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ART BAR Magazine
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Art Bar is a thick, coffee table Art Magazine, printed in the U.S. on high quality paper stock.
The features are about the lived human experiences of creatives and how they shape our artwork. We are aiming to fill a space in the art world, inspiring both established and emerging artists.
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Introduction to the Podcast and Hosts
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Speaker
You are listening to Something Rather Than Nothing. Creator and host, Ken Valante. Editor and producer, Peter Bauer. Oh, anyways, at the end of it, um...
Ken Valante's Doom CD Collection
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Speaker
He already told me he willed me for the collection. So there's this open-ended wonderfulness where like I may be like the CD compendium guy, maybe a person in North America, and I'm on the cusp of it, but I know I have a largesse of like thousands of Doom CDs from every fucking country So we're simpatico
Resurgence of Vinyl and Cassettes
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on that. in And the other thing is, since I haven't listened to singing, as of beginning November, i was I've just been listening to complete album.
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So it's going to be complete album time, I think. Ooh, yeah. Amazing. This Jenny. Hi, Jenny. Hi, Jenny. I started buying some vinyl records. I mean, I've always been buying vinyl, but I got rid of... I guess we still have... All the CDs I kept, I'm looking at them off to the side. We cassettes. We're back to cassettes. Yeah, we have cassettes. And all the CDs I kept are mostly just because they're like personal friends or people we played with. But I think for the most part, switched to... like you know I'm streaming and have vinyl and we have cassettes. Cassettes are making a little bit of a comeback.
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But that's definitely a big comeback. There's a lot of cassettes, um not only like in in metal, but just like in general in Oregon. i was astounded when I came out here and it hasn't slowed down. I've been out here for about 14 years and I'm like, whoa. What part?
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What part of Oregon are you in? So we're in Albany, Oregon, 15 minutes, 20 minutes away from south of a
Living in Albany, Oregon
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Salem. and About an hour from Portland. About an hour from Portland. But we're up in Portland like once or twice a week still. So we're super busy. yeah My mom used to live in Salem and his brother just moved to... Eugene. I almost said Medford. Eugene. Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker
Or they're just outside or something like that. You know the areas. yeah yeah and are we have lots of like Portland's obviously we' where there're we have lots of friends there. and yeah for skateboarding it's sort of a mecca so I go oh for sure a couple times a year um for oh yeah work
Skateboarding Culture and Burnside Skatepark
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stuff. He was there for some like i mountain dance. Some skate contest. Some dumb event. but like you know this the when We're actually like street skating. or and They're like notorious for the concrete parks. Burnside. Burnside is the first DIY one under the bridge there. and but then
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Speaker
Up to Orcas Island, there's like a loop that's kind of like a sacred road trip loop in skateboarding. that You get in a van and a bunch of stinky people and... make that loop and stay in bad hotels and it's in camp and it's the best. So I love it up there.
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Let's let's let, I want to, I want to launch in
Founding of 'Art Bar' Magazine
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right on this. Cause I had a major question I was talking about. um And so everybody, this is something rather than nothing podcast. Super excited. ah Don't know how to quickly categorize, but the creators of the Art Bar ah magazine and Sarah Ingram. And i only could see in social media and stuff, is that Ira Curbkiller or Ira? How do you go by when we Just Ira. k killer Curb Kill is a joke that got i ah out of hand. and i like the identity that i it's it's I don't know how I ended up where that whole thing is. ah That's a whole.
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And also, just full disclosure, my ADD is going to be a problem. I'm trying to rein it in. We're having a little late harvest right now. I'm trying to like just... can keep myself from going on tangents, but it is what ah just, just, just a short answer. All on the same page. Okay. ki Going into this, but I will direct because as host the show, I have a particular responsibility. I wanted to launch right from skateboarding, right? So um I picked up on a vibe ah that I've seen you both talk about with the magazine and it's ah skateboarding, ah creativity. And I know in in art and expression, and I've seen other art magazines, other art explorations, like,
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Just really tap into that. And I see you doing that. And there's so much there. Tell us about Art Bar, which brought ah Jenny and I over to you, asking you about the magazine and, you know, the skateboarding arts that are in there. Tell us tell us about it, because ah we'd love to hear just about Art Bar and your thinking behind it Well, i'll I'll say,
Sarah Ingram's Role in 'Art Bar'
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I'll start with this. Like, the the art bar is is born from from Sarah and her, her you know, she she used to run a gallery and has been heavily involved in the, in the like, the street art community. And and so this is conceived, like, what this doesn't exist without Sarah, and she's the tip of the spear. And, like, I'm...
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I'm a part of the magazine and in ah in a supportive role and and we both like it is like a dream of ours, but it doesn't it would not be as good as i i think it is and and will will grow to be without without Sarah and her leadership and with her vision. And um so I'm I'm here, it you know, as as ah as as a partner for sure. But like But this as far as why skateboarding is involved in this and even the name i kind of stole from, um there's a skate video that i love from the 2000s. It's called... um
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Speaker
Art Bars and Seagulls. Art Bars and Seagulls. The subtitle is Art Bars and Seagulls or something like that. It's a foundation skate video. And it's kind of tongue-in-cheek and making fun of the arts in some ways. And I love that. We actually just were looking for something symmetrical in the title that had art and bounced off it. And I love the tongue-in-cheek nature of that skate video. It's such a deep, nerdy cut in skateboarding.
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So that, but it is like, um, that's where the title came from. Anyway, the, like the, the window that I, um, found art and filmmaking and photography through was skateboarding and growing up as a skateboarder in the nineties.
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Um, the past, about the last 25 years of my life have been sort of, um, uh, a, a, um, ah obsessed skateboarder. and and And then you have growing up on think videos like Video Days um and Questionable made by like Spike Jones and then yeah um ah Jacob Rosenberg. and And then you find photography and then art is so synonymous. Skateboarding doesn't exist.
