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Associate Professor Tess Vawser - ASC2025
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Coming again to you from the 2025 Australasian Simulation Congress - Mel had the opportunity to have a chat with Tess Vawser, Director of Clinical Education and Simulation at Epworth HealthCare about their fantastic undergraduate IPE simulation project within a health service.
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Transcript
Intro
Introduction to Tess Forza and Her Project
00:00:40
Melanie Barlow
Hey everyone, we're at the ah ah so Australasian Sim Congress here in Adelaide and I've just been in a session where Tess Bosnock was talking about a project that she recently did and I thought it was really good and super exciting.
00:00:56
Melanie Barlow
So I thought I would grab her and um have a chat about it. so hey Tess.
00:01:01
Tess Vawser
Hi, Mel. Thank you so much. So good to catch up with you. And thank you.
00:01:05
Melanie Barlow
Do you want to just, I guess, introduce yourself?
00:01:05
Tess Vawser
yeah
00:01:08
Melanie Barlow
Like, you know, people would be hiding under a rock in Australia if they didn't know you, but do you want to introduce yourself and where you work?
00:01:14
Tess Vawser
Thank you. Yeah, thank you. That's sweet. So I suppose I do see myself as a bit of a human switchboard. I like to connect people. So if I haven't introduced you to someone, and please next time come up and grab me and I can introduce you around.
Tess's Role and Passion for Interprofessional Teams
00:01:29
Tess Vawser
So my name is Tess Forza and I am Director of Clinical Education and Simulation at Epworth Healthcare. I have been involved in simulation for many, many years. Hospital based is really my jam from and my passion is around that interprofessional multidisciplinary teams within and training within the hospital system.
00:01:55
Tess Vawser
So Epworth Healthcare is a private non-for-profit, but we are a big education institution for many, many health professionals. So ah ah the undergraduate really sits with me and also our education areas involving many simulation sites across Victoria within our hospitals.
00:02:17
Melanie Barlow
Yeah, so you've got many sites and you've also set up many sim centres at those sites and you've done a lot of things.
00:02:21
Tess Vawser
Yeah. Yeah. yeah Yeah.
00:02:26
Melanie Barlow
And also, yeah for many years in Australia, you've, you know, led from a national level, you are heavily involved in ASH, so the Australian Society of Simulation and Healthcare for many years on the exec committee.
00:02:36
Tess Vawser
so
00:02:39
Melanie Barlow
And now you're on the exec committee for Victoria Simulation Alliance. So
00:02:44
Tess Vawser
Absolutely, yeah. I'm trying to transition to part-time at the moment, but here we go
00:02:49
Melanie Barlow
and Good luck with that.
00:02:52
Tess Vawser
We'll see how we could go. yeah.
Simulation Project for Nursing and Medical Students
00:02:55
Tess Vawser
Thanks.
00:02:56
Melanie Barlow
So let's talk a bit about your project. So it was with undergraduate students and it was interprofessional, including Sim. Do you want to tell us a bit about it and why and how you got the results you did?
00:03:05
Tess Vawser
Yeah, i so like the title of my project is really about what the impact of interprofessional simulation junior doctors and nurses' confidence mediating patients during their first clinical practice years. But what we're really doing is putting the final year nursing and medical students through really true interprofessional simulation experience um over. And we've been doing it now for about three years. So it's sort of and ah ah a study that we're looking at bringing them together. So obviously we know that they work together once they're out in their intern and grad years.
00:03:47
Tess Vawser
And we understand the issues that the universities are having, trying to get these professions to actually learn together with each other purely because of the amount of students that there are.
00:04:00
Tess Vawser
So we're fortunate Epworth that we're actually a clinical school for Melbourne University medical students. So we do have students who are embedded within our facilities from their second year MD2 right through to MD4. So we have them that come and live with us for for those three years.
00:04:20
Tess Vawser
three years And we're very fortunate we have a fellowship model with our Deakin nursing students and also a fellowship model with our homes Holmsglen So our Deakin nursing students are registered nursing students and our homes Glen we do have registered, but we have also have the diploma students.
00:04:39
Tess Vawser
So we were very fortunate for when they're on our placements, we've been able to come to an agreement that we can have some of these students come up and do some simulations in their final year.
