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There's No Concussion Protocol In A Pumpkin Patch
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Wrestle Dream, Pumpkin Patch wrestling matches, new business ventures, Netflix's Wrestlers. All three Predetermined boys are back with some hard hitting topics
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Fashion Faux Pas in Wrestling Merch
00:00:34
Speaker
Now, is that a Bullet Club gold shirt? Because I hope it is. It's a candy shirt. It's a candy shirt. I breathe the switchblade these days. This is my Bullet Club shirt that says Bullet Club on it is strictly a bedtime shirt for me.
00:00:56
Speaker
It is too weird for me to, it feels like I'm supporting America in a way that I don't want people to think I do. Yeah, I think. And it even did back then, but more so now. I think the only like general Bullet Club shirt I had, I think I only had one. And I think it's definitely not in my rotation. I don't know whether I just donated it or put it in storage, but similar reasons. I'm like, I just don't want.
00:01:26
Speaker
Proud boys being like yeah They look at me they they look at we're like you look proud, too I'm like I have nothing to be proud of don't don't think that I'm proud. I'm not proud of anything The worst are that the hangman paid shirts with like nooses
00:01:48
Speaker
Didn't even think about that because I would have never considered buying a Hangman shirt back then. You really can only wear them in very, very specific contexts. I have a couple in my storage. I have a couple of boxes of shame. I mean, the Bullet Club shirts aren't a box of shame. I love that era. It's just kind of weird to wear them now.
00:02:06
Speaker
Um, but there's also a bunch of Marty's girl shirts that are just, well, for all kinds of reasons. Do you just have a box of shirts in your garage labeled canceled? Like they just, somebody's like, what does that mean? There's one box that says canceled. And then there's another box that just says problematic question mark.
00:02:33
Speaker
Yeah, actually, I will say though, on the Hangman Page shirts, that when I wore anxious millennial cowboy, when that was the shirt I wore to my last round of surgeries, was a big hit with the nursing staff. They had no idea it was a wrestling shirt. They were just like, that's pretty on brand for what you're going through, buddy. They're like, don't worry, partner, we're going to get you all fixed up. We're going to get you back to the saloon in no time.
00:03:01
Speaker
By the way, I'm glad I saw the email come in just in time because I was about to text. OK, guys, I'm I got in late last night, but I'm up. I got my coffee. I just need to know, do I have time to make waffles or not?
Breakfast Debate: Waffles, Pancakes, or French Toast?
00:03:17
Speaker
I was like, what am I doing at 11 and 11 is waffles or podcasting? I don't think I can do both at the same time. But but if if it waited five more minutes, I would be in the midst of making some waffles right now.
00:03:31
Speaker
Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of Predetermined at Pro Wrestling. Hang out, Garrett Callender here, Jimmy Fax here, Chris Biggs here. You hear the whole gang. And as you heard Fax say, the earliest we've ever recorded. I think so. We're a late night podcast. We're a hang out with the boys and have a beer at the end of the night podcast. Let's have some waffles. Though we definitely look like guys who could enjoy some waffles before a podcast.
00:04:01
Speaker
Yeah. And it's especially for me because I just got back in from the West Coast. And that's why I want waffles because I've been staying in a hotel and there's just the waffle maker there. Waffles is not part of my regular rotation, but it's like it kind of makes you think of like, well, you know what?
00:04:18
Speaker
I don't just have to have waffles at a hotel. I can have waffles at home. That's the thing I'm capable of. I want to ask a question that was posed on America's most serious show, Love is Blind. Fuck Mary Kill. French toast. Waffles. Pancakes.
00:04:43
Speaker
You guys can think about it, I can give my answer first, because I have my answer. I have my answer too. So for me, and I think it's changed, but it's still going to be kill French toast. I used to hate French toast, now I really like French toast, but it still can't stand up to the others and it's too inconsistent. I'm going to marry pancakes, because pancakes is definitely my one I can wake up to every day.
00:05:10
Speaker
And then I like to fuck waffles. Again, waffles is a vacation breakfast for me, right? It's an out-of-town breakfast. It's a hotel breakfast. So that's more like my little side piece on the West Coast, right? And conveniently enough, my wife often makes pancakes, never makes waffles. So it kind of even fits my actual sex life. See, I agree. You marry pancakes. Pancakes are consistent. They're always there for you.
00:05:39
Speaker
You know, you dress them up a little bit, you know, chocolate chips or something like that. Um, I'm going to kill waffles. I, I'm just not as much of a waffle guy. I love me some French toast, but only I'm with you facts. French toast done right. Right. You can't, you're not spending every day with French toast, but someone said, Hey,
00:05:58
Speaker
that French toast is covered in like a vanilla bean cream and like strawberries and Nutella. And I'm like, they're making like a French toast out of like a nice French baguette or something. Yeah. And I think that take the pancake narrative forward. It's kind of like, you know, you can throw some like chocolate chips in there. That's kind of like you and your wife getting into a little role play. You know, sometimes it feels like things are getting a little vanilla. You know, maybe we throw a little nursing costume in here. That's that's throwing some bananas in there.
00:06:27
Speaker
Exactly. But pancakes are always beautiful without being dressed up. Yeah, right. You know, no makeup on that pancake still beautiful and wonderful. Always nice and moist.
00:06:40
Speaker
and leave it be to go third, I will say this, the good thing about you guys, we have a very similar mindset and you hit every beat of every joke I would have said for any of those. No, no, no, it's totally fine. But when I, when you named all of them, like, yes, I agree. Pancakes, reliable, that's who you're marrying. Waffles, that is a pancake and lingerie that I'll be excited to have a smooch with every now and then.
00:07:08
Speaker
But yeah, the French toast, the way I looked at it, coming soon, Erotic Thriller Club podcast. Lots of episodes have been recorded. It's been really funny. I was thinking about it in erotic thriller terms. Like French toast is kind of like Glenn Close and fatal attraction. Like she, you know, maybe you have one good time, but then it's gonna try and kill me somehow. So you gotta kill it before it kills you.
00:07:37
Speaker
You know, on that note, I will say the best, I think the best French toast I ever had did try to kill me. It was at the, in Memphis, there's the arcade, the place that like famously Elvis used to go to every day. And the peanut butter, fried peanut butter and banana sandwich, pretty mid, pretty mid. But get the French toast that Elvis used to eat. It is like 7,000 calories. It is deep fried French toast.
00:08:04
Speaker
It is, it tastes like something where it's like, it's the way I would imagine is like when a cat or a dog gets a piece of like good steak and they're like, oh my God, this human food is better than it should be, but I know I'm not supposed to have it. That's the way the Elvis French toast that the arcade in Memphis tastes. It's like you could only ever have it once, because if you have it the second time, you just die on the toilet that day.
00:08:33
Speaker
And that is, yeah, like the three questions we ask in the Erotic Thriller Club is one, was I aroused? Two, was it thrilling? Three, would I ruin my life for this person? And honestly, that French toast is something that you truly have to ruin your life. Like that's gonna fuck your day up. It's gonna like, I mean, you got cancer.
00:08:55
Speaker
Yeah, it might have been the French toast. It might have been from the French toast. And it's all well, it's so I've never I've never shot up heroin, you know, but I would liken it that French toast to that. I've heard good things is like the first time I did it, it was a lot of fun. But I think like like heroin, I think it would be like if you do it a second time, like you're not going to just do it a second time. You're going to you're going to do it until it kills you.
00:09:25
Speaker
And you're chasing a dragon. It's never going to be as good as the first time because you'll never, you'll just never have that feeling again of the first time of this insanity hitting your mouth. Well, and since it was the French toast that Elvis ate, it probably does have a heavy amount of barbiturates and opiates in it. I thought those were sprinkles. Those are blue pills.
00:09:48
Speaker
Why did you have to deep fry them? Like, that's a French toast that after eight or nine plates, you do book a match with the dragon, the American dragon. And you just get on your knees and say, fetish me, fetish me, and let him just knee your goddamn head off. Like Saxeber Junior. Do you think Saxeber Junior had some pancakes? He is a vegan. He probably has got to enjoy some French toast, otherwise I don't know what else. French toast.
