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Wrong can lead to wronger
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Transcript
00:00:00
echo_blades
That would mess me up.
Introductions and Personal Updates
00:00:18
echo_blades
yeah
00:00:18
Denis Tyrell
ah get
00:00:20
echo_blades
a hey oh hey this is dennis terrell from terrell knife works and you're listening to the triple t podcast as always i got my buddy jared from echo blades all right i just wanted to give my little grunty friend a shout out there what's up everybody this is jared from echo blades and you are listening to the triple t podcast for knife makers i got mr grunty himself in the house dennis terrell how the hell are you buddy
00:00:34
Denis Tyrell
Okay.
00:00:48
Denis Tyrell
All right. Touche. I'll take that one.
00:00:50
echo_blades
That was good, right?
00:00:52
Denis Tyrell
Were we talking to about that off the air last week?
00:00:54
echo_blades
I think so.
00:00:55
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
00:00:56
echo_blades
Or maybe no, I think I got a little bit of it in. No, somebody sent me a message that they were, yeah. There was ah ah so an extremely long pause after your grunt and they they recognized it and they were like, is it just me then?
00:01:06
Denis Tyrell
but
00:01:10
echo_blades
So anyways.
00:01:11
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, try to edit those out, but it doesn't always work.
00:01:14
echo_blades
Yeah. Anyways, how are you, man?
00:01:18
Denis Tyrell
I'm good. I'm good.
00:01:20
echo_blades
That's good to hear. That's really good to hear.
Disney Trip Plans and Costs
00:01:22
Denis Tyrell
I am getting ready to do this Disney trip on Saturday.
00:01:27
echo_blades
I couldn't I could not fucking remember what you had going on. I know you're about to leave.
00:01:33
Denis Tyrell
yeah we're going to Disney for three, four days.
00:01:33
echo_blades
and I couldn't. Yeah. And I could not figure it out. Oh, that's good.
00:01:38
Denis Tyrell
Yeah. Kim's son Cameron is here from Virginia.
00:01:44
echo_blades
Okay.
00:01:44
Denis Tyrell
He's one in the Navy.
00:01:46
echo_blades
That's right.
00:01:46
Denis Tyrell
So, yeah, he's already here. So we've been hanging out. um I think I'm going to get him in the forge probably, i don't know, Thursday, Friday, something like that.
00:01:59
echo_blades
Good, I'll come over and ruin it.
00:02:02
Denis Tyrell
We were debating what we were going to make, and he sent, so he's the one that sent me the cable for the um for the U.S. Navy officer sword build.
00:02:14
echo_blades
I remember that.
00:02:15
Denis Tyrell
Yes. So um he also sent me another piece of cable, which I've kept because I was going to make something for him, and I'm just lazy and haven't got around to it.
00:02:25
echo_blades
Jared?
00:02:25
Denis Tyrell
but um he wants to make an axe. So I said, why don't we twist that cable, use it for cladding, and make an axe out of that.
00:02:39
Denis Tyrell
So I think that's what we're going to do. I'm not quite sure what the construction is going to look like yet, but I think we're going to figure it out.
00:02:46
echo_blades
OK. Cool.
00:02:48
Denis Tyrell
So depends how much cable. we't We don't have that much cable, so it depends. what we can forge out of it. So we'll make it work. We'll, we'll figure it out.
00:02:58
echo_blades
Just hit myself in the face with the mic.
00:03:02
echo_blades
It's shaking at me now.
00:03:04
Denis Tyrell
There's definitely a joke there. Oh,
00:03:06
echo_blades
Oh, yeah. by r r r Hey, Denton. Denton.
00:03:12
Denis Tyrell
but around
00:03:12
echo_blades
Yeah. Why are you holding it with two hands, you weirdo? No.
00:03:19
echo_blades
Anyways. ah
00:03:20
Denis Tyrell
oh
00:03:22
echo_blades
Yeah. What's this?
00:03:25
Denis Tyrell
So yeah, we're, we're heading to Disney on Saturday and then the whole, the first time in years since our wedding, we're going to have all the kids together, her kids, my kids, all of them, everybody, everyone's going to Disney.
00:03:25
echo_blades
That's little...
00:03:37
echo_blades
Oh, all of them. Oh, that's cool. Nice.
00:03:44
Denis Tyrell
Oh, speaking of Disney, you know, I, it does, I got something that did just fucking annoying the shit out of me. Um,
00:03:49
echo_blades
It's expensive.
00:03:51
Denis Tyrell
you This is exactly part of it.
00:03:53
echo_blades
Okay.
00:03:53
Denis Tyrell
So on May the 4th, and this actually happens for a few weeks around May the 4th, they, on certain days, they kick everybody out of the park at 9, 8 or 9, might be 8, I don't remember.
00:03:56
echo_blades
Be with you.
00:04:08
echo_blades
At night? Yeah.
00:04:10
Denis Tyrell
And they have like Star Wars nights.
00:04:14
echo_blades
Like a private event?
00:04:15
Denis Tyrell
Well, yeah.
00:04:17
Denis Tyrell
You bet you have to pay extra to get in.
00:04:17
echo_blades
Yeah, they do that.
00:04:19
echo_blades
Yeah.
00:04:20
Denis Tyrell
And I've looked it up online. Like, what do you actually get for this? What are the pros? And it's a pretty damn short list. And the tickets are 179
00:04:31
echo_blades
Yeah, but there's less people in like my my daughter and I, when we went in October, we were trying to get into the Ooga Booga bash or some shit like that. It was the same thing. And we and it was sold out for like months and months ahead. So we didn didn't we didn't have a chance at doing it.
00:04:46
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, but I wonder they're selling tickets. like it it is it really It didn't look from pictures I saw online. It did not look like, you know, there was fewer people in the park or any bullshit like that.
00:04:46
echo_blades
But yeah.
00:05:00
echo_blades
I mean, there's selective few that spent that dollars. I mean i wouldn't I wasn't going to do it. I thought I had a hookup to to get it into it, but it didn't work out.
00:05:08
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, the there's like over 10 of us going.
00:05:08
echo_blades
But yeah, no. yeah it's
00:05:10
Denis Tyrell
I'm not spending $2,000 for one night.
00:05:13
echo_blades
I was going to say, man, there they are endlessly creative with the way they get our money.
00:05:18
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
00:05:20
echo_blades
Hats off, but fuck off, too.
00:05:21
Denis Tyrell
yeah
00:05:22
echo_blades
Yeah.
00:05:24
Denis Tyrell
Yeah. that walnet And we talked about this before, but I'm surprised. I know it's coming. They haven't done the surge pricing yet. Because Universal does surge pricing now.
00:05:33
echo_blades
Yeah.
00:05:35
Denis Tyrell
On days that are more popular, they'll charge more.
00:05:38
echo_blades
Yeah.
00:05:39
Denis Tyrell
Disney, I can't believe, hasn't been started that already.
00:05:41
echo_blades
How many days are you going to be there?
00:05:43
Denis Tyrell
Three.
00:05:44
echo_blades
You're doing three day passes for everybody.
00:05:46
Denis Tyrell
Yes.
00:05:47
echo_blades
And that's cheaper per day.
00:05:50
Denis Tyrell
Hmm. Hey, I don't know. I didn't think so.
00:05:52
echo_blades
Yeah, it was. Yeah, it. It was like.
00:05:55
Denis Tyrell
It didn't feel cheaper.
00:05:57
echo_blades
No, if I know well meant that my daughter and I went for two days. And it was almost worth it to buy the three-day pass. It wouldn't have, the Delta wouldn't have been that much different, but it,
00:06:10
Denis Tyrell
Oh. I paid for them today with the lightning, because now lightning pass, you got to add on that.
00:06:16
echo_blades
oh yeah.
00:06:17
Denis Tyrell
um With the lightning pass, two tickets for $1,200 for three-day passes.
00:06:24
echo_blades
Yeah. But I think the two day single park was like almost four or 500 bucks a piece.
00:06:30
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
00:06:31
echo_blades
So it's not, yeah it's, it's a trip, but anyways, this Disney problems.
00:06:31
Denis Tyrell
It's just... It's robbery.
00:06:35
echo_blades
Yeah, it is. People pay it though. That's the problem.
00:06:41
Denis Tyrell
Yeah. it's it's It's crazy. It's crazy.
00:06:44
echo_blades
And
Dennis's Sobriety Anniversary Reflections
00:06:45
echo_blades
if it's not your thing, then don't worry about it. You'll never have to deal with it. Cause I know there's a lot of fucking people like going, won't catch me there.
00:06:55
Denis Tyrell
What's been with you?
00:06:56
echo_blades
Well, you know what? I just got back from, I literally just got home about 10 minutes before we signed on. um I had the wonderful opportunity to go share a meeting at a 12 step meeting.
00:07:10
echo_blades
um And then I just got this crazy reminder that, um you know, higher power willing, ah Friday, if I don't get loaded or drunk in between now and Friday, ah potentially will wake up with 18 years clean.
00:07:28
Denis Tyrell
Wow, congratulations.
00:07:29
Denis Tyrell
That's awesome.
00:07:29
echo_blades
Thanks, man.
00:07:30
echo_blades
I don't want to say that to for the congratulations, but I say that to have this awareness for myself that I have been feeling a ah little extra squirrely.
00:07:46
echo_blades
It's been like... The past two, three weeks have been, there's got a lot going on on top of all that stuff. But there is a like weird phenomenon about like when you creep up on a on an anniversary ah for being clean, like you you tend to get a little squirrely.
00:08:03
echo_blades
um And I've been so wrapped up in my own shit, I didn't even realize that it was quite here as fast as it is. So, um, you know, it was a, a weird drive there after work. Um, and, uh, kind of reconciled some things. I mean, that, that process was happening last week, but, um, yeah, yeah.
00:08:25
echo_blades
Makes a little more sense to me. um I think we, people like me, it's very common that that happens. So I was glad to kind of put a little ah reason and rationale behind all the the weirdness that's been going on. But, you
00:08:43
Denis Tyrell
Yeah. You think it's that cyclical that you feel it every year?
00:08:48
echo_blades
know, 100%.
00:08:49
Denis Tyrell
Really? Yeah.
00:08:50
echo_blades
A hundred percent. Yeah. It just, things get weird. A lot of times it's the recognition of the upcoming date. And then you start to feel like, cause for me anyways, you know, take you to take you to a meeting right now. yeah For me, it's really about, um, in the past, I would say that it's more about knowing that this date is coming up and then you, if you're lucky, you get to, um,
00:09:17
echo_blades
recall what it was like prior. Right. And then but with with that comes a lot of shame, a lot of guilt, a lot of remorse, a lot of, you know, just, you know, the the process ah of getting clean is is super difficult. And I mean, here now, it's obviously been well worth it. But, you know, there's, there's a lot of remorse for for things and decisions that you've made feeling, you know, regret from lost time. And, you know, have I got my shit together sooner or, you know, never did it or, you know, whatever.
00:09:46
echo_blades
So there's a lot of that, um, that goes along with that. Um, but also just kind of feeling a little, little froggy and kind of off kiltered, but, um, yeah, I don't know if there's a clinical explanation for it or if it's a phenomenon, but, uh, it's definitely been real for me and,
00:10:02
echo_blades
Um, I think ultimately though, it ends in a humongous heap of gratitude for being here right now, being able just to, to say, you know, that I have the potential to have put together, don't know. It was like, I'll tell you right now. Cause the days I'm not good at math. So I have an app, but the, uh,
00:10:25
echo_blades
Yeah, 6,571 days right now today. And I was just like, that's a lot of fucking days.
00:10:33
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, it is.
00:10:33
echo_blades
That's a lot of days of like this being the best I'm going to feel all day long. That's one of my favorite lines. I have a buddy. deliver Every time I'll go up to I'll go on my clean date. There's about 10 calls that I make. Right.
00:10:46
echo_blades
I have some people that helped me the first couple times I didn't get clean. um There's people that have helped me very much throughout the journey, both in recovery, ah personally, professionally.
00:10:58
echo_blades
So I make a bunch of purposeful um thank yous and appreciation, acknowledgements of ah people that have helped me, whether they're aware of it or not. Like there's some people at work that...
