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Speaker: Hey, my name is Kate Saab. I'm Sam Lane. And this is the Popularity Contest. a podcast about trends. If you're listening to this, I'm going to paint a picture for you. yes We're both neon themed today. Kate has neon tipped hair. And a yellow shirt. And yellow shirt. I put on my finest right green supreme snapback for the occasion.
Speaker: And I look beautiful. You do. I think it really brings out the um green flecks in your eyes. Do you have those? I have no green flecks in my eyes. I look like a stupid toddler. Like a toddler being um sunsafe. You put ah an obnoxiously large hat on them. yet The hats just don't fit my head. I feel like I look like a child in all of them.
Speaker: That's okay. It's, you know, I feel like you're making up for it since you had to shave off the blue. You got a fresh buzz. Yes. No more blue. No blue. My hair was blue last time. i got headshots taken.
Speaker: More to come on that later. And I had to get my, yeah, I had to get the, was like, I gotta get the blue off. This is going to be something that lives beyond whatever hair color I choose. And I had to get hair and makeup done. And it was very funny because... I rode my bike and so I thought I gave enough time to like de-sweat but I'm a sweaty person. It happens when you're on the SSRI's anti-anxiety. It doesn't? Is that a thing? A side effect is being really fucking sweaty. was sweaty before that. I'm going to say it. I've always been sweaty. No, me too. But now it's like extra.
Speaker: I have not noticed any yet because I was already quite sweaty. Right. So I rock up. I've got... i didn't realize this. I had like the helmet line on my on my forehead and like my brow was sweaty and they were mopping me up. Obviously, they didn't have to do hair on me because I buzz cut. But makeup, they were like, you're so sweaty. And I was like...
Speaker: That's kind of mean. and so what do you want me to They were really lovely, but they were like, oh, this helmet line. I was like, oh, yeah. So they just like put concealer and whatever on me. And i felt very Bonita. It was very beautiful. Did you pay attention to what products they were using? Was it like, ah did they use a TV paint stick? I have no idea. okay i have no idea. They used like the egg thing to dab on me. beauty blender? Yes, they did.
Speaker: But they yeah, they spent a lot of time cooling me down. More time was spent cooling me down than actually putting makeup on me, which I think says everything you need to know. And then we did various headshots. I mean, so you look very dewy.
Speaker: Yes, that's what exactly. It's actually a ah positive. Yeah. and they Very popular. And then i rode home on the bike and I really had to be careful not touch my face so the makeup didn't like come off on my white shirt and stuff.
Speaker: Oh. But yeah, took my took my makeup off when I got home. Felt very like I just got home from the a long day at the office. It is really nice to like give yourself a wet white bath. Yeah, right. Yeah. Maybe not that I don't think I could be bothered to wear makeup every day. Also, who needs to when you have a complexion like mine? Oh, me too. And I'm wearing male makeup, which is my beard. But I do. There was something very beautiful about cleansing myself with a wet wipe at the end of the day. I think, i mean, no matter if you're wearing makeup or not, right, it's very nice to just like you come home and it's like ah you're taking off the mask and you're coming into home.
Speaker: face and i feel like it you know that's part of is that part of your five to nine routine after your nine to five that you don't have i have i have have five to nine after my my i don't have a nine to five i have an 11 to two and then a frantic like productivity burst from six to eight p.m yep that's what i have uh yeah i felt really good i'm excited i mean more more on my headshot soon kate how have you been I have been good. It was my boyfriend's birthday over the weekend. Happy birthday. wo um And i had a lot of fun. I went to Fire Door, which is this fine dining restaurant in Surrey Hills. Modern Australian. Modern Australian. Which is a fake made up food genre. I hate people calling food modern Australian um because it's not real. It's just like steak with Asian fusion. Like that's not real. I mean, i guess that's what... This is no knock on the quality of the food.
Speaker: But it's fake. It's a fake genre. We don't like... Meat and two veg is not a thing. But I'm just saying, like, you know, it's ah it's a part of a cultural thing. and if What if cultural? This is a cultural podcast. All modern Australian venues should have pokies in them.
Speaker: Yeah, that's true. You should to Rockpool, whatever the fuck the Neil Perry restaurant is, you should be able to have a fucking slap while you're having a really nice steak. That would be more authentic. Your waiters are in TNs. Yeah, I feel like, but when you're at the slaps though, you can't, there's like, you're not allowed to have food.
Speaker: I mean, they go around with snacks. This is, you know, from my former days as a ah gaming attendant, bar supervisor, bar wench, literally ah the the way these people treat you. But yeah, you, you're not allowed to have like greasy food or anything like that's ridiculous. But at least fine dining establishments you could. i Yeah. That's utopian idea.
Speaker: That's what you're paying for. You're paying for that. I can't bloody take this What else has been happening at the minute? I mean, i guess it's part of the the conversation today. You know, we're at the mid-year point. Yesterday was the ah winter solstice. Winter solstice. So this is a mid-year check-in, this yeah episode. Yeah. We're going over some ins and outs we did at the start of the year Doing a mid-year check-in trend forecast. Yeah, trend report, see what's going on, you know. And to celebrate the occasion, we have, well, Kate's got her own mic this time. I was loading other one off, ah the renowned folk artist Sarah Levins. That you have a no i work relationships with. So I will give that back to you, Sarah. But we also have these beautiful mic socks right now. So I'm feeling very ready to pontificate. Exactly. And I feel like, you know, i can be extra plosive in this episode. old, pfft.
Speaker: Because, because, sorry, that was probably really annoying, because the sock is sort of protecting everything. And I feel like I'm back at FBI with, you know, with the sock. With the sock. It's very grounding. It is. I put on my, like, close my face, the foam, and I feel at home. Yeah, I feel pretty connected with the grounding. Yeah.
Speaker: Via microphone. Okay. At the start of the year, um if you're watching, you can see a very small version of this because we're using my phone to record. Yeah. and So I've i've put it up on the screen. So I'm going to refer to this.
Speaker: We could insert picture here. Yeah, but how am I going to get the... I need to be able to reference it. It's on there. So I need to look at it somewhere. I can get my laptop out. No, don't bother. So, okay.
Speaker: bo it I have it on the screen here, ah if you're watching, because I need to refer to it. It's on my phone, but it's on here. Long story. Okay. I just want to start by saying I don't think my ins were that good. I like a lot of them, but I don't think they were grounded in, like, 2026. Like, I see no reason why specifically this year I said, for example, that...
