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Week 13 Fantasy Football Love/Hate - Jeudy, Irving, Conner, Addison and more
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In this episode of Bush League Huddle, Rog breaks down why Brian Thomas Jr. is a must-start against the Texans’ porous defense. We also preview Jerry Jeudy’s revenge game versus Denver, where his slot usage could exploit matchups, and Nacc highlights Bucky Irving’s favorable matchup against Carolina, solidifying his status as a playoff MVP.
Fab dives into Jordan Addison’s hot streak and why he’s primed for big plays against Arizona, while also defending Jonathan Taylor’s RB2 potential despite his struggles. But it’s not all love—Rog warns against starting Najee Harris, whose volume is dwindling, and calls for a fantasy benching of Kirk Cousins. Nacc fades Jaxon Smith-Njigba against the Jets' elite secondary, while Fab advises caution with Caleb Williams and James Conner in tough matchups.
Tune in for crucial lineup advice as we head into the fantasy playoffs!
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Introduction and Week 12 Recap
00:00:11
Fabio
Welcome back, welcome back, welcome back to the Bush League Huddle Fantasy Football Podcast. I'm Fab and I'm joined by my two co-hosts who caught as many passes as Quinton Johnson did last night.
00:00:23
Fabio
Zero. Roger Knack. Week 12 is over, boys. And lucky number 13, American Thanksgiving gobble gobble is here. Week 12 ended last night with the Monday night football that capped off the first Harbaugh in 11 years. And it seems that things just really don't change. ah John and the Baltimore Ravens beat out Jim, his khakis, and the LA Chargers who take a 3-0 lead in that sibling rivalry. The Baltimore Ravens beat the Chargers 30 to 23.
00:00:51
Fabio
By all accounts, it was a good game, but it did start off a little bit slow. But hopefully that's not the case this week. A full slate of games. Three games this Thursday for Turkey Day. American Turkey Day, that is. A surprise Friday game. And then the usual Sunday and Monday night slate of games. So let's get
Week 13 Trade Targets and Promotions
00:01:07
Fabio
this episode going. But before we do, if you miss our week 13 trade target waiver wire show, be sure to check it out. Probably one of the funnest episodes all year. And I'm still trying to figure out who Roscoe Johnson is.
00:01:19
Fabio
Just a quick reminder, if you like our content, have benefited from our love hate, waiver wire, or trade segments, we have one small favor. Please rate, follow, and subscribe. You can find us on Apple, Spotify, YouTube, Instagram, TikTok, and Twitter. Stay locked into those channels as usual. We'll have a ton of content and advice to take you through week 13 with so many of our playoff hopes on the line.
00:01:43
Fabio
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00:01:48
Fabio
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Analysis of Harbaugh Game and Quinton Johnson's Performance
00:02:08
Fabio
So now it's time to move into week 13 with our very popular Love Hate segment where we outline the players and matchups we love and the ones we hate. But before we do that, we want to just jump in quickly into the key takeaways from Harbaugh, Monday and Night Football. Roger, please give us what your key takeaway is. I can't wait to hear this one.
00:02:27
Roger Emeka
You deserve to lose your matchup if you were relying on Quentin freaking Johnston to win your Monday Nighter.
00:02:32
Fabio
It's facts.
00:02:32
Nacc
yeah
00:02:33
Fabio
That's actually, that's facts.
00:02:33
Roger Emeka
light
00:02:34
Fabio
That's facts. Thank you very much. Thank you very much.
00:02:35
Roger Emeka
Like... KYP.
00:02:38
Nacc
Can we just give a quick analysis of what happened?
00:02:40
Fabio
Yeah, no, sure. I was down by 13, I believe, going into Monday night football. I had Will Disley and Quinton Johnson left to play. I was feeling pretty, I was down 13 to, uh, to Knack.
00:02:49
Nacc
Who are you down 13 to?
00:02:54
Fabio
Um, yeah, I was down 13 points to Knack.
00:02:55
Nacc
This guy.
00:02:57
Fabio
Uh, it was a pretty good matchup. Went down to the wire. Will Disley did do what he was supposed to do. Quinton Johnson, uh, did not as Roger's going to get into right now. So, uh, it's very frustrating times.
00:03:09
Roger Emeka
Yeah, five targets, zero catches, zero yards, three drops. Uh, there were three very brutal drops. I think two of them, two out of the three of them were on third down.
00:03:16
Nacc
Brutal.
00:03:18
Fabio
Dude, they were like, yeah, it was a house call.
00:03:19
Roger Emeka
Like he, I mean, the one, the one where he was running across the middle, that would have, that was gone.
00:03:23
Nacc
He was gone. That was a house call.
00:03:25
Roger Emeka
That was ah probably a house call.
00:03:25
Nacc
He was a house call man.
00:03:25
Fabio
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 100%.
00:03:27
Roger Emeka
Um,
00:03:28
Nacc
Easily 50 yards.
00:03:29
Fabio
Yeah.
00:03:29
Roger Emeka
And I think I saw a stat where his his catch percentage is about 72% this year, so he is very liable to be dropping passes. I think, i think look, he's had like a better year than last year where he was really crapped on. I think he'll be a decent wide receiver in his career, but I don't think he'll ever live up to kind of the potential that we all thought he would have when he was drafted in the first round in 2022 ahead of Zaflowers and Jordan Addison. Ouch.
Chargers' Need for a WR1
00:03:55
Roger Emeka
And I think this led me to really kind of take a step back and look at the Chargers wide receiver court. Obviously, Matt McConkie was his usual steady 80 self 6 for 83, but it just feels like for this offense, they need that bonafide WR1.
00:04:11
Roger Emeka
because Herbert was fantastic again. He is so freaking good.
00:04:16
Fabio
Yeah, he's very good.
00:04:16
Roger Emeka
But it reminded me of the Chargers Cardinals game from Monday night a few weeks ago where it was death by a thousand cuts. It was quick short pass to Will Disley, short pass to McConkie.
00:04:28
Roger Emeka
Yeah, I think Herbert's amazing, but if they're going to take this next step forward, they're going to have to get a ah like a real WR1. And ah just quickly, I want i want to point out for league winner JK Dobbins, he was he was rolling before his injury. And I think that had an impact too on the on the Chargers. so
00:04:50
Nacc
You know, just one thing one thing to ask sorryri five one thing to add quickly on Quentin Johnston, how he was having like a pretty good season.
00:04:50
Fabio
Yeah, definitely.
00:04:59
Nacc
68% of his fantasy points came on busted coverages. So that is very telling stat.
00:05:08
Roger Emeka
Yep.
00:05:08
Nacc
and Like you said, I think they're missing that legit number one wide receiver and I just don't think it's him. I think. I think the experiment is is lasted as taking its course.
00:05:20
Roger Emeka
McConkey is going to be a perfect two. like He's going to be a very good player, but they need someone who could really affect the defense.
00:05:24
Nacc
Yeah, of course.
00:05:24
Fabio
Yeah. Yeah.
00:05:28
Fabio
Yeah. I don't disagree with any of that. Um, kind of want to move on from the state cause I'm still buttered by all this, but yeah. Clinton Johnson, three drops, man. And it was like right in his hands. And I'm like, you know what?
00:05:38
Fabio
This just proves the fact that like, Roger, your point, like they're, they're missing that notified Y receiver one, maybe the draft next year. Apparently it's pretty loaded with some Y receivers from what I've been hearing, but we'll see.
00:05:48
Roger Emeka
Tataroa McMillan, that guy is a baller, man.
00:05:53
Fabio
Yeah. Yeah.
00:05:53
Nacc
And was the guy from Ohio State the Cuba Mecca Mecca booker.
00:05:53
Fabio
It's going to be interesting.
00:05:55
Roger Emeka
Emeka, Emeka Ibuka, yeah.
00:05:58
Fabio
And that's a wide receiver University, Ohio State, Jews.
00:05:58
Roger Emeka
I am too.
00:05:58
Nacc
He looks good. He looks good.
00:05:59
Roger Emeka
Yeah, or it's ah that's a hundred percent why I'm here, you know.
00:06:00
Nacc
He looks really good, too Yeah, he looks really good
00:06:03
Fabio
Amazing. Not go we'll move on to ah your takeaway.
00:06:08
Nacc
Yeah, quickly, Zeflowers quietly wide receiver 10 on the season, which is um very surprising. He didn't have a crazy stat line last night, but he's seen a minimum of six targets for five straight weeks while averaging just under 16 points per game. I know you had that one game where you had 30 when I had him on my on my hate list. But he's quietly worked his way to WR 10 on the season ahead of players like Malik Neighbors, DJ Moore, George Pickens, Cooper Cupp, DJ Metcalf, ah AJ Brown, Nico Collins. I know these guys some of these guys missed some time to injury, but still pretty impressive for a player who was drafted as an average ah
00:06:50
Nacc
wide receiver 27 in PPR league. So if you drafted him that low and he's putting up an average of 13 points per game, I think you're beyond happy with ah but that level of production.
Zeflowers and Unexpected Rankings
00:07:01
Fabio
Yeah, he's like fifth in the NFL right now in receiving yards, which is very quiet.
00:07:05
Nacc
Yeah, it's it's ah quietly.
00:07:06
Roger Emeka
Very quiet.
