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The Next Phase of Web3 with J.D. Salbego
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J.D. Salbego is the Founder/CEO of Moonstax, a next-gen platform to build, run and scale Web3 metaverse businesses. Before Moonstax, he founded AnRKey X, a top Polygon GameFi studio with 5 x #1 NFT Sales on Rarible, $70M+ TVL in game tokens, numerous industry top chart positions and was one of the first to innovate GameFi back in 2020.
Over the span of his 8+ year career in Web3, he’s helped numerous blockchain startups and companies all over the world from gaming, NFTs and metaverse, to DeFi protocols, crypto exchanges, digital assets funds and more. J.D. has been fortunate to have spearheaded projects and worked with some of the biggest blockchain & crypto asset leaders, who have collectively raised and generated over $2 billion.
In addition to being a Web3 startup mentor of renowned global accelerator Techstars and Block Dojo, he is also a contributor at Cointelegraph.com and a member of their Innovation Circle for Web3 experts. As a Web3 subject matter expert, he has spoken and been a featured keynote speaker at 45+ conferences worldwide covering topics such as NFTs, Metaverse, Gaming, Blockchain & Web3. Apart from this, his work has been featured in NASDAQ, Forbes, Entrepreneur and Business Insider to name a few.
Follow him on twitter to see his latest company news and learn about Web3, NFTs, gaming and the metaverse @jdsalbego
If you want to know more about J.D. or watch his speaking videos check out his website jdsalbego.com
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Transcript
Introducing Otterly Awesome Talks with JD Salbego
00:00:07
Speaker
Hello everyone and welcome to the Otterly Awesome Talks brought to you by The Laughing Otter. And today we got one of the pioneers of Web3 on our podcast today. We got J.D. Salbego, the founder of Moonstacks, which is a very, very successful platform to manage your Web3 projects, metaverses, everything.
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is touching it. So there's few people in this space that I've met that are more knowledgeable than JD, and I'm super excited to learn more from them today. Welcome to the show, JD.
00:00:51
Speaker
Hey, thank you very much for having me and thank you for all those kind words, Jeff. Quite flattering. Almost blushed a little bit as you're doing the intro for me. Well, it's well deserved. Anyways, yeah, thanks for having me. Excited to have a chat.
Global Insights and 2024 Predictions
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Speaker
Yeah, that's great. I think we were talking just off the line here. I think you and I have the,
00:01:20
Speaker
a bit of what Web3 is all about. Like you're from the U.S., living in Singapore. Now we're recording this. You're back in Miami for a little bit and then off other parts of the world. I'm Canadian, living in Australia, dealing with people all over the world. And it's one of the exciting things about Web3. Where do you see us heading? 2024 I think is going to be super interesting for us all.
Market Recovery and Bull Run Forecasts
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Speaker
Yeah, you know, I'm excited for the markets to return. I'm sure most people in, you know, blockchain and crypto web three are as well. It's been a kind of a brutal, you know, little over a year and a half. I think we're at a very interesting point now.
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you know, with this industry, the technology, the products and stuff. And yeah, I think it's, I think it's just gonna be interesting. I think it's gonna be, I feel like it's gonna be a,
00:02:25
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a bull run like we've never seen before in our industry. And I'm not saying like a wow factor we've never seen before. I think it'll definitely be great. And it very much might be a wow factor with all the traditional capital that's going to be deployed now, right? And finally unlocked with the ETFs and stuff. But you know,
00:02:56
Speaker
How did history repeats itself and through a lot of negative things,
Human Nature in Economic Cycles
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right? You have that famous saying, you know, through order comes out of chaos. Well, in physics, it's both ways, right? But you get my point, right? Yes. People learn, you know, with great problems, you know, great things come out of it because of the problems, right? Solutions, this and that. And I think we're at another place in the industry after
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You know, this is basically the third, right? A real bull run that we'll be coming up to, you know, from the ICOs to the pre, the pre really big bull run of 21, which started with like what we called D5 summer, right? And about late summer of 20 is when it really, we came out of that first bear, you know? And we've learned a lot, well,
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Not everyone has learned, and human beings are notoriously greedy and narcissistic just by nature. Not all, but a lot as history has
Substance Over Speculation in Web3
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proven. So everything we've seen happen in our industry is just history repeating itself for the past couple thousand years since there was some kind of active trading. I guarantee people were stealing pebbles and shells.
00:04:20
Speaker
Back in the day and scamming and you know, but you know, we've gone through these phases like the ICO boom was 100% pure pure speculation. Like there was nothing there. There was white papers. Honestly, granted, we had a lot of these big chains that came out of that era, but outside of the aetheriums and the pardonos and file coins.
00:04:44
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it was like almost pure speculation with no substance almost. Then the last one, obviously heavy speculation, but there is a lot more substance. And we saw what happened with the amount of fraud that happened last year and carelessness and stuff.
Challenges in Exchanges and DeFi
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And I think we're at a point now where
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we see, okay, well, the exchanges, as we've all known, are BS majority of them, right? There's probably, I mean, I want to go into that publicly in my opinion, but, you know, there's probably, it's only a few, right? I would ever put my money into, you know what I mean? And DeFi as great as it is, is still extremely new with so many problems, right? From bridge hacks to regular contract and other hacks.
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Speaker
to other types of exploits. And then the user experience overall is just absolutely horrible. Gaming faced its own challenges. And where we're at now is there's people are waking up like, OK, man, enough is enough of this complexity. The whole complexity thing with our industry
The Role of Regulation in Web3
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was almost like a self-serving prophecy. If I could be frank, it was kind of reminiscent of Wall Street.
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you know, creating these financial products and then explaining them in such a complicated way that it made the consumer or customers feel like idiots and also created the perception of, oh my God, it's so complicated. It must be incredible. That's why these guys are the experts, right?