00:11:09
echo_blades
they have zero idea. Like every year I tell them, you know, Hey, thank you. You know, you've taught me a lot. They're like, well, I haven't done anything. I just, you know, go to work. Um, but, uh, by example and you know, a lot of things like there's a handful of people there that like, I attribute to teaching me work ethic, like real work ethic. Like, you know, I always, you asked me 19 years ago that if I thought I was a bag of shit and didn't know how to work,
00:11:32
echo_blades
God had probably punched you, but you know, I realized today that I was a bag of shit and didn't really know how to work. Like it was all about like, what can I get and how to shortcuts and, you know, but showing up early, you know, doing just being reliable, showing up every day, like things that are seem to escape a lot of people, I would say um in the work world today.
00:11:50
Denis Tyrell
Okay.
00:11:52
echo_blades
It's, it's amazing to me, especially being in management now. It's like, Um, but I'll always go up to him and I say, you know, Hey, thank you. You know, Bobo. And goes, man, you know, every year. So it's been growing, but you know, he's like, that's a lot of, that's a long time to, to, you know, he goes, this this is the best you're going feel all day long.
00:12:12
echo_blades
And I just, I laugh, right. Because it's true. It's, you know, I don't, I don't get to go home and have a beer and, and get, you know, get tilted. I mean, like I could, but I choose not to.
00:12:23
Denis Tyrell
I don't know that morning coffee. That's usually the best I feel all day.
00:12:23
echo_blades
And
00:12:28
echo_blades
See, but, you know, it's whatever it is. But, you know, I find it i find it humorous and and and I appreciate that because, you know, there was a time when I didn't feel like this at all.
00:12:41
echo_blades
Like, I mean, that was a purposeful attempt to never not be altered in some way, I'll say.
00:12:49
Denis Tyrell
Well, I'll tell you, I'm glad you're here and I'm glad you're in this state and not
00:12:54
echo_blades
I appreciate it, man. I appreciate it.
00:12:56
Denis Tyrell
not all messed up in the head.
00:12:58
echo_blades
You're not getting it.
00:12:58
Denis Tyrell
Well, you're still messed up in the head, but in a different way.
00:13:00
echo_blades
I was going to say, yeah, yeah, but that's never going to go away. I just don't use Vindon anymore. So, but anyways, yeah, that was cool. it was good to, to, to go to a meeting. Cause that's been a ah not a part of my life here recently too, which is, which is tough, but you know, get to tell the truth, right?
00:13:19
echo_blades
So I go, go up and there was 40 fucking people in this meeting today.
00:13:23
Denis Tyrell
Is that a lot?
00:13:24
echo_blades
That's a lot. That's a big meeting. there's 40 people. And then you go up there and try to tell, tell the truth on yourself about all the dumb shit you did and where you're at right now. It's like, it's not common and it's not like instinctual for somebody to just go, you know, and say, Hey, I have a problem with, you know, accepting who I am or, you know, I never fit in or, you know, how all these traits that are very typical amongst people in recovery.
00:13:49
echo_blades
But yeah. And I was like, well, you know, I haven't been to meeting a long time, so you shouldn't be listening to me right now.
00:13:58
echo_blades
Don't do what I'm doing. Keep staying here. Your chances of staying clean go are exponentially higher if you don't step away from the program for a while. But you know it is. It's the truth. And like i said, it feels good. It was actually kind of was releasing to kind of get that kind of dirtiness that I was feeling about that particular situation off my chest. and you know But anyways, this is not a 12-step meeting, and i apologize for dragging you through that.
00:14:22
echo_blades
But it is something um yeah I'm extremely, extremely grateful for the opportunity.
00:14:23
Denis Tyrell
No, it's it's a big event. It's a big event.
00:14:28
echo_blades
It's not here yet, so we don't celebrate no fronts. But chances are Friday will be hopefully a really, really good day and full of emotion.
00:14:38
Denis Tyrell
Nice.
00:14:39
echo_blades
So. I'm happy to happy do that. But it was a long-ass day, and now we're here. And I got to look at you. So this is you know this is this is the gift of recovery here.
00:14:47
Denis Tyrell
See, your day can get better.
00:14:50
echo_blades
but you don't
00:14:51
Denis Tyrell
the See, you do feel better.
00:14:53
echo_blades
I do feel better. Yeah, this is great.
Knife-Making Challenges and Techniques
00:14:56
echo_blades
But ah yeah, and then on top of that, ands I'm just going hijack this whole podcast. Fuck off. The cool thing is that you know after...
00:15:04
echo_blades
I don't know if it's in on the heels of, you know, all this ah newfound awareness from today, but, um, you know, last week I do owe you a huge thank you and I'll and i'll get to that. Um, but I felt like a, like a knife maker this week, you know, I have purposely had some attempts to, to, to get some things done and, um, uh, partially not, um,
00:15:18
Denis Tyrell
Nice.
00:15:23
Denis Tyrell
it was Kim's comment, wasn't it?
00:15:29
Denis Tyrell
She's going to want credit just to let you know.
00:15:31
echo_blades
Yeah, she can. hey Yeah, that's there. I gave her a little extra er when I hugged her like you motherfucker.
00:15:39
echo_blades
I realized I haven't seen her in a while, too. So that was cool.
00:15:41
Denis Tyrell
yeah
00:15:42
echo_blades
But yeah, i mean, it was it was good. And, know, on I think on was it Wednesday? So our our buddy, Sean, the the knife guy had hit me up a couple of weeks back and.
00:15:57
echo_blades
I guess it was a month or two ago and was asking if he could use my laser to, etch something into a knife. and i was like, course, you anytime. And then, um,
00:16:09
echo_blades
I didn't anticipate on not having made anything in like a year, it feels like. Uh, so he hit me up about a week ago and was like, Hey, I'm getting close. You got some time. And I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. But secretly without saying anything, was like, don't want to, you know, like,
00:16:26
echo_blades
pull the laser out, figure it all out again. Like it was going to be a process and I knew it and I had just got it back from you.
00:16:30
Denis Tyrell
Mm-hmm.
00:16:33
echo_blades
And, you know, so I had this bright idea. i was like, why don't I just use Dennis? I was, uh, you know, got this really fancy one. It's really faster and this will be a lot easier. So anyways, I convinced him.
00:16:49
echo_blades
it was a funny thing though. Cause he, he's like, well i don't want to, you know, I don't like hassle Dennis. And I'm like In my mind, I was thinking, like just follow me, dude. like I got this. like you know ah Yeah, I know you don't, right?
00:17:01
Denis Tyrell
yeah I don't mind at all. I don't know why you...
00:17:04
echo_blades
But not everybody has you know our our thing. And you know i guess people aren't used to you know you being volunteered by some little Vieter Mexican dude. ah volunteering your time and stuff. And he's like, i don't want to hassle him. I'm like, I literally text him hassle.
00:17:20
echo_blades
The fucking guy's retired. He doesn't do anything. Like, we're he's like begging for somebody to come over and see him now. uh, no, appreciate it. I appreciate you, you helping us out and got to do, uh, yeah.
00:17:32
Denis Tyrell
No, it was fun. It was fun seeing Sean. I hadn't seen him in a while. And yeah, he told him not to be a stranger and come over more often.
00:17:37
echo_blades
Yeah.
00:17:40
echo_blades
Yeah. It was cool. Um, but we had originally, though i was I was kind of trying to tag it up with um working on that handle.
00:17:53
Denis Tyrell
Mm-hmm.
00:17:53
echo_blades
And for the for the thank you is that we went up there and did the thing and then Sean left and then we went back down in the shop. And, you know, if you guys don't understand, Dennis is not like Mr. Emotion.
00:18:09
echo_blades
And it's not his fault. This is not his speed, right? You know, he's just doing his thing.
00:18:13
Denis Tyrell
ah
00:18:13
echo_blades
Most people are like that.
00:18:13
Denis Tyrell
out
00:18:14
echo_blades
um um probably the complete i'm the complete opposite, right?
00:18:15
Denis Tyrell
I'm old school.
00:18:18
echo_blades
I'll talk about feelings every day. ah But I looked at him and I was just like, you know, and he's, he, he looked at me, he goes, bro, you, you look fucking like spit.
00:18:31
echo_blades
And I was like, Dennis, this is what I tried to express to you every day when, or when I'm telling you that I'm not feeling it. And you know, like I'm just whooped and I didn't have it.
00:18:42
echo_blades
And so we decided to just call it and go home. But I, the thank you is I appreciate you recognizing that and not busting my balls, like calling me a bitch or you know for yeah yeah you did you did yeah
00:18:54
Denis Tyrell
I waited till you leave till you, till you left. And then I called you. No, it's, I've learned it is no good working on knives when you are not in the right headspace because shit will go wrong and then it will go wrong.
00:19:05
echo_blades
yeah yeah wronger
00:19:13
Denis Tyrell
the more you push it, the more wrong it will go.
00:19:15
echo_blades
yeah
00:19:18
Denis Tyrell
um So, yeah, especially things that need concentration, like grinding, there's a time when you just need to put it away and walk away.
00:19:23
echo_blades
yep
00:19:27
echo_blades
Yeah. And that's kind of been the yeah episode, though. I've been up against just being... The only way i can explain it is like you're running at max mental capacity for 10 hours a day of you know just on. you know And then you get off and you're like, you just don't want to fucking do anything. So I went home and went to bed.
00:19:50
echo_blades
that's That's what I did that day.
00:19:51
Denis Tyrell
yeah
00:19:52
echo_blades
and Then we tried again the next day.
00:19:54
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
00:19:55
echo_blades
And then I figured out that I... This process is extremely frustrating.
00:20:01
Denis Tyrell
Lines are just not your thing. I don't get it.
00:20:03
echo_blades
I... Yeah. It's... the i I'm used to different lines, all right?
00:20:05
Denis Tyrell
No, to to
00:20:08
echo_blades
That's the thing.
00:20:08
Denis Tyrell
the to be fair, i I'm pretty sure what messed us up. So, okay, they let's give people some context. So Jared was working on this. ah It's your first hidden tang, right?
00:20:20
echo_blades
It is... Yep.
00:20:20
Denis Tyrell
Yeah. First hidden tang, and it's a chef knife. And So we were trying to square up the block on the surface plate. ah You know, you you prop up the knife on a one, two, three block, you draw rounded lines.
00:20:34
Denis Tyrell
But the issue we had, which messed us up, is your ricasso is not flat.
00:20:40
echo_blades
Yes.
00:20:41
Denis Tyrell
So I think we thought we had two parallel lines to square the block. I didn't actually look at those after we drew them. I just assumed, oh, yeah, these are because we're
00:20:51
echo_blades
Yeah.
00:20:54
Denis Tyrell
I'm, I didn't clue in that the ricasso wasn't flat. So we had to,
00:20:59
echo_blades
Yeah, because that's your process, right? You always have a flat ricasso and those lines will be parallel and and that'll work out.
00:21:03
Denis Tyrell
yeah, right. Cause I'm doing a Bowie knife. Like I don't, there's always a plunge, um, for that step or even in my chef knives, they're still pretty flat there.
00:21:08
echo_blades
Yeah.
00:21:14
Denis Tyrell
But yours weren't. So when so i make it funny, or I was at the time, but I don't think it was your fault because you were grinding to two lines that were in parallel, expecting a block to be square.
00:21:27
echo_blades
Square. Yeah. So but what I did was I went and watched a bunch of videos after that. And I'm asking for you know people that do a lot of this this type of these type of builds.
00:21:39
echo_blades
um But what I did find and after clued in on that, um a lot of guys take the block itself and find the center point on that and then start drawing lines on the, on the face of the block to square up from the center.
00:22:00
echo_blades
And regardless of, of how, how your block is dimensioned, right from the, when you find the center, then you can pull out, you know, calipers, draw some, you know, guidelines to get your block squared that way.
00:22:09
Denis Tyrell
eat but but But the problem is that the hole, it's very rare that the hole you put in the block is truly square to the block.
00:22:21
echo_blades
Yeah.
00:22:24
Denis Tyrell
Unless you do it on a mill, that's the problem.
