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Purpose: Do We Find It or Does It Find Us?
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In this episode of The Spark It Podcast, Hellen Kimaru and Patrick Chandiga Justine discuss finding purpose. Is it something we find, or does it find us? Patrick shares how his faith, refugee experience, and passion for service shaped his purpose. We discuss how purpose evolves, why it’s okay to feel lost, and how to recognize what truly drives you. If you’ve ever questioned your purpose, this episode is full of laughs, insights, personal stories, and motivation to help you move forward. Tune in and get inspired!
Learn more about projects mentioned in this episode:
CECIuganda.org
JobsToApply.com
WANII.com
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Transcript
Introduction to Spark It Podcast
00:00:01
Kimaru
Welcome to the Spark It podcast with me, Helen Kimaru and Patrick CJ, as he likes to call himself. And on today's topic, we we'll be diving into the topic of finding your purpose.
00:00:14
Kimaru
Is it a journey or a destination? So yeah, Patrick, welcome to the podcast. How do you feel today?
00:00:24
Patrick Abure
I feel very good, Kimaru baby.
00:00:28
Kimaru
Are you excited about this topic?
00:00:30
Patrick Abure
oh yeah. ah i Honestly, i think I am. And at the same time, I definitely do not know like if it is something that we can cover in like a couple of minutes because I feel like
00:00:43
Kimaru
ah huh
00:00:48
Patrick Abure
It's a huge topic that would take so much time to like completely dissect it.
00:00:51
Kimaru
the who
00:00:57
Kimaru
That's true.
00:00:58
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:00:59
Kimaru
So what would you say is purpose according to you?
Purpose and Personal Growth
00:01:05
Patrick Abure
I mean, it's so one thing i i would start with is that purpose is definitely journey rather than just some destination that we are going like um or heading to or going to reach someday.
00:01:17
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:01:23
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:01:25
Patrick Abure
It's something that definitely we do not just find one day. For me, I think purpose is something that grows as we grow.
00:01:36
Kimaru
who who
00:01:37
Patrick Abure
And now I look at purpose more from... the perspective of my faith as ah an adventist i know like some people um link purpose for example to maybe culture um maybe to their life experiences or maybe their choices and things like that i think there are others too that maybe born with their purpose and
00:01:47
Kimaru
Okay.
00:02:08
Patrick Abure
i I could say Jesus Christ.
00:02:11
Kimaru
Okay. Oh, yeah, sure. If you say that, yes. Uh-huh.
00:02:15
Patrick Abure
Yeah. But I think from ah the perspective of my faith, um my faith as an Adventist teaches me that
00:02:16
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:02:21
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:02:28
Patrick Abure
My purpose is to serve God.
00:02:31
Patrick Abure
um My purpose is to serve others.
00:02:32
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:02:37
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:02:37
Patrick Abure
And it's to help make the world honestly ah better place.
00:02:41
Patrick Abure
And so for me, purpose is that.
00:02:42
Kimaru
Okay.
00:02:43
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:02:44
Patrick Abure
It's being able to serve God, to serve others, and to, in one way or the other, make the world better than I found it.
00:02:47
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:02:56
Kimaru
Wow, interesting.
00:02:57
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:02:58
Patrick Abure
Yeah. Right.
00:02:58
Kimaru
ah
00:02:59
Kimaru
I think you kind of almost answered that the question of, ah because what I wanted us to cover today is whether something like, if have you found your purpose? ah Is purpose something you're born with? Or is it something like you kind of grow into?
00:03:14
Kimaru
Something like that. Yeah, and definitely talk about if we have found our purpose.
00:03:14
Patrick Abure
Right.
00:03:18
Kimaru
So you've said, you've mentioned Jesus. I think, yes, for sure for him, his purpose was just one. Come save the human race. Yeah, makes a lot of sense.
00:03:29
Patrick Abure
Yeah, yeah.
00:03:30
Kimaru
So, oh, interesting. I like your definition of purpose, actually. So ah do you think you've found your purpose?
00:03:38
Patrick Abure
i I would think, yeah. um And again, really, so this is a very relative thing. When we talk about purpose, it is very relative.
00:03:48
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Okay.
00:03:51
Patrick Abure
Because it definitely, what purpose looks like for me,
00:03:56
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:03:57
Patrick Abure
might not be what it looks like for you. Or maybe the other person listening to us or watching us.
00:04:02
Kimaru
Okay. Yeah.
Finding Purpose through Service
00:04:04
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:04:04
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:04:07
Patrick Abure
For me, it's about God. um Serving God, serving others, making the world better place.
00:04:16
Patrick Abure
And so for me, I feel like I have been able to find a that um at least from a little bit earlier I would say, a part of my life because so became an Adventist.
00:04:16
Kimaru
yeah
00:04:31
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:04:36
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:04:37
Patrick Abure
I think probably when I was maybe 12, twelve
00:04:40
Patrick Abure
I'm maybe 13. Yeah.
00:04:40
Kimaru
Oh, wow.
00:04:42
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:04:42
Patrick Abure
That was when I got baptized.
00:04:45
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:04:46
Patrick Abure
Yeah. and And I think since and then, have had an incredible experience of being able to commit my life to service, service to God and service to others, but also service to myself.
00:05:00
Kimaru
the
00:05:06
Patrick Abure
Yeah, because I believe like taking care myself is also part of my purpose.
00:05:14
Kimaru
ahha
00:05:14
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:05:15
Kimaru
interesting oh
00:05:16
Patrick Abure
Yeah. So...
Community Initiatives and Impact
00:05:18
Patrick Abure
I've had the pleasure of basically, like, for example, being able to go out to preach um to people the gospel of Jesus Christ, but at the same time being able to ah set up an organization and different other initiatives that are helping people
00:05:39
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:05:41
Patrick Abure
making their lives better every day in so many other ways, whether it being Sesi Uganda, whether it being Jebs to apply, whether it being Wani.
00:05:44
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:05:51
Kimaru
who
00:05:52
Patrick Abure
And another initiative that we are currently building, it's helping change lives.
00:05:55
Kimaru
you
00:05:58
Patrick Abure
and And I think for me, it's serving it's serving my purpose or what I am meant to do in this world.
00:06:10
Patrick Abure
And yeah, I hope it is helping me make a difference because I feel like it is.
00:06:19
Kimaru
and so according to you purpose is something that should help you like make a difference and it should serve you serve other people and serve god
00:06:29
Patrick Abure
that that That is what I see Papas as.
00:06:34
Kimaru
okay
00:06:34
Patrick Abure
And this is really mostly from a very Christian understanding, right?
00:06:40
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:06:40
Patrick Abure
And which was why I said, this is a very relative thing.
00:06:45
Patrick Abure
it will probably it It will definitely, not just probable, it will differ a lot.
00:06:45
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:06:50
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Okay. Mm-hmm.
00:06:51
Patrick Abure
Yeah. From person to person or community to community.
00:06:55
Patrick Abure
But from I think from a Christian perspective, most people will agree with me.
00:06:56
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:07:01
Patrick Abure
that our purpose of being here is to serve God, to serve others, and to make the world a better place.
00:07:01
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:07:15
Kimaru
is
00:07:16
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:07:18
Kimaru
Interesting. You've mentioned some of the things you are doing. In another episode, we talked about SESI and the work you are doing to help communities ah in Uganda, their host communities and refugee communities.
00:07:23
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:07:28
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:07:31
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:07:31
Kimaru
ah Definitely, we need to cover that.
00:07:33
Kimaru
So for anyone... who has not listened to that episode maybe they should go back and get to hear your inspiring story uh you've also mentioned that these these are the initiatives you're working on like kawani and jobs to apply that you feel a part of your purpose could you tell us a little bit about those two and what exactly you are doing and how many people you are serving
00:07:56
Patrick Abure
Well, so with Wani, so Wani is basically a hiring platform that is built for nonprofit organizations that are looking for looking to hire people that have the passion for their mission and impact.
00:08:05
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:08:18
Patrick Abure
And it's also for people who are interested in nonprofits, people are very passionate. about nonprofits and the work nonprofits to, to find these organizations and be able to work with them.
00:08:26
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:08:31
Patrick Abure
And so in a nutshell, what we do at Jobs to Apply is connecting passion with mission.
00:08:38
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:08:42
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:08:43
Patrick Abure
Yeah, so we are basically allowing these organizations to be able to find people that have the passion to accelerate their own missions. And this means sharing jobs or hiring ah people within on our platform.
00:08:57
Patrick Abure
um and very many other things, honestly, ah to helping people maybe write their resumes and cover letters so they can stand out when they apply for a job and something like that.
00:09:05
Kimaru
who
00:09:08
Kimaru
Okay.
