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6: Passionately Catholic – with Anthony Digmann
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6: Passionately Catholic – with Anthony Digmann
Anthony Digmann is no stranger to passionately sharing his Catholic faith, it’s importance in his life, and most importantly his love for Jesus Christ in the Sacraments. He gives us a little taste of his story, his zeal, and contagious enthusiasm which will also be shared in his upcoming talks on the Eucharistic Revival.
The website and resources referenced can be found here:
https://dbqarch.org/archdiocesan-eucharistic-revival
https://www.eucharisticrevival.org/
Eucharistic miracles - Buenos Aires (1996)
Jesus and the Jewish Roots of the Eucharist: Unlocking the Secrets of the Last Supper by Brant Pitre (Doubleday)
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Transcript
Introduction to Podcast and Guests
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Welcome everyone to the DeBucharistic Revival podcast.
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My name is Father Jacob Rouse and I'm the pastor of Notre Dame Parish in Cresco, Iowa.
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And I am here with my brother in Christ and in the priesthood, Father Kevin Earlywine.
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Father Kevin, can you introduce yourself and where you are at?
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Hello, I am Father Kevin Earlywine, pastor of St.
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Patrick's Parish in Hampton, Iowa, and St.
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Mary's Parish in Ackley, Iowa.
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So happy to be here as always.
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As always, I was thinking what I was thinking this morning, what is the biggest audience or venue or preaching opportunity that you've had?
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I think mine would be maybe I think Xavier High School when the whole school was together.
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I don't know if that's maybe 500 people in a gym that I was preaching to for a mass.
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What is the biggest opportunity you've had to speak in front of a crowd?
Reaching Larger Audiences
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Yeah.
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Oh, I guess I was going to say Christmas Eve mass, but then I remembered I have done a mass at...
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Once I filled in at Columbus High School, so however many students are at Columbus High School in Waterloo, that's probably the biggest.
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I don't even know how big it is, 400 maybe?
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Oh, okay.
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We are joined by a very passionate Catholic, Mr. Anthony Digman is here with us this morning, and I'd like him to introduce himself, and then what's probably the biggest place that he has spoken at?
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Hello, fathers.
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Thanks for the opportunity to come join you.
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And thank you both for your ministry to our church and for this podcast during this three-year National Eucharistic Revival.
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It's awesome and great to join you guys.
Anthony Digman's Background and Journey
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So I am a Catholic author and speaker.
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I also teach theology at Beckman Catholic High School in Dyersville, Iowa.
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Been there 16 years now.
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I'm a native son of the Archdiocese of Dubuque.
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I have a father for a brother and a brother for a father.
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So my dad is now a religious brother and my only sibling is
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is Father Kyle Digman, who is also a priest, brother of yours from the Archdiocese of Beings.
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We're practically related.
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Basically.
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So the largest audience was probably at years ago, maybe 2017, at a Eucharistic Congress, annual Congress at the Diocese of Charlotte, North Carolina.
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And they had me down to do one of the main talks, but it was kind of a breakout.
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But the room was set up for 6,000
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Wow.
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Wow.
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But for that talk, there was about 600.
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Oh, OK.
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It felt very lean.
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But it was, yeah, great, great group of people.
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It's always great to learn and talk about the Eucharist.
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Absolutely.
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And notice how I said the largest physical audience, because we cannot count the media and electronic audience, because our guest has been featured on Catholic media such as EWTN, Catholic Digest and Radio Maria, as well as other various national Catholic radio stations, podcasts and blogs.
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And so we got kind of a star with us today.
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That's pretty cool.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And now the thousands, millions of people who may be listening to this very podcast episode.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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It's great to join you guys.
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Great to be with you.
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I got to tell you this, you know, the most views I've ever had on one of my YouTube channels is I think it's well over 17,000 now.
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But it's not me.
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It's a video I did of my brother's first masses, massive Thanksgiving.
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And
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incorporated portions of his ordination.
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So it's beautifully humbling how precious the work that you guys do is.
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So thank you again for your ministry, gentlemen.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Thanks for all you do as well.
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I love that.
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If you're in the game of counting views and likes, I feel you're just going to get disappointed.
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But when it's the Lord working through you and speaking through you, then it just takes off in a way that you
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you can't take ownership of.
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And I think that's what we're all about.
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So Mr. Digman, as your students, I'm sure at Beckman call you, can you share a little bit of your own faith journey?
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How did you get to be in the various positions and roles that you have?
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And then how has your Catholic faith either played into that or how you continue to grow in it throughout your life?
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Sure.
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So I was raised, dad was always a Catholic from rural Iowa guy, hardworking man, blue collar.
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And mom was Lutheran, but we were raised Catholic.
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So I got an appreciation for Lutheranism as well throughout that process.
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Mom has since become Catholic.
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And my parents are no longer together, which is why my father is able to become a missionary and is a brother in the church.
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profess religious.
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But for myself, my faith journey really got going.
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Probably senior year of high school was really the transitional year for me.
