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Ain't Nobody Tell Me How To Live
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Garrett, Chris and Fax are back talking Beast Man War Games, Jun Kasai & Desperado's death match, what's been going on at Kid Rock's Big Ass Honky Tonk in Nashville and more!
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Garrett's Streaming Dilemma
00:00:35
Speaker
I like my peacock, like I like my condoms and cigarettes, only ultra premium. Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of Predetermined, a Pro Wrestling Hangout. I'm your host, Garrett Callender. And it just felt like a right way to start this. Yeah, this is facts. We didn't get any time to chat and say, are you ready? What's the order of things? What are we talking about? We are just going. This is how the world works. This is how the podcast works now.
00:01:04
Speaker
Yeah, Garrett's Garrett's got some, uh, some peacock running on the background behind him. Like he's Sean Mooney in the event center. And, uh, we were commenting on the ads and, uh, you know, Garrett Garrett's thinking about upgrading. So listeners, if you have the ultra premium, super premium peacock without ads and maybe with like the old music back on the WWE network, let Garrett know whether it's worth it.
Mystery Illness Speculations
00:01:28
Speaker
If MJF saw those commercials playing behind me, I would never hear the end of how poor I was. Maybe we need to start a Patreon so that I don't have to watch a goddamn Febreze commercial in between my Walter matches. Yeah, so I grew up on Long Island, not far from where MJF did, and I actually didn't know what commercials were until I met you guys. Oh, wow.
00:01:53
Speaker
But but you know what, you know, enough about that with MJF. Hey, hey, hey, guys, you remember how a couple of weeks ago I'd been talking forever about seeing Beastman wrestle and I missed it. Yeah. Yeah, I do. And then and then you guys remember about how I was like, well, on the plus side, I've got Grand Slam coming to my hometown. And I was like super duper excited about seeing Grand Slam in person. Yeah, I remember that. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not going to that either.
00:02:24
Speaker
I have a ticket, Chris, you know, I have a ticket with you and I'm not going. And it may have happened by the time people listen to it or maybe it's happening, but one thing is for sure, facts will not be in attendance. It's decided? Yeah, I mean, me and my medical professional, I have a...
00:02:47
Speaker
I'm basically unpoxed. You guys know this. We talked off Mike, but I don't have the monkey pox. I don't have the chicken pox, but I have a pox. You have a pox. I have a pox, maybe a six pox, an Xbox.
00:03:05
Speaker
Would you say the pox you have is one of the better pox you could get? If it were a Pokemon card, would it be an ultra special rare holographic pox? I think so. From the doctor, he seemed to say of the poxes you're going to get, this is a more premium one for sure.
00:03:24
Speaker
So it's going to get a pox. It would be this one. I mean, he's not because he's so rich now. But yeah, if it were, if he had to be chosen for one, it would be this. So so for those keeping score missed these men because of just rescheduling and organized play.
00:03:41
Speaker
Now I'm going to be missing... I couldn't get enough of that episode, by the way. Just so the listeners know, I didn't know until I edited that episode that Fax missed Beastman because he was playing board games 40 yards from the building. And everyone had screwed me. I was Austin. They were McMahon and everybody else. I got screwed.
00:04:08
Speaker
Brett does hang out with Stephanie a lot now. That's true. That was one. Now I'm missing Grand Slam because of a literal pox on my body. Again, next thing on the bucket list is in November, we've got the next AEW pay-per-view is literally
00:04:30
Speaker
a mile and a half from my house. We've seen dynamite there. I have walked home from dynamite at the Prudential Center.
00:04:40
Speaker
We and Chris
AEW Pay-Per-View Plans
00:04:41
Speaker
have already rescheduled a trip to Mexico to make sure we will be here for that AEW pay-per-view. So for those people at home, just start writing in your predictions of what's going to cause me to miss that show. See, I'm concerned about Mexico. I heard that a CML has been booking Shane Helms and Fred Ottman.
Chris's Health Adventures
00:05:03
Speaker
using the gimmicks of hurricane and typhoon. So I think that's just begging for it personally. See, as far as what I'm concerned about, it isn't what happens to either of you. Chris, you've already spread COVID to half the Northeast. Fax, he has gone by coastal with spreading the pox. I've gotten nothing yet.
00:05:29
Speaker
What the fuck? Like it goes from covid to a rare pox. Are we even going to say which pox? Do you want to tell people? I mean, yeah, you know, let's let them speculate. I think that'll be more fun for them. OK, it's not monkeying your chicken. Everyone go to WebMD. Purchase a premium WebMD subscription if you want to avoid the ads. Ultra premium, ultra premium.
00:05:57
Speaker
I will actually say my condition does not have the word pox in the name, actually. But when I went to see the doctor and like there was already like a whiteboard on the door and it literally had patient with big quotes, pox like symptoms. That's what that's what like the
Kid Rock Bar Antics
00:06:16
Speaker
intake nurse had written up about me. So that's why I love I love dropping a hard P now that I know that it's not monkey pox. And your anus is fine.
00:06:26
Speaker
My anus, you know, it's as fine as it ever is. You know, we did tacos last night. I'm not going to say it's perfect. But, you know, it's not in particular jeopardy. And there are no pox within it or or even near it. If you're trying to diagnose facts via WebMD, just just keep that in mind. Just no, not on the butthole. Not on the not on the BH now.
00:06:50
Speaker
But Garrett, I think you're kind of tempting fate, right? Chris had COVID all over the place. I'm spreading pox like it's going out of business. You seem escalating. So I feel like you and Derek really got to be on the lookout.
00:07:06
Speaker
I've been sharing needles with strangers down on Broadway.
Beastman Highlights
00:07:11
Speaker
I don't, I mean, most of them have been vaccine needles. Like I'm not getting tattoos or doing drugs. We'll see, we'll see. Some of them look shady. Some of them look like they could have had a pox themselves. Some of these injections have been in the butthole. I don't-
00:07:29
Speaker
Kid Rock's big ass honky tonk, the place that all the wrestlers hung out after SummerSlam. Wow. Didn't that know that? That's after Slayer's thing, too. Oh, well, that well, that definitely I mean, he was Kid Rock was there, right? Here's my question about that bar. How frequently is are they going to stop playing all summer long? In a couple of days, or do they go with all summer long, all winter, all fall?
00:08:00
Speaker
Today as we're recording is the last day of summer. So this is the last day. I don't think that Kid Rock plays by anyone's rules based on them staying open during the shutdown. Also, this was a fun thing that happened at Kid Rocks that on the Nashville news or like you saw that there was a thing from like a police radar. There was a guy who unhooked his colostomy bag
00:08:26
Speaker
Kid Rock and swung it around and covered everyone in feces, was not arrested, got away, came back and did it again the next night. You know, Kid Rock did have that song with Monster Truck about how nobody was going to tell him how to live. And I think that guy really, Kid Rock was like, look, I had a song that said ain't nobody going to tell me how to live. I can't tell this guy how to live, even if it means spreading shit on everyone else.
00:08:54
Speaker
during a pandemic. What am I supposed to do? A colostomy bag guy to take it down to Jason Aldean's? No, you keep that here at Kid Rocks. Yeah, but I can tell you that feces is not a vector for spreading COVID. So that actually is reasonably safe. It's probably, that guy is probably one of the safer people to be around at Kid Rocks when it comes to COVID rent.