00:09:11
Patrick Abure
um Yeah, and with WANI, honestly, our goal is to help nonprofit organizations and individuals and businesses to be able to build an online presence online
00:09:11
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:09:22
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:09:27
Patrick Abure
that allows them to, one, make money, two, attract the funding and support they need could be from their supporters or donors or any other person that might be interested in supporting their work, ah especially for nonprofit organizations, but also to advance advocacy for organizations and individuals that,
00:09:34
Kimaru
who
00:09:39
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:09:41
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:09:49
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:09:56
Patrick Abure
um are working towards, for example, raising awareness about things that affect our communities. Could be maybe climate change, refugees, and vitamin, other things of interest.
00:10:10
Patrick Abure
So yeah, ah with WANU, we are helping these organizations so build websites within their budgets.
00:10:19
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
00:10:20
Patrick Abure
And with Jobstupply, helping these organizations hire people who are talented,
00:10:26
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:10:28
Patrick Abure
um qualified but who have the passion because one important thing I have learned from working with non-governmental organizations is sometimes the degree or the skills the person brings is not enough you need people that have the passion for the work because it can be a little bit bumpy yeah
00:10:32
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:10:35
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:10:38
Kimaru
Yeah.
00:10:46
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:10:51
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. That's true.
00:10:55
Kimaru
Yeah.
00:10:57
Kimaru
Hmm. Interesting. I think you forgot to mention how big a job to apply as ah but as a platform is
00:11:09
Patrick Abure
Honestly, i think as of um as of January, we we were serving over 45,000 people every day.
00:11:11
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:11:21
Kimaru
Oh, wow.
00:11:22
Patrick Abure
And right now, it has probably gone way over.
00:11:24
Kimaru
Hmm. Interesting. Uh-huh.
00:11:29
Patrick Abure
by maybe 20,000 more or
00:11:29
Kimaru
Wow.
Evolving Purpose and Personal Growth
00:11:31
Patrick Abure
30,000 more because we haven't yet done the statistics.
00:11:34
Patrick Abure
ah We do it quarterly. So I think once it is done, we'll be able to tell.
00:11:35
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:11:37
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:11:40
Patrick Abure
But as of right now, we are serving over 45,000 people every single day
00:11:41
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:11:48
Patrick Abure
And people who go to our website, we receive insane number said never ah visits every month.
00:11:48
Kimaru
Wow.
00:11:49
Kimaru
And... Uh-huh.
00:11:54
Kimaru
Uh-huh. The traffic is so high. Yeah.
00:11:56
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:11:58
Patrick Abure
Yeah. Like in a month, we receive over 91,000 visits on our website.
00:11:58
Kimaru
Oh, wow.
00:11:59
Kimaru
Oh.
00:12:02
Kimaru
Oh, wow. That's a lot. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:12:05
Patrick Abure
Yeah. Every single month over that.
00:12:09
Kimaru
Oh, wow.
00:12:09
Patrick Abure
It's insane.
00:12:11
Kimaru
Yeah, I think literally you're going to be a leading platform. And also to mention that this platform was launched, I think, in June of 2024.
00:12:20
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:12:21
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:12:22
Kimaru
Yeah, so it's not even one year old, but the impact has been impressive and the numbers and people looking for opportunities, the fact that they trust your platform and that, that's a really good purpose.
00:12:25
Patrick Abure
No.
00:12:35
Patrick Abure
I know. i know.
00:12:36
Patrick Abure
and And honestly, as long as it's helping someone's life improve, I think it's worth it.
00:12:37
Kimaru
Uh-huh.
00:12:44
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:12:46
Patrick Abure
Yeah, it's worth it because honestly, we we started JobStop Live with my colleague Isaac when we had so much on our plate already going on with school, with organizations, and very many other things that we are working on, like personal projects.
00:12:52
Kimaru
Yeah. Yeah.
00:12:57
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. is
00:13:03
Kimaru
yeah
00:13:08
Kimaru
who
00:13:08
Patrick Abure
And so to be able to still find tiny time for JobStop Live and to see
00:13:13
Kimaru
yeah
00:13:15
Patrick Abure
what it has become from what it was like a couple of months ago to now is, is quite impressive.
00:13:18
Kimaru
who
00:13:23
Kimaru
Yeah.
00:13:24
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:13:25
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:13:25
Patrick Abure
And, and honestly, this is probably something that I don't know if Isaac, our CEO allows me to share this,
00:13:26
Kimaru
Oh, wow.
00:13:34
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:13:39
Patrick Abure
but I feel like, It's probably not too bad, but what we invested into Jobs to Apply, build it, ah when we were working on it, our projection was that it would take us probably year or two for us to break even, as in, you know, the costs, what we spend.
00:13:51
Kimaru
who
00:13:58
Kimaru
who
00:14:01
Kimaru
who
00:14:03
Kimaru
who
00:14:06
Kimaru
Yeah, yeah.
00:14:06
Patrick Abure
us
00:14:07
Kimaru
who
00:14:09
Patrick Abure
Surprisingly, though, we were able to break even within seven months or six months of launching the platform.
00:14:18
Kimaru
Wow.
00:14:19
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:14:21
Kimaru
That's impressive. Good job.
00:14:22
Patrick Abure
Yeah. Yeah.
00:14:24
Kimaru
ah ah hu
00:14:24
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:14:26
Kimaru
Interesting. Wow. Huh.
00:14:29
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:14:30
Kimaru
That's really, honestly, you guys are doing and an amazing job. I see how many followers you have on LinkedIn.
00:14:34
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:14:36
Kimaru
I think I checked today, must be like 61,000 plus followers on LinkedIn and a lot of subscribers for your newsletters.
00:14:42
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:14:44
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:14:46
Kimaru
it's, it's really impressive as a person who receives your newsletters every day time you post right in my DMs, you know, uh,
00:14:55
Patrick Abure
Thank you.
00:14:56
Kimaru
Yeah, I think yeah you're doing amazing. And I feel like um that's a really good way to sort of find your purpose.
00:14:59
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:15:05
Kimaru
Could we, from your personal experience with Jobstor, Playa and Wani, could we say that maybe sometimes when we pursue our passions, we end up finding our purpose? Is it okay to assume that?
00:15:20
Patrick Abure
ah Could you say that again? i think I didn't catch it.
00:15:24
Kimaru
yeah I was saying, is it okay from that story you've just told us, is it okay to assume that sometimes when we pursue the things we are passionate about, we end up finding our purpose?
00:15:25
Patrick Abure
Yes.
00:15:37
Patrick Abure
Yeah, I don't disagree with that. In fact, I totally agree.
00:15:41
Patrick Abure
ah Yeah, with the claim you make. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
00:15:42
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:15:47
Kimaru
Wow.
00:15:47
Patrick Abure
I think...
00:15:48
Patrick Abure
i think
00:15:48
Kimaru
Interesting.
00:15:49
Patrick Abure
We can see those examples all over our us.
00:15:50
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:15:54
Patrick Abure
Like all around us, we can see those examples of basically people finding their purpose from following their passion.
00:15:54
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:15:56
Kimaru
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:16:05
Patrick Abure
um Talk about football, for example.
00:16:05
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:16:09
Patrick Abure
Right.
00:16:09
Kimaru
Yeah.
00:16:11
Patrick Abure
we We have people that basically, you know, play soccer or football and, you know, they discover like, you know what, that is what they're good at.
00:16:11
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:16:17
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:16:22
Patrick Abure
And something that they see as maybe their purpose is helping others rediscover or develop that talent.
00:16:23
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:16:32
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:16:35
Kimaru
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
00:16:35
Patrick Abure
And so it becomes not just about playing soccer.
00:16:38
Patrick Abure
It also becomes about helping develop the talent of others and helping them pick up better versions of themselves. Yeah.
00:16:39
Kimaru
Yeah.
00:16:50
Kimaru
Sort of like inspire them. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
00:16:51
Patrick Abure
I know. Yeah. Yeah.
00:16:55
Patrick Abure
and And probably if they hadn't pursued that path, they probably wouldn't have like gotten to that point where they're like, you know what? I actually need to support others as well.
00:16:55
Kimaru
Hmm.
00:17:08
Patrick Abure
Yeah. Because there's something special about, I don't know, a hands-on experience of doing something.
00:17:16
Kimaru
know
00:17:17
Patrick Abure
Yeah. That is just different.
00:17:20
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:17:20
Kimaru
whom
00:17:21
Kimaru
interesting
00:17:22
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:17:24
Kimaru
Oh, wow. Do you... that I am so happy to hear that you...
00:17:28
Patrick Abure
Let me tell you this.
00:17:30
Kimaru
Okay. Okay.
00:17:32
Patrick Abure
So in high school, my my teacher used to come to class and tell us this, and this this has never been true than today and so forth.
00:17:41
Kimaru
okay
00:17:52
Patrick Abure
You know, he kept coming to class and saying, because...