00:22:27
echo_blades
Right.
00:22:28
Denis Tyrell
is it does That's why you can't go ah normally unless you bedded the tang and you made sure it was perfectly straight.
00:22:36
echo_blades
Yep.
00:22:36
Denis Tyrell
Because we didn't bed the tang.
00:22:37
echo_blades
Yep.
00:22:38
Denis Tyrell
So the hole we drilled is almost never square.
00:22:42
echo_blades
Square, right.
00:22:43
Denis Tyrell
So then it doesn't matter how square your block is. The knife isn't square to the block.
00:22:47
echo_blades
Yeah. Yeah.
00:22:48
Denis Tyrell
So that's why we did that operation to square the block to the knife after you have it seated in the hole.
00:22:55
echo_blades
but we didn't have a flat place to reference.
00:22:56
Denis Tyrell
But we we didn't have a flat place to reference. That usually works like foolproof.
00:22:59
echo_blades
and Right, right, yeah.
00:23:02
Denis Tyrell
um But if you don't have two parallel lines, you can't make a square.
00:23:06
echo_blades
but it's ah it's But to add to some comedy here is regardless of all that,
00:23:06
Denis Tyrell
Like...
00:23:12
echo_blades
After I'm looking at it I'm like, this don't look right. And he's like, motherfucker, it's going to be right. As you know, we squared it. to the yeah And then I started grinding and, and then I'm like, bro, there's something weird going on. And then he he's like looking down the, the, the handle and he's like, yeah, this isn't square. Like, what's the matter with you? Like, you can't, you can't grind a square.
00:23:30
echo_blades
And I'm like, bro, I'm trying here. And, and I did realize that there's some, some visual, I guess the grinding basic type things. Cause there was one time when you were like, no, you just got to like tilt it here and bring that, that, that angle part down. And I just wasn't seeing it flat out. Wasn't seeing it.
00:23:49
echo_blades
And, um, you know, I guess like most things, there's a lot of knife making, but it finds a way to humble you and, and bring you back to like, you're, you're not,
00:23:58
Denis Tyrell
More practice.
00:23:59
echo_blades
Yeah. But I mean, in on the same, same token here, and gonna sound like a complete asshole and douchebag, but you know, I see a lot of people doing this process and I feel like, well, you know, I can, they can do it. I can do it. Like, why is this so damn challenging to me? You know?
00:24:16
echo_blades
And, uh,
00:24:17
Denis Tyrell
Well, I think the... what If I had to analyze that, I'd say... the lines being not parallel, you started grinding it.
00:24:28
Denis Tyrell
It wasn't getting square. Then it's hitting your confidence. And then you're questioning everything.
00:24:33
echo_blades
Right.
00:24:34
Denis Tyrell
That's where I think you were at. You were at the point where, yeah.
00:24:35
echo_blades
And then you go, so yeah, then you just go, oh, what the fuck?
00:24:37
Denis Tyrell
Yeah. Then.
00:24:38
echo_blades
And now we're getting to a point where there's, we're running out of room to, to work with here.
00:24:42
Denis Tyrell
Right. Like to, to call back to my previous statement, wrong was getting wronger.
00:24:48
echo_blades
Exactly. No, yeah. Touche. Yeah.
00:24:51
Denis Tyrell
um But I think, yeah, it, what we What we should do is clamp some kind of like a but a knife got a file guide or something on that knife so that it was square.
00:25:08
Denis Tyrell
something So it was locked in and it was square. And then put the handle on and then like sit that on the 123 block.
00:25:11
echo_blades
Yeah.
00:25:14
Denis Tyrell
You know what i mean?
00:25:15
echo_blades
Yeah.
00:25:15
Denis Tyrell
So you have a reference. You need a flat reference.
00:25:17
echo_blades
Yeah. Right. Yeah. Well, if I don't completely botch it, we'll get to do it again.
00:25:24
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
00:25:25
echo_blades
And it won't be $80 piece of Koa.
00:25:32
Denis Tyrell
How did that turn out?
00:25:33
echo_blades
It's fine. It's fine.
00:25:34
Denis Tyrell
First, tell everybody what happened. And I'll give my commentary of what I would have done.
00:25:36
echo_blades
Yeah. Yeah.
00:25:39
Denis Tyrell
But go ahead.
00:25:40
echo_blades
So I've had a, uh, last week i was talking about, I'm not tripping off of whatever happens for blade show. Right. Um, but I have an order that someone's been waiting on for a while and I could not and rationalize me working on other things ahead of that.
00:26:01
echo_blades
So I put that one to the front and, you know, it's pretty damn close. I got, I think, one more grid of hand sanding to do. But as I was getting close to the hand sand, was like, haven't, I haven't haven't even done the handle yet. Right.
00:26:16
echo_blades
So, um, I was, uh, drilling the handle holes and i normally, I, it's heat treated drilling them in the handle.
00:26:24
Denis Tyrell
is he But it's heat treated, right? You you mean drilling them in the handle material.
00:26:29
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, okay.
00:26:29
echo_blades
Yeah.
00:26:30
echo_blades
In the actual handle material. Yeah. So, but normally my process is I'll, I'll, I'll locate my, my pinholes, And then i will use a larger drill bit to drill, you know, weight reduction holes somewhere in this build. I don't know why, but I had two identical, like to my pinhole size in very close proximity.
00:26:57
echo_blades
And as I was, um, just getting after, you know, drilling the holes and setting up and everything. I, I drilled the wrong hole. I drilled, I drilled one that was too far from the Tang.
00:27:11
echo_blades
Um, and then I was like, well, shit. And then i had this conundrum where I was like, like, well, what do I do? um Cause like I said, it was expensive piece of handle material. The customer had picked out.
00:27:25
echo_blades
Um, and so I called my buddy and I was thinking about, you know, um, making one of the, the back hole into a lanyard tube or putting two pins, um, you know, in close proximity to each other, which Dennis, this is the one bust your balls on.
00:27:44
Denis Tyrell
Bust away. I still think it's wrong, but go ahead.
00:27:46
echo_blades
I don't care. No, see wrong is not appropriate. Your liking is more like it, but Dennis is not a very outside the box thinker.
00:27:55
Denis Tyrell
No, your box is a round fucking hat box, okay?
00:27:59
echo_blades
It doesn't matter, man.
00:27:59
Denis Tyrell
but
00:28:01
Denis Tyrell
It would have looked goofy if you would have put two holes in the back, or two pins side by side and one at the front. And I said, if you're going to do that, do two in the front and two in the back.
00:28:01
echo_blades
There's there's.
00:28:13
Denis Tyrell
Don't do one in the front and two in the back.
00:28:15
echo_blades
yeah we made all those jokes, dude.
00:28:16
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, we made those jokes too.
00:28:17
echo_blades
Don't worry about it. Yeah, don't worry. Don't.
00:28:18
Denis Tyrell
um
00:28:20
Denis Tyrell
ah Because it would look goofy.
00:28:24
echo_blades
But again, I say goofy is is relative to you know someone's thing. like There could be a listener right now that thats that's what they've landed on as their claim to fame is two pins in the back and one in the front.
00:28:34
Denis Tyrell
Sure.
00:28:36
echo_blades
And that's where I'm saying like there's that that that's where I'm busting your balls. Because I remember there was a video you were doing but not too long ago and you're like, you know you don't do that because that's just stupid.
00:28:42
Denis Tyrell
yeah
00:28:47
echo_blades
and I'm like, bro, you can't say that in your YouTube videos.
00:28:50
Denis Tyrell
i can I'll say whatever the hell want.
00:28:50
echo_blades
Like, I'm like, that is so not, not, not cool. Cause that could be somebody's jam. And then that's, that's not necessarily the most inclusive thing.
00:28:59
Denis Tyrell
So it here's my point of view on it. Yes, I'll be a little short sometimes, but I will tell you what the... visually what people, most people would expect.
00:29:14
Denis Tyrell
And if you were to hand that knife with two pins, I'd say at least six out of 10, if not eight out of 10 people will look at it and go, that looks weird.
00:29:24
echo_blades
You fucked up. Well, you fucked up. Yeah.
00:29:26
Denis Tyrell
Right. And they're going to be like, you fucked up. And, and ah why, why do you want to do that?
00:29:33
echo_blades
Well, yeah, I, I, unfortunately for me is that I agreed with you on this particular situation. So the fix was easy. We just, we just extended the length of the handle that I originally anticipated in.
00:29:47
echo_blades
They're equally spaced. And, I, I,
00:29:49
Denis Tyrell
What do you mean you extended the length of the handle?
00:29:53
echo_blades
pulled the, I, where I had the handle front starting. I, I pulled that more towards the, the Ricasso and the spaces are equal.
00:29:57
Denis Tyrell
Mm-hmm.
00:30:03
echo_blades
Um, yeah, yeah.
00:30:03
Denis Tyrell
OK, so you did. You used the inside hole and then, yeah, yeah, OK. Yeah.
00:30:08
echo_blades
There was nothing i could do. It's, it's not in the, in the best position, but, um, where I would feel more comfortable with it being more towards the back of the, the, the handle, but it's going to be fine.
00:30:18
Denis Tyrell
But it it doesn't look I'm sure it doesn't look weird.
00:30:20
echo_blades
It's a match. Yeah, no, it's,
00:30:21
Denis Tyrell
it there's some It's more important that they're symmetrical than they're spaced x dot y inches from
00:30:26
echo_blades
Yeah. Right. And had it not been heat treated, I could have, I could have added more holes and did, you know, other things and ah easily, you know, um, so I didn't have any carbide drills.
00:30:33
Denis Tyrell
yeah
00:30:38
echo_blades
I would have to stop and go see you. And I didn't want to do that.
00:30:43
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, I even offered you up some new Koa, and you didn't want to do that, so...
00:30:47
echo_blades
I really, ah can't express the, like the, the process that we went through to get that block. Like, It was one of the more immersive customer experiences that I've, I've allowed, like, yeah I send him to somebody and, you know, like they looked at all like this, this, this, and I found this piece and I sent it to him and he's like, oh Oh, that's the one, that's the one.
00:30:54
Denis Tyrell
Oh.
00:30:58
Denis Tyrell
Oh, you were on the website together looking at blogs?
00:31:07
Denis Tyrell
Oh.
00:31:09
echo_blades
And so, and I, the, the dimensions on the block when I split it, there's just not enough to make another set. They would have been super thin.
00:31:19
echo_blades
So I was like, all right, I'm stuck right now.
00:31:20
Denis Tyrell
Hmm.
00:31:22
echo_blades
I actually had to use thicker liners than I normally do to get some extra thickness on it, but it worked out. um But again, i I just, uh, making that simple mistake, um, turning, you know, fixing that.
00:31:38
echo_blades
mean, cause we all, there's that adage that, you know, knife making isn't good. Knife makers aren't really that great. They're just really good at fixing their, their minor, you know, mess ups and everything.
00:31:46
Denis Tyrell
yeah
00:31:48
Denis Tyrell
Oh,
00:31:48
echo_blades
So that was cool.
00:31:50
echo_blades
Uh, but like, overall just, it was good to just get after it and do a bunch of things. Um, So I worked on that and then I, I tried grinding on the, um, the Tobin jig.
00:32:01
Denis Tyrell
yeah. How'd that go?
00:32:01
echo_blades
Um, I started that.
00:32:03
echo_blades
Um, it's good. I think I gotta, I gotta make some adjustments on it for whatever reason. i think it's the relationship between the jig and my platen. I'm, I get platen jig.
00:32:16
echo_blades
I have like a, a weird angle
00:32:16
Denis Tyrell
Oh, there's... Yeah.
00:32:19
echo_blades
on
00:32:20
Denis Tyrell
but um Pull up the two screws and that thing will actually turn.
00:32:24
echo_blades
Yeah. And I was trying to to get it to where it would lock in and be square on both sides.
00:32:24
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
00:32:29
echo_blades
But everywhere i moved it, it was just a little off. But I got it. I got figure it figured out. ah But then I ran out time and and called it. But ah yeah, I did that. Cleaned up the shop. did did So it wasri was a good day.
00:32:43
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, sounds like this is today.
00:32:43
echo_blades
um lot lot of hands on me.