00:09:20
Speaker
And honestly, the closer you are to him, the less likely you are to get the helicopter of poo on you. Cause you know, it's going around.
00:09:32
Speaker
I just have to say just a recommendation. If you also hate Kid Rock, um, the show, what makes this song stink on YouTube has episodes both on all summer long and, uh, nobody going to tell me how to live. Highly, highly recommended. Um, just spend a few hours on, on that channel, but really at least the time with Kid Rock cause fuck. Jeez. The more time I can spend with Kid Rock, the better.
00:10:00
Speaker
I don't know. I will say, I do have a memory of getting...
00:10:07
Speaker
for Christmas one year in high school, I got the Kid Rock CD, the first one, because everyone was very excited about, you know, ba-wa-ta-ba and cowboy and all that stuff. Rebel Without a Cause, was that the name of the- I think that sounds right, yeah. Yeah. And I also, on that same day, got a VHS tape from RF Video, The Best of Raven. And I definitely,
00:10:35
Speaker
Listen to Kid Rock while watching ECW fan cams.
00:10:41
Speaker
which is a very 1998 sentence. Yeah, I mean, you don't even need to explain that your tips were frosted. We just all painted that in our own. You're still wearing the puka shell necklace you had on at the time. Yeah, but honestly, though, like, I mean, Kid Rocks, I'm sure is great. But if I want to hang around with a bunch of hillbilly country folk, I think I'd prefer to watch Beastman War Games.
00:11:10
Speaker
Call me crazy. And the wait is finally over, by the way. I got double charged. I'm not going to complain. I'm not going to give you not even worry about it. I it was worth Long Island rich. I'm Long Island rich and it's it's worth the double charge. It was worth it. The three of us got together over the weekend. We watched Beastman War Games. I mean, I don't know where to start. So, guys, what were your what are some of your takeaways?
00:11:39
Speaker
I was so. The match, first of all, I was really happy about something at the start, which was that we knew the beast man and his team was wrestling a group called the deplorables. Yep. And this is a show in West Virginia. And I was just normal. This was Adjective List Virginia. Oh, it was regular Virginia. It was regular. It was the South. And I was really happy to find out that the deplorables were heels.
00:12:07
Speaker
Yeah, very happy about that. It very well could have gone either way. That could have been a thing where, you know, baby faces in West Virginia, heels and everywhere else, heels in San Francisco, heels in San Francisco. I don't know. We were we were pretty sure Beastman was going to be the face. And not only is he it was VCW, not only is he a face there, he is he's like Hogan in 83. Oh, yeah. W and Appalachian crowds.
00:12:39
Speaker
And what about the reveal of the mystery partner, right? We were speculating on this. The deplorables were all defined, but Team Beastman seemed like it had an open spot for a mystery man.
00:12:51
Speaker
I think our problem is that we have not followed this company ever. We have not seen a fucking moment of this company. Not till we targeted that. By the way, the PPV is, I believe it was $2.99 to rent, 72-hour rental, and it is almost exactly two hours. They don't make you sit through an intermission. They edit that out. So it is almost the entire card is about two hours. And I would say,
00:13:19
Speaker
War Games itself is maybe not quite the final third, maybe a little bit less than a third of it. And honestly, the opening video.
00:13:29
Speaker
surpassed any expectation I had. Well, very well produced. You see that video and you're like, oh, VCW, maybe they're a higher end thing. They're certainly not in a Buffalo Wild Wings parking lot. And then you see the first guy enter and it's still kind of like you have that high production value. And then eventually this follows him down the aisle and you see just that normal high school gym basketball scoreboard. And you notice there's only about
00:13:56
Speaker
110 people there and you're like, oh yeah, this is more what I was expecting. But the production value is still kind of better than New Japan US. Yes.
00:14:08
Speaker
For sure. It wasn't in Buffalo Wild Wings, but in the corner I could see a pile of history books that were no longer allowed to be taught, and a pile of books that are no longer allowed to be read in the library. In Virginia. To be clear, in Virginia. In Virginia, yeah. You could probably teach those things in like Massachusetts or like Oregon, but not Virginia.
00:14:27
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you, uh, yeah, this is, but you know, that's beside the point. We're here for the wrestling. We're not here for that. Um, no, but they love them some beast man. They did love them some beast man. And it just going back.
00:14:41
Speaker
to the mystery opponent, which I felt like everybody that we saw in this show, we saw three or four times throughout the show. And we were speculating based on Appalachian Wrestling, which we've now become more familiar with over the last month and a half or so. So we were all speculating Shane Douglas, maybe, I don't know, like a Tommy Dreamer type, Sabu. We were kind of thinking something. I mean, Shane Douglas was the main person we were all thinking, let's be honest.
00:15:11
Speaker
So it was not Shane Douglas. It was not. It was not that level of star power. Was the guy's name like Petey Killpiss? And I'm not making up that last name. Killpiss is the only part that I know for sure is correct. Yeah. And he had already worked on the show.
00:15:30
Speaker
And I have really very it was very anticlimactic for us. The fans seem to want him to be part of the match when he came out. People really liked Hillbilly Jim back in the day, too. So, I mean, let's not, you know. Yeah. Well, and also it's a little more kind of maybe he's El Ejo Del Uncle Elmer.
00:15:48
Speaker
Yeah. And let's also just address this heads-on too. Beastman, because we want to brace the audience if they haven't seen this. Beastman comes out. He's not wearing the helmet. He's not wearing the loincloth. He's not husking. This is like...
00:16:03
Speaker
Dusty wearing the leather jacket, where he's like, this is the real beast, man. Come in and be in real with you. He's wearing these, he comes out in his bruiser Brody shirt. Yep. Yeah. Pretty good bruiser Brody shirt. That's one I'd wear right now. Yeah.
00:16:20
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, between that and the Ace Ventura jersey, we know he's got great taste in shirts. So we should we should, by the way, Christmas, not that close, not that far away, we should start thinking about what the podcast is going to be getting Beastman for Christmas this year. Oh, good point. Yes. Yeah. And I don't want to give again, I want to give the entire match away. But one of the things that's exciting is this is a real showcase for Beastman, right? Beastman is first.
00:16:47
Speaker
through a
00:17:00
Speaker
Yeah. And, and I will say we, we joked around when I originally saw on Instagram, kind of the pictures of beast man in the back and only think a little bit. No, there's, there's blood. This is, I'm not going to say this is like on the all time bloodiest war games match, but they treat it
Beastman's Wrestling Future
00:17:14
Speaker
like a war games. It's a single ring. There is a cage around it, a single ring, but, but there's definitely some blood and, and a lot of it is beast man's blood. Yeah. He gets a good, he's like a.
00:17:17
Speaker
series of events, obviously the heels when the coin tossed, but at one point Beastman is fighting one on three.
00:17:29
Speaker
like a like just a couple of steps down from like like top level WCW blade like war games blade jobs like like he's not Dustin Rhodes or Arne or Steve Austin. But you know, because he's round back to Windham. You know, I give him good points for duration because he might not have the full mood at any point.