00:07:08
Nacc
Yeah, of course. Very quietly.
00:07:09
Fabio
Yeah, very quiet. and Only has four touchdowns on the season, but I mean, if if that touchdown regression were to increase, then yeah, he'd be, he'd be pushing for top five numbers.
00:07:10
Nacc
I wasn't sold.
00:07:16
Nacc
Yeah, but
00:07:16
Fabio
Honestly, whatever he's going.
00:07:17
Nacc
The touchdowns, I think it's just more of product of there's Derek Henry, who's kind of taking all his touch on.
00:07:22
Fabio
Yep.
00:07:23
Nacc
Then there's Lamar Jackson with a lot of touchdowns. So Andrews has a lot of touchdowns.
00:07:26
Roger Emeka
Andrew's.
00:07:27
Fabio
Andrews two.
00:07:30
Nacc
Yeah, but very, very quietly. And I didn't, I never saw it. I just thought, I thought he was more of of a, of a solid number two, but he's looking like he could be a pretty good number one, at least in that offense.
00:07:43
Roger Emeka
Bateman's been pretty good too, I have to say. like That catch, that catch yesterday, but like again, they're they're a high o it's a high efficiency offense, but that catch lot yesterday was was awesome.
00:07:46
Nacc
He's been fairly quiet, I think.
Deontay Johnson's Fantasy Value Decline
00:07:55
Nacc
Yeah.
00:07:55
Fabio
Yeah. Yeah. Bateman two has been better relative to what he did last year for sure.
00:07:58
Roger Emeka
Exactly.
00:08:00
Fabio
Yeah. Well, one guy who hasn't, uh, you guys remember when Deontay Johnson was going to eat into Z flowers his production? Yeah, me neither. I think I said the last week, I haven't hinted at it the week before.
00:08:12
Fabio
Uh, Deontay is a drop. I was not a fan of this trade from the perspective of a Deontay Johnson owner and his production since that trade just proves that, uh, since his trade, he has five targets, one reception, six yards.
00:08:24
Fabio
11% route participation rate since it had been traded. There's, I don't know, like what, at least 20 guys on waivers out right now that I'd rather have over him. So most of which we actually mentioned during yesterday's podcast and and on the waiver wire content. I'm not going to speak too much more about this. I'm going to keep this small, just like his target share. So if you still have Deontay Johnson on your team, please drop him, uh, and add anyone else not named Quinton Johnson, please.
00:08:51
Roger Emeka
Knack Wicks or Deontay Johnson.
00:08:56
Nacc
Oh, man. Well, I got to go Wix like Wix at least at least plays, right? Like I don't even think Deontay Johnson sees the field all that much. I'd even go into that that analysis because I just don't I don't really care to to know.
00:09:08
Nacc
He's just I don't know. But you know, it's funny. and All these guys, they leave the Steelers and they think the grass is always greener on the other side.
00:09:13
Roger Emeka
Oh, here we go.
00:09:15
Fabio
Here we go.
00:09:16
Nacc
And it just never, ever, ever is.
00:09:17
Roger Emeka
Here we go.
00:09:17
Fabio
There we go. It only took nine, it only took nine minutes to get a Steelers plug.
00:09:20
Nacc
Name me a guy name me a guy. Name me a wide receiver that left the Steelers in recent years to 10 years. a wide receiver that's left to Steelers and actually done well.
00:09:26
Roger Emeka
It's true though. You're actually right.
00:09:28
Nacc
Like, like, think about it.
00:09:29
Fabio
The last person I can think of is Plaxcoburs. So I do agree with you on that point.
00:09:32
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:09:32
Nacc
Okay, but that you're talking 20 years ago now.
00:09:33
Fabio
And that's way beyond 10 years. That's way beyond 10.
00:09:34
Nacc
Now we're talking 20 years ago.
00:09:35
Fabio
Yes. Yes. The last one I can think of is Plaxcoburs.
00:09:36
Roger Emeka
I didn't think of it that way.
00:09:36
Nacc
Like, San Antonio Holmes left for a fifth round pick after he just won an MVP in the Super Bowl. He did nothing with the Jets. Uh, Martinez Bryant left for, uh, Oakland did nothing.
00:09:47
Nacc
Antonio Brown left for Oakland and then mike walt while Mike Wallace was mike wallace had an okay with, and I think a good year with the Dolphins, but ah yeah, of course, they never it never it never yeah it never it was never it was never what it was.
00:09:48
Roger Emeka
Mike Wallace.
00:09:50
Fabio
Mike Wallace. My one's at Decency. Yeah. He was okay. He was okay.
00:09:54
Roger Emeka
His peak peak and in in Pittsburgh was loved him.
00:09:55
Fabio
Yeah. Yeah.
00:10:02
Nacc
And then look, like Yante Johnson left and what has he done? right so just like I just named Antonio Brown.
00:10:05
Fabio
What about Antonio Brown? No, that doesn't count.
00:10:11
Nacc
Okay, he won a Super Bowl with um with Tampa, with with Brady,
00:10:14
Roger Emeka
So it's the one year anniversary of him doing jumping jacks in in MetLife Stadium.
00:10:17
Nacc
Yeah, it was this Sunday in MetLife.
00:10:19
Fabio
Yeah.
00:10:21
Nacc
It was the first time the Buccaneers had gone back since then.
00:10:24
Fabio
Wow.
00:10:26
Nacc
Yeah, funny.
00:10:27
Fabio
And those are our Monday night football
Player Injuries and Availability Updates
00:10:28
Fabio
takeaways. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much. We're going to jump in quickly in some injuries. Uh, so Jake Ferguson tied in for the Dallas Cowboys concussion left game did not return.
00:10:37
Fabio
So he's probably going to be concussion protocol. I would imagine he's going to miss this Thursday game, but just keep an eye on that. Brock Purdy still some soreness in his throwing shoulder. He's day to day.
00:10:47
Fabio
He was not that far off from playing this last weekend. And I think the expectation is that he plays this Sunday, but just keep an eye on that as well.
00:10:51
Roger Emeka
Oh man.
00:10:53
Nacc
and And just because, why did they start?
00:10:55
Fabio
Hmm.
00:10:57
Nacc
Why didn't they start Josh Dobbs?
00:11:01
Roger Emeka
I don't get that man.
00:11:02
Fabio
I guess the other.
00:11:02
Nacc
Why didn't they start him? Like, why did they start this? I don't even know who this guy was.
00:11:05
Fabio
Was it Breland Allen?
00:11:06
Roger Emeka
Right.
00:11:06
Fabio
Is that his name?
00:11:07
Nacc
Brandon Allen. Brandon Allen?
00:11:08
Fabio
Breland Allen?
00:11:08
Nacc
Brandon Allen allen is the is the running back for the Jets.
00:11:09
Fabio
Whatever. Whatever. He's like third string quarterback on the Niners. You're going to, you're going to, you're going to rip me for that. Whatever.
00:11:15
Nacc
But Brandon Allen, yeah. like like why did Why did he start over Dob? Didn't Dob start for the the Niners at 1.2?
00:11:20
Roger Emeka
A pastronaut,
00:11:22
Nacc
Knows the offense. He's smart.
00:11:25
Roger Emeka
the pastronaut.
00:11:25
Nacc
I don't know.
00:11:26
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:11:26
Nacc
I found it was a i found it was very strange.
00:11:26
Fabio
Oh, Josh.
00:11:29
Nacc
but ah Sorry, Fab. Sorry to cut you off. I just thought that was strange last week.
00:11:31
Fabio
No, that's okay. It's a very good point that you brought up. It's true. It is very strange. And you can see how the offense really didn't exactly, well, it was okay. I know George Kittle had a nice game. It was, yeah, listen, you want Brock pretty back in that offense. I guess it just shows that he's not just a game manager. JK Dobbins, poor one out for league winner of the NFL, Massey football season, injured his knee. We're not sure what his timetable is right now, but just keep an eye on that if he is on your roster. DeMarcus Robinson.
00:11:59
Fabio
No injury, but he's just an idiot. Uh, DUI going a hundred miles an hour. He most likely won't that listen.
00:12:04
Nacc
These guys just never learn, man.
00:12:06
Roger Emeka
There's always one a year.
00:12:07
Fabio
Yeah, it was bound to be him.
00:12:08
Roger Emeka
Every year is one a year.
00:12:09
Fabio
It was going to be him. Yeah, I guess it was. And then it had to be him, I suppose. Uh, but he's, I don't think he slated to miss any games unless he gets suspended by the team. And it felt probably won't even have a comment on this until later on. But, uh, just quickly, I read up some news on him and Sean McVay doesn't have any updates in that regard.
00:12:23
Roger Emeka
Classic.
00:12:24
Nacc
Of course.
00:12:24
Fabio
Uh, my boy Austin Seibert, uh, kicker for the Washington Redskins, uh, placed on IR. Yes. Redskins. Yes. Redskins place on IR expected to miss the next four games. The reason why I bring him up is because he was actually kicker number four on the season. Okay. And kickers are people too. And a lot of people who are listening to this episode need to be properly informed across all the positions that exist within fantasy football.
00:12:47
Nacc
Larry David Giff.
00:12:51
Fabio
Which one?