Speaker: being a bit druidic was in. I mean, we went to the Medieval Fair. We went to the Ren Fair and we are celebrating the solstice. But is this just a me thing or a... Is it like a general... Like this is all stuff that I'm doing more. um There's one in here which is doing it for the love of the game, which I think I've i think i've hit on. Yeah. Which is... We'll get into that slightly later. I think I've hit on doing it for the love of the game.
Speaker: That will be tied to our big in foreshadowing. Yeah. We're doing one big in and one big out yeah for the year. But looking back on mine, I mean... Grid posting is another one I said in. I've definitely done more of that this year. You've done a lot less.
Speaker: Well, I mean, I'm sort of trying to keep a lower profile on the socials. I'm building my personal brand. I really like the fact that my expertise in social media is helping you with yours. Where, you know, we were at the Marrickville Bolo. It's my TikTok creative director. Yeah, yeah. We were at the Marrickville Bolo the other week. um And we made some beautiful, beautiful TikToks. Yes, we did. Because I, i yeah, I just never did it. Like, i don't think i lack I don't think I lack the ideas or the panache. No. But I certainly don't have the technical skills, and I've had to surround myself with talented ah social media creative directors. So every time i I make Thank you. I've been doing a grid post or making a TikTok, I send it to my ah my my advisors of yeah which Kate is one, and I'm like, how am I going? So I think that's ah a big... And I do think that people are like...
Speaker: coming out of like the kind of nonchalant Instagram. and They are like, you know what? I'm posting. I'm posting a lot more. And I really like just single image posting. um i think that that's really fun. Live posting is great. I mean, I have the fashion blog. That's sort of a big thing. Go follow Gallerina underscore fits.
Speaker: yeah That's just like live throughout the day. And you're just po like, I like it yeah because it's like more permanent. I like stories and stuff, but I think there's a lack of permanence there. There's a very good piece of writing by it this guy, Ruby Justice. Shout out. Great follow on Instagram who basically did an analysis of like what an Instagram story like meant.
Speaker: Like he did a survey because it's like, for example, my space, like top rank friends. That was like a digital language you could understand and was pretty open. Whereas the dominant way, one of the dominant ways we signify like, I don't know, some form of interest is via story likes. Yeah. But it he polled everyone. It basically, can mean anything from like, I see, I've seen this to, I want to have sex with you. Yeah.
Speaker: And so he was like, this is so stupid and we can't understand what it is. So I've liked the going back to the grid because people can comment and it's real and it's out in the public. And I like, I've noticed this when you reply to comments is that you don't reply in the same thread. You will. That's because I'm doing it on my computer. I'm not in the app. I'm like, I'm trying my best, but I can't do it. No, it just feels very um call back to sort of like 2014 where, you know, all of your besties would comment and then you would like tag everyone in the caption and you would say like in your comment in reply and you would say thank you.
Speaker: Yeah, to keep that engagement rolling, baby. Yeah, yeah, Instead of like being able to reply to the thread directly. I really like that. I feel like that's sort of coming... I'm just computer trying. I thought it wasn't. Why did you take your hat off? Oh, I'm sorry. I'm putting my hat back on.
Speaker: but Speaking of, one my the the outs I had, they're so good that I think we've made it our big out. But one small out I'd like to say is calling people performative. And I have a quote here from RuPaul.
Speaker: We're born naked and the rest is drag. I think I kind of cooked on that out. Yeah. um People, I think, got angry enough at calling people performative because, not to get Baudrillard right now, but at what point is you simulating reading outside, like become you reading outside for real?
Speaker: Who cares? That's how Dua Lipa and her husband, which I forget his name, met. They were reading. Callum Not Callum Hudson-Odoi, the former Chelsea winger. No. Not him, but the other Don't know that Callum Turner? Turner. They met while reading outside. Classic white People were all like, he's performative. I don't know. And also, all the behaviors we said men were doing that were performative were just things that were traditionally feminine. So we were doing we came all the way back around to sexism, which I thought was not good. reverse misogyny we reverse misogyny I was like that's beautiful um yeah you were there when I was concocting a lot of these lists yeah yeah you think I've done okay like mid mid-year report on me
Speaker: Okay, mid-year report on Sam. Big things coming, huge. um And no, I think that i was really happy I'm always really happy to be a part of your creative process, especially with the ins and outs. It feels like you know it's something very special and I'm really honored to be a part of it. Thank you. I'll say that. ah you know That's for your ego. um and And that was not for my ego. ah um And no, I think that the performative part is really important because, you know, you come to something with a level of disinterestedness. And at what point then, because you're coming at it with a level of unbiasedness, so to speak. that you like become more invested because it's like a sort of a scientific pursuit where I guess, you know, extrapolating that to the performative reading where you're like, okay, my idea is that I want to like get hot bitches and like, you know, be seen as a ah person with social capital.
Speaker: And so you do the reading and then you realize if you're actually reading and and not just flipping through the pages, That you're like, oh, you know what? These guys are kind of right. That's that's the thing. At some point, it I mean, God, I mentioned this last time, but but the Baudrillard example where he's like, if you go and rob a bank, but in your whole time in your head, you're like, this is a bit. And you you get his team of actors, like like Nathan Fielder style. Like, at some point, it's still a bank robbery. yeah And you'll run into, like...
Speaker: the reality of it. You can't compete with that. So I'm like, I think people have run into that in real time. They're like, all these things people are saying you're doing to be performative. At some point you work out whether you like them or not. And in any case, you're trying new things and you're self-actualizing. Who cares? I think the the problem is obviously when you're like doing it just to post it on social media, right? I mean, but that's like, you know, coming back to Baudrillard as well, everything leads back to that fucking guy. fucking Maybe we should all just like be doing crack and then, you know, writing about stuff. Oh, no, it's my copy of Simulation and Simulacra. Whoa, if you're watching this, I'm holding it.
Speaker: And it has pencil stains on it because I have read this. Wow. And you've put notes in it? I have been noting because it's very difficult. It's really hard. It's really hard to do. But I think, um yeah, I'm pretty happy with the articling people performative. It feels like it's... bad okay epic Yeah, that's an annotation I did. No, that's great. It's about the epistemology of knowledge, I guess. Okay, let's let's let's get down to brass tacks right now. um We're going to do one big in for the year and one big out yeah for the year.
