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S4 E13: Tom‘s O Face!
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One of our longest episodes ever!!! Covering News like the Peacemaker tv-series and how crap Red Hood's helmet looks in Titans S3, our Trailer Trash takes on a journey through Spiderman: No Way Home, Bond: No Time to Die, The Kings Man and numerous video game trailers, and we settle in to a couple of chunky Spotlight segments: the universe that is Dune; and video game protagonists who are really crap at their day job! Settle in folks, it's a long one, but boy is it jam-packed with a veritable deathclaw wellington's worth of content!
Beers reviewed this episode:
1) Garage Project - Block Party: Waghorn A - NEIPA - 6.2% 2) Deeds Brewing - Pomona's Harvest - Sour - 7.7% 3) Bracket Brewing - Blackberry & Vanilla - Sour - 8.4% 4) Akasha Brewing - Water Buffalo - Brown Ale - 6.0% 5) Batch Brewing - Hazy Pale - New England Pale - 4.0% 6) Deeds Brewing - Knock on Wood - Pilsner - 5.9% 7) Moon Dog - Magic EyePA - American IPA - 7.0% 8) Batch Brewing - Beastie Boysenberry - Sour - 4.6% 9) Duncan's Brewing - Toasty Marshmellow - Imperial Stout (Pastry) - 10.8% 10) Hop Nation - Jawbone Saltbush & Oyster - Stout (Oyster) - 6.3% 11) Tallboy & Moose - Nitro Moose Mousse - Stout (Milk) - 5.5%
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Transcript
Welcome & Episode Introduction
00:00:29
Speaker
And we're back. Welcome back to pixels and pints. This is, uh, episode, what do we say? 13 lucky 13. How excitement. Um, let's hope our computers don't all explode at once. Uh, tonight we're going to be drinking a whole bunch of beers and talking our usual shenanigans and absolute crap. Uh, tonight we have Peter. Howdy. And we have Daniel.
00:00:54
Speaker
Hello. I don't know who Daniel is. No, neither do I. I don't know why I do that. It's my little brother. My little brother's name is Daniel. I think my grandmother ever called me Daniel and she's no longer with us, so. There you go. Maybe I was seancing. What a stunt. I'm not fucking hell, Tom. At least I didn't say she was dead. I just said she was no longer with us.
00:01:14
Speaker
And then Tom said maybe he was seance-ing. Yeah, maybe. It's the 13th episode, the spooky episode. So we're not doing anything spooky of. And I think we're going to go right into drinking beers.
Beer Tasting Session
00:01:36
Speaker
What are we all drinking?
00:01:37
Speaker
Someone's sports. I haven't had one today and I want to drink this whole one. So drink yourself. What are you drinking? This is block party from garage project. I'm just going to adjust this light so I can actually read it. And now I'm going to have to adjust the microphone as well. Um, it is a New Zealand IPO. I still can't read it.
00:02:04
Speaker
No, I'm not even going to try and pronounce that. The Waghorn A. Waghorn A? Oh, Waghorn A. Yeah, no, it was something in the top line that's written really small. So it's got Southern Cross, there's a hop list, Southern Cross, Machuaka and Raquel. Okay. R-A-K-A-U. Yeah, Raquel.
00:02:29
Speaker
Okay, there we go. I thought I'd heard people saying that. Yeah, so it's a New Zealand IPA. It's 6.2%. It's a part of a new series or something like that. No, it's all blown out. Pete will have to put a photo up. It's really nice. It's got a really...
00:02:44
Speaker
Melanie sort of start to the hop character and then it rolls through some, uh, some, some juicier characters, sort of very light bodied, but very heavily hazy as well. Um, it's going to say it looks hazy. It's, um, so that block party series is pretty cool. It's pretty sure they take it. They got the one hop farm and each block party release is
00:03:07
Speaker
from taken from that one section of that farm. So they're actually moving around the hop farm as they release each one. So I've done a few sort of swap parties now. That's a really good idea. So it's like a single vineyard release for most good wineries will do a single vineyard release. That's what the top line says. I can't quite read the second word. Oh, it says the rotating. Now that I know what it says, I can read it.
00:03:35
Speaker
The rotating single block, New Zealand IPA. There you go. It's quite small and it's very dark in here. And I only knew what the hops were because I read it earlier.
00:03:48
Speaker
It's got a really interesting hop profile. It's really nice, but quite different to a lot of the American hop juice bombs, Neepers. So it should be with the New Zealand hops. No, it's got that nice sort of melony, whiny sort of character to it, but still a lot of fruit character. It's nice. Really nice.
00:04:09
Speaker
Peter, what are you drinking? Sweet. I am drinking Pomona's Harvest by Deeds Brewing, which is an interesting, I don't know if that's reversed for you guys or not. It is for me. It is a double fruited cream sour at 7.7%, which is why I have short poured myself, but I suspect I'll get impatient, pour the rest of it and end up getting pissed. Double fruited cream sour. So it's got lactose or something in it, doesn't it?
00:04:37
Speaker
I'm not sure we pay our homage or our homage to both Pomona and Demeter by adding copious amounts of apricot, raspberry and lime into a delectable malt beverage of offering up humbly for your consumption. May this sweet nectar remind you of days spent in the orchards anticipating the harvest and celebrations to come. Hops is Citra and additions, apricot, raspberry, vanilla, lime and lactose.
00:05:07
Speaker
In terms of flavour prep, a lot of lime on the nose and a little bit of apricot. Apricot's quite a difficult smell for me, I think. It's high, I find it hard to tease out in a scent.
00:05:22
Speaker
Apricots just reminds me of, that's a new one for you Pete. Yeah, that's a good one. But that new vernacular. That is, that is a special beer. It's surprisingly not that sour at all. Like I quite often say it's not mouthpuckeringly sour, but this is, this is really light sourness, even for a kettle. Um, but yeah, creamy baby.
00:05:48
Speaker
The mouth felt like it is creamy. That's certainly true, but you get mostly apricot and just a little bit of the acidity from the lime. That's a spectacular fucking sour, I've got to say. I might have to see if I can source that one out. I really like apricot in a lot of things. I just think of just beers in, I love fucking apricot pies.
00:06:10
Speaker
It's just one of those rare things that you'd never get. A cherry, a good cherry pie, go to the fucking Blue Mountains and get a good cherry pie and get a good apricot pie and they're fucking awesome. When you get it in things like beers and that and it's done well, I really like apricot. I really like seeing you so passionately for pies.
00:06:30
Speaker
Well, see, I don't have a sweet tooth, so I don't eat lollies and things like that. I really go for savory, savory sweet stuff. So when, when I find a really good, oh, Louise hates it when we go on holiday, especially when we've gone to the UK and that previously, I fucking stop at every village because I have to try their, like their local apple pie or their local scones or something like that. Whatever it is that these people do.
00:06:58
Speaker
Yeah, whatever these people say they make the best of when you get into the, whatever's in the front window of the local cafe or the local restaurant when you pull into a little village. I have to get it and I fucking make myself sick on them all the time on holidays.
00:07:13
Speaker
When we went to Switzerland, we went to, uh, when we were in, uh, Gothenburg, they make, I think I showed you, Pete, it was on the podcast. Oh, was it? And the fucking cinnamon. It took me two days to eat it, but I still ate the whole thing. And yeah, that's, that's how far my, uh, my obsession with savory, sweet stuff goes.
00:07:34
Speaker
Well, I'll tell you what, this drinks like tropical fruit juice, but without, you know, the natural tropical fruit juice where it's not just all fucking sugar. That's pretty much spot on what it tastes like. You certainly get a little bit of the the Citra through when you get a little bit of orange. Anyway, Tom, what are you drinking, mate?
00:07:53
Speaker
I am having the Blackberry and Vanilla Sour from Bracket Brewing. This was their collab with One Drop for their first birthday. They did four beers released for that, so I went and got the four of them last week.
00:08:11
Speaker
It's probably similar, I reckon, in terms of flavouring to, not in terms of the fruit, but in the creaminess coming through as a pizza, but doesn't have any lactose in it, but does have a really healthy vanilla kind of flavour coming through. Heaps of that.
00:08:27
Speaker
light sour from the blackberries. Knowing one drop, and I did just look it up, it is 100 grams of blackberry per can. They love to heavily fruit any sour that they're involved with.
00:08:48
Speaker
Yeah, it's got that last little bit of sweetness to balance the sour, but the sour still takes over. It's up there. It's an Imperial sour. It's 8.4. I've started with a bang. We're just going to start flying. I think we're all going to be pretty pissy by the end. Dan, you said yours was like 6.5%? 6.2. Yeah, right.
DC Universe Updates
00:09:06
Speaker
Mine's 7.7. I'm halfway through mine already.
00:09:10
Speaker
Yeah. It's going to be a fun episode. Cool. Shall we get on with some news? Let's jump into some news. I like news. I just realised I've brought up the run sheet that Tom sent through and I've brought up the blank one. Yeah. I emailed you an updated copy. So, piecemaker. So after the success slash value of Suicide Squad, it's smashing box office records at the moment. The Suicide Squad? Is it The Suicide Squad? Which one? It is. It is The Suicide Squad, the new one.
00:09:39
Speaker
I knew you meant the new one. I just didn't know whether I didn't know which one was which. Yeah. So, and this is, it's a kind of a, I don't know what to say here. Actually, we might have to bleep all this out. It's an advanced spoiler, but for a piece of information that we don't know yet.
00:10:00
Speaker
Okay. It's hit social media, so everybody knows they're making a Peacemaker spin-off. So Peacemaker's one of the characters in the Suicide Squad and they're doing a spin-off series. Played by John Cena.
00:10:15
Speaker
played by John Cena. In his toilet seat helmet. Shiny toilet seat helmet he gets referred to. But he's getting his own HBO Max TV series. And you've mentioned quite a few pieces of information from DC fandom, October 16th, which is coming up. There's a whole bunch of stuff that I kind of glossed over because there's no real information beyond. They're going to talk about some stuff. They're going to have some first shots from Batman.
00:10:42
Speaker
I think it's going to be a new new trailer for the new Batman. Yep. I reckon I saw totally off topic. Let's roll. OK. OK. It was a comment on the Batman. And that's it. That's too deep a hole to go on. So. So there's going to be some new Batman footage, which may or may not set Dan off again. We don't know. It's like simply got a landmine and just lifting up. Is he going to do it? No, he's not.
00:11:11
Speaker
And then they'll reckon they'll show some flash, whatever else has got coming out. I must say, actually, I watched Tenet for the first time last night, speaking of Patterson. I hadn't seen it, whether or not I'm late or early, depends on the perception.
00:11:30
Speaker
Oh yeah. So you wouldn't see what you've done there. Yeah. It was quite well done. His performance in that has actually kind of pushed me over onto him. I reckon he's going to make a sick Batman. It really impressed me in that. I'm like, I never really saw him in the, in Twilight. I think the only thing I've really seen him in was Harry Potter.
00:11:48
Speaker
I'm gonna watch that lighthouse. He's not in Harry Potter for much, is he? He's in a movie or two. Cedric. And then he dies. He doesn't stand out as a memorable character. Well, he does. He's a memorable character.
00:12:05
Speaker
Okay. Yeah. I don't remember him, so I beg to differ. I'm not going to get into a big Hogwarts rant, but I could, you know, he's significant in the Goblet of Fire book and movie. But yes, his performance. I know who you're talking about and I know what storyline you're talking about. I just, yeah. I do now.
00:12:25
Speaker
In my mind, that's by far the best Harry Potter too, by the way. Yeah, Goblet of Fire. Totally fucking agree. Totally fucking agree. Oh, okay. Good. I'm not an outlier on that one then. No, no, no. We might all be on the same spectrum. Who knows? Tom? It does not. But yeah, no, he's really won me over and I'm excited to see him as Batman now. I reckon he's going to do a sick job.
00:12:45
Speaker
I do want to watch that lighthouse thing that him Willem Dafoe does, but I want to get baked and watch it. I think that's the best way to go. Yeah. I think that's the design. Have you seen the picture of him in the lighthouse that someone recolored or they say it's a color photo and it's him in the Mario overalls? I love it. You should look it up, Pete. It's really good. It brings very immense pleasure. Yeah. Yeah. Me too.
00:13:10
Speaker
So, uh, and then, yeah, I reckon they're going to show some black Adam that might get a trailer for that. The rock being an angry Egyptian demigod. Um, and then flash, hopefully see some red eyed Batman flashpoint. Um, dual wielding. I'm not sure if they're ready yet.
00:13:31
Speaker
I'm not sure if they're at a point where, because they haven't finished principal photography, so unless it's just a single kind of teaser shot. I reckon we'll get Keaton. We'll get a 10 second flash of Keaton in the suit saying something because he's filmed already. That seems to be the thing that they're pushing at the moment in a lot of the interviews and a lot of the social media stuff that's come up about the flash isn't about the fucking flash, it's about
00:14:00
Speaker
Michael, Michael Keaton returning as Batman and they filmed and he's been quite vocal or quite open about saying how it was filming it and getting back into the suit and that. So I reckon that's, if they don't, that's a enormous thing that they've missed. Yeah. Cause that'll, I mean, people will tune in for a 10 second flash. Oh, sorry. A 10 second flash of Michael Keaton back in the fucking Batman. So even if it's just him,
00:14:30
Speaker
in front of the fucking monitors in his fucking chair and swivels, swivels or turns it around. And it's old Michael Keaton in the fucking Burton Batman cave. A little dance Batman Batman's head of Lance. If it's just that, like if it's 10 seconds of just him turning, even if it doesn't get to a fucking front shot of him, like that's yeah.
00:14:52
Speaker
A huge opportunity. 100%. And then going on from that speaking all things DC, there's a new animated coming out, which is going to be based on injustice and that little universe they've created there between the game. And there's a, there's a, there's a comic book about it around it as well. And that comes out the weekend after so that DC fan in October 16th is Saturday. So that, um,
00:15:19
Speaker
Sorry, that sale is really making me salivate. You know, when you have sale lollies, it's like, wow. So it's October 19th. So it's a couple of days after the fandom. I'm looking forward to that. I love the injustice comics and the sequel arc of comics as well. I've talked about them extensively on the podcast a long time ago. So, yeah, that'd be awesome. Just one last thing on DC. Sorry, Tom, if you've ever finished along there. Yeah, I was just making
00:15:48
Speaker
um tight in season three have you guys seen um red hood's helmet yes oh my god it's the shittest version of red hood that they they could have possibly made he looks like a fucking alien like it's just it it reminded me of some another oh
00:16:08
Speaker
It's a bad sci-fi robot head. It's the seam at the mouth and how they've moulded the upper part of the helmet to be really wide. I'll put it up on screen for anyone watching on YouTube. It looks fucking terrible. It reminds me of the Necrons from Warhammer 40k.
00:16:30
Speaker
You'll have to put a picture up of those. I can't see that screen anyway. I wasn't sharing. I can. Yes, please. If you can, if you can show us that, uh, that other one too. So it's just, I just don't, I just don't get why that's the rest of the costume looks great. It's just, but why, how do you fuck up?
00:16:52
Speaker
the central element of a character. Oh, yeah, it does a little bit. Anyway, yeah, that's a miss. I have to think of what it reminds me of a character from some and I don't think it's Marvel or DC. I think it might be.
00:17:11
Speaker
Oh no, it's bugging me, but it reminds me of a game character or something or other than that. And it just, I agree. I don't think it works, but I mean, I wasn't, I recently watched that Harley Quinn film with black mask. I wasn't a particular fan of that black mask either. Uh, birds of paradise? Yeah, birds of paradise. Yeah.
00:17:32
Speaker
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00:17:54
Speaker
Yeah. Cool. Yeah. But yeah, I have the same thing that how they fucked up. I mean, that black mask didn't really sell me in that. Uh, no. And it's good as Ewan McGregor is too. I'd that, that actual, that whole scientist character didn't really sell it for me too. He's like, he, he seemed sinister enough, but he didn't scream mob boss to me. I agree. Spoil child. Yeah. It didn't really feel like
00:18:23
Speaker
Why I didn't really understand why people took him so seriously And anyway, I think it was a great choice for the character But he needed to pay a bit more sort of a mob star hard-edged kind of thing. So yeah, I have missed opportunity and it would have been a good juxtaposition to like it his
00:18:43
Speaker
straighter, hard-edged, white suit wearing up against Harley's craziness. It just seems to be that everybody, other than most of the Birds of Prey, are fucking loonies in that movie. But yeah.