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Especially street skateboarding doesn't get to the audience without... some form some medium that that takes like artistic ability and because it we otherwise you're just in an alley somewhere doing this thing that no one will ever see like someone needs to document it and then you know there's art for the boards and so that's kind of my contribution to the magazine because that's the way that i found and fell in love with art is is through skateboarding so it's kind of the only way i can be involved. like The actual blind art world and the street art world, that's that's all Sarah. and She has these relationships she's developed over a lifetime. and and and
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but The guidance and the reason that the magazine is good is is because of Sawa, for
Inclusivity in 'Art Bar'
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sure. but let me ask you Let me ask you about that. and like um ah and i and Watching some of your video, Sarah, and um like again, describing the vibe of like ah creativity and like collective arts and um culture um even the feel of the magazine tell tell us about like creating a new magazine like right now and what you're looking to do it because it obviously super appealed to Jenny and I once we touched it and saw it but like what tell us about your ideas about your project in the magazine
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well Well, we come from filmmaking and photography, but we also love all forms of art. So that's kind of like that was one of the art bar kind of has multiple meanings. And one of them is like if you were to go to a, like, it's not an alcohol reference, the art bar, but like, if you were to go to a bar and they have different things on the menu, like we cover filmmakers, we cover photographers, we cover, you know, street art, contemporary art, we have some writers, you know, like, so it's like all different kinds of art, but it kind of is meant to feel like a place. Like if you were to picture, you know, the art bar, like,
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in an alley that you would go to and you go there after your day of painting or whatever your form of creating is. And you can sit in a room where you feel like these are my people and this is community and like, and talk about your work at the end of the day. Like that's like, if you were to picture it as a place, that's the art bar. So we, it's like the, I feel like sometimes in art magazines, like photography is an afterthought or different, you know, or it's like very, um,
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pretentious or using a lot of jargon that we don't like personally relate to. So for us, the motivation of Art Bar was to talk about art with artists and like really get to know them as people and and figure out what drives them to create and um like what that process is like. And then also talk about their work and hopefully inspire other people to to to want to create art because art should be accessible and not this like exclusive elitist thing. And so I think that was like our initial spark for starting it and the kind of storytelling that we wanted to do with like different mediums of art.
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awesome.
Discovering 'Art Bar' Magazine
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Awesome variety. ah I have to interject here and just say that I'm going to take full credit for finding Art Bar Magazine. ah um I am. It's it's it's true. How'd you find it?
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f happenstance, luck, ah start the stars aligned, I don't know. um We're obsessed with printed material, um magazines and wos and books, and comic books we collect all these things ah obsessively some.
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um And so to stumble upon a new art magazine was just like, the Holy grail almost. Right. And quickly picked up on how accessible it was for anyone, which I appreciated it as well, you know, cause we, we get other magazines and I know which ones you're talking about that,
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are just on a different level. And that's fine. That's fine. But mostly I just flip through it, you know, admittedly. I tapped into the organizing, the arts yeah organizing, like the collectivism of like, one thing I like with this show. It's basically your podcast and magazine. Well, like... One of the things I like about this show is being able to pop into like how a culture feels. like in in in what you i'm just like Not to put you in the representative space, but you're putting this out and and and things are ah you know analog and the pages can feel a certain way. We haven't got the second issue, but you know knowing that you're doing things like that at a time when like we live in the culture right now in Oregon where
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ah people of like a wide range of ages are buying cassettes and what might be CDs. And why am I buying an album? Yes. A Philip glass album yesterday in this day and age. Well, it makes perfect sense to me, but like yeah people want these things and it no judgment, and not even a qualitative judgment about like digital, because that's a big part of what excites
Creating 'Art Bar' - The DIY Approach
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me as well. But yeah,
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Seeing that in the magazine, it's art. It's it's art manifest. And that's that's the piece that I really dig. And I mentioned it to, final piece about the personal connection, mentioned it to my editor, ah Peter Bauer, who subscribed to it like immediately. So it's like that populist, like let it spread bake piece of the magazine um that i that I think we connected with. So just wanted to like,
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share that, I guess, right? And you talked about the, you know, people going back to the analog and from like conception to release, it was probably almost a year before we put out our first issue. And now obviously it's quarterly, but during that time we were completely nerding out on you know We got samples from multiple printers in multiple countries. Ended up staying fairly local, but like feeling every paper. you know like How does it feel in your hands? how does it All that stuff was um super important to us as well. And she says we, but like she, again, finding these...
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finding all these all these facilities and all these printers and getting these samples. And I get to do the fun part where she has all these samples laid out and we get to sit there and nerd out. So like, I, I, I take no, like I'm, I'm helping, but, but this is like, Sarah's why, like, why is as good as it is is is it you know collaboration i mean down to our dark room? Like she built it.
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She's, she's, she built this dark room that like, Again, i I don't even know if I helped with the darkroom, but like printing the printing, know shooting analog, shooting film, we can and printing that is something we both like love and care about. And sometimes we outsource that. And if not Sarah's mixing those chemicals, Sarah's printing like it's such a DIY.
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And that that that that's something that we care about really, really deeply, both being like punks and from skateboarding, you learn to pick up a camera and how to work that camera how to edit how to shoot a photo how do you get it printed how do you write an article now that explains what you just went through and all that stuff comes from um i'm so sorry ah The DIY?
Tribute to Kevin Wilkins
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Probably Wizardry. ah I just lost it and just lost a friend, Kevin Wilkins, who I just want to acknowledge real quick. Yeah, please take thank do. Take your time. and he was like He's a writer that... ah This is really fresh, I'm sorry.
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No, no. He just never printed anything that I wrote, and um we just lost him this last week. and ah I didn't even expect to talk about him, but but all that comes from this process of doing these things yourself and supporting your community and finding strength in, in places where you feel vulnerable and expressing that, you know, and I didn't expect to cry,
00:15:32
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the yeah but Kevin Wilkins is a really beautiful person. We just lost in a father and a um husband and a great mentor to, to a generation of skateboarders. So yeah,
00:15:43
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Sorry. yeah And a writer. and You guys are literature lovers. Maybe we should. Yeah. Sorry. I didn't expect that. just That just hit me right in the middle of that sentence. I didn't. Yeah. Sorry. Please. Like in this, in this space, you know, one of the interesting pieces about like Jenny and I doing this together and like, and sharing this too, is like,
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I'm a union organizer by trade, like all my hours. And when I'm not doing that, I felt that I didn't set out, but I ended up arts organizing, like through the show over 300 shows. Like where i was talking about like tapping into like the vibe of your magazine or like when I go to Providence, Rhode Island, I'm from Pawtucket, Rhode Island originally.
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And visiting out there and feeling the vibe and like understanding. I know the, you know, Ira, the skateboard community, the closeness. like i Like I feel it, like I get it right now straight up. So don't worry about that. And that's the connection. And like,
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For me, um and seeing your work, like for me, it's not to be conceptual about it, but was tapping into like there's an openness of the collective spirit because we saw in um Bombay Beach, the the trailer that you had sent
Art and Community Revitalization
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us. And it was like...