Speaker: As like a mid-year, what we think what is basically we're pointing out some inflection points. We think we've seen something that's about to tip over. And we're going to talk about and you know, going, hopping back to the the the point of the entire show is we're seeing a rise in the bell curve of the popularity contest. trying to buy low and sell high. Yeah. This is the buying low.
Speaker: And we're trying to help you get in. We could be wrong, but we're trying. We're showing our working. And sound off in the comments below um if you what you think. If you agree. It's an open forum.
Speaker: Yeah. you know i believe in free um i love free speech. A lot of people would have a lot to say about that. Well, let's get into our in. Speaking of free speech. Yep.
Speaker: Number one free speech warrior, Donald Trump. Donald Trump. Had the UFC in the White House. This was not tacky at all. This was not tacky. It was everyone everyone enjoyed it.
Speaker: Right now, as we speak, a New Zealand just lost to Egypt in the World Cup. The World Cup is on. Yep. Okay. Heated rivalry was a smash out earlier this year. Earlier this year.
Speaker: And what we're saying is, as a follow on from a lot of new people getting into sport via like women's soccer and yeah generally inclusive things like that, even shows like Drive to Survive, I think we've reached a bigger point where sport as spectacle is now firmly in the public eye. It's attracting the most people. It's always been spectacle, but right now it feels like it's almost replaced reality TV. Yeah, I think it's also because people are like wanting to go outside and do things, right? And so it's pretty easy to go and it's a form of community building. I guess sort of referring back to last week's, like the last topic about dating apps and things that having in real life events. You know, the Swans host like co-hosted an event with I say this. The Swans Bumble event. Activation. I found this after we recorded and I was like, well, it's happening. Yeah. It's in real, it's theater at the theater. We're going to the theater. We're going to the theater. And I think it does help that, you know, there's like a lot of the the messaging, especially around like rugby league is that it's like do or die. And there's, the stakes are so high. They've never been higher. I'm like, babe, you get paid a million dollars to like run at people. And have a fat ass. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: Count me in. Count me in. I'm i'm invested. yeah i'm But there is there has been, I think, a big concerted effort from all sports across um the past few years to be to attract largely different audiences. F1 with Drive to Survive like really revolutionized their product. And it's something that's all very popular among women much more now. like It's a big, I know a lot of...
Speaker: Honestly, they've outstayed the men in terms of their interest in F1 after Drive to Survive. um Baseball has really tapped into the international market. it's now the second biggest sport in the U.S. overtaking basketball. Really? Yes. Which already has, and basketball's had the explosion in women's basketball with like Caitlin Clark and Paige Beckers and all these people. So, Knicks in five. Knicks in five. Behind us, we have a meme of Jalen Brunson. Anytime I watch Jalen Brunson play, all I can see is Elliot Smith knocking down threes. He looks like, ah they look like each other. Yeah. And yeah, Knicks in five. You have Mamdana Stan, this very left wing, very, the thing that's, you know, has this crowd that isn't the usual, the macho sports crowd, but they've all come together behind the Knicks and the world's come together behind the Knicks.
Speaker: And so I'm like, these these are audiences. feels like, The sports ball era where people would shun and look down their nose as as sport as like anti-intellectual or something. That's in the past. All these new audiences have come in.
Speaker: And now, for better or for worse, like on the good side, you have like heated rivalry. And on the bad side, you have literal UFC in the White House. Yeah. But I think, you know, in terms of it all being spectacle, like it's all sort of on the same level, right? It's just different degrees of ridiculousness. um Whereas, you know, UFC 250, it was during the World Cup, which is being hosted in the like the FIFA World Cup being hosted in the Americas, North America. And Trump was still like, how do I make this all about me?
Speaker: It's my birthday. It's flag day. i am going to host, like, I'm going to have these gladiators at my house because I want to see Du Bois play. um Look, we're literally going back to Roman bread and games. genuinely. feels like so. and We are in... the most Some of the most despotic like rulers, are like ah it feels like around the world, right-wing dictators, etc. But in general, late-stage capitalism, you know income inequality, worse than it's ever been. There is a bigger underclass than there's ever been. And bread and games are back. And bread is so yummy and games so much fun. But bread, hard to come by.
Speaker: Bread hard hard to come by. But games, games, absolutely. mean Don't think about your material conditions. No. Bread's so yummy, game's so good. Well, yeah, even if you can't like you know afford the bread, you can still go and sit in the pub for free and watch the game.
Speaker: and then And you can also make a lot of money by... Betting. betting And that's the other thing in terms of spectacle, the proliferation of betting markets in the U.S. oh actually like Five years behind Australia. where where where where the We're the NBA of pokies. yeah They're lagging behind. This is Mickey Mouse shit. But I find it so fascinating, like, um you know, just thinking about all of the money, especially that people would ah like the sponsorships would have paid to get their name at the UFC 250, like at the White House. But actually, if it, you know, because it's a privatized thing, right, they were able to do that. And, you know, Trump is only concerned about making money rather than, um you know, I feel like if it was in Australia, right, if that had happened here.
Speaker: for so so for whatever reason, if Albo decided that he wanted that, I think that there would be a a complete lack of sponsorship because, you know, it's like at this this public forum, but it's privatizing it in the same way. I mean, obviously, you know, America's only looking for the best way to get capital and everything. um and I found it also really interesting, the final fight, like the title card, Gaethi versus Teporio.
Speaker: Gaethi? Gaethi? Harry, please correct me in the comments. um Where they like did three rounds, but Ilya Teporio got punched in the face so hard, I think that he like fractured his ah his cheekbone, and then his eyes swelled up so he couldn't see anything. The doctor comes on, and he's like, nah mate, you can't fight anymore, like no, you're done. And he's like, Please, please, please, I want to fight. And then the doctor's like, well, okay, you really want to. And it's sort of just this like very blatant, you know, trying to get the most for the watchers and the most for the capital holders rather than caring about like the safety of these people. Obviously, you know, their job is to get punched and beaten up on or whatever, but like it took until they played, they did, but they played, they punched each other for five more minutes and And then Ilya Teporia's brother, who's in his corner. I only know all this because I listen to my boyfriend when he speaks to me. um and i Finally, someone listening to men.