Video Game News
00:18:59
Speaker
I still can't get past. In terms of mob bosses, I cannot get past Vincent D'Onofrio's Kingpin in the Daredevil TV series. That was
00:19:10
Speaker
some of the best bad guy I've seen in a long time on TV. Just that mobster kind of character. Yeah. And how fucking broken that guy's head is. And you know, the dark places it took, it took in his mind. That's, I mean, it would never have worked as that hard, but if, if it had a little bit of that edge in that movie in Birds of Prey, it would have been a little bit better. I reckon it would have come across better. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely agree.
00:19:35
Speaker
Dead Space is getting a remake. Well, look at that. It's third point. Third point. How far are we in Pete? And we've made it three points down the list. 20 minutes in. Kicking goals. Well, we'd mentioned them many times before the Dead Space in the last few weeks, but yeah, we got a tech demo. I only watched it this afternoon. IGN had a developer interview and the tech demo out there. And
00:19:58
Speaker
I mean, they didn't show much. They just showed they're making it in the frostbite engine, which is a good choice. It's a fucking, it's a, it's a beautiful, beautiful engine and it's a linear game. So they're going to be able to really hone into what matters to make that game. Right. And yeah, I think, I think they'll really nail it from what we saw. And the guys, the guys that are making it, obviously the, they're the original crew and they, they seem to be very on board with
00:20:27
Speaker
absolute paying credit to what Dead Space was. I never played it. Are they doing a straight remake of Dead Space 1 or is it like a soft reboot kind of? Because all the imagery I've seen of like the comparison of the original to that one they pulled from that demo.
00:20:44
Speaker
Like it all looks like the style of it is pretty much exactly the same, but whether or not it's like an actual. It's a remake. So it's more than just a remaster. They're doing completely updated assets and using new technology. But the, I think the. Oh, I meant the story wise, but no, I think it's the same story.
00:21:06
Speaker
Yeah, I think it's going to be basically the same story and mostly the same gameplay. The way he was talking in that clip was it seems to be a little bit of a reimagining and integrating of new tools. Obviously, he keeps saying that
00:21:26
Speaker
Games have come a long way since dead space so there's been a lot of stuff that's been introduced into games that it sounds like he didn't go into any specifics whatsoever. I want to see some of the further on because they talk about the dismemberment and how they're updating the dismemberment.
00:21:42
Speaker
of the Necromorphs. I think that it might be along those sides, maybe different, some new weaponry or something, but I think the storyline on that, they're going to stick to the same thing. Isaac might say some things now that Isaac has a voice and a personality.
00:21:59
Speaker
And in that original game he was just... I actually really liked that, I thought that was great. I think we didn't need to see Isaac or hear Isaac until the second one, which was a good change to what the first one was and then it started to introduce us more to his personality. But that first game without him saying anything can just
00:22:21
Speaker
basically being a good soldier going out there and doing what needed to be done. Yeah, you still empathize with him and they spoke to him like a person. They didn't talk to him just like a robot or anything like that. I don't know. I'm torn if they give him a voice and a personality in this one. Speaking of remakes, Tomo, Grand Theft Auto.
00:22:44
Speaker
Yes, I saw this the other day. I thought you guys would be excited. GTA 3, Vice City, and San Andreas, but it sounds like they're doing not just like a HD, I wrote the HD remake, but I think it might be like ground up kind of rebuild, or at least putting it into like the, yeah, like using the GTA 5 engine, or it's not just a spit and polish, it's like updating a fair few things, but keeping it pretty. I just think they're milking that GTA online stuff. Oh, 100%.
00:23:14
Speaker
I mean, I'm not going to get it, but I don't know. I remember the only fun I had in GTA 3 was just putting all the cheats on and getting chased by a bunch of tanks. Well, you've just described GTA Online at the moment. And what have they done for that game lately?
00:23:30
Speaker
When was that released now? Was it the borderline between PlayStation 3 and PlayStation 4? Because it came out for both simultaneously. So the game's been out for what, five, six years and they haven't made a follow-up. And all the content they seem to have released for GTA Online is just overruled by the amount of fucktards who are hacking. It's like it's become part of the culture of that online game.
00:23:52
Speaker
Yeah, but you watch when we go to PS6 eventually, there'll be a re-release of GTA V for that as well. Just like Skyrim, because they're about to re-release Skyrim as well. Yeah, and GTA V for PS4. Skyrim's getting the 10 year anniversary edition, so GTA V won't be far beyond that. With that and Witcher 3 as a remake, I would totally play the fuck out of.
00:24:11
Speaker
So, they're probably the only two games that have been released in the last five to ten years. I'd be inclined to replay in a remaster as opposed to just go play something new, like Rustler. Yes, Rustler, I don't know if you guys had a chance to look it up, but it's old-school GTA, the top-down view.
00:24:33
Speaker
but it's set in medieval times. Oh, you're going to love it. You wouldn't be able to no down hurry christeners in medieval times.
00:24:43
Speaker
No, no, you get monks traveling, you just run them over in a horse and carriage. And then they've got little police horses that have little siren lights on them. Yeah, it's stupid. Oh, it's taking the absolute piss out of the whole genre, but it looks great. But it's going back to that kind of semi-2D top-down view, and you race around, you play
00:25:08
Speaker
They did, like, one of the trailers they put out was, like, the narrator is talking about, like, the guy, and you just play some. The horses do have cop lights. And I'm pretty sure, from a memory, the cop horses were like zebras or something, because they were, like, stripy. But, yeah, it just looks silly. It looks stupid. It looks fun.
00:25:28
Speaker
Yeah, a little indie developer came out of Gamescom, which we'll touch on later. But yeah, that's a bit of a slow Newsweek. He's doing donuts and a laws and carriage. Yeah, cool. So we're going to talk about a topic that we've been putting off for a couple of weeks. We started talking about it very briefly, and I was very drunk during the livestream episode.
Dune: Legacy and Impact
00:25:54
Speaker
Episode 11? Yeah. June. Yeah.
00:25:58
Speaker
So I thought it might be just in terms of structure, I thought it might be worth talking about the book first. And then the original film, the TV stuff and then video games really, and then bring us back to the current film that they're about to launch.
00:26:15
Speaker
We won't go into too much detail about the original book, just its history and why it's significant to culture. It was published in 65, I think I mentioned this briefly, published in 65 after it failed to get traction for years. No one wanted to read it, no one wanted to publish it. I think it was published in Analog Magazine as a periodical.
00:26:36
Speaker
Um, and in fact, the publisher who eventually bounded into a book, um, cause Frank Herbert was kind of pitching it as a multi-series book. I think it was a trilogy. And this publisher just came out of nowhere and said, no, it needs to be a single fucking book. And he wasn't even a fiction publisher. I'm pretty sure it was encyclopedias or something like all bird books or something. Anyway. Um, yeah, right.
00:27:00
Speaker
But it tied first for a Hugo Award in 1966. Hugo being probably the most important or famous science fiction and fantasy book award. And then won the inaugural Nebula Award, which is a American based science fiction and fantasy book award. And that's been running for a long time. It's been running since 66.
00:27:23
Speaker
And in 2003 was cited as the world's best selling science fiction novel of all time. So pretty significant. And if you look at, you know, the actual core story and Dan was trying to talk about this, I think, when we're all too drunk, it is a political intrigue storyline, almost political like Game of Thrones, but set in a science fiction world.
00:27:47
Speaker
And I cannot... I would say that's exactly, that's an absolute fantastic analogy, explanation of it. But the only thing that's different to me not being very up on Game of Thrones, the only difference there is, is they're not fighting over a throne. There is a throne, but the throne is seated.
00:28:11
Speaker
Oh, look, there's lots of variables as well, but I think in terms of political intrigue, complicated storylines, house families, old feudal style storylines, that is very much what June is set in space. And I have trouble thinking that George RR RR Martin could ever have written Game of Thrones if it hadn't been for kind of the way that had been paved in June.
00:28:36
Speaker
or at least draw inspiration from. But he ended up writing six books total. So there's six in the series. I think Children of Dune is the third. And then... Yeah, Dune, Dune Messiah, Children of Dune, God Emperor of Dune.
00:28:53
Speaker
June, heretics of June and chapter house. And then it went on to his son and Kevin. Yeah. And they've written another 15 books and they've got one more coming out this year. I don't know how many more they got planned, but they're still writing new June content, which is pretty incredible considering 66. It's a long fucking dime ago, um, which kind of brings us to the first movie. So keep whipping, keep, keep whipping that cash cow. Yeah.
00:29:20
Speaker
Yeah, but if you're creative, I mean, fucking says the guy wearing a Star Wars hat. Hey, hey, hey, I do not disagree. If you're onto a good property and it's complicated and interesting, then why the fuck not?
00:29:34
Speaker
Yeah, I'm never going to read the Brian Herbert, Kevin Anderson ones, just for the major thing that you just said. There's just fucking far too many of them. Same as there's no way I'm ever going to read all the Star Wars books. I'm going to pick and choose the ones that I want to read in that. It's a little bit different because they're different timeframes and they follow different things. You don't have to read them in order.
00:29:53
Speaker
But because I've been doing a little bit more of a deep dive on June of recent, there's a little bit of backlash, I guess, from the original Frank Herbert fans of that series, where there's going to be spoilers here, that Brian Herbert and Kevin Anderson
00:30:14
Speaker
actually brought in, brought back in artificial intelligence and kind of made it to be the bad guy all along that the artificial intelligence was weaving these seeds all the way, all the way back from the beginning. I can see why this backlash.
00:30:31
Speaker
Yeah. And Brian Frank Herbert was, seemed to be very much against that. Like he goes out of his way to create the, um, the machine human G-hard that happened decades or hundreds of years before the original, before the first book of June. Uh, so I can see why there is backslash there. That's the whole point of the Mentats, right? They were basically biological computers to replace... Human computers. Yeah, exactly. And they, they found... Sorry.
00:30:59
Speaker
Yeah, that's exactly it. The Mentats and the Spacing Guild flight navigators. That's the whole reason for them. It's extremely similar to the Astropaths in Warhammer 40k. I think I might have said that last time too.
00:31:18
Speaker
The ships can only navigate the warp storm in 40k or the interstellar space for fast and light travel in the June universe using people with telepathic powers.
00:31:32
Speaker
Yeah, well, they can avoid obstacles in space, is what the spacing navigators do. That's their spice. Their mutation through the spice is to avoid obstacles. It's the drive that creates the faster than light. But yeah, I guess they are telepaths, but he does go out of his way to almost point out the fact in the original books that none of the people are telepathic.
00:32:01
Speaker
the Bene Jesuit and even Paul in the first book, because he's got the Mentat and the Bene Jesuit training that he can see all the paths through analysing all the given data rather than actually being a future seen telepathic profit kind of thing. So he's not a seer. He's not the first male Bene Jesuit.
00:32:29
Speaker
He is, yes. The Benne Jesuit, they're all females up until, yeah, until Jessica decides to have a son to the Duke. Yeah. Because they're supposed to kill or miscarry or something like a bought male babies, the Benne Jesuit, to keep the bloodline female and pure or something. I don't know. It's been a long time.
00:32:51
Speaker
Yes, until the church, until the Bene Jesuit sisterhood decides that they are at the culmination of their basically their inter-house breeding program to a point where they... And it's only meant to be a couple of generations on from Paul. So his Jessica was meant to have a daughter and then I think that daughter was then meant to have a son that could be married off to the daughter on the Harkonnen side and bring the house of tradies and house Harkonnen together.
00:33:20
Speaker
And then that, that boy would have, would have been the Quizar Talarach, which is the, the Bene Jesuit male that can see both the female and male paths. Very good Arabic pronunciation there, Dan. Oh man, that guy's got so many names. I can almost guarantee you it is drawn, like the inspiration for that naming system is drawn from, from Arabic. Oh, a hundred percent. Middle East and feudal systems.
00:33:49
Speaker
Yeah. And I mean, this is the, one of the confusing things that I think they'll, they'll, they'll touch on. I mean, I touched on it in the original movie a little bit. Um, but I mean, Paul's got four different names, basically. He's got Paula Drady's more deep, which is his Fremen name, the Quizzarts Haruak, which is the Bene Jesuit, uh, prophesized male child. And then the, um,
00:34:13
Speaker
Mahadi, which is the Messiah of the... But it is a Jesus story. I mean, Paul the Traitor is a Jesus of kinds. He's the prophesied son to bring peace to the universe, even though he was born out of order, and there's a whole lot of political intrigue around that as well.
00:34:34
Speaker
So, yeah, look, we got the original film in 84. I mean, it's it's that old now that I don't recognize most of the people in it. There were some people I recognized in the original movie, but fucking Patrick Stewart. Like I said, there's a few, but you read through the list and like Kyle McLaughlin plays Paul Atreides, Atreides, the most important character in it. And I don't remember him from anything. I don't know the name that well.
00:34:57
Speaker
Oh, fuck yeah. He's around in tons of things. Well, maybe it's just... He's still around these days. He's in Australia at the moment to film something new. Well, that's just my knowledge then. It's just a gap in my knowledge. They did a miniseries in 2000, which did a much better-ish job. It was a low budget, pretty hard to watch drama TV series, but it did a better job of explaining the story in a way that you can understand because it's fucking complicated.
00:35:22
Speaker
and then followed up with Children of June in 2003. The original... With James McAvoy. Yeah. I'm really young there too. It's fucking funny to watch. But I think the first miniseries covers the first two books.
00:35:38
Speaker
Uh, does it, it finishes. No, the second one, children of June covers June Messiah and children of June. So the second children of June, I think again is a three-parter. And I think the first two hour part is Messiah. And then the second two, two hour partners are children. Right. Okay. From memory.
00:36:04
Speaker
But yeah, I think I'm more than sure that the first three-part TV series finishes with Paul taking control of Arrakis and marrying the Emperor's daughter. Sorry, spoilers again. It's been out for a while. Yeah. So, yeah, but I mean, the new movie is coming up and I mean, they're not going to cover all this in the new movie. It's a movie based on people. I mean, there's more spoilers just by reading the fucking book.
00:36:32
Speaker
Yeah, so I think that first series was only the first book. And then we get into the video games.
Dune Video Games
00:36:39
Speaker
Tommy, have you watched any of these? I did say last episode that we recorded that I was going to try and watch the series. That's right. I couldn't find anything.
00:36:51
Speaker
I didn't. I can find children in June. I think I'm binge, but I couldn't find the original. No, but I think I said to you guys last time that I'd seen, I've seen the original movie, but years ago and I don't really remember it. So I'm kind of the one coming into this with fresh eyes, which is why.
00:37:08
Speaker
Which I think the new movie, it looks sick. And it's one of the movies that, this is a weird memory to have, but I always remember when I worked at the video store, it was one of the first, it was one of the movies you always saw in the sci-fi section. It was like the top left hand corner.
00:37:24
Speaker
Yeah, no, it was always, instead of being like spine out, it was always cover out. I don't know if like the owner loved the movie or something that much. They put it that way. But I, every time, cause I had to walk past the sci-fi section to get to the back office. And every time I'd be like, Oh yeah, Gene. Yep. There it is. Okay.
00:37:39
Speaker
If I remember the artwork for the VHS being purple and red, it's very eye-catching. It draws your eye in with the long line of lights behind. But I think it's going to be interesting. The actual storyline has got so many interesting elements into Woven. You've got the political intrigue of the houses. The mutations kind of make them alien in a lot of ways. You've got
00:38:05
Speaker
you know, the Bene Gesserit who are, you know, sears and can see into the future, which has got its own interests. Like it's almost a magic, if you like. It's high tech. There's a there's a high technology theme through it. But then you've got the Freeman who are almost Aboriginal, something like an Aboriginal tribal system.
00:38:26
Speaker
with a Middle Eastern spin on it, and these people have come to the planet to mine a natural resource and displaced the free people there. So you have kind of a traditional colonisation story going on as well. And then, of course, you have the fucking spice worms, which are just the big bad.
00:38:45
Speaker
but maybe not so bad, more just, you know, they're not, they're not benevolent. They're just, they're a natural predatory species on the planet that's tied somehow to the spice. You got to remember the entire universe is using the spice for their magical mystical powers. So an animal that has evolved on a planet that created spice, so it's going to have some sort of mystical connection. So really interesting, intricate story.
00:39:15
Speaker
There's also an interesting element that's in the book that isn't in... It might get mentioned in the TV series, but I don't remember it because I think I was too young to register this. There is a corporation that runs the universe, the Chom Corporation, and even the Emperor has to work with the Chom.
