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Video Games and Choco Milk
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In this episode, we discuss the world view of adults playing video games and drinking chocolate milk! It's a good one.
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Introduction and New Co-Host
00:00:10
Speaker
Welcome to the mildly frustrating podcast the podcast for all things you guys do mildly frustrating. I'm here again with Nick the new co-host How you been good to be back it's been two weeks now, but hey, that's actually quite shorter than Usual I believe it's only been a week. It's only been a week. Yeah. I think was last Thursday
00:00:32
Speaker
Oh, wow. Yeah, a week ago, we talked about Taco Bell and how we're debating on the COVID vaccine. I already got my first dose, so I'm just waiting on my second one. But yeah, so nice to be back on a relatively normal schedule.
00:00:47
Speaker
have a relatively normal co-host, which I don't know how you take that information, but that's the best I got for you.
Is College Worth It?
00:00:57
Speaker
I figured we can open up with something that might be a little bit close to your heart with your girlfriend kind of living in this situation is the whole college issue going on right now. Colleges generally,
00:01:17
Speaker
been under fire for many reasons i mean it's always been an issue with is i mean the last like 15 years people have been realizing that it's not exactly worth it because you can i mean most of the jobs you know you come out of college without with a college degree but that won't exactly get you a job you just come out with debt oh yeah i mean definitely at least on that aspect i would say like
00:01:44
Speaker
A lot of careers you could get without a degree. But I would say there's definitely some careers like it depends on the field specifically hers in general. I could see a need for a degree because you'd want somebody to know what she is learning like what I've watched her like learn.
00:02:05
Speaker
You'd probably need to know a lot of that stuff before getting into her career, which is she's trying to be an interior design. So you're going to have to know the ins and outs and why you design things the way that you design them. Um, so I would imagine, I mean, you could possibly go, especially if you have an act or an eye for it, you could probably get yourself somewhere.
00:02:28
Speaker
and maybe go based off of just experience alone, but I would imagine for the most part, somebody wants to know that you have a certificate and that, but like say something in IT or something like that, like you can go off of experience. You can get in somewhere if you find the right spot, you can go there, start from the ground up and then
00:02:52
Speaker
With that specific one, I mean, you can get your certificates, but they would just want to know that you can do the job. And if you can prove that, then though, you know, it's easier to do it that way than say something like interior design. So I could see some jobs being easier to do that without careers, but I would say right now, yeah.
The Cost of Online Learning
00:03:14
Speaker
Cause everything is online learning. Like some, some people are paying like 2,500 a year or not a year, but for a semester for online learning. And like say right now, I'd imagine like my girlfriends, like her tuition is still like the full price for ECU and she's doing online learning and she's not getting too much help either. So it's just kind of like.
00:03:54
Speaker
You know, I'm not saying that all college degrees are stupid, you know, like businesses, you know, good one. There's, there's definitely the areas. I mean, you have to go to med school. There are certain things that you definitely need to go and should go. Definitely. Yeah, exactly. But there's certain things. I mean, the, the common consensus, like, you know, a while ago, the previous generation was,
00:04:06
Speaker
not worth it at that point.
00:04:18
Speaker
That you essentially have to go to college to get a decent job and that's just not the case. So, you know, I was I've run across a couple of people and talked about that and that's a it's a really frustrating part of society is that they come out of college with.
00:04:34
Speaker
a bunch of debt and not much closer to a job than where they started. I mean, they have some more base knowledge, but they don't necessarily, you know, have any ends anywhere. So it can be definitely difficult, especially like you said with the monetary. I mean, COVID really flipped everything on its head with trying to pay for things. And, you know, you're not doing in-person learning, which is really not worth the money. And
00:05:00
Speaker
I think you said last time they should cut tuition in half for, or you know, they should do some kind of- They should definitely do some sort of compensation. Especially for like those like during the COVID that couldn't be in dorms or anything like that. Like the unspoken benefits of being in the classroom and when you're having an issue you just like raise your hand or you talk and like speak up or you meet the professor after class or whatever.
00:05:29
Speaker
like you get that option when you're having a when you're having an issue or you know anything like that and you can get on-site assistance where what I've seen is like my girlfriend she's emailed and asked for assistance
00:05:46
Speaker
And either they take forever to respond and like she's still, I mean, this is a timed project. She's trying to get it done and she's, you know, figuring and trying to figure it out. So, I mean, there's that and then there's also like.
00:06:02
Speaker
Sometimes the best answer that they give her is just like look it up or go to this website and look up the steps and just follow that. And when she does the exact steps on that computer and like when she's having issues, I go into it and I make sure that all the exact steps are done.
00:06:22
Speaker
they're they're all done correctly, but the computer itself is having an issue or you know for some reason it's just Like what's popping up on the screen there is not the same thing that pops up on her screen so maybe it's like outdated sources or you know something like that for maybe like
00:06:40
Speaker
Before the newest update that might have happened, it might have been from 2014. Yeah, that's where the in-person professor and people who know what they're doing come into play.
Challenges of Online Education
00:06:52
Speaker
There definitely should be some tiers as far as what you're paying for tuition.
00:06:56
Speaker
I mean, if you're taking online classes, then it doesn't make sense. I mean, you're not taking up the same resources and getting the same amount of, uh, you know, you're not getting the same amount of, you're not getting teach. So at least not to the same degree. You're not getting all, you're not getting the full band, especially since it's like a new development and they're totally not prepared for online learning. Like it's, it's.
00:07:26
Speaker
It's kind of cruel to try to charge people the same amount for something that's really just on your part, faulty. Like you're not handling it correct. You're not making sure that the professors are doing their job because at this point, from my perspective, the professors are doing them minimal that they can because they're just saying like they're just handing off their real work to a webpage.