Speaker: um His brother was like, yeah, look, bro, you you no more fighting. like The fight's over. And, you know, the fact that, like, Justin Gaethje, this, Gaethje, this, like, all-American sort of beloved guy um winning the UFC 250 against this, um like, Georgian, Spanish, like, micro. This is script writing at its finest. Well, yeah, I totally, I think that the whole thing is um is obviously rigged. I mean, it's same with the way that like are like State of Origin, you know, that like New South Wales won the first game and then we had Origin 2 last week about how, you you know, there's only, there's a way to like make it a decider. So like, you know, Queensland won. Oh, fuck the Maroons. But, you know, it's to justify the need to sell tickets for the final one. Yeah. We're not yeah i'm not saying we're not saying that one's rigged. There's certainly sports out there that could be seen to be rigged. Don't look up the australia guy who umpired the Australia game and what he was banned for refereeing in the Bundesliga. Hint, it was match-fixing. I'm fine for that. But we are saying that like basically the contention is...
Speaker: Sport now has kind of breached new frontiers in terms of audiences and is now not just the spectacle for men. It is now the spectacle for everyone. Yeah. And more explicitly being brought, I think being brought onto the White House, Lauren is saying the quiet part out loud. Of course, it was already very popular, but I am saying there was like several things that's happened in the past five or so years to get these new audiences. And now they're all ah also at the main event. Yeah. Like it feels like, I mean, you can speak to this. I'm going let a woman speak. Thank you. First time for everything. Yeah. Which I have a question, which is, you know, if you have friends who say only got into sport, um maybe via like the Matildas or like Women's World Cup or like a television series, something that isn't like the traditional, like, quote unquote, like, right way to get into sport. Yeah. Yeah. What has their experience been in terms of, you know, really getting into sport post that? Have they stuck around? If they have stuck around, why?
Speaker: I think, see, I don't necessarily think it's the case where it's people getting into it in that way. I think for a lot of, or maybe maybe it's because I am surrounded by this, but, you know, a lot of women that I know, like we all played, like we did actually all play sport growing up. And I guess because that hadn't really been considered in the first place where like women's sport in massive quotes is like this extra thing. It's not real sport.
Speaker: For, you know, just for... i wonder like When I was nodding, I was agreeing with Kate's take. I wasn't agreeing with that women's squad. Well, don't tell the people that are listening. Oh, sorry. People who are listening, um I'm going to let a woman speak. Yeah. um And so, like, it's not just... it's ah It was not seen as, like, a a classical... oh a yeah, just a ah a real thing, quotes, that women or young girls are into... Whereas for me, you know, like, but even for, for lots of girls, you know, we're told to like, we play netball, we do dance, we do whatever. There is this like athleticism that comes with it anyway, because it's sort of framed in this more feminine way. It's not really seen as legitimate where, you know, if you're into rugby or you play soccer or whatever, then those have more sort of capital in the conversation And so I guess it's more of a shift from the nicher, quote, sports that are, you know, marketed towards um women now, like...
Speaker: translating that to the bigger conversation there's different ways to to be a fan there's no one right way and so i think that you know the fact that we even have you know big mixed netball teams and that's sort of ah a really large thing as you get older it's probably sort of a unlearning of like gender divide and stereotypes where like you can just go and play sport with other people and You know, there's also the the whole conversation around like trans people in sport, which is sort of beyond the scope of this conversation. But I guess it is important as well to to make sure that, you know, where we're all aware of that, like just everybody plays sport all the time anyway. And it is a really fun leisure activity and it's a way to switch off your brain and you're just focusing on the one thing. And so watching sport and like being in a room with people like rooting for something, it really just does sort of build community. I i think that part of our ins as well is like, you know, coming post COVID, like back to community, like going out and doing stuff. Yeah, it it links in, I think, with the the, like, there is a reason that dating apps are partnering with sport and stuff like this, like the swans like the but Swans Bumble activation, for example.
Speaker: Yeah, like, it's it's a fantastic, people realizing sport is some of the greatest theater ever. And so that's, like, it's just a great place to meet people and, like, enjoy and like enjoy the the kind of rollercoaster of emotions that can be brought along with it. And yeah, I just think you're seeing all the seeds that have been kind of sown of like different audiences, even like, i mean, heated rivalries piece of media has drawn like many more women to go to the hockey because they're like, yeah who's, which one are you ah having gay sex? I saw it. But that isn't real. Like that's not, unfortunately that's not happening as much you may think. And hockey guys aren't chuds, unfortunately. Yeah. I mean, it's the same way with like, you know, football players being charged where it's just a lot of CTE going around, not because they're bigots or anything, just because they've just suffered like so Also, you had Ted Lasso I should also mention as well. yeah. That's a, you know, through the power of friendship, we can do this. I had another point as well, I think. Oh, well, see, the thing is, though, too, I understand then, like, maybe for people who didn't actually grow up, like, in a big sporting family or, like, a sporting community, I feel like it is kind of really encouraged, especially in, like, ah so for Australian youth.
Speaker: Shout out to Milo. Um, but now because of heated rivalry and because of all that stuff and the Matildas, you know, like that, you know, men can play sport too. Yeah. And so actually what I'm seeing is like, oh, if you're attracted to men, go just watch, you know, 90 minutes of these people getting really sweaty. They're so muscular. And they're just like, it's incredibly homoerotic. And so it's like, why? Okay, good thing that Pornhub's been banned in Australia. Like, who fucking cares? Just go to the pub. I'm on the hill at Leichhardt Oval with my binoculars. Just go to the pub and goon with the girls looking at the sports screen. Like, I think it's fine. Yeah, we play Smash or Pass every single time. Oh, yeah. They're like, bring the spot list. Only with men's sport, I should add. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We only objectify them. only objectify the men. But I found it quite beautiful. But I think now, I think people are realizing the spectacle. And I think there are worries with, like, the UFC 250. Like, there are macabre aspects to this. Most institutional sport, like the World Cup in particular, just is on a hot streak of going to the worst countries in the world. Yeah. You know, you've got your Katars, your Russias. South Africa. Well, let's not bring South Africa into this. That country has no problems. Yeah.
Speaker: It's a beautiful place. Have you been to Cape Town? I'm not going to it. I can't do this. I'm not going to do myself. But yeah, I think it's like it it it has now, I think, firmly worked out how to not just be like lads, lads, lads. Like I'm just saying so much more. So that's our inflection point. Do you think that the hydration break added in? Fuck the hydration break. I think that it's a skill issue.