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It was in that short piece, it was all there, but it was like the power of art was so apparent in like the back, the background with leaf and not to give it away, but within the desert and what's around in the desert.
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And the art was what was glorious and was so conspicuously glorious. I was like, holy shit, like fucking nailed it right there. And that's like the community. Like I come from like the city, you know, and like when you see cities in areas kind of prop up and look different, there's something about that vitality. It's art. yeah Art saves lives.
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Yeah. Art saves whole communities, right? Yeah. Art is like the community is a ah big aspect for it and it does save lives. Like art is a form of therapy for
Art and Mortality
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so many people. We just interviewed this beautiful artist, um like beautiful person, Carlos Ramirez. And he,
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He does like have some social commentary in his work, but he's like, for me, it's like when I make these paintings, it it makes me feel better because it's like, it's a purge. So for so many people, art is therapy. And then we also like, there's this common thread in so many of the things we end up covering of like mortality. Cause like,
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were doing a documentary about his friend Zane Timpson who passed on, who was skateboarder and an artist and a poet. And in Bombay Beach, I was doing that documentary just to kind of cover this artist town. And I ended up spending years there and like a couple of the people who were main characters in the documentary passed away during that time. And so there's been this common thread of mortality in art and art is a way of our work living on after we're gone. And like people ah being able to still appreciate something we made after we're gone. and And that's always been kind of like at the backbone of some of it as well.
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Yeah, just being aware of your own mortality. And I think so passing through is a film, a documentary feature that Sarah made and directed.
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And we actually ah met and started dating during while she was making that. And I ended up helping that. And then we ended up getting married, i think before the film was even finished.
Documentary 'Passing Through'
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Yeah. Cause right after we got married, it had its premiere. Yeah. And, ah and it's, and so it'll be, it's going to be going to streaming platforms shortly. It's kind of finished the the festival run and we'll be doing some like LA screenings hopefully very soon, but it's this really, really beautiful film. And it is about like, um I mean, even before,
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Um, the, the, we lost the artists who passed during the course of the film. Um, Sarah had mentioned this concept of like, we create art because we're aware of our own mortality. Like, and, and I, I think that, yeah, that, that, that theme is so beautiful and, and, um,
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And um just just prolific. One of my photo teachers. and this from u I had this old photo teacher, Vicki Martin, and um she said that in one of my photo classes when I was a kid. And she said human beings are the only species aware of their own mortality.
00:20:22
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And that's why we create art. And um it just stuck with me. And it's funny because I ran into her like decades later at an art show. and um And i told I told her like what an impact that made on me. And I told her she said that and she didn't remember saying that. But she was like, that sounds like something I would say. But I was like, that's been like the the backbone of like pretty much like every project we've started. Well, and in philosophy in and philosophy too, like there's some like complete overlap because like...
Art and Western Philosophy
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yeah ah For me, I'm a traditionalist in this and I've studied a ton of philosophy, but um you know, like philosophy starts at least in the Western tradition with plato with with Plato saying it's fucked up that Socrates was put to death by the state for like investigation.
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That's fucked up. And like he said about his whole intellectual project on like justice, like just society and all these kind of dialogues. And it's like,
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I see like Western philosophy set off like on an obsession with death. And I think even Plato said it's like something along the same lines, like, you know, like just basically philosophy proceeds from, you know, that knowledge of death, but not only that knowledge of like deep wrong injustice to those close to you, like deal with that. So like, and all you know, in art and all the different things and like, even kind of like,
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the edge of skateboarding is like in that scene terrain and i'm not i i uh my uh two of my children are skateboarders and really vibe with this so i get it through them my skateboarding story is about two minutes i had my skateboard i fell backwards off of it it went into the street and got run over by a tractor trailer that was my smile i'm living to my kids I'm living to my kids. I said, that's a warning from somebody bigger than me.
Personal Skateboarding Stories
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I'll even try it now. Mine's longer than that, but not much longer.
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find yeah than that but not much longer Did you have a skateboarding scare? ah No, no, but i I went with the skateboarding boys in high school. yeah And so by default, I had to learn how to skateboard and keep up.
00:22:51
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Did you read an issue one? It's funny because it's kind of different than the other stuff we put in there, but our friend, um she has a meme account called Later Loser and she did a modern day advice column an issue one. And it's basically just about dating skaters. yeah So you'll relate to it. Yeah, absolutely. um yeah she's and She's an incredible writer. cat is insane. and ah She's coming back. she just We didn't get it together in time for issue two. which is come i
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For us in this timeline, it's come we're getting our copies tomorrow, but I don't know when this podcast comes out. So it'll be out. yeah she'll be She'll be back for issue three for it with her later loser.
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advice column. and And I know you guys are in Oregon, so like we we try we we're we're like privileged to be able to travel for work quite a bit. And and Powell's is like one of my favorite bookstores in the entire country. And I think issue two isn't in Powell's.
00:23:51
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like it It is potentially going to be Palace. By three, it should it should be in there, and three is looking really, really really special, too. so I'll bug the staff. They're union staff. I'll try to... And everyone listening, just email them and tell them to order our bar, because it's a huge goal for us. And a nice thing to be able to buy nice magazines, because we view them as, particularly yours, as like very much an art piece like so much of the time. and like We don't even have the first issue anymore, because...
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Jenny's son and partner visited and we were like, oh my God, like you need to have, it needs to go up North. yeah'll send a box Yeah. We'll get you guys. One of my favorite artists. And this is like, just for Jenny to kind of like talk about this super recent experience. I like, cause I think we're talking about like, like art that in, in things that you see as sensitive as artists that like really,
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make you feel a lot. And you're like, wow, like, I'm so glad to seen that. And I just want to mention this is like, one of the things Jenny and I have been appreciative of, and we're not naive about this, like every town, every city
Portland's Unique Art Culture
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has their problems in deep things, but, and we don't fetishize Portland, but there is something deep in the heart of Portland that we like that's open and accepting. And I'm not saying it's perfect, but like, that's what we,
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um like to tap into, but they had the book fair yesterday. And so I'm, um I was caught up in a work meeting yesterday and i was like, Jenny, I was like, Emma Ruth Rundle is going to be at the Portland art museum and she's going to be next to this painting and she's going to be reading her poetry. And I said, it starts at two o'clock and I'm, um, um,
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not close by and I got to finish doing worky. Can you please go? Can you please go? I was free. So I want Jenny to tell us about this experience because it was like a moving and cool thing. Jenny, can you tell us about the Ruth Rundle ah book fear appearance yesterday? I'll try to.