00:17:56
Patrick Abure
I probably shouldn't generalize everyone, but
00:18:01
Patrick Abure
and no, that is not what he would say, but I don't want to generalize it for everyone who was in my class.
00:18:02
Kimaru
That's what he would say.
00:18:05
Kimaru
Okay.
00:18:09
Patrick Abure
but
00:18:10
Kimaru
Okay.
00:18:10
Kimaru
Deliver it the way you received it.
00:18:15
Kimaru
your own perspective. Okay.
00:18:16
Patrick Abure
Yeah, ah we were a class of students who were really hard to deal with sometimes.
Adaptability in Life and Purpose
00:18:23
Patrick Abure
At least a lot of us, we're little bit hard to deal with.
00:18:23
Kimaru
okay
00:18:26
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:18:27
Patrick Abure
And so he would come to class and says, if you guys don't want to learn right now in class, the world will teach you.
00:18:32
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:18:35
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:18:38
Kimaru
Ooh. Yes. True.
00:18:43
Kimaru
In Kenya, we say, yeah, ita funzo na ulimu ngu.
00:18:44
Patrick Abure
You will learn from the experience.
00:18:48
Patrick Abure
Yeah? Yeah?
00:18:50
Kimaru
Yes. They say, aie fundo amamaa ho fundza now liw ah directly translated to he who is not taught by the mother will be taught by the world.
00:19:03
Patrick Abure
I couldn't agree more.
00:19:07
Kimaru
Ah, interesting. Okay, so the teacher would say that and then?
00:19:11
Patrick Abure
Yeah, he would he would say that because as a way to basically, we're not a lot of time paying attention, you know, when he's in class and things like that.
00:19:21
Kimaru
yeah
00:19:23
Patrick Abure
But as I grew and go to learn more and to understand what was going on around me and like also reflect on my own journey and what I would want in my life to be about and things like that, I got to see he was so right.
00:19:23
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:19:28
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:19:35
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:19:38
Kimaru
Okay.
00:19:46
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:19:50
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:19:50
Patrick Abure
He was absolutely right.
00:19:58
Kimaru
And you actually bring a really good point. Like when finding your purpose, part of it is reflecting about like those things, the choices you make and, you know.
00:20:11
Kimaru
who
00:20:11
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:20:15
Kimaru
So you you are reflecting and thinking, what is this thing i want to do? Have you ever thought about like your legacy? Is that something that bothers you? Because I feel like legacy can also be tied to purpose.
00:20:26
Kimaru
Have you ever thought about like, what is this kind of legacy that I would want to leave behind?
00:20:34
Patrick Abure
Honestly, ah not exactly in the sense of legacy. No, I haven't thought about it that way.
00:20:39
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:20:42
Patrick Abure
But what I have always thought is that, one, I i want to be able to live a life of service.
00:20:43
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:20:56
Kimaru
Hmm.
00:20:57
Patrick Abure
a life of service to God.
00:20:59
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:21:02
Patrick Abure
I am a believer. So I believe in God.
00:21:03
Kimaru
Okay.
00:21:05
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:21:05
Patrick Abure
I believe in faith.
00:21:08
Patrick Abure
um I want to live a life of service to others in my community and so forth.
00:21:08
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:21:14
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:21:17
Patrick Abure
And to help basically just make the world a little bit better than I found it.
00:21:22
Patrick Abure
For me, thats that is what I think about.
00:21:22
Kimaru
Okay.
00:21:23
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:21:24
Patrick Abure
Right.
00:21:25
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:21:26
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:21:26
Patrick Abure
And every day I'm thinking of ways I could help advance that.
00:21:26
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:21:35
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:21:36
Patrick Abure
um Yeah. And I mean, honestly, it's not like always easy, right?
00:21:44
Kimaru
ah have
00:21:44
Patrick Abure
it's It's not always that. So sometimes there are some shortcomings and difficulties. But I think I know what I want to live in terms of the kind of life.
00:21:55
Kimaru
Yeah. hurt her
00:22:04
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:22:04
Kimaru
Interesting. Wow.
00:22:05
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:22:07
Kimaru
Hey. So if somebody is trying to sort of find their purpose, you would probably tell them the best thing to do is to what, like, what should, what should they think about Should they think about what they are passionate about? Do they need to reflect?
00:22:26
Kimaru
on what they they want their future to look like or what they want people to associate them with or what would you advise somebody who is feeling like, oh, I have not found my purpose. Because I have found people, I've talked to people about purpose, by the way, and you ask people whether have they found their purpose.
00:22:43
Kimaru
And sometimes people struggle to actually sort of like, you see the way you've pinned down your purpose to service, whether it's serving God or serving humanity.
00:22:49
Patrick Abure
Yeah. Yeah.
00:22:55
Kimaru
There's some people who struggle with sort of identifying exactly what their purpose is. What would you tell somebody who is struggling to find their purpose?
00:23:05
Patrick Abure
You know, um, what I would say is that it's totally fine to be in such a situation.
00:23:06
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:23:11
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:23:14
Patrick Abure
Like it's really fine for me.
00:23:20
Patrick Abure
purpose is not about having all the answers.
00:23:25
Kimaru
Oh, hmm, good.
00:23:26
Patrick Abure
No, it's about paying attention to what excites you
00:23:28
Kimaru
Yeah, true.
00:23:34
Kimaru
Mm, mm-hmm. Mm, mm-hmm.
00:23:35
Patrick Abure
um and where you want to make a difference.
00:23:39
Kimaru
Mm. Mm-hmm.
00:23:40
Patrick Abure
I think that is the most important thing.
00:23:42
Patrick Abure
It's not about, you know, having all the answers and ticking all the boxes.
00:23:43
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:23:46
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. ah hu ah
00:23:51
Patrick Abure
Because honestly, it's hard to find answers to everything.
00:23:52
Kimaru
i mean
00:23:56
Patrick Abure
I have so many questions that aren't answered.
00:23:57
Kimaru
That's true.
00:23:57
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:24:01
Patrick Abure
Yeah. And if I am to wait on answers to those questions, I wouldn't do anything.
00:24:07
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. That's true.
00:24:11
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:24:12
Patrick Abure
Like you wouldn't do anything. Meaning of life, for example.
00:24:13
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:24:15
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:24:17
Patrick Abure
It's a huge question. that can be a huge determinant of purpose.
00:24:24
Kimaru
Yeah.
00:24:25
Patrick Abure
It's hard to find an answer to that.
00:24:29
Kimaru
That's true. Actually, yeah. hit
00:24:33
Patrick Abure
So think for me, really, finding purpose is not just, you know, you don't need to know how all the answers. No.
00:24:42
Kimaru
Yeah.
00:24:42
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:24:42
Patrick Abure
Just pay attention. What excites you?
00:24:43
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:24:46
Patrick Abure
Where do you want to make the difference?
00:24:46
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:24:48
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:24:49
Patrick Abure
Yeah, it's it's totally fine. and And honestly, like another thing is
00:24:57
Patrick Abure
no purpose is small.
00:25:00
Kimaru
Wow.
00:25:01
Patrick Abure
Like literally no purpose is small.
00:25:03
Kimaru
Interesting.
00:25:04
Patrick Abure
Like whether you are helping one person or you're helping many, your purpose matters.
00:25:05
Kimaru
Yeah. Yeah.
00:25:11
Patrick Abure
In my opinion, it does. It doesn't have to be this huge thing. For example, maybe someone would be like, you know, oh, Patrick has a non-governmental organization that is helping thousands of people.
00:25:20
Kimaru
who
00:25:26
Patrick Abure
My purpose has to be something that does that.
00:25:27
Kimaru
yeah
00:25:29
Patrick Abure
No. No. Your purpose could be helping just the one person.
00:25:29
Kimaru
will
00:25:35
Kimaru
who
00:25:37
Patrick Abure
Could be helping someone actually in your household, in your family.
00:25:41
Patrick Abure
Could be your purpose. Or could be helping a neighbor or a child in school.
00:25:41
Kimaru
Yeah.
00:25:46
Kimaru
who who
00:25:49
Patrick Abure
Maybe become better in handling their homework. Because you never know, right?
00:25:53
Patrick Abure
What you do now, what it will result in the future.
00:25:54
Kimaru
Yeah.
00:25:57
Kimaru
That's true.
00:25:58
Patrick Abure
Yeah. Like, you can never tell. And so purpose is not, you know, no purpose is small.
00:26:07
Kimaru
Yeah. i think that's actually very encouraging. Yeah. For people who might be thinking like it has to be grand. Yeah. Grand actions. Grand impact.
00:26:16
Patrick Abure
No, no.
00:26:17
Patrick Abure
Yeah, yeah. Like, it doesn't have to be that way.