00:32:45
echo_blades
This was Sunday.
00:32:45
Denis Tyrell
no. no yeah Sunday. Yeah. Yeah, of course.
00:32:47
echo_blades
Yeah.
00:32:48
Denis Tyrell
Today's Monday.
00:32:48
echo_blades
Yeah. And then Saturday ah went to Jeff's we worked on the press again. That was probably the most gratifying of the thing.
00:32:57
Denis Tyrell
i Saw some stuff
Hydraulic Press Project
00:32:58
Denis Tyrell
on Instagram. i
00:32:59
Denis Tyrell
didn't get a chance to review it all but I saw holes drilled I saw Lots of holes actually
00:32:59
echo_blades
Yeah.
00:32:59
echo_blades
A
00:33:06
echo_blades
whole lot holes. Our holes got holes. Like this is... That was, I thought I drilled a lot of holes the last time I was there, but um that was just in in the in the little plates that we were making to hold the the beams together.
00:33:21
echo_blades
um But this was the first time i was able, we didn't bolt it all up, ah but we have the the uprights, columns, whatever you want to call them, the the vertical structure.
00:33:32
echo_blades
ah We have the top plate. I'm the top beam and the bottom beam. Um, the, the racing bearings that we're using those little sliding things that we're using to, for the dynamic jaw, we got those set, um, and kind of put it all together. At least as the first time I've seen it almost, you know, whole.
00:33:53
echo_blades
So all that's next is to, um, now the cylinders here, uh, next time we get together, we're going to start fitting up the, the dynamic beam and, uh,
00:33:54
Denis Tyrell
Cool.
00:34:05
echo_blades
really the jaw, the one that, the one that moves the head.
00:34:05
Denis Tyrell
When you said dynamic beam, you mean the head?
00:34:10
Denis Tyrell
Okay.
00:34:10
echo_blades
Yeah.
00:34:10
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
00:34:10
echo_blades
we call That's Jeff's calling it the dynamic being like, I, I like that term.
00:34:15
echo_blades
So yeah, the, the piece that moves.
00:34:16
Denis Tyrell
Sounds very scientific.
00:34:18
echo_blades
Yeah. Well, he's a fucking mad scientist in his own, right? um
00:34:22
Denis Tyrell
Cool. Well, that's exciting.
00:34:23
echo_blades
Yeah. Yeah. That was cool. um I felt it's always good when you're, for me, though, the worst part about the building stuff is, is it sounds really bad, but like the thought that it takes to plan the build, but then all of the small steps.
00:34:38
Denis Tyrell
Oh, I got a lot to say about that today later and when I talk about my build, but yeah, go ahead.
00:34:40
echo_blades
Yeah.
00:34:44
echo_blades
Yeah. your, your, the planning, the, the steps that it takes, and then, you know, putting all that together. But when you, once you finally get to the point where everything starts to fit together, you're like, ah, okay.
00:34:57
echo_blades
Like, this is, this is good. um
00:34:59
Denis Tyrell
Yeah. So what, um, so you guys have the four up like the the square the rectangle okay and you're going to be working on the head i'll call it the head had the head that moves um so you got to do the cylinder you have has like the clevis pins like the so you got to do the at least at jeff shop he'll have no problem drilling a big hole for that clevis pin and
00:35:07
echo_blades
Yep. Yep.
00:35:11
echo_blades
Stay ahead. Fine. Yep.
00:35:19
echo_blades
Yep.
00:35:25
echo_blades
Bro, he had the, speaking of that, like I walked past a drill that he has. It was the biggest drill bit I've ever seen. And he, he was telling me that it's just a regular drill.
00:35:34
Denis Tyrell
Like a twist drill?
00:35:36
echo_blades
It was like almost two inch.
00:35:38
Denis Tyrell
Wow.
00:35:39
echo_blades
And he, and I was like, that thing is just gigantic. And he's like, no, no, I have a three inch. uh, over in the back that we've used a handful of times. I'm like, good God. It was, it was, I mean, it was, it was, it was big, but yeah.
00:35:51
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
00:35:52
echo_blades
So he's got, we got a plan. That's, that's one of those things where we got to, to figure out, um, how we're going to get that hole in and, and assemble it, uh, without running out of room.
00:36:03
echo_blades
Um, because it's going to be predominantly bolted together. um
00:36:14
Denis Tyrell
What you're talking about is is the tricky part because when I put mine together, it was like, how do i but how do I do this so I can put the cylinder in, put everything together, but then get it out again if I ever need to fix it
00:36:14
echo_blades
ke Yeah.
00:36:25
echo_blades
Exactly. Yep. Yep. that's That's what he was, that's what we were discussing. And and I was like, okay. All right. I'm i'm following that. um But now that with the cylinders there, we can start actually visualizing and measuring and, you know, and figuring that out. You could plan that all you want, but until parts are all there and
00:36:44
Denis Tyrell
yeah
00:36:44
echo_blades
you're working on everything you guaranteed to mess it up. If you just, yeah.
00:36:47
Denis Tyrell
yeah yeah you can't do by i i made sure i had all of my parts together before i started like welding anything
00:36:51
echo_blades
Yeah.
00:36:54
echo_blades
Yeah. Yeah. But that was so apart. Cause there's going to be a lot of welding that's going on, but if you think about it, we have the uprights and then we have the beams, but what we're doing is we're,
00:37:10
echo_blades
but we're We're going to have plates, like half-inch plates in between the upright and the beam. So those there's but that's going to be bolted to the upright.
00:37:22
echo_blades
And then once we set all that up so everything lines up, and now we're going to weld the beam itself to those plates. So the beams will be one piece removable, but they'll be secured by bolts to the upright.
00:37:38
Denis Tyrell
I see it. And then you're, you have something that rides on the track of those.
00:37:42
echo_blades
And then we have something that those bearing, those they're called race, race bearings or I can't.
00:37:43
Denis Tyrell
i get it.
00:37:48
Denis Tyrell
Okay. So you use them as like guide rails basically for like a linear rail system kind of.
00:37:50
echo_blades
Yeah. Yep. Yep. They're exactly. Yeah. But they're like super high grade and,
00:37:54
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
00:37:56
echo_blades
And the way he was describing it to me is like, these things actually work better with the more side pressure that's actually on them. They're like, that's what they're, they function a lot better when everything's compressed together. Cause I'm, I'm worried about this thing with the upward force.
00:38:15
echo_blades
you know Am I going to come off? you know if every if those things that's the That's the tricky part is getting those slider parts on the on the rail. We have to get that squared up to the to the head.
00:38:27
Denis Tyrell
Perfectly. Yeah.
00:38:28
echo_blades
yeah and Once we get that locked in, then the up and down feature is going to be fine.
00:38:29
Denis Tyrell
Yeah. yeah
00:38:34
echo_blades
And then as we bolt everything and get everything together, it it should...
00:38:34
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
00:38:38
echo_blades
um it'll actually get better the the more tighter everything's put together. So yeah, it's a little tricky thing, but you know, again, working with, with the material that we have and you know, that's, that's the fun part about, you know, doing this and yeah, yeah, we're getting there.
00:38:52
Denis Tyrell
Cool. Well, i look forward to seeing it
00:38:55
echo_blades
I got a name for it.
00:38:57
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
00:38:59
echo_blades
Are you ready?
00:39:00
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, I'm ready. Come on, tell me.
00:39:02
echo_blades
The Sasquatch.
00:39:06
Denis Tyrell
ah Okay, okay, I like it.
00:39:07
echo_blades
Yes, I'm going to have, i have a picture of a, of a, it'll, it might be Harry from Harry and the Hendersons, but I haven't done it, but there's a couple of ah things.
00:39:18
echo_blades
My buddy's going to do a um cut out ah um a thing on the ah plasma cutter of a, of a Sasquatch.
00:39:29
echo_blades
I have a video of one, like peeking around with flipping it off. I'm going to put that right on the head there.
00:39:34
Denis Tyrell
ah
00:39:36
echo_blades
But yeah, that's what it's going to be the Sasquatch.
00:39:39
Denis Tyrell
Very cool. Very cool.
00:39:40
echo_blades
Yeah. I'm stoked about that. to The toe crusher was not not, I wasn't feeling that. No.
00:39:47
Denis Tyrell
No, I don't think your wife would appreciate the ah reference.
00:39:49
echo_blades
no But she she told me something funny. She goes, she, because she never interacts with the things, ah with the show. um And I mean, it's a whole thing with my family and and her.
00:39:59
Denis Tyrell
Right. Right.
00:40:02
echo_blades
They're like, you know, we just, we we get enough of you. We don't need to to hear you all day long. And, uh, but she had laughed and, you know, put a couple of, you know, emojis and and likes and stuff like that. Cause the show, you know, put your best foot forward. And I asked her, I'm like, so did you listen or like, did you hear my joke?
00:40:19
echo_blades
Cause was kind of like, you know, I'm going to put my best foot forward. ah She says, no, I read the transcript.
00:40:27
Denis Tyrell
Oh, I forgot.
00:40:28
echo_blades
And I started laughing so hard. I'm like, you just you don't want to listen to me that bad. She's like, I hear your ass enough. I just read the transcript.
00:40:36
Denis Tyrell
ah
00:40:38
echo_blades
So I thought that was pretty funny. Which was weird because I forget that everything we say is fucking transcribed. Yeah.
00:40:45
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, I totally forgot. That must be on I guess they both have it, Apple and Spotify both
00:40:54
echo_blades
But you know what else though? I got a couple other things here, but and you haven't talked a lot, but I did go on maritime knife supply today and start to put together a pretty big order for some steel. Cause I need to do that.
00:41:07
echo_blades
I'm running out of Damascus material. So um i got my cart. kind of where I want it right now. But ah if you are looking for any kind of knife making supplies, go check out our buddy Lawrence Lake at Maritime Knife Supply. He's got everything that you need. This was the first time I'd been on the site where I actually kind of dove through the the folder section.
00:41:33
echo_blades
which is really well put together.
00:41:34
Denis Tyrell
Nice.
00:41:35
echo_blades
So good job on, on helping them out. And Lawrence kicked ass with the the way that's all laid out. Really cool. um But yeah, speaking of folder parts, abrasives, steel, tools of all kinds, you know, whatever you need, Lawrence has got it. So make sure you go check it out and tell them that the boys at triple T sent you.
00:42:01
Denis Tyrell
Yep, looking forward to seeing Mr. Lake at Blade Show in just over a month, you believe that?
00:42:09
echo_blades
What is it? Five weeks? Five or six?
00:42:12
Denis Tyrell
Today's the 28th, yeah, or 29th when you guys hear this, yeah. It's like five weeks, less than five weeks.
00:42:18
echo_blades
Yeah.
00:42:20
Denis Tyrell
Or five weeks exactly, actually, by the time, yeah.
00:42:21
echo_blades
Yeah. yeah Yeah. It's five weeks. Yeah.
00:42:24
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
00:42:25
echo_blades
Yeah. Now I'm looking forward to it too.
00:42:26
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
00:42:29
Denis Tyrell
But, um, I was not feeling as productive last week as i had hoped. Cause I, the week before everything seemed to go so quick, starting up those folders and they are actually in a really good spot right now. Cause they're all the three folders I'm working on are all there. The lockups all working. You saw them.
00:42:49
Denis Tyrell
Um, ah Actually, even after I ground all the bolsters clean and everything. But I'm kind of in a... I'm stalled right now because I'm waiting for the rest that I ordered for my disc grinder.
00:42:49
echo_blades
Yep. Mm-hmm.
00:43:04
Denis Tyrell
ah Because i have tried doing... I mean, I have done bolsters. The flat part of the bolster that meets the scale.
00:43:15
Denis Tyrell
um I've done that on the plant and fucked it up before. And it's like, I thought it was flat. but then went to put the scales up against it and then there's gap um because they weren't actually flat. So I'm waiting to use the disc render on that one.
00:43:32
Denis Tyrell
So that's okay. i really needed to focus back on the dagger, which which I am making some progress on.
00:43:38
echo_blades
I think that thing goes horizontal and vertical, but there's no rest.