Speaker: um Where, you know, if you're playing other ball sports. It's a purely for ads. No, literally. It is. And and it's in in America. This in the World Cup. The World Cup. It's not that hot. No, it's not that hot. People aren't getting that sweaty. It's just for a lot of the other countries come from, you know, places that ah have a really hot, dry climate. So, of course, you would need to do it there. But this is in the Americas where you bitches just need to sell more ads and make more money. And also, I remembered that at the UFC 250, they were sponsored by dick pills.
Speaker: That's beautiful. Yeah. It's also remiss of me to mention the Strava boom in endurance sports like running and cycling. i'm I'm a cyclist so I know a lot about that stuff but running in particular is something that's been like the popularity of run clubs as place to make community. Like again... it doesn't matter if you're being performative about this all these people and like very like much more gender diverse that people getting out and running and enjoying running and doing marathons and there are problematic aspects to this which we'll get into in terms of like the hustle culture of it all but again it's it's not really seen as a gendered thing like it's it's we've begun that you know trend now where it's moving beyond that and you can be into running and want to like watch a marathon and do all these things and get into like triathlon or whatever sorry people watch marathons
Speaker: Yeah. I mean, people watch bike races. People watch marathons. That's true. that's It's such a thing. Like when Elliot Kipchoge went, oh, was it? No, Elliot Kipchoge. Don't look at me. well Look, there was the guy who broke the sub, I want to say two-hour marathon this year. Oh, yeah. Like that was a big cultural moment. And there are all these cultural moments where it's basically being like, look, it doesn't have to be Chad. It doesn't have to be just in America. it doesn't have to be just in England or whatever.
Speaker: um Yeah. And the seats have been sewn. And now UFC is literally on the White House lawn. Yeah, I think also to this sort of like, um you know, doing Strava, going to play community sport, whatever. I think it's because people have realized that hobbies, like being on your phone and like scrolling isn't a hobby and it's not a thing to do. It's more so just like a yeah, it's like a a final a time driving. I remember for so of football, soccer, my 11th side, like it was booming for everyone. There were so many more teams and so many more leagues. um Even though Football Australia is like losing money because it's like a yeah comically bad run organization. it is like people are showing up for these People like my sister, though, are, you know, keeping it alive single handedly. Guys, shout out to the UTS FC. You should totally go and watch their games. Gemma's footballer. Yeah, Gemma's a footballer. Striker?
Speaker: Yeah. I knew that. I knew that. I'm very good at this. yeah She is gives very striking energy. she sent me ah a clip of her scoring a goal, like the first goal at one of her games a couple weeks ago. And she's always like, fuck, everyone else's games get rained out except for mine. I'm like, well... It's because you're good in playing all the syntho pitches, probably. I mean, Gemma's a good example of this. Like, Gemma, mean I mean, was... I mean, this is rude of me. was surprised she played soccer because she doesn't... Like, she's not the... Again, it's the fan mall's been broken open. She is like...
Speaker: I mean, girly girl, I would say, right? But then too, part of my... Am I being misogynist right now? Well, kind of because... Well, no, I'm just saying like my point earlier about like, you know, the more traditionally like feminine sports where, you know, we were held at gunpoint by my parents. I'm kidding. Nicole, this isn't about you.
Speaker: mom yeah get into sport and do whatever i think um the the fact that you can't like you know people are multifaceted and you can't just like pinpoint them into like one category it's like yeah yeah i'm a yeah i'm a white boy yeah listen to geese we exist stop laughing at me the the point basically yeah there's more than one way to bondi as uh my math teacher would say beautiful So I think that's our that's our big in. Sport is the center stage replacing your love islands and things of that nature. Yeah. And I think that i mean if we wanted to bring in some theory, obviously we've spoken about Baudrillard, but like Roland Barthes and his ephemeral text about play and what that means for people where you know you're just... um I think that a lot of the time with sport, it's really funny that people to me anyway that people get so worked up about it is mostly just because like at the end of the day, it's a game.
Speaker: And it's just a little bit of fun. to me. I've put a big multi on all the games. Oh, all of them. Yeah. I just have a continuous multi running. And if it fails, I'm going to lose everything. It's like the movie with the bus and you can't slow down. Otherwise, it'll blow that called Speed? Yeah. It's me, but with a multi that goes on forever. And I have to keep hitting.
Speaker: I mean, it's a to... But it might be. It's a game. It is a game. It is a game. i have never met before. um It is a game. I've never bet money before, but I am in like a free family to be competition. um And, you know, it's not looking good. It's not looking good for me at the minute. I will say that. But I i do enjoy going in every week and it's like ah a thing to talk about with people. Yes. this is Like the weather. Like let's not, you know, not being pretentious about it. Like it it is a monocultural thing that people yearn for to bring us all together. So that's our in.
Speaker: Anything you want to say on the in? um I guess it kind of ties in with the out with yeah the Strava note. but let's so ah out Let's reveal the out. The out is we think the age of biohacking and self-optimization is about to turn. It's about to turn. ah the The inflection point, I believe, was reached when a few weeks ago the Diary of a CEO podcast guy, Stephen Bartlett,
Speaker: was talking on his podcast, Diary's CEO, about how he had one glass of wine ah few years ago and it completely ruined him. Oh, it was a few years ago? Yeah, he had a bad sleep score on his whoop.
Speaker: oh and he And get this, Kate, he podcasted worse the next day. People turned on him for this. This is interesting. This is the guy who is the patron saint of self-optimizing, biohacking, you know Andrew Huberman, Huell, all that sort of stuff. And people hated... like It was like you can't he couldn't...
Speaker: his it was It was almost like, okay, so like clearly your life's a bit of a house of cards if one glass of wine can send you. And it wasn't even... key he's like he he quit drinking for the health reasons. This isn't a knock on on being sober, but it was like one card was pulled out of his life and he felt like he physically wasn't able to cope. Yeah. That's a lack of resilience. I think people were like, I'm actually like a bit sick of all that. We think it's, I think it's about a turn. The enhanced games, this was the second thing, flopped.
Speaker: Yeah. People did not perform as well. And the, yeah, the people that won, actually, Shock Horror didn't even juice. They were clean half of them. Only one world record was broken. Yeah. Brian Johnson, the biohacking guy who like measures his boners and shit. Yeah.