00:26:18
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:26:20
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:26:22
Patrick Abure
Yeah. I mean, i I really do understand that things like passion, experience, and even our faith and service all play a role, you know, sometimes in helping us find our purpose.
00:26:35
Kimaru
Yeah.
00:26:38
Kimaru
who who
00:26:39
Patrick Abure
Yeah. Sometimes we go through ah really bad experience and that experience becomes the bedrock for our purpose.
00:26:51
Kimaru
Yeah.
00:26:52
Patrick Abure
um You know Terry Fox?
00:26:56
Kimaru
oh Yeah. The one who used to do...
00:26:58
Patrick Abure
Yeah. so
00:27:00
Kimaru
Is it the person who used to do the building or it's not that one?
00:27:04
Patrick Abure
he he He was cancer patient.
00:27:13
Kimaru
Ah, maybe I don't know that one.
00:27:13
Patrick Abure
he he
00:27:14
Kimaru
It's another theory I know.
00:27:15
Patrick Abure
Basically, one of the leg was like...
00:27:18
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:27:19
Patrick Abure
He's Canadian, you know? He ran like...
00:27:21
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:27:22
Patrick Abure
ah um
00:27:26
Patrick Abure
I don't know. Is it called a marathon or something? But, you know, like running across country to raise funds.
00:27:33
Kimaru
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:27:33
Patrick Abure
for for people with cancer and things like that.
00:27:37
Patrick Abure
um That purpose was from his experience.
00:27:37
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:27:44
Kimaru
Yeah. Yeah.
00:27:46
Patrick Abure
If it wasn't for that, it wouldn't. And I think you could think about also families.
00:27:53
Patrick Abure
You know, they go through very traumatic experience and they end up maybe starting a foundation.
00:27:53
Kimaru
a
00:27:59
Kimaru
yeah
00:28:04
Patrick Abure
Or maybe a fund to help some other people who are going through the same thing.
00:28:04
Kimaru
oh
00:28:07
Kimaru
who
00:28:11
Kimaru
yeah
00:28:11
Patrick Abure
so So, like, when you look at all these things around us, you see that experiences actually do play a huge role.
00:28:22
Kimaru
a
00:28:23
Patrick Abure
Yeah. and and And some people, you know, why i was saying that it's really good.
00:28:25
Kimaru
Oh, wow.
00:28:31
Kimaru
Uh-huh.
00:28:32
Patrick Abure
It's good for for people to be in that stage where they're asking questions.
00:28:40
Patrick Abure
It's a stage that never stops. I still have questions I ask.
00:28:40
Kimaru
Uh-huh.
00:28:42
Kimaru
Uh-huh.
00:28:43
Patrick Abure
I believe I have found my purpose.
00:28:46
Kimaru
he
00:28:46
Patrick Abure
But I still have questions. And I think it's okay for people to be in there um because there are people that have found their purpose through like um inquiry, like being able to reflect on all these questions and so forth, and then discovering suddenly answers to those.
00:29:09
Patrick Abure
And I think that is how science functions.
00:29:10
Kimaru
and That's true.
00:29:13
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:29:14
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:29:15
Patrick Abure
Yeah. At the end of the day, you find, oh
00:29:21
Kimaru
Uh-huh, you're like, yeah, we discovered. Mm-hmm.
00:29:24
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:29:27
Patrick Abure
So, but I think the point I want to make is that
00:29:35
Patrick Abure
no one wakes up one day in the morning knowing their purpose.
00:29:42
Patrick Abure
At least from my own experience. I didn't wake up one morning and I knew instantly or instinctively what my purpose is.
00:29:42
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:29:50
Kimaru
Yeah.
00:29:53
Patrick Abure
No. Yeah. I had to try, fail, learn, and grow. Like literally along the way.
00:29:53
Kimaru
a
00:30:03
Kimaru
Wow. Interesting.
00:30:05
Patrick Abure
Yeah. Like I...
00:30:08
Kimaru
Uh-huh. Mm-hmm.
00:30:13
Patrick Abure
As a Christian, I have been in and out of the church so many times.
00:30:21
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:30:22
Patrick Abure
But one thing I know deep down that never goes away is that de deep, deep motivation.
00:30:30
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:30:37
Patrick Abure
that deep, deep, I even don't know how to explain it. It's like a passion, a burning fire deep inside that wants to serve God, to serve others, never goes away.
00:30:46
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:30:51
Kimaru
Uh-huh. uh-huh mm-hmm
00:30:57
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:30:58
Patrick Abure
And so these days, even when I do that, i i make sure that whatever I am doing is contributing in one way or the other towards that.
00:30:58
Kimaru
stuck with you
00:31:10
Patrick Abure
Mm-hmm.
00:31:13
Kimaru
that makes sense okay have you ever
00:31:14
Patrick Abure
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
00:31:16
Kimaru
Do you think you've ever felt at some point like you've lost track of your purpose? Or maybe you feel like you're stagnated at some point and you feel like you're not leaving your purpose or maybe achieving the things you need to achieve towards your purpose?
00:31:24
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:31:32
Kimaru
did Have you ever had that feeling?
00:31:34
Patrick Abure
ah So before I answer that question, something that I thought would be very helpful um
00:31:43
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:31:45
Patrick Abure
for people who are in the verge of discovering their purpose is to ask themselves some questions.
00:31:53
Kimaru
who
00:31:55
Patrick Abure
Like, for example, what problems in the world make you want to take an action?
00:31:55
Kimaru
Okay.
00:32:02
Kimaru
ah Interesting.
00:32:05
Patrick Abure
Yeah, like there's definitely always that one pain point for us that we really feel like, I wish this issue could be addressed.
00:32:19
Kimaru
Yeah.
00:32:19
Patrick Abure
You know, something that you're really passionate about that you think should be addressed, but for some reason, maybe it's not being addressed.
00:32:27
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
00:32:28
Patrick Abure
Or maybe the way it's being addressed now, you see it's not the best.
00:32:29
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
00:32:35
Patrick Abure
Yeah. um Oh, you could ask yourself, um what do people always, like, when they come to you ask for your advisor?
00:32:46
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:32:47
Patrick Abure
Yeah, because some people, some people are, again, going back to the point that others are born with their purpose.
00:32:50
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:32:57
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:32:58
Kimaru
Yeah. Maybe you have the answers that people need so that becomes your purpose to help people solve their problems.
00:33:02
Patrick Abure
ah
00:33:06
Patrick Abure
Yeah, exactly.
00:33:08
Patrick Abure
Like, you know, some people go to school, most people go to school to become counselors.
00:33:08
Kimaru
here
00:33:09
Kimaru
sir
00:33:13
Kimaru
ah hundred who
00:33:17
Kimaru
Yeah, that's true.
00:33:18
Patrick Abure
Like most people go to school. But there's some people who are just good at actually helping you manage or overcome whatever you're going through way better than counselors.
00:33:24
Kimaru
Yes.
00:33:31
Kimaru
Yeah.
00:33:33
Kimaru
Sounds like my friend.
00:33:34
Patrick Abure
They're not trained.
00:33:38
Kimaru
They ask the difficult questions and then they they they leave you thinking like, hmm. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
00:33:49
Patrick Abure
Yeah. I think like if you can figure that out, sometimes it can help you.
00:33:54
Kimaru
Uh-huh.
00:33:55
Patrick Abure
Yeah. In moving towards understanding what your purpose is.
00:33:59
Kimaru
Yeah.
00:33:59
Patrick Abure
And. Another that is perhaps really a good question to ask is what makes you lose track of time when you do it?
00:34:07
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:34:12
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:34:14
Patrick Abure
If there is someone that has really, i would say, drilled drilled this concept into my brain, it's one of my professors.
00:34:15
Kimaru
Ah.
00:34:24
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:34:27
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:34:30
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:34:32
Patrick Abure
Sometimes you have to find out what is that one thing that you can do effortlessly.
00:34:37
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:34:40
Kimaru
Yes. Yes, I agree. Mm-hmm.
00:34:42
Patrick Abure
Yeah, like effortlessly.
00:34:44
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:34:44
Patrick Abure
you No one has to tell you like what to do, how to do it for how long.
00:34:49
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Comes naturally.
00:34:51
Patrick Abure
You know how to do it.
00:34:52
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:34:52
Patrick Abure
You instinctively love to do it.
00:34:53
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
00:34:56
Patrick Abure
You don't need an external motivation.
00:34:59
Kimaru
I agree.
00:35:00
Patrick Abure
Yeah. Like the motivation in there.
00:35:03
Kimaru
who
00:35:04
Patrick Abure
And I think for me, when you get to that point, you have your purpose already.
00:35:08
Kimaru
who
00:35:11
Kimaru
Wow. Interesting. Yeah, because for me, if you had asked me what my purpose would be, would say it could be like that thing that sets my heart on fire.