00:43:42
Denis Tyrell
There's no rest, but there will be.
00:43:43
echo_blades
There's no rest. Gotcha.
00:43:45
Denis Tyrell
There will be. But the... um and but what you kind of What you were talking about earlier about, you know, you get to step in a build that, for me, like you say, you know, when you're designing, you're thinking, and, like, I'm i'm at the, like, or was for the last two weeks kind of at the overthinking stage of this Decker.
00:44:10
echo_blades
Right.
00:44:10
Denis Tyrell
Like, you know, I'm at the point of like, I was gonna, I need to do the actual keyhole part, like grind the keyhole out of the back of this dagger and grind some of it and just get it to that point.
00:44:27
Denis Tyrell
And I have to grind that keyhole, grind the basic bevels in the dagger and then heat treat. Cause obviously I have to you know, it has to be heat treated when i push the wood in because you're done at that point. Right.
00:44:41
echo_blades
Right.
00:44:41
Denis Tyrell
So um'm i I have this like, you know, call it um analysis paralysis or whatever. Like I'm like, it's this reluctance on a difficult step to where to the point where I just don't want to do it because I'm afraid of like a difficult step.
00:45:00
echo_blades
<unk> Speaking my language right now, buddy.
00:45:03
Denis Tyrell
Right. So I finally broke down um this morning and I drilled the hole and I drilled the hole right through. um not I'm making a motion, not this way, but this way for the quillians because quillians are drilled and tapped into the sides.
00:45:22
Denis Tyrell
So I did that. And somehow I got that on an angle and then i proceeded to spend two hours back and forth With the induction forge, tweaking the blade and the handle to get that fucking hole lined up. And I had to twist the blade to match the... Anyway, it was a whole ordeal.
00:45:42
Denis Tyrell
um There was some cursing going on. But finally got that fixed. And that kind of just gave me a kick in the ass to to do the actual keyhole. which I ended up doing on the mill.
00:45:54
Denis Tyrell
It was super easy. It took me like an hour. And it's it's at the state now. I'm i'm just going to do some basic bevels, and then I'm going to heat treat this thing.
00:46:04
Denis Tyrell
And then, you know, yeah I did the task I was afraid to do, which was the
00:46:06
echo_blades
do the task you're afraid to do.
00:46:10
echo_blades
Oh,
00:46:12
Denis Tyrell
You know I'm not afraid to push the wood in it. i'm I'm almost assuming this is not going to work the first time, but whatever. i'm goingnna I'm going to hope I get lucky and we'll see.
00:46:25
Denis Tyrell
But it's coming along.
00:46:26
echo_blades
it and you didn't do this, this same process on the, on the last one. Cause that was,
00:46:30
Denis Tyrell
No, because on the last one, I literally filed a piece of wood and I checked it and filed it and checked and filed it.
00:46:36
Denis Tyrell
And it took me the better part of a day because it had to be removable it was not pressed in this one is never coming out once it's pressed so yeah
00:46:36
echo_blades
Gotcha.
00:46:43
echo_blades
ah Okay. Gotcha.
00:46:50
echo_blades
Well, you're human.
00:46:53
Denis Tyrell
but now now i'm at the point where oh i'm i'm sometimes things get so hard and i look at it and i'm like oh i'm just gonna put it away for a while because i don't want it to get more wrong
00:47:06
echo_blades
I'm curious if anybody else feels this way, but like, I think that's one of the more admirable things that you, the about you, I guess, is that like most of the time you're, you're pretty fearless about doing things you haven't done before. Like there's a, a large part of a great part of the channel um that is about, you know,
00:47:29
echo_blades
um I'm going to try this because I've never done this, you know? in
00:47:33
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
00:47:34
echo_blades
And you've been, I mean, you've been successful in making it look at least doable. I don't know. I haven't really heard much trepidation behind a process.
00:47:44
Denis Tyrell
Yeah. What you guys don't see is like me lying in bed, not being able to sleep the night before, literally going over it in my head over to the point where I'm like pissed off because it's three in the morning.
00:47:49
echo_blades
Well, thank God we don't see that. Jesus. Yeah.
00:47:57
Denis Tyrell
I haven't been able to sleep yet and I have to get up at
00:47:59
echo_blades
Right.
00:48:02
Denis Tyrell
sex six or seven or something like that and barely get any sleep but um
00:48:04
echo_blades
Whoa. but You know, if you get up and sex, dude, geez, what's the matter with you? It's a family show.
00:48:12
Denis Tyrell
but uh yeah you guys don't hear about all of the sleepless nights and the how am i going to do this and all the thinking but maybe there's maybe it appears fearless but there's a lot
00:48:23
echo_blades
And you do... Generally, I mean, there's been a couple of miss-ups, but you're pretty good about, you know, hiding the the mother Fs in the middle of the videos.
00:48:32
Denis Tyrell
yeah Occasionally they sneak past, but yeah.
00:48:34
echo_blades
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:48:39
Denis Tyrell
But i I did have a class this weekend, um and um John was a student I had.
00:48:39
echo_blades
Well, shit. Go ahead.
00:48:48
Denis Tyrell
He was actually from Sacramento, which was nice, someone local.
00:48:51
echo_blades
Nice.
00:48:51
Denis Tyrell
ah He did well. he We started with the typical forging, and of course we used the Two Bastards straight peen hammer. um which he loved.
00:49:03
echo_blades
so It's called a fat bean.
00:49:05
Denis Tyrell
Well, the type is a straight pin.
00:49:07
echo_blades
It's called a fat bean. the
00:49:10
Denis Tyrell
And I turned him on to that. I don't know how much Ford... He seems like he wants to be more of a st stock removal guy, but um you never know what...
00:49:18
echo_blades
Stay with it, John.
00:49:22
Denis Tyrell
but if you guys need yourself a forging hammer... um or I'll say a hammer, not even, doesn't even have to be a forging hammer because he pointed out the, the little pin setting hammer that when I first got, you know, I told the story, I was like, what going to do with this?
00:49:34
echo_blades
Yeah.
00:49:37
Denis Tyrell
I use that thing all the time, all the time, um especially on the folders.
00:49:38
echo_blades
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:49:43
Denis Tyrell
so I love that thing. But if you guys need a hammer ah Go check out Frank and Nita over at Two Bastards Texas Smithian Supplies.
00:49:53
Denis Tyrell
Get yourself a straight peen, cross peen, dog head, you name it. He'll set you up and get you all your hammering needs solved.
00:50:05
Denis Tyrell
Because... jared that's your cue.
00:50:09
echo_blades
Ain't it grand to have a fat peen in your hand?
00:50:14
Denis Tyrell
Even if you have a round peen, you'll...
00:50:18
echo_blades
No, you didn't. you you would You wouldn't say a brown peen, right? you sure?
00:50:22
Denis Tyrell
I said round, Peen.
00:50:23
echo_blades
are you sure
00:50:24
Denis Tyrell
Maybe you'll round down, Peen.
00:50:25
echo_blades
ah the
00:50:26
Denis Tyrell
I don't know.
00:50:29
echo_blades
Some of you got what you got, man. Whatever color it is. Not up to not up the Frank, that's for sure. Oh, yeah. And it looks like this weekend will be the ah the first Lost Bastards hammer-in. I'm not sure if there's any ah tickets left, but if you were lucky enough to get in on that, yeah.
00:50:52
echo_blades
They're going to have a nice hammer in and Gainesville this weekend. A lot of cool people going to be there. you got a Micah done, Sarah Hubbard, Terry done, Eric rivers, Neil Warren doing some demos.
00:51:06
echo_blades
So I'm looking forward to seeing some, some social media content on, that.
00:51:10
Denis Tyrell
And that's Gainesville, Texas, right? Not Florida.
00:51:14
echo_blades
That is Texas. Yes.
00:51:15
Denis Tyrell
Okay.
00:51:16
echo_blades
Yep.
00:51:18
Denis Tyrell
Cool.
00:51:20
echo_blades
Yeah.
00:51:21
Denis Tyrell
All right. So what are we off to here? um Oh, one more thing about that class. Something that when I was at Dave's, Dave Lishes, he said, he ah told me a really interesting thing and actually started started doing it in
Teaching and Knife-Making Efficiency
00:51:39
Denis Tyrell
my class. Two things I started doing.
00:51:41
Denis Tyrell
One is recording a little video after the class, which I still need to post on Instagram about, you know, a little interview kind of thing, a little quick little 30 seconds with the student, ask them how the class went.
00:51:54
Denis Tyrell
Okay. That I took away from his class, totally stealing that. The other one is when Dave has a class, he kind of incorporates it where if he teaches a five-day, say, say, or whatever, make a buoy class in five days or whatever it is, he's making a knife.
00:52:14
Denis Tyrell
So at the end of the class, he's getting paid for the class, but he also he also comes out with a finished knife. And then I said to myself, well, how come I'm not doing that?
00:52:24
Denis Tyrell
Like, I will kind of forge or, like, I'll make a knife along with the students because I want to show them step by step. But usually I ditch it halfway through and then I end up, you know, demoing the small little pieces on their knife. And I'm like, okay, I'm not going to do that anymore.
00:52:40
Denis Tyrell
So I finished this class with a totally finished knife.
00:52:45
echo_blades
Oh, cool.
00:52:45
Denis Tyrell
Which was cool because it didn't take any extra time for me. I was still teaching the class and now I finished the class with a knife that I can sell at Blade Show. that's going to be my my m MO from now on.
00:52:59
echo_blades
Nice. So you're going to put more effort into your knife than your students. That's really cool of you.
00:53:05
Denis Tyrell
No. Yeah.
00:53:06
echo_blades
So I have to finish. This is going to be. Yeah. No, I think that's ah that's a really cool idea because um i think one of the, I'm guessing, I don't know this because I've never done a class, but I think one of the hard parts about, or one of the challenges I think that is presented when you you are teaching a class is um resisting the temptation to pull the piece out of the student's hand and doing it for them.
00:53:32
Denis Tyrell
yeah
00:53:34
echo_blades
Uh, I've have worked with a lot of people. Uh, some are less, that's one of the things that I do appreciate about all the times that we've done is that, you there's been a handful of times where I'm just like, just fucking do it. Like, you know, quit fucking telling me, just show me what you do.
00:53:53
echo_blades
But I appreciate the fact that you, you don't ever do anything for me. Right. So, um, there's some times, I guess when you're in the time crunch with, you know, that you're in in a class that that might be necessary.
00:54:06
echo_blades
um But having the ability to show and demonstrate what you're trying to show to them that doesn't affect their piece, you know, I think that's a really good, good idea and a cool
00:54:15
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
00:54:18
Denis Tyrell
And it's it's nice because I can... you know, I can show them on my knife and they look at mine and they're, yeah. And okay, I'm not padding my ego here, but of course my knife tends to look better than the one they're making.
00:54:33
echo_blades
Yeah.
00:54:33
Denis Tyrell
ah so it it's like they have something to strive to as well.
00:54:36
echo_blades
Sure.
00:54:36
Denis Tyrell
Um, so, but, uh, yeah, it came out nice and I use that segmented handle that I did in a triple T video, last month or the month before or whatever.
00:54:38
echo_blades
Yeah.
00:54:47
echo_blades
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:54:48
Denis Tyrell
Yeah. which came out beautiful, so shined up real nice. I was happy with
00:54:53
echo_blades
Very cool. Speaking of your students there, I got a message from Steve Lockhart today.
00:55:00
Denis Tyrell
it. Oh.
00:55:00
echo_blades
um You had brought up that he had a jig that you thought would but work good for me with the angled plunges on the rest or something like that.
00:55:12
Denis Tyrell
Yes, yes.
00:55:13
echo_blades
Anyways, he was very kind to reach out to me. and um you know, ah so he's he's put something together and was following up because I should be going back to Washington in the next couple of weeks. I haven't quite figured that out, but he was asking if I was going to be there and he messaged me this morning ah during work and I, and I haven't got back to him. So I just, just text him or message him right now and told him I'm recording the podcast and I just remembered about this. So I'm going to tell you your answer here. So just give him a shout out and say, I don't know yet.
00:55:47
echo_blades
So hang tight. um But I'm,
00:55:50
Denis Tyrell
And when you when you go, are you close to Portland?