00:10:16
Speaker
French toast, they all have eggs, right? No, you're right. You could make them pretty... Well, actually, pancakes don't need to have eggs. Pancakes are the most easily adaptable. You really need an egg, though, on a French toast or a waffle. I think it's a necessity with the French toast. Isn't that what makes it French toast? Could you use vegan egg?
00:10:37
Speaker
substitute, I don't know. I'm sure there's a way to do it, right? You can't be that. But I also got to imagine, no matter what, Zach Sabre Jr., just that he's in downtown Seattle the day after the show, and he's just going from pub to pub until he'll have someone who will make him a proper English breakfast. He's got to stay on bread. His fucking attitude really makes sense now that I know he's vegan.
00:11:04
Speaker
Or you didn't know that? I didn't know that. I just thought he was an asshole, a regular asshole. He has a shirt that says, be kind to animals or I'll arm bar you. I've not seen that one. A friend of mine, our rockets are red, Jeff Everett,
Vegan Wrestlers and Technical Styles
00:11:20
Speaker
also a vegan also owns that shirt. He's like, this is the best t-shirt. This is the best wrestling t-shirt ever made. And I'm going to acquire it. Even shirts that he's designed. He's like, this is better than those.
00:11:32
Speaker
Well, and and and Danielson from my recollection of reading his book, and it's been a while, he's like a vegan, but he says he occasionally go kind of relapses off, right? He says he'll occasionally meet for a reason, but he's generally most days a vegan. Right. So does that mean that this match at Wrestle Dream was this the biggest ever vegan violence we've ever seen? It's got to be right. I can't imagine.
00:12:00
Speaker
Who was the ref? Did we get a vegan ref in there? Oh, that's a good question. I think, was it Aubrey? I don't know. I actually haven't seen the match, so. Oh, it's fantastic. You should see it. Oh, quite good. Again, I literally got back at two in the morning last night. I went to the sleep, woke up, made some coffee, thought about waffles, and now I'm talking to you guys. So here's my review of the, my spoiler for your review of this match.
00:12:27
Speaker
You can feel free to spoil me. This is a wrestling podcast. The rest of the audience has seen this match. I probably can see this match. I actually don't think you can spoil it too much in the sense that what's wonderful about the match is exactly. It's a five star match because it hits every expectation you could have for the match. You're like, I could imagine these two are going to do very violent things to each other with wrestling holds. And you're like,
00:12:53
Speaker
Yeah, that's what they do for like 25 minutes. Now this is literally, there's a point where he's, ZSJ is like bending, um, Danielson's elbow back and Nigel McGinnis screams up, stands up and starts screaming as if he is, he is, he's just,
00:13:13
Speaker
Like, he is just having the best, because he's hated Danielson for so long, and he's like, I love that another British man is doing this to Brian Danielson. And Moc stands up and, like, moves his mic and goes, fuck that guy, Brian. Fuck that guy. Get him. But, like, you can still hear him, because he hasn't gotten the mic that far from him. Which might have been intentional, right? Because Moc is such a, like, yeah. It was beautiful. It was absolutely beautiful.
00:13:43
Speaker
Garrett, are you reconsidering any of your feelings about this match now knowing that it was a vegan versus vegan matchup? It doesn't change anything for me. Like it makes me actually more question all technical wrestlers. I was sitting there going through my head and I'm like, are the rest of them vegan?
00:14:00
Speaker
Well, which is interesting, like what is the definition of a technical wrestler? Because like back in the day, like way back in the day, we would have said like Bret Hart, right, was the definition of technical. But today's technical wrestlers are way different than Bret Hart. Right. Right. And now we would consider what Bret Hart did then of like the WWE main event style of the 90s kind of.
00:14:22
Speaker
So so where do we put that definition of like, who's the least technical wrestler that we would consider a technical wrestler? And why is it John Moxley? I was I was going to say it might be Brett like my Brett might sort of be in some ways still like a baseline of a technical wrestler in that he
00:14:47
Speaker
works holds he finishes people with holds and that's the sort of the baseline of his work although again he uses a lot of strikes and elbow he is doing a lot more non-technical wrestling with you when you think about it than i think we would imagine when we thought of him as a as a child i'm with you on mox though right mox is uh sort of a technical wrestler but not really
00:15:13
Speaker
So so you like a technical wrestler is like a good time masseuse. Right. They're going to be able to apply a lot of pressure. They're they're going to they're going to apply some real holds. They know what they're doing. And they're going to make Nigel McGinnis come. And they're going to. Yeah, I was going to say. And they're going to always make sure to always finish.
00:15:40
Speaker
So this was odd. So I watched this pay-per-view. I got back from Austin at like 1230 at night. So I didn't start this pay-per-view till 130 in the morning, the night that it happened.
00:15:55
Speaker
And I immediately just watched two matches, this one and the main event. And that's probably what I'm going to do right after we're done recording, by the way. I'm going to just jump to those, maybe the last three. I don't know. I'll probably I probably want to see the six man with, you know, Kenny and team callous. Yeah, that's a little. That's earlier. Yeah. Yeah. The Aussie open FTR matches, the one immediately before the main event.
00:16:22
Speaker
then I'll watch those four. I'm pretty comfortable putting that match on too. And it's unclear if that match is gonna happen again just because it appears Mark Davis is an egg.
00:16:36
Speaker
Who's wrestling? I don't. He broke his wrist in this match, it seems. I don't know what's happened. Poor guy. Me injuries. He's just. See, this is what he seems very tough, but very brittle somehow. See, this is what happens when you wrestle against meat eaters, you know, because cash wheeler definitely is eating meat. He definitely still owns a couple of the old Bullet Club shirts. He eats pork chops off a bone.
00:17:02
Speaker
Just his hands. He just literally goes to farms and just grabs ribs out of a living pig. He starts eating them raw while threatening it with a gun. Did you look at my wife? Well, he's going to say we had a friend in town who he doesn't visit us that often, but somehow.
00:17:26
Speaker
has been in town specifically on the days of the last three AEW pay-per-views. And so he's had to see them because he's here. And that's three of the last four weekends. I'm sorry, he wasn't here for the Chicago weekend. He was here for the two before that.
00:17:48
Speaker
Um, so London for my kid's birthday and then wherever they were before the London pay-per-view. But, but again, that's been the, even the London pay-per-view, it was a month and a week ago. And we've had three pay-per-views and a grand slam since then. That's true. But he watched that match and I was like, you, this is going to be a banger. This is going to be five stars. And he is not a wrestling fan.
00:18:18
Speaker
And to him, the Danielson Sabre match was boring as hell. I could see that. And I really thought like if there's going to be a technical match to convince somebody that technical wrestling is good, this would be the match. And it did not do it for him. Did you show him ZSJ versus Nick Gage afterwards to see if that maybe resonated more as like a bridge in technical?
00:18:45
Speaker
I would have thought ZSJ versus Walter back in progress. Like they had some fucking really good matches where he's just getting swatted out of the air and, but like just climbing all over Walter. I don't know, those were some good ones.
00:19:00
Speaker
Well, I do think Brett is still probably the best intro into technical wrestling because again, it's not that overly technical. It still kind of fits the narrative. And I remember back in the day I downloaded this like compilation of just Brett Hart TV matches and I deleted all the pay-per-view ones that I knew and just watching all of his matches from like Raw and superstars and Saturday Night's Main Event and like
00:19:26
Speaker
just this catalog of like a like eight to 11 minute Bret Hart matches that are like four and a quarter is off the scale. And it's just so it's like just comfort food. And I used to just watch like one or two Bret Hart matches before I went to bed every night. Because it was just like, this is comfortable and I can always watch one more.
00:19:47
Speaker
But do you think for a casual fan, like this is a friend who literally watches no wrestling other than when he's at my house and something is on that he is forced to, like where the majority of his exposure has been like PWG style wrestling. I don't know if you can go back and show somebody like that Brett Hart wrestling and still have to enjoy it. I think you can, cause that's the thing is you go back to like 1993 Brett Hart
00:20:14
Speaker
And he's going against Skinner and, you know, he knows right away what Skinner's whole deal is. That's the beauty of what we consider the nadir of modern pro wrestling, or I don't know, silver age pro wrestling. Like we probably need to start aging these things, but like is.