00:35:22
Kimaru
Just wanted to do it.
00:35:24
Patrick Abure
Yes.
00:35:25
Kimaru
Yeah. Yeah.
00:35:26
Patrick Abure
Yeah. Yeah. You know, this is controversial.
00:35:30
Kimaru
Wow. who
00:35:34
Patrick Abure
i
00:35:34
Kimaru
Okay.
00:35:37
Kimaru
The disclaimers you are giving today. We are listening. ah of whom
00:35:44
Patrick Abure
Because some people will disagree with it, right?
00:35:47
Patrick Abure
Depending on where they're coming from.
00:35:47
Kimaru
um Okay. Okay.
00:35:49
Kimaru
who
00:35:50
Patrick Abure
for some people, they actually discover their purpose from an early stage and
00:35:52
Kimaru
who
00:35:58
Kimaru
Yes.
00:35:59
Patrick Abure
That thing could be, for example, gaming. Now, why I'm saying it's controversial.
00:36:03
Kimaru
who
00:36:05
Patrick Abure
Parents.
00:36:09
Patrick Abure
Parents might have a different plan for you, you know.
00:36:12
Kimaru
a want you to become a doctor.
00:36:14
Patrick Abure
Exactly. and and I don't think there's this there iss no one parent who is comfortable with you just sitting, you know, 10 hours or something playing games and so forth.
00:36:28
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. who
00:36:28
Patrick Abure
But there are people that actually find that very fulfilling.
00:36:34
Kimaru
Very. who
00:36:35
Patrick Abure
Yeah. And it through in doing that, they are also helping put smiles on other people's faces. Yeah.
00:36:45
Patrick Abure
So, which is why for me, I feel like, you know, no one purpose is small. Or no purpose is of more value than the other.
00:36:46
Kimaru
Interesting.
00:36:55
Kimaru
and
00:36:57
Patrick Abure
No, papas is papas.
00:36:58
Kimaru
That's true. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:37:00
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:37:02
Kimaru
You just find which works for you and run with it.
00:37:08
Kimaru
Oh, wow. ah That's that's very um it's very good insights, actually.
00:37:17
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:37:21
Kimaru
I asked you a question before, yeah and then you took us back to that. um
00:37:26
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:37:28
Kimaru
The question was whether you've ever, like, have you ever felt like you've sort of stagnated in your purpose, or you're not making any progress, or even like you've lost your purpose at some point, or for you it has just been clear, like day and night?
00:37:44
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:37:46
Patrick Abure
Okay.
00:37:48
Patrick Abure
So today I'm sharing a lot of what I believe in.
00:37:54
Kimaru
Yeah, it's okay. It's okay. The platform is all yours. Uh-huh.
00:38:00
Patrick Abure
For me, I do think that purpose is not fixed.
00:38:09
Kimaru
ah he
00:38:11
Patrick Abure
It grows as you grow.
00:38:13
Kimaru
for who
00:38:15
Patrick Abure
For me, that's that's how I look at it.
00:38:18
Kimaru
v
00:38:18
Patrick Abure
not It's not constant. Yeah. um the It's not like change, you know? Change, you know, change is constant.
00:38:29
Kimaru
Uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh.
00:38:30
Patrick Abure
You like it, you don't like it, it will change you.
00:38:34
Kimaru
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:38:38
Patrick Abure
But I think purpose is it's not that way.
00:38:43
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:38:44
Patrick Abure
It grows, it evolves as you also evolve as a person. Yeah. um So when I was younger,
00:38:58
Patrick Abure
know, as a kid, you know, they'll be asking like, yo, what do you want to be when you grow up and things like that.
00:39:00
Kimaru
me
00:39:06
Kimaru
Yeah.
00:39:07
Patrick Abure
And for me, it's always been, oh, I want to be a lawyer.
00:39:14
Kimaru
who
00:39:14
Patrick Abure
And I remember bringing this up last time.
00:39:17
Kimaru
Yeah.
00:39:20
Patrick Abure
Yeah. And it was also hugely influenced by who I had around me.
00:39:30
Kimaru
Yeah.
00:39:31
Patrick Abure
I had a relative, a brother, who was a lawyer.
00:39:38
Kimaru
who
00:39:38
Patrick Abure
And so for him, that that that that is supposed to be the path for me too.
00:39:46
Kimaru
it
00:39:46
Patrick Abure
Yeah. And as a kid, I never took it serious, right? Like not very much.
00:39:55
Kimaru
yeah
00:39:55
Patrick Abure
But when i when we lost him, he got murdered.
00:40:02
Patrick Abure
um
00:40:02
Kimaru
Oh no, sorry to hear.
00:40:04
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:40:04
Patrick Abure
Yeah. when When we lost him,
00:40:08
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:40:09
Patrick Abure
Oh, that da flame became even more stronger.
00:40:15
Kimaru
Ah, it was ignited. oh I see.
00:40:20
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:40:21
Kimaru
wow. Mm-hmm.
00:40:21
Patrick Abure
Being super strong, especially like he go through what he did and no justice done.
00:40:25
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:40:31
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:40:37
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:40:37
Patrick Abure
just murder, cold blood, no justice done.
00:40:39
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:40:40
Patrick Abure
No one wrote the book. I think for me, it became very clear then that this was really something I wanted to do.
00:40:44
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:40:52
Kimaru
Yeah.
00:40:52
Patrick Abure
Yeah. And honestly, it's still something I want to do.
00:40:56
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:40:57
Patrick Abure
Yeah. um
00:41:00
Patrick Abure
One day I'm going to do that. I already have plans for that.
00:41:05
Kimaru
Low? You're going to do low?
00:41:07
Patrick Abure
ah I plans for that already.
00:41:10
Kimaru
Oh, wow. Interesting. Uh-huh. Mm-hmm.
00:41:14
Patrick Abure
But, yeah. But I think the point is that as I became a refugee, it became a little bit different, right?
00:41:24
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:41:26
Patrick Abure
um
00:41:27
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:41:27
Patrick Abure
i I got more like, you know what, I actually found a lot more fulfillment in serving others.
00:41:35
Kimaru
Okay. Okay. Okay.
00:41:38
Patrick Abure
Yeah. um In serving persons that are going through really difficult stuff, um helping them improve their lives and being able to see the change you're making.
00:41:52
Kimaru
who
00:41:52
Patrick Abure
I think it's like so heartwarming, like it warms my heart.
00:41:59
Patrick Abure
and And I think for me, that shows how my purpose kept evolving because I think as a child, I thought it was about helping others find justice.
00:41:59
Kimaru
who
00:42:07
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:42:12
Patrick Abure
I still have that in mind.
00:42:13
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
00:42:15
Patrick Abure
haven't lost it, but I think I have also integrated other elements.
00:42:17
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:42:21
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:42:21
Patrick Abure
Yeah. So I do think that, yeah, it's definitely it's definitely not it's not fixed. And honestly, life changes us
00:42:36
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:42:37
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:42:38
Patrick Abure
Like, the challenges we go through can show you ah new path.
00:42:38
Kimaru
That's true.
00:42:42
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:42:45
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:42:47
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:42:50
Patrick Abure
that might become your purpose, maybe something that you've never seen before.
00:42:53
Kimaru
Okay.
00:42:55
Patrick Abure
Yeah. And I think for me, it was the case when I became a refugee.
00:42:55
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:42:58
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:43:01
Patrick Abure
It showed me something that I would never have seen.
00:43:05
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:43:06
Patrick Abure
um Yeah. Like literally. so
00:43:06
Kimaru
who
Purpose as a Growing Tree
00:43:14
Kimaru
Wow. injur Yeah. ah From what I'm hearing, purpose sometimes does not stay consistent. it can change. You can outgrow, maybe you are living a certain purpose right now. You outgrow it after some time, depending also the experiences you go through in life. Like for you, you always wanted to be a lawyer.
00:43:35
Kimaru
And then at some point, displacement gave you a new purpose to serve other people, certain organization, and do all that you do with SESI. so um So I guess the word of encouragement here is that it can evolve.
00:43:50
Patrick Abure
Oh yeah.
00:43:50
Kimaru
You know, I've ever gone through an experience where I thought that I had found my purpose.
00:43:56
Kimaru
This is it. This is exactly what I'm supposed to do for the rest of my life. And when that thing stopped, like the wheel stopped turning, actually, I got stuck.
00:44:07
Kimaru
And now I felt like... you know, it's like I'm just there, i don't know what exactly to do next. And it didn't, it did feel so bad actually. So that's was asking that question about whether it changes.
00:44:18
Patrick Abure
Honestly,
00:44:20
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:44:21
Patrick Abure
Right, right. Like,
00:44:25
Patrick Abure
sometimes I feel that purpose does change.