00:39:35
Speaker
It's an acronym, Tom. It stands for something, and I'm not even going to try and remember what it stands for because it's something fucking weird. Was it something about the spice like put into like some, some pate and it was so chunky you could carve it? Like Tom. It's like C-H-O-A-M or something like that. And then everybody is at the mercy of the spacing guild because everybody needs the spacing guild to
00:39:59
Speaker
to move between planets at like long distances. And if they don't have the spacing guild and they don't pay them what the spacing guild asks for, then they don't get where they want to get. They get cut off. And they get cut off. So there is a definitely a- Like the huts controlling the hyperspace lanes. Let's put into terms that I understand. That's exactly what it's like. So the combine Honnet, Oba, Advancer, Mercantiles or Chome,
00:40:25
Speaker
essentially controls all economic affairs across the cosmos, although it relies on the Spacing Guild for transport across space due to the guild's monopoly on fast and light travel. So, lots of interlocking pieces to this puzzle and that's undoubtedly why it is listed as the world's best selling sci-fi. There's just so many intricate pieces to it that make it an interesting complex universe.
00:40:49
Speaker
Um, and then you get into the games. So in 1992, for some reason, we get both June and June two. Um, so I don't know how they talk about crunch. We're trying to weave that out of the video game industry and then make them turn out sequel in the same year. Jesus Christ. Probably where it started. Wasn't, wasn't quite the first ever real time strategy. I think I might've misquoted that, but, um, it's, it's credited as one of the very first and the guy who, um,
00:41:17
Speaker
who produced Dune 2 was the first person ever coined the term real-time strategy as a marketing mechanism to sell the game. They did Dune 2000 in 1998, which is a bit... Which is just a remake of Dune 2. Yeah, it is. So Dune 2 used pieces of full motion video as one of the first games with FMV cutscenes and
00:41:41
Speaker
all voice acting for all major characters and used cutscenes from the original 84 film. And it's kind of a partial dungeon crawler. It's got a full dungeon crawler engine in it and the real-time strategy game. And they're completely separated, but they live inside the same time. So if you spend an hour crawling around the dungeon, then you've lost an hour in the RTS game.
00:42:06
Speaker
and vice versa, but you're doing completely different tasks. Yeah, really interesting. And then you had Emperor Battle for Dune, which was almost a remake again. And then the last... I do not remember that at all.
00:42:20
Speaker
the dungeon. Yeah. If you look at the screenshots, you'll remember instantly, um, cause you can't have, which I'll, I'll bring up on the screen while no one else is listening to this can see. Um, cause, uh, Gimli, the guy who played Gimli was in the full motion video. That wasn't until June two, John Reese Davies. You were talking about that John Reese Davies. Yes. He was, um, the Atreides Mentat. Atreides Mentat. Not the guy with the weird little beak. That gave you, uh, that gave you each, uh, that gave you each mission.
00:42:50
Speaker
Yeah, I think you're right, it is 2000. June 2, yeah, still had kind of poxy-ish graphics. Yeah, yeah, it's definitely 2000. Anyway, so yeah, and then they made a really, really, really bad first-person shooter.
00:43:05
Speaker
called Frank Herbert's June, I think. Yeah, I've got it written down. I don't know what I have to think. Released in 2001 and it's just the most feral looking poxy cell shaded first person shooter that is running at like four frames a second. It was horrendously bad. Was it like...
00:43:24
Speaker
based on like the Doom engine or anything? No, no, no, no. Way worse than that, mate. I think it was after that. Yeah, it was after that, but the draw distance was so far. You're in a desert and it just clunked really badly. It was... Oh, look, shit. I'm just looking at the cover art. Jesus Christ. It was ugly to fucking fly. The PlayStation 2 version was only released in Europe. Fun fact. Thanks Wikipedia.
00:43:47
Speaker
And then we get to the current movie, right? It's got fucking like an all-star cast. I started writing down the major characters, the major actors in it, and it's just like, I may as well just copy and paste the whole fucking IMDB list. I don't, I have to admit, I don't know who Timothy Chalamet, I'm guessing,
00:44:05
Speaker
I'm guessing that's the pronunciation, but who's playing Paul Atreides? But you've got Zendaya, you've got Jason Momoa, you've got Dave Batista who played Jack. Why do I want to say Jacks? Jacks, thank you. I'm actually confused who Dave Batista is playing. Who is he playing? The Harkonnen, one of the Harkonnen leads. So the bad guys.
00:44:29
Speaker
Yeah. So he's not, I don't, who, who's playing the Baron? Um, uh, the ginger fucking, I can't remember his name now. Um, sorry. You keep going. Not you. Uh, Josh Brolin, uh, Oscar Isaac. Like these are very fucking famous people. Very, very good actors too. Um, so I'm really looking forward to it. And, and actually we don't know that much about the movie other than it's kind of a retelling of the original story, but we don't really know how much of a retelling yet.
00:45:00
Speaker
Okay, so Dave Batiste is playing Rabban, who is before the Atreides got sent to Dune. He was the one running Arrakis for the Harkonnen family, and he gets put back in after they take back over.
00:45:16
Speaker
And to answer your question, Stellan Skarsgard as Baron. Ah, yes, it is too. Yeah, well, that's a fucking excellent choice. So he's the kind of nutty-ish old scientist from Thor, running around in the minivan with the girls. So he's a great actor too. Like I said, like an all-star cast. So I'm really looking forward to this movie.
00:45:39
Speaker
Just because I know how cool the storyline can be if told well and you've got all star cast and the visual aesthetic from this film looks spectacular too. So I think it's it'll finally be in a position to do the story justice. Anyway, we should talk about second beers. That's all I had to say on June. Dan, unless you wanted to add some more.
00:46:01
Speaker
No, I think the people that they've chosen for those characters is excellent. The Dave Batista one confused me because he was too mobile to be playing the Baron, and I hadn't looked up who he was playing, but playing a Rowan, it makes perfect sense.
00:46:23
Speaker
Jason Momoa is Duncan Idaho and Josh Brolin is Gurney Halleck. Absolutely excellent choices and they have such screen presence.
00:46:36
Speaker
with their age and I mean I know my mom was not old but the age difference between him and Paul Atreides, they're the ones that train him so they are perfect as mentors and they have such screen presence. And the quips and interplay in the trailer really kind of tie off that relationship too. He's like the really friendly uncle mentor kind of character who takes the piss out of him.
00:47:02
Speaker
And exactly and that's how that plays out in the book to not in such a modern way as it does in the in the trailer but it's the you definitely get in that book that they they push him hard because they know he's got to be the baron one day and not the baron the juke.
00:47:18
Speaker
and they know he's got to lead but they also love him like his son as well and they don't want to let him down and you get that from those characters just because they're amazing actors.
00:47:34
Speaker
And, yeah, and I think even Oscar Isaac as the Duke is a fantastic choice as well. He has that very regal presence about him and you can see him speaking very well and very almost Shakespearean. So, yeah, I think all those ones are excellent. I think he speaks a good character. Get a look at his beard too.
00:47:57
Speaker
No, Oscar, is it? What a luscious bed you want to lie down in. Jesus. I think even the character, well, the look of Timothy MacMahon playing Paula Trades, I think is a good balance between... Timothy... Not MacMahon, sorry. Timothy MacMahon? Do you want to try that one again?
00:48:16
Speaker
I've lost it now. Chalamet. Thank you. Timothy Chalamet. I don't know where McMahon came from. It was another name I was looking at earlier. And he's the right age as well. I don't know if he's actually the right age. He looks like he's got that youth look about him, but he's also got that regal noble. You could easily see him dressing up to that role.
00:48:35
Speaker
Um, cause he kind of also looks like a bit like he's a grown up sickly child. Like that's that kind of like regalness, like, sorry, Chalamet, but, um, you do have that kind of sickly child. Look about you. Okay.
00:48:48
Speaker
Um, that's like in, in the, in the book, the, um, in the, in the first few pages where he meets the Reverend Muller, the like he's, I think he's 15 or something in the, in the book. Uh, and she, there's a lot of internal monologue in the book and she, her internal, internal monologue says he even looks small for his age, uh, kind of thing. So I think that, that whole sickly child thing will,
00:49:15
Speaker
It's probably a play for how they've sort of dressed him up for the first segment on it. And then I think his presence, his screen presence will change. And he's definitely been dressed to look younger than he is because the character of the actor rather is 26 at the moment. So yeah, he's not a teenager, but they definitely dress him down to look like that. And he does have that young face, very drawn, very gaunt, looks almost like a model. Sickly child. Thank you. You're welcome. I called it. Beers. Let's talk about the Beers.
00:49:45
Speaker
Are we all on our second? I am cracking mine, so you guys can go first. I'm almost done. Yeah, wow. Yeah, Dan, you can go first, because you've almost finished yours. Yeah, I have a very, I won't call it an unhealthy, a healthy obsession with brown ales, when they're very, very good brown ales, and trained at Quaker Cellars knows this. So, I hadn't had the new version of a Carters water buffalo.
00:50:14
Speaker
And it's it's everything you should be it's it's a beautiful light bodied with some nice Malt dark malt astringency bitterness to it. It's it's got that really light chocolatey roasty character But just just just it's it's there. It's present. It's dominant but it's not overpowering and it all just it all sinks very nicely into it and
00:50:40
Speaker
I would quite happily sit there and just drink a case of this. It's just, uh, it's, it's, it's luscious. I'm the same. I love a good Brown now. Um, yeah. My most recent favorite would have to be the, uh, new England, uh, brewing co they do their grand granddad Brown. Um, yeah. Yeah. And they did a rebrand of it and they'd had, it was kind of semi seasonal and now it's kind of, I think it's part of like,
00:51:06
Speaker
They're yearly seasonal ones that comes out twice a year, but that is a cracking, cracking brown ale. I love the brown, all about it. I've grown into that style through this podcast, because I would never have gone for a brown ale before the podcast. You're welcome. Yeah. Well, so I'm drinking Batch Brewing's Hazy Pale Ale, which is, is that 4.0? I don't want to tip the candle in, I'm pouring it everywhere. Yeah, 4.0%, which is good. It's probably what I needed right now, to be honest.
00:51:35
Speaker
Full, little settler, full bodied and pillowy soft. This hazy parallel has a zesty hop aroma with flavors of exotic tropical fruits. This one's got haze for days. Doesn't say what hops it uses, but I'm sure you know, Tom.
00:51:54
Speaker
I'll put you on the spot now. I'm not on the clock right now, I'm not going to go and do extra work for it. It is full of haze protein, so it is, it pours like a nipa, but it's definitely not a nipa and I really appreciated that.
00:52:11
Speaker
after wondering what the separation might be before I cracked it, as soon as it took my first sip, I can answer
Second Beer Tasting & Life Hacks
00:52:17
Speaker
the question. It just doesn't have that ridiculous punch in the mouth tropical fruit juice that you get out of a traditional neeper. It's still hoppy, but it has... Well, not that one, but you can get some very tropical punch in your face, hazy pails. And I don't know if it's because I've put it in after that dark fruited beer and heavily double fruited sour, but
00:52:39
Speaker
you certainly get kind of tropical juice on the nose, but the actual flavor profile, you expect the hop hit that you traditionally get out of a nipa and it just doesn't come. It's a lot lighter in mouth feel. I don't know if that's the right terminology to use. It just doesn't fill your face with flavor, which I appreciate. And it's exactly what you'd expect out of a pale owl compared to an IPA as a hazy pale versus a nipa. So, yeah.
00:53:09
Speaker
It's been my, I mean, that's been my standard fridge filler when I take some beers from work. It's... And at 4%. I got a 4 pack of that or all the shorties. Yeah. And at 4%, you can drink four of them and get half a can of the other one I cracked. Sorry.
00:53:23
Speaker
Yeah, it's good. It's a good walking the dog beer. Walking the dog beer. What are you drinking, Tom? Actually, before I get into that, I have a little life hack for all our lovely listeners and viewers out there. If you take your dog or cat or child for a walk in the afternoon, when I take Jasper for a walk in the afternoon, I usually take a beer or two. I'm not sure it's responsible to walk your child.
00:53:49
Speaker
on the street with a beer in your hand. I think most people would frown on you. Children with leashes all the time. With leashes maybe. There's little leash packs on. With a fucking stubby in your hand though. I think people would look at you pretty badly.
00:54:00
Speaker
That's just a prediction. Move to the inner west. Everyone's doing it. It's definitely not for everyone out here. I do have to say a friend of the podcast who will remain unnamed lives very close to me and I saw him walk past my house one day with a dog on a leash in one hand and a child on a leash in the other hand. And I sent him a message and said, is it legal to walk your child on a leash like that?
00:54:28
Speaker
It would have been better. Did he say yes? Because he probably is. It's like a small dog or a big dog. It's a reasonable size dog. It would have been funny to have the kid walking the dog on a leash and then the kid on the leash with dad. So you've got this long string walked by the panel. Oh no. One, one was definitely at the front and one was definitely lagging behind. So yeah. Cool. Tom, what are you drinking? Not at all.
00:54:53
Speaker
No, that's right. Just cut off my story. That's fine. As I was saying, if you want to take a beer or two, you don't have anywhere really to put it. You know, put it in the hoodie pocket, but it shakes it up. Do you need a jacket for your dog? Life hack.
00:55:06
Speaker
I didn't. He does have several jackets. We don't wear them when he walks because he gets overheated. That's just cruelty to animals. But the life hack is, take a nitro beer, put it in your back pocket. By the time you're ready to crack it as your second beer, it's all perfectly shaken up. I was going to say, or you can get... You're welcome, everybody. Okay. So maybe not the jacket, but I know for a fact that I've seen harnesses made out of the typical harness material for dogs with two fucking pockets on the side that you could easily put beers in.
00:55:32
Speaker
Oh, yeah, you can. Yeah. But Jasper, Jasper definitely shake that beer up more than I would anyway. Anyway, I'm drinking, I'm drinking knock on wood from Deeds Brewing. It's their barrel aged Pilsner. I literally picked it up because I had the mighty mighty boss stones playing in my head when I saw the can, you know, never had to knock on wood. And that just made me sing the song the entire way home as I bought it from the bottle shop.
00:56:01
Speaker
What does it say here? That they lager this beer for a month in the tank and then they rack the whole batch into specially selected white wine barrels to spend 90 days on oak. And you get a crisp, oaky experience that celebrates the pills and style. And knowing deeds, I'm sure it's going to live up to what it says on the can, but I'll let you know in 20 seconds. We're all just going to wait the 20 seconds now, Tom. Yep.
00:56:24
Speaker
Yeah, you get heaps of white wine. Wow. White wine or just the vanilla-y oak kind of... No, I like that. No, no, like that... I'm a horrible, sommelier, or cicerone. I can't use descriptive words, but it's that wine like... Dry tartness? Not bitterness. Yeah, dryness. Like the save blanc cat piss. I hate to say that, but it's, you know...
00:56:52
Speaker
I'm thinking when I'm drinking it, I'm thinking a crisp white wine. It's Christmas. There you go. Crisp. Christmas. Get a bit of like, there is definitely the oak there. It's not as I get more of that white wine character, but it is. Typically I was going to add layers of complexity, rather like separated layers of flavors, I find, but it doesn't sound like it in this case. It's picked up too much of the wine and not enough of the oak, but then 90 days, it isn't long to sit in a barrel either, is it? Yeah, three months.
00:57:22
Speaker
It's not bad. It's a decent amount of time. Yeah. Three to three to six months. They reckon after three to four months you're not going to pick up much more. Well, that's the thing. I could also be just my palate getting heaps more of that wine, like I'm not a big wine drinker. So whenever I get those wine characteristic, I think that sticks out like a sore thumb for me. And it's been sitting out here for, what, an hour. So it's a little bit more. Yeah, true. So you guys wanted to... Sorry to cut you off there. Are you ready to move on?
00:57:49
Speaker
We're never going to get, I just, I rue the day that we get back down to less than two hours an episode, but I don't think it's going to happen this episode either.
Star Wars: Bad Batch Analysis
00:57:56
Speaker
Um, you guys want to, why the people love us, give them more, fair, fair. Let's do minimum four hour episodes every time. Um, you guys want to still review of bad batch, which I haven't watched. So, um, I'm not going to go cause like spoilers, but I don't care, but I have nothing to add. So it continued. I mean, there's not,
00:58:18
Speaker
There's only a little bit of spoiler. It's not like... I don't care anyway. There's nothing... I really don't. But it's nothing. I mean, you know, you know how Order 66 plays out. That's where it starts. Episode one. Bad batches with a Jedi general running a clone squadron. Which Jedi general?
00:58:43
Speaker
It is the master of Cain and Jarek from Rebels. You made it sound like it was a secret, like all that you were hiding. It's one of the first times you see that Jedi master on screen as well. I think one of those ones that's been killed off four or five times across the
00:59:09
Speaker
It's a red shirt. It's a red shirt. Yeah. One of those ones where she just, they, I mean, if she was live action, they go there, the cheaper out of making her look different that she's just got like some prosthetic stuff on the temples of her head. Like the cheapest route because she's going to be in it for like 30 seconds. And then that's, you don't even have a surname.