00:04:49
Melanie Barlow
So what do you mean by fellowship?
00:04:52
Tess Vawser
Okay, so it means that these nursing students have elected to do their repetitive placements within our facilities.
00:04:59
Melanie Barlow
Okay.
00:05:01
Tess Vawser
So that's how we...
00:05:01
Melanie Barlow
Okay.
00:05:02
Tess Vawser
So we have partnership models with lots of... disciplines and various education providers, but the fellowship students, really, they've done most of their placements within our facilities.
00:05:14
Tess Vawser
We've got so many places we can offer them. So so over the three years, 21, 22 and 23, we were able to allocate students during their placements to be involved in these interprofessional simulations.
00:05:22
Melanie Barlow
but
00:05:28
Tess Vawser
So, yeah.
00:05:29
Melanie Barlow
ah Can I just ask, because that in itself is like a project in itself.
00:05:36
Tess Vawser
Absolutely. Absolutely.
00:05:38
Melanie Barlow
How did you get different unis agreeing to their students coming together on placement to engage in Sim
00:05:44
Tess Vawser
Right. Yeah. So that's what take me. So I've literally had these, um this, director role now for 14 years with your net work So over the years, I've been able to speak to the deans at the universities.
00:05:58
Tess Vawser
And as long as it sort of fits in with some part of their curriculum, it may it it meets their understanding. So I know that we've had that issues around how many hours a nurse needs to be on placement.
00:06:12
Tess Vawser
But when we're bringing them up for a simulation experience, we're bringing them up for literally two hours. So they're coming, they're doing we they're in their groups. So we can see that as either a part of their debriefing experience that they would normally be allocated to.
00:06:29
Tess Vawser
And initially what we did when we first did the study is we brought them up with their buddy nurse. So, and we've always had that agreement that no that they couldn't come to any other sort of education experience that may be on offer or
00:06:36
Melanie Barlow
Great.
Challenges in University Agreements and Partnerships
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Tess Vawser
grand rounds or guest lecturers.
00:06:48
Tess Vawser
So, we've always involved our students within any education opportunity that's available. So, we were were able to, yeah yeah, get it through.
00:06:55
Melanie Barlow
I'm you.
00:06:58
Tess Vawser
yeah.
00:06:59
Melanie Barlow
and yeah
00:06:59
Tess Vawser
And that particular that particular day, they don't have to come up. They come up while they're on shift. They come up for their two hours, but then they're not allocated to come up for their so-called debrief with their clinical facilitator later on that day because the facilitators are involved in this
00:07:15
Melanie Barlow
Thank you.
00:07:18
Tess Vawser
six within the simulations. So they really aim to enhance the knowledge of the roles and skills about each other from each other.
00:07:29
Tess Vawser
And then obviously we're allowed to do those other communication, teamwork and leadership. So it gives them an understanding of that throughout the simulations.
00:07:42
Melanie Barlow
Excellent. So how many students would you get at a time and what are some of the scenarios?
00:07:47
Tess Vawser
Yeah. so We m around i probably about 18 to 24 medical students and our suit and up to 32 of our nursing students that are in our groups.
00:08:03
Tess Vawser
So in 2021, we had a pilot, we basically had a pilot structure where we would have the University of Melbourne medical students and our Deakin University Bachelor of Nursing Students.
00:08:18
Tess Vawser
We would bring them up for but that year, we brought them up for two sessions and two scenarios per session. So scenario, their first scenario would be a shortness of breath, post admission with pneumonia.
00:08:30
Tess Vawser
The second scenario was a chest discomfort, post hip fracture and surgery. So really sort of a respiratory one and a
00:08:41
Tess Vawser
cardiac scenario. In 2022, again, we, but this year we brought them up for three SIM sessions over the period of the year then two scenarios per session. So again, a a respiratory and a
00:09:00
Tess Vawser
a cardiac and every every over the period of the 12 months and the three SIM sessions they came to there was increased complexity with each simulation.
00:09:14
Tess Vawser
2023, we were able to then include the diploma students Again, that year we could only allocate them because allocation was huge.