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I'll try to. ah Because I'm still a little like... I don't know, starstruck, shell-shocked, ah smitten, all the things, right? ah So that was totally unexpected.
00:26:17
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i didn't know what was going on, ah admittedly, and Ken brought it up, kind of this last-minute idea, and I was like, okay, I can do that. And I was just bopping around Portland and...
00:26:28
Speaker
I did some research yesterday morning and found out that the book fair had sold out. um But I was like in the area. So I was just like walking around deciding to see what I could see. i had her books under my arm ah for that potentiality of getting an autograph. Right.
Emma Ruth Rundle's Performance
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And I'm and I'm walking through these crowds of Portlanders, let's say, ah ah in the cultural district, taking it all in. And it's it's not feeling very good to me. There's this massive line coming out of the art museum where she's supposed to be. I'm like, I don't know.
00:27:06
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But I decide to go in. ah This is going to be long, I guess. No, this is your piece. No, no, please, please. I already have a similar story. You can still tell I don't get a whole lot of talking time. Provide.
00:27:19
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ah So, so we're we're members at the art museum and ah we need to renew our membership anyway. So I'm like, I'm going to walk in there and just talk to them and I'm going renew our membership because I'm here. so And I didn't think the museum was open.
00:27:35
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I thought it was just the book fair going on and you had to be part of this book fest, not book fair, I guess. Um, so I upped the, upped the membership and they're like, yeah, so you want to visit today? I was like, well, yeah, she's, and so she's like, yeah, you can visit, you can sit in on any of the vents. And I'm like, oh, okay.
00:27:58
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And so I just started wandering around our favorite museum and took it in and figured out where she was going to be and sat down. um I haven't seen her before in person. I haven't seen her live perform. ah Ken has, and I would love to, of course. um She read, and what I'll say is ah she's incredibly talented, as I'm guessing you already know.
00:28:23
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um But ah she became very emotional as she was reading. she read She read her own piece, and then she read a piece from a now deceased, murdered Palestinian poet.
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And in that she got really emotional. And then she called out the ah the the Portland Book Fest because their only sponsor is Wells Fargo.
00:28:49
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Wells Fargo. um And so she became more emotional and started apologizing. And we're all like, no, again, don't apologize. ah We have an obligation, I think, as artists.
00:29:05
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And I'll just echo kind of what she was getting at An obligation as artists at this time specifically to be vulnerable and emotional and do the things, like all the things and speak up and be loud and make art.
00:29:19
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100%. And that is emotional. like That makes me think of so many things. and And that's been coming up a lot lately because there's a lot going on in the world right now. And so there's there's two kinds of art all art is important, but there's two versions of it that are like the most
Art's Dual Role: Commentary and Escapism
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important right now. And there's that, they, you know, like the quote, it's the artist's duty to pick the times we're living in and and use our voices and be loud about it. And then um there's also the art that,
00:29:53
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like it's okay to still print paint pretty things and give people a place of escapism. Like some people are shaming artists like, Oh, you're just eating unicorns. And there's like Gaza's genocide. And they're like, but I'm like, they're going through so much trauma too, that they're like, it just gives me comfort to paint this. Like Andrea Gouzette is who's popping in my head, like an elephant mother, like holding her baby elephant. And that's like so many people related to that. So hard. Cause like,
00:30:21
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you know so But yeah, that like that story and that and even like not even being expecting to get in, but seeing those um things that affect you emotionally, um i think that's what I connect to most in art is if like I see something or or experience something and it makes you feel a certain way, like that is what it's all about. like That's so powerful.
00:30:49
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Yeah, yeah. I had a similar story that you don't have to use. You can like start cut here. But i I, went, it was the same thing where I didn't think I was going to get in it affected me. Like I really emotionally was this show a long time ago called Ashes and Snow.
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I was like, we thought it was like a mother's day or something. And I was with an ex, I was like, Oh, we'll invite all our parents. We'll go to the show. i bought chicken a day before know i bought tickets for everyone. And then we get there and it's the closing day and there's a line around the block. And I know my dad and like, I have a lot of the similar traits, like,
00:31:29
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not good in like she's crowds, public space. She does not like lines. I did i knew- i don't like crowds. She doesn't like lines. i knew I knew he was not good. Like I knew we couldn't have this group of eight wait in this line for two hours. Like that wasn't gonna happen. And I was like, oh, you know, and it was just stressful. And I was like, I don't know how we're even gonna get in there. And I ended up just going to the the guy at the back door.
00:31:55
Speaker
And being like, look, like I have tickets, but like these guys aren't going wait in that line. like Is there any way like we can... go in through the back and I basically like paid them off to just let us in. And um so we didn't even experience it the way you're supposed to. you Like we went in through the back door instead of the front door. And then the work, like I was like, there's no way, you know, you don't think you're gonna have an ah emotional response to the show under all of those conditions.
The Emotional Power of Art
00:32:20
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And the first piece I saw, I just like started crying and it just like kept getting like more and more and more. And it was just so beautiful that it it was like, affecting me on such a deep level and then I could hear them in the background like like being like is she okay and it's like yeah she's okay but I was just like bawling not like just because it was so beautiful like things sad things can make you emotional but beautiful things can make you emotional and I just remember going through that show and after that in my head being like
00:32:52
Speaker
that's what it's all about. Like, that's the kind of work I want to be a part of is like, I want to make work that makes people feel something. And that was like, because of that moment. And that's what good art does. I mean, and, and that's the subjective thing, right? Like I, I, we, we don't, we set out to like, not do reviews specifically. Like it's not part of what we do. We don't review art. We just want to, um,
00:33:17
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demystify the process of becoming an artist and it give you a window into someone's lived that artist lived experience and and and art is subjective um in in the sense that like something that is profound to me, someone else may find derivative and flaccid and that's fine. It's, it's, you're both right. It's like wine tasting, right? Like if it's, if you like it, it's good. and, and, and, and um and so, yeah, if it speaks to you, then, then you're right.
Flexibility of 'Art Bar' Format
00:33:54
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And, and, um and, and i I think that one of the fun parts of this process is, is to, to have, you
00:34:02
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we don't have boundaries as far as like um mediums and artists that we want to work with or, or, you know, genres of art, like if the the populist it's populist in nature. It feels populist in nature, you know? Yeah. i wouldn't I would not argue with that. I think that that that we want it to be accessible and, and I already said demystified, but like just for, to feel like, um,
00:34:33
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part of my Part of what I love about what we're doing as someone who's riddled with ADD and unmedicated um is that I love that like the the format of an interview will change, that style of art will change, and the genre will change from from article to article and and each from issue to issue. and And that's been really fun to explore. And um we have reoccurring themes certainly, but um yeah, it's it's ah we kind of just don't have parents and it's fun.