00:44:31
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:44:35
Patrick Abure
It does change because our skills, our interests, and opportunities change.
00:44:43
Kimaru
oh Mm. True.
00:44:47
Patrick Abure
Yeah, when those things change, at least for me, I feel like when they did, my purpose also changed.
00:44:58
Patrick Abure
And actually, now that you've said
00:45:05
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:45:08
Patrick Abure
oh thats how you you had a very strong, um like,
00:45:17
Patrick Abure
a sense of purpose for something.
00:45:19
Kimaru
Mhm. Mhm.
00:45:19
Patrick Abure
And then eventually it went.
00:45:20
Kimaru
Mhm.
00:45:22
Kimaru
yeah
00:45:26
Patrick Abure
For me, this is what I think about.
00:45:27
Kimaru
wa
00:45:29
Kimaru
who
00:45:30
Patrick Abure
And um I'm going to use this analogy because I am here. I come from a family of farmers.
00:45:39
Patrick Abure
We farm a lot. We have a lot of trees at home and things like that, fruits.
00:45:39
Kimaru
who
00:45:41
Kimaru
okay
00:45:44
Patrick Abure
and I feel like purpose is like a tree.
00:45:50
Kimaru
Wow.
00:45:52
Patrick Abure
Could be a fruit or whatever, but it's it's maybe like a tree.
00:45:53
Kimaru
Okay.
00:45:59
Patrick Abure
It starts a small.
00:46:02
Patrick Abure
very small but it grows it grows with the time with the care and with experience yeah for me that's how i look at it so it means that
00:46:02
Kimaru
who
00:46:04
Kimaru
who
00:46:07
Kimaru
who
00:46:13
Kimaru
who
00:46:17
Kimaru
wow okay
00:46:21
Kimaru
That's true.
00:46:23
Patrick Abure
exactly
00:46:26
Kimaru
ah who
00:46:28
Patrick Abure
It is that once you've discovered it, it doesn't mean it's always going to be there if you'd not give it the time, the care and care to build the experience.
00:46:32
Kimaru
o
00:46:34
Kimaru
who
00:46:39
Kimaru
man
00:46:42
Patrick Abure
Yeah. Before you know it, it will start to feel like it's not your purpose again.
00:46:48
Kimaru
that's true
00:46:48
Patrick Abure
Yeah. You remember like being able to do something effortlessly?
00:46:55
Kimaru
Yeah.
00:46:55
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:46:58
Kimaru
but That should be like a very big indicator. It's like, ah you're still there. All right, all right.
00:47:06
Kimaru
Interesting. Uh-huh.
00:47:08
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:47:08
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:47:08
Patrick Abure
So I think for me, I feel like that you should be able to, you should not actually, you you you shouldn't be afraid pivot, like to pivot if you need to.
00:47:12
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:47:27
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:47:30
Patrick Abure
Yeah, if if something no longer feels effortless to do, or if it no longer feels right, I feel that it's okay for you to move in a new direction.
00:47:36
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Ah. Uh-huh.
00:47:42
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:47:46
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:47:49
Kimaru
Wow.
00:47:51
Patrick Abure
Yeah, like...
00:47:53
Kimaru
That's true. Mm-hmm.
00:47:54
Patrick Abure
Yeah, because otherwise you... What would you be doing there? Because...
00:47:59
Kimaru
He's just stuck and stagnating. He'll be like, I lost my purpose, guys. Uh-huh.
00:48:11
Kimaru
Uh-huh.
00:48:12
Patrick Abure
Yeah. and
00:48:16
Patrick Abure
And honestly, it can sometimes feel bad, you know, um when when you find yourself in such a situation.
00:48:19
Kimaru
Yeah, true. Mm-hmm.
00:48:26
Patrick Abure
But I really do think
00:48:27
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:48:30
Patrick Abure
you shouldn't.
00:48:32
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:48:33
Patrick Abure
Yeah, like right now, i do not feel bad at all that I haven't gone to law school yet.
00:48:40
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:48:43
Patrick Abure
No, I don't feel bad about it. um
00:48:50
Patrick Abure
i've I feel this is still something I can do. And this is the beauty of life, honestly. Like, as long as you still have life, the blessing of life, you can always do whatever you want to.
00:48:59
Kimaru
who
00:49:02
Kimaru
yeah true wow
00:49:05
Patrick Abure
Yeah. So if you if you really do feel like, you know, it no longer feels like it, um yeah, you should probably change.
00:49:14
Kimaru
who
00:49:17
Patrick Abure
You know?
00:49:19
Kimaru
and
00:49:22
Kimaru
wow yeah this goes out to everyone who is feeling like they' are stuck in their purpose it's It's okay. You can stop right there and find a new purpose because it keeps changing and evolving.
00:49:33
Patrick Abure
Absolutely. and
00:49:35
Kimaru
Wow.
00:49:36
Patrick Abure
Absolutely. And honestly, yeah?
00:49:38
Kimaru
Let's... Mm-hmm. No, continue.
00:49:43
Patrick Abure
No, I was just saying that when you find yourself, i i i I feel hesitant to use the word losing your purpose because I feel like you actually don't lose it.
00:49:54
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:49:57
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:50:01
Kimaru
it's maybe that it's changing or you're pivoting to something else
00:50:03
Patrick Abure
Exactly.
00:50:07
Patrick Abure
Yes. Oh, you've discovered a new path.
00:50:13
Kimaru
yeah a new one yeah who
00:50:14
Patrick Abure
Yeah. you It's not like you lose it or something. I wouldn't put it that way. Yeah. But I think that for me, you shouldn't be afraid to change course or to try out a new path.
00:50:24
Kimaru
who
00:50:32
Kimaru
who
00:50:32
Patrick Abure
um I think it's okay to do that. Yeah, for me, it doesn't mean like you felt.
00:50:39
Kimaru
o
00:50:39
Patrick Abure
Yeah, it means you're human. You're human, man. Yeah.
00:50:44
Kimaru
Yeah, that's true. Now that you've also talked about like being afraid and all that, to pivot and all that,
00:50:50
Patrick Abure
yeah
00:50:52
Kimaru
You know, there are also some people who maybe have a bit of self-doubt. Like they know they're supposed to be doing something, but they don't do it because they are feeling like either know they're not good enough or maybe feeling like, like you gave an example of you doing something big, like you are serving a community in large numbers.
00:51:11
Kimaru
um maybe somebody is seated somewhere and they're like, you know what? I would want to do something like something similar to what Patrick does. But now they start doubting their their journey. They're like, I don't think I can do it.
00:51:22
Kimaru
oh you know, you have those like limiting limiting thoughts and beliefs a about your journey. What to do tell such a person? Because I feel like sometimes those are the things that hold us from achieving our purpose, whether big or small.
00:51:39
Patrick Abure
Absolutely.
00:51:41
Patrick Abure
You know, my experience,
00:51:43
Kimaru
Uh-huh.
00:51:49
Patrick Abure
I have felt like I have lost it before.
00:51:54
Patrick Abure
And so many times, actually, um
00:51:54
Kimaru
Mmhmm.
00:51:59
Patrick Abure
But I think I kept going back. You know, there are these cases where I have faced rejection.
00:52:14
Patrick Abure
um Yeah. And depending on what you're getting the rejection for, Oh my God.
00:52:14
Kimaru
Okay.
00:52:23
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:52:24
Patrick Abure
It can hurt.
00:52:27
Kimaru
Uh-huh.
00:52:31
Kimaru
I know, yeah, rejection is not good. It it doesn't come easy.
00:52:35
Patrick Abure
No, it doesn't.
00:52:37
Patrick Abure
It doesn't.
00:52:38
Kimaru
It hits so hard.
00:52:39
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:52:39
Patrick Abure
Oh yeah, it does. um So I have first rejection. I have first uncertainty where you don't know where the food you're going to eat later in the evening is going to come from.
00:52:56
Kimaru
Oh
00:52:58
Patrick Abure
have first situations where ah whole week I'm struggling to find what to eat.
00:53:07
Kimaru
oh wow.
00:53:08
Patrick Abure
That kind of uncertainty.
00:53:11
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:53:12
Patrick Abure
um But I've also felt like self-doubt
00:53:18
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:53:19
Patrick Abure
so many times.
00:53:21
Patrick Abure
And self-doubt is our biggest enemy.
00:53:22
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:53:25
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:53:26
Patrick Abure
Like, it's u always finding ways to take hold of you.
00:53:33
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
00:53:33
Patrick Abure
And if possible, but to even like overpower you.
00:53:37
Kimaru
Uh-huh.
00:53:38
Patrick Abure
Yeah. Just like you said, you start feeling like, you know what?
00:53:40
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:53:41
Patrick Abure
Maybe you're not good enough. oh Maybe others are bigger. You know, imposter syndrome start coming in and stuff like that.