00:55:54
echo_blades
Yes.
00:55:54
Denis Tyrell
when you Oh, yeah, because he's like a stone sword from there.
00:55:54
echo_blades
um I'm like a stone's throw from Portland.
00:55:58
echo_blades
Yeah, that's what you're saying.
00:55:59
Denis Tyrell
Yeah. Yeah.
00:55:59
echo_blades
So he's going to hook up with me while, while I'm in the area.
00:56:00
Denis Tyrell
Yeah. yeah
00:56:03
echo_blades
So um I haven't quite finalized that trip though. So, um but if I don't do it, then um I'll let you know. And, know, I'm in no, I'm in no rush.
00:56:10
Denis Tyrell
but we you What you should do, what you should do is beg him to take you fishing. well if you get an extra day there, see if he'll take you fishing.
00:56:22
echo_blades
Well, Dennis, you know, I'm pretty good at working in things that benefit me more than anybody else. But yeah, no, I would love to do that.
00:56:33
echo_blades
That's that's something i just the the problem with that trip, though, is like I have a I'd have to time it in with getting a day.
00:56:45
echo_blades
to to, make that happen. Right.
00:56:46
Denis Tyrell
yeah
00:56:47
echo_blades
So, uh, it's really just like, I'm there work, work, work, work and then I'm, I'm gone. It's such a quick trip, but, um, I do plan on trying to do that and then working in, uh, somehow trying to get up a little North to go see, uh, Noah or some, you know one of the bunch of makers that are up that way.
00:57:06
Denis Tyrell
it
00:57:06
Denis Tyrell
If Noah didn't live in the middle of fucking nowhere, i would have gone to see him when I was up there. But it was like like a three-hour drive and could go the hospital.
00:57:06
echo_blades
Cause
00:57:11
echo_blades
yeah.
00:57:15
echo_blades
yeah it's like six or something stupid from from where I'm at, from Vancouver. so
00:57:18
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. It'll be, yeah.
00:57:21
echo_blades
And i at yeah I ain't driving in the snow and all that.
00:57:22
Denis Tyrell
we We love you Noah, but just not that much.
00:57:26
echo_blades
Yeah, not in the winter, that's for sure. I'm all for nice mountain summer drives, but that's it.
00:57:31
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, maybe next time.
00:57:32
echo_blades
um Yeah, and then also wanted to Shout out, well, not shout out, but bring up one of our other sponsors, ah Travis Haynes from Pelican Paste.
00:57:43
echo_blades
If you're in the and the market for some premium wax, go check out Travis Haynes at Pelican Paste. He's got that hard wax, soft wax, Pelican oil, hand-solve soap, custom tins for your for your orders. He's got it all.
00:57:59
echo_blades
ah But I just, I don't know why I feel extremely, like, umm I'm happy for him. Um, you know, he's got a ah table this year, um, at blade show and he just, uh, dropped some, um, some new shirts and a, and a design.
00:58:16
echo_blades
I'm fricking digging it. I, have you seen it yet?
00:58:19
Denis Tyrell
No.
00:58:20
echo_blades
Oh, pull it up right now. It's a, the, the thing is just go to Pelican paste or, or Travis, but this, the logo on this shirt design is just fricking bad-ass.
00:58:22
Denis Tyrell
what what am What am I looking for?
00:58:35
echo_blades
I'm totally digging it. I got to get me one. Travis, save a very large one because I'm a so i'm a small guy.
00:58:44
Denis Tyrell
or I'm at a site, but i I don't see...
00:58:50
Denis Tyrell
I'm not seeing it.
00:58:51
echo_blades
i don't know how to do this without wasting all this podcasting time.
00:58:53
Denis Tyrell
Do I have to go to merch or something?
00:58:56
echo_blades
He said it's on his website too. So maybe that would be...
00:58:58
Denis Tyrell
That's what I'm on. I'm on his website. Catalog.
00:59:04
echo_blades
They're available.
00:59:06
Denis Tyrell
Well.
00:59:08
echo_blades
There's an Instagram post too on PelicanPaste.
00:59:10
Denis Tyrell
Oh, is it the one with the... Yeah, yeah, I just saw it. I just saw it.
00:59:14
echo_blades
Yeah.
00:59:15
Denis Tyrell
That's very cool. It's like steampunk pelican.
00:59:16
echo_blades
It's... Yeah, exactly. it's this yeah's Yeah, yeah scientist steam mad scientist
00:59:24
Denis Tyrell
Very cool. Yeah, I need one of those.
00:59:27
echo_blades
so
00:59:27
Denis Tyrell
Travis, I need an XL. Reserve one for me.
00:59:30
echo_blades
That's right. had an X for this tank, but yeah, uh, go PelicanPaste.com, uh, fill up that cart with all your waxy needs and, uh, use the discount code triple T 10. That's T T T 10 for 10% off your next purchase.
00:59:48
Denis Tyrell
Hey, well, since we're talking about sponsors, I'm going to tell you a true story. So I was working with John. And like, yeah, stock removal. yeah He thinks, you know, he's going to be stock removal guy. i Like the forging he said was fun, but it's probably not something he's going to do.
01:00:02
Denis Tyrell
And I said, well, here, I'm going to show you some steel that you should be interested in And I pulled up the Baker Forge website and I went to whatever one, the, the yeah, the Gomai Cushim and Diamond and Raindrop is what they have now.
01:00:19
Denis Tyrell
So that I think that was came up first on the website.
01:00:19
echo_blades
Yep.
01:00:22
echo_blades
Yep. That's, that's the drop this week.
01:00:24
Denis Tyrell
Yeah. And I showed him that. And then I showed him the ripple and he's like, Holy shit, that is beautiful. And I said, yeah. And then we, I scrolled down to the price and it was like 250 bucks for the, for like a ah bar.
01:00:39
Denis Tyrell
And he could not believe how cheap it was.
01:00:41
echo_blades
Yeah.
01:00:43
Denis Tyrell
And I didn't even mention the triple T, the triple T 10. He could have got 10%. He didn't buy any yet. Cause he's not there yet. But, uh, Yeah, go get yourself some go my kushim and raindrop in diamond and raindrop and any other of the wonderful patterns that the boys at Baker Forge are dreaming up right now.
01:01:03
echo_blades
That's right.
01:01:04
Denis Tyrell
And while you're there, get yourself some Gator Piss and get your pre-order of Gator Piss Max and Gator Piss Heavy. We used the Heavy on our knives because we we were actually... here's ah Here's a promo for the Gator Piss Heavy.
01:01:19
Denis Tyrell
We were actually making knives out of 15 and 20 because they just happened to have a quarter inch 15 and 20 that I figured out we'll just use that. The Heavy turned that stuff black.
01:01:32
echo_blades
nice
01:01:32
Denis Tyrell
Even though it's got nickel in it, turned it black, stonewashed it. You would swear this was 1084. Yeah.
01:01:38
echo_blades
Very cool.
01:01:39
Denis Tyrell
yeah
01:01:39
echo_blades
Yeah, i ah the the knife that we etched, I got to redo it because there was some decarb on the spine, but I was fitting up the handles. One of the other things I was kind of working on this weekend.
01:01:54
echo_blades
Um, and it wasn't black. Cause I think this is a, a EBL. Um, but it was a, a different, different shade of, uh, of dark that I haven't, I just haven't seen it.
01:02:08
echo_blades
Um, but
01:02:12
echo_blades
I'm super stoked because I've, I fit up the handle and the handle's not buffed yet, but the, the multicolored G10 that I have, I'm, I'm pumped about how this is going to come out now. Like, uh,
01:02:22
Denis Tyrell
Nice.
01:02:23
echo_blades
Cause ABL, I, I haven't figured out how to etch that to my liking and, and Farrakh it always comes out less dark than I want, but I'm really pumped about the way this this one's going to look. So yeah, when you guys get it you you're going to be stoked and that's a pre-order is happening now. So make sure you, you get in on that and get a bunch of bars like John's about to, and use the discount code triple T 10 for 10% off your next purchase.
01:02:52
Denis Tyrell
Do it.
01:02:53
echo_blades
Do it. That works.
01:02:56
Denis Tyrell
And actually, i will say John found me because he went to Housemade because he bought a grinder off b Brian, then started looking at the sharpening attachment, which led him to me and then realized he was already watching my videos and then reached out to me.
01:03:17
Denis Tyrell
And asked me, i forget what he asked me, and then said, hey, do you teach classes and da-da-da-da down the line. So small community folks, but yeah, word gets around.
01:03:26
echo_blades
Yeah.
01:03:27
Denis Tyrell
It was good.
01:03:28
echo_blades
Yeah, that was cool. I almost stopped by on Friday. um I got out of... That's been my m MO lately is um working 10s and twelves during during Monday through Thursday and then on Friday because there's no traffic.
01:03:43
echo_blades
Oh, dude. And by the way, so uh, I get up early. Um, and lot of times i I, lollygag around and try not to rush in the morning. Cause that's never a good recipe for my, my, my mood, be just getting up late, rushing, being all cranky and then jumping on the road and sitting in traffic. It's not a good recipe for how my day is going go.
01:04:05
echo_blades
But on Friday's traffic, they go Friday light. Um, it's like, it's like, there's no traffic at all. Um, but I got out got up and I was just like, and yeah I'm just going to go in early. So, um, I'll get in there around six and then I just, I leave right at two 30 and get, get a little jump on the, on the Friday traffic going home is not Friday light but just in the morning.
01:04:29
echo_blades
Um, but, uh, I left in,
01:04:36
echo_blades
I think there's about four or five people that live out over here in this neck of the woods. They all got stuck in a major accident and didn't get to the office until like 8.30 or 9.
01:04:47
Denis Tyrell
So it's good you left early.
01:04:47
echo_blades
I was about a half hour beaten by like a half hour. i mean, that would have pissed me off to...
01:04:52
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
01:04:53
echo_blades
to just lollygag around, you know, and then try to get in early to get out a little early and, uh, get stuck there. But, um, so I was coming through at like, you know, two 45 ish three o'clock. And I was like, I'm going to swing. Nah, fuck those guys. I'm out.
01:05:07
echo_blades
And I just ended up going home. But when I called you, I knew he was going to be there. So and I made sure to talk extra down to you. Yeah.
01:05:19
Denis Tyrell
ah Yeah, you should stop by Friday because Cam will be hopefully finish off Cam's axe. So I'd like you to meet him.
01:05:28
echo_blades
Yeah. One of these days, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, I'll swing by for sure.
01:05:31
Denis Tyrell
Yeah. Yeah.
01:05:34
echo_blades
um But yeah, that's ah that's cool. I got my billet from Micah Dunn, MD Edgeworks. The feather came.
01:05:43
Denis Tyrell
Mm-hmm.
01:05:43
echo_blades
so um Although I want to.
01:05:49
echo_blades
throw that in the mix ahead of some things. But you're gone this weekend, so that's gonna that's going to help my case a little bit.
01:05:54
Denis Tyrell
Oh, yeah.
01:05:58
Denis Tyrell
What
01:05:59
echo_blades
um and But I want to forge that. That feather.
01:06:04
Denis Tyrell
what do you mean? Hold Is it the feather? Is that what it is?
01:06:07
echo_blades
It's the feather, yeah.
01:06:08
Denis Tyrell
Okay, so you just have a block of feather. You you need to...
01:06:11
echo_blades
Yeah, he stretched it a little bit, but it's I have some work to to do on the forging. But both you and Hannah, everybody recommends, though, like if you're going to... the feather looks a hundred times better if you forge that, uh, the tip in and everything.
01:06:25
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
01:06:26
echo_blades
So I want to do that and try it.
01:06:27
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, it will.
01:06:29
echo_blades
Um, so, but got pumped my brakes and not start another project and ahs finish another, other stuff.
01:06:36
Denis Tyrell
I know it's hard.
01:06:39
echo_blades
Yeah. But, uh, thank you, Micah. Uh, I got it. Um, I didn't actually didn't even reach out to him to say thank you yet, but there you go. Here's your, here's your kisses and hugs. Thank you, bro.