00:09:28
Tess Vawser
Allocation was huge and amazing Brooke Alexander working with our nurse facilitators to get these. And when they're allocated to and to work with the unis and our clinical schools to make sure that they were allocated.
00:09:40
Tess Vawser
But in 2022 23, we went back to doing the two s SIM sessions and the two scenarios per session. Again, a shortness of breath and a respiratory and a cardiac.
00:09:53
Tess Vawser
Again, increasing complexity with each SIM. this particular ah ah year, they were allocated to the same group for each simulation because we were able to do that.
00:10:04
Melanie Barlow
Mm-hmm.
00:10:05
Tess Vawser
Interesting enough, that showed us that the difference between the 2022 and the 2023 was that it actually showed that two was enough to keep up their confidence and competence of understanding of interprofessional.
Measuring Program Effectiveness
00:10:26
Tess Vawser
That really showed us then that that really showed us then that we could go back and just to say that the interprofessional simulation program was effective in improving their interprofessional competency because of the subjective self-reporting and the objective observational measures.
00:10:38
Melanie Barlow
Thank you.
00:10:49
Tess Vawser
And it also showed that the the efficiency of we could do it in two, which was terrific. So that because obviously there's, was it was most efficient and effective method and it sustained significant improvement in the interdisciplinary values and interactions.
00:11:11
Melanie Barlow
So is that because the same groups stayed together so they were learning and improving upon performance together?
00:11:23
Melanie Barlow
That was the difference, wasn't it, that the students stayed together?
00:11:25
Tess Vawser
Yeah, the and then we wanted to see whether it was from the timing of it.
00:11:31
Melanie Barlow
Mm-hmm.
00:11:31
Tess Vawser
So when we did the three groups, they came sort of mid beginning of the mid year, mid-year and final final year, just when they're going into final year.
00:11:38
Melanie Barlow
Yep.
00:11:40
Tess Vawser
But when we did the two sessions, we had them in mid-year and final part of the year.
00:11:44
Melanie Barlow
Okay.
00:11:45
Tess Vawser
So we're showing now that, well, the 2023, then when we did it in 24, it showed that they maintained the same level.
00:11:58
Melanie Barlow
Okay.
00:11:58
Tess Vawser
So we did the, we had IPEC scoring. We had all the e all the research gums that you all, yeah.
00:12:06
Melanie Barlow
Yes.
00:12:07
Tess Vawser
the
00:12:07
Melanie Barlow
Just research what people do.
00:12:09
Tess Vawser
I know you. like I love you, research people. I wish I'd met you all many, many, many years ago because I've got so much data, so many. We've filmed it all. Anyway, we've got it all there.
00:12:18
Melanie Barlow
Yeah.
00:12:19
Tess Vawser
We've done the right thing, so we've done it. We've done it now.
00:12:22
Melanie Barlow
Well, you had some great photos, which we can't show on an audio medium, but did you want to explain explain those photos showed?
00:12:25
Tess Vawser
I know. I wish I could. This is one photo. Yeah, ah I know. there's This is one photo, and I really don't even have to talk about it. I can just show this photo, and it's –
00:12:35
Melanie Barlow
Yeah.
00:12:38
Tess Vawser
I describe it as what I, there's this photo of scenario before we did the debrief and scenario post debrief. So basically it has all, there's eight students in the room and all four of the nursing staff.
00:12:58
Tess Vawser
staff are at the head of the bed with the patient and the four to five medical or whoever, how many we've got in there are down at the end of the bed chatting away, chatting away.
00:13:03
Melanie Barlow
Yeah, gather them
00:13:10
Tess Vawser
it was just a snapshot of one. And then we've done the debrief and we've talked to them about, love we've covered off on clinically, you know what the scenario was and you know what they did well and what they would like look forward to do differently next time.
00:13:25
Tess Vawser
And then we've talked about those sort of team aspects and understanding of each other's roles and things. so it sort of highlights because I know they're coming for scenarios and then they know it's about interprofessional but then we threw them we put them back into the next scenario and then you see this there's this great photo of they're all like paired off we have a nurse with a medical medical but nurse and medical with nurse so I've been able to just show that by just I'm just circling the colours and just saying, wow, look at that before and after.
00:13:58
Tess Vawser
So, yeah, it is. And then I have it also on video too. So it's a beautiful image of what the power of that debrief happens and when they explore it themselves.