00:53:47
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. yeah ah her he
00:53:49
Patrick Abure
Yeah. But
00:53:52
Patrick Abure
out of all of this,
00:53:55
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:53:56
Patrick Abure
I think for me, I each time found a way to like go back, go back to asking why.
00:54:01
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:54:05
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:54:05
Patrick Abure
Yeah, like to I think that sometimes we lose track because we we don't go back to our why very often.
00:54:10
Kimaru
Yeah.
00:54:15
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:54:16
Patrick Abure
Why did you start yeah
00:54:20
Kimaru
Yeah.
00:54:20
Patrick Abure
Why are you doing what you are doing?
00:54:23
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:54:25
Patrick Abure
Like for me, i think each time I go back to really remind myself of my why, it keeps me moving because it reminds me oh the reason why I do what I do.
00:54:41
Patrick Abure
Like with Ceci, I felt so many times where i was like, you know what?
00:54:44
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:54:47
Patrick Abure
All right, this is enough. Done.
00:54:50
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. who
00:54:51
Patrick Abure
And then I still go back to my why. And I find a reason to continue because my why reminds me of why I need to continue and why it's important i do.
00:55:06
Kimaru
Yeah.
00:55:07
Patrick Abure
Yeah. But also, and I remember telling you this, i think in one of the episodes that we had,
00:55:15
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:55:18
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:55:20
Patrick Abure
I think talking to people inspire me.
00:55:23
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. That's true.
00:55:25
Patrick Abure
um Whether people who have done more than I have or people who have done way less than I have, I have found talking to people really inspirational.
00:55:32
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:55:40
Patrick Abure
Like in so many ways, um mentors, friends, and community. And I can tell you again, like, you know, friends like those of jexona those of romeo those of one of us those of jill and very many other guys honestly that i've had the the opportunity to work with and collaborate with and learn from and and get challenged by and things like that i think like
00:55:40
Kimaru
okay mm-hmm
00:55:52
Kimaru
mm-hmm mm-hmm mm-
00:56:02
Kimaru
for
00:56:05
Kimaru
who
00:56:12
Patrick Abure
those helped me in a way to overcome sometimes the self-doubt.
00:56:17
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:56:17
Patrick Abure
Yeah. Yeah. um And I think honestly, for for someone who is like experiencing something like that, it can be really nice to do that.
00:56:27
Kimaru
Yeah.
00:56:29
Patrick Abure
Like it it was good.
00:56:30
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:56:35
Patrick Abure
It was like the medicine I needed to keep going.
00:56:41
Kimaru
who
00:56:41
Patrick Abure
Yeah, and
00:56:44
Patrick Abure
another thing would be taking small steps.
00:56:47
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Ah, true, true.
00:56:48
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
00:56:49
Patrick Abure
Yeah, sometimes just like helping one person can remind you of your bigger purpose.
00:56:50
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:56:54
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:56:58
Kimaru
oh
00:56:59
Patrick Abure
Yeah, it can help remind you of the bigger picture of why you're doing what you do.
00:57:00
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:57:05
Kimaru
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:57:06
Patrick Abure
Yeah. So I would think... that if someone can do some of these things, I think it can be really nice.
00:57:14
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
00:57:16
Patrick Abure
Like, you know, talking to people, taking small steps, um going back to asking, you know, your why, I think can really be
00:57:28
Patrick Abure
super valuable.
00:57:30
Kimaru
hope
00:57:30
Patrick Abure
Like really, yeah.
00:57:33
Kimaru
Wow.
00:57:36
Kimaru
Interesting.
00:57:40
Kimaru
Oh, yes. Pitting wisdom.
00:57:46
Kimaru
that's very interesting honestly yeah because i think sometimes people hold themselves back because they don't want to try like you're supposed to maybe be you are good at something you could start a youtube channel and talk to people about stuff and they're like yeah you know maybe i'm not good enough but at least you've demystified that start small talk to people allow your community to support you in your journey Yeah, and you can be able to probably overcome stuff like that that holds you back, which is super interesting.
00:58:21
Kimaru
So, okay.
00:58:21
Patrick Abure
Absolutely.
00:58:22
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
Overcoming Self-Doubt
00:58:23
Patrick Abure
Actually, if I could say something quick.
00:58:23
Kimaru
who
00:58:25
Patrick Abure
um So for me,
00:58:26
Kimaru
um okay
00:58:30
Kimaru
who
00:58:32
Patrick Abure
what what day see, like feeling self-doubt in what you're doing or maybe in your purpose, sometimes it's like,
00:58:45
Kimaru
<unk>
00:58:47
Patrick Abure
it's like walking through dust. I don't know, how do you call like heavy dust?
00:58:57
Kimaru
Heavy dust.
00:58:58
Patrick Abure
Yes.
00:58:59
Patrick Abure
Because for me, I come from South Sudan. We have dust there.
00:59:00
Kimaru
Ah.
00:59:05
Kimaru
Oh, really?
00:59:10
Kimaru
Oh, no. Don't say.
00:59:11
Patrick Abure
Our roads and roads are not tarmacked everywhere.
00:59:12
Kimaru
Uh-huh.
00:59:16
Kimaru
Oh, sense. hit here you you wo me
00:59:18
Patrick Abure
so when a car is ahead of you and is speeding, you can't see anything.
00:59:32
Kimaru
Oh my God. ah
00:59:34
Patrick Abure
So i I don't know how to call that heavy dust, where basically...
00:59:39
Kimaru
You have to wait for it to settle.
00:59:41
Patrick Abure
Yeah, I mean like the kind of dust where you are actually unable to see through.
00:59:45
Kimaru
hu
00:59:47
Kimaru
o it becomes foggy and it is dust fog of dust let's call it that
00:59:48
Patrick Abure
Yeah. Exactly. It's like a fog. I think.
00:59:57
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
01:00:04
Kimaru
they will say dust is constant like the kalahari yeah who
01:00:12
Patrick Abure
Yeah, I think self-doubt can feel like walking in a fog.
01:00:17
Kimaru
Wow. That analogy.
01:00:19
Patrick Abure
Yeah, you may not see the whole road, like literally.
01:00:23
Kimaru
Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
01:00:23
Patrick Abure
Difficult.
01:00:25
Patrick Abure
And of course, it's a tough place to be in.
01:00:25
Kimaru
Uh-huh.
01:00:28
Kimaru
who wow
01:00:29
Patrick Abure
When you're going somewhere and you can't see anything, who knows what you'll step on.
01:00:31
Kimaru
hurt him
01:00:38
Kimaru
that analogy ah
01:00:40
Patrick Abure
But I think for me, taking small steps will lead you forward through that fog.
01:00:42
Kimaru
who
01:00:46
Kimaru
Yes.
01:00:46
Patrick Abure
You know, a little bit careful.
01:00:47
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
01:00:49
Patrick Abure
You probably have seen this in movies.
01:00:50
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. but
01:00:53
Patrick Abure
Where people will be going very slowly. Others are holding each other and things like that.
01:00:57
Kimaru
Yeah. They're trying to figure it out. Mm-hmm.
01:01:00
Patrick Abure
Yeah, something like that.
01:01:02
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. So the good thing is that at least you take the steps forward. You don't just, you know.
01:01:07
Patrick Abure
Yes.
01:01:08
Kimaru
um Okay.
01:01:09
Patrick Abure
Small steps. Baby steps.
01:01:11
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
01:01:12
Patrick Abure
Yeah. as long as As long as you're moving.
01:01:14
Kimaru
Interesting. interesting
01:01:15
Patrick Abure
i think there's a guy who said that you should keep moving.
01:01:20
Patrick Abure
if If you're not running, you should be, what, walking?
01:01:21
Kimaru
ah
01:01:26
Kimaru
who
01:01:27
Patrick Abure
If you're not walking, you should be crawling. And then if you're not crawling, you should do something. There's a guy...
01:01:34
Kimaru
yeah just keep moving at the end of the day
01:01:36
Patrick Abure
Yes. The goal is to keep moving.
01:01:40
Kimaru
No, I agree with you honestly. Yeah, I think that's that's actually very true when you're finding your purpose or trying to find it and pursue it.
01:01:46
Patrick Abure
Mm-hmm.
01:01:48
Patrick Abure
Mm-hmm.
01:01:48
Kimaru
You have to just keep trying until you figure it out.
01:01:51
Kimaru
Like there was this video I was watching today. of a guy here in Kenya who gives advice on um skills that people should actually pursue.
01:01:54
Patrick Abure
Mm-hmm.
01:02:02
Kimaru
And especially he talks a lot about graphic design, web design, and stuff like that. So he says when he was trying to build his personal brand online, he's also a comedian. So he thought that he would get numbers and whatever by doing a bit of skits and all that.