00:12:53
Nacc
Nobody gives an F.
00:12:57
Fabio
But yeah, I know it was a report.
00:12:57
Roger Emeka
fab did you Did you see the the report that Congress and the NFL are looking to bring back the Redskins name?
00:13:05
Fabio
I know that a lot of fans wanted the, a lot of fans and a lot of the native population who apparently that name was, uh, I guess disrespecting for lack of a better word. They didn't really have an issue with, with Redskins being a name.
00:13:16
Roger Emeka
No, it's classic white people just infringing on on everything, thinking, not you guys, but you know what I mean.
00:13:20
Fabio
Whoa.
00:13:23
Roger Emeka
like just just just
00:13:25
Nacc
Are we going to bring back the the Indians too? to Get rid of the Guardians again? like Yeah, Guardians is very bad too.
00:13:29
Roger Emeka
I wish the commanders and chiefs
00:13:33
Fabio
Yeah, but it's, they pick their spots and they complain about stupidities and then other teams are so they're like the Blackhawks, for example, we can, this is a sidebar of a conversation we can go, but we can go along.
00:13:44
Fabio
Oh, like all day. This is just stupid.
00:13:45
Nacc
Yeah, let's let's not dive into that.
00:13:47
Fabio
Now, but we are going to give a little public service announcement. So just to repeat again, what we said yesterday, week 13 buys none full slate of games. However, week 14 buys, we got the Baltimore Ravens and Denver Broncos, the Houston Texans, the Indianapolis Colts, New England Patriots, the Washington Redskins. Um, so again, just the people that make the NFL schedule do not care about your fantasy teams. Ladies and gentlemen, please be aware of that. We're going to move in quickly to our week 12 love hate record. Collectively, we were four and eight.
00:14:17
Fabio
Woof. And I think I'm the first person to go 0-4 all season. Raj and Nak both went 2-2. Looking back, I think I made a mistake. I think I mixed up my loves and my hates. I think that might have made a difference, but yeah.
Week 12 Predictions Review
00:14:31
Fabio
So quickly, um Remondre Stevenson and Marvin Harrison Jr. as my loves. They both ah they both did not perform. ah Matthew Stafford and Chubba Hubbard as my hates actually did quite well. So I went 0-1-4. Knack, you had Josh Downs and George Pickens as your loves. You missed out on both of those. Josh Downs, they get injured, however. Derek Henry and Jaden Reed, you won those two for your hates. So you go two and two on the week.
00:14:58
Fabio
Roger with Tommy Cutlets and DJ Moore went one-on-one on his loves. ah DJ Moore had a fantastic game. That was a great call, Roger. Good job. Kyron Williams and Jalen Waddle for your hates.
00:15:10
Fabio
Kyron Williams had a very subpar game, as expected, I suppose. Jalen Waddle, however, said, hold my beer.
00:15:16
Nacc
Breakout game.
00:15:17
Fabio
Yeah, another breakout game for unexpected unexpected performance from that wide receiver. So we went four and eight on week 12. We're looking to change that for this week, especially me.
00:15:28
Fabio
Uh, Rod, we're going to jump into the your first love of the week.
00:15:28
Roger Emeka
Thank you.
00:15:31
Fabio
Go ahead.
00:15:32
Roger Emeka
Yes, sir. First love of the week is Brian Thomas Jr. versus the Texans with Trevor Lawrence returning to practice. And it looks like Brian Thomas is back healthy after the bye from the chest and rib injury that limited him. I think he's in a prime spot against a Texans defense that has allowed the fourth most fantasy points to wide receivers over the past four weeks. I mean, just look what the Titans and Will Leves did to Houston last week. They had past receptions of 63, 70 and 38 yards.
00:16:02
Roger Emeka
b Brian Thomas Jr. has an an average depth of target of 12 yards this season, and I expect him to make some big plays against the Texans turnstile defense that has been really, really weak compared to last year.
00:16:15
Nacc
Yep.
00:16:15
Fabio
Yeah. A lot of this production really hinges on Trevor Lawrence coming back though, which I think he is slated to return. I think that's a full go, but I liked it.
00:16:23
Roger Emeka
Yeah, he should be back.
00:16:24
Fabio
I liked this call a lot. Yeah. Cause it was talk about him maybe even missing the season. I think not at the very beginning of his injury.
00:16:28
Roger Emeka
I saw that. that Was it Jake Laser who had that report? There was someone who had the report, and then like I think ah we're all rushing to to pick up Mac Jones. They end up not coming to fruition, thankfully.
00:16:42
Fabio
Yeah. Yeah. Cause a lot of his production is really tiered to, to Trevor Lawrence with the way that he chucks the long ball.
00:16:45
Roger Emeka
Yes.
00:16:48
Fabio
I like this call a lot.
00:16:48
Roger Emeka
Yep.
00:16:49
Fabio
This can really turn into something good who somebody has this type of depth on their team.
00:16:55
Fabio
We are going to move right along with your next week 14.
00:16:56
Roger Emeka
ah god
00:16:59
Roger Emeka
Don't you have week 14 aren't you? Don't you have like your entire team on by? Or did it already happen your butt your
00:17:04
Fabio
Uh, not my, not my entire team. I have Nico Collins and CJ shroud on by I have.
00:17:14
Fabio
Also, I think that's about it. Yeah. I don't have anyone from the Broncos. I don't have anyone on the Colts. I don't have anyone on the Pats or the commanders or the Ravens. I just got my Nico Collins and CJ Stroud stack on by week 14.
00:17:30
Roger Emeka
It hasn't been looking too scary lately. So for my second love, I have Jerry Judy at Denver.
00:17:35
Fabio
That's not.
00:17:38
Roger Emeka
So I'm gonna buck the trend here and go against the fantasy Denver pass defense. So as we know, revenge games are a hell of a motivator and Judy has been fantastic over his last four games. 24 of 36 targets for 379 yards and a touchdown. Among wide receivers in that span, he's 10th in fantasy points per game. Against the Steelers last week, he had a very solid six catches for 85 yards and a 22% target share.
00:18:07
Roger Emeka
sort Cedric Tillman is on concussion protocol and I think he's clearly behind juding Judy in the pecking order. And if you're worried about Sertane, note that Judy played 55% of his snaps last week against the Steelers. Meanwhile, Sertane is only played in the slot or covered in the slot 40 out of a total 636 snaps this year. So I see the Jerry Judy revenge game incoming.
00:18:35
Nacc
That's a bold strategy, Cotton.
00:18:37
Fabio
Yep.
00:18:37
Nacc
Let's see if it pays off for him.
00:18:39
Roger Emeka
Didn't you get, you guys, you guys have, have chosen some wide receivers against Denver in the past, I think.
00:18:44
Nacc
I don't believe so.
00:18:45
Fabio
As I hate yes.
00:18:45
Nacc
More my as I hate for sure, I believe.
00:18:46
Roger Emeka
As a hate, as a hate.
00:18:47
Nacc
Yeah, as I love.
00:18:47
Fabio
Yeah. I took Darnell Mooney a few weeks ago as I hate I believe versus Denver, but at the same time.
00:18:52
Roger Emeka
Well, if I'm not mistaken, Trey Tucker, sorry, if I'm not mistaken, Trey Tucker or one of Trey Tucker or Jacobi Myers actually had pretty good games last year, last week.
00:18:52
Nacc
I do. I do like the revenge game factor, though.
00:18:55
Fabio
Yeah.
00:19:02
Fabio
I was going to bring that, I was going to bring that up. Actually Jacobi went 10 for one 21 on 15 targets. Like he's going to need to get peppered with targets, Jerry Judy, but I don't think that's a, that's an issue considering once Jamison loves to chuck it.
00:19:11
Roger Emeka
Yeah. And, and I was looking.
00:19:13
Fabio
He loves to throw it a lot. And Jerry's turned into quite his favorite target though.
00:19:17
Roger Emeka
Yeah. And I was looking at certaine's PFF numbers and I think he only allowed three for 40. So I don't, I don't necessarily think he's traveling with one receiver.
00:19:25
Fabio
No.
00:19:26
Roger Emeka
Um, and I could see.
00:19:27
Nacc
think he He stays primarily on one side.
00:19:29
Fabio
Yeah.
00:19:29
Roger Emeka
Yeah, exactly. So, uh, it'll be interesting to see.
00:19:33
Fabio
I don't hate this call. I really don't. It's a gutsy call and I like it. And I think it can actually pan out. And Jerry Judy like has really taken over on top of Cedric Tillman, which I find very surprising, but I I think he came in for relief.
00:19:42
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:19:45
Roger Emeka
It's not real. You know what? It's not real. And I'll just end with this. It's not really because when, when DTR was playing, when DTR got the, um, not the, did he get the start or he came in and relief for Watson when he got the injury, he was peppering Tillman immediately.
00:19:57
Nacc
Uh huh.
00:20:01
Roger Emeka
And then I noticed as soon as Winston got in, then it went more towards Judy. So I think DTR and, and Judy have that more of that rapport being young guys. And I think Winston is really relying on Judy.
00:20:13
Fabio
That makes sense. I can buy what you're selling, Raj. I can buy what you're selling, except I'm gonna buy what Nat is selling.