00:08:02
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the the the
00:08:21
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I mean, fine. By all means, take that into... but also still take that into consideration. I mean, you're not... you can't do the best job. So why are you still charging for the best job? Like why are you still like charging people that are also still trying to save money because some of their parents have also lost their jobs. They can no longer support what they were doing currently.
00:08:47
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And, I mean, ECU isn't the top tier like college, but I mean, you know, it's not a cheap college, but it's not the top tier. So, I mean, some of the parents that are paying for the college tuition, I mean, fortunately, my girlfriend has very, you know, her parents are doing just fine.
00:09:16
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But I would imagine, and I've seen some of the people around this area, like I can see where the poverty line, there's people that can barely afford the college as is. So if they lost their job, it's no bueno.
00:09:35
Speaker
And on top of that, they're still charging the regular amount. I mean, that's ridiculous. I mean, their kid is no longer being able to beef at food. I mean, now everything's starting to come up because everybody's getting vaccinated and things are starting to open up again. But I mean, this has been a long time coming. I mean, this is still in effect today. I mean, from nine months ago, you know, this is long-term effects.
00:10:02
Speaker
Yeah, so I mean and this is this is where it's gonna start hurting them the most because Everything's being lifted that also means evictions are being lifted and all that stuff. So It's about to get real Real sticky for some people. Well, what's funny is they're gonna come out the winners here at the colleges because now they're gonna be pushing on classes even where they're like Oh, hey look we can do this
00:10:26
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So they're going to be pushing online classes on top of their in-person classes, charging the same price. So they're going to like double their enrollment and making making double the money. It's going to be for all you conspiracists out there.
00:10:42
Speaker
was that a conspiracy no i'm saying because you know some of the conspiracy theories are probably like oh man the government like yeah develop just so the corporations could do that's true yeah code was was planned by duke university
00:11:02
Speaker
But I don't know. It's it's all really frustrating. And then my initial point was you never know what you're even going to come out with, which I've seen with a couple of people, even when you're in college, you're like, dude, what am I going to do when I get out of here? It's like I'm going to come out with like $50,000 worth of debt. And then what? Like, I don't even know where I'm going to work. I don't know what I want to do. Like you're not prepared for what college like there's like a whole bunch of stuff like the main issue is.
00:11:31
Speaker
It just seems like it's not ready. And as you predict, given the parameters of what's been going on recently, people are putting out things that really isn't ready quite just yet.
00:11:49
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I would imagine that, yeah, they're going to be like, yeah, we can do this, but they are going to, and they're going to try to charge full price where colleges have already done online learning for fraction of the price already. But of course, this is a university that's already well known. So of course, you know, maybe, I mean, I, I, I wouldn't claim to be an expert on going to college or anything like that.
00:12:12
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because I never went. But my perspective is just based off of what I've been watching my girlfriend be put through. And it looks like hell. Yeah, it's I mean, to me, too, it's the same. I didn't go to college, but it just seems rough, the people that I talk to. There's definitely it has its place for the people who need that higher education.
00:12:37
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And you're spending the money to learn that special thing. But a lot of people, it's just like the next step after high school. They're like, all right, I gotta go to college and take more math classes. Like all I can say from my perspective is, you know, my life isn't glamorous and I didn't go to college, but I'm pretty happy with my choices that I've made. So if you're the type of person that.
00:13:03
Speaker
college really just seems like a dread and seems like something that you really don't want to do and if you're going for a job that really does seem like you don't need college experience you just need experience experience don't be afraid to take that step and just go for that job and just try to be go from the ground up because i mean main person i'm not in debt i didn't put my parents in debt i have no ties to anybody
00:13:30
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It is a way to go. It's a different way to go, but it's certainly something that if you feel is a right path, you should definitely go to.
00:13:43
Speaker
Yeah, if you have the opportunity in your field, especially like
Is Gaming Immature?
00:13:46
Speaker
if there's a field you want to go into and you can do apprenticeships or internships, that's definitely, in my opinion, the way to go. I mean, everybody has their own way of like living their own path. And like, yeah, some people go for glamour. Some people don't need that. And some people just want comfortable living. If you just want a comfortable life where, you know,
00:14:07
Speaker
you're your own person from the get-go and you know that's just kind of how you want to live then definitely don't be afraid to not go to college because that's I mean going to college is important in a lot of cases but it's not important in every case so I mean take that with a grain of salt. The importance of living is living.
00:14:32
Speaker
Yeah, I got you. Another kind of frustrating thing for me that's come up recently in discussions with a few people is that kind of the stigma around video games, as far as what, you know, who the intended audience is. And if you as an as a grown adult male, you know, over like 25, let's say that you shouldn't be spending a decent amount of your time doing that.
00:15:01
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the the
00:15:16
Speaker
Well, I mean, yeah, obviously. I'm just saying, you know, if you, I mean, there are situations where people are in relationships where the guy's making money out of video games and there's multiple ways to do that. I mean, sometimes people mind stuff in like world of Warcraft, like they mind certain weapons and then they sell it to people for real money.