00:20:31
Speaker
joint the clown, you got his deal right away. Skinner, you got his deal. Duke, the dumpster, Drosi, you know, and you could kind of always tell Brett was like the because that was the beautiful thing about Brett Hartley singles matches, too, is he basically played the face in peril, even though it wasn't a tag match. He played the face in peril against a bunch of guys with side jobs. No, the wrestling was the side job to be clear. OK.
00:21:01
Speaker
What's the thing, Greg? If he wrestling, if Brett's wrestling the barbarian, yeah, he's basically, it's like, it's like the heart foundation against the powers of pain, except Brett just makes the comeback on his own. Right. They just realized they, they, they looked at the heart foundation. Vince was looking at the heart foundation. He goes, Hmm, this is a really good team. How could we make it better? And he's like, wait a minute. What if Brett just tagged in Brett? We can, we don't even need nine heart.
00:21:31
Speaker
Well, that's why I will say I worry for, uh, for Mark Davis because they keep referencing them as like the Ferrari in the tank. And that's what they used to call the heart foundation. And we know what happened to the tank in the heart foundation. Now, admittedly, as best, as far as we can tell, Mark Davis uses a significantly smaller amount of drugs than Jim Nighthart did.
00:21:58
Speaker
Also, I think that that's going to help him in in his future, but he could have a very successful daughter. It's true. It's true. But but maybe that's why he keeps getting his night hard, never got hurt. Maybe Mark Davis isn't doing enough drugs. Hmm. Yeah, if he just talk to all those delicious, delicious pills that you can.
00:22:26
Speaker
Maybe he should go on your pancakes. Yeah, maybe he should be going down to Memphis after every show, getting an Elvis French toast and he'll never be heard again or he'll just wrestle through it. It's fine. He doesn't give a fuck. So, yeah, I mean, I don't know. I love that match. The main event is pretty fucking killer.
00:22:52
Speaker
It was a stunt show.
00:22:58
Speaker
I did see I've already been spoiled on, I think, a lot of it. So I did see that both of my predictions, not predictions. So because Chris was the only one of us that watched live and he mentioned how there's one thing that's going to be really hard to not spoil if you go on social media. And I guess that that was edge coming back. And then I see that my secondary guess after that, which I would have said beforehand, was it does look like Nick Wayne has has gone heel on Derby, which I'm very glad because that that
00:23:29
Speaker
Just I wanna see some more Christian Cage and Nick Wayne's mom. I want like a family dinner scene. Those would be great vignettes.
00:23:42
Speaker
And again, I haven't seen Dynamite since, so I don't really know the context of the, I know Edge looks like had some confrontation with Christian, so it looks like they're at odds, but I'm just hoping that whether it's soon or it's down the line, I want to see Edge and Christian as a team together, and their whole thing on both sides is they're just trying to pull down all the moms.
00:24:08
Speaker
just they're trying to sleep with all of the young wrestlers moms.
Wrestling Storylines and Upcoming Matches
00:24:11
Speaker
And then like they even get to like Kenny or something. And he's like, you know, Kenny's like, you know, I'm like in my mid to late 30s, my mom is like 60 and they're like, yeah, that's fine. That's fine. Yeah. Well, in the deal, their facts is basically edge cut a promo where he's like, look.
00:24:32
Speaker
I know Christian, I had to stop you from, from beating up Sting because, uh, you used to get your hair cut like Sting with the rat tail. It was too, it would have been too emotional for me, but we should get back together. We're one of the greatest tag teams of all time. And, uh, Christian hugged him, leaned into his ear and said, go fuck yourself.
00:24:52
Speaker
That's where we're at right now. Was that bleeped on television? It was. It was. OK. Because I've seen very many clips where it was not censored, but I'm pretty sure it was censored on my DVR. It might have been like the fight stream. You know, they didn't have to bleep that.
00:25:10
Speaker
That makes sense. Um, which I'm starting to wonder, it's like, do I need to get a VPN? Cause they, they literally now sometimes that the, uh, the Kenny and Jericho against Takeshita and Fletcher match, they had two commercial breaks in the same match. I'm like, do I just, maybe it's time, maybe it's VPN time for, for, for Chris. Wait, does that mean while I'm overseas, am I going to be able to use fight to watch dynamite?
00:25:35
Speaker
You could sign up for that. Yeah. If you'd have to sign up for a W plus. But if you do that. But it's only like five bucks or something, right? Yeah. Like you would be worth it for the month, I think. Yeah. Just just and then just cancel it after one month. So I'll be there for two of them. So. Yeah. If you get into a 250 a pop right to get it to a get it right and to get it without the stream and not have to worry about downloading stuff, depending on what your Internet's like in Italy.
00:26:02
Speaker
Yeah. I say do it. And then maybe when you come back, just, yeah, just get hop on that VPN train, keep it going. Yeah. And it's definitely probably cheaper than getting sling to watch it every week. Yeah. And more reliable. And honestly, like it, it might be showing just on TV in Italy, but figuring out when and what channel it will be impossible.
00:26:26
Speaker
Depending on my situation over there, I will gladly wake up at two in the morning to record with you guys. Um, I won't have the same headphone set or the same mic set up, but I can still use my headphone mic. I mean, we'll have, again, we, we will have stuff to talk about next week as facts and I on, uh, on Friday are going to see menorah Suzuki. Yeah.
00:26:51
Speaker
Do you, oh, is it at HOG or where at? HOG. Have they announced he's wrestling even? I was literally just, last night too, I was going through like my calendar and I saw, I was like, ooh, that shows on Friday. And I was just thinking, I was like, I have no idea what else is on the card. I'll Google it. I got a second. Well, while you look that up, we'll also have tonight as the night of this record is deathmatch war games.
00:27:18
Speaker
Yeah, I'm excited. It does feel like that garage story there, but yeah, I think it's in the garage. So on their official website, by the way, they have not nothing. No card on Instagram. It appears that Suzuki is wrestling Charles Mason. Which is not my favorite. It's not my favorite Suzuki opponent, but it's Suzuki and it doesn't matter. So.
00:27:46
Speaker
Well, that's better than the heavyweight championship or the GCW heavyweight championship magic work at all. Yeah, I saw that. I see it, Chris. No. Break the news to them, facts. Um, so, you know, if we go to Corkin Hall and see it, we can see the man who won the J.C.W. title in Jersey City when the GCW title in Japan.
00:28:11
Speaker
Wait, so literally they're showing Japanese people Blake Christian against Jordan Oliver. Presumably in the main event. That can't be it can't be. Why would you know that Janelle has got to be main eventing? Well, are they only doing one one night? Oh, no, maybe it's two nights. It could be the main event. Yeah, I assume I assumed it was just going to be main eventing to two separate nights.
00:28:37
Speaker
The other thing that's on our show here, facts, Santana against Rocky Romero. Yeah, okay. That can be okay. That's interesting, I guess. It'll be interesting to see, like, because we haven't seen Santana, like, run something a little longer for him. Not that him and Rocky's necessarily going to go, like, 15 minutes or anything, but presumably it is, right? If it's going to be high in the cart on HOG.
00:29:03
Speaker
Leila Gray against Kiki Van Gogh, which is a great name. That appears to be all that's announced, but, you know, it's Suzuki. The main event versus Cash Flow for the tag titles. Okay. All right. So, Cash Flow.
00:29:22
Speaker
Yeah. Are you serious? Cash flow. Yeah. Hell yeah. I'm a big cash flow guy now. Well, we're we're big main event guys. And especially because they took the titles to the briskos in in the briskos. That was their last match. Yeah. Yeah. Cash flow was heavily featured on a show. I binged. Wrestlers on Netflix. Oh, oh, I don't cash flow.
00:29:48
Speaker
It has to be, right? Yeah. I mean, is there two different tag teams like in the modern era, both called Cash Flow here? I can share the picture from. Does it look like a guy like an older guy, like a guy who has been wrestling a minute? One guy definitely looks young. The other guy is just kind of sniffing dollars. So you can't really tell it is the picture. But I'm trying to think they both look like they have like
00:30:15
Speaker
some dreads but not complete dreadlocks. Oh, this is different people altogether. This guy looks like he'd been wrestling the territories. You were looking at a young tag team of a young African-American gentleman. Cashflow is a, he has appeared on AEW according to the wrestler's documentary, but he is a guy who is certainly towards the end of his career rather than the beginning.