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I had attended Catholic K through sixth grade at Sacred Heart Elementary in Monticello, Iowa.
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And then throughout high school, I got a good education at Monticello High, but definitely missed out on the faith component with religious education classes that
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I was not motivated to learn more about my faith because I wasn't getting a grade in those classes.
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So it just lacked that for me.
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And I was pretty serious about being a student.
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So I took the sciences very seriously.
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I bought into the myth that science and religion are incompatible, which is something that I'm very passionate about teaching students, what a myth that is, what a misunderstanding that is and why here at Beckman.
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in Dyersville, but I attended a retreat senior year, and that was really an opening up of my heart.
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And as I look back on it, students asked me once, you know, you got confirmed junior year of high school, and I almost didn't, because I felt like it would be hypocritical to get confirmed, because I didn't really know if I believed what the church taught.
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You know, I was really wrestling with that.
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I ended up getting confirmed because I reasoned, well,
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If I decide not to be Catholic later in life, I'll just walk away.
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But if I want to be Catholic later in life and I don't get confirmed now, then I've got to go through a longer process.
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So I might as well just do it now with my friends and get it taken care of.
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So I did that.
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And a student asked me when I was about 30 years old.
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I'd been teaching for several years.
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I had a master's in theology from Loras College, good old Archdiocese of Dubuque Education.
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And he asked me, did your confirmation do anything for you?
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Did you notice anything different?
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Did it change you?
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And I was like, no, because I'm always honest with my students, right?
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And I said, no, I didn't really notice a change.
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But that answer I gave really bothered me.
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And I think I was mowing my lawn a day or two later.
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We had like an acre and a half at the time, so it took a little over an hour.
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And I had good thinking prayer time and it dawned on me for the first time.
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And this would have been 12 years or 13 years after my confirmation.
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It dawned on me that that was really the start.
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The end of my junior year getting confirmed, confirmed was really the beginning of God opening doors, pouring grace into my soul and me gradually opening those doors as, as God would knock, I would gradually open them and let him in deeper slowly and slowly.
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Until eventually this retreat, the fall of my senior year, God's love, God's presence really touched my heart in a way I'd never felt before.
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Because I'm a very intellectual person, and this was the first time my heart was kind of cracked open to God.
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And I came out of that retreat as a very naturally skeptical person, as I am.
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And I thought, you know what, maybe I just was feeling something weird and this was disillusioned.
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But at that point I had a fire and the Holy Spirit really entered my soul for the first time and started lighting me up with the graces of my confirmation that I think were probably unlocked because I went to...
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reconciliation at the retreat.
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And I had not gone to reconciliation that I can think of prior to my confirmation.
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I may have been in the state of serious sin.
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And then I think the graces of my confirmation may have been unlocked at that retreat.
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So the Holy Spirit really started to burn in my soul.
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And this was my issue.
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I needed to know what was true.
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I couldn't just believe something unless I knew it was real.
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And for me, that led into a study of, first of all, God, what evidence do we really have for God?
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Is this delusional?
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Do we just believe in God because we're afraid of death or because we're raised that way?
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What evidence do we really have for God?
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So I, I launched into what I call my truth quest of my senior year of high school and
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I thought that this would take a decade to study what evidence we have for God.
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And then if I'm convinced that God is real, then I was planning to study all the world's religions and to see which one's really real.
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Because I mean, I was born and raised in rural Iowa.
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You know, if I was born in India, I'd be a Hindu.
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If I was born in Iraq, I'd be a Muslim.
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You know, so what evidence do we really have for different world religions?
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And then I realized, well,
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Every world religion has so many different denominations and subsets that whichever one I find out might have truth, then I've still got a lot of work to do.
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Thanks be to God, I found my way back into Christianity and was so convinced by the evidence for the person of Jesus.
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Historically, sacred scripture, the evidence, the archaeological evidence.
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historical evidence, even psychological evidence for the New Testament, for the resurrection as a real historical event, supporting the person of Jesus Christ.
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That, okay, I can't deny Christianity.
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And now it's like, well, what kind of Christian should I be?
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I mean, there's over 7,000 independent Christian denominations, you know?
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And thanks be to God with the help of some amazing Catholic conversion stories of guys like Scott Hahn and Tim Staples and Steve Ray, you know, who were...
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Big, late 90s when I was going through this and I graduated high school in 2001, their stories were a big deal.
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And I got into those and they really helped me understand the difference between Catholicism and Protestantism.
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And thanks be to God, found my way back home to Rome's sweet home, if you will.
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It's got Hans' book, Catholicism.
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So then it became a matter of, okay, I went into college as a very committed, excited Catholic and have never turned back, gradually trying to discern, God, where are you calling me to serve you?
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Are you calling me to the priesthood?
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Spent a good amount of time discerning that, never took the opportunity to attend seminary.
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I think what was difficult in my discernment struggle was feeling called to serve the Lord, but just
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Being called to the married life, as I've been married 17 years now, have a wife and three kids, love those guys so much.