00:15:39
Speaker
and you know they make money off that I mean there's there's real ways to make money in a lot of different ways so I mean depending on how and but of course the real key is moderation that's the real I hate people that just outright say no don't play video games you know it takes you away from life agreed
00:16:04
Speaker
Yeah, if you have a job that requires you to do it, then that's one thing. But I've heard from several people, or at least gotten that feeling that from several people, that it's kind of looked down upon to spend more than an hour on video games. It's almost like if you play a game on your phone, they're like, I'm not going to spend an hour on Candy Crush, which most people do, but also,
00:16:32
Speaker
I don't know, it's viewed very weirdly in it. It's really frustrating for me that people don't view it the same. I've had many conversations of it's kind of the same as you spend, you know, you could spend four hours binge watching a show, but
00:16:49
Speaker
if you play a game for like two or three hours then that's kind of looked at as you know you're wasting your time and you should stop doing that. I feel like for non-gamers or people who don't play games that often that can be an easy view to adopt.
00:17:05
Speaker
at least in the society that I've seen, it's it's still kind of looked down upon as like just by this generation. The younger generation, they're I mean, they spend most of their time on it anyway, their computer, their gaming consoles, all that stuff. But for us, it's still there's a lot of gamers who are just like, what do you or a lot of non gamers who don't quite get the the appeal and kind of look at it as a, you know, don't be a kid, you know, playing Nintendo.
00:17:35
Speaker
Get over yourself. So that can be a little frustrating for me, that opinion. Yeah.
00:17:44
Speaker
like for me whenever i meet somebody that has that issue and i've actually met a couple of people like that as well they're just like i don't understand why people game so much yada yada and i sometimes like i've i've asked all of them you know do you watch movies and a couple of them have said yes and i have had a few people say no as well so i'll get to that later but the people that have said yes to
00:18:11
Speaker
You know, I usually lead off with like, you know, the beautiful thing about gaming is that like, when you find the right game and you have to find the right game. And what I've noticed for a lot of non gamers is that.
00:18:29
Speaker
the the
00:18:50
Speaker
And when I try to do something that I know someone does a lot, you know, I try to do better than what I normally do. And when I don't, I get embarrassed, of course, because they know what they're doing. I don't know what I'm doing. So I have that realization that they're probably trying hard to do something. And since I'm watching, you know, and all that, they get embarrassed and then they fumble.
00:19:13
Speaker
they try to you know they try to do more than what they can handle and when you start off a game on that they start you off pretty simple but it's that learning experience if you haven't had if you haven't played games yet
00:19:29
Speaker
that game is going to help you try to play their game at a slow pace and so what I tell them is that a game really is like a movie or show but you're in it like you get to make the decisions you get to do everything like you're part of it that's the appeal to gaming when you find the right game
00:19:53
Speaker
And when you're really good at games, then you start to do multiplayer games because then what you want to do is you want to make everybody else mad. You want to destroy them and you want to be the best person there is. You want to be the best.
00:20:10
Speaker
And when you're not the best, you get a little mad because you know that you can do better than what you're doing that time, but you're not doing as great as you normally do. Yeah. That's when people get mad and that's people that don't play video games. They don't understand. Yes, it is just a game, but that that's the thing is it's just a game. We're not getting mad at a person. We're not getting mad at something that can feel feelings. We're getting mad at something that is inanimate.
00:20:36
Speaker
We're letting go of our rage from work, from whatever it is. It's a past time. It's like you being able to get into your NFL, like your game and you're like mad that your team's losing. Well, I'm mad that my team's losing in, in, uh, NFL, which one is it now? 21. Yeah. Yeah. Madden, you know,
00:21:03
Speaker
so I mean I'm just it's just a game but you know it's it's also it's it's just a game I'm mad at a game so there's no real there's nothing really going on here I'm just releasing some sort of stress some whatever it's a downtime that's what gaming is it's just your wave
00:21:20
Speaker
Doing other things. I mean, what else are you going to do at that time? If you moderate it, of course. But then there's people who like who have that opinion, but then can spend two hours listening to a podcast or, you know, four hours watching random YouTube videos of dogs and cats and stuff, which, you know, you know, to each their own. I don't have a problem with that, but everybody has their thing that they love to do. Maybe all of the above, but.
00:21:48
Speaker
I don't know. It really bugs me when they're like, you could just, you know, sit there and play like a video game, like a 10 year old, like, I don't know. It's viewed as a very immature activity. There's people that watch people play video games. How are you going to be mad at me for playing video games?
00:22:04
Speaker
Yeah, but I think that said that's a more specific audience of I don't know. I don't know how many people who don't play video games watch other people play video games. Well, the thing will I I've had one person that liked to watch video games.
00:22:20
Speaker
Didn't want me to play video games because I wasn't like a huge like I mean when I play video games I'm quite some concentrating where the content creator he's they're they're very They're already very well versed and being able to talk and game at the same time make it interesting, you know There's a reason why I don't have my own YouTube channel right now. I
00:22:45
Speaker
So, you know, so she liked to watch, you know, she liked to watch content created, but not me, of course, you know, which I completely understand. But that's why I like to play the games as well. And I don't like to watch people play games because I like to be part of it. Yeah, it's I, I respect people's opinion, but I don't like pushing my ideas and other people like I'm not going to get mad at you for watching, you know, six hours of
00:23:15
Speaker
You know, like if it's a girl, it'd be like, you know, you watch like four hours of a girl putting on makeup. I think that's pretty stupid. But if I'm playing a video game, then if I spend like two and a half hours, it's like, what are you doing? Why are you still playing like Mario Kart?
00:23:29
Speaker
Cause I want it. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I will never judge somebody for what they do, but if they have an issue with what I do, of course I'm going to get offensive, especially when it's something that takes just the same amount of time. Yeah. For me, like, again, I like moderation. When I come home, I spend time with my girlfriend. I do all that stuff when, um,
00:23:52
Speaker
I let her know ahead of time, if I'm going to hang out with you or, you know, Jimmy. Um, and you know, we hang out and we do all that kind of stuff. Um, but I mean, for the most part, I try to cook dinner still. I try to do, you know, some of the housework and do all this. I take care of everything at the house as much as possible. And I, when I come home from work, I don't want to play a couple hours of video games, you know, that that's just what I did. What else am I going to do at night?