00:35:02
Speaker
Yeah, sometimes I think like, oh, that's not how they you're supposed to do something. And then I'm like, who cares? It's our magazine. We're going to do whatever we want. like yeah then I got the guerrilla marketing for you, too. And and and just I wanted to get out. This was the second thing I wanted to mention. So check this out.
00:35:20
Speaker
So I'm going into a a period of years. First of all, i understand that I've been reading comics since... Barely out of diapers and I'm 53. So I'm saturated in the stuff.
00:35:33
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Now, I'm the guy who, I've tried to cut back on the print comic book habit and
00:35:42
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Jenny's reaction was amazing. jeny mean my likeger like It's not lack of desire. It's me trying to show some comparable level of restraint compared to like what I see in the world. Anyways, um here's the guerrilla marketing.
00:35:58
Speaker
I didn't go to a lot of bookstores. I didn't look at fancy magazines. at a a pan you know the magazine It's an art investment, right? It can cost a little bit more. It's quality. But here's the gorilla piece.
00:36:11
Speaker
I would tell you that I encountered... art magazines and I would say three or four titles only through the comic book store. They randomly ordered a copy of another. I guarantee you I saw high fructose before like anybody saw that magazine and it was because there was something else to touch and see that was super cool at a comic book store. And I think any of those little pieces, like people like us who are still going to that,
00:36:39
Speaker
I got juxtaposed there. I got like, i I would be, I could would have grabbed art bar there because I just spent $20 on the Batman graphic novel. I'm like, this thing's 25 bucks. It looks like their hands have crafted it together. Jeez. Like let me buy this too. So anyways, that's my thinking on that. I noticed they had on that. They're like a distribution that mostly deals in comic books, but I guess, you know, especially with that genre, you know, like,
00:37:09
Speaker
new contemporary pop surrealism art that they cover a lot of is like has a lot of parallels with i'm sure the comic book world and those are both um great art magazines well you see these weird crossovers and it's still printed it's like penthouse comics right with a centerfold like you see it's like people are still gonna purchase it and it's still gonna kind of sell out so like you know talking about the feel of it which we're immersed with uh we're we're immersed with an organ and uh we really love um let me ask like just for like sheer like consistency at a show like ask a conceptual question because like we've been getting into all the conceptual questions but um
00:37:55
Speaker
I'm really interested. um I've heard some of your thoughts about you know like you know what is art. And I wanted to not ask it as formally as that because I've heard bits and pieces about it. um But starting with you, Sarah, what do you think the role of art is like right
Art's Historical Influence
00:38:12
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now? I tend to ask it. is like you know Is art just arting all the time? Or it's like, for me, in my head, 2025, the art...
00:38:22
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is the role of our changed nowadays or recently, or is it just arning? I think, I mean, if you go back through all of the ages, are has always been ah very important way of depicting the times that we're living in. Like, and you would think, i was like, meanwhile, we're talking, our cat is attacking my journal, which is probably a form of art. We have a kitten, sorry. We're gonna get back to this. We have ah a cat back there and we have six kittens that are how old?
00:38:59
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Oh my God. How old? You have to send pics. yeah We most been um they were a little bit earlier. it may This whole time we've been talking because we're by the window and she loves the windows. right baby she's She's ripping everything arm on the desk apart during the interview. i'm trying not to I was actually just she was eating a plant here. I was like smacking her in the head. and she startsni half the conversation that even People think interviews are just like straight up.
00:39:32
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They are screwed up, but they're you know they're also not. We also literally have seven kittens in this room. yeah That's amazing. that's i mean that's ah That's a great energy for a room. We yeah adopted the cat we adopted the kitten. Sarah, going to prompt you back again. Yeah, can know The cat. ah Role of art role of role of art yeah nowadays.
00:39:57
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yeah i think it's i think it's I'm sure are has changed over the years because the world has changed over the years, but I think it's just as important and relevant as it was from its beginnings, because if you go back through all of the ages and generations, art has always been a tool to depict the times that we're living in or to share, you know, it's existed. And it used to be, um,
00:40:28
Speaker
sorry she's likenari I'm sorry, the cat's sliding under the laptop and hitting me now. i I'm just going to... I have to run through seven kittens behind us. It's totally fine. The cat's going to... going to this to send you. This little demon that's... She's going to throw the laptop off the... Okay, I'm sorry. she's so By acknowledging her, we've...
00:40:58
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But outside of that, I mean, yeah, I probably just totally lost my train of thought. No, but the artist's role is to define the age they're living in, right? Yeah, and that's going to change over time, but it's going always be just as important. And you'll see, like, you know how important it is because you're seeing in this, especially recently, so much art getting censored.
00:41:24
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And it's a testament to... its way of speaking to the people. told you, she's like, actually. So, yeah, like, as far as... She's psycho. As far as art, through...
00:41:43
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oh Changing through the times. I'm sorry. um But yeah, and I know you do ask, like... I know you... you Okay, i have to get I'm going put her in another room. She's like actually going to throw the laptop on the floor.
00:42:00
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we've got We're cool. that's I think we got it. but I mean, as far as that question. I know you ask um like what is art and we always say it's... a Okay. Art is you know, like in the documentary and one of the, um it's not in the trailer that you saw, but one of the artists, Mark Mack, he's like, art can be as simple as gardening. It could be moving some trash around. Like if you're creating something, that's art. it's ah It could be a way of living or like a way that you're expressing yourself. or There's so many forms of
00:42:42
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creativity and you don't have to be like a world-class painter to be making art. There's there's so many ways that you can
Art as Self-Realization
00:42:51
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make art. And I think, like that's like one of the most important parts of our existence. And one of my favorites, Alejandro Jodorowsky, like when you like making art is the best way to realize yourself. And um so like, and it can be in in any form from performance to literature to plans to anything like you can, art is so many things, but I think it's so important.
00:43:22
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Yeah. Um, I mean, coming from the skateboarding side of things, I think I've always really, um, Bukowski has this whole and Bukowski's problematic in some ways and and prolific in other ways. Um, but, uh, he had his poem about style is one of my favorite things ever. And, um, there's that third or fourth line in where he says to do a dangerous thing with style is art.