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They're so good in so many ways.
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The challenging ways and the
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you know, easy blessings, if you will, as well as the challenging blessings.
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But I think it was a difficult discernment for me because I felt called to serve the Lord very directly.
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But at the same time, I was wrestling with, you know, a call to married life, which I didn't fully understand till later that I was called to married life, but also to serve the Lord very directly, which I've been so blessed.
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to get into teaching.
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I started out as a DRE actually at Resurrection, Church of the Resurrection in Dubuque for two years and then got into the classroom and then really coming into writing and speaking came out of doing my master's
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in theology at Loris really got me started writing more seriously and then speaking was really taking what I do in the classroom into a broader audience.
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I would have parents come in for parent-teacher conferences and say, what are you learning or what are you teaching the students this semester?
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And I would talk about with senior theology apologetics and the evidence for what we believe, which is a huge passion of my life.
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That's a big part of my faith story.
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And they would oftentimes say, man, can I sit in on a class?
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Is there an opportunity that we could learn about this?
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And I thought, I really need to take this out and share this more with the church.
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I had done a few speaking things for a theology on tap or a small parish event or a confirmation retreat and stuff like that.
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But I started to take that more seriously around 2015, 2016, and then have since gotten a little bit bigger with that and done some more speaking as time goes on.
Faith, Family, and Profession
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So it's been great opportunities to be able to share the truths that God has shown me, to be able to share some of the ways I've wrestled with my faith and the things that I've discovered and how I fall in love with God and share that with others.
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So very blessed and very thankful for those opportunities.
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That's excellent.
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Your life is perforated with the sacraments.
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The story that you just told is, they're everywhere.
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And I think that's really a statement towards how the physical and the visible interacts with the invisible.
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Because second graders receiving their first communion, first reconciliation, confirmations, even the average congregant every Sunday, like, do they really know?
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Maybe, maybe not.
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But like the fact that we continue to open the door to the Lord, he works on us in ways that we don't even realize.
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And the same thing is true for priests, you know.
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So I think that's cool that also I like that you emphasize the falsehood that science and religion, faith and reason,
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can't go hand in hand, which they do.
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They interlock perfectly.
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And Aquinas will tell us that.
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And so will you, of course.
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Thank you.
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That's a really cool story.
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And we could do a whole podcast episode about faith and science, but that might get outside of our focus here.
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But there's a lot of fascinating stuff there.
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I liked also just about the sacraments, about how confirmation, even though it seemed like it didn't do anything at first, realizing that maybe it did.
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I often, this is going to be an interesting example, but I often, when I teach about the saccharins, my people, I often use the image of making chocolate milk because you have your glass of milk, right?
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Just like plain old boring white fallen human milk, right?
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And then you pour in the divinity that is chocolate, right?
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You can pour it in there, squirt in the syrup and there it is.
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And if I'm really prepared, I have like a visual of this because of course you pour in the chocolate and then it's there in the milk, but
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it's all kind of settled on the bottom, right?
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So it's objectively, it's there in the milk, but the white milk, you can ignore the chocolate and just pretend they'll keep living like plain old ordinary fallen white sinful milk, right?
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But then, of course, that chocolate, so it's there, but then sometimes you need something to stir it up, right?
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So that the chocolate
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the divinity can actually transform the milk to make that is divine chocolate milk.
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So that's a often an image I use with mostly I use it in baptism and talk about the response to the parents and godparents to help stir up that milk, uh, stir, stir up the chocolate.
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And that's objectively poured out in the milk.
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But I think it's very applicable to a variety of sacraments like confirmation.
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Objectively there's grace given there that's there.
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Uh, we may not perceive it at first, or it may not immediately be stirred up or transform us.
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But, uh,
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But it's there, right?
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And I think we would apply to the Eucharist as well.
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Well, Father Kevin, I just did some quick math here, and I think your theology checks out.
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So I'm going to steal that.
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I'm going to use that.
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That's awesome.
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There you go.
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Well, and it's not copyrighted, so you don't even need to credit me or anything.
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Well, great.
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Or charge royalties.
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I agree.
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That was brilliant.
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I can't wait to use that in the classroom.
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Please, please do.
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Yeah, the visual is very striking for people.
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Yeah.
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So but speaking of the the maybe so the Eucharist and maybe transitioning into some of the Eucharist.
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So just talking about your conversion of becoming convinced of Catholicism, what was maybe like a particularly... I know there's many... There's a whole variety of evidence that goes towards conversion process and convincing us about the faith.
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But maybe what was particularly, and because this is Eucharistic revival, particularly striking about Catholicism and maybe of convincing about the idea of the Eucharist.
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I mean, we believe this radical idea that
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that the bread and wine become not just a symbol, but truly present, the physical body, blood, soul, and divinity of Jesus Christ physically present to us, which is a pretty radical claim, right?
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And at first, people may think they look at it, they use their scientific evidence of their senses, right?
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You look at it, you listen to it, it looks like, smells like, he sounds like bread and wine, right?