Speaker: He was sitting there and like with a dumb umbrella because he doesn't let any UV touch him to you know remain make his skin. I'm thinking, like how does he get his vitamin D? Does he take pills? I think he does. Probably. um And he's sitting looking like an idiot. No world records are being broken. None of the juicing works. I mean, there's all the talk right now about the peptide stacks and all that stuff, but it feels like we are clutching at straws now. We've reached the last of the publicly available biohacking stuff, and it's just like...
Speaker: the the The outrage against Stephen Bartlett and the flop of the advanced games, it's just like that. We're running out of ways to spin it. We're running out of ways to spin self-optimization. I think there's part of it that will be remain, but I think the gold in them hills has stopped. there's no There's less gold in them hills now for the grift. And I think, like, okay, so now bringing back the point about the Strava and that sort of stuff, it's the, you know, the the five to nine after the nine to five, which is, you know, we we touched on all the way at the beginning. See, people, that's called foreshadowing. That's really fantastic storytelling. i don't know if you're familiar with that. Wait, this is like, we should do a Pulp Fiction-style podcast where we, like, chop it up and start at the end.
Speaker: Whoa. And do some insane editing. Now, that would be incredible. That's advanced storytelling. People would... fuck with that people go oh wait that would be so crazy sorry you were saying about Strava well just that like you know people i think due to sort of a frustration with um this the structure of working and you're just like oh well I've got to fit in all of these things to have the best life anyway so I need to see my friends I need to be active and you know have a hobby and like better myself and whatever whatever I think that it sort of comes at a point where you realize, like, I actually can't do all of these things.
Speaker: um And optimization, it is ultimately to your own detriment, no matter how much you do it. I think it does come in forms of, like, for some people anyway, they have optimization OCD, where just, like, everything has to be done, like, has to be the the best way possible. Yeah. kind like And and i think that was – that is literally Stephen Bartlett. One glass of wine sent him – and, like – I think that it could could be worse than your health, that you're living in this you know perpetual state of stress where you have to keep... like I wonder with all all this sort of stuff, like it would be so stressful to worry about that because, I mean, health, as my while as a lot of it is obviously scientific, there is like a social aspect to health that like you know community and like we are social creatures. And there is some... like i'm not got i I'm not the guy to quote about the science, but there is at least like some...
Speaker: correlation with like being social and and like living life and having health and being, you know, and and all these like biohackers and stuff. It feels like it's very isolated. They're all very ah Jordan Peterson is like deathly ill. And he was like, you know, make your bed, optimize, you know, clean your room. But then he got addicted to benzos and on his carnivore diet. And he's like deathly ill. What's going on? Is he in a coma?
Speaker: I don't know. He might be. Schroding is Peterson. Yeah. He may or may not, but his words live on. He doesn't have to awake. Yeah, that's true. That's true. Do you want to... Yep. ah I'm Jordan Peterson. it' That's right. Just make Kermit the Frog. Yeah. You just do Kermit the Frog. That's Jordan Peterson. Hello. No.
Speaker: Well, it's... You need to clean your room. And sometimes when I eat my whole meat diet, I don't poop. I don't poop for weeks, but that's so really normal.
Speaker: It's okay because then your body can just reabsorb all the nutrients. That's beautiful. Thank you, Jordan. Yeah. But all these, I mean, all these, the grift has kind of come to, we think the grift has come to an end because all these things, I had a couple things in the in my 2026 ins and outs that I realized were all linked, which was um meal prep, um being offline, I'll explain this, and self-help books.
Speaker: And the thing I realized tied them all together was people basically trying to cash in time. They're trying to do these things to save time. But the question that begs the question to what end, because all those things, I think there's a lot of the reason people are actually doing them is for ah a logic of like capital. We're trying to get tight. It's not that they're trying to like get a dumb phone so they can like frolic in the sun. They're getting a dumb phone often. So they can like work on their business harder sort of thing or or just generally optimize and be more productive. And same with the meal prep. You're like, okay, I will prep all my meals now. So later I don't have to. And it's not that these none of these hobbies have a place, but it's, I think, very often for people coming from this place of trying to reclaim time, which they can then use for capital. It's your five to nine after your nine to five. Yeah. Yeah. And sort of like figuring out the best way to optimize your time ah in in in all respects of the your life and the word. I think um Gio Tolentino had some stuff to say about this in Trick Mirror about optimization. Trick Mirror being a book? Trick Mirror being her first book of essays, fantastic work. Can't exactly remember what she has to say at the minute, but I think it's along the same lines of what we're talking about where the only thing that you're optimizing is your ability to produce capital rather than just like live your life and do things. um And I think that if you're you're in this sort of like always be producing mindset that like you have to be working towards something, then... you missing in the forest for the trees, i really. completely agree. Like, yeah, I don't think any of these habits are bad.
Speaker: But, like, i i know people who are into, like, for example, long distance running and cycling and things like that who have, like, turned off Strava because they find the comparison. Yeah. Like, they find it very difficult and have realized, like, well, I started this because I wanted to go outside and feel the sun on my face rather than I got into it. Like, like they have these intrinsic motivators that they like, but...
Speaker: they realize like you can very easily fall into this logic of like, I'm optimizing, I'm better, I'm this. And then also the fact of like having the apps and tracking all this data, you're just sort of like, it's another performance in and of itself, right? Where you are showing people that you are doing this thing.
Speaker: Rather than just doing it anyway. And it's not real unless, I mean, it comes from sort of in our generation anyway, like growing up with social media and like, endless yeah, having everything to be online where you're surveilling yourself. um Everything comes back to Foucault. The panopticon. Yeah, I'm wearing the Panopticon on my wrist. I got the Panopticon drip, which is my Garmin smartwatch. But I don't know. I am like the one person where like sleep tracking. I know, for example, my dad, David, you're probably listening to this. Shout out. Really got and get in his head about his sleep score.
Speaker: Right. And he really and he got like sleep testing and things like that. And like that can make your sleep worse because you're worrying about the optimization rather than living the moment. i'm the I'm like very rare because I'm just very bad at knowing how long I slept for. And so the sleep tracking for me, i would always be like, oh my God, bro, I did not sleep at all. But I look at it I'd be like, oh, got like pretty good amount of sleep. I'll be okay. But that's, I mean, that's rare. And I'm, I, if I feel myself slipping into the the optimization yeah stuff, like I don't need the body battery, whatever thing that Garmin gives me. I can just listen to my body. I know it when I'm like tired enough to not go and like exercise. Because it's the same thing, too, about all this optimization bullshit. It's like you're not actually an athlete.