00:24:20
Speaker
Yeah, that's like I come home. I come home at 9 30 I eat dinner I cook and eat dinner I spend time so 11 30 I try to get on and we play tool to Like that what what what else am I gonna do at that point? Do you want me to read a novel? Do you want me to learn? physics Should I go ahead and create the cure? I don't know what
00:25:02
Speaker
They'd be like, Oh, that's so adult. It's the same thing. It's like, that's such an adult mature thing to do is read a book, but it's such a kid amateur thing to play video games. And I very much disagree with that concept. Yeah, I did as well. I've always had an issue with.
00:25:16
Speaker
that's a good point if
00:25:20
Speaker
I mean, it's a discussion I've had a lot of, you know, what's the difference between me watching a two hour movie and playing video games for two hours? And the responses I always get is very unclear. It's very different. And I go, OK, how? It just is. So I don't there's there's to me, there's no logical argument there other than you don't like it.
00:25:45
Speaker
And I, I just don't know. It's, it's come up a few times and I'm very frustrated that it's still a thing that we have to do with it. It's looked down upon. I mean, seriously for anybody, anybody who's listening that looks down on people that play video games, but likes reading books, likes watching movies, likes watching shows, likes watching people in real life.
00:26:11
Speaker
No, there's people watching that. That's the thing. Video games is like that. It is a different way to tell a story. It is a different way to watch a movie. It is literally a story that you are in. You get to make the decisions. You get to be the person that builds your character. You get to see
00:26:36
Speaker
kind of honestly who you are as a person on paper because when you make the decisions and you really are making those decisions based off of what you want, not what other people are watching you want.
00:26:50
Speaker
You kind of get to see on pay what kind of person you are really on in inside Like if you're cynical that kind of shows if you want to torture a chicken in the video game just cause You already you I mean in certain video games they have random stuff like that. I mean, yeah You so I mean if you do that, obviously there's some part of you that wants to do it, but you're not you're not
00:27:16
Speaker
a whole
00:27:38
Speaker
positive outcome and Honestly positive outcome is how you is your perspective that's based off of what you feel is positive in your life. Mm-hmm
00:27:49
Speaker
So that's a good litmus test is if somebody, if somebody was like, Hey, I watched like seven hours of, um, you know, house last night, you'd be like, Oh dude, I love that show. But if someone was like, dude, I played video games for like seven hours last night, I played, um, you know, some Madden or some NBA that'd be like,
00:28:13
Speaker
Why? What? Did you have nothing better to do? Like, so it's I don't know. It's a it's a different connotation and people view it very differently. And it's frustrating for me. Honestly, that also kind of baffles me. I mean, honestly, there are people legitimately like that. I know I've like I've met them. I've known them. Cheyenne, if you ever listen to this, I'm calling you out.
00:28:39
Speaker
I mean, if you think just like your parents, I mean, your parents can sit and watch a TV show for 30 hours. My mom can watch like literally nine hours of TLC, whatever the heck is on it. So if she came home from work and we're playing video games and then she cooks dinner and brings dinner and is like, hey, here's dinner. It's been like three hours and we're still playing video games. So you plan on doing anything else today?
Balancing Gaming and Life
00:29:05
Speaker
There's, I know many parents like that. And, you know, my mom was like that and, you know, as much as she, I don't wrong her for it. That's just how society viewed it. I don't know. I get the idea of you should go out and do things, but nobody has that same argument when somebody's watching a, you know, be like, oh, this is my show. Like, nobody has that same argument when that's the case. It's only, it's usually only applied to video games.
00:29:34
Speaker
I don't know, like Jazzy will watch like five hours of the same show and she'll be like, I love this show so much. And I'm like, I think cool. But then if I play video games for like an hour and a half, it's like, so like, are you almost done? What's the deal? Why are you spending so much time?
00:29:52
Speaker
It has been proven that video games help hand-eye coordination, help cognitive thinking, like with certain video games, like not all video games are just like GTA, like literally GTA is a brand and there's only a couple of games that's like it that anybody actually plays.
00:30:17
Speaker
like it's it's just it's a shame that people view movies and tv shows higher than i get because you can relate but honestly if more people played the video game you guys could all kind of relate as well to that video game like oh did you play that video game like say there's a game called uh detroit become human
00:30:42
Speaker
Nothing has so many different endings. Like if everybody played that game as much as everybody watched a certain movie and everybody had the different
00:30:52
Speaker
You guys could talk about the different innings and like there would be so many more like to this day. That game is innovative. Like it still has real world world views. It still has a great concept. If you haven't seen it before, definitely look it up. Detroit becoming it's a great game. Yeah, it looks fun. This is definitely not. This is definitely not an ad. An ad, by the way. Yeah. But.
00:31:20
Speaker
I mean, I've just been watching like back to back all the, I watched Jack. He's pretty dope. So, I mean, I've been watching his stuff and back to it. It's a really great game, but like it's something that I think if more people embraced, they would find that they'd probably, they might even be more fulfilled with spending the time because I mean,
00:31:45
Speaker
me and you we play games together we live uh you know an hour and a half away now actually i think a little more somewhere around there and we don't get to say we don't get to see each other you know on a regular basis or anything but we hang out through video games you know it's a great way to stay connected with the people that you like to be connected with and you guys have like a whole bonding experience you guys do stuff together you guys face
00:32:13
Speaker
You know, challenges, if you do multiplayer games together, you know, it's a way to do and be more integrated in your daily lives with people without having to.