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Because I used to always say, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, talks like a duck, it must be a duck, right?
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So the Eucharist looks like walks like talks like bread and wine.
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Right.
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So so someone who maybe is skeptical of that.
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So maybe I guess you can talk about maybe if there was something in that in your own journey, but then just in general, someone who maybe is skeptical
Understanding the Eucharist
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of that.
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What would you hold up as sort of something that is particularly powerful and persuasive about this idea of the Eucharist and what it really is?
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Yeah, that actually flows really nicely right out of the story because as a naturally skeptical person, somebody who really wants evidence and is really committed to seeking the truth, the Eucharist was one of the biggest struggles for me.
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Actually, I think probably the two biggest struggles for me around senior year of high school was the church's teaching on family planning related to contraception and natural family planning.
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Fertility awareness-based methods was a huge problem for me.
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I was absolutely convinced that the church was completely wrong.
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And when I teach students in moral theology class senior year, I tell them, I think that this is the most widely rejected teaching in the church.
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And that one took me years going throughout college to continue to wrestle with the evidence and
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Every time I had an opportunity to do a, maybe a small research paper for, you know, public, I went to the University of Northern Iowa as an undergrad.
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So anytime I had the opportunity to do a talk or something like that, I did it on that subject.
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I even did my master's thesis at Loris on the church's teaching on that.
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And the more I dug in,
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Yeah.
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I'm open to the possibility that this is real, that it looks like bread, it tastes like bread, it looks like wine, it tastes like wine.
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My senses tell me the other, and everything that I do in life is based on my sensual perception and trusting that.
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Can I really believe this?
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I'm willing to be open to that possibility, but I need more evidence because this just isn't working for me at all.
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And I had dated a Baptist girl my senior year of high school, which was also a very important
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part of that story and that retreat and me growing.
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So I learned a lot about Catholicism from the outside, and I was very interested in exploring other theological ideas.
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So I was not committed to believing the Eucharist right off the bat.
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I was open, but definitely not motivated to go, oh yeah, this is the faith of my youth, and I'm committed to this.
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And yes, I want to be a Catholic because I was raised Catholic.
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For me, it was definitely a truth issue.
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But the more and more that I
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wrestled with the topic of the Eucharist and dug in and studied and listened to perspectives and gave Catholics a fair opportunity to share, the more and more I was blown away, like the Church's teaching on contraception and family planning, blown away by the working of the Holy Spirit, the truth, you know, related to the Eucharist.
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And this is something that I share in the Eucharistic revival talks that I'm doing as part of the National Eucharistic Revival.
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is going over the evidence that we have, because for me, that's really, really important.
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So I spend time taking a look at the Old Testament, and I make the argument that, you know what, the Eucharist is not something that Jesus or the church just invented 2,000 years ago.
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The Eucharist is something that God has planned since the beginning in terms of making contact with us.
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There are so many Old Testament typologies, so many ways where he prepared us in the New Testament for the Eucharist.
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You've got the lamb is huge.
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The Passover lamb is one of the most pivotal that most people are aware of.
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You have the man in the desert is also a big one.
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But even something as subtle that most people don't even know about of the bread of the presence in the Holy of Holies, next to the Ark of the Covenant, right?
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So many of these elements, these typologies, set us up in the Old Testament to finally receive the fullness of what the Eucharist really is in the New Testament, right?
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And you can even look at details.
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Like, let me show you one detail from the Old Testament that really got to me.
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So Leviticus chapter 17,
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says that you shall not drink the blood of any creature because that its life is in its blood, right?
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So this is a big issue when you hit New Testament and Jesus in John chapter six, and that's something we also dive into in the Eucharistic revival.
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It's so important.
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John chapter six from the New Testament is looking at Jesus saying, you have to eat my flesh and drink my blood.
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Okay.
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Well, to his Jewish audience, that's, that's unthinkable.
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Leviticus 17 says you cannot drink the blood of any creature.
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It's life is in its blood.
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No way can you do that, right?
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And even as you look at Catholic dialogue with Protestant Christians, some of whom may have consubstantiation like Luther and say that, well, it's bread and wine and it's body and blood, or the sacramentarianism of Ulrich Zwingli.
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from Switzerland who would say, no, it's a pure symbol.
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There's no presence.
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It's purely a symbol of Jesus.
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Wrestling with these other ideas, you know, there's a strong objection, even based on Leviticus 17, that no, you can't drink the blood of anything.
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That's wrong.
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Scripture forbids that.
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Well, here's the twist, right?
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Jesus so often throws these twists at us, right?
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And
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The reason why we have to eat his flesh and drink his blood.
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Okay, that's not fair.
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I shouldn't say the reason.
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There's many reasons.
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But a reason why we have to eat his flesh and drink his blood is specifically because Leviticus 17 says that the life of every creature is in its blood.
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Because Jesus Christ wants to bring us to eternal life.
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He wants to fill us with divine grace, but not even just divine grace in the purely spiritual sense.
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Also in the physical sense.