00:17:53
Speaker
He had consistent blood flow for like 15 plus minutes, I wanna say during this match. He's a big guy, he's got a lot of blood in him. That's true, he's a large man. But I will say this, some people might think we joke a little bit about Beastman or that there's some part of this that we exaggerate. So let's just give something totally real and unequivocal. I'll say it, I think you guys are gonna agree with me, but I'll say it out loud first.
00:18:20
Speaker
Beastman was in a completely other league than the other guys on the card. Like it was pretty clear Beastman does not belong with these guys in VCW. Beastman belongs on GCW or one of the big two. Beastman's a star. A lot of the other guys in the show were
00:18:41
Speaker
very indie, right? A lot of hard work, but very like, you could see the seams and you could kind of see, okay, this guy needs to improve this, this guy needs to improve that. And a lot of them, and I would say the majority, if I'm being fair, like truthful, would be don't even work on it. It's not worth your time. It's never happening.
00:19:03
Speaker
I mean, they're having fun in that high school gym. I'm not gonna tell them to quit, but I do completely agree with you. When we first saw Beastman at the Malcolm X Community College in Chicago, there was, in the moment, a hint of irony.
00:19:23
Speaker
to our enjoyment of Beastman, I feel like, just because the way the crowd got with it, but we continued to talk about him for weeks.
00:19:35
Speaker
close to GCW that they have top tier talent, right? They have pretty much tippy top indie guys up and down the card and some bigger time guys sprinkled in. So like Warrior, GCW, these are places where Beastman just plug and play, feels fine, but now kind of seeing him go back to where he had been working before we had seen him, it's even far more apparent.
00:20:04
Speaker
He belongs on these bigger stages and not just because of they have better weight support. Yeah, no, it's it really was like seeing him do the GCW show and then this like he's just yeah, he was he was absolutely a tear above everybody else in that ring other than maybe the Fandango guy that
00:20:29
Speaker
Surprised everybody at the end. He's the double swerve surprise. We won't get into it too much for those that want to watch. But like and I would just say this, too, he was better in like every way. He was better on the stick. He got better reactions. He was better at selling. Who knew Beastman could be like the Ricky Morton in a war games? I don't even know what that would. Chris, who would that make him? Uh.
00:20:54
Speaker
It's kind of like a like a maybe like a Dustin or Dusty kind of. He's a road. Yeah, he's a roads. Right. Because Dusty's first in the first war games. He takes a shit kicking. Yeah. Right. Right. And and like Dusty, he makes sure to get his own shit in too. So so yeah, he's Beastman puts on a dusty roads in the very first war games ask performance.
00:21:23
Speaker
That makes me think we need Beastman to get like, you know how Dusty had like the fur coat? Like Beastman in a fur coat, that is interesting. He joins like a rich guy stable, ends up with, would it be like as good of a fur coat as everybody else? Or would he have like what a caveman thinks a nice fur coat. I like it. I like it. I like that detail.
00:21:49
Speaker
I actually would love, let's just say it's MJF and he does a full pretty woman thing with them. I want to see if Vignette's strung out before every commercial break for a full week of Dynamite, where it's just different things where Beastman doesn't understand,
00:22:08
Speaker
But and like maybe the previous weeks, MJF has already hired him to be the muscle. Like that already happened. Now, MJF's like, well, if you're going to represent me, you got to you got to operate with class. And the different like has his teeth done, takes him to a dentist, maybe a mani pati. What is it? What's inside the box that he snaps on Beastman's fingers and he giggles.
00:22:31
Speaker
Hmm. It's the name of my ring. Oh, and then Beastman wins that from MJF. For real, though, like, where do you see Beastman going from where he's at?
00:22:46
Speaker
I think, honestly, I think right now, I think he's going to, I think we're going to start seeing him be a GCW regular. And I think other things again, like warrior. And, uh, I is like, I don't think beast man Bola is crazy. I was thinking, I was actually thinking PWG beast man would be, I kind of want to see that. I want to see him like grapple, like Daniel Garcia. I want to see Daniel Garcia attempt to grapple beast man.
00:23:13
Speaker
I mean, yeah, we really haven't seen him wrestle like a top tier guy. Think about him with somebody like a Will Osprey who can be flying all over the place around him and be working with his size to
00:23:33
Speaker
Yeah, but this is where I think there's a legitimate like I think his time in like that GCW, you know, PWG warrior like tier is going to be short because he has such a physical presence and such charisma that I legitimately feel like I don't think Tony Khan is like, let me see him three years from now doing a main event against Will Ospreay. I think he's like, man, I think that him and Lance Archer would would be better than what I'm putting out on Rampage next week.
00:24:03
Speaker
Oh, I want to see that match now. That sounds good. I mean, because what did I see? Like, I was looking at his, I think, Instagram. How many years has he been wrestling? He's been doing this like 12 years or something, right? He was super young when he started, I think I remember. I mean, was he in high school? He was still in high school, which in West Virginia, you could be in your mid 30s and still be in high school. But I'm sorry. I just I hope we I hope we get there with him.
00:24:32
Speaker
Because I think by the end of next year, I think he if he's not an AEW or WWE, he's pretty far up the card in impact. I mean, that's true. That's absolutely like impact could get him right now. And I think they have the thing I like about impact is they tend to have fun with like vignettes and stories and different like like
00:25:01
Speaker
scenarios for guys and I think they would have a lot of fun.
00:25:05
Speaker
with Beastman. I would watch Impact every week if Beastman brought it. I watch Impact occasionally, but I can't sleep. I don't mean that as a joke, just sometimes I can't sleep. I throw an episode Impact on. I don't know. I'm just... So I will say, by the way, Beastman's cage match page up. So take that with a grain of salt. I wouldn't say that that's like canon. I've got it pulled up. What was that? I have it pulled up as well.
00:25:32
Speaker
It says he's six foot two, which seems short. I think like medium in person, I'm six foot. He felt definitely more than two inches taller than me. So maybe he was still a growing boy. He's just three hundred and ninety four pounds. That part probably sounds about right.
00:25:51
Speaker
Beastman aka Beastman Husk aka Super Beast, Bulldozer, some of his nicknames are the Force of the North, the Man Monster, and the One Man Wrecking Crew. He was trained by Jimmy Valiant amongst others.
00:26:07
Speaker
And yeah, he started wrestling in 2006. He is a 16 year veteran. They have him currently at age 36. So he's actually not far from our age group, which actually kind of bears out with the shirts he wears. That does make sense. Yeah, he's a he's a Brody guy. He likes Ace Ventura. He's. That also, though, he's a little bit old. It does make me wonder if he's more bound for.
00:26:37
Speaker
impact than AW or WWE, although they're really, I mean, AJ, nothing but a number for Beastman. Yeah, true. He's hot. He's new. I'm just scanning who he's he's danced with. Obviously, we know Joey Janela. Charlie Haas, he was in the ring with earlier this summer. I do not know a lot of these guys he's wrestled. I'm not going to lie.
00:27:07
Speaker
I see James Ellsworth in here. Oh, he actually tagged with him. He defeated someone called Super Oprah. Not quite sure what that is. He was on a team with Tim Storm, Josh Alexander against the Good Brothers. It sounds like impact, right?