00:32:25
Speaker
you know, go everywhere, especially like now in the pandemic and when everybody's staying home, it's a great way to stay and connected and be able to hang out and do stuff. I don't understand why people have such a negative thought on it. There's so many positive things to it. It's a problem for me when somebody be like, you know,
00:32:49
Speaker
it's it's the hypocrisy is what really bothers me it's the i spent three or four hours watching you know ncis or homeland or something like that but then it's you know if i spent a couple the same amount of time playing video games then it's it's a much bigger deal it's just viewed very it's like oh homeland that's like an adult show and that's that's a mature thing to do but video games very immature and obviously there's the whole
00:33:15
Speaker
You know separate argument of oh it improves dexterity and and I coordination all that you know that's a side argument which I don't disagree with but you know that's more of just a benefit you know of collateral benefit. It's the the part that's frustrating for me is when people are kind of look down on it and.
00:33:34
Speaker
I don't appreciate it, but I understand in some circumstances where people are like, there's, I'm sure there's people who completely like zone out and are incapable of like doing two things at once. So, you know, you'll go home and be like, all right, Hey, I'm gonna play a video game. They're like, all right, cool. And then you're, you might as well have left the house for the next five hours. So there's, that's definitely a thing. Yeah.
00:33:59
Speaker
Well, you're smiling pretty big, so. Are you guilty of it? Maybe. Yeah. So I could see whether it be like the issue is you're not paying attention to them and you're not spending enough time as opposed to where you're watching a show together and you're like, you can enjoy something together. It feels a little different. I get that. But if you're able to be present and not be a complete like, you know, you leave the room, you leave
00:34:26
Speaker
The area and you're like, okay, I'm gonna go I could be sitting right next to somebody and we're looking at two different TVs and I'm the immature like baby because I of what I'm watching as opposed to what they're watching I don't know that that's the kind of where it bothers me as long as it's a moderation enough and You're not neglecting your responsibilities and you know in your life and you're not neglecting the people in your life I don't see the big issue that other people see
00:34:53
Speaker
Well, the main part that was actually more in my like earlier years of like dating. I used to do that all the time. I have since learned. Um, I think about two, no, actually my ex girlfriend, I learned no, actually two X's go mainly because my ex girlfriend.
00:35:15
Speaker
She was the one that actually liked to watch video games more than like me playing video games. So that there was like no real issue. But the ex-girlfriend before that, I learned that was my transition from doing that to starting to actually like make sure to take care of my girlfriend first. And like so with my girlfriend now, you know,
00:35:40
Speaker
I I do actually like anytime she wants to do like I mean, you know from experience I'm sure you can back me up is Whenever she wants me it's bye-bye times Like yeah, I I do for any I spend time with but the moment that she's like let's watch do something else or I want to spend time with you and
00:36:03
Speaker
I, it's, I'm like, okay, well, you know, I, and I start to put my attention toward that. And of course, like when we're trying to plan out when we should play video games, like, we're like, okay, we'll get on. Yeah. Yada, yada. When are you getting on? Like, hmm.
00:36:38
Speaker
Obviously, the feeling in the room is not, hey, I'm going to get up and play Xbox. I should just stay here, watch another episode, yada, yada. And then after this episode, I think we're good. You know, that kind of thing. So it's like gauging that. And like, I mean, now it's learning with, I'm still, I'm 29, still learning.
00:36:38
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the the the
00:37:00
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but I'm learning more. So I mean, it's that period where, of course, for anybody who's really young and watching this like 18, 19,
00:37:10
Speaker
real honestly don't expect your boyfriend or girlfriend i mean i know a lot of girls that game now you know boyfriend girl if they game a lot right now and they're not too you know don't don't sweat it too much they're i mean you're learning how how to manage time still it's still a time management thing i'm i'm almost 30 still still learning how to manage my time but i'm learning
00:37:38
Speaker
Know you know more how to do other things rather than game where as you know, I was one of those 12-hour gamers and Yeah, that comes up with anything. It's not just a specific to gaming. Yeah Exactly moderation is always a precedence. Yeah, it shouldn't take precedence over other stuff But I think it should be considered on the same level as TV and movies and I don't think that it is I
00:38:04
Speaker
But definitely you can't hate some. I mean, of course, it's definitely a learning tool to, you know, not necessarily be okay with somebody spending 12 hours a day if they're not making money.
00:38:20
Speaker
Or if they have no promise of me, I mean if you see somebody and like they're again, this is all there's so much gray area if somebody's 18 And they're almost like they they look really good at a game like really really good and maybe when they're 20 they can actually start making some real money and
00:38:41
Speaker
maybe not sweat it too much because they're 18 they're still finding a life but like when when they're like my age and they're trying to go into like at that point sorry you kind of missed the boat unless like you find some game that gives you like you you've played it if you and you're magnificently on uh for some reason you can't you can't be beat yeah of course go for the golden ticket but i mean other than that like of course that's a golden ticket that's once in a million
00:39:10
Speaker
you really got to think about these things. But when you're my age, of course, you're going to think about these. You should be thinking about them. But I mean, so I mean, it's all gray area if they're, you know, depending on who they are, where they are in life.
00:39:27
Speaker
I mean, everybody has their own speed.
Adults Enjoying 'Childish' Things
00:39:30
Speaker
So this is a good, like in my head. So think about, so you're sitting in your living room with your TV and your girlfriend and her friend walk in.