00:20:21
Nacc
Yeah, first love of the week for me is going to be ah Bucky Irving at Carolina. Bucky's putting together a nice little rookie season. ah Currently, RB21 in front of starter Rashad White, who is currently RB23, and as we all know,
00:20:38
Nacc
He had a late start to getting getting touches on the season. He had his breakout game versus the Giants in week 12 where he scored 27.1 fantasy points which was good for RB3 on the week. He also went down twice at the one yard line and Vaughn vultured one TD and fumbled the other so hopefully that experiment is over. He gets a Carolina Panthers team in week 13 not only giving up the most fantasy points to running backs but running backs are actually scoring 8.9 more points than their season average against Carolina and that's also tops in the in the league. Irving saw 52% of the snaps and had 18 touches compared to Rashad White who saw 49% of the snaps and only 12 touches.
00:21:22
Nacc
He is also
Bucky Irving's Rising Fantasy Value
00:21:24
Nacc
top five in yards per carry this year at 5.4 with a minimum of 75 attempts. So he is a must start down the stretch with a very favorable schedule. He gets the Panthers twice, ah Raiders, Chargers, and Cowboys.
00:21:33
Fabio
yeah
00:21:36
Nacc
And the Panthers is actually in the finals. So if you have Bucky Irving, he starts every single week, no matter what.
00:21:43
Fabio
Yeah.
00:21:44
Roger Emeka
Yeah, 100%.
00:21:45
Fabio
Uh, a hundred percent. He can, he can legitimately be. The legal winner. If, if he's on the right team, I, I, I hate to say it because it, but it's, it's true though.
00:21:53
Roger Emeka
Use it.
00:21:53
Nacc
Every player, every player, every player
00:21:54
Roger Emeka
Use it. Use it, man.
00:21:55
Fabio
Like, especially right now when the, when the games come for the most and he has a really soft schedule and he's.
00:21:56
Roger Emeka
Use it.
00:22:01
Fabio
He's starting to really blow up in that offense. What I liked the most about what I saw with him last week versus the Giants was like, yeah, they split carries, which is fine. But typically Rashad White gets a lot more of the PPR at work and not this time.
00:22:11
Fabio
We really went to Bucky Irving and he really made the most out of it. So that this is a, he might be the guy now in this backfield.
00:22:18
Roger Emeka
You remember when you guys thought Rashad White was a low end RB one?
00:22:23
Fabio
We had reasoning for that.
00:22:25
Nacc
Yeah, I mean, he was last year, right? um But you were right.
00:22:27
Roger Emeka
To me, it's the lack of talent.
00:22:29
Fabio
It was volume. It was it was volume and volume and volume.
00:22:29
Nacc
his his His inefficiency, but look, but if they wouldn't have drafted Bucky Irving, his numbers would be higher.
00:22:31
Roger Emeka
Lack of talent, yeah.
00:22:33
Fabio
Yeah.
00:22:37
Fabio
That's true.
00:22:38
Nacc
Bucky Irving pushed himself into because of the efficiency. Like we said, look, 5.4 yards per carry. Like that can't be ignored in any offense, right?
00:22:46
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:22:46
Fabio
No.
00:22:47
Nacc
Like you you can't look at that as a coach and not run this guy more if he's more efficient, right?
00:22:48
Roger Emeka
But,
00:22:52
Roger Emeka
yeah, and the was i think yeah like they drafted White, because i think they saw limitations in how he wasn't, yeah.
00:22:57
Nacc
Well, that's what I'm saying, because last last year, last year, they didn't have anything behind white.
00:22:58
Fabio
Oh yeah, for sure.
00:23:01
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:23:01
Nacc
So it was like pepper white out of the, he was running, he was playing every single down.
00:23:01
Fabio
Yeah.
00:23:05
Nacc
He was the bell cow. Right. So, um, I think that's what everyone was excited about when they drafted, uh, Rashaw white again this year, but quickly bucky has taken over and, uh, obviously he's in front of him.
00:23:18
Roger Emeka
Looks great.
00:23:18
Fabio
and Excel, but but that offense also works works really well with the two RB sets, though, as well.
00:23:19
Nacc
He's in yeah and Excel.
00:23:23
Fabio
like ah they they They do really work well with having both of those in combination, and they're both performing adverbally.
00:23:30
Nacc
Yeah.
00:23:31
Fabio
I'm very excited to hear your next Love Knack.
00:23:34
Nacc
Uh, yeah, my next love of the week is going to be, uh, Russell Wilson at the Bengals in the jungle. Uh, Wilson has cooled down fantasy wise since his first couple of games playing, uh, playing into division can sometimes do that. Uh, he still put up a solid stat line in week 12, but was missing that second TD to get him into that 20 point plateau, uh, something he has not done since week 10.
00:23:56
Nacc
He gets another division opponent in week 13, however, this one and with a terrible secondary. ah Bengals are giving up the third most fantasy points to opposing QBs and this is a game the Steelers have to win in order to stay ahead of the Ravens for the division lead. So look for Russell to complete complete ah multiple moon balls on Sunday in a game that could be very high scoring. I'm predicting a stat line somewhere in the nature of 24 for 31, 294 yards and three touchdowns.
00:24:26
Nacc
So that would be good for 24 fantasy points in standard leagues and 27 in our bush leagues and then a top five finish QB wise in week 13.
00:24:39
Roger Emeka
and I don't know what to make of Russell, man. it's ah like aside Aside from the deep ball, it just, like it counts, right? It just doesn't look clean.
00:24:50
Roger Emeka
I wanna see a game where he hits the deep ball.
00:24:50
Nacc
You know, I paid attention
00:24:53
Roger Emeka
I know you're saying against the Ravens he he saw a farm with a bit, but once again, when he hits the deep ball, he hits the intermediate and like it look and looks easy. it It just feels, it doesn't feel clean and easy lately, I find.
00:25:06
Nacc
And it's funny because ah although I'd seen it when you brought it up last week or a couple weeks ago when you were saying that he's either like either throws it long or it's like behind the line of scrimmage type deal.
00:25:15
Roger Emeka
Boomer buzz. Yeah.
00:25:17
Fabio
yeah
00:25:20
Nacc
It's like really boomer bust type plays. Like I really. wanted to pay attention to that on Thursday. And that's exactly kind of what you saw, but he did, you know, he did mix in some intermediate routes, but it's just some of the, I don't know what it is.
00:25:30
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:25:33
Nacc
I don't i don't know if it's like just the play calling sometimes of what they're doing and they're just not letting him get to that intermediate route.
00:25:38
Roger Emeka
I think it might be the height.
00:25:39
Nacc
It's either like, it could be, Hey, it could, it could very well be.
00:25:40
Roger Emeka
I think it's it's always been the height within. Because that was the that was the case with Seattle. That was the and the case in Seattle, too.
00:25:45
Fabio
Yeah.
00:25:46
Roger Emeka
so Yeah, it does.
00:25:47
Nacc
Yeah. Yeah. But I, I really paid attention. Like i I knew, I knew it, but paying attention, you're like, Damn, yeah, it's a lot of deep shots. and But he completes them. like That's what's the crazy part.
00:25:57
Nacc
He has very good efficiency on balls thrown 20 plus yards. So um that's where the fantasy points stem from.
00:26:00
Fabio
Yeah. Yeah.
00:26:03
Nacc
So I'm predicting a solid matchup because of the secondary, the Bengals.
00:26:04
Roger Emeka
Yep.
00:26:11
Fabio
We'll see. We'll see. Um, my first love of the week is Jordan Addison versus Arizona. So a bit of a slow start to the season marked by injuries and inconsistent play. Addison has been pretty, pretty good. The last few games forestry games of five or more targets, double digit fancy points in three of the last four and a TD in three of the last four as well. Last week versus the 30th rank defense for wide receivers, the Chicago bears Addison put up career numbers and receptions and yards went for eight 162 and a touchdown.
00:26:41
Fabio
He had multiple trunk plays, and with the return of T.J. Hopkinson, I think we can expect to see Addison take more tops off the defense. Just in the last two weeks, his average depth of target went from 10.9 from weeks 9 to 10 to 13.5 for weeks 11 and 12. Arizona gave up the 16th most fantasy points to wide receivers, not ah not a huge amount, but they did surrender quite a bit of trunk plays to Seattle last week, and considering Addison's recent form, I'd get him in my lineups wherever I can.
00:27:09
Fabio
I think he's an upside wire receiver three, wire receiver two play this week for me.
00:27:14
Roger Emeka
This one's tricky because in the last four weeks, Arizona is allowing an average of 8.53 fantasy points to QBs. They are a very, very good defense. I almost i felt i considered i considered Sam Darnold as a hate.
00:27:32
Roger Emeka
and so i having
00:27:35
Fabio
Listen.
00:27:35
Nacc
i think I think Justin Jefferson is the one that goes off this week.
00:27:36
Roger Emeka
It'll be an interesting one.
00:27:39
Nacc
what do I think he had what, one catch for six yards last game?
00:27:40
Roger Emeka
so
00:27:42
Roger Emeka
Yeah, that's because they double, like they were double bull teaming him and that's what opened up Addison.
00:27:45
Fabio
double m yeah
00:27:45
Nacc
Yeah.
00:27:48
Roger Emeka
So it depends on the strategy the defense will play.