00:43:51
Speaker
And, um, that's always really deeply resonated with me. And then on the, on the other side of the spectrum there, as far as authors is Vonnegut, who, who says that like, um, just creating art shows you yourself. I'm paraphrasing, but he says like, it shows you who you are and it, it, it shows you your own soul. And I think those things, um, those are the quotes I think about when I think about what art is. Um, but it's, it's, ah you know, pretty in,
00:44:24
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ah yeah i think that's you know I really appreciate that. I mean i mean i love both of writers. well and The thing is, I want to tell you something about Bukowski. yeah Sure, he's fucking problematic, like but yeah he's like... right He taps into a like I'm an addict. ah like i've i've um I haven't drank sober from alcohol for 16 years. like Bukowski is going to tap into something and I fucking understand it. and like I don't know how to put into words. He did. but like Also laughing as fucking hard as you can imagine. like When I read post office or like aspects of faculty, there's tragic shit in there. I'll tell you another thing finally about Bukowski just for a little rant.
00:45:09
Speaker
My great friend, Wukong Tuan, taught me so much about Bukowski and taught me how not only it was okay, but it was highly recommended to read Bukowski. He was so a refugee from the bombing in in Southeast ah Asia, Laotian, and came to the United States, to just bombed to the United States and lived like out in Oregon, lived outside of Massachusetts. I met met him going to grad school.
00:45:34
Speaker
But when you talk to when you talk to somebody and they're talking about a writer who's a wild writer and saying, you know, basically that dude saved my life. yeah Like, right but they you know, but like, and I've heard that before. So for me, it's like, I think it can be cute and precious, like not to downgrade criticism of any sort when it comes to Bukowski. But I think it can be precious sometimes. And when you'd be like, okay, what about the vibe, like overall where this book has saved somebody's life? And I don't get that testimony anytime. It doesn't matter what book it is. Like if the book did that, I'm like, yeah, but now Vonnegut does that a lot. He probably does that for himself for me too. So like, there's a large connection of like,
00:46:12
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books and jenny had jenny's drinking her coffee in the breakfast of uh oh my god oh yeah i brought three my top three books of all time easily and back togo trout to what jenny said earlier is that art saves lives like it's like you see that a lot too with like yeah musicians and writers like people will find it and relate to it and it helps them get through what they're getting through and especially in this like the times that we're living in it's like our part you know like when we said your friend for the end of the world it's not like we want the world to end and we just want to dwell in doom and gloom but it's like and in an issue too there's a little more of like some of the commentary of what's happening coming in but it's like kind of meant to be a
00:47:04
Speaker
in some ways a vacuum where it's like ah a space where a safe space where you can go and like relate to people that aren't the problem. And then, but also like um document some of the art that's coming out. but um But yeah, I think overall it's important for us to be able to connect through art and build community through art.
00:47:28
Speaker
Sarah, ah tell us, tell us, um I want to make, your which over time should be obvious with the show. It's a very, very doom metal, very metal friendly show. And like, I feel like it'd be horrifically remiss not to ask you about your singing. Yeah.
00:47:51
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work within metal. Speaking of saving lives, I'm a metal warrior like myself. I listen a lot of different styles of music, but for getting out the unexplainable, it's metal. Sarah, tell us about like your metal stuff. I don't know how to ask you. the early 2000s, I started a band called Watch Me Burn, and it was a grindcore band, but we were kind of experimental So our my favorite description of us was avant grind.
Sarah's Musical Journey
00:48:22
Speaker
um But that's super fast, like blast beat, hardcore, crazy grindcore. And over the years, I wanted to get more into um like do metal, something slow, like something you can actually sink your teeth into and rock out to grindcore is very you like mathy.
00:48:39
Speaker
And it's really fun to play. But um now my heart, as far as like, vocally where I like to go. It's in do metal, but definitely like witchy, exorcist vibe vocals. But I will say like, as far, you know, like as just having another process of creativity, like when I go to band practice and like scream all that stuff out of my body, I feel like that's like my release. Like that's my therapy. That's my church. And I i do feel like when I go to metal shows, I've always said there's three
00:49:14
Speaker
Oh, now I'll have to think of the third. But there's three places in the world where I go and I feel like, oh, I remember the third. There's three things that when I'm doing, um i feel like I'm completely present and I can kind of like forget all the BS that's going on. And one of them is when I'm playing metal. The second one was when I'm in the mountains snowboarding. And the third one's when I'm in the dark room because you're just in this like,
00:49:39
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Yeah. yeah okay But metal for me, like you go to a metal show and like that is one of the places too in the world where I feel like, like okay, these are my people. And you see like a good metal band and you see the kids like,
00:49:54
Speaker
freaking out to it and like really passionate about it and then those are the few moments where I'm like okay we're gonna be okay the kids are all right like like you restore my faith in humanity to go to a good punk or metal show and see people get like really pumped up about it and then I'm like okay like this is this is the good in the world like right here in this pocket like It's very pure and authentic and raw. And like, I love having that in my life. And I'd say it's like hugely formative in my upbringing. Yeah. And there is music stuff coming. We have had some setbacks, but we will be putting something out on the doom metal side of things. And I, and I promise you her voice and what we've been working on is, is
00:50:39
Speaker
um So incredible. And ah there's there's points in rehearsals that we've had where I... fuck up my bass lines because I'm just like watching her and I'm just like holy shit that sounds and then I lose so um but we're yeah we we have ah we have there's an ongoing project that's sort of been delayed over and over again but speaking of metal I will say one of my favorite things about issue 2 that's about to come out all is we got um amazing access to GWAR I saw i saw the preview the preview for that I was like holy shit GWAR
00:51:15
Speaker
So my my mom bought me a th Thrasher magazine in November of 1990.
Interview with GWAR
00:51:20
Speaker
and she just, the cover is very unassuming and it's a skateboard mag. And I think we bought it at like an Albertsons or st Stater Brothers.
00:51:28
Speaker
And she gave me this magazine and I opened it up and the band they featured was Guar. And there's this like, like a half naked woman covered in blood and these monsters. And I was just like, as a horror fan, my whole life. And my mom gave me that my grandmother was like an avid Stephen King reader.