00:39:43
Speaker
And, you know, they come into the living room like they just got home. Do you think you're viewed the same way if you had a headset on and you're playing Xbox, even if you like pause it, put it down and be like, oh, hey, how are you doing? Or do you think you're viewed in the same way as if you had like a movie on and you just paused it and said, oh, hey, do you think that's you're viewed the same if you have a movie or a video game on?
00:40:07
Speaker
my generation age now yeah that's that's my problem is i think they're the same younger generation it would honestly legit not gonna lie i and this is purely biased by the way uh i feel like my generation to maybe the next tier down is like
00:40:34
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the the
00:40:55
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let me think of like a game that like I mean even Call of Duty like you know if I just play I'm playing zombies I mean one I can't really pause that unless I'm playing by myself which I wouldn't be but like if I if I even if I just like put my controller down took off my headset and just died right then and there like to somebody that doesn't play video game that's honestly
00:41:20
Speaker
That is a slap to the face that all of the other players you're playing with because you guys agreed to play online and work as a team. Yeah, that that's one of the things that games bring to bring to the table. You can work as a team and really be. But people that don't play video, they don't understand that.
00:41:38
Speaker
Like they're they talk about team, but it's really it is a team and when somebody in your team just goes a that is disheartening Disheartening but my freshman you feel like it's not appreciated so so when so when you come when like that friend comes through the door and You just get off your headset you get up because I mean me personally that is what I would do I don't give I care who it is
00:42:05
Speaker
If I have a guest over, I'm going to get up and be, you know, I live in the moment. I don't even go on my phone too much. I do go on my phone, but if I have a guest over or I'm focused on them, I focus on them.
00:42:20
Speaker
So and like even I but I have also been in that situation that you're talking about where they just and they're like, Oh, you guys are playing video game. Yeah, it's just it's very different. And, you know, I don't want to sit here for an hour talking about it. But it's obviously it's been a recurring issue throughout my life with different people.
00:42:41
Speaker
And I wish that it would kind of get better. Obviously, the, you know, younger generations as I mean, they're strictly all media. So it's a little bit less of an issue. I can't say how much because I'm not in the generation, but especially for us, I definitely see it. So something else that I wish we could normalize would be chocolate milk for adults. Like, come on, man. You're going to tell me I don't care if you're called you.
00:43:11
Speaker
Exactly, you're gonna tell me you're 60 years old and you don't enjoy chocolate milk. To me, in my head, it's kind of the same connotation. If somebody sees you sipping a chocolate milk, they'll be like, alrighty then.
00:43:26
Speaker
But if they see you sipping a coffee, you're automatically like 10 levels higher than the person sitting there sipping at you. There is a stigma, totally. I mean, if if if you see an adult drink chocolate milk, I totally could definitely see some weird like he actually drink like. Hmm. But honestly, I mean, I'm a guy that loves milk, so either I eat chocolate and drink milk.
00:43:53
Speaker
Or I can just drink chocolate and like I can drink that by myself. Get my vitamin D. So there's yeah, I don't know that it's the stigmas around these things that are frustrating for me. I mean, so imagine being like, I mean, you were a waiter. Imagine somebody like, yeah, I'll take a chocolate milk. Well, I mean, even for us, would you laugh?
00:44:18
Speaker
Probably. Yeah, actually, no, I feel I I went at the very least I'd give him the the cock, like the head cock and the ho like the face. I mean, I mean, even me, I'd be on board to be like, for real. All right, let's do this. I mean, I'd be completely on board, but it's just not something that's a normal that I wish was normal. I mean, if we're talking about that, what about like trying to get a happy meal at McDonald's?
00:44:45
Speaker
I mean, I'm I don't have I don't know if that. Yeah, you know, there was an issue, you know, there was. Well, hold on. You're now this is going. Oh, OK, I'm not necessarily as big of a fan, but this is a question to a Pokemon fan that were giving away Pokemon cards, a toy and a box that had Pikachu's face on it, like just a McDonald's box.
00:45:08
Speaker
Is that not some memorabilia that you would think if not you if not Like it may be some fan that might be an adult that just so happens to be a huge fan of Pokemon would want but people look down on that kind of person But the thing is you shouldn't I'm like, why would you like? Why do you have any just because a child likes something? Doesn't mean that adult can't I?
00:45:33
Speaker
that i can see a little bit more than the other ones because it is you otherwise know is a kid's meal i mean yeah but like i mean think about it all a kid's meal really is is just i don't disagree small amount of fast food so you manage your intake of fast food
00:45:53
Speaker
And you get your memorabilia, which is limited edition, technically, you know, McDonald's, uh, uh, Pikachu McDonald's mashup, like a crossover. Uh, you get Pokemon cards, authentic Pokemon cards, a Pokemon card pack.
00:46:12
Speaker
with, uh, like, uh, and I got, um, she, uh, holographic cards of a certain car. Yeah. And you get decent cards and like, you get a, like, what's, what's so wrong about having that for adults that really kind of like this stuff.
00:46:30
Speaker
Yeah, like there shouldn't like just because a kid likes it doesn't mean an adult shouldn't like it I mean, there's a reason why we have that in our that's when we're most You know, that's when everything was okay in the world. We weren't yet Like thrown into life You know, so I mean why not revisit every now and then or especially like enthusiasts
00:46:53
Speaker
that's
00:47:11
Speaker
that's on the more extreme end of acceptance i'm just saying you know cuz it's technically kids me i wouldn't have a problem with it but the thing is all it is is a controlled controlled amount but like instead of eating an actual like whole mcdonald's meal you're only six chicken nuggets or me or
00:47:31
Speaker
you're getting the the make double for like half the like about the essentially the almost the same price maybe a dollar more and you're getting more of a bundle so I mean for an for a real enthusiast that wants to kind of get more pokemon cards but also one
00:47:49
Speaker
That wouldn't be like a bad financial way of doing it. You're on the more extreme end of the spectrum. You want complete normalization. I should be able to buy like kids toys.