00:27:49
Nacc
but But I think the coach is going to now see that
Jordan Addison's Strong Performances
00:27:53
Nacc
on tape and open up and be like, OK, let's find ways to get the balls in his hand, taking away the double team.
00:27:53
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:27:59
Nacc
So it's not going to be deep shots. It's going to be shorter routes and letting him kind of do his thing. ah Because yeah, he was, there was people glued on him the whole time.
00:28:05
Roger Emeka
Yep. Yep. Yep.
00:28:08
Fabio
even against Tennessee too, it didn't exactly have enough, like to his standards and have an amazing game, but we're going to see, we're going to see how this plays out. I, listen, this has been really good lately. Uh, and, and they give up some chunk plays Arizona, which I know Roger to your point might not necessarily translate for a QB, but for a wide receiver, I think this could be something.
00:28:19
Roger Emeka
It's good player.
00:28:30
Fabio
ah My next love is Johnson Taylor at New England. So JT has not been great this year. He started off decently well, which is what you would expect. But after his recent injury and Anthony Richardson coming back, he hasn't looked the same. JT right now is RB 31 the last four weeks and RB 23 on the season on a points per game basis. Really not great for a player that was drafted in the, say, end of the first beginning of the second round, but I have faith in Jonathan Taylor Thomas this week. I have faith that his matchup versus the 13th ranked defense for running backs in New England, he'll produce high end RB two numbers. New England give up the fourth most rushing yards to running backs, eighth most in TDs. They're not that great of a defense. Last week I bench Taylor in one of my leagues for Tyron Tracy. I'm not going to do that this week. I'm actually going to start him with and and ride the wave into the fantasy playoffs. He's back to a must start for me on a high end RB two.
00:29:24
Nacc
Interesting.
00:29:25
Roger Emeka
The ADPs for Jonathan Taylor, it's it's basically Barkley, RB4, and Taylor, RB5. Imagine the people who took Taylor before Barkley, man.
00:29:38
Fabio
Yeah.
00:29:39
Nacc
A lot of people did.
00:29:41
Fabio
A lot.
00:29:41
Roger Emeka
I know, yeah.
00:29:41
Nacc
Our league, our league did too.
00:29:41
Fabio
Yeah. And understandably so.
00:29:43
Roger Emeka
I know. I know.
00:29:45
Nacc
Barkley, Barkley went, did he go third round in our league or second round?
00:29:47
Fabio
Hold on. Let me bring it up.
00:29:52
Nacc
I'm pretty sure he went second round.
00:29:55
Roger Emeka
In my, in the mocks I was doing, I definitely had Barkley ahead of Taylor. But if I had a chance to have Taylor, which I didn't, I would have taken him for sure. And the problem is, is that the PP, the lack of PPR is really, really a big issue with him.
00:30:06
Fabio
Yeah. I mean,
00:30:11
Fabio
And that's the problem whenever you have a running ah quarterback that does run out of the pocket more than anything else, really limits the upside of of a PPR standpoint for your running backs.
00:30:14
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:30:20
Fabio
And that's the case with Anthony Richardson. But then again, it also wasn't that apparent to Joe Flacco when he was playing quarterback for them as well.
00:30:25
Nacc
Well, tell that to Saquon Barkley.
00:30:26
Fabio
Right. So yeah, but typically, yes.
00:30:27
Nacc
He plays with a running quarterback.
00:30:28
Roger Emeka
Yeah, I was just gonna say.
00:30:32
Roger Emeka
there there it's It's a different level. Like, Barkley is like...
00:30:35
Fabio
Yeah. I think right now is it's not, uh,
00:30:36
Nacc
Yeah, yeah, of course.
00:30:36
Roger Emeka
ah Yeah, yeah.
00:30:37
Nacc
He's, he's, he's gone beyond the stars.
00:30:38
Fabio
Like he's he's like for standard deviations outside the norm.
00:30:39
Nacc
Like, like Barkley, Barkley is going as the number one fantasy player right now next year on regular one QB league drafts and most likely
00:30:41
Fabio
Like you can't compare.
00:30:41
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:30:46
Fabio
Yeah.
00:30:50
Fabio
Oh yeah. I can definitely see that for sure.
00:30:51
Nacc
most likely in the first round in two QB leagues.
00:30:53
Fabio
Yeah.
00:30:54
Roger Emeka
You think so?
00:30:54
Nacc
One, oh yes.
00:30:55
Fabio
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:30:57
Nacc
Come on, the hype is real.
00:30:57
Fabio
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:30:58
Nacc
The hype is is there.
00:30:58
Roger Emeka
This is your my chase.
00:30:58
Fabio
Yeah.
00:31:00
Nacc
Yeah, okay.
00:31:02
Roger Emeka
and
00:31:02
Nacc
there's ah There's an argument to be made. Obviously both are going in the first round, but there's an argument both top five is easily or or top two, let's say.
00:31:07
Roger Emeka
yeah
00:31:09
Nacc
There's definitely an argument meant to be made for Chase.
00:31:13
Fabio
I feel like Chase has been very good. I don't want to take anything away from him. I feel like he has more of those inflated numbers that are going to.
00:31:20
Roger Emeka
High variance games, yeah.
00:31:21
Fabio
Yeah. Like, and, and high variance from a chase standpoint means, means quite a bit because he typically puts up 20 points a week. Right.
00:31:28
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:31:29
Fabio
Uh, but Barkley has been consistently putting up like 25, 27, 28 points.
00:31:32
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:31:34
Nacc
Yeah, Barkley different has the higher floor.
00:31:36
Fabio
Like, which is stupid.
00:31:37
Nacc
Right?
00:31:38
Fabio
It's stupid.
00:31:39
Nacc
Yeah, he's been.
00:31:39
Fabio
And, uh, yeah, just to go back, uh, And in our league, Barkley was drafted in the second round and he was drafted after Jonathan Taylor beginning of the second by, um, yes.
00:31:48
Nacc
Yeah, yeah, Jonathan Taylor was drafted first or beginning of a second. Yeah. Lucas Lucas Lucas drafted. So imagine his, his, his, but imagine how different his team would look if you would have drafted Chase over AJ Brown and Barkley over, imagine Chase and Barkley were his first two picks.
00:31:59
Roger Emeka
man
00:32:04
Fabio
Mm-hmm.
00:32:08
Roger Emeka
I can't blame it on Brown man, especially with the holdout and Brown.
00:32:12
Fabio
Yeah, I can't believe I'm on Brown either. Brown, when he plays, he's a stud.
00:32:14
Nacc
Chase or Chase to go that far. I was, I was, but um but look, just say, just imagine he went, imagine he went Chase and Barkley.
00:32:18
Fabio
You know, but ah but at at the beginning of the season, at the beginning of the season, how much, how much concern was there over Joe Burrow's wrist at the beginning of the season?
00:32:19
Roger Emeka
Yeah, no, no, I get it.
00:32:22
Nacc
His team would look a lot, a lot better.
00:32:25
Roger Emeka
Yes.
00:32:26
Fabio
There was a lot of conversation about how he'll never throw the same way again.
00:32:28
Roger Emeka
And all three of us and all three of us said, Hey, we hadn't seen that like upper echelon like tier one season from chase yet. Yeah.
00:32:36
Fabio
Yeah.
00:32:36
Nacc
Yeah, 100%.
00:32:37
Roger Emeka
yeah
00:32:38
Nacc
I'm just trying to say, i' imagine he took Chase and Barkley instead of AJ Brown and and Jonathan Taylor.
00:32:38
Roger Emeka
i know you mean i know what you mean
00:32:39
Fabio
Yeah, yeah.
00:32:42
Roger Emeka
yeah
00:32:45
Fabio
yeah Even me, I took CJ Stroud right before and and and Robbie took Barkley.
00:32:52
Nacc
Yeah, CJ Stroud. I knew that one was not. That was was that one was a little bit of a reach.
00:32:57
Fabio
i mean Considering the amount of quarter the quarterbacks that went after and the type that went after, I mean i'm not and don't feel that bad about it to be honest with you.
00:33:04
Roger Emeka
I know what you mean, but I know what you mean.
00:33:07
Fabio
No. Anyways, that's a different conversation.
00:33:08
Nacc
Crap.
00:33:08
Fabio
We can have a postmortem on our draft league at the end of the year if you guys want.
00:33:11
Roger Emeka
That's a great idea.
00:33:12
Nacc
Yep.
00:33:12
Roger Emeka
That's a very good idea.
00:33:14
Fabio
ah So that's those are our loves for the week. We're going to move into the hate segment. Roger, we're going to kick it off with you again.
00:33:22
Roger Emeka
Yes, we were talking about running backs who are not great in PPR. I have, as of my first hate, Najee Harris at the Bengals. So Najee has become virtually a touchdown-dependent flex play in PPR, and he's ceding more and more carries to Jalen Ward. Over the past three weeks, not
Najee Harris' Declining Fantasy Value
00:33:40
Roger Emeka
only is he averaging 10.7 fantasy points per game, but if you look at other metrics such as snap share, Harris is at 48, Warren is at 44% of snaps.