00:30:45
Speaker
Oh, so he's a single guy. Well, they did have a name something. His name is Cash Flow, but FLO and their tag team name was something with cash. So I thought maybe maybe the OVW doc got him over enough to get a title match. No, this is Cash Flow. The S is a dollar sign, one word, and it's a tag team.
00:31:10
Speaker
It's Ken Broadway and Encore Moore. Both of you guys are, that's the other thing. It's like, because we know the wrestlers is about OVW. These guys are both very much like New York guys. They've been around the New York air. I mean, Encore is a younger of the two, but they've both been around a bit. So. No, you get that different, different people, but I would have been very excited if Cashflow had seen a little bump in his, cause he seemed like a sweet man.
00:31:41
Speaker
I gotta watch the wrestlers. A friend of mine who's not a regular wrestling watcher messes me and was like, you gotta see the wrestlers. I was like, okay. Did you see that Netflix doc cheer about the cheerleading teams?
00:31:56
Speaker
I think I did, so at least some of it. I did, I definitely didn't. It was quite good, and it's the same guy who directed that show, directed this wrestler show. So he's very good at making a docu-series like this, and man, it really felt like wrestling. I was getting worked by certain people where I'm like, this guy's a piece of shit, and then by the end I love him. He gets a full arc, you know?
00:32:22
Speaker
There's almost no wrestling documentaries I don't enjoy. Even if they're people I don't enjoy, there's always something I enjoy about them. Even some of the later Colt Cabana Road Diary ones, I enjoyed them in ways that were very different than the way I think Colt Cabana was intending them to be consumed.
00:32:45
Speaker
This one, I was curious from the first, I ended up binging it in like three days. I got very invested in this show. They are like our episodes. But in the first one is Al Snow describes OVW. He said, there's the big leagues. Like he's very grumpy and raspy now. I kind of love this version of Al Snow as well. Like there's,
00:33:09
Speaker
WWE and AEW, and then there's an undefined next tier, and that's what OVW is the top of. So we skip New Japan, we skip Impact, it's AEW, WWE.
00:33:24
Speaker
And then saying like also like OVW is top even over like GCW, right? And things like that that would be what we would consider to be the top of like the quote unquote true indies.
00:33:41
Speaker
The thing he said about it though that caught me very off guard that I don't even know if you guys knew this. Maybe you did, I don't know. That show, OVW has been live week to week for a long time. I did not know it was live. I knew that it had a show for a long time. I had no earthly idea it was live.
00:34:03
Speaker
Apparently they are the only other wrestling show besides those two that are weekly live. And that's why they put themselves on that third tier. Why? Like, I don't understand the expenses and production of television and wrestling, but like, as I understand it from the Monday Night War stuff, like there is a pretty substantial cost associated with going live. So why on earth?
00:34:30
Speaker
Would they go live for a show that I don't think any one of us can even watch? No, it's local access. One of the places that it airs according to the doc is a local Christian network. And apparently that's the highest rated show on that network. You're talking a Christian Cage network, right, where he picks up moms.
00:34:50
Speaker
He leaves personal ads. He personally pays for the network so that all the commercial breaks are just him on front of fireplaces, drinking wine, talking about the things he has to offer. Has your father deceased? Has your mother been unfucked?
00:35:08
Speaker
I thought that was really bizarre and that's a big tension in that show is that Al Snow is just like, we have a product to maintain and the people have, he's writing it all himself. And he's like, there's a quality to this. And the guy who bought it is a local sports radio guy and like a guy who I guess was the mayor of Louisville at some point.
00:35:30
Speaker
And they're just like, we're losing 10,000, or we're losing like 30 grand a month and we can't afford this. We need to make some changes. And Al Snow is very much no changes. We can't change anything. We just have to make it make more money. It's like, well, we have to change something. So they really make the owner of the company a heel, who is a guy that just really likes wrestling and is losing a crazy amount of money on something stupid. So he's,
00:35:58
Speaker
Like a poor man's Billy Corgan. Oh, yes. Billy Corgan, if he couldn't just do another tour every time they run out of NWA money. Oh, my God. That's right. He's any time they do something and fuck up a little too much money. He's like, we've always there's always money in the bullet with butterfly wings stand. Yeah. He's like, which band member did we not have last time we can bring back?
00:36:28
Speaker
You know the NWA is totally destroyed when Billy finally calls Darcy. He's finally like, okay, Darcy, I know I've called you a drug addict and we've said a lot of terrible things about each other in the press over the last 25 years. But, I don't know how to explain this. EC3 really went far with the pre-Monocta thing.
00:36:58
Speaker
in St. Louis and the legal bills are insane and we
00:37:05
Speaker
I'm going to need you to get back together for this tour. Where are we going? Everywhere. We're touring. We're touring the whole US. We're touring Canada. We're touring Mexico, Europe, Japan, Mongolia. If they liked the smashing pumpkins ever, we're playing there. And I think finally, if we do this, I'm going to break even on the NWA.
00:37:30
Speaker
And then she's like, okay, how much does it pay? And he explains like her cut and stuff like that. And he's like, oh wait, but one other thing, there will be a wrestling ring in the middle of the floor. And people didn't respond to when we did the wrestling before the show. So it's going to be during the show.
00:37:49
Speaker
Oh, fuck. That's actually not a bad idea. That's not a bad intention. That actually would be a great idea. Also, Darcy, in the places where I played the bass parts on the records, we're going to time it. You're going to manage a wrestler during that. So I'll just I'll just take care of your parts on stage and you just go manage.
00:38:12
Speaker
Aaron Stevens. I was gonna say Sandow, you know. You're gonna be in a heated confrontation with Violent J. Yes, from the insane clown posse. He's the manager of the Brothers of Funstruction. No, he is not going to be performing any music. That is not his role in this organization.
00:38:38
Speaker
He denied to do that, which would have just kind of a shame because it would have been a grump. It would have brought in a great deal of money for us. Well, that's actually even more than the Darcy thing, because you got to think Billy Corgan probably really hates new metal, right? Like that seems like something he would. Yeah. So like if if if he gets like limp biscuit to do a co-headliner tour, that's really when we know, OK, this is this is getting dire.
00:39:08
Speaker
So we've gone 40 minutes without answering the question. I really have most for you, Garrett. So yeah, I want to set the picture for you, dear listeners. Yeah. Last Saturday. Um, Bax is in Bhutan playing card games, having a beautiful day.
00:39:25
Speaker
Wonderful day. Wonderful day. Every day in Bhutan is wonderful to me. Any day in Bhutan is wonderful and beautiful.
Wrestling at the Pumpkin Patch Experience
00:39:32
Speaker
I'm in Washington, DC, our nation's capital, having a lovely seafood dinner and going to see one of my favorite musicians. And trying as hard as to not get the government to shut down. Chris was there. I was doing a little side work. It's okay. Everyone came together over some sad songs, and that's finally what brought everyone together.
00:39:55
Speaker
but Garrett sent facts and eye attacks. And it just said, hey guys, I'm in a pumpkin patch and I'm watching indie wrestling with a picture of two indescribable, I mean, indescribable in the sense I had no idea who they were, just men just rolling around a ring basically, but clearly in a pumpkin patch. So- Did you see the donkey in the background of the photo? Oh my God, I think I missed the donkey.
00:40:24
Speaker
There was a donkey show after the match. So Garrett, tell us about that. Yeah. So it was my dad's 71st birthday. We all met up at my sister's house in Austin. And my sister said she had a big surprise for all of us. She said she found something that everyone could enjoy. All the members of the family. Which, by the way, I got to imagine your family is that's just code for there's something for Garrett.
00:40:56
Speaker
He's going to get fussy if we don't have something. When I hear that there's something for everyone, I have a feeling I know what that means. Adam, you're right. It does feel catered to me. It doesn't mean perressing, but it means that there's at least a chance of a beefy man striking another man. Or titillation in a sexual thriller format, which seems less fully family friendly.