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giving us his life through his blood in the blessed sacrament another reason why at first we go oh no we can't do that and then we go
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whoa, Jesus is really taking us to a whole deeper level, like not even one level down, like eight levels down.
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He's taking us to something so much more intimate of the heart and so much more intellectually mind-blowing and relationally that he wants to touch us on so much of a deeper level.
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And he wants to be interwoven into the being of who we are, not only in terms of spiritually or mentally, but physically as well.
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The Eucharist just touches on this...
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in ways that just blow me away.
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Okay, so giving talks on the Eucharistic revival, so much fun, right?
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To be able to dive deeper into this because, you know, just one talk, you know, there's several things you can cover, but being able to do two or three talks together in a series, you're able to go so much deeper.
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And I just love that.
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Another connection I like to make is with marriage because for many, at least adult Catholics, we're familiar with the idea of marriage.
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And taking a look at the connections between marriage and the Eucharist
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are also extremely powerful.
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And that's another biblical reference is throughout the Old Testament, one of the most powerful and most common ways that the prophets use to explain our relationship with God is a marriage.
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You know, Song of Songs is really, really strong with that, of course.
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And then in the New Testament, Jesus builds off of this and he starts talking about his relationship with the church, right, as a marriage.
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So as we enter into the Eucharist, the Eucharist has very strong marital parallels because you're the couple sharing themselves with each other emotionally, sharing their lives, their time, their minds, right?
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They're also sharing in a physical sense.
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And that's that deeper connection that husband and wife
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share in that sacrament, right?
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Well, Eucharist is doing that also with Jesus.
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It's not purely spiritual, or purely.
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It's not just.
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It's not merely spiritual, right?
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It's not merely an intellectual connection to God.
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It is also a physical connection with God, that God wants to bond with us.
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even more deeply than the bonding that husband and wife share throughout their lives and their physical intimacy.
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God wants that with us.
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It's a love story, right?
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It's a love story that transcends all of human history throughout God's plan and is ultimately pointing us to heavenly glory.
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where we're headed in the eternal marriage banquet, but also that bonding that we will share not only with God, it's not only a vertical relationship, vertical connection, it's also horizontal, that the Eucharist also builds and makes the church.
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It connects and binds all of us together.
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that when I receive communion at mass, I attend Father Kevin's mass or Father Jacob's mass, and I receive communion, and Father receives communion.
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Well, I'm bonded to Father through Christ.
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He's that glue.
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But it's not just you guys.
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We're bonded to the entire community.
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But wait a minute.
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God's also not bound by space.
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So every Catholic who receives communion around the world on that given Saturday night or Sunday, I'm being bonded to Jesus.
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You're being bonded to Jesus.
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We're being bonded to Jesus together.
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But that's not all.
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God's also not bound by time, which means when I receive communion and I'm bonded to Jesus, I'm also bonded to anyone who ever has or ever will receive communion.
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So the entire communion of saints, every whole communion of saints here on earth, those who are part of the body of Christ, those who are in purgatory, those who are in heaven, we are all connected through Jesus Christ with each other, forming that vertical and horizontal family of God, that communion of saints that we're ultimately headed to in our faith journey
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to heavenly glory so you guys oh my like this is the tip of the iceberg right on the depth of the eucharist right okay i'm gonna breathe now yeah well that's why we're doing eucharistic revival because it's so rich and beautiful and why we want to do this podcast is show people the the many rich facets of that so i'm gonna go say mass right now
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i think it's saturday um so we're bonded to even that even that person who sits in the pew uh three behind me that i don't really like that they voted differently from me i'm bonded to them too you know in a deeply intimate marital way wow yeah so just to summarize a little bit of some of the things and three things i like to talk about one and you touch on this is like
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I often talk about the spiritual life is like, it's a divine blood transfusion, right?
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Like we're getting God's life into us through blood transfusion or also sometimes a divine heart transplant, right?
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His heart being put into ours and how that's just like, it's a nice metaphor, but then there's also like a very real dimension to that.
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And then secondly, the two become one flesh, right?
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Like we're the bride of the lamb.
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And that's where I also can talk about when I talk to married couples in preparation for marriage, I mean,
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um, is how celibacy and marriage when lived in the Christian life, um, are not so much opposites as, um, complementary.
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Their facets reflect in their different facets of the same mystery.
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That is the divine love of God.
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You know, one sacramentalizes and makes very present and tangible to us, the sacrament of marriage, um, what the love of God is like.
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We can tangibly see, uh,
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experience that.
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And then the other sort of points to then what we're all ultimately made for.
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And then the last thing you said is how
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I often say, you know, how it's the blood of Jesus Christ that makes us brothers and sisters.
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You know, we're made children of God and thus brothers and sisters, not merely by adoption, but by flesh and blood.
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We become blood brothers and sisters, you know, that we're forged together.
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And like Father Jacob said, sometimes whether we like it or not, right?
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I mean, but that's exactly the call to love, right?
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Like I have to, sometimes people tell me, Father Kevin, I don't like to go to Mass.