01:06:51
echo_blades
I
01:06:52
Denis Tyrell
all right. Shall we do some maker spotlights?
01:06:55
echo_blades
and think so.
01:06:56
Denis Tyrell
All right. I'll go first. I know we've done this one in the past, but I'm going to call out Cody Santos, um really because he and I had a ah great
Journeyman Knifemaking Test Advice
01:07:08
Denis Tyrell
call. I told him, you know, I i know he's working on his journeyman knives, and I told him, hey, give me a call. Let's review what you got.
01:07:16
Denis Tyrell
um you know he had some questions he wanted to ask me and i said sure let's just do a video call we had a great call i think he's definitely on his way i mean he's and he's the the one the one advice the the main advice i give me he's got all five knives the blades are actually done they're at the different levels of hand sanding in the blades and i'm like you need to get one or two of those to completion and show them to a couple of mastersmiths before you get too far into the others in case there's a mistake that you're making that you don't know about.
01:07:49
echo_blades
Gotcha.
01:07:54
Denis Tyrell
Don't make this, because that's one thing that will fail you is if there's the same mistake on multiple knives.
01:07:59
echo_blades
Oh, gotcha.
01:08:00
Denis Tyrell
But, um, but so far he's looking great. And I saw right before this, an Instagram of him, uh, working on a guard and the fit up looked amazing. So, uh,
01:08:10
Denis Tyrell
I have no doubt he's going to pass, hopefully. I'm not jinxing you, but you're going to pass.
01:08:15
echo_blades
He's going this year.
01:08:16
Denis Tyrell
Yes, yes.
01:08:17
echo_blades
Yeah.
01:08:17
Denis Tyrell
Well, it's up in the air because it's pretty tight. He's only got four weeks. I mean, he's got all the five of the knives he thinks are done, and he's just got to do guards and handles and finish work, but that can be, you know, he's not working on these full time, right?
01:08:33
Denis Tyrell
He's he's got a he's got a day job, so hopefully he makes it in time. I think he'll push it at the end.
01:08:38
echo_blades
talk Cody's my dude. i I really, really, really like him.
01:08:42
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
01:08:44
echo_blades
we've ah yeah We chat. i would we're We're both very similar with our are our gigs being full, you know but ah pretty regularly we'll text back and forth. and um beenn since we met him at Maker's Camp a couple years back.
01:09:02
Denis Tyrell
yeah
01:09:03
echo_blades
My hope was to to test with him. um And if he does do it, i'm pushing for him, pulling for him. But if he doesn't, then hopefully we'll get to be in the same class here next year because I think that's that's going to be my goal. but But his... ah ah Yeah, a great dude. Great work. um Just appreciate the hell out ah out of Cody. I'm glad that a he reached out and you guys had that chance to talk.
01:09:33
echo_blades
That's cool. Good dude.
01:09:35
Denis Tyrell
i say but Wait, <unk>re we're going to back up a bit. Did I just hear you've never mentioned a date to me before? Did I just hear that you have your eyes set on 2026 to do your journeyman?
Participation in Knife Shows
01:09:47
echo_blades
I do. That's my, that's my, yeah, I have that zero intention.
01:09:48
Denis Tyrell
Nice.
01:09:52
Denis Tyrell
Right, I've never heard you even mention that before.
01:09:54
echo_blades
cause I haven't, I haven't want to, but I'm, I'm a little, uh, little motivated to, try to try turn some stuff around this next year. But yeah, that's, that's what I said.
01:10:02
Denis Tyrell
Nice.
01:10:04
echo_blades
Now I also wanted to do one of these local knife shows or fairs here last year. That didn't happen. So we'll see. But yeah, that's, that's, uh, that's, uh,
01:10:11
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, because you're going to have to get on some, it's all hidden tangs or integrals.
01:10:17
echo_blades
Yeah. Or integrals, which I love integrals that I've never done. So, yeah. But yeah, no, that's it's kind of what I'm thinking.
01:10:28
echo_blades
But we'll see how that goes.
01:10:30
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, well, you know.
01:10:30
echo_blades
But pushing for you buddy. I got hustles too. That's impressive because, you know, he just went through a pretty big deal with some testing or something he was doing for certification in his day job.
01:10:43
Denis Tyrell
That's right. Yeah, we talked about that too, guys.
01:10:43
echo_blades
So, yeah. So.
01:10:46
Denis Tyrell
Got a bunch of work stuff going on.
01:10:48
echo_blades
Yeah.
01:10:48
Denis Tyrell
So, yeah, i'm I'm hoping he does finish the knives in time and we get to we'll see him at Blade Show anyway. Oh, one thing that when I tested, I... Now, my memory's not the best. Maybe I'm getting old, but I am 99.99% sure to...
01:11:10
Denis Tyrell
um I think I thought it was the ABS guys. Maybe it was the blade show, but that whether you needed a table or not to test,
01:11:27
Denis Tyrell
And I am 99% certain that someone, I don't remember who it was, told me that, yes, you have to have a table. ah You can share a table with another another person testing, which is the only time you can share a table with Blade.
01:11:44
Denis Tyrell
But I'm pretty sure someone told me you have to have a table in order to test.
01:11:48
echo_blades
and interesting
01:11:49
Denis Tyrell
And then I told Cody that. And I thought, even while I was saying it to him, and I'm like, I think it's weird because how would they ever know?
01:11:57
echo_blades
Right.
01:11:57
Denis Tyrell
Because you don't have to put your table. You just walk into the room and you put your knives down. like They don't ask what's your table number. um So I thought that was exactly.
01:12:06
echo_blades
That seems like a racket, dude. That seems like a racket.
01:12:09
Denis Tyrell
Well, here's the second. and So he calls um the ABS and they say, no, no, there's no affiliation with Blade Show. You don't even have to pay to go to the show.
01:12:16
echo_blades
Yeah.
01:12:18
Denis Tyrell
Because it's not at the show, it's at the hotel.
01:12:20
echo_blades
Yeah. It's at the hotel.
Blade Show and Knife Testing
01:12:22
echo_blades
Yeah.
01:12:22
Denis Tyrell
So, yeah, there is no requirement to have a table and and pay to go to the show.
01:12:24
echo_blades
Oh, good.
01:12:28
echo_blades
Yeah, that's I was gonna say that sounds like a racket, dude.
01:12:30
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, and I'm pretty sure it was a racket. i was you know i got I was getting a table anyway, but I'm going ask Rick what he thought because I think he got a table for that reason as well.
01:12:35
echo_blades
Right.
01:12:42
echo_blades
Oh, well, we also got somebody to shave their arm off, too. So double, double the value.
01:12:49
Denis Tyrell
He did.
01:12:50
echo_blades
Yeah. probably one of my favorites i just wanted to see how sharp it was well you fucking found out didn't you dude no way i love that
01:12:59
Denis Tyrell
but
01:13:02
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, he's not a man you want to piss off either.
01:13:04
echo_blades
no way ah love that guy i so this weekend
01:13:07
Denis Tyrell
All right. So who's your maker spotlight?
01:13:13
echo_blades
what was i doing i Was watching a, and going through YouTube, and I think I was watching, yes, 100%, for like some good content.
01:13:23
Denis Tyrell
You were cheating on me.
01:13:28
echo_blades
yeah
01:13:31
echo_blades
Jesse Hugh. Jesse Hugh? Hugh?
01:13:34
Denis Tyrell
I don't know.
01:13:34
echo_blades
who Hugh?
01:13:35
Denis Tyrell
Who? Who? Who's
Spotlight on Notable Knife Makers
01:13:37
Denis Tyrell
on first?
01:13:37
echo_blades
Jesse. Yeah. the um The kid that's won all the Forge and Fires.
01:13:42
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, I know who you mean.
01:13:46
echo_blades
you're going total digital on me right now.
01:13:47
Denis Tyrell
What? Oh, well.
01:13:50
echo_blades
I said, the kid that's won all the forging fires.
01:13:51
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, I know who he is.
01:13:51
echo_blades
the Yeah, yeah, yeah. So watching his channel, which I which i like, um and he was making a big-ass buoy or something like that. And he had mentioned...
01:14:04
echo_blades
This guy. um So I went and looked him up. And so my spotlight today is where the hell is his name? I'm going to butcher this. ah Jocko van D. Bruin horse.
01:14:20
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, you did butcher it.
01:14:23
echo_blades
I have no idea how to say that for real. I can't even make up but and accent because I don't know where it's at. JVV Knives. um And so i i looked at his YouTube channel.
01:14:35
echo_blades
Fantastic. A lot of good stuff. And then I wasn't following him. So I jumped over to his IG page and i was just absolutely wowed by how much awesomeness this dude is doing.
01:14:50
echo_blades
Um, and that's what I wanted to, uh, shout them out. So that's that dude's name. ah Jocko J A C C O V A N D E B R U I N H O R S T. And it's Jocko van D boruin horse.
01:15:09
echo_blades
Obviously that's how you spell it.
01:15:10
Denis Tyrell
Jakob van Brunhorst.
01:15:13
echo_blades
Of course. There you go.
01:15:15
Denis Tyrell
but
01:15:15
echo_blades
There you go. See,
01:15:17
Denis Tyrell
I've been following him for a long time. In fact, his video on the keyhole, the ah the keyhole hunter ah is very, very informative. That's the one that I'm using as, you know, a recipe on how to do the keyhole is his video.
01:15:34
echo_blades
Yep. Yeah. yeah
01:15:35
Denis Tyrell
um Because he's got a lot of little techniques like like microwaving the block of wood and heating up like certain little steps that um I've heard other people, like Justin has referenced his videos as well on how to do keyholes.
01:15:52
echo_blades
Yeah. And then, so yeah, he's got to plenty of followers, 23,000, 923, 24,000 damn um followers on i g as a youtube channel um so and i'm looking at it And I think it's saying that 160 plus mutual people follow him already.
01:16:16
echo_blades
So you probably already are. And I'm just late to the game. But if you're not,
Show Timing and Damascus Techniques
01:16:20
echo_blades
make sure you go check him out. Check out that YouTube channel. a lot of cool stuff. um And he was just here in in Solving last weekend.
01:16:27
Denis Tyrell
I know, and it's crazy because he's from Canada. So, yeah, I did not expect he was going to be at Soleday.
01:16:30
echo_blades
Gotcha.
01:16:34
echo_blades
Yeah. Is that an invitation show?
01:16:37
Denis Tyrell
No.
01:16:38
echo_blades
That's not. Okay.
01:16:39
Denis Tyrell
No, anybody can go.
01:16:40
echo_blades
Gotcha.
01:16:41
Denis Tyrell
I actually heard it was not well attended last year. i know a few people bailed this year, so I don't...
01:16:46
echo_blades
That's what I heard. Yeah. So um I haven't heard much about it. haven't heard about it this year.
01:16:52
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
01:16:52
echo_blades
ah Seth was there, I think, the year before. don't know if he was there this time. But
01:17:01
echo_blades
ah yeah, that kind of deterred me from even entertaining going down there this time. But what was I going to say?
01:17:07
Denis Tyrell
it's and I was just saying, the Solvang show is kind of bad timing, um because it's like a month and a half before Blade Show.
01:17:08
echo_blades
ahead.
01:17:16
echo_blades
Yeah.
01:17:17
Denis Tyrell
blake Unless you're not going to Blade Show and have a table, there's no way. I mean, unless you have a shit ton stock, there's no way I would have enough stock to go to both shows.
01:17:25
echo_blades
yeah
01:17:28
echo_blades
Right.
01:17:29
Denis Tyrell
So I'd like to go to the Solvang show just to see it, but...
01:17:33
echo_blades
it's a for For us, if you guys are even caring, is it is just far enough away to not be
01:17:41
Denis Tyrell
convenient yeah
01:17:41
echo_blades
convenient. Yeah. I mean, if it was within four hours, I would say, yeah you could probably even swing a fricking day trip out there or something. And that wouldn't be fun, but either, but, uh, but the area is supposed to be really nice and I've never actually been.
01:17:56
Denis Tyrell
i've heard that that it's a really pretty area
01:17:56
echo_blades
So yeah.