00:41:26
Speaker
This is the pumpkin patch and over here's the little broken glass corner where a man is doing some abstract art painting photos with his blood. It is so fucking hot. We drive somewhere outside of Austin, very small town. We pull up, it's a pumpkin patch. And my sister looks at her watch and she said, there's something for you at about 15 minutes.
00:41:53
Speaker
And she said every hour on the hour. And I was like, there is certainly going to be a wrestling ring inside of this pumpkin patch, isn't there? She's like, I'm not saying. But I'm your sister and I love you, Garrett. So yes, this is. So there's all these carnival rides that are human powered.
00:42:18
Speaker
What? Like there's a ride that is like a tilt-a-whirl, but it's a singular vehicle and it's shaped like a pumpkin and a man has to stand on the outside and spin it. By the way, this sounds like the perfect setting for Beastman to just exist. Children, come ride the Beastman.
00:42:47
Speaker
Thought he was wrestling, but he's giving piggyback rockets. We booked you for an hour, guy. Get going. What about my manager? He can make the lemonade. Did the guy who throws, who threw the pumpkin thing wrestle, too? No, so the employees of this weren't all wrestlers. This was...
00:43:14
Speaker
So there is a, let me set this in state. You walk into this place and it is like, it is a pumpkin patch. There are a lot of pumpkins and they're set up in piles. There's a pumpkin maze. The pumpkin aspect of this was the nicest part of the event. Other than it is a hundred degrees in Texas in the middle of an unshaded field.
00:43:38
Speaker
Which when I think of pumpkins and fall and pumpkin patches, I think 100 degrees in Texas. There's nothing like just being drenched in sweat holding a pumpkin.
00:43:52
Speaker
And okay, there was wrestling every hour on the hour, which coincided on the opposite side of the field. There was a tent. So I think it was getting more business where a man did magic every hour on the hour. So we really had all the carnies in the field. Were there pumpkin donuts? That's what I want to know. You are.
00:44:16
Speaker
overestimating the food situation at the pumpkin patch. I was told there was going to be food trucks. I get excited when I hear food trucks. When I immediately saw the food trucks, the guy I bought a lemonade from, when I realized he also probably made the lemonade, he looks like the guy who would maybe sweep the glass at an ICW show. Oh dear.
00:44:43
Speaker
and it was a very bad lemonade. I didn't end up getting any food after that, and I did not finish my lemonade. So that was my- Because you were worried that it was gonna be an American cheeseburger. And by that, I mean covered in glass and Jimmy Lloyd sweat. It certainly was that situation. So like I said, pumpkin patch was great. The pumpkin situation, I think it'd be hard to beat their pumpkin game.
00:45:14
Speaker
But then I see the ring in the top corner of the place, and it's like, all right, I guess it's time for Ozzy. You wait here. Ozzy, who has never been in this kind of heat before, is like, what are we doing? This sucks. I was like, you stay with Grandpa in the shade. I'm gonna go over to this wrestling ring, where there were 15 small children and their parents around it, kind of.
00:45:42
Speaker
It looked like where they were getting changed was inside of a donkey barn. I couldn't see the name of the company because the ring apron was a little askew, but I think it was most likely a wrestling school.
00:45:58
Speaker
Okay, that makes sense. Safe bet, yeah. And wrestling every hour on the hour means one match every hour on the hour, like a grandfather clock. The bell dings and two men grapple. This match was between a guy named the King Cobra exotic
00:46:22
Speaker
Something, something. I don't remember, but here is this. I just sent you a link in the chat to his pro wrestling tease page. The Joe Exotic fan. He loves Jay White and Joe Exotic. The King Cobra Exotic is like one too many words.
00:46:43
Speaker
Like you can be the King Cobra or you could be exotic. I don't know if you can be the King Cobra exotic. Well, he's represented out of the Black and Brave Wrestling Academy in Texas. That's what it says right there. I think Black and Brave, that might be, I believe that might be Seth Rollins' school.
00:47:05
Speaker
Really? Is Rollins located out of Texas? I didn't think it was in Iowa. Yeah, that's what I thought. Maybe it's a different name. I also, by the way, I really like that in his pro wrestling tease, he has shirts in price range from twenty five dollars to fifteen ninety nine. So if you want to support King Cobra. Oh, no, it's his professional wrestler trained out of the Black and Brave. Yeah. And is currently wrestling in Texas. So I think that's. But yeah, I just I just googled it. Black and Brave is in Davenport, Iowa.
00:47:36
Speaker
Yeah. So it was this guy who, by the way, I'm sorry, on, on the, the questions and answers on the Google like places thing on Google maps. The first one I just, oh, this is for black and blue versus academy is, is it helpful to join WWE? Question mark, question mark answer. Yes. Period. In what way? No explanation given.
00:48:03
Speaker
Well, I mean, you need to be a trained wrestler to join WWE. So it's at the very least, it qualifies in that way. Right. Or a cross crossover YouTube star and or hip hop. Right. You could try to do that, but I feel like joining the Black and Brave Wrestling Academy is probably a faster path. Yeah. Or at least a more consistent path.
00:48:30
Speaker
Yeah, percentage-wise, yeah, much, much greater percentage of WWE's roster has gone to wrestling school, yes. Yes. So who's who's he wrestling, Garrett? He's wrestling Chamberlain, which I just mono-named as far as I could tell. I don't know that I could...
00:48:52
Speaker
He didn't have a distinct enough name for me to search him, but I do like that he named himself after, you know, an all-time master coxman. That's a good name to choose. He kind of had the vibe of a Rob Zombie movie extra. He was the heel. They ended up going, I would guess about seven minutes.
00:49:18
Speaker
And the match opened with a lot of headlocks, a lot of headlocks. And I've never seen the heel, cause there was no noise because it's a hundred degrees in the middle of a pumpkin badge and no shade. We're all very hot. Cheering is the last thing on our mind right now. That ring had to have been brutally hot to be on. And the heel had to keep turning and being like, you guys better not clap for the good guy.
00:49:50
Speaker
You better not do this. Well, it's like the perfect training thing, though, to rest because that's like it's like the basis form of pro wrestling is like there are children and they are going to cheer for good and against the bad. And you just kind of like it's kind of fun to see sometimes that baseline of what wrestling is, which has been sort of distorted by all of the things that we love so much like Zach Sabre Jr. against Brian Danielson.
00:50:17
Speaker
It really was like, this is the equivalent of an open mic in front of three people for a pro wrestler where they'd spent their afternoon in a pumpkin patch and a donkey watched the match, which I was very, very amused by. So did Chamberlain go full mooda or was the bleeding a little less or just what was? No blood, no profanity, plenty of donkey. Honestly, like my brother-in-law was like, so,
00:50:47
Speaker
where does this rate amongst the things you've seen? And I said, to be perfectly honest, this is not even close to the worst thing I've ever seen in a wrestling ring. So, you know, this is what I appreciate that my sister tried, you know, she gave me a little something.
00:51:05
Speaker
You got to see some live wrestling. That's always a nice thing, you know? Yeah. Yeah. I'm never going to be mad if I'm going to, if there's a pumpkin patch and I can choose for there to be one match on the hour every hour or a zero matches, I'm going to go with a match. Did you stay, did you stay for this a second match or was it just the one? It was too fucking hot. Basically everybody tapped out after an hour. But so Ozzy didn't get to see his first live wrestling match. He stayed in the shade.
00:51:32
Speaker
Oh, yeah, that was too far away from the shade and he was he was too hot. So so I want to just speak here directly to people promoting events and pumpkin patches to the future. OK, so in terms of an experience to get some like wrestling Academy people some lifetime, that's great. But if you actually want to entertain the people, bad wrestling, isn't it? Instead, get some slap fighters in there.
00:51:59
Speaker
Right. Cause I got to imagine even low indie level entry level slop fighting might even be more entertaining than the, than the pros. That's probably true. Have them go spend the rides after they're done. That's all they're qualified to do after that. They probably are. They're probably already spinning the rides. That's what, that's what their job is. You could just ask them.