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There's, you know, there's a bunch of sinners there, you know.
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uh which it's like well that's the point is you have to learn to love them too that's why we need that's why it can't just be like my own prayer at home that's why we need mass we need church and and for all of these things that we said and and also for that it pulls me out and calls me to love because it's really easy to it's really easy to love my neighbor if i never have to deal with them or see them right anyways but just so much there thank you and uh yeah
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Father Jacob, do you have anything you want to add to that?
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Yeah, for anyone listening, speaking directly to our audience, if you yourself are wrestling or doubting, or if you have a confirmandi, perhaps, living in your house that is wrestling or doubting, I just...
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I just think our guest here, Mr. Digman, is a pretty smart cookie, and he himself, through his journey, was doubting and wrestling.
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And I just take a lot of consolation and reflection from my namesake, Jacob.
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who in Genesis 32 actually wrestled with God or an angel and had his hip broken.
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So you can go check that passage out in Genesis 32.
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But I think the idea of wrestling, we see it with the apostles constantly.
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They're either doubting or little, they're ye of little faith, you know.
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If we're going to be in this thing and on mission and being sent out by Christ, it's okay to not have everything figured out.
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And that's part of the love affair that is Christianity and knowing Jesus Christ is that we're going to go forward in faith, even if we don't quite...
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um ascent or understand it all we're never going to understand it all there's the trinity itself is a mystery so is the eucharist in a way but um so to all those who who may be feel they're they're conflicted or doubting or wrestling that is okay and that is actually a welcome part of being a disciple and um i i just think that that's even more encouragement to seek others to seek um
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understanding and, uh, and prayer too.
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I mean, all this, I would imagine that, um, you, you talked about your, your intellectual adventures and your truth quest, but there had, you, you were, you were speaking directly to, to the Lord in this, and it has to be him illuminating your path and you, you truly trusting him to do that.
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So through others and through prayer, um, it's okay to wrestle.
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Amen.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah, and just to add to that wrestling, the end of John 6, when Jesus talks about, unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood, you will not have life within you, right?
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Many people weren't sure what to do with that, and the apostles even themselves were maybe a little baffled.
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Jesus said, are
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you going to leave too?
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They're like, well, maybe we don't fully understand or know what to do with this, but you have the words of everlasting life.
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Where else are we going to go?
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Yeah, where else are we going to go?
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Yeah.
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Speaking of places you can go, if you liked what you heard today, I think this episode is dropping on February 15th.
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So in like a week or so, Anthony Digman will actually be speaking in LaSalle, Pastorate, which is, where is LaSalle, Pastorate?
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That's north of Dyersville, includes the towns of, I always forget, Luxembourg, Holy Cross,
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Balltown, Rickardsville.
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That's Father Tyler.
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I think it's Father Tyler Raymond.
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Yeah, Father Tyler Raymond.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, we know him.
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These talks will be February 25th through the 27th.
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We're doing Sunday, Monday, Tuesday night.
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They're at 7 o'clock.
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All of the talks will be at St.
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Francis of Assisi in Balltown.
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It's part of the St.
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John the Baptist de La Salle pastorate up there.
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There you go.
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So that's a place you can go and hear more on if you liked what Anthony Diggman had to say today.
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You can go and hear more.
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And do you want to just tell us a little bit, kind of as we're closing out, Anthony, are there any other things you're doing for Eucharistic Revival or any other things that you have that you're working on or that you have coming up?
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Oh, sure.
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Thanks for asking.
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Actually, let me also share just some more resources.
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Sure.
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That'd be great.
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You know, one of the most powerful resources that I think I can credit fairly with keeping me Catholic when I was in that year, that pivotal transitional year of senior year in high school and then into college that has helped me so much.
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And I tell my students in apologetics class, I want you to memorize this website.
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And it's one of the toughest website names for a Catholic to memorize.
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It is Catholic.com.
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Very difficult to remember, right?
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But Catholic.com is Catholic Answers website.
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And they're out of San Diego, California.
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And I can't say that everything that they have is phenomenal, but many, many things that they have are phenomenal.
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really quite good some things really phenomenal but i think that they really excel at answering questions so you can just hop onto catholic.com you can type in a question in their search bar and they have radio shows they have videos they have magazine articles they have tracks readings things that you know you could spend just 20 minutes doing some decent research and they have done so much of the background research for you
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And then you just get to jump in at the end and benefit from all of the work that they have done in terms of, you know, what, why do we believe this about being Catholics and the Eucharist for sure, but anything, any, anything, you know, Mary, the saints, the Pope,
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reconciliation you know when somebody asks us do you really go into this this dark room alone with this guy and you tell him your deepest darkest secrets well yeah we do well why would you do that you know just giving an explanation for anything that we do as catholics highly recommend catholic.com specifically related to the eucharist uh gentlemen eucharistic miracles
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are so helpful for me as a naturally skeptical person yes and i think my favorite one is uh buenos aires do we have enough time that i could could yeah yeah go for it yeah um my favorite eucharistic miracle buenos aires argentina night there was a series of them 92 94 and 96 but my favorite is is the 1996 one so they're celebrating mass and somebody comes up and they tell the priest uh there's a host in the back of the church so it's father alejandro pezzette is the the pastor
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So he goes back, he collects the blessed sacrament, the host.