00:27:32
Speaker
Yeah, speaking of what kind of show is that on? Um, let's, was it MLW? Who? Oh, he was an MLW. This was a Texoma pro two good, good two brothers. Was this a good brother's show? It sounds like it was a good brother's theme show. Northern Georgia. So that's not that far from West Virginia.
00:27:58
Speaker
Cause it looks like Beastman wrestled twice on this show. He opened the show and closed the show. That's my kind of show. The other day, uh, just bring it up.
00:28:12
Speaker
I, the other day I was driving in Nashville in a billboard, like one of the electronic billboards popped up and it basically said, Garrett, impact is here on Friday, please come. And I said, no, thank you. It just felt weird that that was an advertisement for the entire city of Nashville, that there was like impact wrestling is performing in a very small TV studio.
Impact Wrestling Reviews
00:28:40
Speaker
Please somebody come.
00:28:42
Speaker
They do just seem, I mean, when I do check in with impact, everything seems to be going fine. Uh, the show seems enjoyable, but, uh, I can tell you how engaged I am that I'll like watch an episode and then I'll delete it from my DVR for several weeks. And then like a month later, I'll watch another one. What do you think a front row ticket costs currently to an impact show? See front row people go high. I think that front row ticket is.
00:29:14
Speaker
$75. $250 before fees. $250. Yeah. Sweet Lord. Because in New York, we got front row tickets for a taping in 2018 or 19. And I'm pretty sure I paid $35 per. That's how I convinced everyone to go. I was like, guys, it's a Friday night. It's $35. And I think we waited a couple of days to get tickets. Like it was even like, oh, no, the front row tickets will be here whenever you're ready.
00:29:44
Speaker
I've never had a bad time in an impact show. I've honestly had very good times that all the shows I've been to. I've had a bad time in an impact show. Although I've had a worse time in an MLW show. So let's we'll be. But that's just because of how long they are. Is this the. I see this is becoming a running theme, facts. Is this the impact show that you've missed the second half of? No, I wasn't thinking that I actually. Well, I wouldn't say I enjoyed myself.
00:30:13
Speaker
but no, I was just thinking generally, I just don't like impact. You missed the second half of the show because as you were walking to the bathroom, a door opened up and a man peeks out and was like, come here, young boy, look what I've got. And you saw that he had a monopoly board and you hopped in the janitor's closet and had a quick game with him. How did you know?
00:30:44
Speaker
Yeah, he missed he missed a an episode of the TV show that was all cage matches, which truly it's it sounds exciting, but it's really not. It's really one or two hours of cage matches. Well, and to be fair, it was also like.
00:31:01
Speaker
Again, what year would that have been, like 17, 18, something like that? Watching it was earlier, maybe 16? So we only bought tickets because it was heavily rumored that was going to be the last ever impact shows. But by the time we got there, we kind of knew that that wasn't going to be the case.
00:31:20
Speaker
I watching like and that's the absolute nadir of impact, like before, you know, Cyrus and like comes and kind of resuscitates it somewhat like it. That was the absolute worst. So watching two episodes of that with an intermission. So, yeah, I watched the one episode was really mad at myself for even being there. And then me and my friend Adam,
00:31:48
Speaker
intentionally got kicked out. We were basically like, let's just keep doing outrageous things until someone ejects us from the building. And we did, and they did.
00:31:59
Speaker
But then I was back, by the way, like three days later for a concert, the same venue. No problem. They completely got what was happening. They got that we were children acting out because we weren't being entertained at our wrestling show and they were fine with it. No, they were just like, you know, we'll head our separate ways right now. We'll see it tenacious day on Thursday. You can't just gloss over.
00:32:23
Speaker
How did you describe it? Outrageous things. Oh, we were throwing drinks. We were yelling at people. What eventually got us and this this will get you most places was so this is a hammer. Well, no, it wasn't hammer. So it was somewhere in the Manhattan Center. It was the it was like the upper level at the Manhattan Center, I think where they did raw.
00:32:46
Speaker
I think it might have been the same room. I think it's been the one that was smaller than that, because I don't remember them having a balcony. And there they at least had the one balcony still. No, I think there was a little the mini balcony. I think that was the room with the mini balcony. Maybe it was. It was upstairs the minute. It was not Hammerstein, but it was somewhere for those not that don't know that the Manhattan Center is a much larger center. The Hammerstein Ballroom is just the biggest and most famous ballroom within the Manhattan Center. And this was in a smaller place.
00:33:16
Speaker
But it's an indoor venue in Manhattan, as the name would imply. So something that doesn't go even back in 16, 17 is we were really drunk. Nothing else would get us kicked out. So we just walked into the hallway. We did at least leave the main room where everyone was and just lit up cigarettes and started chain smoking.
00:33:39
Speaker
right then and there, indoors, made no attempt to hide it whatsoever. And then the guy came up to us, like expecting us to like hide them and then like, oh, I'm gonna have to give you a talking to and don't do it again. But we just were like, what are you saying? Oh, yep, bish enjoying a fine ultra premium cigarette. You got, oh, you're not allowed to.
00:34:08
Speaker
The hell you say? Listen, asshole, do you want to see Sammy Callahan or not? Pre Sammy Callahan. I think I think facts would have been excited to see Sammy Callahan. He was going to have to watch Bobby Roode work like a second time. Yeah. And at some point, that was a privilege to somebody at NXT.
00:34:30
Speaker
At some point, at some point later on at this point, even with it rumored being the last ever TNA show. And I think it actually, to be fair, it may have been the last TNA shows because that was shortly before. No, they didn't rebrand in fact, I think for a little bit later, but they did have more shows. But even then it was very sparsely attended there. So this was like a three hour show. And I remember.
00:34:57
Speaker
Because each episode was two hours and they recorded both episodes with an intermission in between. So it was close to five hours. I remember literally two things. Jeff Hardy almost died taking a bump from the top of the cage onto the steps. Oh, that was that? Yeah, that was painful. And then our friend Dream got a picture with Gail Kim.
00:35:21
Speaker
Yeah, we were giving him a little bit of a thing where he did not know Gayle Kim would be there and he kinda got a little flustered and we're like, hey Dream, there's like 60 people here. There's a pretty good chance she'll autograph whatever you want and take a picture with her. And she did. Class X. Yeah, very nice lady. That's actually the only,
00:35:47
Speaker
We also almost got kicked out of the Hammerstein at the ROH show because if you watch the 2019 summer ROH show, I don't remember what they called it that was at the Hammerstein, we at this point, no one really cared about ROH. It was basically dead. This is post New Japan MSG show where everyone was like,
00:36:07
Speaker
This was before after the Bucks, the elites last show there after the left and like not that long before the pandemic. Right. We're like, again, the pandemic did not kill our age. Our age was well on the way to dying before the pandemic.
00:36:22
Speaker
Yeah, this was the last New York show that happened before the pandemic. It was very September. Was it December of 19 November? It was the summer. It was sometime in the summer, July or August. The it's the one it's made of vented by the briskos against the gorillas, gorillas, which was great. Very good match. We had made we figured, look, we've purchased tickets for this show. Oh, yeah. And we purchased them early and we realized afterwards we'd way overspent on these tickets. We did not.