00:52:23
Speaker
The only problem is that if one gets badly concussed, they may not be able to go back to their job. So you need to hire a couple of extra people, but I think it evens out. There's no OSHA in a pumpkin patch. There's no concussion protocol before you go back to letting him pet the donkey. Well, that's where Mox needs to wrestle then, a place with truly no rules.
00:52:50
Speaker
Yeah, I will say I I had an experience there like this once Garrett I so I went to college in suburban Philadelphia and We're sort of at the edge of our campus. There were these like apartments that were student housing when I was there and On the walk from there to the the train station there was this
00:53:14
Speaker
Playground, basically. There were like a playground park, a small park, right? There was like tennis courts, basketball courts, stuff like that and other things that would be, I think it was attached to a school, although I can't really remember. So one time I'm visiting some friends who were staying in the student apartments in the summer, right? I've come down from New York. I get off the train, I got my bag, I'm walking and walking and I hear like a little bit of a commotion and I'm like, what's that? And I'm passing this park
00:53:44
Speaker
And it's on like, on the tennis court, I see a wrestling ring and I'm like, well, that's okay. Well, okay. What's going on? Um, this, this is, this is interesting. It's like when a dog sees a tennis ball just in the street. So in the ring is one person I do not recognize and one person I do recognize.
00:54:13
Speaker
And the person I do recognize is the rock and rebel. Okay. And he's just, he's like yelling at children. There's very energetic children and he's like, yo, Hey, I hate children. You know, and then just being the mediocre, the very mediocre heel that rock and rebel is, but getting so over because, and it was a kind of a beautiful thing. I think about it sometimes when I think about like the, that baseline form of wrestling.
00:54:43
Speaker
And unfortunately now I also think about how children should boo the Rock and Rebel. He's a terrible person. Particularly his own children, I assume would boo the Rock and Rebel very, very strongly. Put it this way, his shirt's in a box in the garage. Yeah, if there are any Rock and Rebel shirts that haven't been burned, they are in a box in the garage.
00:55:10
Speaker
I never owned a Rock and Rebel, I can't imagine how many people did own a, that's one of the things about, I don't know how many people owned Rock and Rebel shirts. And if you haven't, if you don't know what Rock and Rebel did to make this, other than him being kind of a shitty person for many, many years, just Google him. We really could spend another 20 minutes discussing this and I kind of don't want to, but you could Google that.
00:55:36
Speaker
But yeah, I just I kind of loved the experience and I watched the one match and I left there might have been more wrestling but I did. This is pre this is like 2004 so I didn't have like texting to be like, sorry friends, I'm going to be an hour late. I've got wrestling matches to watch. So I didn't want my friends to be concerned. So I went and I went and met up with my pals.
00:56:00
Speaker
That's, it's unfortunate, right? Cause again, if it was just now, I would just be like, Hey guys, gonna be a while. Not sure how long, not sure how long this wrestling show is. I'll be three blocks away. If you just kind of want to come say hi, I'm going to be here.
00:56:15
Speaker
Yeah. There's no one enforcing open container, you know, you can get three blocks. So by the way, thinking through, we've got no one enforced any open container at Haverford. Let's be really clear about that. Speaking as someone who was the chairman of the joint student administration alcohol policy panel.
00:56:31
Speaker
So between that story, we got pumpkin patch, you know, we, we've obviously have a grand history of Appalachian wrestling and BW three parking lots. I'm thinking of a new business venture for us. Okay. Is we launch our own version of like. Chuckie cheese, but instead of it being like they play in a band and there's video games, it's, it's wrestling and there's no animatronics. We're going to hire some real methods to be our.
00:57:00
Speaker
Our wrestlers and I think it'll work. I think it'll entertain the kids, right? Because video games these days can't be that exciting for kids. They're like mom and dad's phones have games on them. Like pro wrestling. That's what we need in our children's birthday party restaurants.
00:57:17
Speaker
I'm pretty sure facts you're pitching that triple A like dinner theater thing in Mexico, but just with less like a slightly lower production
Creative Wrestling Concepts
00:57:26
Speaker
values. I think triple A is losing money because the production values are too high. They're spending too much money. Whereas we bring out snow and he won't bring the cost down. Yeah, we just we just hook up with like the monster factory or something. They've got to have a state be like, listen, we will pay, you know, two of your trainees
00:57:47
Speaker
you know, 12 bucks an hour or whatever, we have to pay them and they're going to wrestle in front of children. Six hours and so low to how to bus tables as well. I've actually, I think I've got the, I think I've got the perfect place facts. I think we bring this to Bhutan. Yeah. Right. If you could, if you could have like, there's got to be some space in Bhutan, maybe even see even at the VFW or something where you can put a larger kind of like restaurant.
00:58:12
Speaker
and you just have, you have some, maybe you have some video games, some children's games, but also it's just- Well, they have the bowling alley, right? Oh, exactly. The downstairs. They haven't, they're clearly not using the downstairs. They've got that massive game store right next to her that I go to all the time. Tons of games there for kids.
00:58:31
Speaker
So you're looking for something between AAA's restaurant in Mexico and American cheeseburger in Rochester. Exactly. And to be fair, much closer to American cheeseburger. Right. Much closer. Just no glass in the food. Right. Right. Guaranteed. No glass in the food.
00:58:51
Speaker
If there's glass in the food, we'll remake that for you. It is. Or no, like we make a promise to be like, listen, if you find glass in your food, don't worry. That means Mox is going to be here today. Right. That's actually it's a it's a big surprise. You get the glass. That means it's a big day. It's a golden ticket. Exactly. When we see the blood coming through your teeth, you're the golden ticket winner. I think this is
00:59:22
Speaker
I think we know Jimmy Fax's next birthday party. Yeah. I think we know Jimmy Lloyd's next job. I don't know if Jimmy Lloyd has the level of work ethic I'm looking for in my employees. Oh shit. Wait, but everyone at the nightmare factory does. Yeah. Cause they're still hungry for it.
00:59:48
Speaker
See Jimmy Lloyd is just regular hungry. He's just he's just hungry for nicotine. You know, I found a cigarette in my french fries. Why is it fried? Can you imagine just like Jimmy Lloyd wrestling in front of some kids and then just like putting on a hair net just go in the back to work the fryer.
01:00:17
Speaker
just working the conveyor belt pizza thing. Like they have a Domino's. So we talk about him a lot. Do you think if he listened to every episode, he would be sad about this show? Like if I found out there was a podcast that talked about me as much as we talk about him, I would probably be a little depressed about it. I'm saying we should look at ourselves. I don't know.
01:00:46
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, they're on one hand, there is the aspect of being a public figure. And when you're trying to be a pro wrestler on TV, you're very intentionally trying to be that. So I definitely don't feel bad if he does feel that way. But I could understand if he does. However, we also give him more promotion than any other
01:01:14
Speaker
wrestling medium in the world. And I have no doubt all of our regular listeners, including the mystery listeners in Spain have watched some Jimmy Lloyd matches this year. Yeah.
01:01:27
Speaker
And smile a little bit more than usual. Yeah, exactly. I also feel like we're working off the image, the public image that he projects, both in the ring and when he's smoking outside of venues. I feel like we're just embellishing and bringing that further up.
01:01:46
Speaker
And I think we're honestly, we're doing him a service. I feel like we're filling in some backstory that GCW doesn't let Jimmy fill in with promos or anything like that, you know? We're trying to get him over that hump, right? Cause Jimmy Lloyd for a while has been kind of as high as he's going to go in GCW. So we're trying to provide that narrative to make him into the next, to make him into the Brian Daniel, Daniel Bryan of GCW.
01:02:15
Speaker
I mean, he is, he's the heart and soul. He's the heart and soul, but we're just taking it forward. What you got, Chris, you looking at you, Google and Jimmy Lloyd promos? Yes. Can't find any. Yeah, I mean, I think, is there anything we're missing from Wrestle Dream? I will say Wrestle Dream was a great show. I feel like we're under talking about what was a really legitimately awesome show.
01:02:45
Speaker
Yeah, well, and all the shit like like I talked about before, like the fact that we've had like four PPV or PPV level shows in like a little over a month is kind of I'm kind of grumbling about it, but it's also like they've all been good. So I just think we need the pacing is better. So hopefully it sounds like there's going to be this new pay per view introduced in New York. You know, me and Chris are obviously very excited to find out more about that and go.