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He puts it in a glass of water.
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They put it in the tabernacle.
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He goes back to check on it later.
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The host should dissolve away.
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And once it's completely dissolved and there's no more visible presence or physical presence of breadness, if you will, then there's no longer the sacramental presence of Jesus.
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So he goes and he checks on it and the host has started to turn to flesh and has started to bleed, or at least that's what it looks like.
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This might come as a shocker, but the Catholic Church doesn't typically move very quickly on certain things, okay?
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And we certainly wouldn't want to say, oh, we got a miracle here, and then have it disproven later, and then, I mean, that looks bad, that hurts people's faith, that would be a problem.
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So he, Father Alejandro Pezet, informed
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His bishop, his archbishop in Buenos Aires, who ends up becoming Pope Francis, which is a lot of fun for the connection there.
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And they sit on it for a little while.
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They have it professionally photographed for a time.
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Eventually, they bring in Dr.
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Oh, golly, I can't remember his name.
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Oh, Dr. Professor Kastanon Gomez.
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They bring him in to do an investigation, and they take a sample of this blessed sacrament.
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And Dr. Gomez takes this to forensic labs all around the world over the course of several years.
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So he goes to San Francisco in 2000.
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He ends up going to Sydney, Australia in 2002.
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But my favorite is in 2004, he went to Columbia University in New York.
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And he takes this to Dr. Zagube, who had done analysis on the Shroud of Turin.
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And what they determined at all these forensic labs is that it is bleeding, that this is human tissue.
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It is type AB blood, which matches, as far as I'm aware, not only the Shroud of Turin, but every Eucharistic miracle that's ever had scientific analysis done comes from this type AB blood.
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As far as I'm aware, I could be wrong on that.
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But Dr. Zagube finds not only is it human tissue and human blood, but it's tissue from the human heart, from the left ventricle of the heart, which is one of the four chambers.
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It's the chamber that when it constricts, it pumps blood to the body, giving the body life.
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Dr. Zagube said that the victim or the donor of this sample suffered labored and painful breathing, which is consistent with our Lord's passion.
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and death that he experienced and dying of asphyxiation on the cross.
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And Dr. Zagube, as well as these other forensic labs, continue to notice for years, and this is eight years later by the time it's at Columbia University, there's still the presence of intact white blood cells.
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And this is interesting.
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White blood cells, I'm told by medical professionals, and I always ask this as I've given talks for the
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Last Eucharistic revival last year, I was blessed to do 44 talks on the Eucharist over the course of six months from October to last Easter.
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So blessed to get down to Albuquerque, New Mexico and Erie, Pennsylvania and all over the Archdiocese of Dubuque and a couple of other places in Iowa.
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And I always say, if you're a nurse or you're a doctor, please correct me on this one.
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I need to make sure I have this right.
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and they helped me polish it up a little bit.
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So I'm confident saying this, that within about 15 minutes of death, the white blood cells break down.
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And you have, Dr. Zagube has intact white blood cells.
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And again, these other Sydney, San Francisco, these forensic labs still find white blood cells present in this tissue, suggesting that the victim or the donor from whom this sample was taken, that this was recently taken
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from them, okay?
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Here we have, this is a Eucharist from eight years later, right?
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This is in 2004 that this Columbia University stuff is being done.
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Eight years later from 1996, from halfway around the world, from Buenos Aires, Argentina, right?
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So favorite Eucharistic miracle, okay?
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Because I'm naturally skeptical of the scientific evidence behind it, you've got historical evidence for the Eucharist, you've got scriptural evidence for the Eucharist, you have logical evidence for the Eucharist, you have relational evidence for the Eucharist,
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You have scientific evidence for the Eucharist.
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But if you want to dive in and get some more Eucharistic miracles, and I only share Eucharistic miracles that have been Vatican approved.
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It's like kicks, right?
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Kid tested, mother approved, right?
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These are people tested or scientifically tested, Vatican approved, right?
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Check out therealpresence.org.
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They have the Vatican Exhibition of Eucharistic Miracles.
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online that you can go check out, which was largely started by Blessed Carlo Acutis from Italy, if you're familiar with him.
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He died at 15 years old, I think, from leukemia.
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He really got a lot of this started cataloging the Eucharistic miracles of the world that are approved by the church.
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So highly recommend realpresence.org.
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Also, anthonydigman.com is my website.
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If you have any questions or I can point you in the right direction, I always love hearing from alumni, students, but anybody, you know, and let me know if you heard about us, heard about the Eucharistic Revival and heard about me from this podcast.
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Let me know how you heard about me.
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And, you know, anthonydigman.com, there's a contact form.
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Let me know what your question is.