Speaker: Or, like, you're not. It's, like, you need Yeah, unfortunately. Like, they're so much better than us. They're so out of things. Like, like I'm sorry. Like, especially because I, like, cycling's an interesting one where it's so measurable. there's so much data. Like, popular segments that I do, like, riding around the park. Like, there's, like, the best time on that. it's, like, pros. And they're, like, double the speed of me. It's so insane. But also, like, it's their... their job yeah and they're like genetically like not to not to be phrenologist right now but there is like genetic superiority going on yeah some people just have better hand-eye coordination than me and that's okay i can't be the best at everything yeah i think um i mean saying that is much like it's much easier said than done whereas i think you're coming like for me anyways a self-proclaimed like perfectionist and people pleaser you're just like No, I like if I'm not the best at something immediately when I do it, then I'm just going to stop. And so maybe for, um you know, guys like Brian Johnson, I mean, they just have the money anyway. And they would rather they're like they don't know what to spend it on. So they just spend it on themselves and living for the longest amount of time. I did see, though, actually, Brian Johnson, his um fiance, who's Australian, shout out. And she has endometriosis.
Speaker: Bad. Crowd boos. Yeah, crowd boos. She's Australian. Crowd cheers. She's endometriosis. Crowd boos. Just, I mean, that's for her insanity, the booing for endometriosis. But he's, like, actually funding research now. Yeah, his tweets about her are very interesting. Oh, my God, yeah. But, like, the fact that, you know, is it that he's sort of gained perspective? Yeah.
Speaker: because like, you know, he can see that she's, you know, she is a objectively attractive person, but like suffers from this chronic illness. And so that's sort of like, you know, it kind of comes from the same sort of like feminist um conversation where like, oh, but you know, like I care about my, you know, you care about your mom and as a man, you like care about your mom and your sister. Why don't you care about other women? And so like when it it's directly affected him now that he's like, oh, fuck. It wakes of that to me. yeah Because I think he like left his last wife when he like got into the super optimization. Yeah. I mean, he left the Mormon church. Oh, did he? Yeah. There you go. yeah That makes a lot of sense, actually. Oh, totally. but yeah I mean, the interesting thing with him is... like ah like He's doing all this to what to what end? like He wants to like theoretically live forever, but... like
Speaker: I guess I just don't understand. Like a lot of this stuff is it's not going to lead to a life well lived. It's I mean, it's like it it's like this is a dumb analogy in a video game. Yeah. Where you constantly like save your best consumables for like the next big boss fight. And then you get to the end of the game and you haven't used yeah all of them and you've just suffered for for nothing. And you realize, damn, I should have used all that. It's like, you know, does does your family have like fine china? They only bust out for like, quote unquote, nice meals, but they end up never using it. cause Not anymore. we Because we used to do that. Now yeah we were like, well, wait why are we using this? Well, it's the same way, you know, if you like buy something nice for yourself or, you know, in any, you have like a whatever, your things are meant to be used. And I think that it sort of takes away the, I mean, I'm just not a metaphysicist anyway, um because I think it's stupid because like attributing sort of,
Speaker: um like things have value i understand that but like an object has a use um and it's no matter like if it's more function it's more form rather than function you should still use it um and if you're investing in something i guess maybe then that sort of circles back to like the optimization conversation right where like you're investing are you investing in yourself in your future by like taking care of yourself i guess so but it's to what end yeah I've just, I guess my thing is with all this stuff is like people bought into this because they thought they were going to get something back. They were gonna get time back.
Speaker: It's the similar promise with AI, but like these, it's it's all kind of a grift because it's never time back. that you know stephen bartlett has to like hang out with his family hang out with his family it's time he is back to work on his business and again like i think it's it is on in my opinion it's unhealthy that anything that rocks these self-optimization people's like strictly structured routine completely throws them out of whack I mean, part of resilience is is not not healthy for me. I mean, I wonder then also if it comes with some sort of like neurodivergence, right, where there's like a very strict routine that must be followed. um And it's it's very black and white in that respect. um So then is it more so just that these people like people are in the public eye that so happen to also be neurodiverse like um and what what does that mean it's just sort of like repackaging.
Speaker: um you know things that help people feel safe and have structure in their life and yeah and things like that i i also like to i've got a couple of sports anecdotes to link the r2 ins and outs oh wow fantastic i'm doing i know very good oh you're doing some storytelling it's very interesting that i've this year i've come across like three little anecdotes from the world of sport that kind of prove that you can transcend the data and like what you know you you don't have to op be like that this optimization like has its limit and sometimes it's just about whether you got the dog in you which is like obviously it's unscientific but it works so the orlando magic they they outperformed how people thought they would do in the finals because did they make the playoffs they made the playoffs oh um and i remember there was a thing where after they won a game like obviously they didn't make the finals but they I think they overperformed what people thought. And the coach, it came out that he sat them down.
Speaker: And this is like their star player is guy who's like suboptimal. He can't really shoot threes and things like that. Paolo Banqueiro. And he sat them all down the room and showed them their high school highlights and their college highlights to remind them who they were and that they could do it. And they were special and really talented. And it works. And I'm like, that's really interesting to me because it it, it, this heart and kind of stuff flies in the face of this optimization and this inherently this endless data driven search.
Speaker: And then if you allow me two more and then I'll get your reaction. Two ones from cycling. So, um, first Matthew Vanderpoel, who is one of the best cyclists in the world,
Speaker: um He, for example, isn't the best in terms of power, like his raw numbers in terms of his hour power and stuff like that. He's obviously still very good, but he's not the best in the world. And these are statistics that make sense to me. Yeah, well, he basically, the amount of power he's able to output on the bike in terms of watts, because that's what you, you know, my power pedals, that's what you do. So it's it's how fast he can go. His is isn't the best in the world, but what he is good at is backing up and doing it again and again and again. And that's very hard to quantify. But it makes him like one of the best cyclists in the world and able to beat other cyclists like Remco, Evan, Paul who like have the quote-unquote better numbers but just on the day they don't have the dog in them. yeah And then the final thing is the guy who currently holds holds like two incredible ultra cycling records, Locken Morton, who's from Port Macquarie. Shout out. australia Great guy. He doesn't look at the power on his bike. He holds the record for the Tour Divide, which is from Canada down to Mexico, and also the lap around Australia, which he beat, I think, probably 18 months ago by an insane amount of time.