01:03:11
Speaker
but i think i'm hoping next year they can just be a little bit better at spacing these out where it's like
01:03:18
Speaker
There's just too much going on all at once. And then there's just and the bigger thing is because I think, you know, we are zombies. So we're just like, honestly, 40 bucks or 50 bucks for more wrestling. Like it's just an auto buy. Like this is how I prioritize my finances. But but it's more on the other side of what we have three months without a pay per view. And it's like, oh, God.
01:03:43
Speaker
It just keeps going and going. So that's more the side of like, I hope they spread these things out. And I don't know if Wrestle Dream was a one off or if this is going to be an annual thing. Apparently annual is the idea here. So how many are we working towards? Like, I mean, I remember Warner Brothers saying they wanted more paper views and it sounded like they wanted 12 a year. Well, they already added three, right? I mean,
01:04:10
Speaker
between forbidden door, well, I guess forbidden door already count, but like they've already added two. I think the one question I have is with that is, does ROH count? And if so, are they going to continue to be ROH? If not, are they going to continue to be ROH paper views? Cause that's three that were sort of in the pot, but you know, that's different.
01:04:31
Speaker
I would think Warner Brothers probably isn't counting ROH, but at the same point, they could also rebrand those as AEW, right? It's not like the execs are like, no, no, no, that's death before dishonor was a ring of honor paper. You can't just call it AEW now.
01:04:45
Speaker
Um, but you kind of still need to do those shows. Otherwise, like, why do you have ROH titles and stuff like that? Like, it just doesn't really make sense if there's literally no shows that are important on honor club, though, you could just be like, look, this is once a month, you get a show on honor club. That's not just AW dark called ROH. You get a real show. People might pay 10 bucks a month for that.
01:05:13
Speaker
Yeah. And I think like as I went to that show in Trenton, like I would still go to a big show. Yeah. Right. Like that I might not necessarily order on pay per view or I wouldn't pre-order on pay per view. Right. Like if until somebody told me there's a really good match. I don't think the number is going to be a problem. I think it's just like Warner Brothers is like, you know, we wouldn't we wouldn't hate like if you want this, you know, max deal, you know, we wouldn't hate one pay per view a month. And Tony Khan's like,
01:05:41
Speaker
12 in a year? How about I give you 12 in September?
01:05:47
Speaker
Yeah, because that's the I feel like the weirdest thing here is the all in all out thing, which unless you turn all out into like King of the Ring or something like that, it doesn't make any sense. And if they're continuing to do Wrestle Dream around the Anoki timing, that means and they're going to keep doing Grand Slam when it is because that's when the US Open ends. So you're now in a point where you have four things that are all tied to this time of year.
01:06:12
Speaker
Which, and I understand that Grand Slam isn't a pay-per-view, but like Grand Slam is bigger than some pay-per-views. So like, and I would love for that to continue. And we already have full gear was already announced and being promoted prior to Wrestle Dream even existing. Right. Right. Well, that's and they did. So that is, again, six weeks. That's six weeks, at least away, which is, I think, a decent sort of distance to build up to that. So.
01:06:42
Speaker
Well, the monthly paper views, like they have enough of a roster that I actually am not concerned because like, again, even like when I was watching WWE in and I'm not even talking like attitude error when that's a whole different animal, but even in like the post pipe bomb era when I was really enjoying WWE, I really wasn't watching even back then Ron Smackdown that religiously. But the monthly when you have a big roster and you have two shows defeated monthly paper views is fine.
01:07:10
Speaker
Yeah, as long as you don't start saying like MJF has to defend the title in the main event of every single one, right? I think that that's where which I'm not worried about them doing like just Darby just main event, you know, the TNT title main event at one, the international title main event at one, like that's fine.
01:07:28
Speaker
And actually, interestingly, they've got a main event for Full Gear six weeks out, which is something they never, even when Full Gear was like three months between, now we've already got a main event, which is, if anyone hasn't seen that, it's MJF against Switchblade. Which I thought they were gonna announce, I thought he was gonna be like, next week for title Tuesday. But he's like, no, six weeks from now, and we're gonna talk about this for six full weeks.
01:07:54
Speaker
Because it's like they know that some of us smarts, we went through the thing where like we remember like, okay, Tana Hashi takes the belt from, from Kenny. And then we're like, Oh, that first pay per view is him and Jay White. And we're just kind of like, okay, like, I guess that's an opponent for his first title defense. And then like, we were just shocked. And now we're all thinking they know that he has six weeks to raise the anxiety of like, they wouldn't,
01:08:22
Speaker
finally take the belt off MJF now that he's like peaking against Shay White, would they? And then you're like, but that's kind of what Jay White always does, right? He takes these belts away from guys that you just don't think should be losing the belt yet. And especially and against baby faces, right? Because that is one thing I've been thinking about. Like if they're really going to go
01:08:47
Speaker
all the way with his MJF thing, he needs to be chasing a title, right? He can't be carrying the title. Well, we've got this masked guy too. Right. That could end up being a thing that comes and takes out MJF to like, so there's a fuck finished where he loses. So we don't know who, I mean, is there anyone
01:09:09
Speaker
coming back or new. I mean, Dolph Ziggler's the only person I can think of that's just like out there that could potentially come to AEW.
01:09:20
Speaker
And don't. No, let's not think that. I mean, let's let's not put again the Nemeth Brothers challenging for the ROH tag team titles. Go for it. Not him. But not on one of the big ROH shows, just on the dark show. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just it's like a main event at like 1245 at night after Dynamite. You're just like, I guess we're still doing this, you know. Yeah. I think and look, the Bang Bang Gang is over.
01:09:47
Speaker
Um, well, do we know what the great colleagues contract status is? Oh, my God. Did you guys maybe this was what I was going to bring up. Did you see the great Kali in that kitchen cooking food and just throwing fire all over the place? I did that. Oh, my God, guys, I was fucking crying and played that video. This is from like last week.
01:10:10
Speaker
This is something we miss. Is this like a kitchen nightmares thing? Like, Greg Colley runs a restaurant? He's definitely in a professional restaurant. He's got something in a pan and he's trying to flip it. And it just throws fire everywhere and he drops the pan on the ground and laughs.
01:10:27
Speaker
I see both of them quickly Google searching. By the way, and here's the big, when you just, I just Google searched great Kali cooking and there is a surprising amount of different videos. Yeah. I might've been, it was on his own Instagram that I saw. I think I found the one, I think I found the one. Great Kali's cooking attempt takes a dangerous turn.
01:10:55
Speaker
Is the headline in the end times. I have the Indian. Oh, it's really his first penned Instagram post. Yeah. Yeah. My headline is the great Cali tries cooking in his Daba's kitchen almost burns down the whole place. I like it. He's just like, there's a lot of fire and he's just like, whatever.
01:11:20
Speaker
This video has 4.1 million likes. That's why it says penned video. He's like Masada. This is an XPW show. Is Great Khali going to be the XPW champion next week? Is that a thing? Could be. Great Khali just comes out with a frying pan that's on fire. And he just throws it at Schlack. And Schlack's like, ugh. And he pinned Schlack. He's the champion now.
01:11:49
Speaker
I just see Rob Black calling him and being like, listen, are you one of those Indians that don't eat cheeseburgers? Colleagues like he just kept saying top us, top us. What the hell is topless?
01:12:07
Speaker
Are you open to a double contract, wrestling and pornography? Oh, triple contract, cooking cheeseburgers at American Cheeseburger, because you're the best chef I've ever seen. So you what? If your religion doesn't let you eat the cheeseburger, how do you feel about coming on one?
01:12:29
Speaker
We can sell the Cali Cumburger for 30 bucks a smack. And the amount of fire you use, charge it right off. There's enough there for the flavor, but... Or there isn't. I don't know. I'm not actually... I actually shouldn't be running a restaurant. I don't understand this stuff. I should be in jail. I don't know how I'm not.