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I'll try to point you in the right direction or give you more resources.
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If you have a young teen who's wrestling with the Eucharist or you have, say, a husband or a wife or a colleague or a neighbor or your parents or whatever it is, I'd be more than happy to help you out on that as well.
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But yeah.
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I'm very blessed to be doing Eucharistic revivals, Eucharistic missions around the Archdiocese of Dubuque especially, but around the country.
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If that'd be useful for you and your parish, harass your pastor a little bit and see if we can get out there.
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Father Kevin, you asked some of the direction I'm going with a few things.
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The Eucharistic revival was really big for me last year.
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It did a lot of talks.
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Not as many this year.
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I've got three coming up in Lent.
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So one is in the...
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Father Tyler Raymond's group, his pastorate up in northern Dubuque County, but I'm also going to be down in the Quad Cities early in February and over in Boone.
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So if you're in the western end of the Archdiocese of Dubuque, you can catch us, catch the Eucharistic Revival over in Boone at the beginning of Lent as well.
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And if you want dates and times, just reach out to me directly.
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But a direction I'm kind of going, you guys, that I want to share is kind of shifting from doing nightly talks to I want to do more to help people in their faith through,
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You could call it a retreat, but I'm calling it a day of renewal where we take a Saturday or we take a Sunday afternoon We take several hours and we do some talks.
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We have reconciliation available We have some small group discussion on the talk so that we can build each other up as a community And then if it's on a Saturday, ideally it would culminate in the massive anticipation for that so that we can grow together as a community and
00:42:06
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We can pick a topic like maybe it's a Eucharistic revival and we work on that for the day.
00:42:11
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Or I'm working on a second master's degree at the Franciscan University of Steubenville in Ohio right now.
00:42:17
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And it's in catechetics and evangelization.
00:42:20
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And last summer I took a course on Christian spirituality that just rocked my world and being able to dive in deeply into the...
00:42:28
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The spirituality of saints' lives, how they live, how they pray, was just such an eye-opener for me.
00:42:35
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And I remember being angry almost taking this course and thinking, how could I have served?
00:42:41
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You know, I'm 41.
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How could I have served in the church for so many years, be halfway through my life, hopefully, maybe I make it to 82, I don't know, be halfway through my life, be an active, committed Catholic, teach at a Catholic high school, have a master's degree in theology, and have never heard
00:42:58
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in depth these the the spirituality and and stories of prayer how to pray how to actually systematically lay out a healthy consistent prayer life you know there's a lot of books that do it lightly but i'm just like this this is amazing you know when you put it all together so that's something that i'm i'm starting to offer and share in these days of renewal so that's kind of the direction i'm going i think catholics um
00:43:22
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Catholics, we get busy and doing a series of night talks at night, sometimes Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, you know, that can be a lot.
00:43:28
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You can't make it all your kids have practice or, you know, other things are going on.
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But, you know, taking a day or half of a day to really sit down with with a community of people and grow in faith, have time for prayer, have time for reflection, have time for sharing, hear talks, go to reconciliation, have time for adoration and culminate in mass.
00:43:46
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This is something that I'm really excited to be able to offer in the future.
00:43:50
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Marvelous.
00:43:51
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For everyone voraciously scribbling notes, I will be putting all this in the show notes so you can look at everything he just said.
00:44:01
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Also, I would add your story earlier about the Eucharist and the typology.
00:44:08
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An author named Brant Petrie wrote a book called The Jewish Roots of the Eucharist.
00:44:12
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And he's one of, I call him Scott's boys, Scott Hahn's cohort.
00:44:17
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They all came out of the same kind of intellectual and academic field.
00:44:21
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But Brant Petrie's Jewish Roots of the Eucharist hits all of the typologies that Mr. Digman talked to us about.
00:44:29
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Yeah, and to give credit where credit's due, when I cover that in the Eucharistic Revival Talks, it's largely built on Dr. Brant Petrie's book.
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So it is a fantastic book.
00:44:38
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Great.
00:44:39
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Yeah, you would only get the summary if you heard one of my talks.
00:44:42
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Instead, you can get the full version from Dr. Petrie.
00:44:46
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Well, this has been delightful.
00:44:47
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Thank you so much for joining us this morning.
00:44:50
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Thank you, fathers.
00:44:51
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I really appreciate
Closing Thoughts and Listener Engagement
00:44:52
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it.
00:44:52
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This has been awesome.
00:44:52
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And thanks again for your ministry and the good work that you're doing.
00:44:56
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Anybody who's listening, God bless you for taking the time to sit with us and to grow more in your faith and to share it.
00:45:01
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Evangelization is so key in the church today.
00:45:04
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So don't be afraid to take whatever golden nugget that you got out of today that helped you and share it with your sibling, your friend, your coworker, a fellow student, your parents, your neighbor, whatever it is.
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Share whatever golden nugget you picked up today with someone else.
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Amen.
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Amen.
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All right.
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Thank you, everyone.
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See you in the Eucharist.
00:45:24
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Amen.