00:59:33
Speaker
over the last week rewatching Lord of the Rings with Emma, because I finally cracked those 4K versions I got. You really pick up on some more stuff in the background that you might not see, and the amount of the same orc that I see die multiple times in those things. I'm just like,
00:59:47
Speaker
Yep, there he is again. Oh, there he, oh, he survived the first battle in, you know, Helm's Deep and he's somehow wound up, you know, working, instead of working for Isengard, he's now working for Sauron. Yep, sure. Okay, definitely. There's a lot of that. Oh no, he's at this tower too. Okay, cool. Yep.
01:00:04
Speaker
Well, there's no video game premise for that as well. You meet up with the same orc general in Shadow of Mordor and Shadow of War. You think you've killed him, you've driven a sword literally through their guts and they turn up next time with a stitched up belly or something.
01:00:21
Speaker
That was, let's not get into it, we're talking bad batch. It was literally for me, it was Filoni going, hey, I want to make the A team in the Star Wars universe and I want to pay homage to a whole bunch of 80s action, like hero tropes. The fact that Hunter basically looks like Rambo was never lost on me to the point where he's even got the bandana going. You've got the
01:00:45
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dark and brooding sniper who doesn't really, he gets on with the team and he's, they count him as their brothers, but he's always a bit, cause he spends all his time up, you know, surveying from the hills and looking from afar. You got the massive meathead and then the tech guy. It's just like, it was perfect. It was every single stereotype you wanted. It was great. Like I loved it for that reason alone. Yeah. Awesome.
01:01:07
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But it's a good, solid series. Consistent arc goes at individual stories like Clone Wars, because that's what I always struggled with Clone Wars. I know there is an overall arc in Clone Wars as well, but it's very episodic.
01:01:25
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No, it's definitely episodic as well, but it's always them moving to the next point in something. Yeah, you do get a couple of episodes. There is a long play going through the entire thing, but there is a few episodes which are kind of, you know, the monster of the week episode kind of thing, like they go, or planet of the week, they go just here.
01:01:47
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Hey, you owe me money, so you've got to go and do this job for me before I give you this piece of information where you can continue on with your primary mission. Is it a long series? Is it 18 to 24 episodes or is there eight?
01:02:02
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I think it's 12. 12 mid teens. Sorry. An animated series. Can't say cartoon. It was on Saturday morning. So, you know, you know, better enjoyed with cereal in a bowl. Saturday morning cartoons. Yeah. Fucking a hundred percent. That's where I'd keep it to Saturday morning. Yeah. And, and they got to, once it got to, once you got those sort of
01:02:26
Speaker
And now we're fleshing out characters, those filler episodes, we're fleshing out a couple of the characters, mainly the young clone child that's with them is Omega. And it's mostly fleshing out her personality and making her fit into the team more and giving, basically giving her more skills because she comes from Kamino.
01:02:50
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basically very unskilled, so giving her, I say this in very white quotation marks, real world skills, and developing her character that way before they get to the end block, the arc at the end of which was took up the last sort of five or six episodes. That's about 16 episodes. 16 episodes, yeah, but the last six is kind of like
01:03:17
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the team is now established and they've developed a mega enough that they can go, cool, let's go into like the big, the over-arc plot that they've been kind of hinting at every other episode. Let's, let's nail that down. Okay. Did it deliver by the end? Which is the slow move. Yeah. Yeah. So it's the slow moves from the, yeah, like moving away from clients to the conscripted troopers of, um, the, um, so it's like that kind of transition period as well.
01:03:45
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And for a Peter animated series, I mean, it is aimed at, I wouldn't say it's aimed at kids. I would definitely say it's definitely aimed at people like us. There is elements in there that kids will associate with and appreciate. But I mean, you get to a point where they hit the inside of a transport, which has got
01:04:11
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people rebelling from a planet trying to get off. They hit the inside of that with a flamethrower. They execute a whole bunch of people on a planet that they're trying to get away from the Empire and then just straight up execute it. There's no sugarcoating it. It's just an execution. And it's really laid the ground. But that's been the development of the Clone Wars series. When you look at the first two seasons of Clone Wars, it was
01:04:41
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It was trying to grab that younger audience, but then they realized that their fan base was, you know, mid-twenties up. It was older Star Wars fans. They were like, well, they strike a pretty good balance. Yeah, no, that's what I'm saying. They definitely matured some of the episodes, but they still kept them light enough that kids could enjoy them. It was still Saturday morning cartoon style, but it wasn't Nickelodeon channel after the first season. No.
01:05:05
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It's funny, to change the subject for a second, and I'm the one that always worries about time, I've been watching Star Trek Lower Decks, which is an animated series that's been out for a while. I think we're up to Season 2 already, and I'd never seen it on Amazon Prime. And as a time filler kind of series of 20 minute, 30 minute episodes, it's fucking hilarious.
01:05:28
Speaker
Yeah. It's very much on point for the Star Trek universe, but it is a lot darker. Like they swear. I mean, they bleep out the F word, but still, I mean, to be the first Star Trek property I think I've ever seen where they've sworn like that. There's guts and gore and chopping parts off and fucking funny as hell too.
01:05:48
Speaker
Kind of reminds me of Rick and Morty in the Star Trek universe almost, but just not quite that wacky. Not quite that bad, yeah. Oh, good. You need to turn it back from Rick and Morty levels if you want to, you know. I love that series too, man. I just finished the latest season. It's such a good series. Um, did you have anything else to add on, on Bad Batch or are we going to go for a break?
01:06:11
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It just brings in a bunch of Like connects to a bunch of the other properties as well really smoothly. It doesn't really feel I think the only one that really felt forced was Fennec shard being chucked in there But I think they're just trying to establish her. She's being no one in Mandalorian Bob Fett's, you know, so I do so She gets kind of
01:06:35
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I felt that was a bit of a shoehorning into two episodes, but it ended up being a really cool showdown between her and Cad Bane. I think it was just trying to more establish her as an existing, from the 4-66 period to the Mandalorian period. She was active, I guess, just giving her some more backstory.
01:06:57
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which I can appreciate. And then, but I was thinking, Dan, it's probably like the way they're kind of going. So, you know, Pete doesn't care about spoilers, but spoilers for anyone else. A lot of it deals with obviously clones and cloning, which leads to their trying. It seems like they're making connection from Revenge of the Sith to Rise of Skywalker in terms of Palpatine coming back.
01:07:21
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And they're establishing this early, so the season finishes with one of the cloners from Kamino being recruited by the, you know, growing empire. But the doctor that she gets kind of shacked up with to run this cloning arm of their development thing is wearing the same uniform that the doctor is wearing from Mandalorian season one, the Dubith glasses, who's, you know,
01:07:49
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He doesn't get killed when he's like, no, he wants to protect go. So it's like, it's the same programmed. So they're going to make a season two. So we might see more leading into that. Well, which would be kind of cool. And you can also say, yeah, you're right. It's I mean, because we've all assumed and we've been led to assume that the clones that you see in Mandalorian season two are of Snoke more than the Emperor. But you can see it all leads into the Emperor being cloned at the end of Rise of Skywalker.
01:08:29
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Yeah, but they've got a team that are now doing that. They've had what they've called the Destiny side things or the non-canon stuff now. There were things that went off the path that I guess you would have wanted Star Wars to go and they're trying to rein that back in but still bring that creativity into it. It's good to see that.
01:08:39
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So it's all very interlocked. That's cool. Yeah. Which is what, which is definitely what for learning is trying to do. He's trying to, he's the embassy.
01:08:49
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There were just plenty of little nice connections, having Rex pop up, but he's undercover now. You had Gregor, who was one of the clone commandos, some little throwback things that we picked up to the Republic Commando game, seeing some of the squad into that.
01:09:07
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But I was thinking it definitely feels like the Clone Commando books, this is the closest we're going to get to seeing them on screen. It feels like Skitara's squad is there and that's what they've turned 99 into, which I wouldn't put past Filoni to be doing. I'm sure he's a fan of those books.
01:09:27
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, definitely. I reckon we're going to get some... Well, I wouldn't say definitely, but I would like to see the Mandalorian genome link come in at some stage and have the Mandalorians come in and...
01:09:42
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or them find the settlement on, well, not on Mandalore because they changed that style of planet in New Cannon, but on a planet, Concord Dawn or something like that, where they bring the Mandalorian people into it more. And I've said to Dan multiple times in message when we've been talking about episodes that
01:10:00
Speaker
I'm calling it now that the Bad Batch ship, they're going to have, at some point, it's going to be flying in the silhouette, is going to be the inspiration for the Rebel symbol. There are little things about the burgeoning Rebel Alliance coming too, but when you look at it, it's got a really rough cutout of it and I can just see it happening. It's going to be flying over some little Rebel camp and they're going to be like, that's our sign and next thing you know, it's there.
01:10:27
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Well, that's also why I mentioned Concord Dawn because Sabine Wren and the Wren Clan were from Concord Dawn. So that's what makes me think that that kind of made me think that that might be something they bring in on that Mandalorian side of it as well.
01:10:44
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And I'm once again talking about it in messages after watching episodes. Omega Pete, which is the young female clone in it, she's an un-aging clone. So she was actually born, hatched, grown in the same lab as the Clone Force 99, the Bad Batch. And she was actually around before the Bad Batch, but she's still a child and they're fully grown, matured clones.
01:11:13
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So my assumption is that she might, my speculation is that she might make an appearance in live action in the Book of Boba Fett because she would be his sister, genetic.
01:11:28
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Genetic genetic genetic similar sister yeah twin twin sister and I think that would be a pretty cool thing to. I'm pretty sure there was a little throwaway line where they're like she's Omega but he was and he was Alpha like he was named Alpha before he was called Boba by Django I remember something about that.
01:11:48
Speaker
Yeah, there was something in the, one of the couple of those last episodes there somewhere. It's cool. That'd be cool. Yeah. She survived that long and yeah, went on to do the things. Yeah. Yeah. It'd be cool. Cool. All right. Well, I think we're going to take a break. Um, and we'll be back after our sponsors messages. All those sponsors.
01:12:16
Speaker
That's actually the Thunderbirds name is my dad's ringtone when he calls me. We used to wake up 6.30 AM on a Saturday morning to watch Thunderbirds. How does it go Tom? That's great.
01:12:35
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It's not bad for a trumpet. My dad's a trumpeter, so I'm used to that sound in the house. This reminds me of Roger Ramjet. That's the theme song that plays in my head most days.
01:12:52
Speaker
Yes. Something like that. That's a better one. Fighting for our freedom. Flies for winning out of space. Not to join them, but to beat them. Now buy war bonds. Yeah, I think we're back and probably sell off. We all smoked a fucking... Smoked a blunt in the break. It all started from the countdown.
01:13:16
Speaker
That's it. Let's talk trailer trash, shall we? Trailer trash! That's going to be the intro. I'm going to record for it. It's going to be like... I'll get some banjo in the background. I think that's copyrighted, but yeah.
01:13:33
Speaker
Maybe I'll go back to the guys for long enough now, surely. Maybe I'll go back to the company that made our intro music and get them to do like an electric banjo fucking version of the intro music, just over 10 seconds for the segment. We've got some good movies with some trailers, just not many, which is good because we're at like 14 hours so far this episode. So Spider-Man, no way home.
01:13:52
Speaker
It's been an hour. Calm down. People love us.
Sony's Press Kit Frustrations
01:13:56
Speaker
They love my voice. Don't you people? People love my voice. Sultry sounds. Spider-Man No Way Home. It's one trailer I can't show on the video version of the podcast, unfortunately. And I couldn't figure out why. You guys kept naming movies that I can't see in my trailer list.
01:14:12
Speaker
We're now a registered, the organization is a registered press company. And it wasn't until I couldn't find Venom. I wanted to show Venom Let There Be Carnage. Couldn't find it, couldn't find Spider-Man, couldn't find a few other properties. It's because Sony Motion Pictures don't participate in the electronic press kit company that we're a member of. So it's very frustrating. Because they've got to be different.
01:14:37
Speaker
Because they don't need as much fucking press as what they can get because... Yeah. It's our Sony. But yeah, so in order for us to have access to their trailers, I actually have to apply directly to Sony and justify our position in the press. It's just fucking stupid anyway. It's not worth it.
01:14:55
Speaker
Is there a magic eye in the magic IPA label? You can peel the label to make it flat. I don't think I've got enough light in here to do it, but I do. There's going to be 30 seconds. You're going to have to do the Philippines because me and Tom are going to be concentrating and trying to get the magic eye.
Spider-Man: No Way Home Speculations
01:15:19
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That's, that's fine. So Spider-Man No Way Home looks fucking awesome. Um, it looks like they're taking some pretty, pretty cool risks with the storyline, which I think is. Oh yeah, I see it. It's good video content. Oh yeah. It's a sailboat. It's not a sailboat, it's a schooner.
01:15:39
Speaker
It's the- It's the sun. It's the picture that's on the other side of the label. So you basically, you looked at the- Skinner is a sailboat. You know what? There is no Easter Bunny. There's just a guy in a suit.
01:15:57
Speaker
I wish you could actually watch any of Kevin Smith's older films, but none of them, like very few of them around. I can't find Clerks for Love on Money. I can't find. I'd love to watch more of it. I ditched a lot of DVDs and I lost a couple that I wanted to keep. I think I threw out one of the key boxes. I think I've got them all in my hard drive that I definitely acquired them from very legal sources. The one that I really want is Dogma and I know I owned it on DVD, but I can't find it anywhere. And Kevin Smith,
01:16:27
Speaker
There was some legal battle and he had to rip it. It's gone. It's just non-existent now. Oh, really? Hmm. That's funny because it's definitely not only the network. No, it's not. And you can't buy it either. Because Matt Damon was referred to it. You know, Emma showed me a video where Matt Damon was taking the piss out of it. It's a brilliant character movie. It's one of my favorites. It's all about Loki and like the Loki series coming out and Matt Damon was in the church, in the get up being like. Yeah.
01:16:54
Speaker
I've got the t-shirt, I've got the Buddy Christ t-shirt that offends Christians every time I go grocery shopping. It's just, but yeah, all Catholics rather. But yeah, there was some legal battle that meant that you can't have a copy of the movie anymore. Legally. Yeah, legally. Anyway, so Spider-Man No Way Home. What did you think of the trailer? Well, I am a curious, I am very curious. Why is Doctor Strange being such a dick?
01:17:24
Speaker
Could we finally get Mephisto? Is Dr. Strange possessed? What is going on? He's arrogant, but is he arrogant enough to fuck with the space-time continuum just to help some kid that he fought with a battle win once? I don't think so, chefs. I don't think so. I think we're getting a one more day comic book. I think we're getting that. That'd be sick. I'd love that.
01:17:47
Speaker
can you explain one more day for the uh non-marvel reader in me so in the original civil war comic which was a massive multi-comic event i did was actually i was only reading wolverine at that time so i do know civil war yeah
01:18:02
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So this was all around the Superhuman Registration Act, which he kind of saw in the Civil War with the Sokovia records. And as part of his openly supporting Tony Stark's pro registration, Peter Parker, who to this point was a secret to everyone, no one knew, a few people did, but the majority, no one knew that Peter Parker was Spider-Man. He famously unmasked himself in this, you know, I am Spider-Man situation.
01:18:32
Speaker
Instantly regretted it all these enemies were like sweet. I'm gonna fucking I'm gonna fuck up. I'm gonna fuck up Mary Jane All your mates like a heavy heavy price. Yeah, so after the Civil War He basically made it he'd struck a deal with the devil. So he goes to Mephisto and says
01:18:51
Speaker
Basically, I want to get my secret back and make the world forget that I'm Peter Parker and Spider-Man the same person. And the payoff was that he, as part of that, he lost his marriage to Mary Jane from memory.
01:19:08
Speaker
So that was a big one. I don't remember. There was so many comics and I was- But I think that's the whole one more day. He has one more day to spend time with people as Peter Parker and Spider-Man and then a bunch of them, which is kind of alluded to in the trailer where he's like, Oh wait, I want, I want MJ to remember. I want, I want, you know. Don't mess with the spell. Yeah, exactly. Um, so yeah, it's going to be interesting, but I, I would definitely say that strangers acting weird. Um, and,
01:19:37
Speaker
The fact that he agreed to do it in the first place, is that what you mean? Just the way that Benedict Cumberbatch is actually playing him. It's like... And that smile he gives Peter after Wong goes into the teleportation thing, it looks... And Wong goes, don't cast that spell. Don't get it. And he goes, yeah, it won't. And then does a wink and a smile. It's like, yeah, you're an arrogant piece of shit because you're Doctor Strange. But that was...