00:36:52
Speaker
need to get out in front and purchase tickets to the show. There were many tickets available. We were still buying tickets the way as though Cody and the Bucks were still there.
00:37:02
Speaker
Yeah, we made a mistake. And so we decided to get our money's worth by getting like a flag printed with the podcast logo and like displaying that, cause we had like a belt, like a, there's like a first level just above the floor kind of balcony at the Hammerstein. And we were right there and we're like, oh, we'll just put this thing up and people will see the pot. That'd be great, right? And ROH was not happy.
00:37:30
Speaker
that we were trying to get ourselves some free advertising. Were you sitting on like hard cam side so it was like constantly on camera? No. Or was this just like it was getting flashed once in a while? The balconies are on either other side. So there is none on the hard cam side. Oh crap. I just spilled soda on me. That's okay viewers.
00:37:50
Speaker
But yeah, we, like when the camera, you could definitely see the banner. Like if you go and watch that card, you'll definitely see our banner at some point. But even though we were paying customers, promoting a podcast where we talked about how much we liked ROH, uh, they would have known of that. Yeah. They almost very nearly those, those, uh, those ROH guys, they really knew how to cater to their audience.
00:38:13
Speaker
Well, it's up. It's interesting because it's up for one match. And then there's someone the security comes over and is like, look, like they're telling me we got to do that. We got to tell you to take it down. I'm just saying that maybe if you do it towards the end, they won't have time. Security was basically like main event. Wait for the main event. And so we did that and.
00:38:37
Speaker
We got through the main event and then someone came over and angrily snatched it away from us, the banner, which I had paid like $8 for. I was like, big loss there, guys. Thanks for that one. But they literally, if you rewatch that match, you can kind of tell they're cutting and directing the match to try to avoid the banner.
00:39:00
Speaker
and weird. It's weird. It's weird. People can flash up signs on AW that say whatever, but ROH didn't want someone putting up a podcast flag. I guess that's true. I've never seen signs at an ROH show, but I guess they don't want you to promote it. I don't know. Fuck them. They're gone. Yeah, they're dead now. They got what they deserved.
00:39:26
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. One thing that I definitely wanna talk about this week. So after Beastman War Games, we put on a match that Dave Meltzer had highly rated. We watched the June Kasai El Desperado match. Yeah, Dave Meltzer gave it four and three quarter stars and said, I hated this, but I can't deny how good the work was.
00:39:53
Speaker
Which is an interesting review. Yeah. And I get that. I do. I don't know. I think there are some death matches that people would be able to watch and acknowledge. This was good. I see why people don't like it or why people like it. It's not for me.
00:40:11
Speaker
I feel like this was Meltzer very specifically directing this comment at us. He's like, I bet those guys from predetermined, they'll probably watch Beastman war games and be like, Oh, that was short. We need something else to watch together. Why don't I say something like this? Just to give them something to watch a reason for them to have some fun.
00:40:32
Speaker
It's just, so I'm looking, I did not realize how long that match was. It went 28 and a half minutes. It flies by. It really does. And this is like, this isn't just a, like a standard, like quick death match, couple death match spots. This is kind of one after another, like pretty gnarly shit.
00:40:54
Speaker
I mean, we hit skewers, we hit knives, we go through a barbed wire. Honestly, like the first half of it, it seemed like Despy kind of was practicing in Nashville for what he was going to do with June Kasai a couple months later.
00:41:12
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, and Despy's the one taking almost all of it, right? Like, you say kind of who's Nick Gage and who's the one taking Nick Gage? Like, Jun Kizai was Nick Gage for the overwhelming majority of this match. And Despy honestly looked like a absolute seasoned pro in deathmatch. He looked phenomenal, and he took things that, like, if you had told me
00:41:41
Speaker
like if you went back to that that best of the super junior finals where he lost the match which was like kind of peak new japan despy and you had said the day after that that this was gonna happen
00:41:52
Speaker
I wouldn't have believed that I would have been like, oh, well, I guess he spent an entire year and a half just doing death matches. But like, nope, it's like his second one ever. As far as we know, I think he may have done a couple of things with some of these guys before in Japan. But I mean, he's not a regular death match worker. He's a new Japan junior who does like the occasional death match. And it's pretty incredible. At the end of it, I was like, can we get a Desperado GCW run?
00:42:22
Speaker
Yeah, like we we had joked like I hope he shows up at the Nick Gage Invitational and I don't think this is going to be something he does all the time now, but you know, it's a it's a special occasion. It's really fun to see a guy who's a really good worker.
00:42:40
Speaker
be in one of these matches like especially like I mean this was kind of like watching Zack Ryder do the the Nick Gage match well or like an extreme it wasn't isn't actually a death match by our standards but I think that's part of why everyone loved that Jericho Omega match at the Tokyo Dome a few years ago where it was more ECW in the 90s than current death match but it was still like
00:43:03
Speaker
Oh, my God, two actually good really good Kenny at that point is probably like amongst the greatest years any wrestler has ever had. Right. Like peak of his powers. And it's like just doing a, you know, 97 heat wave, 97 match. Yeah, it was an interesting and it's an interesting goes really hard.
Desperado's Untapped Potential
00:43:27
Speaker
And I come out of it the end just being like,
00:43:30
Speaker
Is New Japan underusing Desperado? Because at the end of it, I'm like, this guy's a big star. He's not just a standard run of the mill guy. It feels like he could be a fairly big player for them.
00:43:46
Speaker
Well, I think the problem is that, like, so again, going back to that match with Hiromu with the mask, and he loses that match, right? But he becomes a star and he does then get a run with the junior title. And he has this, I think the problem with New Japan is they view the junior division as just as big or just below the heavyweight division. And in a lot of ways, like the way they book kind of back set up. But the reality is it's just not a division. It hasn't been.
00:44:14
Speaker
So I feel like that's where it's like they would say, no, Despy got everything. And I mean, being junior champions, just as good as being heavyweight champion. And I think they mean it legitimately, but it's like, but the reality is New Japan, there just hasn't been compelling matches. And unfortunately, keeping to this weight division structure exacerbates the issue because it's like you got fresh match-ups for a guy like Despy right here, right there.
00:44:40
Speaker
but they don't do it. And they're like, nope, he's gonna go against show again. That's being show again. Honestly, you might, I think you are describing why he's never caught my eye. He's not typically wrestling guys that I'm super interested in seeing. And I mean, this completely, I mean, I guess it started in Nashville, but between Nashville and this, like my view of him has completely changed.
00:45:14
Speaker
Like you said, a GCW run, him coming to the United States and having a run of some of the NDs and getting to see different match-ups, I would absolutely watch that, and I'm excited. I do think you guys might be thinking a little too small though, right? Because you're just talking about Nashville, and I feel like it's right there. Yeah, he can do a bunch of death matches in GCW, and that would be phenomenal. But if we're going to really make him a star, why not have him kill Ric Flair?
00:45:35
Speaker
and I definitely see myself going out of my way to watch more of his matches.
00:45:40
Speaker
How do you work that match? Because I, but only it's Ric Flair that he's dropping on, you know, cutting board with knives in it and shit like that. I promise you, like Despy's got that young, that young skin. It's still tight on his body. You throw Ric Flair on a pile of knives. I don't want to see the pile of goo that lays in its wake right there. Just like, it becomes just, just fucking mush.