00:33:51
Roger Emeka
And from a route participation standpoint, Harris is at 28% and Warren is at 40. The Bengals over the last four weeks have allowed the eighth fewest fantasy points to running backs and only seven catches for 20 yards. So they're much more exploitable in the secondary as Nack mentioned with his Wilson love. So I think any residual PPR points that Harris would typically get will likely go to Warren.
00:34:18
Roger Emeka
If you're a stand in a standard league, maybe this is a, at best, low end flex play for Najee and a PPR for me as a flat out sit.
00:34:28
Nacc
Yeah. And I don't think like people should be surprised, right? Like with the, with the snap share and I like it's Arthur Smith, right? We, everyone knows he likes to roll out minimum two running backs and then sprinkle in quarter L Patterson to just ruin everything completely. Um, it's, it's, it's very like, but I don't mind it. I don't mind using those two running backs because I think each of them serves a purpose and Harris bearing some miraculous.
00:34:58
Nacc
Uh, down the stretch play, it's going to be his last year in Pittsburgh and, and Warren is going to be his backfield going forward. It's just going to be a cheaper option. And he just, like you mentioned, better pass catcher. He's just, he brings more of that juice type deal. So I like the one two punch, but I definitely agree. It's it's, it's hard to trust on a fantasy ah fantasy basis because without him scoring that touchdown, that if he does score the touchdown, that 10 points become 16, 17, and then you're happy. But if it doesn't that 10 points in your.
00:35:29
Nacc
in your RB1 or RB2 slot, kind of it hurts on a weekly basis.
00:35:31
Roger Emeka
Yeah. He's a seven to 10.
00:35:32
Nacc
you know
00:35:33
Roger Emeka
He's a seven to 12 point player. And if you have better options and you need, you need more of a like higher upside, like, yeah, you got to avoid nausea.
00:35:41
Fabio
Yeah, no, he's super, he's super TD dependent and the Bengals have given up TDs running backs in the last few weeks.
00:35:41
Nacc
like I agree.
00:35:43
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:35:44
Nacc
Yeah.
00:35:47
Fabio
Like Dobbins, Dobbins hit him for two last week. Henry got one, obviously that's Henry.
00:35:51
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:35:52
Fabio
Like, so I, I get this call a hundred percent. He's, and you'd never want to have to rely on a guy that's really TD dependent, especially if he doesn't get any PPR work in the backfield.
00:36:01
Nacc
And now also just the last little tidbit to add now with with them working fields onto the field a little bit more when they get down towards that goal line, I think we're going to see a lot more Justin Fields come into play.
00:36:12
Roger Emeka
How do you feel about that? how do you feel about that
00:36:15
Nacc
Honestly, I don't mind a package of plays, maybe a handful, a handful of game.
00:36:18
Fabio
Yeah.
00:36:20
Nacc
He came on way too much last game. And the one where he threw the ball down the field to Pickens in the snow, that one was like, at the end of the game, four minute offense.
00:36:32
Nacc
I found that one was just silly.
00:36:34
Roger Emeka
It's weird.
00:36:34
Nacc
Like if you were going to do that, keep Russell Wilson in, he's got a better deep ball. Like I don't, I don't know what you're trying to ah fool. So look, Russell usually good in the red zone, but he struggled and fields has a better percentage in the red zone when he did play.
00:36:48
Nacc
So I don't mind him coming in in the red zone because he could make those shorter passes and he could run with his legs. But you can't you can't be he can't be coming in 10 to 12 plays a game because that just ruins Wilson's mojo also, right?
00:37:03
Nacc
And that's going to ruin a bit the dynamic, I find.
00:37:03
Fabio
Yeah.
00:37:04
Roger Emeka
Weird, man. Go to the bullpen.
00:37:07
Nacc
Yeah, but but I mean, look, a handful of plays and look, if he's not getting it done in the red zone, that's what I'd prefer to use him and in his short yardage situations, but.
00:37:10
Fabio
Yeah, but that does, yeah that's a good point. It really does kill the tempo though. Like when you take out your, your starting quarterback and you bring in Justin Fields to run those handful of plays and everything.
00:37:23
Fabio
Like, like what if, like if Russell is getting into a rhythm and he's going and this and that, it's like, no, no, we're going to play Justin now in the Fleming offense.
00:37:24
Roger Emeka
I hate it.
00:37:29
Nacc
Yeah, it's more, you have to understand when he comes in and went like, if someone's on a roll, you can't just take them out and be like, okay, well, a short yard situation, like you really got to go with the, with the guy.
00:37:30
Fabio
It's like, why? Like.
00:37:36
Fabio
No, but I think you can also have a little bit of faith in my Talmud to make the right decision on that call too.
00:37:40
Nacc
I think they're going to be more conscious of that moving forward. Cause.
00:37:47
Nacc
Yeah, I just, they saw it. The experiment that they did on Thursday was just too much. And I think they're going to dial it, dial it down. I still see, I think he sees the field for sure, but it's going to be.
00:37:59
Nacc
it's gonna be a little bit more subjective to coming onto the field.
00:38:04
Roger Emeka
That weekly Steelis segment was brought to you by Knack.
00:38:05
Fabio
Yeah.
00:38:07
Fabio
this is
00:38:10
Nacc
You love it.
00:38:13
Fabio
Uh, let's, let's, let's keep, let's keep the, uh, let's keep this train rolling. Uh, Roger, who's your, who's your next hate?
00:38:19
Nacc
Our listeners love it too.
00:38:20
Roger Emeka
yeah
00:38:21
Fabio
Yeah. it's and our Our audience are, we're, yeah, our listeners are dropping right now as we speak.
00:38:28
Roger Emeka
Second hate is Kirk Cousins versus the Chargers. So we hit on it a few weeks ago in our winners and losers segment, but Kirk Cousins in games against non Tampa Bay defenses is averaging 10.5 fantasy points per game. The Falcons actually came out of the bye announcing that in their self-scouting, they realized that they need to utilize Cousins in the play action more.
00:38:50
Roger Emeka
So it took them 12 weeks to realize that one of the best play action QBs in the league should run more play action. In any case, the Chargers, I thought they played well against Lamar Jackson ah yesterday or on Monday. They only allowed 177 yards, two TDs. I think they're one of the more sound units in the league led by soon to be head coach, defense coordinator Jesse Minter.
00:39:13
Roger Emeka
So for me, Cousins is a QB3 next week or this week with no buys on the schedule.
00:39:22
Fabio
So you're sitting in in all formats.
00:39:22
Nacc
Yeah, sounds like.
00:39:22
Nacc
Sounds like.
00:39:25
Roger Emeka
SuperFlex. SuperFlex QB is a QB3. Definitely what's it. I mean, QB1 for sure.
00:39:31
Fabio
Yeah.
00:39:31
Roger Emeka
I think like I was looking at Guido's team because he has Cousins. Right now, he has him sitting. sitting like He's sitting in that. I think I would agree with that.
00:39:38
Nacc
Yeah, for sure, for sure, I don't I think.
00:39:40
Roger Emeka
You have to see it.
00:39:40
Fabio
100% I agree.
00:39:42
Nacc
I think right I think we're he Morris is a defensive coordinator and I'm not sure he's a head coach, I just don't.
00:39:46
Fabio
Yeah.
00:39:51
Nacc
You know, we we've we've mentioned it before, like there's just some coaches that are just better suited to be coordinators and I think he's one of them.
00:39:52
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:39:58
Nacc
um
00:39:59
Roger Emeka
I'm also surprised Zach, how bad Zach Robinson has been considering came from the mcmay McVey system.
00:40:03
Fabio
Yeah.
00:40:07
Roger Emeka
I think they worked together in Minnesota as well with cousins.
00:40:07
Nacc
Yeah.
00:40:12
Fabio
Yes. He was, I think it was a QB coach.
00:40:12
Roger Emeka
I might be wrong. Yeah. Okay.
00:40:14
Fabio
Yeah.
00:40:15
Roger Emeka
Uh, the offense has not looked good. We haven't seen what we wanted to see with Drake London. Bijan has been a great, I mean, I want to see more.
00:40:19
Fabio
Well, well, yeah.
00:40:22
Roger Emeka
I want to see more from Drake London.
00:40:24
Fabio
Well, Drake London is like why receiver seven on the season from a fancy perspective, but
00:40:25
Nacc
by that contract.
00:40:28
Roger Emeka
Number eight, I'm not saying his name anymore. Number eight, name withheld. He's he's garbage.
00:40:33
Fabio
it, it The play action comment is legitimate. And I saw that from the, from the first few games on my cock, like he's just in the pocket.
00:40:39
Roger Emeka
That makes no sense.
00:40:42
Fabio
It's a stale ah offense. There's no movement. And we say this about the jets too, about like, there's no play action. There's no movement.
00:40:46
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:40:47
Fabio
There's no rotation, nothing at all. And it doesn't do anything like it. It only provides added time for the defense to figure out the coverage and, and, and know exactly how they're going to stop like the pass.
00:40:59
Fabio
And I just, I don't get why they it took them 12 weeks to do this. Especially when you have one of the better play action quarterbacks that's played in a long time.
00:41:07
Roger Emeka
I think we're going to see Michael Panek's mid-next season.
00:41:08
Fabio
Anyways.
00:41:11
Fabio
You think so?
00:41:12
Nacc
That contractor man to give him all that money No, no, but close to 100 million of it was guaranteed 100 million or 120 million.