01:19:59
Speaker
That was a weird one. It left me a bit like, oh, hang on. That's not right. I love that you just get that shot of Alfred Molina as Doc Ock from the previous Spider-Man IP. We're getting the Sinister Six. We're definitely getting a Sinister Six. You see a pumpkin bomb in there. You see Electro's lightning. What looks like Sandman sand.
01:20:22
Speaker
the lightning hitting. Um, so where the Sandman cause to the end of Spider-Man three, he's actually defending Peter. Like, is he going to be the same guy? Uh, there's a shot there where there's like a hokey shadowy figure and everyone reckons it's lizard. Um, but I will, I will lose my shit if Willem Dafoe comes back as green goblin.
01:20:44
Speaker
If I get that, I'm just looking at the cast list and there's nothing about. In fact, there's a very short cast list at this stage. Yeah, because they're keeping it all under wraps. Like, they couldn't keep Alfred Marlena under wraps because as soon as he got cast, he was like, fuck, yes. Willem Dafoe is listed as...
01:21:04
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What's he listed as? Even, yeah, but they might throw him in there. It might just be a two second. I'm pretty sure it was Willem Dafoe's laugh when you saw that pumpkin bomb thrown on that bridge. Fairly certain it was too. Yeah, so he's playing Green Goblin.
01:21:19
Speaker
I did see whether or not it was faked or not. I did see like some shaky camcorder action from one of the recent comms over in Brazil or Europe, but there was a shot that showed Maguire and Garfield. So where they were actually getting them, there's been a lot of speculation. Are the three spider men coming together? If they don't do it, they're going to get absolutely shot down by fans for not doing it because everybody wants it.
01:21:46
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And I want a Miles Morales. That'd be another one to bring out of the spot of us. I know they've said they're going to do more with that, but, but there's, I think there was a little old man, Spider-Man played by Tobey Maguire currently. Like that'd be sick. Like.
01:22:02
Speaker
Yeah, the rundown, the rundown Peter Parker from Into the Spiders. Yeah. Yeah. Track pants and just Spider-Man top. Fuck yeah. Getting to do that. And I would hope, I would like to think that he wasn't arrogant enough that he wouldn't do it. I would like to think that he, he would give me the fucking track pants. This is, this is, I don't want to squeeze into that fucking spandex again. I don't want to work out and get to,
01:22:30
Speaker
Like film quality where I have to look trim give me the fucking track pants and the spider-man top and that's what I'm wearing see I'm thinking that he would be like because he's older he'd be like Dark Knight Returns Batman version of spider-man like a like a built chunky like I'm old I'm grizzled but I can still like
01:22:49
Speaker
Like I'm very fucking strong. Very old man Batman. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or like he's an armored Spider-Man, kind of like Spider-Man 2099. Like he's got, he has to rely on like an armored suit now rather than just like more of a spandex suit. Did you notice the new suit that Spider-Man was wearing is very much like the latest nanotech. I know that he already had that suit in Endgame.
01:23:13
Speaker
Can I just voice my opinion on the nanotech shit? I fucking hate it. My opinion voiced. Continue, Peter. Okay. Well, I was going to move on to the latest Bond film. Oh, I thought you were talking about the Spider-Man nanosuit and I cut in.
01:23:31
Speaker
No, just to me, the aesthetic has changed between Endgame and now. It is very much Tony Stark's final suit of Iron Man armour with a different colour scheme to it. Well, he has the Iron Spider suit in his shots. He has the forearms coming out, but he's still wearing the suit that he developed in Homecoming. Not Homecoming. What was the scene?
01:23:54
Speaker
Homecoming and Far From Home. I just found the aesthetic was just tweaked my interest and I don't remember seeing it quite that smooth. He's meant to have another suit in it as well, whether it's...
01:24:11
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Well, they have a very black and red suit. Black and gold suit. He's meant to have as well. And there's meant to be, there's been some shots of some promotional stuff where he's got like a strange inspired suit or like a strange upgrade to his web shooters. It's like a combination, you know, like kind of.
01:24:30
Speaker
from Infinity War where Strange cast a spell and then Iron Man shot through it when they were doing the fight in New York. So like kind of riffing off that. But yeah, I'm, I'm very keen. I love a good bit of Spider-Man action. So can I totally agree. And as soon as the six film, like we've, we're overdue for it. We're, you know,
01:24:49
Speaker
Cause that'd be the sixth one would be bring back vulture. Hmm. Hmm. Yeah. Then you'd see it again. Michael Keaton, man to be Andy, Andy, Andy's in Morbius.
01:25:02
Speaker
Is he? Yeah. Haven't you said the Morbius, the Morbius trailer? He's, he's in the Morbius trailer. I don't remember the Morbius trailer. It was probably 12 months ago. He's in it. He's in it as Vulture, as whatever the, whatever the guy's name is.
01:25:21
Speaker
But yeah, they're definitely in it. And so, yeah, he's definitely spreading himself around in these comic book properties at the moment. And the good old Michael Keaton. I'm getting that sweet paycheck, so why wouldn't you? Yeah, well fuck it. Who doesn't love Michael Keaton anyway. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I totally agree.
01:25:36
Speaker
lives in the same, established that it's in the same universe as the, or same continuity as the MCU. There's, yeah, some Spider-Man references in that trailer too. It has been a long time since that trailer came out. In Morbius, yeah. And then there's, there's, there's now rumours that Venom is in the Morbius movie as well. So they're, they're trying, it sounds like that they're, Sony's trying to backdoor everything.
01:26:01
Speaker
or Disney's trying to steal the IP through the back door. Reclaim it. I totally agree. I think it's more the other way around that Sony's trying to back door these things all in. Trying to keep that contract valid. We'll play a game. Yeah, sure. Yeah, that's exactly it. Pull the wool over the unknowing people's eyes that it's all one big universe, so they'll go and see all the Sony.
01:26:29
Speaker
The Sony properties because they think they're linked to the MCU properties and they're the only reason we don't already have Wolverine and a fucking The same MCU as everything else 20th Century Fox
01:26:42
Speaker
Not saying. X-Men was Fox. Same with Fantastic Four. You Google the way, but it's definitely Fox. And now Marvel, now Disney now own Fox. Yeah, okay. I see that screen change. He's definitely googling it. I've moved on.
01:27:03
Speaker
I remember the list of production studios that I've got access to, but yeah, 20th Century Fox came under someone else's banner. I couldn't remember who it was. And then you said it was Disney. Cause yes, they did buy Disney's Disney bought them. So that would be why, um, James Bond. I don't want to spend too much time on the trailer looks cool, but look, it's another fucking
James Bond & Kingsman Movie Discussions
01:27:22
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James Bond movie. It's not that exciting. Oh, that trailer got me excited. It was like a little,
01:27:27
Speaker
It was a greatest hits of Daniel Craig's bond and he's been a great bond. He has been a great bond. I won't disagree with that, but at the same time, how many times have you watched an awesome bond trailer to be disappointed by the movie? I'm at a point where I don't get it. I love bond.
01:27:46
Speaker
Yeah, OK. Dad and I love Bond. Like, my dad's definitely some sort of super spy. And I know he's listened to these occasionally, but I'm on to you, Dad. I'm on to you. I think I'd prefer to watch another Mission Impossible than I would another Bond. Oh, God, no. No, I'll describe to you there. I'll watch Bond movies for the next 20 years if I never say another Mission Impossible movie again.
01:28:08
Speaker
Even if it contains that, that Aussie actor that wasn't really an actor. Yeah. He was only in for one for a reason. He wasn't a fucking actor and they figured out that he was full of shit. You lied for his resume. But it's not like I got a NASA and say I built a rocket ship. Fucking hell. Uh, Kingsman was the last trailer in trailer trash for movies. Um, and it looks the King's man. We're on.
01:28:37
Speaker
It looks okay. I'm excited for it. I love the Kingsman films. And this looks great. I think craving like some like old, like it sounds weird, but some like good world war one, world war two, like action film. Like I want to, I'm, I'm having that kind of. Oh, he's right pulling up his Rasputin.
01:28:56
Speaker
Yeah. He's not playing Rasputin. Ray Fines is the king's man. I thought it was a disguise. I'm just in images. There's another actor who looks a lot like Ray Fines who is playing Rasputin. Rasputin's like the main bad guy in this.
01:29:17
Speaker
It looks it looks great it's got a Gemma Atherton's in it as well. There's the other guy who was in, um, Guardians of the Galaxy. Fuck, I'm trying to remember his name. Right now. Stanley Tukey? No.
01:29:33
Speaker
They're the African guy. Yeah. Yeah. He's good. He's good and everything. Demon. Oh, Honsu. He's Papa Midnight in Constantine years. He was so underused as Papa Midnight. In that trailer as well, he looks so agile. It looks like, I think he's going to have the most intense fighting since I'm so excited to watch.
01:30:02
Speaker
I love a good choreograph fighting scene and I think he's going to be absolutely sick in that. It looks great. I mean, it's definitely got that same vibe you get. Yeah, that vibe from the other ones, but just setting that World War One period, I think that's going to be like some of those old world gadgety things. And maybe it's because I just played all those Bioshock games, but like
01:30:23
Speaker
I want some revolvers and some, some single shot rifles. Like, you know, I just got to go watch glorious bastards or something. Let's get that kick from, you know, it's very random. Hey, I'm just, I'm just wondering if it's Daniel, gentlemen, Tom, get some Connery on you. That's right. Um, I'm just wondering if it's Daniel brawl that you were talking about. Cause I'm sure he was the bad guy in captain.
01:30:49
Speaker
Yeah, he was he was the he was the in the Captain America Civil War film. He was the one that he's Baron Zemo. Yeah. Yeah. He's in winter. Is that who you were talking about? Dan, you said the guy from.
01:31:02
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the guy from the movies. No, I said that. Oh, I said, I was trying to remember Shimon Honsu's name. Oh, right. Okay. Cause he was in guides of the galaxy. Okay. I'm going to close that screen cause clearly I'm only half listening. Um, thanks man. Uh, and you wanted to talk about games. Can I, I kind of,
01:31:20
Speaker
Yeah, it was last
Gamescom Highlights
01:31:22
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week. I just I haven't really tuned into any of it until the Midnight Suns trailer that I think Ben logged. Tom put it up. Tom put it up. I thought it was Ben, sorry. Gamescom. Yeah, Gamescom was last week. It was, I mean, we wouldn't have really paid much attention to it because everything was really Xbox focused.
01:31:43
Speaker
Which was a really weird thing for them, but hey, whatever. Microsoft obviously put a bunch of money behind it, and Sony said, fuck you, we'll do our own thing. And Nintendo only did their own things. Fuck them Sony, yet again. Should we be talking about our third beer here before? We talked about the Magic Eye, but we actually never talked about what the beer was like. Oh, the actual beer itself, yeah.
01:32:06
Speaker
That's a good fit. Before we roll further into Gamescom. The Magic Eye is great. I mean, it's a really nice West Coast IPA. It's got a good business level. It's got some really good pineapple, citrusy fruit characters. I get a lot of pineapple passion fruit out of it.
01:32:27
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I get more of that pine needle, like classic West Coast piney-ness. I don't get much pineapple, but yeah. Oh really? I would say we both have the same batch, I would almost say. I think they only did one. What's your best before on the bottom of the can?
01:32:43
Speaker
21st of the 4th, 22? Yep. Same batch. There we go. Hashtag 384. Was that number 384? There we go. There we go. It's really nice. I just, I love these. Oh, it's a great West Coast. Yeah. These clean, really hot expressions. Very filtered. Well, not filtered, but settled. Yeah. West Coast IPAs that are just, the flavor expression on them when they get these right is just amazing.
01:33:13
Speaker
Yeah. Yes. Get it. I'm drinking. Sorry. Get it. What are you drinking? I'm drinking another batch. Um, I've been sport for choice, to be honest. I've got like 11 sours in the fridge. I changed my mind the last minute. I was going to have a neighbor, but thought, fuck it. I feel like another sour. You do you. So I'm, I'm drinking batch brewing's Beastie Boysenberry Sour Ale.
01:33:39
Speaker
Good old Beastie Boysenberry. And I couldn't remember, couldn't remember the last time I had a Boysenberry based sour ale. It is very, I probably can't see that as clearly as you should, but it's like a, it's a deep red, almost a, not quite Ribena purple, but it's a deep red and it is very tasty. You can tell it's got the same
01:34:01
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base kettle sour treatment as the rest of their sours. Cause I go through like a case of passion every couple of weeks. So I drink a shitload of, of their, um, passion fruit sour. And this is almost this, you know, in that series, if that makes sense, it feels like it tastes like the same base beer, but with a lot of boys and very, it's, um, it's lovely and it smells nice and dark berry flavored, which I really enjoy. So a bit of creaminess in there as well.
01:34:31
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're right. There is. There's lactose in it. So I was just checking. Yeah. I wouldn't have picked it unless you, until you asked me. It's sneaky that lactose, but that beer was originally made as a collaboration with the forest lodge hotel in Glebe for their hot wing competition. So it was like the, uh, the traditional milk to get rid of the chili burn. Yeah. It doesn't work. It's an urban myth, but.
01:35:00
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That's cool. A bit of history behind it. There you go. It's really quite nice. See, I can't tell you what hops were in the hazy pale, but I can tell you where the Beastie Boys are very originated. So I do listen occasionally at work. Andrew, if you're listening, because you won't be, there you go. I do pay attention.
01:35:16
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Big berry junky, that juice be funky, lactose at the dance for that creamy feel.
Marvel Midnight Suns Game Discussion
01:35:23
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They're embarrassing. Did you write this or something? No, no, I had nothing to do with it, but they went through this weird rap phase. Clearly. Yeah, it's just a bunch of white dudes, like, really going into rap. It's just the men can't rap. They can't jump either. Drink this berry sour. Here's how you'll feel. Put your left hand down, your right hand up, tilt your head back. Let's finish the cup.
01:35:48
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So, Gamescom 2021. Give yourself an uppercut, boys. No, it was all references. Anyway, yes. Marvel Midnight Suns. Marvel Midnight Suns was probably the biggest one out of there that was going to be relevant to us in terms of A, being multi-platform, in terms of multi-console, and B, something we're all interested in.
01:36:14
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It's made by the guys who made XCOM. So it's a strategy. 2X? 2K? 2K. 2K. Hmm. I've never played an XCOM. I don't know if you guys have played an XCOM game. Yep. Yeah, so that strategy game. And then they released today was a actual gameplay trailer. So the first thing they did was just a cinematic one. It is certainly extended Marvel Universe. Extended, extended.
01:36:43
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Yeah, so it's not read more based in the comics. It's not related to the MCU. You have characters that haven't appeared in the MCU yet, so it's... Well, they said there's 11 characters plus this new one, which is the Hunter, which is the main female character that you awake in the trailer.
01:37:01
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It's the player character. It can be male or female. When it's one game like this, I generally, personally, I just go, they made it a chick. Sorry, I'm going to play as a chick. It works better.
01:37:16
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I disagree that it's like it's obviously not canon, but I disagree that it's set outside of the MCU universe because the character models are dead ringers for the actors that are playing the characters in the extended in the MCU. It's got nothing to do with MCU. I think that strange looks nothing like well, not nothing like Cumberbatch, but it looks far enough away from him. Really? You don't reckon? Yeah, no, not at all. And even down to like
01:37:45
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I can't remember her name now. Captain Marvel, Brie Larson. Thank you, Captain Marvel. It does look like Brie Larson. Same haircut, same fucking outfit of all the costumes they could appear. Which is all ripped from the comic books. Yeah. Yeah, of course. They've all got the same soft material. This isn't a chicken and eggs scenario. Comics definitely came first, and the MCU's ripped from that. No, it's not a chicken and eggs scenario. Thanks, Tom. But there's about 25 different costumes they could have picked for any of these characters. And they picked the ones that are in the fucking movies we watched a couple of years ago. And you're telling me it's unlinked.
01:38:12
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I call bullshit. I call bullshit on that. It's got nothing to do with the MCU. It's based on a 90s comic book that the dude fell in love with. I'm not suggesting that the core content doesn't come from completely different source material. From a marketing point of view, you got a hundred customisable costumes they've gone on about you can have. If you can have the MCU costumes if you want. And I'm first thing I'm doing is changing that fucking ghost writer.
01:38:36
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Yeah, I like that Ghost Rider. I don't mind it, but it's not my Ghost Rider. I don't know if you'll be able to go back to a Johnny Blaze Ghost Rider though. Oh no, I'd probably go Dan Ketch.