00:48:02
Speaker
Well, yeah. And the funny thing is I don't even want to buy it, but I want I want people that want to buy them want to be able to feel free of buying them without prejudice because I mean, yeah, essentially buying Pokemon cards. Yeah. But the thing is, is that you want to buy them, don't you? But the thing is, that's the thing.
00:48:21
Speaker
Is you are fully aware you're knowledgeable of what the stem Like the stemicism, but you want to still do it But that's the thing is that's your own personal joy. You shouldn't feel bad for doing your own like what makes you happy
00:48:36
Speaker
Mm hmm. So I feel like, you know, this is crazy how people like put these things in like chocolate milk. Like what? Why? Why? Why are you going to why are you going to be over there with your beard? So I for some time, that's just happening. He doesn't need the thing is you're drinking beer. He should be judging you. And what's also hilarious about that, that's why I think.
00:49:03
Speaker
That's why I think chocolate milk is such a good example is because I don't know anybody
00:49:08
Speaker
I mean, I would say they're very rare that if you hand them a yoo-hoo, they won't be like, these are so delicious. I don't see anybody who would be like, these are for kids. I'm not drinking this. But if you're the one drinking it, they'll be like, he's kind of immature. I don't know. I feel like it comes with a lot of connotations that I don't appreciate just because I wanted to enjoy a beverage that's so delicious that kids also like it.
00:49:36
Speaker
Well,
The High Cost of Healthy Living
00:49:37
Speaker
for the adults that are really judgmental, do you know that if you mix chocolate milk with Smirnoff marshmallow, you kind of get like a s'mores-y alcohol? So maybe they're doing that. You don't know. You don't know the life right there. Well, that's the only way they're allowed to enjoy it. Maybe they're mixing it up. That's the only way you're allowed to enjoy it as an adult, is if you put alcohol in it. Exactly.
00:50:13
Speaker
And I ordered like all these drinks and then my boy ordered chocolate milk. I'd be probably more intimidated by the guy. I'm like, why does he not need to drink? Like what was he really? I'm like, oh, this guy is like hella responsible. You know, you know, so I mean, maybe it's insecurity. Who knows? Maybe they just have an issue.
00:50:27
Speaker
That's the only way that it's fair, otherwise you're a small child.
00:50:39
Speaker
have an issue with the restaurants that they don't give you free refills I'm talking about that's very real though like you don't get free like more milk back there yeah that stuff is cheap I know you got a ton of it it's cheaper than buying a keg of soda
00:51:02
Speaker
I'm like, I know you guys have not sold that milk in about almost two weeks. It's almost past the time. You're about to throw it out. Exactly. And I know you have to sell it.
00:51:13
Speaker
Say the cheesecake factory with everybody orders chocolate cheesecake. You should be paying me to use all the milk. You should be like giving me like 50 cent, 25 cent. That's a good idea for restaurants. Be like tonight's special is a seared salmon with a nice choco milk.
00:51:35
Speaker
uh in the chefs we need you to really push the chocolate milk tonight what kind of wine pairs well with the salmon oh uh we're actually out of wine today but we do have a nice chocolate milk we have a 2021 chocolate milk
00:51:57
Speaker
For a limited time, we actually put it's actually cherry chocolate milk with an extra bit of sweet. Really, they just put that that those artificial cherry juices. Yeah.
00:52:12
Speaker
It pairs very well with a nice Honey Nut Cheerios. Oh man, I saw somebody on TikTok the other day. They were walking around for honeycombs. I didn't realize honeycombs were so hard to find nowadays. Those were so good. Yeah. They like changed the, I think they changed the formula too. I don't know if they were too sugary or something, but those were really good. That wouldn't be honest. I wouldn't be surprised. Cause like honeycombs in the nineties, that has to be like 90% sugar.
00:52:42
Speaker
I mean, most of the cereals. I don't know. I don't know if honeycomb was specific. Like it had all the honey sugar. It's so weird. Cause like, sometimes I find myself wondering what they tasted in the nineties. Cause like.
00:52:57
Speaker
If I remember correctly, they were delicious, but they tasted just about the same as they do now. But I know that now that they have, like, they have less everything, like less sugar, like all that stuff. So it's just like, I wonder if I tasted them from before. Would I hate them because my taste buds have now been adapted to the less sugar. Yeah. No, probably not. Because you haven't adapted to the more sugar. So what?
00:53:25
Speaker
said you probably have the same taste buds now. You wouldn't have adapted to more sugar so that you'd probably still like it.
00:53:31
Speaker
I mean yeah but the thing is since they they changed the sugar like the health code like in the early 2000s right so that was that has to be at least a decade almost too since since like I mean and when you grow up of course your taste buds change so I wonder if like now if I taste it this is way too sugary
00:53:56
Speaker
I don't know. I'm kind of, I saw it, like I said, I saw it on TikTok. I kind of want to try them now. I haven't had them in a long time. I forgot that they were a thing. Well, I'm hoping that that is the case because like if that is the case and that means that by evolution, maybe eventually we can get to some really healthy foods and actually have them taste decent. Yeah, that's a quick note while I was thinking about it.
00:54:16
Speaker
We can discuss, you know, healthy food prices in another podcast, but I mean, that's definitely a point of frustration for me is trying to help me. But that is 100% going to be on the next podcast. But I don't think I remember. I will remember this later. So I saw like an advertisement for this like healthy soda. It's called Ollie Pop.