00:41:14
Roger Emeka
I know.
00:41:14
Fabio
Yeah, that's, is that a fully guaranteed contract?
00:41:17
Roger Emeka
$100 million. no
00:41:22
Fabio
Let him come to the Giants. We can afford there right now. It's fine.
00:41:25
Nacc
Oh my god
00:41:28
Fabio
Uh, we're going to move right along there with the next hate knack. What do you have on slate?
00:41:34
Nacc
Yeah, so if you've been listening to us the last few weeks, I've been picking players who are either hot or who are hot, excuse me, and and and have tough match ups. So I've gone three for three so far with Daniels, Lamar and Henry. So I'm going to keep the momentum rolling.
00:41:50
Nacc
ah JSN season has arrived in full force. Jackson Smith Najigba. He's been possessed and averaged 26 fantasy points per game in his last three games. He's become a must-start in all formats and he will be hard to outright bench. However, in week 13 he will travel across the country to play a 1pm Eastern game versus the Jets.
00:42:14
Nacc
Now the team is in shambles but the last thing they want is Geno Smith coming to town and lighting them up. They were just on by so I think they'll have lot they'll have an actual week to um match up against them. So while they are in the darkness, the Jets are still giving up the fewest points to wide receivers, and we should be they should be able to limit ah JSN's production. They are more more vulnerable excuse me to the deep ball, and that's where a player like DK Metcalf might benefit more.
00:42:46
Fabio
So you think they came out of a darkness retreat and decided how to ah to play better football, the Jets?
00:42:53
Nacc
I'm not gonna say better football. Um, I do think that they've been stingy against wide receivers. And, uh, again, I know JSN has been coin bonkers and it's just, I'm just following my trend.
00:43:07
Nacc
I'm going to see if I can go for, for four here. I always like to get that big flashy name. I like the backlash that comes in, uh, in, the in the comments. So, um, you won't be seeing a 26 point fantasy week from JSN in week 13.
00:43:20
Roger Emeka
But I like to call him, are you worried about Saw's gardener?
00:43:21
Nacc
You're not benching this guy. you're
00:43:22
Fabio
No.
00:43:24
Roger Emeka
Because he's been awful this year.
00:43:26
Fabio
yeah He has been off.
00:43:27
Roger Emeka
like
00:43:27
Nacc
He's been off. He's, but he's, he's, he's been off for sure. Um, but he's not, you know, he's not anywhere near bottom. He's still, he's still a top five cornerback in in the league right now.
00:43:37
Roger Emeka
So JSN plays, I believe, I don't have it in front of me, but I have some numbers about Gardiner.
00:43:38
Fabio
Yes. Yep.
00:43:44
Roger Emeka
JSN plays at least like almost half his snaps, if not more, 60% of his snaps from the slot. Saws Gardiner, he's played 18 snaps aligned in the slot, 597 at corner, so.
00:43:59
Roger Emeka
i I think overall the scheme is what would concern me for JSN, not Saws Gardener, who I think this year is, is over, is over, was overrated.
00:44:06
Nacc
No, no, his sauce is not going to cover him.
00:44:08
Roger Emeka
Like, so we'll see.
00:44:11
Nacc
Sauce won't cover him. and i just i And I know they've been getting dinged by the deep ball.
00:44:12
Roger Emeka
No, no, no. Yeah.
00:44:16
Nacc
like that's They've been been getting attacked like that, but more shorter intermediate style routes, have they've been they've been able to keep wide receivers in check.
00:44:18
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:44:19
Fabio
yeah
00:44:25
Nacc
so i think
00:44:25
Fabio
Yeah.
00:44:26
Nacc
He may have a 10, 12 point game, but I don't think he gets anywhere near 26, which he's been averaging the last three weeks.
00:44:35
Fabio
It's a gutsy call now. I could see if you go four for four.
00:44:38
Roger Emeka
We'll see.
00:44:39
Fabio
We'll see indeed.
00:44:39
Roger Emeka
I hope not.
00:44:39
Nacc
Let's see.
00:44:41
Fabio
I can see Roger is taking a little bit of
00:44:41
Roger Emeka
Just for my fantasy team. Otherwise, I root for you, but I i hope this one I...
00:44:46
Fabio
Roger's taking a little bit of offense to this call right now because he wants JSN to go off.
00:44:50
Roger Emeka
No, but noba it's it's more like I've actually thought of sitting him too because I have some other options. But what's led me to not want to is this is just how weak Gardner has been.
00:45:01
Roger Emeka
So we'll see.
00:45:05
Fabio
We'll see. What about your second hey a hate for the week?
00:45:08
Nacc
Yeah, second heat for the week is going to be De'Andre Swift at the Lions on Thanksgiving Day, first game of the day. With no offensive coordinator, Swift saw just 55% of the snaps in week 12 and 16 total touches that he turned into 66 scoreless yards and was not on the field for goal line touches.
DeAndre Swift's Tough Matchup
00:45:27
Nacc
That is going to limit his upside going forward, in my opinion.
00:45:31
Nacc
On Thanksgiving he gets the Lions team that is going absolutely nuclear on teams while giving up the second fewest points to running backs. Now that is partly due to negative gain strip forcing teams to abandon the run early due to a lopsided score. So while Chicago seems to have turned it around offensively I don't think they're ready to go toe for toe with a giant just yet. and They were more They more than likely have to turn to the past fairly early while playing catch-up, so I do not like Swift's chances to break the top 20 mark for running backs this week.
00:46:09
Fabio
so And last week the Colts played the Lions and that was a big reason why I jumped i benched JT and he didn't really have a very good game. So I think the same the same expectation can be had for DeAndre Swift and you hit on it too when eight when they have to abandon the the game script and just start passing the ball a lot more. obviously It obviously limits every single possible opportunity for running back to get any type of production. yeah't I don't expect DeAndre Swift to have a good game this week.
00:46:37
Nacc
The wide receivers could probably potentially have a good game. They might see a lot of garbage time as well.
00:46:40
Fabio
Yeah. Well, it.
00:46:41
Nacc
So like DJ Moore, Keenan Allen, like I'd fire those guys up for sure.
00:46:43
Fabio
Yeah.
00:46:46
Fabio
Okay.
00:46:46
Nacc
um
00:46:46
Fabio
Cause they're going to have to catch up, right? That's the thing about the lines. Like they, they don't stop scoring points, even when they're up by 40 points or 30 points, like they just keep on scoring points.
00:46:53
Nacc
Yeah, they're relentless, relentless.
00:46:55
Fabio
Yeah, man. They just nonstop. So as an offense, it's like, okay, let me just start checking the ball. It does help the wide receivers a lot more than helps running backs.
00:47:05
Fabio
Uh, yeah, absolutely. Don't disagree with that. I'm going to move on to my hates right now. So my first hate of the week is James Connor at Minnesota. So not a great showing last week for Mr. Reliable RB two who's rushed for a total of eight yards versus Seattle D. And unfortunately it might even get even even harder for week 13 playing in Minnesota versus the top rank run D who give up 62 yards rushing average per game. And I've only surrendered four rushing touchdowns all year.
00:47:31
Fabio
On top of that, Trey Benson has started to eke out a larger role in the offense week by week and has seen his snap share and carry share climb as well. James Connor is a big fade for me, close to a flex play at best, unless you have better options.
00:47:42
Fabio
And if you do, um, but if you don't, like, I think you're better off just benching him.
00:47:50
Fabio
And he's like steady Eddie RB two every single year.
00:47:51
Nacc
and it tough Yeah, ah he had a tough game. I think he had, what was it? It was nine carries for eight yards or something, or or seven carries for eight yards?
00:47:57
Fabio
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It yeah was a.
00:47:59
Roger Emeka
That was the one knock i told like I couldn't get it why they dropped the game script script so early because they were still in the game.
00:48:05
Nacc
Yeah, they were in the game.
00:48:06
Fabio
yeah.
00:48:06
Nacc
They were in the game. You're right. You you called it called it, which was very, very yeah very strange, just that he wasn't getting, he was just getting, you know he had 1.1 yards per carry, so it's tough to keep giving someone the rock.
00:48:19
Nacc
but i guess like At that point just turn to Trey Benson maybe see if he could pick out some runs like I don't think you just abandoned the run altogether.
00:48:24
Fabio
I think they had. I think Trey Benson had, had a few more carries than, uh, than Connor last week, but Connor was a little more active in the, in the PP in the passing game. He went five for five for 41 yards. So he salvaged his day a little bit with that nine fantasy points there just from PPR. But, uh, from a, from a rushing perspective, it was, it was horrible.
00:48:46
Nacc
Yeah, Benson did go for for 18 but.
00:48:49
Fabio
Yeah.
00:48:51
Roger Emeka
If I could just go back to the Lions Bears Thanksgiving game. So the Lions hadn't won in the Thanksgiving game since 2016.
00:49:02
Nacc
Interesting.
00:49:03
Fabio
Really?
00:49:04
Roger Emeka
Yeah, I was surprised too.
00:49:06
Nacc
Would they lose to last year?
00:49:06
Roger Emeka
I remember the Packers.
00:49:09
Nacc
Oh, right.
00:49:09
Fabio
Oh, yeah.