00:46:11
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Gross. Man, either way, that was, that was a fun match. I, any of our listeners, I, if you're listening to this, I promise you, you will enjoy that match. And it's not easy to find. Um, I don't know if you like, we didn't talk about how we acquired it, but like, I don't know. Japan gave it to us for free because we are reporters.
00:46:35
Speaker
Yeah, we got the screener. By the way, Aaron Judge just hit his 60th home run of the year live as we're recording. It's on a show called Takataichi Despimania. Takataichi Despimania, if you don't get New Japan sending you the completely legitimate leaps like we do, I don't know how else you'd find it. I'm sure somebody will post it somewhere that you can find it. It is absolutely worth checking out. And Aaron Judge is really good at hitting baseballs.
00:47:04
Speaker
I think eventually, because I think the last one they did put up a few months later. So I think eventually it'll be free on New Japan World is not free, but part of the New Japan World subscription as well at some point.
00:47:16
Speaker
Um, maybe that's, we got it. Maybe we have to just go back and just watch all of the various like Taka Tai Chi shows. Maybe that's what we really need in our lives. Well, and by the way, and just to be clear, cause I remember I knew this was a Taka Tai Chi show. I could knew about the match and you with the Meltzer reading going in, but I didn't really look it up. This is like a pretty big venue. Like there's a good amount of people here. It is a big professional venue. This is not like.
00:47:40
Speaker
This is not like Boonton, New Jersey, Oaks Lodge type thing. They sold it out, too. Yeah, it looked like they were in like a big sumo hall. Yeah, I think it was about 3000 people, I believe. I know we looked it up at time. I think it was 3000. Something like that. Yeah. I think it was like two thousand nine hundred and fifty four is the number that's in my head. So, yeah, yeah. And they loved it. And it was it is the main event and it delivers for sure.
00:48:09
Speaker
I thought it was for me, it was a little bit too much at times, I'll be honest. But that's what death matches do sometimes, you know? I'm not a fan of the knives, I will say. That is one of my lines with death matches where I'm just like, not really loving those moments.
00:48:26
Speaker
There's just, it's, there's too much that can go wrong. And even if you get the results you're looking for, it's still like a little, a little too much. I mean, I'm sure there has to be some sort of trick there. Cause it's typically knives sit in what appear to be blade up. Like, you know, not pointy side going straight up, but you're landing, landed on the blade as it's in like styrofoam. I don't know. There.
00:48:51
Speaker
There's just, I saw one that went really wrong in GCW. It was Oren Vite versus, fuck, it was one of the guys in Japan. And the knife just went like right into his back to the point that he reached back, pulled a knife out of like his kidney area and they called the match off. And I stopped death matches for a few months, but you just can't keep me away for too long. Did either of you guys watch anything else this week that
00:49:20
Speaker
that caught your eye or? Well, I know you, you said you saw the clash at the castle, right? Yeah. I, um, I was really only interested in seeing the Walter Seamus match.
Sheamus vs. Walter Match
00:49:33
Speaker
I had, I think I read that it was one of like four matches that Meltzer had given five stars to in WWE this year. And it did not surprise me that Walter could get a five star match, but
00:49:48
Speaker
I feel like Seamus isn't a name that you associate with five star matches. Yeah. I mean, but that's, when I think Seamus as like a worker, I think of that series he did with Cesaro where it kind of completely changed how he thought about it. And I remember when,
00:50:06
Speaker
I was at a show at the Rosemont Horizon. I think it was the show where it was Orton Brock II after SummerSlam. It could have been a different show like a year earlier, a year later, but they did that match again too. They did Seamus and Cesaro one-on-one dark match, Rosemont Horizon, and it was like brilliant. It was phenomenal.
00:50:32
Speaker
What was, was that like a best of seven series or something like that? So they did a best of seven series and those two guys kept working each other's singles on the road, leading into it during the series and for a couple months afterwards. And then that led directly into their tag run where they won a bunch of tag titles. But the series was first, but they probably wrestled each other.
00:50:57
Speaker
You know, seven times on TV and pay-per-view, but I mean, they must have wrestled each other like in 20 plus minute matches every night for, you know, like three weeks, three times a weekend for months for like half a year. Yeah.
00:51:15
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I guess now that you mentioned that, yeah, I do remember there was a very good Seamus stretch there. But yeah, this was really good. This was really good. And seeing them do that in such a packed venue for the IC title.
00:51:31
Speaker
I love seeing a good IC title match. That is one of my favorite WWE titles for sure. And those two, like Sheamus being so pale works so well in Walter's favor. It just makes the match feel that much more realistic when you're seeing this very pale guy just starting to welt up and then seeing like, it's just getting bloody. And I mean, they beat the shit out of each other. This was one of the stiffest WWE matches I've seen in a while. I don't know.
00:52:01
Speaker
since what the last one would be. It almost seems like cheating. Like, what color is Seamus's chest at the end?
00:52:09
Speaker
It still wasn't as bad as PCOs. It's Spring Break 2. And I do have to say, you talk about the Icy title because there's really kind of two different Icy titles, right? There's the Icy title has been the workers title for like it was the Brett title. It was the Mr. Perfect title. Then it's also been the Warrior title, right? The title of the guy that's on his way. And maybe this is going to be optimistic about Tony Khan with having too many titles. It's like, I have always hoped and at times it looked like he was trying to make
00:52:38
Speaker
the TNT title, the workers title, but it really hasn't been. It really is kind of like, especially with the Wardlow right now, it seems like it's the not quite main event, but he's on his way and we need to give a title. I'm hoping this all Atlantic title, which makes an absolutely no sense. Otherwise, maybe with Pac and the way they've been, they've been using it. I think maybe that could be the AEW equivalent of the workers title. Obviously the peer championship had kind of been that to some degree, a little bit different.
00:53:06
Speaker
ROH, ROH TV title at times had been that. Obviously the IC title, the US title during SmackDown 6 era. So I love that maybe we're finally getting that workers title in AEW. I think it's long overdue. I think you're missing at the facts. There's a third version of the IC title and that's the Road Dogg version.
00:53:29
Speaker
just big pop. We've just get we've given up and this is a mid Carter's belt. We just we got to give him something.
Intercontinental Title Evolution
00:53:37
Speaker
I think that's really that is belong to that as well. I was going to say that transitions into the Dolph Ziggler era. But you're also then totally ignoring errors of the road dog because you know continental champion arrow road dog that is him in this worker pants on.
00:53:54
Speaker
They were very big pants. They were huge pants. I don't even remember this IC title run. It was like 1999 Russo, so I think he only held the title for like two weeks. Well, then I'm going to watch those two matches.
00:54:11
Speaker
I think that was when they were pushing the one Billy Gunn as bigger than Icy. Like right when he's like challenging like the rock and stuff. And then they're like, well, I guess the road dog is Icy Champion while Billy Gunn becomes a main eventer. And then of course they were back as the new hit was pretty soon after.
