh so haven't just come off that book of the hidden life of trees and your description of that inland rainforest gosh i'm i'm i'm i'm paying attention talking to you right now but of course that sounds that sounds just wonderful i must have been in
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I must have been in tune with your vibe. Yeah, yeah, we actually we actually even call it a snow forest. Because truly, that's what it is. Wow. And what was so it's called a snow force was any other names for it? I'm sorry, I might have missed that. Well, it's the ancient forest, the ancient forest. Yeah.
Philosophical Reflections on Existence
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And so it's been studied by many, many biologists and
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science-y kind of people. And there's a university here of Northern British Columbia where they also have some studies through the university. And it's a really powerful, beautiful place. We did a dedication there last summer of the picnic shelter to my late grandmother, Mary Gucci, who was one of our last remaining fluent speakers and traditional knowledge keepers here.
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Yeah, I'm going to be making a trip out there this summer for sure. I mean, it's only an hour away, right? Yeah. Yeah. And in a marvelous world, an hour away from me, I'm sure I looked at the map. It is, you know, it's something to plan. It's something to plan out. Yeah, for sure. All right. All right. So Kim Gucci, the big one, big question. Why is there something rather than nothing?
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Why is there something rather than nothing? I think because there's life Yeah, and there's light and there's light And as long as there's light
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we exist and we have to continue to do that in the most respectful and sacred way to honor the life that we've been given. Thank you so much for that. Kim, I want to let you know that it has been
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a deep pleasure to have the opportunity to talk to you about your music, about your story, about the land and the people that are part of you.
00:39:05
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Um, I very much look forward to, um, you know, your upcoming, uh, your upcoming, uh, show.
Conclusion and Gratitude
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You said that'll be the Wednesday and the, do you have the date on that? That must be, oh gosh, what's the date? Okay.
00:39:20
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July 8th, and so on July 8th, Kim Gucci, and make sure to look for it on YouTube. I wanted to thank you so much for your time. I've been so excited to be able to talk to you, and I hope to. I feel I don't want to hog your time, but I feel like there's a lot I can learn from you, and listeners can learn from you, and we're going to digest what we talked about, but certainly would love to
00:39:47
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have another conversation about you, your music and your art. I want to thank you deeply, Kim, for taking the time today on the podcast. You're very welcome. And I would like to say Snuchelia, which is our way of it's not quite a thank you. It's more of you've been good to me and I really appreciate you. Thank you so much, Kim. Could you pronounce that again for me so I can try it?
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Snichelia. So Snichelia? Yeah, Snichelia. Snichelia. Yeah. All right. Well, look forward to more of your art. Kim, thank you so much for sharing and hope to chat with you again soon. Kim Gucci. It's been wonderful. Thank you.
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We are. We are.
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We are cleansing the highway of teams as we walk, as we walk. We are cleansing the highway of teams.
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away.
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We are searching for the souls of our sisters That we lost, that we lost We are searching for the souls of our sisters
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away away away away away away away away away away away away away away away away
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The highway
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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