01:38:50
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Yeah, but Robbie race is all about he's got a muscle car. He doesn't he's got like a Camaro. He doesn't have a bike. Yeah Yeah, I just love to see blade to you know in an in a property like this. It's cool to see blade It's gonna be for me. It's gonna be hunter ghost rider and blade
01:39:08
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That's going to be my team. Just the absolute dark team, like the supernatural dark team. But it's a cool little mix. You've got a bunch of the cool supernatural characters. You've got Blade Ghost Rider we've just mentioned. You've got Doctor Strange, obviously, which is kind of like the bridge between the regular MCU and the supernatural MCU. You have Magic from the X-Men, who is Colossus' younger sister.
01:39:30
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Um, and then you have one of the runaways, uh, Nico, um, who is a witch character and her power is all based around. She can't cast the same spell twice. It's a very interesting kind of power to have. Like she has to come up with like a different variations every time of how she's going to use it. Thinking out. So that, that not only challenges that, well, I'm talking like it's a real person, but that
01:39:56
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That must be one enormous son of a bitch for the writers. So I reckon everybody who's written that character after the initial person has just gone, fuck you. What fucking mind? You just, you just fucking wrote this character just to screw with everybody for the next fucking hundred years. This character is included in anything.
01:40:17
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Yeah, because you're going to have to have a running list of every spell she's ever passed through the entire history. Yeah, you're going to have people in there that have got these lists that are ready to go. He or she, whoever came up with this character, has just been laughing the whole fucking time. 100%. 100%. Every time they've seen her appear in something. It was probably one of the... I reckon it'd be the best thing to do if it was like you knew your contract was up and you weren't going to renew it and you're like getting out.
01:40:42
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Like, you know, yeah, yeah, just establish this is cannon and then you guys have to fucking deal with it and make that character an enormous linchpin in something like civil war where they can't just write her out because that character has to stay in for this reason. If you don't leave this character in the universe unravels.
01:41:06
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But looking at the character list they've done. Well you got Wolverine. Oh yeah and then you got regular MCU heroes or regular Marvel heroes. You got Wolverine, Iron Man, Captain America, Captain Marvel have been shown so far. Well they said there's gonna be 11 Marvel characters and then there'll be, the 12th will be the Hunter. Which is the, she's meant to be the daughter of Lilith who is the mother of demons and it's all
01:41:35
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all very supernatural. Um, it is based on yet, uh, comic run from 92, I think it was the guy said in the, the play through today, the like developer interview. Um, if you look at that, the lineup they had in that was blade was there, ghost writer was there, but they had Morbius was in, but I don't know if they're included him. Um, there are a bunch of other, like a little bit more obscure, like Marvel heroes from over the ages, but like he said he put it perfectly. He was like, it was a,
01:42:05
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like, hair metal love letter, like, to the supernatural world. Like, the characters were big and kind of boisterous and then they were just over the top. The costumes look cool. The costumes do look cool. I just, I don't know, this card thing's thrown me a bit. Yeah. Having never played an XCOM suit. No, that's got nothing to do with XCOM. XCOM didn't play that way either.
01:42:28
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No, but just like that full strategy thing. I guess it's because I'm getting my ass handed to me by I'm playing Dragon Age on Nightmare at the moment. It's that more strategy kind of thing. It's like I should be able to block here, but it's like rolling dice, like invisible dice to get like hits and stuff. I don't know. It seems like an interesting randomization. It seems like a very uninteresting monetization to me, but continue.
01:42:55
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If they sell cards, yeah, I suppose all random decks. Of course they fucking sell cards. No, they've already said they're not. I do not believe that in a slight. All right, Mr Peasant. I guess we'll just have to see. I like the creativity idea in using the environment to interact with your spells. It reminded me of... Yeah, that's really cool.
01:43:20
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I got vibes from DC Universe online. We've got a bunch of different universes or different character sets in the same Extender Universe mashed together in a cool way. I was disappointed that there's no co-op or... And it felt like when I was watching it, having no idea what the fuck it was until I watched it during our break, it felt almost like it was going to be an MMORPG.
01:43:44
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So, I'm almost disappointed that they didn't make it into an MMORPG because I think that would've been cool too. See, I'd rather than bring back the old X-Men Legends or the Marvel Ultimate Alliance. I want that gameplay again for a Marvel game. You got a roster of
01:44:01
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I want a big roster. I'm saying like 100 plus heroes you can choose from, maybe not 100, maybe say 50, 50 heroes you can choose from, but you can make a squad of four. And unlike the dreaded Avengers game that I will not talk about, um, you seem to bring up every episode that you won't talk about. But anyway, I've got a lot of PTSD from playing that Peter and I'm trying to therapy myself through it. Um, but no,
01:44:24
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being able just to switch between, if you have a squad of four, they're saying like, cool, I'm going to go as storm, for example, and fly up and cast lightning bolts. But on the other side, I'm going to quickly switch over and be captain America and shield charge in. And then like being able to play more that way, like I'd much rather that style of gameplay, but I guess I'm just me and I'm not going to get that.
01:44:45
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And I'm probably, I think I'm, Dan, you never played DC Universe online, did you? A little bit, yeah. Okay. I do. There's, there are some redeeming features about that game that I enjoyed. I have some fun memories of kind of flying from Metropolis to Gotham and interacting with a million characters and half of whom I'd never heard of until that. And then you go back and go, it's literally all based on comics that I've never heard of. So it was a cool way to get it to kind of come to terms with the extended DC Universe.
01:45:14
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would have been cool if they'd done something similar here, but the game looks fun. That's very base limiting, I think. I think there's a lot more people. There's a lot more.
01:45:25
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I'm not sure we'll see another big MMO again. I know Amazon's trying to bring one out with the New World, which was also at Gamescom, but I'm not sure we'll see one on the scale of Warcraft and that ever again. We'll see things like Destiny and
01:45:47
Speaker
very division for your Fortnite division. Well, maybe not even for Fortnite. It's not an MMO. It's a fucking, it's a true. It's a, it's a battle royale, battle royale. That's it. Um, can I say the weirdest thing I saw today? Call of duty war zone is getting judged red. Do it that way when you will. Oh,
01:46:10
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Really? Okay. It came up today. It was like, it was mic drop. Yeah. Yeah. Judge Dred is going to be in Call of Duty war zone. Okay. Yep. What the fuck? Anyway. Yep. Um, I think this was, uh, I think this was an excellent choice for them to go. I mean, I've spoken recently about my, my joyous love of
01:46:30
Speaker
turn-based combat games, especially since I busted my arm and that's all I could play for three or four months and really, really kept my sanity there. And I mean, I've always enjoyed them anyway. So I think... Don't get me wrong, Lord of the Rings Third Age is one of my favourite games of all time and that's a turn-based strategy. That's a turn-based game.
01:46:48
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It throws me a little bit that it's only... They've taken a different route and even going to the Marvel games you were just talking about, they're always four in a team. This one's three in a team. And it just seems a weird odd number because you're no longer working
01:47:06
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They're talking about combinations between heroes and you're now no longer working with two and two. You almost have to have that hunter character as a central pivotal character that will work
01:47:23
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their power will work in combination with the other two that you choose. So I'm going to be really disappointed if you get in there and your choices are limited between people being like maybe Blade and Wolverine, for example, may lay close quarters and then you've got
01:47:41
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someone like Strange who's a glass cannon long distance and Captain America is close by but he only works with someone like Iron Man that is a long range. It's going to have to be your character to bridge the gap almost.
01:47:54
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Yeah, and I'm going to be really disappointed if that's the way they go and that they force you. Oh, they did kind of talk about that in that she, the Hunter character can go more dark magic or more light magic and that will affect the way the team plays out. And so, like, the dark magic is more destructive, but it has
01:48:12
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I guess more of a cost on the team, whereas the light magic is more supportive healing, that kind of route of like play style, but it has a more, I guess, positive effect on the team or like plays differently out in terms of the whole general story. They don't try and pigeonhole you into picking certain, I hope they don't try and pigeonhole you to use different characters for
01:48:40
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the scenario you're going to, like make you use all the characters instead of the characters you want to use.
01:48:47
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Yeah. Well, I mean, at the moment, there's no real tank character either. I guess Wolverine is probably the tankiest you'd get. But you need, you definitely need someone like a... Wolverine! I know he can be a... Wolverine kind of breaks that model, man, because he is very much DPS, but he's also very tanky because he's going to take the hit.
01:49:11
Speaker
I was just saying we need someone that can... Tanki would be... He's big and bulky, who would then be able to Fastball Special him. Because if I cannot Fastball Special in this game, then it is not worth playing. I don't think you're going to because there'll be no Colossus and there'll be no Hulk, there'll be no Juggernaut, there'll be no no one that can... Pick him up and throw him. I mean, if he... You know what? You can do a leap off, leap off Cap's shoulder. Cap's shield, sorry.
01:49:38
Speaker
Like it lands there and then you just push him right off and then, yeah, that'd work. How about Wolverine bouncing off cap shield to fast ball special through a Dr. Strange portal. That works. Just slap him in the back of the head. My eyes just rolled into the back of my head. I can't think straight anymore. Dear God, what was that? It was possessed.
01:50:08
Speaker
I don't even know how to respond to that. What near is it just me? I think we found the screenshot for the episode though. What else is announced at Gamescom? Let's move on, Marvel suns. We'll see more as it comes out. It looks interesting. Saints Rose getting rebooted. Well, I've just got to say that obviously that has enormously, once again, it's Marvel, but it's something quite different and it's obviously captured our attention even more than
01:50:36
Speaker
It's probably captured my attention more than I probably thought it would from the first trailer. I think it was just so unexpected. I hadn't heard anything about it. It came really out of nowhere. Yeah, and I think that's probably a good thing as well. We've been pretty starved for a good Marvel game for a long time. And it's coming from an established studio who make absolute kick-ass games, whether or not I haven't played them, but I know how well they get received. Like, I think that it's the pedigree behind it that's really pushing that forward.
01:51:05
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And as much as Pete disagrees, it's not a MCU property. And that's what probably drives me more towards it than anything else, is, once again, we've got a Blade, we've got a Ghost Rider. They're the guys I've wanted to see for so long, and they're the ones that I want to see once again in their solo games, and I'd love to see them reappear in an MCU and really stick it up.
01:51:29
Speaker
Don't get me wrong, I love the current MCU characters, but they would be such a juxtaposition to these guys. Blade and Robbie Ray's Ghost Rider were in the most recent Avengers arc that I read, which was in the last year and a half. They were prominent members of, it was like Cap, Iron Man, Captain Marvel, Blade, Ghost Rider.
01:51:53
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None of the X-Men, there was someone else in there, but yeah, yeah, like they were like, weirdly had been put into the, the Avengers like core lineup. So they were definitely trying to push them, but, and I guess this is another way to do that, but yeah.
01:52:05
Speaker
Yeah, no, that's great. I think it's great. I mean, I love seeing those characters again and mixing them with Strange and Wolverine and some of those others. The runaway girl now really interests me that she can't cast the same spell twice. That's going to be super interesting. How do they play that out gameplay wise? They're not going to be able to.
01:52:26
Speaker
No, but if that's her ability, they have to. There is going to be such an enormous backlash if they don't do that. They have to do it. They're going to change it somehow. She must have a million lines of dialogue, that voice actor. She's probably the highest paid actor in that whole thing, just because she has to record every single song. Unless they made it a random spell cast.
01:52:50
Speaker
how would they even do that? Oh, you know what? It'd be the same spell and it'd be a random generated name for it. It'd be something like that, like she has to- Like the slightly different specs on the spell or something? Yeah, they have to change it slightly in-game to make it work, but yeah.
Saints Row Reboot Insights
01:53:05
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Saints Road. That's interesting. Saints Road. Have you guys ever played any of the Saints Road games? I think a lot of-
01:53:11
Speaker
Yeah, I think I might have spent like five minutes on it, but didn't it go all weird? Yeah, it got really cool. I started with Saints Row 3. Big purple dildo bats. Big purple dildo bats. Where you were knocking people out with a giant purple dildo. That's where it started to get wacky. And then Saints Row 4, you got superpowers. So they were the two. Yeah, and then there was the spin-off where you got sent to hell and it was got out of hell.
01:53:42
Speaker
Right so they've obviously gone no that's that's that's weird let's pull it back so they've gone back to Saints Row 3 which is where it was like a little bit wacky but it wasn't it wasn't super natural it was all yeah it was still you were still gangsters it was still GTA kind of like
01:54:01
Speaker
Because that's what I thought it was, it was like the go-bots for GTA. Oh yeah, essentially that's what it started as, yeah. It was a complete rip-off of GTA. And then they started being like, it was like, what are we going to smoke today and come up with in terms of what we can do? That's exactly how it came across at the time. Yeah, but I remember playing like sensory four and it was like, you could fly, but you could still pull someone out of their car and steal it. It's like, well, why would I if I could fly?
01:54:29
Speaker
But they were still that element of the game. You just knock someone off their bike and take it and all that kind of jazz. So they've taken it back, they're rebooting it. It's more, I guess, Earth-centric, but they said there will be some...
01:54:44
Speaker
If you've played the Saints Row series, it will be Saints Row 3-esque. It will still be a little bit wacky. There'll still be some weird, like, there's still lasers in it, like, so it's not just guns and rocket launchers. But it's going back to that kind of thing, which is interesting. We'll see how it works. The other ones I took away from it was
01:55:03
Speaker
If I got another look at the LEGO Star Wars Skywalker Saga, which has been delayed multiple times. It's looking at a March to May, so they said a Spring US 22 release, which is for us is Autumn 22. Can I just jump on the Sains Row thing? Yes. If they can throw, even if it's parts of missions in there that were elements that were in the trailer like
01:55:27
Speaker
them driving backwards along the ledge on the top of the building while the guys driving in the road down below them, if they can throw things in there like the guy flicking his motorbike up and grabbing the hand of the driver of the car as he flips over the top of it and her pulling him into the car. Those sort of things, those
01:55:50
Speaker
Even if they're just cinematic button press cutscenes. Which they were on 3 and 4. You could do things like that. They had takedowns when you're doing a melee attack. You'd do wrestling moves. They were still kind of earth-based things, but you'd give people the people's elbow and that would destroy them. It definitely feels like they'll do that.
01:56:14
Speaker
If they just incorporate those sort of things into there, and even if they're only in the main missions, the core story scripted missions, that's enough to get me in. Outside of the elements, the extra elements that they'll throw in the open world, if they just put them in there, that's fun enough for me to go, yeah, this is going to be a good time and I'm going to want to get to the next main mission to go, what?
01:56:37
Speaker
What silly thing are they going to have me do in this one? Even if you're not driving the car, if you're the shooter and you wouldn't be driving the car because that's too hard to drive along the edge of a building backwards, as it is in Italy again. Sorry, are you trying to speak for yourself? Yeah, are you trying to make the crazy thing to sound like...
01:56:55
Speaker
Oh, you'd never do that in real life. Can you imagine trying to do that even in GTA drive? The reverse controls in the vehicles in GTA were bad enough as it is. True. Like, trying to do it along the edge of a building and keep it up there for the story mission would be enormously frustrating. So they're going to throw you in as the gunner, not as the reverse driver.
01:57:19
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things like that. I mean, that's... Or just not have the controls reversed. Or not have the controls reversed. But where's the fun in that?
01:57:28
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. No, definitely. I get what you mean. If they're putting that amount of craziness in there, it's going to... What is it? You've picked my curiosity. Yeah, definitely. That's definitely what it is. Yeah, sorry.
Lego Star Wars Skywalker Saga
01:57:42
Speaker
Continue. Lego Star Wars. These fuckers need to stop delaying this fucking thing and just release the damn thing. Yeah, I agree. Why is it taking so long though?
01:57:51
Speaker
I think they've made a million LEGO games. What's the problem? I don't know. I don't know what it is. They've made a million LEGO Star Wars games too. It's not even like it's the first time the IP has been mashed together with the blocks. I mean, get it. Yeah. I don't know. I'm a bit annoyed. I've had it. It's been sitting in my pre-order cart for months. Can you imagine it's technical?
01:58:13
Speaker
It's going to be technical difficulties with, you know, having to release it to a eleven teen fucking consoles at the same time. But then you try a damn switch holding us up. Fucking switch port. Totally will. Fucking port to the switch. Just fucking us all around. And then the switch goes and releases the new upscaled version. So now they've got to go back in and change all the fucking parameters for the fucking graphics for the fucking switch upgrade. So now we've got to change that shit over. As long as, yeah.
01:58:43
Speaker
Sorry, we're having trouble with the Game Boy colour release. I knew that would make your eyes light up Tom. The Game Boy Advance version with a little flip up screen. I'm excited. I've always loved the Star Lego games, especially the Lego Star Wars ones. They were fun. They were fun. I actually think it's fucking them up this time and I don't know if it's going to be a good thing or not.