00:54:29
Speaker
Yeah, Garrett, just just turn turn turn the Walter off on the peacock and as many commercials as you need to watch, just watch all of the Road Dog matches. Just 1999 raw. Just figure out when he won the title to start there. Well, he probably was the Russo era. So while Chris and I are referring to the the Road Dogs Icy title run, he was probably a four time champion over six episodes of raw.
00:54:58
Speaker
Let's see what comes up on Peacock when I, Road Dog. Do we tell your remote you need to add to second G? Yeah, otherwise it's just trying to get me to watch Road to Eldorado. Well, not a bad flick. Fucking Peacock. It's got a best of Walter matches, but now it won't send me to Road Dog? No, yeah, sorry, we're talking about Road Dog.
00:55:27
Speaker
Worker belts. Oh, just we were we were talking about what else we watched. So you watched that match. Sounds like you had a good time. You'd recommend it. I know I am looking forward to catching that entire card at some point. I didn't watch anything. I did listen to you know, I've been way behind on podcasts going all the way back to when I was in Asia for a month.
00:55:49
Speaker
and didn't listen to any. So I listened to a bunch of podcasts from the last three months, including I finally listened to The Talk is Jericho with Goldberg. That was just kind of... Did either of you guys listen to that one? No. Well, we know Derek had to have, right? Yeah.
00:56:06
Speaker
Um, it was, uh, it was weird because Goldberg is kind of still a total dick about everything. He was a dick about, but it keeps being like, but you and me, Jericho, we're old timers. We're good buddies.
00:56:19
Speaker
And it's really confusing because he keeps talking about what an asshole he was and how he didn't know that much. Yet he also, in the same breath, seems to back up that he would do it exactly the same way. Do they address the fact that they hated each other at times?
00:56:39
Speaker
they did and they both kind of played it up as though that that was a little played up and it did seem like legitimately and Jericho's kind of been candid about this that like Goldberg barely knew who he was Jericho had thought of he would Goldberg and then Goldberg got pissed off one dime at Jericho and that was kind of about it and he had a good point that like they did even in their WWE runs they kind of mended some fences um
00:57:03
Speaker
It's a good, it's, if you're gonna listen to Bill Goldberg on a podcast, this is the one to listen to, I would say. But let me throw a question to you guys. Jericho asks many of his guests, he did ask his Goldberg, and Goldberg did answer, and I'll practice it by saying, you've definitely seen the match.
Goldberg's Career Reflections
00:57:25
Speaker
Yeah, he's referencing. When he says,
00:57:29
Speaker
There were two matches he said were kind of like the peak of his run. Can you name either? Actually, let's go. There's three matches. Two matches that were his two favorite matches. And then one match that he said was like the peak of his run, not his favorite match, but he thought was really well booked and a great part of the storyline.
00:57:54
Speaker
And all of them has to be Hogan, right? So one of them's Hogan in the Georgia Dome. That's the easy one. Is that the one that was really well booked or is that one of his favorite matches? That was his first favorite match. The next one is the one he considers his greatest match. And then the last one is the one that he thought was really well booked and definitely did not in any way contribute to the demise of WCW.
00:58:19
Speaker
Oh, so is one of them, well, I think, well, you've given away the other one, which is, it's the Nash match? It's the Nash match with the prod. He thought he would, no notes, wouldn't change a thing, right match, right time, right booking decision. He's very firm about that. And then the other one, by the way, isn't like ridiculous, but is just, I'm curious what you think. The other one is the movie Santa's sleigh that he thought was part of wrestling as well.
00:58:49
Speaker
I mean, I'm going to guess the DDP match at Halloween Havoc. It was the DDP match. Yeah. Where he said that, and he said he thought it was good because he followed DDP's instructions very explicitly, but he kept forgetting things with the exception that, and I quote, he told Paige that he would not spear him 14 times.
00:59:10
Speaker
That was the actual direction. At that point, no one had survived a single spear. Every single person that had been speared had been pinned clean. But Paige, Paige's original pitch was for him to get speared 14 times in that.
00:59:25
Speaker
I will say it's great for an old timer and great for those of us that watched Goldberg matches after 1998 to know that he completely peaked there. Nothing good has happened afterwards and he's just been wasting our time for decades.
00:59:42
Speaker
The only thing I will say is I've always said, I actually will kind of defend Nash beating Goldberg. I won't defend how they did it, and nor will I defend the NWO reuniting thing, which I think was a disaster. But people kind of forget how over Nash was and how the streak kind of needed to end to move the Goldberg character forward. And I actually think picking Nash was not the worst idea.
01:00:08
Speaker
Yeah, no, I think I agree. Nash, I think when you go back to Nash was the only guy like I'm not saying he was he was literally the only choice. Right. The problem was how they did it with the cattle prod and then you immediately go into the finger poke.
01:00:24
Speaker
right? Which you literally go from you finally get this new star over in Goldberg and yeah they had the candy thing but Goldberg was really fucking over by the time he got the title off of Hogan and he was still really over when they got the title off London Ash and the fact that you go from organically over babyface Goldberg to the finger poke of doom in two weeks like that's pretty indefensible that like oh yeah that had nothing to do with the creative
01:00:54
Speaker
crapping out of WCW. What happened? It's weird. I don't remember anything that Goldberg did after losing with the Taser. Was it shortly after that that he punched the glass out? And I think it is. I think it's not long after that that the glass punch thing happens and that totally fucks everything up.
01:01:14
Speaker
Yeah, I wouldn't see him for months. And that did lead to a I think he was at an uncensored. It was a headline him against Scott Hall with like a taser on a pole match. That was fine. But yeah. Poor Goldberg.
01:01:34
Speaker
And he was a prick, right? I think, but, but it is what kind of an interesting, what if we're like, he obviously did obviously get a run in WWE, like shortly after his, his, his heyday, but like he didn't miss some of that time. He dealt with a lot of, a lot of shit, you know, like where I think he deserved it because he's a prick, but.
01:01:59
Speaker
He definitely dealt with some shit. For sure. For sure. WCW was not a fun place to work at that point. I mean, you know, nobody ate a bunch of muffins and punched people, but, you know, right. It was difficult. I will say, speaking of that, I posted it on our Instagram, but a friend of the show, Jesse Krakow,
01:02:24
Speaker
who we go way back with when we used to do a live wrestling show in New York, who when he did it an entire he did he did an entire reimagining of the Hulk Hogan album from the 90s. That is one of the most insane and wonderful things I've ever heard. And to be clear for anyone, Jesse is an actual, legitimate professional musician. He's not like a wrestling fan that messes around on his computer. Like he is a full time working musician. So it's good, too. That's the other thing.
01:02:55
Speaker
Yeah, and so he did a song that he just released called The Cult of Mindy's Bakery, which is a parody of cult of personality about CM Punk eating muffins and drinking spinny, which I'm doing right now, because you know me, I'm the best in the world. And it's delightful. You can go find it on his band camp. It's only 50 cents, but it's hilarious and you should listen to it. It made me laugh. It is definitely worth your time.
01:03:27
Speaker
That was very good. So last week, we ended on a voicemail from Derek. And he wasn't happy that I didn't show up last week. And I believe he said, if I show up this week, he sends me nude photographs. That's accurate. Have you received those photographs yet?