01:12:54
Speaker
I imagine that his entire daily hour-long podcast is just him being like, I don't know how I'm not in jail right now. I'm a menace to society. I'm very dangerous in so many different ways. I guess the feds don't listen to this. I tried cutting myself. It wasn't getting the job done. I started cutting other people while they sleep.
01:13:24
Speaker
I tried to kill Dilfboy, and he thought that this was part of the show. And I'm like, Dilfboy, I'm actually trying to murder you. Turn me in. And he's like, no, no. It got me bookings. Yeah, now I got to book the guy. I feel bad about it. I changed the name of the restaurant to American Death Poison a month ago, and no one's noticed. Business just keeps going up.
01:13:52
Speaker
The reviews are great. Gordon Ramsey said, no notes. What is wrong with this world? It makes, I make me want to be a better man. Oh shit. Uh, not to get, I thought of what I needed to bring up. So are either of you familiar with the podcast, uh, kill Tony?
01:14:20
Speaker
No, I am not. It's a very big podcast. It's basically all the comedians that were in Los Angeles that when they were told they couldn't stop saying slurs, they were like, well, I'm gonna just move to Texas and keep saying my slurs. Oh, someone was telling me about this actually recently. Yeah, okay. So the show, it's very offensive, but essentially it's an open mic comedy show.
01:14:46
Speaker
And it gets like millions of downloads a week. It's a huge show.
Ric Flair's Podcast Antics
01:14:51
Speaker
But somebody comes up, does 60 seconds of uninterrupted open mic comedy, and a table of comedians, if they're good, we'll tell them it's good and interview them. And if it's bad, we'll sit there and tear this person apart. They brought Ric Flair on as one of the panelists.
01:15:09
Speaker
Ric Flair came out and was so fucking drunk. Like so drunk already. And just kind of rambling about nothing. But then when they brought the comedians out and started making fun of these open mic guys, Ric Flair after the first comedian threatened to leave because Ric Flair doesn't make fun of anybody. That's not what Ric Flair does.
01:15:34
Speaker
And I have a hard time to leave it. Yeah. Right. Ric Flair instead just like Rufy's people. Yeah. They're in on the joke once they're under the effects of the alcohol they didn't know was in their drink. He's got a line that he doesn't cross and that is making fun of an open mic comedian. I'll swing my dick at that guy, but God forbid I say a negative word about it.
01:16:00
Speaker
After the second comedian and they're interviewing him, they find out that he is, he was really bad. Like most of the comedians on the show are quite bad and deserve to be made fun of. And this guy, it came out that he was a like college or a high school wrestling coach.
01:16:20
Speaker
And Rick Flair, after they were making fun of the guy, stands up and goes, I'm sorry, everybody. I appreciate you bringing me here, but I just can't make fun of somebody who donates their time. And it was so awkward. It was so awkward listening to a man who, and the host of the show is like, yeah, I may have explained to him what this show was about seven beers too late.
01:16:47
Speaker
Yeah, like, and these presumably even these bad comedians, this is a ton of exposure for them, right? Like, and they, they do exactly what they're getting into. It's not like, Oh, I blindfolded my friend, brought them here and they think it's a dating show. Like, you know,
01:17:04
Speaker
You go there knowing you're either going to possibly get famous from a show that a lot of eyes are on, or you're just gonna get brutally made fun of. And they let that guy know, you're forever gonna be the comedian that was on stage when Ric Flair walked off. He's like, that's pretty good. I'm actually, that's pretty nice. What's his name, Garrett? Oh, I don't know. I was more...
01:17:33
Speaker
I just can't stop thinking of Ric Flair with tears in his eyes saying, I'll never make fun to somebody who donates their time. I just can't do it. I appreciate you bringing me out here. I respect you all. He's just so fucked up as he's doing it. Like this man was in the hospital earlier this year. Yeah. We, aren't we about two for someone trying to kill him in a wrestling ring again? Yeah. If he can get this drunk on a podcast, he's definitely good to wrestle. Yeah.
01:18:04
Speaker
We got to get him engaged eventually. Right. It just only seems right. So wait a minute. Wait a minute. So I don't know what is an interview came out about a year ago, maybe a little over a year ago when Sting said he had what his last match was going to be. He's not telling anyone yet, but he already he doesn't know exactly when it's going to be, but he knows what it's going to be. I think Sting, you know, if you see what he's been doing with all these spots, Sting wants to murder suicide.
01:18:34
Speaker
With Rick Flair inside a steel cage, maybe a war games cage, murder, suicide through stinger death drop.
Speculations on Sting's Last Match
01:18:47
Speaker
That's. You know. And I think that's how Flair would want to go. I've heard you say much less plausible things, facts. This is all checks out. I thought you were going for a joke here, facts, but this just sounds very reasonable and probably what is intended.
01:19:03
Speaker
Conrad listens to the show, you know. You just booked in the main event. The Blue Chew people were just like, we're going to really need to up our marketing budget next quarter. We got to make sure no other sponsors get in on Conrad's next show. You can still get free samples of Blue Chew, right? I think so. Probably.
01:19:29
Speaker
Well, facts, I think you should get a free sample of blue chew. Watch that, Danielson Sabre Jr. match and see if you burst before Nigel. So what I should do is get get some of the blue, get some of the blue to take that, throw down a flow max. Right.
Ghosts, Europe, and Pop Culture Jokes
01:19:49
Speaker
See what that combination is, is if I just have an earth shaking thing that just nothing comes out.
01:19:58
Speaker
This is gonna be a big spray of dust. You're like, what was it? It was the soul leaving my body. Just you're gonna be in Europe, Garrett, like a couple of days from now and you're just gonna turn on like, you know, you're just gonna be in a cafe having a little espresso. Somebody's gonna be, you're gonna hear a woman scream and drop a newspaper and you're gonna see it's basically what happens when the mayor's office turns off where they keep the ghosts and ghostbusters. And then they all,
01:20:25
Speaker
That's going to have happened. And they're like, but it didn't come from Manhattan. It came from New Jersey just across the way. Literally, that's what the Flowmax and all of the ghosts shoot out of me.
01:20:38
Speaker
I was literally getting ready to say it's gonna be, I'm gonna turn on the TV, see you on your back with just the ghosts leaving the ghost trap. Out of my penis hole. Out of your penis, as Rick, as Bill Murray and Dan Aykroyd are just trying not to cross streams. I am the key master. Bader.
01:21:05
Speaker
and it's just Nick Gage and Jimmy Lloyd trying to fight the ghosts. It's going through him. Jimmy Lloyd just has a pipe and he's trying to see if he can smoke the ghosts.
Closing Thoughts and Future Plans
01:21:19
Speaker
It's Slimer and Jimmy Lloyd assaulting a hot dog stand.
01:21:34
Speaker
Oh, I don't know if I can. I think that tapped me out. I don't know. Yeah, I need to go to I need a cigarette and a nap after that. And a waffle probably. Yeah. All right. That's a quit smoking a while ago. So yeah, I think waffles probably better for me. You know, the multiple cancers, whatever the doctor prescribed.
01:22:03
Speaker
My Dr. Yankum was pretty open with what I'm allowed to take, as long as it has heavy barbiturates in it. He also told me I needed more guns. I thought he meant iron, but he literally meant ARs. He said to keep them loaded. That's the only way to be safe. If the cancer comes back into my house, I can defend myself. It didn't really make a lot of sense.
01:22:34
Speaker
Uh, take two flow max and call me in the morning. All right, everybody. Thanks for tuning in this week. This was fun. We were off a week. It feels, uh, sad in my heart when I don't get to talk to you boys. Yeah. It's good to be back. Yeah.
01:22:49
Speaker
Hopefully I can record with you guys while I'm in Italy. If not, I am there to edit them. Yeah. I mean, we'll, and if you can't, we'll have like the big, since we've missed all the other anniversary episodes, we'll do like the, the milestone fifth episode without Garrett. Yes. And we'll make a big production out of it.
01:23:13
Speaker
Do all things that I like. Obviously, you both have to be drinking a prime. Yeah. All right, everybody. Thanks for listening this week at Predetermined Podcast on Instagram at Chris Miggs, at Jimmy Fax, at Gartet. Anything else? Taylor goddamn music.