00:51:44
Speaker
I grew up with these like women who are really dark sense of, um, what, what they look to for entertainment. And I just was like, well, I instantly knew I shouldn't have this thing that I was holding in like the backseat of like Ford tempo or whatever we were in. And I was just like, and so,
00:52:02
Speaker
um got to interview Gizmak and Beefcake i think part yeah of Gwar in character. And so Sarah did this like with Gorman and um Roger Gassman from Beyond the Streets, this really beautiful art, ah like interview about how Gwar is this art collective of like film students and like these punks from... um that just created this, this thing that is such a big part of like the subculture and, and zeitgeist that, that, that we tap into. And then I got to just do, um, an interview with them and it's just like jokes and gore and blood and, and just the the low brow stupid shit that is perfect for me. So, um, that was like really full circle. And we actually, the article is going to be called art war, which is, I love it. It's very, very, um, yeah, that's, that's something.
00:53:01
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um metal kind of seeping its way into art bar. Naturally. It just kind of fell to our left. That's like one thing I didn't, when we were talking about all the genres we cover, we do have musicians in there, but it's like not a music magazine. It's usually musicians that have crossover into art world. So the first issue, like Nate No Faison is boyfriend Valerie J Bauer. Like she's a photographer. So it was about their collective work as a couple. And then issue two, we have Gwar.
00:53:30
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who is an art collective, and then Nadia, who's from Pussy Riot. Jenny, you and Sarah have very similar um hand tattoos. yeah I know! Nice. Oh, wow! i've been I've been thinking about it the whole time, and so I had to get it out of my brain.
00:53:47
Speaker
Thank you. Thank you. That's awesome. goodling They're beautiful. You had the artists, the tattoo artists on something rather than nothing. I have a i have a favorite tattoo artist, Renee Barish, ah who has done most of my work so far. you should probably let some other artists use me, but um so far is my mean my mean to like she did that her she's her out.
00:54:14
Speaker
Say it again. Oh, I'd love to check her out. I'm like a mishmash of a bunch of different stuff. We'll send that profile over. Sarah's blasted. yeah I love but my nice start again tattoos when I turned 40. I'm in the early 40s, 50s now and though ah most More than half of my tattoos by my really good friend, Sean Brown, is the lead singer Dag Nasty and Swizz out of DC. Oh, amazing. Yeah.
00:54:43
Speaker
not the 90s dc underground like nice um yeah yeah so um oh uh wanted to ask you ah both um uh listeners here have been here has talked about art bar the spirit around it new magazine listeners jump in check out what's there you're probably gonna find something that's really gonna connect to your mind but like But both of you, tell us where to where to get the magazine, where to come into contact to the your art and what excites you and video, et cetera.
00:55:19
Speaker
As far as Art Bar goes, um we have a website. It's artbarmagazine.com. And we have our little online shop, which is shop.artbarmagazine.com. But you can get to it through our website. We're on all the socials at artbarmagazine.com.
00:55:39
Speaker
um And we're in stores, we're in stores everywhere. And the second issue, it's um expanding to Canada and Europe and UK also, but... um We needed an international, we need this like international, it's called the ISSN and we can't get it right now because the government shut down because it's through the Library of Congress, but we're also going to be in the UK. um And, but yeah, the best way to support us is through subscribing and we're on all socials at Art Bar Mag and we're both, you know, like photographers and filmmakers. I have,
00:56:16
Speaker
an account called Sallicide, S-A-W-A-C-I-D-E. On Instagram. On Instagram. And I have a documentary called Passing Through um that should be streaming in 2026. And it's really, it is like really, I like,
00:56:39
Speaker
not just saying this because I'm in love with her. it It is really like beautiful. Every time we screen at every festival, people have been so um kind and and the discourse afterwards. It's it's like such a layered i we're both um filmmakers and and a huge Errol Morris person and and and one of the films we looked at when when she was in the post process was Errol Morris is fast cheap and out of control.
00:57:08
Speaker
um You mentioned Philip Glass earlier and um and Anyway, we we have our favorite Philip Glass stuff, too. But um again, my ADD is going to be a problem.
00:57:20
Speaker
But um like it it is this it's a sequence of vignettes of of people who live in this town, ah who have lived there since before.
00:57:32
Speaker
the economic and ecological um disasters that happened to the town and then the artists who've moved in to try to create new community there and the way those things have interacted to ah create a a completely new community and despite just so many barriers and, and devastating loss after loss um really is like a hauntingly beautiful film. I'm really proud of this girl. So you got to watch that.
00:58:05
Speaker
he's It'll be out there. Making a film right now that I helped on. It's a documentary about Zane Timpson called assume that it all
Professional Skateboarding League
00:58:13
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matters. yeah And he's curb killer on Instagram.
00:58:19
Speaker
Yep. and And they're starting a skateboard league called PSL. Yep. i yeah They just had a ah event yesterday. Yeah, so, ah yeah, that's... um There's... ah PSL Skateboarding is Professional Skateboarding League. I've been working in this in live broadcast and documentary filmmaking my whole life, and this thing kind of combines i'm the showrunner for the league, and so um there'll be a new season starting January 31st, and um and ah with with
00:58:51
Speaker
it's the brainchild of this amazing professional skateboarder, Mike Mo Capaldi, and what we're doing is essentially trying to create a league that... uses skateboarding as a sport and um because right now skateboarding is bigger than it's ever been but at the same time somehow skateboarders are not making any money they're not directly they're we're like everyone is struggling in i mean this economy right now is really tough but we're trying to create something that if if you weren't a skateboarder and you try to do this it wouldn't make any sense it would be really corny but something that's accessible to a much wider audience than skateboarders so if you like sports if you like
00:59:28
Speaker
Tony Hawk Pro Skater or um King of the Road or those types of things. ah If you like sports, this is something you can follow without having the really nuanced, nerdy um um knowledge that it takes to follow a typical skateboard contest. You can watch what's happening and understand who's winning and what needs to happen. if You're going to learn about these people, these incredible people that are involved and their personalities and though and that ah it's It's something we've been working on for a couple of years that's finally about to launch that I'm really excited about.
01:00:01
Speaker
um And then, um yeah, I think that's really... that's And then eventually we our band will have something out there. But that's why there's many reasons why the band has sort of fallen to the wayside. Well, the whole... every We lost two of our members had to move out of l a probably kind of due to economic and well not make this pretty because we can cut the band part out the point is that yeah the main my whole passion right now is art bar magazine so that's like my
01:00:41
Speaker
nights and weekends and all of our time is going into giving that like everything we have to yeah and and as as documentary filmmakers we talked about the digital side of things and obviously our focus has been on the analog print side and dealing with film and storytelling but the entire time the entire year we've been working on art bar and as we move into completing issue three as two is about to drop.