01:03:51
Speaker
Well, I mean, he hasn't heard the episode yet to know that I showed up, but he has to send those, right? Like, I mean, he's at the game tonight. I actually texted him while we were recording to let him know to make with the goods.
01:04:06
Speaker
Okay, I better get those, and I have a feeling he isn't going to come through on those. I've known Derek a long time, and he doesn't just Willy Nilly send dick pics around, so I feel like I'm gonna have to go to court with him over this. This isn't Willy Nilly, this was a promise to our listeners. And now, I don't know if he has to go fully nude. I think he could do the Shawn Michaels. I think as long as we can tell what kind of pox he has, if he has any, that's the level of nudity we would require.
01:04:35
Speaker
I don't need full frontal. I just I do need full rectal ball. I think the other question is, we know that Derek shaved his face recently. Did he shave anywhere else? That's true. Or is he overcompensating? Right. No hair on the face. So he's really letting it out everywhere. He's George the animal steel everywhere else. Yeah, it's actually a ponytail down there.
01:05:05
Speaker
He's a Captain Lou. He has the rubber band. George, the animal steel match day. That's why he was in my mind. He was. And I dreamed about him like usual.
01:05:26
Speaker
I know we're getting shorter than Chris. I hope you enjoy yourself with Tom at grand slam. I will, but on the plus side, lemons out a lemonade. Maybe Aaron judge hits his 61st and 62nd home run during grand slam. And I can multi-screen it, which I undoubtedly would not be able to do with the bandwidth in Flushing Meadows with 20 something thousand AEW fans all posting to the Instagrams.
01:05:51
Speaker
So you will be seeing every single title defended. All of the trio titles getting defended.
01:05:59
Speaker
Okay, everything but that. Is there, what match are you most looking forward to? Like you're seeing a lot, like this is stacked for a Wednesday night. Although can we, can we just, before we, you get into that, I'd also love to get into that. And then I'd love to do, is it more stacked than last time though? I don't know that it is. I think that there's an argument to be made either way. I don't think it's definitely better than last year's grand slam. Although I would say last year's grand slam is easily was the best wrestling card of the year.
01:06:27
Speaker
I have a boring answer for this one, which is it's Moxley and Danielson. I'm very excited for that. I love both guys. They're going to get to wrestle each other. It does feel like
01:06:40
Speaker
And listeners, you'll know more. You'll be like future me when you listen to this. But it does seem, feel like they may be doing something with MJF here. And that could be really interesting as well. So I'm just very interested to see where they go with that. Feels like it could be a classic, feels like it could be a classic moment as well.
01:07:01
Speaker
I want to see what they do there. But yeah, the whole show from top to bottom looks really good. Last year was kind of, I think people maybe have already forgotten how amazing Daniel said an Omega was and how excited we all were for that moment. And the Bucks and Adam Cole, right? Like that was on Rampage. That was the Bucks and Adam Cole on Rampage.
01:07:24
Speaker
They main evented the show with Mox and Kingston against Suzuki and Archer and 20,000 people were chanting Eddie Kingston's name like 20 minutes from where he grew up.
01:07:38
Speaker
It was pretty amazing. Last year was a pretty, I thought, amazing experience in terms of a wrestling show.
Anticipation for AEW Grand Slam
01:07:45
Speaker
So they have a lot to talk, but I'm curious to see if they can. So I saw that they've already passed a million dollar house on this one. Tony Khan is promising some surprises we don't know about.
01:07:57
Speaker
Well, there's a big battle royal, right? So they didn't have that last year. There's a battle royal. It's unclear. It sounds like because they said that there's a specific date and time that we're not sharing in advance. So it sounds like to me the battle royal winner, I think, will get the shot before MJF unless there's some MJF Tom Foolery where he gets involved at Grand Slam itself. So that'll be interesting because that that feels like a spot where
01:08:25
Speaker
you know, you could introduce somebody and make for a really interesting match against either Mox or Danielson. Or, I mean, is Adam Colbeck? Including Adam Colbeck. It doesn't have to be a new guy, right? It could be somebody returning. He won't be very excited for this week. It's so nice to have like a midweek pay-per-view, essentially. And then, I guess I'll probably tune into Rampage as well. Oh, for sure. If you tell me I should.
01:08:56
Speaker
I will let you know, Garrett. Thank you. Appreciate it. And I'm excited. Again, I I grew up like spending a lot of time there because I actually worked at the U.S. Open when I was in high school. So it's really kind of surreal for me to like walk into that place to watch professional wrestling. It's really strange and kind of odd and delightful. And it's also actually a pretty good venue for wrestling, really the only downside
01:09:24
Speaker
is that there is a kind of a big sweet level after the sort of the court side. So there's a lot of seats that are a bit elevated, but they're really good seats in the sense that you're right over the ring. You have a good view. So I'm excited that they're doing this again, that they're making this a tradition. I'm excited to do it. Maybe next year, Fax will be back if he has not contracted another pox.
01:09:46
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. It's expensive. It's fun. I'm excited. Super excited. I'm excited. We're going to get to probably go to a pay-per-view in two months.
01:09:55
Speaker
One thing. And by the way, that's this is just a big iron judge in the 60th home run. All every New York sports team, all one on Sunday for the first time since 2009. The Yankees and Mets both look like they're making the playoffs. The Jets and Giants, both one Giants or two and oh, we've got grand slam coming up this week. Everyone takes tickets, go on sale for the pay per view in Newark this week. It's just there's a lot. There's a lot of love in the tri state region.
01:10:24
Speaker
right now. It did just hit me. The predetermined at least someone from predetermined is going to end up attending four out of five AW pay-per-view shows this year. If you count Grand Slam, it seems like maybe five out of six, assuming I make it there. Let's not let's not count me down here. We just we just missed double or nothing. No one got to Vegas. But other than that, well, good year. Good year. Good year wrestling.
01:10:50
Speaker
We could start next year with, I read, so I don't know if this is 100% confirmed, but I saw that it is rumored that Revolution was gonna be in the Cow Palace in February or March. I'm always up for a trip to San Francisco. I'm out there not infrequently. I could certainly negotiate my work schedule to conveniently be there around then.
01:11:14
Speaker
I don't know. I went to the New Japan. What was it like G1 Supercard or Super Show there? And that was that was a fun place to be. That was just there's some wrestling venues that it just feels like it needs to be checked off the bucket list. And I remember when you and I separately went, but we met up at the G1 first ever night of the actual G1 climax tournament in Dallas. And that's always fun when we meet up for shows that it's a it's a home show for nobody.
01:11:41
Speaker
Right. We're all the same. We're all going back to the hotel. It just kind of adds a little spice to it because it feels a little bit more like a trip, whereas we all go to Chicago all the time that Chicago. We love it. It feels like a second home. But but it doesn't it doesn't feel like, you know, a real trip anymore. They know me at the IHOP now. It's in Hoffman Estates. It's yeah. It's not really much of a vacation.
01:12:06
Speaker
It's because you swing around that colostomy bag every time you go inside. It's not chocolate syrup. Nobody's going to tell me how to live, okay? I'm singing bah-wah-tah-bah and I'm watching Sandman matches like a rock star.
01:12:29
Speaker
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01:13:16
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01:13:46
Speaker
Yeah. Well, it's with the goddamn Alex.