01:17:59
echo_blades
Yeah. Um, but I didn't do it, but one thing I was watching his video and, um, he was making some Damascus and he heated it up.
01:18:10
echo_blades
Uh, he has a power hammer, where he was setting the welds, but I was just telling you this before we started recording this dude. And I'm not saying there's anything wrong with this because obviously there's not, but from what I saw in the video, he was in, out of the, out of the forge into the power hammer wailing on this thing.
01:18:34
echo_blades
boom boom boom, boom, boom, draw, drew it out first. He, ah and then it was, he was hitting on the sides. Like I was amazed at how aggressive he was while he was drawing, ah setting the welds.
01:18:46
echo_blades
And then like how quickly he went to drawing it out for me with the experience that you and i go through with the press, we tend to, um have three heats of, you know, just kind of tap, tap, setting the welds a little bit.
01:18:57
Denis Tyrell
Yeah. Three heats. Yeah.
01:19:02
echo_blades
And then, then we'll get, moving on on the billet but and i understand the press is you know exponentially faster all to you know all the way around but um yeah it was it was a trip for me to to see him just like set the welds and then yeah i was like it was boom boom boom and then he started squishing it drawing it and then he was on the sides all in the first heat i was like geez that seems
01:19:25
Denis Tyrell
Yeah. um Salem is the same. He's got that power hammer with the huge dies. He can set the weld on his power hammer and just go to town.
01:19:36
Denis Tyrell
And he can do things on the power hammer that you just, you can't do if you don't have, you know, he can do things that you you can't do on a press.
01:19:46
echo_blades
ah When I was with the in Texas with Micah, he actually was pretty aggressive on the first heat in that feather billet that we made.
01:19:57
echo_blades
And I didn't say anything until um a couple hours later. Because I was just like, ooh, it's not what I'm used to doing.
01:20:09
echo_blades
And I asked him about it, and he goes, yeah, I think he's like, I was kind of a ah way more aggressive than I normally am. Um, but apparently it's, it's not the end of the world as long as you're pretty confident that you get that, that thing set.
01:20:21
echo_blades
But I'm just really used to set, set, go back, set, set, set, set.
01:20:25
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
01:20:26
echo_blades
it's more of, I think a superstition at this point in the process that, you know, I'm accustomed to from forging with you, but, um, you know, there's more than one way to skin a cat.
01:20:26
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
01:20:36
echo_blades
So, but that was a trip though.
01:20:37
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
01:20:38
echo_blades
When I was like, I was like, Oh God, that's not gonna, it worked out just fine.
01:20:41
Denis Tyrell
the There is something to be said, like after going to the class with Morocco
01:20:48
Denis Tyrell
and And I'm not saying what Yako does is not this, but being like forging, like not going all hog wild in one direction.
01:20:48
echo_blades
yeah
01:20:59
echo_blades
yeah
01:21:00
Denis Tyrell
like before you true up the sides um like making sure you forge in both directions evenly like horizontal vertical like rotating the billet um because if you get it too far like hourglassed or bulged it it starts to really affect your pattern
01:21:03
echo_blades
yeah
01:21:22
echo_blades
Distorted. Yeah, I can see that.
01:21:22
Denis Tyrell
it distorts your pattern a lot.
01:21:24
echo_blades
Yeah.
01:21:24
Denis Tyrell
So keeping it square, which means maybe like smaller bites rotating is actually good for the billet.
01:21:36
Denis Tyrell
And when I look at, you know, um Uh, Elliot, um, what's Jason Elliot? Um, Ellard, Ellard, I think.
01:21:49
Denis Tyrell
Anyway, he does some amazing Damascus, but he does everything on a fly press. And I think, yeah.
01:21:54
echo_blades
Oh, is that the guy that the manual one?
01:21:57
Denis Tyrell
And I think it actually contributes to how even and how very symmetrical his patterns are because everything is slower because he's using a fly press.
01:22:08
echo_blades
Gotcha.
01:22:08
Denis Tyrell
So he his Damascus doesn't look as distorted as others that I've seen or others that I've done. and I think a lot of
Sponsors and Blade Show Excitement
01:22:16
Denis Tyrell
it is just because he's going slower, um which something to be said for not getting yourself in a hurry.
01:22:18
echo_blades
Hmm.
01:22:24
echo_blades
Nice. I think you featured him not too long ago.
01:22:26
Denis Tyrell
I did, yeah, yeah.
01:22:27
echo_blades
Yeah.
01:22:28
Denis Tyrell
sir He's a rock star when it comes to Damascus, too.
01:22:32
echo_blades
Very cool. Yeah. Well, those are our, uh, our deal for the maker spotlight. Um, and then, uh, yeah, before we get out of here, last but not least, uh, we got, um, Matt over at rock solid sales, um, maker of the, the grip tech,
01:22:53
echo_blades
handle material, um, as well as bunch of other, um, epoxy stabilized, uh, woods. Um, yeah. If you're in the market for some different type of handle material that, uh, has a little extra grip, uh, go check out, uh, yeah.
01:23:10
Denis Tyrell
Grip it and rip it.
01:23:12
echo_blades
ah Go check out Matt at rock solid scales, fill up that cart and get that discount code triple T 10. That's tt T T T 10 for 10% off. um And yeah, after we run through all of these awesome sponsors of ours, um I'm, I'm getting more and more excited about seeing everybody at, at blade show.
01:23:33
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, I was just just thinking that, that I don't think I've ever met. i know I've never met Matt, so I'm looking forward to meeting him this year at Blade Show.
01:23:40
echo_blades
Yeah. Yeah. There's going lot of people over there in that, that, uh, in the, in the small room.
01:23:44
Denis Tyrell
The side room. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:23:45
echo_blades
Yeah.
01:23:47
Denis Tyrell
For sure.
01:23:47
echo_blades
So
01:23:48
Denis Tyrell
Mr. House will be over there. I think Travis is over there too.
01:23:52
echo_blades
Travis is over there.
01:23:53
Denis Tyrell
Travis.
01:23:53
echo_blades
Yeah. Yeah.
01:23:53
Denis Tyrell
Yeah. They're having their own little party over there.
01:23:55
echo_blades
We're going to, yeah, be some good stuff.
01:23:58
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
01:23:59
echo_blades
Rob's normally over there. Uh, Icoa's over there.
01:24:01
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, he's there again.
01:24:03
echo_blades
There's all kinds of people.
01:24:04
Denis Tyrell
yeah i'm sure i'll be spending more money than i should my you would you would think the handle like the wood handle collection would actually you know not increase proportionally more than the knives that i sell but apparently it does i buy 10 times as much handle material as the knives that i actually make
01:24:10
echo_blades
yeah
01:24:29
echo_blades
I can't say no. and just can't stop myself.
01:24:33
Denis Tyrell
I know. and i i have I admit it, I have a problem.
01:24:36
echo_blades
Yeah.
01:24:37
Denis Tyrell
isn't that Isn't that step one on the...
01:24:39
echo_blades
It is, sir.
01:24:40
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, I have a problem.
01:24:41
echo_blades
It is. Yeah. Unfortunately, it's about the only one you're going get to, though.
01:24:48
Denis Tyrell
It's been 120 last purchase.
01:24:53
echo_blades
Yeah, there's a there's a dude I've I don't know. He's been popping up in my reel in my feed lately, but he's ah like a, you know, ah but like an in shape guy. And he stands in front of the thing and he goes, it's been one day since I've eaten a cookie.
01:25:08
echo_blades
And then it will like flashback. It's been 30 minutes since I've eaten a cookie. Like it he keeps doing this over for and over and over. I don't know why, but I find it hilarious. So that's kind of what I should do. It's, it's been one day since I purchased animal material. It's been 30 minutes since I purchased animal material.
01:25:26
echo_blades
Yeah.
01:25:26
Denis Tyrell
I said 120 days, but I am a liar because I bought that ironwood for the frame handle booty last month. So I'm a liar.
01:25:34
echo_blades
yeah Yeah. Yes, you are. You're a big fat liar. So yeah. Beautiful sponsors, Maritime Night Supply, Two Bastards, Baker Forge, A Tool, Pelican Paste, and Rock Solid Scales. Thank you guys for your support. And ah yeah.
01:25:51
echo_blades
Show your support by going and getting a bunch of stuff from those beautiful people.
01:25:55
Denis Tyrell
That's right. They got all the best stuff and they have each other's stuff. So go get some stuff.
01:25:59
echo_blades
Yeah. Yeah.
Knife Sharpening Tools and Techniques
01:26:00
echo_blades
Even better. Yes.
01:26:02
Denis Tyrell
All right.
01:26:02
echo_blades
ah Did you do a Triple T?
01:26:05
Denis Tyrell
I did.
01:26:05
echo_blades
I don't watch them, so...
01:26:05
Denis Tyrell
i did. i did the actually thanks to our friend Brent, a bald man. He sent me a link to that um holder to do small knives.
01:26:20
Denis Tyrell
or knives that are very hard to hold in the typical WEN or Tormek holders. So they have a holder that will actually hold a knife by its handle.
01:26:32
Denis Tyrell
So you can, even if it's got a really narrow blade or um it's say a dagger or something that doesn't have a flat spot, um great holders. I was just demoing that in conjunction with the Perfect Blade sharpening attachment.
01:26:49
Denis Tyrell
So, one
01:26:49
echo_blades
Bro, I completely missed that.
01:26:51
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
01:26:51
echo_blades
Oh, I see it now. Gotcha. Gotcha.
01:26:54
Denis Tyrell
Yeah. So it's, it's a cool little, um little holder and they're not, you know, not crazy, crazy expensive. And if you do a lot of small knives that are hard to put into a holder, if you do that type of sharpening, yeah, go check that out and, and, you know, consider buying one because it'll, it'll, uh,
01:27:17
Denis Tyrell
It'll help you out. Parker's been bugging me to sharpen this butterfly knife that he has. But it's one of those...
01:27:24
echo_blades
That's the one I see there.
01:27:25
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, it's got like a dual bevel and it's really hard to to center in the holder. So now I can put it in this other holder and shut him up.
01:27:35
echo_blades
Very cool. Shut up, Parker. All right.
01:27:38
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
01:27:40
echo_blades
Well, yeah, this is an exceptionally long one out of nowhere.
01:27:44
Denis Tyrell
Oh, I got one more announcement.
01:27:46
echo_blades
Oh.
01:27:47
Denis Tyrell
As of today, when you guys are hearing this, no, should have a little American flag because I'll be an American citizen tomorrow morning, is which is Tuesday, ah is my um naturalization ceremony.
01:27:51
echo_blades
You're retired. Oh.
01:27:59
echo_blades
tomorrow.
01:28:09
echo_blades
Bro, if
Co-host's Citizenship Ceremony
01:28:10
echo_blades
you don't send me a video of you crying, it is not okay.
01:28:13
Denis Tyrell
Crying.
01:28:16
Denis Tyrell
Apparently the whole ceremony is like four and a half minutes, so I don't think there's even goingnna be time to cry, but
01:28:22
echo_blades
Bro, just work something up.
01:28:23
Denis Tyrell
it
01:28:24
echo_blades
Come on.
01:28:24
Denis Tyrell
ah I'll bring some onions.
01:28:26
echo_blades
Something. should just have some pride. just god America. Well, congratulations, sir.
01:28:32
Denis Tyrell
I'll bring a gun.
01:28:34
echo_blades
Yeah. I will send ice over to your house tonight. get you out of here. Okay.
01:28:41
Denis Tyrell
all right. That's all.
01:28:44
echo_blades
Let's go.
01:28:45
Denis Tyrell
Talk to you later.
01:28:47
echo_blades
Later, man. You won't be here next week, so fuck off.
01:28:52
Denis Tyrell
I will not. i
01:28:53
echo_blades
Come on. and e
01:28:53
Denis Tyrell
i am stiffing guys with Jared.
01:28:58
echo_blades
You can't say stiffing. That's
01:29:00
Denis Tyrell
I can say stiff.
01:29:04
Denis Tyrell
I'm giving you all a stiffy.
01:29:04
echo_blades
a wrap.
01:29:14
echo_blades
That's a wrap. that's ah rap
01:29:18
Denis Tyrell
You're an ass.