01:01:06
Speaker
We have been filming um and and creating and documenting the entire process with, with almost every artist and every story. And we're going to be rolling those out digitally. There'll be a YouTube. And so if you follow the website, we we will have, there's quite a bit of, there's a, there's a large backlog of video, of video and documentary features and, and small and short form features that are going to be coming out that we're really proud of. um And ah so yeah,
01:01:37
Speaker
We have a ton of video. We just haven't had time to edit it. So that'll be... There'll be a whole... like The main thing was being able to have this video platform that goes with the magazine. So that will be coming soon. Yeah.
01:01:52
Speaker
There's about... There's us two at the helm of Art Bar. And again, Sarah is... I could never do what she has done with this thing. And then we have...
01:02:04
Speaker
ah It's us too, but we have an amazing art director, Jason Culp, and our copy editor is Val and Lambert. That's it. That's where that's just us. There's some writers that have come in as freelance to to help with.
01:02:19
Speaker
There's a lot love and contribution in there right off the bat. You'll just build off of that the way I see it and talking about the like the collective part here. Subscribe if you can because ah we need...
01:02:31
Speaker
we have We want to bring some more folks in, editors for the digital side, and um ah and that's that's what keeps the magazine alive is direct support. I mean, obviously, second to that is an independently owned bookstore, and Barnes & Noble, if that's what's near you, go grab it, please. and and um and ah but But yeah, that that's the best way to so support what we're doing and um what we're most proud of right now.
01:02:58
Speaker
It's my favorite project I've ever worked on. I do a lot of like passion projects. My day job, i work in film and I'm a camera person. She's a director of photography. she's and But I do, for some reason, I like to torture myself with these like um like self-funded passion projects and done a lot of like documentaries and just different little things. But I'd say as far as things that we're starting on our own with no parents, just this is our...
01:03:27
Speaker
creation art bar is my favorite thing that I've ever worked on. Yeah, easily. and And I would say, um you know, we're both in our 40s and I think that both of us have had things in our lives we're proud of, but they've kind of everything we're doing right now. it feels like this, this really like everything has led to this. Yeah. it in it And it makes a lot of sense. And so I feel like when I was in my twenties and thirties and despite things that were working or not working, um I always had this imposter syndrome or this, like, I'm not as far as I should
Embracing Life's Journey
01:04:05
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be in my life. So if you're,
01:04:06
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in that space and hearing this and just know that like man this this era this this phase we're in right now has been so fulfilling and beautiful and um there's no time limit for anything like some people make movies in their 20s and they do these beautiful things that that there's no blueprint for how your life should go and for how your career should go or or how your art should um unfold. So be nice to yourself.
01:04:38
Speaker
right Yeah. Thank you. Wow.
Art as Hope and Resilience
01:04:41
Speaker
Get in on Art Bar. You know, follow up conversations with Sarah and Ira in the directions of Doom Metal, further skate boarding videos, um bombs. I've seen some of those downhill bombs in like San Francisco ah videos Like,
01:05:02
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uh i've been exposed to skateboarding in front of me and on video it's thrilling to me i like talking about how that's connected to what you're doing and um just really ah glad to meet and and and talk to you and mix it up about this art stuff and um and seriously too like having the courage to like express yourself and have that kind of good energy. like I mean, i feel, speaking for myself, that times are as fucked up as anything I've seen in my life breathing here on this planet in this iteration. But hey, like I also see some like bright spots. I think it's like things feel super intense. And it' like this really feels like fundamentally shitty. like It really does. And then like on this other end, being like,
01:05:50
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these kind of confluences or like what art's doing like and when art's saying like fuck you like this shit's fucked up with in whatever way like that's like there's so much energy in that and and when you have a sensitivity i feel like that's why it's good to connect with you and be like shit like we still gotta do this art thing and probably twice as more if we can hold up right yeah yeah it's more important now than it ever has been i feel like you know And it was so good to meet you guys too. like Thank you for putting out this podcast and talking to artists and having these conversations.
01:06:26
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I hope we continue staying in touch after this. Absolutely. You should let us know when you're in Oregon. we will be. yeah um Yeah. And also because his brother moved there. And also I hope you, like we didn't make the edit too hard. If there's dumb cuts, it's our fault. No, it's like, um no, we wanted to throw everything into it And i even said it up front to like, um just like there's different things to like ah get into, like, just like even like,
01:07:03
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Like the doom metal. Like I could tell you about Eric Manchester nonstop three hours straight right now. yeah You're like, wow, that that guy's like a doom theologian philosopher. He looks like a Viking.
01:07:16
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nice he is He is an embodiment. And I forget last count if he had 2000 or 3000 dual metal CDs from around the world. And I'm like, we can open a museum or some shit. That's what I'm like, what's my next step? Do metal like CD museum. I don't know. Yeah, it sounds reasonable.
01:07:39
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I'm old enough to remember the the like little listening centers in Tower Records where you could go and listen and you put the headphones on. you know like That'd be amazing. i used to You said used to work at a bookstore. I used to work at Tower Records for in the late 90s for a while. that was my and we carry like magazines Did you I I was, you know...
01:07:59
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i did like i was you know in my late, you know, my late tees, I ended up becoming their music buyer and their import buyer. So for my age at that time, that was an awesome job because I got every free promo CD that I wanted oh and got into like any show that I wanted. And back then I had the energy to go to three, four shows a week where now I would never, but like, But to have that job at that time and just be like, yeah, I want to go to this show or I want this CD, like that was a ah great, that was really fun job. and the scene, sound, like in the scene, like hearing everything.
01:08:38
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Yeah, discovered so much music working there that I might not have. Like I just had, act like it was nice to have access to imports and like things that, yeah, it was a good job I wouldn't do it now, but that was a good job at the time. Yeah.
01:08:54
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And you met Shawn. Yeah. my friend One of my record company reps was our my friend Shawn, who ended up founding co-founding this really great gallery called Think Space, which is an issue one. It's like called 20 Years of Think Space. And yeah she passed on from cancer, but like they're still just trying to like keep her memory alive through the gallery and all that. But I know her from back in the tower.
01:09:20
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Tower Records days. Yeah. Pre-gallery or any of that. um Yeah, it was a good good era. And it's been really useful in this whole magazine. Like, I know how distribution works. I know how buyers work. Like, all of that. So it kind of helped. Which is amazing because I don't know how any of that shit works.
01:09:40
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It's been fun to learn about, yeah. I, uh, I, uh, well, we're done recording like this whole minute. Yeah, we're just
01:09:58
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This is something rather than nothing.