00:49:09
Nacc
That was a good game.
00:49:10
Fabio
Okay. That makes sense.
00:49:10
Roger Emeka
That was a great game. I i think it would be an interesting betting situation with that that Bears Lions game.
00:49:19
Fabio
Hmm.
00:49:20
Nacc
We'll look out for your picks.
00:49:21
Fabio
Yeah, indeed. Indeed, and that's a great segue into my next hate, which is Caleb Williams, quarterback for Chicago Bears at Detroit for, again, Thanksgiving. Ain't no doubt about it. Caleb Williams has seen an uptick in form as of late, both passing and rushing, like we alluded to yesterday.
00:49:39
Fabio
But right now he's facing a very tough Detroit Lions on Thanksgiving, and I think it's going to turn Caleb into a Turkey. The last four game, the last four quarterbacks to face Detroit D have averaged 10.5 fantasy points.
00:49:50
Fabio
All season in Detroit have given up only seven passing touchdowns. They give up a decent amount of passing yards per game, 227 per, but that's a large part of the, uh, the garbage time yards opponents rack up on them.
00:49:55
Nacc
Wow.
00:50:03
Fabio
Like we just mentioned before. They're also second in the league in INTs at 14 and give up the lowest passer rating in the league at 72.7.
Detroit Lions' Defensive Strengths
00:50:13
Fabio
Caleb is a bench in all quarterback formats in my opinion this week.
00:50:18
Nacc
Imagine they still had Hutchinson on this team. Like, they haven't blinked with this guy gone.
00:50:20
Fabio
Yeah, man. Yeah.
00:50:22
Nacc
Like, most teams, you know, you lose ah a TJ Watt, a Miles Garrett, like, those type of players.
00:50:25
Fabio
Dude, his short list for defensive play of the year, man.
00:50:26
Nacc
Like, your teams, your teams crumble on on defense.
00:50:30
Fabio
Yeah.
00:50:30
Nacc
Man, did they not miss a beat and more. Like, they just, they're just humming.
00:50:33
Fabio
But this goes down to coaching though, like they're, they're coached so well on offense and on defense.
00:50:38
Nacc
Yeah, they're coaching very well.
00:50:39
Fabio
These guys are playing well above their skill level. And that's not to say that they're not skilled. They are. But like you said, like you get rid of Aiden Hutchinson and they don't skip a beat. It just shows you how good the rest of the team are playing and how much they want to win.
00:50:52
Fabio
And they're not quitting on anything.
00:50:55
Nacc
We cool to see him back for the playoffs.
00:50:57
Fabio
I hope so.
00:50:58
Roger Emeka
Did that broken leg, man? God.
00:51:00
Nacc
Well, they said ah was it was it NFC Championship or Super Bowl?
00:51:01
Roger Emeka
That looked like.
00:51:04
Nacc
He'd be back for Super Bowl if they made it.
00:51:05
Roger Emeka
Fab, I don't know if I would a hundred percent bench Caleb in two QB super flex.
00:51:07
Fabio
It's amazing.
00:51:15
Fabio
So would you would you start Caleb over Kirk cousins?
00:51:20
Roger Emeka
Yeah. A hundred percent.
00:51:20
Nacc
Yeah, 100%.
00:51:21
Roger Emeka
A hundred and 20%.
00:51:21
Fabio
This week? Yeah, you would.
00:51:22
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:51:22
Nacc
Yeah, I would, I would.
00:51:23
Roger Emeka
Yeah. just Just from the last two games and the rushing ability.
00:51:29
Fabio
Because shorts are also very good against the against rushing as well.
00:51:30
Nacc
The coordinator coordinator is is is making me change my mind a little bit on on yeah on on Chicago.
00:51:31
Fabio
Like we just mentioned.
00:51:34
Roger Emeka
Aaron Glenn. Oh, Thomas Trimperani. Yeah.
00:51:40
Nacc
Again, like you could see, it you you could see some garbage time, but he could also throw some picks, right? But those garbage time opportunities, like it's a very, I don't know if I'm benching them all together, but yeah, I'm not expecting a 25 point showing here.
00:51:47
Roger Emeka
So, so the Detroit plays the most
00:51:54
Fabio
Like if he finishes outside the top 20 for quarterbacks, I wouldn't be surprised at all.
00:51:59
Roger Emeka
Detroit plays the most man defense in the league and I think they blitz quite a bit. So I could see a similar type of usage for DJ more like last week from Caleb.
00:52:10
Fabio
Well, why receivers fair very well against Detroit for a lot of those reasons.
00:52:16
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:52:17
Fabio
The quarterbacks typically do not.
00:52:18
Nacc
They're just not getting into the end zone. That's crazy. I lost seven passing touchdowns.
00:52:21
Roger Emeka
Yeah.
00:52:22
Nacc
That's wild.
00:52:22
Roger Emeka
Yeah. That red zone, the red zone defense is really good.
00:52:23
Fabio
Yep.
00:52:24
Nacc
Yeah, it's out.
00:52:25
Roger Emeka
I watched it against the Colts game.
00:52:25
Fabio
Yeah.
00:52:27
Roger Emeka
Like they were really stuck.
00:52:27
Fabio
Not a single quarterback has thrown multiple touchdowns against them.
00:52:32
Nacc
Wild.
00:52:33
Fabio
Yeah. No, the defense is very good. The defense is very, very good. And, uh, you know, who scored the second most points against the choice, uh, against Detroit as a quarterback.
00:52:44
Fabio
It's your boy Knack, Mason Rudolph. That's also cause he got in the end zone. He got a, he got a rushing touchdown on the end zone.
00:52:51
Nacc
Mason Rudolph.
00:52:52
Fabio
Gotta love it. and And there we have it, ladies and gentlemen. That's it for us. So ah thanks for sticking with us for another episode of the Bushley Cuddle Fancy Football Podcast. Once again, don't forget to like, share, subscribe to all of our social medias. Please, please, please download and listen to our episodes on Spotify, Apple Podcast, and YouTube. Thank you for spending your time with us. I'm Fab. He's Raj, that snack. We're out. Happy American Thanksgiving. Enjoy the football.
00:53:17
Nacc
I still can't believe he did this. Like it's just so ugly and aggressive.
00:53:19
Fabio
few the odd you
00:53:20
Roger Emeka
You forgot to cue the music.
00:53:21
Nacc
It was so aggressive.
00:53:21
Fabio
and so breath
00:53:23
Nacc
It was so aggressive.
00:53:25
Roger Emeka
Michigan Ohio State Week, baby.
00:53:29
Nacc
Yeah.
00:53:29
Roger Emeka
Go Blue.
00:53:30
Nacc
Michigan though, Michigan.
00:53:31
Roger Emeka
I know, but it's three straight years.
00:53:32
Fabio
Yeah.
00:53:35
Roger Emeka
Three straight years they beat the man.
00:53:36
Nacc
Yeah. Yeah. But this this year, this year they don't have, they really don't have the team this year, man.
00:53:38
Fabio
My cousin's, my cousin's a big Ohio state fan.
00:53:38
Roger Emeka
Did they get it?
00:53:41
Roger Emeka
I know. No, they don't. I'm going to put some money in that shirt.
00:53:42
Fabio
My cousin, Erica is a big Ohio state fan. I'm just going to shut her out real quick. Oh, H IO. She listened to the pod all the way down to Florida.
00:53:48
Roger Emeka
Nice.
00:53:48
Fabio
Thank you very much.
00:53:49
Nacc
i
00:53:50
Fabio
So she's a big Ohio state fan.
00:53:51
Roger Emeka
Did she go to Ohio State or did she go to Ohio?
00:53:54
Fabio
It's a great question. Erica, if you're listening, please mention that in the comments, what university went to.
00:53:57
Nacc
Nice.
00:53:58
Fabio
She's a giants fan. So she's a good people.
00:54:01
Nacc
ah
00:54:04
Fabio
She's good people. We've been tortured, okay?
00:54:06
Nacc
yeah
00:54:06
Fabio
Let let us have this moment, all right? Let's have this moment.
00:54:08
Roger Emeka
She should be playing in Syria and not to NFL.
00:54:14
Fabio
Oh my God.
00:54:15
Nacc
You're definitely an American at Italian.
00:54:18
Roger Emeka
He's going to look at Tony.
00:54:18
Fabio
Definitely America. Dummy Cutlets. He's not even gonna play this week.
00:54:23
Roger Emeka
Wait, was Sean still alive at the game? i didn't They didn't pan to him once, did they?
00:54:26
Fabio
Oh, I don't know. I don't care.
00:54:28
Nacc
i I wasn't paying attention.
00:54:30
Fabio
I wasn't paying attention either, honestly.
00:54:31
Nacc
It wasn't nationally televised either for some reason, good reason.
00:54:34
Fabio
for all
00:54:35
Roger Emeka
We'll be tomorrow, or tomorrow, Thursday.
00:54:37
Fabio
yeah
00:54:37
Nacc
Thursday, yeah.
00:54:40
Fabio
Love to see the viewership after it probably be the lowest in history Okay, we're good, okay.
00:54:47
Roger Emeka
Yeah, bye.
00:54:48
Nacc
Goodbye.
00:54:48
Fabio
Bye. Thank you