01:59:07
Speaker
It's going to be the first LEGO Star Wars game that has a true open world hub. So I've played most of the LEGO games, but if you think like LEGO Avengers or LEGO Marvel Super Heroes or even DC, you do have that central, especially in LEGO Marvel Super Heroes, you've got one and two. In one, you have whole of New York. So you run across the whole of New York, whole of Manhattan.
01:59:32
Speaker
You find little missions here, you find little vehicles there, little character tokens, wherever. But that's like your base hub, but it's massive. It's huge. It's the island of Manhattan. Like, you know, if you're in real life, it takes you a good solid day to walk it, having actually done that. So they're creating this big kind of open world hub and then you go off and do your missions in your little areas or whatever, but come back.
01:59:57
Speaker
Which is 90... Your missions are going to be 90% of the game though. No, no, I was saying they've never done that in a Star Wars game before. No, I get it. But why would you spend 90% of your energy on 10% of the fucking game? It's almost superfluous to the actual game.
02:00:11
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Yeah. Well, I mean, they don't. They end up splitting it like more 60-40. You do spend a fair bit of time in those hubs in those LEGO games. Whether it's little like flying missions around. It's been a while since I've played one I have to admit. I think it was episode two was the last Star Wars LEGO game I played.
02:00:30
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So episode two. Lego Star Wars 2. Lego Star Wars 2. Yeah, which was based on, yeah, which was, uh, which was based on episode two, the second Star Wars film in the prequel trilogy. No. So the first Lego Star Wars game was episodes one, two, and three. And then Lego Star Wars 2 was the original trilogy. Right. So that was back on the, that was back on the PS2 and GameCube. And then they did the six of them in one.
02:01:00
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trust me. Maybe I played the 16 one. That's what I would've played. And I never finished more than the second episode. I was playing it from one to six. Yeah. But your hub was the Cantina. It's not a big thing. When you go to like the Lego Marvel series, you're looking at like,
02:01:19
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they had a whole bunch of side quests, all this other things. So if you're trying to actually finish everything in the game, you're actually spending a fair bit of time in the hub world compared to like doing the missions. You do the mission once and then you do the mission on free play to get all the collectibles. But then in the actual hub, you spend a fair bit of time going around doing side quests and finding character tokens and finding
02:01:42
Speaker
vehicle tokens and all this kind of stuff. I'm just going to look it up on my trophy list because I have vivid memories of having to. I was trophy hunting in that game, but I don't remember finishing the other parts of the trilogy. Anyway, talk about Vanguard while I look this up, please.
02:02:02
Speaker
Oh, I'm just going to... Unless you had more about Lego. I have a lot of things to say about Lego. I love Legos. Tom, I apologise if this is a question that has already been asked or something that has already come up, but do we know... What's the roster of characters in...? Oh, it's going to be every character from one to nine. They'll probably have some DLC that include Mando.
02:02:30
Speaker
I would think so, yeah. Yeah, they'll have some Rebels DLC, they'll have some Clone Wars, some Bad Batch. It's all those things. Yeah. Okay, cool. If I can go round as Wrecker, I'll be enormously happy. I imagine by the time that comes out, yeah, by the time it comes out, which will be, yeah, looking around. This could be another point of delay too, is I mean, Disney is now releasing these things. Imagine if they didn't know of the Bad Batch.
02:02:56
Speaker
and all of a sudden go, well, you need, you now need to animate the bad batch into all this. And they go, well, well, that's another, that's not going to work. Yeah. Um, what are you looking at Peter? Cause I, I'll just, I'll correct you out.
02:03:12
Speaker
No, no, I'm not I'm not trying to fuck man. I'm not trying to challenge you. I was saying I have vivid memories of trophy hunting in a LEGO Star Wars game. So I'm just going back through my trophy list on the PlayStation Network to try and find which game I played because it's got the entire history since there was a LEGO Clone Wars game as well, which was on the PS3.
02:03:35
Speaker
And there was definitely LEGO Star Wars. LEGO The Lord of the Rings I platinumed. LEGO Batman two-way platinumed. I've never played any of them. I've played the demos at that reason. I remember many, many, many. They're so good. My favorite memory of LEGO Star Wars was them. So up until...
02:03:57
Speaker
So I think, because these were back on the PS2 where trophies weren't prevalent. So the trophies only came in on the PS3 and the first LEGO Star Wars game on the PS3 was LEGO Star Wars, The Clone Wars, which is all based around the TV series. Yeah, it's definitely not in here. So you're right. So you would have played it on the PS2. PS2 or GameCube is what I played them all on. The original trilogy and then the saga, which was all the first six films. But up until
02:04:29
Speaker
I think it was Marvel Super Heroes, one of those PS3, PS4 games. They didn't have any voice acting in any of them.
Call of Duty Vanguard Excitement
02:04:40
Speaker
So the way they did the Vader father reveal in Empire Strikes Back was Vader held up a photo
02:04:50
Speaker
Yeah, it was like, but it was Vader holding up a Lego. So, you know, he's got his little Lego hand. He's holding up a little brick and it's got Vader with Padme and Padme's pregnant and he's pointing to the, like pointing to the pregnant stomach being, and then pointing to Luke and going like, it's you.
02:05:08
Speaker
And that that was how they did the whole I am your father thing. It's very creative. Yeah. And all having a voice acting like it was it was genius. And I loved all of the games have been very creative and enjoyable. And I remember you had to collect and I'm sure I played the the six movies crammed into one Lego game because as you went through the game, you clicked the master bricks, which built
02:05:31
Speaker
the X-Wing or the TIE fighter, one of the two, I think it built like main ships from the series. Every mission you had to collect 10 bricks, which would build a ship relating to that mission. Then you could fly them as little mini ships. Yeah, that's it. So yeah, no, very enjoyable. Anyway, we need to talk about Call of Duty Vanguard or we're never getting, I mean, we could, and then we need to talk about this beer because I have a little mouthgasm every time I take a sip. I've been looking for this beer.
02:06:03
Speaker
I need a towel. It's happened. It's finally happened. I over shook it. We knew it was going to happen. Um, yeah, no, most of it's been completely involuntary.
02:06:16
Speaker
We'll talk about it now. Well, he's gone. Prime time. I know nothing about Call of Duty Vanguard. I remember seeing it came up a day and games gone. Quick! Quick! Quick! So, this is Duncan's Toasty Marshmallow Imperial Pastry Stout.
02:06:35
Speaker
Uh, Duncan's is a small, like a microbrewery on the North Island of New Zealand. Oh, okay. Yeah. In a place called, uh, Kapiti. I'm sure I'm pronouncing that wrong. So I apologise to all of the New Zealanders who listened to the show whilst waiting in the Centrelink line. Jesus, I came at you at the wrong time.
02:07:00
Speaker
I knew there was a knife going in there and it was going in real slow, but I didn't expect that little twist right at the end. He got it into the hill and then he just went...
02:07:16
Speaker
I would just like to point out I didn't spill a single drop of that on the ground or on my computer. It all went on the wood of the desk. Didn't wreck any of Emma's notes. I hope you're going to get a Chux or one of those super absorbent chamois. Definitely not a tea towel I took from the ground. No, definitely, definitely not a hospitality tea towel. I've seen many of those over my time. I'm disappointed in you, Tom. You should have taken a chamois, absorbed it all and then rung it out back into your fucking glass like a real man.
02:07:44
Speaker
Do you want me to squeeze this out? I'll squeeze this fresh. It's a fresh detail. I washed it yesterday. And I'm glad you didn't steal it on Emma's nose because isn't Emma a doctor? She's a doctor. Yes. Okay. Yeah, that would've been bad. Our brewer took a massive blowtorch to our kettle and toasted a truckload of marshmallows and lactose sugar for this beer. Enough said. Enjoy. Brings back memories, Dan.
02:08:08
Speaker
It does, yes. And Tom asked me about how we did the marshmallows for that, for the ray. That was a fun night. And I said to him exactly what that just said, is put them in the kettle and hit them with a blowtorch on top of the kettle. Because that's not how we did it. No. We did it all manually. Yeah. No, we sat there with literally like a handheld butane blowtorch, like a chef's cream brulee torch and a
02:08:36
Speaker
It was the upturn lead of the homebrew kit, or my homebrew kit at the brewery.
02:08:47
Speaker
And so we just laid out bags and bags of marshmallows and just hit them all with a torch, turn them all, hit them with a torch, throw them in the kettle. Yeah. 20 kilos of marshmallows when a single marshmallow probably weighs less than a gram is a lot of marshmallows. A lot of marshmallows. But I've got to say this beer is fucking spectacular. Can you hold the can up again, please? Sure. And the artwork is beautiful. Like I can only imagine it's some sort of
02:09:15
Speaker
Oh, it just looks like a pink and purple mess on my screen. I'll send you a photo. I suspect it's probably traditional artwork, to be honest, but Dunkins I've never heard of, and once I saw that it was from NZ. Yeah, Dunkins are good. They make some great moves. They've only just really started appearing over here. What's the name of the beer again? Toasty Marshmallow.
02:09:37
Speaker
Imperial Pastry Stout. I've got to say, it's like drinking fucking chocolate milk. It is spectacular. I've been looking forward to it since I saw it. It is very smooth artwork. I'll look it up. Yeah. So going on the stout train there, Peter, I am also drinking a stout, but my stout is more along my lines of stouts. Mine is a salt bush and oyster stout from Hop Nation.
02:10:07
Speaker
So it is their jawbone stout. So it's done with, once again, oyster stouts. There's some horrible hangovers coming back to haunt me. I just want a 6.3% so it's not too bad. But oh my God, it's salty and dry. My mouth is like, ASMR coming back at you. Definitely is. Where is it? I read it earlier when I was in the light and now I can't find it on the can again.
02:10:34
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uh locally forged salt bush um from mornington peninsula sea water do they say they they just got the hammer and tongs onto that one did they? sorry foraged locally foraged some minecraft action happening now it's featuring dan making his armor just with some salt
02:10:56
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Mornington Peninsula seawater and oyster shells. Oyster shells? Yeah, oyster shells make for a strong foundation for this in this brew. A unique malt blend creates a complex smooth stout, while Willamette, Anthem and Laurel hops add structure and depth. Dark, dry and slightly salty. It is definitely dry.
02:11:23
Speaker
It is definitely, definitely dry. I do love a good dry stout. Like a dry stout fucking gets me on. Yeah. It's got such a, it's got an enormous, it's got an enormous body to it and it is super dry. And there's that, that extra salt added to what makes that. Like I am, I am super posh at the moment. I've still got that much to go. I'm going to drink the whole thing cause it's so delicious. And then just needing a glass of water.
02:11:50
Speaker
Oh yeah. A hundred percent. That's exactly what I said. It's like, it's like punching a cone, stout, punching a cone, stout, dry now. Yeah. Yeah. Punching the cone, stout and you're making a really dry Irish stout. Yeah. Imagine putting the stout in as the bong water and then pulling that through there. Roasty. Yeah. Roaring fires, malt beer, red meat off the bone. Gonna have to find myself a misty, juicy bottle and a piece of hose pipe.
02:12:22
Speaker
This, my friends, is the home of my cousin, Marlin, and they call it a mine. A mine. This is the part of the evening where we're all trashbacked. I will quote Gimli at the drop of a hat. You just look at me the right way and I'll give the Gimli quote.
02:12:39
Speaker
I am drinking the Nitromoose moose from Tallboy and Moose. It has probably the horniest moose I've ever seen in my time on there. It is a nitromilk stout that did explode because I over shook it. It does say shake lightly and I shook it normally like I do. I guess they put an extra bit of nitrogen for me, so lucky me.
02:13:08
Speaker
It is, it's chocolate mousse. It's silky smooth chocolate mousse in a glass. Not an overly roasty stout base. I get heaps of sweetness from that. I would put some lactose in there.
02:13:22
Speaker
I'm so disappointed we're not meeting in person for this episode because I'd love to pitch yours next to mine and just taste test between the two for the both of us. Pete, do you want to line yours up next to Pete? The old pissing contest, eh? No, I'm just saying that the way that Tom described it sounds like he's describing my beer, so I'd be interested to see how they are different.
02:13:47
Speaker
I'd love to juxtapose those two together because there's no marshmallow in this. Well, there's no real vanilla character in this, like I guess you'd be having. It's just chocolate milk.
02:14:02
Speaker
Well, yeah, this is like, this is like, I guess roasted chocolate milk. It's still got that roasty character coming through. But it's definitely got a nice dose of nitro in it. That's like in the test tube, the sopping wet rag I've got next to me on the bench. But it's definitely carrying that silky character all the way through.
02:14:25
Speaker
But yeah, it's got that light airy moose character for the moose. We've just had three completely different stouts. Yeah. It's cool, isn't it? All together, yeah. And it would be interesting. Look at us not planning, but not planning how to do these things properly, like professionals.
02:14:48
Speaker
Um, the jawbone stout, sorry, was by whom? Hop Nation. Hop Nation. Cool. That's got some cool can out too. There's the same can out seal with the like the fish skeleton on it. Yeah, the fish skeleton on it. Yeah. Once again, it's not, it's not the traditional Hop Nation can out.
02:15:07
Speaker
No, they've moved away. They've started doing some much more colourful can art. Yeah, I know. I know you know how much you love that original white and green. It's black fire. That sort of shit is beautiful in its simplicity. Yeah. And I mean, this once again, it is a beautiful artwork. I should not rag on it from that. It is an amazing label.
02:15:27
Speaker
It's well laid out, it's well thought out, even the way that the artwork draws your eye across from scattered bits on a blank piece of label all the way through to the main artwork to the name of the beer, which is like a bang, a big title coming up at the start of a movie.
02:15:47
Speaker
through to the information on there. Yeah, but looking it up compared to having the can in your hand, like I just looked up the label of yours, dude. It's different of the way it draws your eye, but it is a beautiful thing, but oh man, that's going to disappoint me if they move away from that black and green. That black and green just gets me, man. And they've even toned down the green too, which I'm not a fan of. I like this colour. Yeah, they've gone from like the fish skeleton to like the fish guts.
02:16:15
Speaker
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you look at the original, it was literally like, it was that green splash and then just like a skeleton on top. Oh, okay. No, this is a, this is a pink and purple fish, uh, with, uh, with the middle coming out of it or growing seaweed out of the middle. And even the green, it's not a, it's not that big vibrant hop nation green. They seem to have moved away from that vibrant green. It's a nice green.
02:16:42
Speaker
But it's not that hot, it's not that vibrant. Just to get us back on topic, I think we're going to skip your last entry for trailers and we can come back to it. Because we're in trailer trash, but I ain't seen no trailers for any of this shit. I think we want to end with a bit of fun.
02:17:02
Speaker
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. I would love to end on this little thought I had the other day. So I just started playing Rise of the Tomb Raider, the second of the Square Enix Tomb Raider games. I was getting so fed up with getting my ass kicked in Dragon Age. So I was like, fuck this. I'm going to play another game that I've been lining up. Which Dragon Age are you playing? You were getting the Dragon Age. In position. But I'm doing the Knight Boy difficulty run through, and it is killing me.
02:17:28
Speaker
Is it a good game? Do you guys rate the game? I've never played it, but I love the series. I love the series. I just, I, I haven't played this one on the hardest level and it's, it's, it's purely for a platinum and it's, it's fucking me up. Like I just, the first one I'm rushing into it on PC these days, I think. Um, but the first one is a, an amazing game. Yeah. And then two, two deviated from the series massively. And then the third one, which is inquisition is the one I'm replaying. Um, it's, it's six years old. It's, it's yeah, five, six years old.
02:17:59
Speaker
But it's more in line with the first style. It's good. I picked up Tomb Raider as a PS Plus game. So I was like, fuck it. It's time to play it. I played the first one. I got two and three as PS Plus games. So I was like, sweet. I'm going to play it. And I got halfway through the prologue and then the first mission, which is essentially the first tomb you discover. And Lara Croft. So Lara Croft is an archaeologist.
02:18:27
Speaker
Um, and you'd think as an archeologist, your job would be to, um, bring the past into the modern day. You discover things, you would very carefully unearth them from the, the eons of dust that has created them into, you know, fossils. Um, like Jurassic park at the start with the fucking paint brushes. Yeah. Yeah. That is what I think of. When you think of archeologists, you think the same thing.
02:18:54
Speaker
What does Lara Croft do? She throws some fucking dynamite and some gunshots into, you know, whatever and basically blows up this ancient tomb. She's a really shitty archaeologist. So it made me think which video game characters do we love who are actually really bad at their day job. So Lara Croft's day job is an archaeologist, but she's really bad at it because by the end of this first level, I have basically a Tomb Raider. No, she's a Tomb Raider girl. She's a fucking Tomb Raider.