00:14:08
Melanie Barlow
Yes.
00:14:11
Tess Vawser
Yeah.
00:14:12
Melanie Barlow
Yeah.
00:14:12
Tess Vawser
So, again, connecting people, connecting people so and connecting what they're what they're doing. So what we're doing now is that we're thinking that we're making a difference and we have, we've shown that we're making a difference at the undergraduate while they're in their final year and understanding their own profession and understanding each other.
Student Feedback on Program Impact
00:14:34
Tess Vawser
But what we thought we'd do now, and Brooke Alexander is now following through with this again, and thank you. to have a wonderful philanthropy our Epworth Medical Foundation that helps us fund this research, which is great because we're all clinical and we're all sort of working full time as we as we go along with this.
00:14:52
Melanie Barlow
Yeah.
00:14:54
Tess Vawser
So what we have now surveying the students, now they're out in their grade year and their intern
00:15:02
Tess Vawser
And it's it's been, phenomenal because not only are we getting a really good return rate because we're content.
00:15:10
Melanie Barlow
Which is unusual.
00:15:11
Tess Vawser
Yeah, yeah. I think it's, yeah. So we found that really, but that really highlighted the fact that they were really keen to get back to us.
00:15:19
Melanie Barlow
Yes.
00:15:21
Tess Vawser
We asked their permission and i don't know what it's like with you guys, but if you're trying to find a student through their university email address, six months, 12 months after they're finished, you can't get yeah you just can't get hold of them.
00:15:35
Tess Vawser
we do we do get their personal emails as part of the research project and um then, yeah, we we contact them.
00:15:42
Melanie Barlow
Well done.
00:15:42
Tess Vawser
So the amazing Brooke, so she's been helping follow follow them up. So, and we're really interested then in you know, more so the interprofessional, you know, their role understanding, their teamwork and their communication and examples of did what they learnt in the simulation or do they remember what was covered off in the simulation that may have now carried through in a deteriorating patient event.
00:16:11
Tess Vawser
Role understanding, you know, there's some great quotes, you know, from a nurse saying I i learnt that Doctors are very welcoming of our input and assistance as a nurse that everyone can bring to different skills and ideas to a situation because obviously during the simulations we empower them to speak up.
00:16:31
Melanie Barlow
Yeah.
00:16:32
Tess Vawser
Yeah. Whereas in the medical students, is oh, well, this is interns saying I realise the limitations of my practice and how important it is for everyone to be on the same page so that each member of the team can effectively execute the plan.
00:16:33
Melanie Barlow
Well done.
00:16:45
Tess Vawser
They're just ah it's valuable. Teamwork.
00:16:48
Melanie Barlow
It is so valuable because when they stick to their own discipline groups, you become socialised into a particular way of thinking.
00:16:49
Tess Vawser
Example.
00:16:56
Melanie Barlow
So having exposure to those different perspectives, in the undergraduate years, I think is so formative and so important.
00:17:05
Tess Vawser
And these are comments coming from a grad nurse six months in or four months in, four to six months in and and an intern who's four to six months in.
00:17:12
Melanie Barlow
Yeah.
00:17:17
Tess Vawser
know, teamwork there saying things like medical, one was from a, know, Metcorp for hypoxia. i had a t I had to team lead without senior medical support. Was able to draw from the expertise of the experienced nursing staff and direct junior nursing staff in an organised manner.
00:17:36
Tess Vawser
That's gold.
00:17:37
Melanie Barlow
Amazing.
00:17:38
Tess Vawser
That's gold.
00:17:38
Melanie Barlow
It's cool.
00:17:38
Tess Vawser
I mean, this is why we do it. This is why we do it.
00:17:40
Melanie Barlow
Yeah, yeah.
00:17:41
Tess Vawser
You know, I mean, i just just see these comments and I think, oh You know, which we're on the right track here with it.
00:17:49
Melanie Barlow
Can you present next time when you get those results in?
00:17:52
Tess Vawser
Yeah.
00:17:54
Melanie Barlow
That would be super interesting.
00:17:55
Tess Vawser
Yeah. So this is again. So there's our what we thought we'd do for the 2026 There's a bit coming through with wanting to speak up more.