01:02:11
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
01:02:18
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
01:02:19
Kimaru
But what happened was he was just getting a bit of the numbers on social media, but that wasn't also adding up to the purpose.
01:02:26
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
01:02:29
Kimaru
like What he wanted was to push his brand and help people sort of navigate, learn these skills and maybe gain employment and stuff like that.
01:02:42
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
01:02:42
Kimaru
So for him, the skills were just a distraction, but they were not helping him achieve
01:02:47
Kimaru
his purpose so and he had to um he had to stop doing the skits now and focus on now building the like the brand how did he want people to perceive him or the or his brand and where did he want to see that go and right now he's actually a big shot like people when you hear his name you associate him with that specific thing
01:02:58
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
01:03:10
Patrick Abure
Oh, that's fantastic. What's his name?
01:03:13
Kimaru
he's called elvis
01:03:14
Patrick Abure
Oh, that's nice.
01:03:16
Kimaru
Yeah.
01:03:18
Patrick Abure
will check him out.
01:03:19
Kimaru
Yes, yes, please. Yeah. So how can somebody connect purpose to service?
01:03:21
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
01:03:26
Kimaru
Like, for example, for you, ah you've connected your purpose to serving people. How can people connect purpose to such serving, whether it's people or whatever they want to serve?
01:03:38
Patrick Abure
Honestly, i feel that connecting purpose to service is just natural.
01:03:47
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
01:03:49
Patrick Abure
It's very, very natural in the sense, for me, I feel like inherent in purpose is service.
01:03:56
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Ah. Oh, that's like the bottom line.
01:04:00
Patrick Abure
da That is how I look at it.
01:04:03
Kimaru
Uh-huh.
01:04:03
Patrick Abure
Yeah, like, because think about so many people that
01:04:05
Kimaru
Okay.
01:04:10
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
01:04:12
Patrick Abure
have found their purpose. You will notice most of them, most of them connect into service.
01:04:15
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
01:04:23
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
01:04:24
Patrick Abure
At least like, I don't know, a lot of them. Yeah. whether it what Whether it is building, for example, the skills of people, the goal is that it ends up being a form of maybe these people are serving others or something like that.
01:04:34
Kimaru
who her
01:04:45
Patrick Abure
whether it being building maybe a product, the goal is that whatever that product is, would be able to satisfy the needs of people.
01:04:45
Kimaru
Mhm
01:04:54
Kimaru
Mhm Mhm Wow Okay
01:04:56
Patrick Abure
Service. um So I feel like inherent in purpose is service.
01:05:03
Kimaru
who
01:05:05
Kimaru
who
01:05:06
Patrick Abure
Yeah. Yeah.
01:05:08
Kimaru
wow okay
01:05:09
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
01:05:12
Kimaru
And also, I think it still goes back to what you had said earlier on, like when trying to find your purpose, like what is that thing you see is maybe going wrong somewhere and you feel like it shouldn't be working like that.
01:05:16
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
01:05:24
Kimaru
You feel like that need oh finding a solution for it. So, yeah.
01:05:30
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
01:05:31
Kimaru
Interesting. Interesting.
01:05:32
Patrick Abure
Yeah.
01:05:32
Kimaru
Okay.
01:05:32
Patrick Abure
Because i I feel like
01:05:35
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
01:05:36
Patrick Abure
you're unless and Unless, God forbid, your purpose is really anti-human, I really see that whatever the purpose is would, in one way or the other, help make human life better.
01:05:44
Kimaru
Uh-huh. Mm-hmm.
01:05:54
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
01:06:00
Kimaru
That's true. I agree with you, honestly.
01:06:01
Patrick Abure
Yeah, unless you're... Yeah. Anti-human.
01:06:07
Kimaru
ah
01:06:11
Kimaru
Wow. Hmm. you've really said interesting things like you've already you've you know you've already touched on your purpose specifically as patrick you've also talked about like how people can find their purpose which includes them reflecting on like the things that interest them maybe like their passions uh overcoming self-doubt accepting that sometimes uh
01:06:28
Patrick Abure
Yeah. Yeah.
01:06:34
Patrick Abure
Yeah. Yeah.
01:06:37
Kimaru
your purpose can change or evolve and all these amazing things.
01:06:39
Patrick Abure
yeah
01:06:41
Kimaru
Wow. That's really interesting. So what would be like, what would be the key takeaway that you would want anybody listening to this episode or watching us to take away from this conversation? And I'm really glad that you actually found your purpose and you're pursuing it honestly, diligently. And people should actually also, before you answer, they should check out jobs to apply if they are looking for non-profit jobs ah opportunities and also there is fellowships and grants and all these amazing things over there yeah and also the ones who need like services like a website designed for them they should check Wani yeah I think we'll put them on the link on the description especially on our YouTube channel so that people can check that out but so what would be like the one thing that you or a few things that you want people to take from this discussion today
01:07:21
Patrick Abure
Yeah, yeah.
01:07:28
Patrick Abure
Yes.
01:07:37
Patrick Abure
Honestly,
01:07:41
Patrick Abure
i think it would be... um
01:07:43
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
01:07:44
Patrick Abure
for people to stay open, stay open, stay curious and keep growing because purpose isn't about finding a perfect answer or finding all the answers.
01:07:48
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
01:07:52
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
01:08:00
Kimaru
Okay.
01:08:04
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
01:08:04
Patrick Abure
I think for me, it's about learning.
01:08:06
Patrick Abure
It's about trying and failing and learning and failing and learning like that.
01:08:07
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
01:08:11
Kimaru
Mm.
01:08:13
Patrick Abure
and And through that experience, growing every single day.
01:08:14
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
01:08:19
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
01:08:22
Patrick Abure
I think for me, um that is like something so, so important. And maybe... Another thing is for someone to understand that no purpose is too small.
01:08:38
Kimaru
o
01:08:39
Patrick Abure
Oh, one is more value than others.
01:08:43
Patrick Abure
Purpose is purpose.
01:08:43
Kimaru
The other, yes.
01:08:45
Patrick Abure
Yeah. um if If what you do helps even one person, it matters and it is worth doing it.
01:08:45
Kimaru
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
01:08:52
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Yes. Mm-hmm.
01:08:55
Patrick Abure
Yeah. So for me, I would think that really it's basically for people to keep, you know, doing that. And
01:09:04
Patrick Abure
if if you feel like you've lost your purpose, although I do not want to use that word, if you have found a new path, your purpose appears to have evolved.
01:09:09
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
01:09:14
Kimaru
Yeah.
01:09:16
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
01:09:21
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
01:09:21
Patrick Abure
I think... you know, take one small step forward, you know, and and find another way.
01:09:27
Kimaru
Mm-hmm.
01:09:28
Patrick Abure
Yeah, I think, yeah, and that would be it for me.
01:09:29
Kimaru
Yeah.
01:09:32
Patrick Abure
Like, honestly. Yeah. But I think most important.
01:09:38
Kimaru
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
01:09:43
Kimaru
Uh-huh.
01:09:45
Patrick Abure
I feel that No matter where you are in life, your purpose keeps unfolding.
01:09:53
Kimaru
Uh-huh.
01:09:55
Patrick Abure
It keeps changing. It keeps evolving. It grows as you grow. So keep growing, keep learning, and of course never stop believing your impact matters or what you do matters.
01:10:09
Kimaru
hit
01:10:13
Patrick Abure
That's important. Yeah.
01:10:13
Kimaru
Yeah, that's true.
Conclusion and Encouragement
01:10:16
Patrick Abure
Yeah, that would be it.
01:10:16
Kimaru
Wow.
01:10:18
Kimaru
Damn. Okay, interesting. Wow. No purpose is still small, ladies and gentlemen. And whatever it is that ignites your heart on fire, pursue it diligently and make a difference your big or small way, whichever it works.
01:10:36
Kimaru
Yeah, so thank you so much for joining us, Patrick, and for giving us a very thought-provoking conversation and your insights into the topic and also sharing your personal experience with finding your purpose.
01:10:41
Patrick Abure
You're welcome.
01:10:53
Kimaru
You're doing amazing, and I'm proud of you. And people should also, by the way, in terms of purpose, you should also go listen to his other episode on quitting his family business.
01:11:04
Kimaru
and starting a nonprofit, which is part his purpose. It's very, very interesting conversation that I'm sure will inspire you and spark some interest in you to take action and pursue your dreams and make an impact in your community or even in your own personal life, honestly.
01:11:25
Kimaru
Yeah, so thank you for tuning in, for following us on all our social media platforms and for engaging with us. If this episode sparked something new, don't forget to subscribe, leave a review, and share with someone who needs a little inspiration.
01:11:40
Kimaru
Also, follow us on all our social media platforms at the Spark It podcast. See you next time on Spark It podcast.
01:11:47
Patrick Abure
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