02:19:24
Speaker
No, she claims she's an archaeologist, but she shoots a whole bunch of shit down for like a bit of hanging. She breaks through a bunch of walls unceremoniously. At one point, I think I kicked a skeleton, like just walking past. I definitely kicked it. And then I end up flooding this entire tomb and the releasing the waters, which go over a cliff.
02:19:52
Speaker
how many relics would have been lost to the aether to reveal the relic that you you are looking for no just i was running away from some bad russian dudes like okay classic yeah
02:20:04
Speaker
So, it made me think, what video game characters can we think of that have day jobs but they're really shitty at? So, for my first one, it was Lara Croft as an archaeologist is really bad at it because she blows up the term she's meant to be preserving. Okay, so can we just focus in on that a little bit for a minute? I won't carry on for this too long because you guys know my history in this.
02:20:23
Speaker
But the one thing that Pete just mentioned there as well, so Tom, I know exactly the scene that you're talking about in that game, and I completely agree on that. And then Pete's talking about also certain sections in those games where she'll go into a tomb where, and goddamn, this is fucking pop culture video games, and I can't believe we're breaking it down this much.
02:20:47
Speaker
But she'll go in there for a specific thing and in these current games it's to read some sort of book or to gain some sort of knowledge to give her an extra skill.
02:21:00
Speaker
But the amount of knowledge and little things that she destroys on the way in this single tomb area to get to this singular goal, some of this stuff is so culturally significant to the wider knowledge of understanding of people of an era and people of an area as well as an era of that area's history.
02:21:26
Speaker
is so infuriating and just watching these things that just get once again washed away or blown away or crushed or crumbled. And you go, you know that, that little shiny thing up there on the petals, not the thing that I'm actually interested in looking at. I want to have a look at this, this warrior skeleton that's down here that's in full armor, but he's just got his skeleton behind him and weapons and things like that. And it's like,
02:21:50
Speaker
That's the thing that will grow the understanding of the culture, not your little fucking thing that you want to get up there. It reminds me of Raiders of the Lost Ark where it's like, Indy really should have been focusing on the traps that they set up and how they set up those mechanical traps. But instead, he's looking at the gold idol on the pedestal going,
02:22:10
Speaker
I think I can replace this with a sandbag. I think that, yeah, that's about the same way. But really, he should have just, he should have just been looking at how the technology that grew to spike a dude through the fucking face.
02:22:29
Speaker
Yeah, anyway, yes. Yes, I completely agree. He does meet a thousand year old dude or two thousand year old dude in Raiders of the Lost Ark. Not Raiders of the Lost Ark, sorry. Yeah, it doesn't blink an eye. Last Crusade. Last Crusade. Sorry, I didn't discover alien in that movie that we shall not talk about. No, that's not an indie movie. Don't ever mention that again or I shall uppercut you in the kidney. So finding my kidney through the rectum sold that years ago.
02:22:57
Speaker
How do you think I afford all these craft beers? PlayStation 5, yeah. What did you have, Dan? You said that you thought it was a great idea, this whole comic book. Of course it's a great idea. It's my idea. Video game protagonists who are shithouse at their day job.
02:23:11
Speaker
Yeah, it's really funny because one of the first ones that came to me too was Mario and how shitty your plumber is. I'm glad that we all had that idea. Well, continue. Well, he jumps into the pipe and then he leaves a bunch of corpses in the pipe when he flattens them, which is obviously going to pile up and cause a blockage in the pipe, which means you need to call- Really? That's where you went with that? I just- You need to call the plumber.
02:23:38
Speaker
But then the plumber's already been in the pipes, put all these dead bodies in, so he's just really rotting you. The fucker runs around a cartoon universe saving peaches from mortal danger when he's not doing that. He's driving a fucking go-kart against all of his mortal enemies. Also, he's very much an unlicensed doctor. He's very much an unlicensed doctor. At no point did he go to university and get that doctorate. Dr. Mario, he's just throwing pills willy-nilly.
02:24:09
Speaker
It's fucking chaos. And then his brother wants to Twilight as a fucking... as a... Ghostbuster. Ghostbuster with a vacuum cleaner. Yeah, exactly with a vacuum cleaner on his back. And he's too fucking scared to even... This is what he wants to do, but he's too fucking shit scared in the corner to go and actually hunt the ghosts.
02:24:28
Speaker
Yeah. Terrible. Terrible. But I think my biggest thing is that he does squash a bunch of goombas in those pipes and they don't get cleaned up and they would rot and they would poison every water source that he ever comes in contact with. So he's actually a menace to society. Mario should be arrested.
02:24:47
Speaker
He should be. It's interesting. The EPA should come down and be like, we want to investigate this man. And Meyers should be like, yes, this man has no dick. Until dickless here shut down the power.
02:25:02
Speaker
Just Luigi there going, yeah, Dickless here told us to shut down the power.
Max Payne Series Analysis
02:25:05
Speaker
That's very exciting. This man has no dick. Is that true? Yes, sir. This man has no dick. That's the greatest crossover I think I've ever come up with in my brain. Wow.
02:25:20
Speaker
Dan, what did you have? What was your character? Then my next one, because it's very relevant to what I'm playing at the moment, is Max Payne. Max Payne starts his life in Max Payne 1 and 2 as a New York police officer, which he is either one very good at or two very bad at, in which way you want to look at it.
02:25:46
Speaker
is either very good in the fact that he is a uncorruptible cop.
02:25:52
Speaker
in a very corruptible city, or fictional, fictional New York, fictional New York City, a corruptible cop. But he is a very bad cop in the fact that he just shoots everybody. Everybody. Everybody. Literally. Sounds like a real New York cop. Yeah. He just, he just like, there's just, and I understand most of them are coming after him, but there is
02:26:18
Speaker
There's a few NPCs. Actually, there's no NPCs you can willingly talk to in the game. It all happens in cutscenes. Yes, he did lose his family to mob bosses and their goons, so he is very untrusting. And then you roll through to Max Payne 3, where he becomes a private security guard for a rich family in Sao Paulo in Brazil.
02:26:45
Speaker
And he is shockingly bad at that. The very first mission, you're on a rooftop party for a rich family overlooking the favelas with the slums, basically. The goons, this is on a penthouse, no doubt, in a skyrise. The goons make it all the way to the penthouse. They capture the wife of the
02:27:13
Speaker
the guy that has hired you as the bodyguard for the family. You save her, the very next mission you lose her because she is kidnapped by the same people, then they progressively all get basically the whole family through the timeline of the game get executed and he is meant to be the bodyguard for all of these people so he's a terrible cop in New York and he's a terrible bodyguard in San Paolo but
02:27:43
Speaker
All of the Max Payne games are fucking amazing games. I've never played any of them. Max Payne 3, isn't Max Payne 3, isn't he like... I've only ever seen like images or like little gameplay things. I remember when it came out because I was working at EB at the time.
02:28:01
Speaker
But he was like, he was done. He was burnt out. He definitely done with the cop life. He was probably a little bit borderline alcoholic. Oh, no, not borderline. No, no, no. He is absolutely pain, pill popping alcoholic. Like you see the cut scenes in his apartment and there's literally empty boxes, cases of scotch bottles.
02:28:24
Speaker
So, it goes to show that he would be a terrible bodyguard because he's fucking high all the time. And that's the thing that it actually goes into when you do these scenes. It actually plays it out like, oh fuck, I was here drinking and three quarters cut when these guys walked through the door. Like, it does play it out. It does justify how bad he is at this bodyguarding.
02:28:48
Speaker
He's once the shit goes south. Oh man, you want Max Payne on your side? Oh yeah, by the way, he will absolutely destroy everyone. Because he's bad ass. Pete, you need to do yourself a favour and buy Max Payne 3 on Steam because it is undoubtedly one of the most satisfying third person shooters ever made.
02:29:13
Speaker
you will take people out and you will wanna walk up to them and put an extra bullet in them just to make sure they're dead and then just walk onto the next scene and it is the sound design and the actual gameplay elements of this game is absolutely amazing. The voice overs, Max never stops talking. You never stop hearing his internal dialogue.
02:29:33
Speaker
and he is absolutely self-hating because he knows that he has an absolute complete failure in life and has failed at everything. That's why he was absolutely perfect for this list, because he has failed at everything he's tried to be. He's failed as a cop,
02:29:51
Speaker
He's failed as a husband because she gets killed by the mob. He has failed as a father because his daughter gets killed by the mob. And in the game, in third game, he failed as a bodyguard because three quarters of the family that he is hired to protect get taken out. Executed. One goes out, um, a team style where they stack him up in, uh, tires and pour petrol in the tires and like the petrol line.
02:30:17
Speaker
And that's literally how he goes out. So it's a dark, dark game. It's a, it's a game about depression. We're just going to have a little bit of fun, but fuck, shit got real. Hello, we're still having fun. No, this is fun. I mean, Thursday is are you okay day? So.
02:30:33
Speaker
Well, I mean, you're talking about people that are bad at their jobs within video games, and Max Payne is one of the worst at every single one of the jobs. I might have to pick up a game. Every single one of the jobs he's been hired at.
02:30:50
Speaker
I did. It'll be the first and only game I ever play on this PC because I'm looking at upgrading and I spent a stupid amount of money on it, mainly for video editing. And I'm about to have to upgrade it again because it's like five years old already. I guarantee if you buy Max Payne 3, you will play it start to finish.
02:31:09
Speaker
from in one sitting. It's probably a 10 or 12 hour game. It's a good chunk. It's linear, so you can't get lost. You can't get lost in doing extra bits and pieces. You'll get lost in finding all the golden gun parts, but they're not that hard to find.
02:31:26
Speaker
It's an absolute driver. The storyline, the dialogue, everything that goes with this character and you don't have to play the first two games. It explains it all for you. It's an absolute beautiful, absolute masterpiece by Rockstar. Yeah, okay.
02:31:43
Speaker
So my protagonist, who's a, who's absolutely shit house
Video Game Protagonist Failures
02:31:47
Speaker
at his day job is Eivor from Assassin's Creed Valhalla. And obviously it's a, it's, it's one, it's a game I'm playing at the moment. So it's nice in front of mind, but he's supposed to be the Yarl of the Raven clan in about three quarters of the game in the main storyline spoilers. I mean, the game's been out for ages now. Yeah. I'm not up to that bit.
02:32:12
Speaker
So, Sigurd, Sigurd. So, that's why he said spoilers for this part of the game, if you ever listened. Sigurd, yep, so he's the Yarl. He's terrible at being a Yarl too, because he spends the two-thirds of the game that he's in the game kidnapped and held hostage somewhere. But at some point, Ivor takes over as the Yarl and
02:32:35
Speaker
He's never fucking there running the clan. I mean, occasionally you might raid with your clan. It might be eight to 10 people in your clan, raiding a monastery where you're not allowed to kill any of the Christians. But apart from that, the Yarl of the clan isn't leading the clan. He's not back at the clan. In fact, he's in another continent. He's now in fucking Ireland, running around by himself, doing missions for English kings.
02:33:03
Speaker
He's the worst fucking clan master I have ever seen. He's the ultimate procrastinator.
02:33:10
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But he's not procrastinating. He's just doing his own thing. He's like, yeah, I'm the boss. And I don't give a fuck about those guys. Like they can do whatever they're doing. Yeah. Change it to Assassin's Creed. Jerker of duties. And then you'll have the appropriate title. Apparently just, just every, every couple of months I'll pop back and I'll upgrade that dude's house. So that fucker will leave me alone for a while and I'll upgrade that dude's house next month. And that fucker will leave me. Oh look, I'll get a new tattoo while I'm here. But apart from that guys, I'm out. I'll catch you guys later. I got shit to do.
02:33:40
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He's the worst fucking king. Y'all. Now that you've pointed that out, I definitely agree with you on that. He's, uh, yeah, not around. He, uh, he delegates those, some of those duties out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Delegate some of the duties out and then they all sort of, he'd be one of those ones that when he turns to cuffs with, with his two, I see. And then he executes him as a result. So definitely not to that point. He said terrible. Y'all.
02:34:10
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I did have a couple of others that I thought of over the last couple of hours. Honorable mentions. Honorable mentions. Kratos is a horrible actual god of war, because he kills the rest of the Pantheon. It's not necessarily like... Nothing in that job description said, please kill the rest of us. It was, please help the humans create war. No, he conducted war against his own people, essentially.
02:34:35
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Yeah, he basically took the role and took it to the next level which he never should have done. So yeah, the original trilogy Kratos, I was given honorable mention for being a horrible God of War because he was never actually on his throne to listen to his people's pleas. I remember in God of War 2 and they were like, God of War, please help us. He was like, okay, I'll come down, but I'm more focused on fucking up Zeus because fuck that guy.
02:34:57
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on a similar vein, um, war from Darksiders, he gets tricked to the fuck. Like he, he never should have been on earth in that time. He started the apocalypse without.
02:35:09
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breaking the seventh seal. They all had the wool pulled over their eyes, having finished all of the Darksiders games now. They've all been screwed over. That was another one I had in the back of the mind. Someone who should have probably had a bit more foresight for what they should have been doing.
02:35:28
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And you guys may not agree with this one, but I'm gonna throw it out there. The most recent Spider-Man game. He's a horrible journalist. Spider-Man's meant to be a photographer. Didn't he at least put the camera in the web and then take a photo of himself for Spider-Man? That's a bit of a... Beat up Parker, get in here! Parker, get in here! I want photos of Spider-Man!
02:35:56
Speaker
Don't give me nudes, give me photos of Spider-Man. No, no, so he doesn't actually really work for the Daily Prophet in that game, but come on. Spider-Man's always worked for the Daily Prophet and taking photos of Spider-Man, and they left that bit out. It kind of annoyed me a little bit. It's like, I wanted to set up little camera traps, like, cause you did in the other Spider-Man games, but you know.
02:36:16
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I remember he was in Ultimate Spider-Man, yeah, in Ultimate Spider-Man, which was like the cel-shaded one back on the GameCube and PS2. That was a good one. He used to like, whip little cameras into corners and then take shots of his like, fighting and then send them off to the Daily Prophet.
02:36:32
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if you want to go on that line as well. He's also an absolute shitty lab assistant as well, because he can't help Doc Ock get his... He allows Doc Ock to go crazy with fucking technical apps.
02:36:50
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Yeah, exactly. He's not there enough of the time to help Dokko properly with his fucking experiments, so the dude goes fucking nutballs with AI in his fucking head. I don't know. He's fucking shit out, most of the shit he does, as well as being Spider-Man. The last one I had was Kyle Katarn, who is my favorite Jedi, by the way. Kyle Katarn is one of my favorite Jedi's.
02:37:10
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But he left the Jedi Order to become a smuggler of sorts. At no point does he do any smuggling. He does not live up to that. Like, there is no smuggling in any of those games. And I felt ripped off. On that side of it, Dash Rendar is a smuggler too, and you don't do any smuggling in that game either. You do a lot of shit for the Rebel Alliance and a lot of killing and shooting and everything like that. So yes, the smugglers in the Star Wars universe are
02:37:38
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pretty crappy. I think most of the protagonists in our video games are pretty crap at their job because it's kind of like, let's establish a backstory. I think that's, that's, I think a good 50%. Let's say a good 50% because a lot of the marks pulled from fate, pulled from fate. But I think John Marston was, he was a decent rancher before he got bored. He was a decent rancher. Yeah. I mean, he did all those, he doesn't do a whole lot of ranching while he's running around fucking
02:38:06
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I remember herding a lot of fucking cows. More cows than I wanted to herd within that fucking game, man. You want to call him a crappy rancher? Don't have me. We're talking one. All he does is wipe out the last of the bisons. That was a trophy. No, he fucking stole the part two. We can go to in the next episode. We can do a part two, which video game tactors that are very good at their day job.
02:38:32
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The first one that comes to mind for me is BJ Blazkowicz as a Nazi killer because he's very good at that. Yeah, I think on that note we might end the episode at like an all-time record high, I might add. No, this says nothing on that endgame episode we did. That went for like three and a half hours.
02:38:50
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We talked till the cows come home about that, but that was a truly magical moment. Well, in the, yeah, so in John Marston's vein, we might, I think we're done talking until the cows come home. We'll walk out the barn doors into the massive, no, walk out the barn doors into the onslaught of Pinkerton fuckheads.
02:39:13
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Sail our ship out onto the seven se... No, I'm sorry, I'm thinking about Assassin's Creed. Sing some sea shanties and just go off into the sunset. Thank you very much for listening. It's been an absolute pleasure, everybody. Bye. Goodbye. I'm going to hang up now.