00:18:06
Melanie Barlow
Oh, hello.
00:18:06
Tess Vawser
I know, and look at you with your work with hearing. So I'm thinking, and this is what's leading, so Brooke's going to be looking at this down the track too. So
00:18:21
Tess Vawser
this is from a nursing student oh grad. Sometimes it's hard to speak up in a busy, stressful clinical situation. However, I learnt from the simulation that communication is key to achieving optimal goals and outcomes.
00:18:34
Melanie Barlow
Hmm. frame that.
00:18:36
Tess Vawser
If you don't communicate, essential time gets wasted.
00:18:42
Melanie Barlow
Oh, like literally frame it.
00:18:42
Tess Vawser
So I know. i know. i know. i know. How good is that? How good is that? So, look, this is why I
Team Acknowledgments and Future Impact
00:18:49
Tess Vawser
do it. And I'm sorry, I'm not a really research academic, but I just love it.
00:18:50
Melanie Barlow
yeah
00:18:53
Melanie Barlow
No, that's amazing work, Tess.
00:18:56
Tess Vawser
Yeah.
00:18:56
Melanie Barlow
yeah
00:18:57
Tess Vawser
You know, other things, I had the confidence to call the doctor, discuss my and concerns and advocate for the patient. I mean, that's what a nurse is for, isn't it?
00:19:04
Melanie Barlow
Yeah.
00:19:05
Tess Vawser
You know, so... Yeah, it was just, it's just great.
00:19:07
Melanie Barlow
important though and I guess it highlights how simulation you know in Australia it's not allowed to replace any clinical hours but what an important adjunct to their learning and they wouldn't get that experience in a placement beyond simulation like when does that ever happen on a placement where you have that learning and debrief interprofessionally about an experience and
00:19:09
Tess Vawser
um Yeah.
00:19:20
Tess Vawser
Yeah. Yeah.
00:19:27
Tess Vawser
yeah
00:19:32
Tess Vawser
yeah And that's true, mo like all of the debriefs. It was, co-designed, that's the new term, isn't it? Co-designed our scenarios. I've always said that.
00:19:42
Tess Vawser
If you want to bring a nurse in, you have to have a nurse help design.
00:19:45
Melanie Barlow
Yeah.
00:19:45
Tess Vawser
If you want to bring medical in, you have a medical. So that's always been my mantra anyway. Don't turn the, sea that we're we're not unlocking scenario. Sim Lab or opening up the Sim Lab if you're not bringing another profession or unless you can tell me why you're doing it.
00:19:59
Melanie Barlow
Yeah.
00:20:00
Tess Vawser
Yeah, which is fine. And obviously we have, you know, if the learning objectives are in specific, you know, uni discipline, that's fine.
00:20:10
Tess Vawser
So we did all the right things. We got it all validated. We did the whole of the co-design. We had the students look back the following year to say if there were any need to change the scenarios.
00:20:23
Tess Vawser
All they ask for is to increase complexity for the final year.
00:20:26
Melanie Barlow
All
00:20:27
Tess Vawser
So they do look at the technical side of it.
00:20:29
Melanie Barlow
and
00:20:30
Tess Vawser
Yep. So that that worked really well.
00:20:36
Melanie Barlow
right. So what one takeaway for anyone thinking about doing this.
00:20:36
Tess Vawser
We... Yep, sorry.
00:20:45
Melanie Barlow
Patience.
00:20:46
Tess Vawser
Absolutely. So I've been wanting to, I've wanted to do this for about six or seven years. So it took me about six or seven years to then get it done. have Have it integrated now into their curriculum somehow while they're on placement, especially the the ah medical clinical schools.
00:21:05
Tess Vawser
We're sharing it with all the other university sites, the Melbourne university sites too. I can't, i can't I'm not able at this stage to put, you know, the 800 or 1,000 nursing students through the scenario with the 200 medical students or whatever it may be.
00:21:27
Tess Vawser
But it's okay if we all...
00:21:29
Melanie Barlow
Yeah.
00:21:30
Tess Vawser
Just do our bit. Yeah.
00:21:31
Melanie Barlow
Yeah.