00:54:40
Speaker
Never heard of it. So, you know, it's one of the healthier sodas, you know, they use more of the artificial sugars that are better for you and, you know, zero calories, whatever. So I went and looked it up. How much do you think a 12 pack of these cans of soda are? So, you know, how much is it?
00:55:01
Speaker
12 pack of Coke. You're twelve dollars or sorry, twelve dollars or five. What? No, five dollars for a 12 pack. I'm sorry, but I don't shop at Publix or whatever. I would say maybe like five. Well, a 460 something 599 maybe. OK, so how much do you think is the is this Ollie Pop? Well, no, that's healthy. I was thinking, OK, if there if you're saying why would it be cheaper to go? Huh?
00:55:31
Speaker
Coke is five bucks. Oh, well, I don't I. A little inside here, I don't I don't buy soda. I make it a point not to buy or do anything with soda because it's bad for me. Now, Gatorade, Mr. Personal Trainer, a 12 pack of Coke cans is five dollars in most stores that you know, if it's not on sale.
00:55:55
Speaker
Well, I have looked for a 12 pack of you who so that's I figured it was probably about five, four or five bucks. Because normally like when I was looking for you who I thought it would be like three, four bucks. It was. No, it's chocolates for kids. Yeah. So let's see. I would say since you're saying it's seven dollars, seven ninety nine. Is that no.
00:56:23
Speaker
No, so it's expensive for a 12-pack of this healthy soda. I'll show you on the camera right now. You can go with $7.99.
00:56:33
Speaker
12-pack of this all the Apollo that looks that looks like it's alcohol is Truly or Something I mean, it's not not And so it's a soda using plant sugars With prebiotics, I think it's prebiotic not pros not probiotic So it has stuff that's good for your stomach and it's plant-based sugar. So it's you know supposed to be much more healthy Or is it like a sultur?
00:57:04
Speaker
uh no i think it's actual like they have some yeah i don't think it's technically a a um actually maybe it is um it is sparkling tonic yeah it's sparkling tonic yeah okay so it's it's a it's a static in a can
00:57:27
Speaker
So it's gluten free, non GMO, two to five grams of sugar per can. So it's like super low in sugar. So it's I mean, it's pretty good for not, you know, bad for you. It's pretty healthy. Truly is 10. Huh? Truly has low amounts of calories. I think it's 10 calories. Oh, OK, so 12 pack. It's not seven dollars. What is it? 40. That is a ripoff is what that is.
00:57:57
Speaker
110 percent rip off. You know, it's cheaper than buying that can of healthy soda, not drinking soda. Do it. Yeah. And that's also healthier. At that point, just drink. Truly. Put some meal in or something. I don't care. Don't buy. Don't spend $40 on 12 sodas.
00:58:21
Speaker
that's like three and a half dollars per soda soda i say in quotes it's water how i don't unless you got so much money that that really doesn't matter and even then
00:58:37
Speaker
Even then, those people that have that kind of money, that are old money, would know to save that money, not buy that. To be fairly honest. I can see that being in like a celebrity's house, like having like 30 of them. I could too. I mean, but the thing is, is like there's a lot of.
00:58:59
Speaker
Yeah, well, we won't go down that kind of frustration, but that is redonkulous. I would rather stick to my current diet of drinking water and well flavored water and.
00:59:17
Speaker
Regular water and milk like that those are literally an alcohol some chocolate milk to be fair I do drink some alcohol every now and then but I know well aware shut up But I mean other than that like I mean come on Like why why?
Conclusion and Future Plans
00:59:37
Speaker
if you're good with money why would you waste money on that i don't see any reason to buy it so i saw it i was like oh that looks cool let me check this out so i looked i was like oh cool so i should never even mention this name i would have never have paid for that ever
00:59:54
Speaker
I didn't buy any. Oh, well, no, I mean, sorry, I would never have guessed that number. Never. I would have kept going around like the 15 like the teens. I wouldn't I don't even think I would have gotten to the to the 20s. No, dude, it's crazy that like that. I saw it was like, OK, cool. So immediate close my browser and I'm done. I don't care. It should be like Goldschlager and have so many gold shavings in there and even Goldschlager.
01:00:24
Speaker
is cheaper than that, at least in the state of North Carolina. No, that's for Doncos. Yeah, that's going to have to be a whole other podcast. I mean, well, that is I think that is, again, going on the extremes. That's on the extreme side. But that is pretty much on the extreme side. I fruit and vegetables are way too expensive.
01:00:43
Speaker
i think the healthy food market as a whole is kind of another discussion of how uh how expensive things are but we could discuss that another time i just wanted to bring that up while i was thinking about it um yeah anyways um okay um i think i think we're we're good for today unless you have anything else you want to get off your chest before we close it out oh man
01:01:12
Speaker
I'm gonna save this heat keep it internal Like usual be prepared for the next podcast anyways Well, I hope you enjoy the rest of your day buddy. Hope everybody else enjoys the rest of your day
01:01:32
Speaker
I hope you're staying mildly frustrated and bring that frustration. Use it in your daily life. Just kidding. It gets a little more mildly, but I keep it. I put it. I crunch it down in the mile. You know, I hope you internalize it and use it against your loved ones.
01:01:53
Speaker
Well, enjoy the rest of your week everybody. We will see you next time. It's nice to have a kind of a semi-regular schedule here. So hopefully, ideally, we'll be back. So far, let's wait. Let's go for three. Yeah, we're gonna go for a third consecutive week next week. So hopefully, we'll see you all next time. See you later. Didn't you end last time by saying Triscuits? Triscuits!
01:02:18
Speaker
Yeah, that one