Speaker: Because he like he doesn't look at these things. like He knows what it feels like because he's an el he like was an elite world tour cyclist. And I think all those examples say to me, and I mean, our boy Jalen Brunson, he was always told he was too small to this second round pick. could But he's a serial winner.
Speaker: And how can you quantify that? What do what do you what do you say to those sp sports anecdotes? I mean, I guess it goes to show that like resilience is the antithesis to optimization.
Speaker: oh Say it again. Say it again. Reload. Wheel up. Come on. Say it again. Resilience is the antithesis to optimization. Yes!
Speaker: um that That's it. That's the key. Put that on a t-shirt. Put that on a t-shirt. um And that one was off the dome. You can have that for free. That changed my life. just Wow. Wow, thank you so much. You should write a self-help book and become a part of the grift with bars like that. Yes.
Speaker: um I'm a writer at the end of the day. And yeah, no, I think that it it just goes to show, I think part of it is also, you know, like this resilience and everything. And it's interesting that he's like showing them the the coach showing the Orlando magic, the their highlights or whatever. is that a lot of it comes to like, you know, the inner child work that I think that a lot of people sort of think it's a bit woo woo or whatever, but really at the end of the day, like the amount of um like inherent pleasure and joy that you'll get out of something is if it is pleasing your inner child, because that's when you sort of develop all of your curiosity about the world and all of your hobbies and,
Speaker: you know, I think that like, we, we, part of our, you know, in our conversations, like with our friends is that, you know, what's your best day ever. And a lot of the time it's sort of this just like regression, but in a good way, or like a pleasing of the inner child where like, you're just going out and doing all of your favorite things. And I think that, you know, that's totally fine.
Speaker: um And your favorite things can be cycling or they can be kicking a ball around or whatever. I don't think that, you know, part of capital is that you need to be like the best and award winning at everything. um But really, like if you can just stick it out and you can have some fun, then I think that that's good. yeah I guess at the end of the day, i think what maybe we're learning as a collective culture, hopefully post-Steven Bartlett's red wine meltdown. Yeah, fuck that guy. it's like Sorry, Dad. it's like It's okay to do all these hobbies, but think about what you're getting what what you're saving time for.
Speaker: what are you What are you getting back? What are you getting back? are you doing it If you're doing it from a logic of productivity... Just be careful. Be careful and check in with yourself because I think it is a very slippery, slippery, swirly, swirly, swirly, into, you know, heavy comparison. If you're in fitness, it can lead to things like disordered eating and all this sorts of stuff. Just check in with yourself and make sure you're not optimizing the joy out of your life. Like, it is like, it is okay to, like, ride your road bike and then have a cigarette. Yeah.
Speaker: Those things might cancel each other out, but what what is the the optimization benefit? Can you quantify the joy of having a cigarette in a beer garden on a Friday night with your friends?
Speaker: No. how many how many how many ah How many watts per kilo is that worth? To use an example from House MD Season 3, this guy, he comes in he did everything right, he didn't even smoke, and he has this really rare form of lung cancer.
Speaker: It just happens. It just happens. Keith Richards is still alive. I don't know who that is. oh my The Rolling Stones guitarist. Oh. Who's done like a billion drugs. Lit. All he does is, woodre he was like a heroine and he's still alive and kicking. Yeah.
Speaker: Right? He did it for the love of the game. He did it for the love of the And that's it. Moral of the story and show. So that's our big out. Well, those that's been our big in and our big out. um I feel like we should recommend some, we're going to add a little new segment. um We're going to do some recommendations, some some further reading perhaps. Yeah. reading if you've if you've been interested. I mean, obviously, you know, the I feel like a pillar text of earlier in the conversation, Simulator and Simulation. Yep. they Get that one on there. Can i can you... Wait, I'm going to go grab this book. i'm putting It's on my bookshelf. I'm going to get up and get my book right now. Go for it. You can talk amongst yourselves.
Speaker: I thought that was ACOTAR for a second. No, it's not. Okay. So my recommendation about the self-optimization stuff, um this is, you can read also her. Okay. My recommendation is Saving Time by Jenny O'Dell.
Speaker: um This is the second book she wrote after How to Do Nothing, which was a, that's a great book about kind of like attention economy and stuff. But- Is that sort of like anti-artist way?
Speaker: ah Kind of. It's more just about like her. it's base It's basically her unpacking the attention economy. It's about like five years old. So it's a little. It was kind of early on the trend. This was her follow up.
Speaker: um And basically was kind of like, well, it was people asking, well, what do you do when you've like broken out of the attention economy? Because like, yeah, the attention economy is a bad thing. But basically, it's a history of time, which is very interesting. There are problems with this book. I don't think it's like necessarily as rigorous, but it does point out that the history of like timing and optimizing is a very capitalist and fraught one and isn't as objective as you might think.
Speaker: um And she explores like other ways of looking at time that might be more fruitful. like The first clocks that were like most mass produced and publicly available, like in factories to time the workers. Like work was not timed until the industrial revolution. And I think once you realize that, I mean, this is going to sound insane that time is a construct.
Speaker: You can begin to unpack it. You can begin to unpack it. like These aren't necessarily always objective realities. Great book. Jenny O'Dell. Cool person. Cool book. um That's my recommendation. I feel like um mine would be Gia Tolentino's collection of collections of essays. Trick Mirror. Trick Mirror.
Speaker: reflections on delusion or or something like that, self-delusion a digital age or whatever. um She goes through so many relevant topics, I think, especially for like people socialized as women, um about identity, um about like social media as well. She was on a reality TV show when she was young. And so sort of what that did for her to, but mostly like, you know, the psychological ramifications of that, um Also about like drugs and about marriage. And yeah just really, really interesting. I think, I mean, I want to be her when I grow up.
Speaker: You are grown up. Okay. I want to be her. Fuck. Sorry. um Okay. No. Hashtag adulting. Yeah, shit. um But I think my big takeaway from today's episode is just, you know, be nice to yourself.
Speaker: Yeah, after all that pontificating, whatever, guys, we just do whatever. That's my... Yeah. We hope you enjoyed I can't stop you, so just be nice to yourself. We hope you enjoyed our mid-season trend check-in.
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