00:21:31
Tess Vawser
So whether it's, you you know, 36 nursing students and 20 medical students every year, but eventually we'll make a difference.
00:21:37
Melanie Barlow
Yeah.
00:21:40
Tess Vawser
So, yeah. So small is okay.
00:21:41
Melanie Barlow
Amazing. It's a great model.
00:21:43
Tess Vawser
Small is okay. Yeah. Yeah.
00:21:45
Melanie Barlow
Yeah, and look at the difference, you know, it's making not only for those students but those patients within those reflective experiences as well.
00:21:48
Tess Vawser
Just a comment.
00:21:52
Tess Vawser
Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah.
00:21:55
Melanie Barlow
Well, congrats, Tess. That's an amazing job and your team.
00:21:57
Tess Vawser
Well, thank you. I mean, there's been a big team that helped.
00:21:58
Melanie Barlow
like Yeah.
00:22:00
Tess Vawser
We've got the Deakin Nursing Research team along with the Melbourne University, our clinical school.
00:22:11
Melanie Barlow
I hope you're writing it up.
00:22:12
Tess Vawser
And then obviously there's a lot of the you know my clinical education and simulation team involved in the running of the days also.
00:22:20
Melanie Barlow
Yeah.
00:22:21
Tess Vawser
Yeah, there you can imagine they're big days.
00:22:23
Melanie Barlow
Yeah.
00:22:23
Tess Vawser
Yeah, and people are giving up their time to come. So it's been it's been amazing. so And thank you for the what you know the wonderful students.
00:22:31
Melanie Barlow
Yes.
00:22:31
Tess Vawser
I generally, and I put a photo up at the end, I generally believe our future is in good hands.
00:22:38
Melanie Barlow
That's awesome to know.
00:22:39
Tess Vawser
Yeah, yeah, so we're lucky.
00:22:40
Melanie Barlow
Are you going to write this up?
00:22:43
Tess Vawser
Ah, you're there. Yes, so oh if somebody, someone said, oh I need to do it, need to do it. So, yeah, so I'm... um I've a, what do you call it when it's in review?
00:22:54
Melanie Barlow
Oh yeah.
00:22:55
Tess Vawser
Well, you know, they keep coming back and they keep coming back.
00:22:56
Melanie Barlow
So you've submitted it.
00:22:57
Tess Vawser
I've submitted it. Yeah.
00:22:58
Melanie Barlow
Oh yes. So it's, we're close.
00:23:00
Tess Vawser
So when I went to the i went to the i went at the top. I went to the major one because I thought this is, I've got one paper in me.
00:23:05
Melanie Barlow
That's great.
00:23:07
Tess Vawser
We'll see how we go with this.
00:23:08
Melanie Barlow
Good luck
00:23:09
Tess Vawser
Mentoring the others on to lead on. So, yeah.
00:23:13
Melanie Barlow
Very good.
00:23:13
Tess Vawser
So you might see my name, but you'll definitely see Professor Anna Hutchinson from the Deakin Research and then Brooke Alexandre onwards and upwards.
00:23:24
Tess Vawser
Yeah, so let's see how we go.
00:23:24
Melanie Barlow
Brilliant.
00:23:26
Tess Vawser
And obviously the medical school are very involved in it. Yeah, so it's been great. So, yeah, thank you that.
00:23:31
Melanie Barlow
So I look forward reading that.
00:23:33
Tess Vawser
Yeah.
00:23:34
Melanie Barlow
Just before we wrap up, so we've kind of almost at the end of the Congress, what's
Highlights from Australasian Sim Congress
00:23:39
Melanie Barlow
been your highlights?
00:23:40
Tess Vawser
Yeah, how good is this little booth? Everybody needs a booth.
00:23:42
Melanie Barlow
Yes, there's these little quiet timeout booths around the place, which is excellent.
00:23:47
Tess Vawser
Yeah, they're great. Yeah, we're building a, we're actually building a new, ah it's called our Brooks Academy. It's a building with we've um for nursing and midwifery at Epworth. And I love it, loving these booths.
00:24:02
Tess Vawser
Yeah, little quiet booths.
00:24:03
Melanie Barlow
All right, there you go
00:24:04
Tess Vawser
Yeah, little podcast booth. Well done. Thank you.
00:24:06
Melanie Barlow
go. So what's been your highlight?
00:24:12
Tess Vawser
For the conference?
00:24:13
Melanie Barlow
Yeah.
00:24:13
Tess Vawser
Yeah, well, obviously networking, it's always nice. hadn't actually been, missed the two years ago and before, obviously before COVID we were all at them. So yeah, so it's been nice to catch up.
00:24:26
Tess Vawser
i It was really interesting. There's been a lot of presentations around using ai
00:24:33
Melanie Barlow
yeah
00:24:34
Tess Vawser
So, you know, I mean, I was doing a bit of chat GPT to correct my emails or maybe do a little bit of things, but Really, it's been quite interesting. we did I went to one, it was really around even scenario creation, you know, and they wanted to look at the, con you know, it's what you put in to ask, you know.
00:24:55
Melanie Barlow
Yes.
00:24:55
Tess Vawser
So that was that was quite good. So the guys from Perth are doing some great things around that and gave us and a great example. So with the context, request, actions, frame, template, and ask for examples, it's what you ask them.
00:25:07
Tess Vawser
And the amazing Vic Brazel also talked to us about, you know, how So that was a good keynote.
00:25:13
Melanie Barlow
Yep.
00:25:13
Tess Vawser
I suppose one of my real highlights was the, we had the students from different universities, from different professions, they called it SimStars.
00:25:26
Melanie Barlow
Oh, the same stuff.
00:25:28
Tess Vawser
That's right.
00:25:28
Melanie Barlow
Yeah.
00:25:28
Tess Vawser
Yeah. So, and that was on on um the this morning. So with the SimStars, they got them to, create the scenario writing together.
00:25:40
Tess Vawser
So it was really around scenario writing and then obviously they had an a opportunity to run the scenarios this on stage. b And this was going over a period, so this was like the grand finals and I hadn't really thought that how important Well, or how you could actually do interprofessional education by writing the scenarios
SimStars Program and Interprofessional Education
00:26:09
Tess Vawser
together.
00:26:09
Melanie Barlow
have
00:26:10
Tess Vawser
It was a real aha moment. I mean, obviously they had to then and create the scenarios. but I think if the universities are really struggling with trying to get the interprofessional sims done, get them to start writing together.
00:26:26
Melanie Barlow
Yeah.
00:26:27
Tess Vawser
You know, there was great. We had some pharmacists and physio
00:26:29
Melanie Barlow
And some of them are really complex communication interactions that they jumped off beautifully.
00:26:33
Tess Vawser
They were, yeah. the I think the winner the winners were um um ah pharmacy and physios writing a scenario scenarios together around chronic pain.
00:26:42
Melanie Barlow
Yeah.
00:26:47
Tess Vawser
it it was It was terrific. A translational, using translators in the emergency department was another one.
00:26:54
Melanie Barlow
Yeah.
00:26:57
Melanie Barlow
That was a really good one.
00:26:57
Tess Vawser
They were really intelligently written scenarios, yeah.
00:27:00
Melanie Barlow
Yeah.
00:27:01
Tess Vawser
so i that To me, that was an aha moment is, okay, wow, we should be getting these guys to be writing the scenarios together.
00:27:06
Melanie Barlow
Yeah.
00:27:10
Tess Vawser
Anyway, next time.
00:27:11
Melanie Barlow
Brilliant.
00:27:12
Tess Vawser
But it was great.
00:27:12
Melanie Barlow
Well, thank you so much.
00:27:13
Tess Vawser
So they called they called it SimStars, which was terrific.
00:27:16
Melanie Barlow
Yep.
00:27:16
Tess Vawser
But, yeah, kudos to them all.
00:27:18
Melanie Barlow
So thank you for your time today, tess and taking time out to have a chat and share your work.
00:27:24
Tess Vawser
Yeah, thanks, Mel.
Conclusion and Future Hopes
00:27:26
Tess Vawser
Thank you so much and good luck with the podcast.
00:27:29
Melanie Barlow
Thank you and I look forward to reading your paper.
00:27:32
Tess Vawser
Okay, we'll see. Thank you. Bye.
00:27:34
Melanie Barlow
Bye