00:06:29
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So crypto is the Tories for that, this industry, right? The chain, the technology, and it was a self-serving prophecy basically to be able to raise capital, right? To actually go to market and do it. And then the technology within the market across speculation of, you know, tokens in the market, right? Then from a retail side and a trader side, that prophecy had to keep going.
00:06:52
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because the more cool and complicated and futuristic was, the more bullish the perception was on the retail traders, right? So we're getting to a point now where it's like, okay, man, we've been around now a bunch of years doing this all of us. There's no fucking users, excuse my French, there's no users in our industry. No, and you're absolutely right. And what this whole idea of self self regulating, it doesn't work anywhere.
00:07:20
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It's the equivalent of, all right, let's build cars, but let's not put any road rules in. And so unless you put rules and regulation in place, people are going to exploit it and it's chaos. It doesn't work. Like I've traveled a lot in my life, been fortunate to do that. There are certain countries you go to where road rules are just a suggestion.
00:07:50
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And traffic is a standstill because nobody can get around, but then you go to other countries where there are strict rules, same volume of traffic, but it moves relatively efficiently because the rules are in place. It goes back to economics with the idea of transaction costs and ease of trading.
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for markets to work, you need rules in place so everybody's playing on the same playing field. And I think that's what's the silver lining to everything that's happened over the last year and a half is that real businesses with real solutions are emerging. And I think it's gonna benefit everybody.
Legitimate Business Models in Web3
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Yeah, we're definitely headed there.
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Yeah, I mean, again, the only mass adoption our industry has had has been money still to this date. You know, it's just money. It's whether it's a payment or DeFi or C5, right? It's just that's the only mass adoption we've had.
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and yeah we had a little a little hype with the NFT and gaming side but we you know that was built but by the way again that was purely built off of it motivated by money again right it was speculative and I was by the way I was in that industry so I'm not hating on anyone I'm just stating the facts right that was purely motivated by speculation either playing games to earn buying NFTs to trade and earn
00:09:25
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that were gaming or art, profile pics, and it was all speculative, right? Again, it's only money, so there's still no users anywhere else.
Maturity Beyond Hype in Web3
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So we're at this point now where it's like, okay,
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you know, the industry is talking, it's waking up a lot of people and we're really, you know, it's trying to work on real solutions now to get rid of this complexity. You know, I think, you know, the markets are adopted now, the VCs, sorry, not adopted, are mature more now, right? It's a real industry. So we are now able to get out of that self-serving prophecy to a certain degree, where we don't have to sound so cool and complicated, right? And futuristic.
00:10:06
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where we can raise money, right? Now we just need to actually build products that aren't usable and that people want to use, right? Yeah, I think that's exactly where we're heading. But on the money side, I do think that there's one huge opportunity on a global scale and which will help mass adoption is
00:10:34
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the ability for startups to crowdfund at that early stage and fill the void where angels, VCs, incubators have vacated a long time ago, where it's that first couple hundred grand to a million dollars that you need to get your ID off the ground. But it has to be done in a way that there's like
00:11:04
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There's one project that I always reference that just irks me. It's a project that raised a bunch of money with the claim that they're gonna buy an MBA team, but they're never going to. So it's these hollow promises to the community that's gotta go away. It's real businesses. And if real businesses raise money this way and the rules are in place, then it opens up the whole market
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for any kind of business to use the web3 world and this great technology to raise money, whether it's a restaurant, a fashion brand, an event, whatever. And I think that's where there's a real opportunity, but it's gotta be real businesses. It can't be, oh, we're going to buy an MBA team. No, you won't.
00:12:04
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The NBA won't let you, they're not gonna sell an NBA team to a Dow. There's too many gatekeepers to ever allow that to happen. But there are a lot of projects that I'm seeing now that are raising money through Web3 and building Web3 communities that actually have legitimate business models.
Regulation's Impact on Crypto
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And that's- Yeah, I've always agreed and believed in what that benefits of Web3 and stuff was that aspect as well. And I do agree on the rules and even more regulation than there is now with it, though it's definitely gotten better, right? So it's moved in a lot of ways in the countries that did actually regulate
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or at least not care and talk about it, but not regulated. Obviously, we're not talking about the US, but crowdfunding ICOs that went to IEOs. So the liability in a lot of ways went to the exchanges or the platforms that were supposed to be doing a due diligence on the projects. Granted, that's still not the best
00:13:29
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The best way but it's definitely a better right and I think it's getting better every day though there's still a lot of you know platforms out there we have IDOs which is the initial DEX offering.
00:13:41
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in those decentralized exchanges that host those are just technology providers, which like Uniswap, right, they're just a service layer. So there still is, you know, like in decentralized finance, you know, like there was people, a bunch of investors tried to sue Uniswap, right, because some projects rugged them. And then Uniswap obviously won because, you know, they're not,
00:14:04
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It's an open source, open platform, right? So they're not responsible. They're not saying they're not, um, there's no compliance level or anything with the, anyone can list and make a pool right on you to swap or any of those. Right. So it's a, it's a growing, it's a growing phase for sure.
Tech Needs Rules: A Web3 Perspective
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And I think it's getting better, you know, every day. For sure. Yeah. And one thing I think the web three has done is it's opened.
00:14:31
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Um, a lot of conversations around tech in general, uh, where we just need to, there needs to be rules in place. We for some reason, well, I know what the reason is. It's money. Um, Silicon Valley to use that metaphorically has gotten just a free pass to do it ever at once with no ramifications to like real world outcomes. And that's everything from social media, AI.
00:15:01
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there are negatives to these things. And if there's not rules in place, and disallowing founders to police themselves, they're not going to. And what happened with FTX and Binance and a lot of other of these projects, it opened up conversations around tech in general. That's very much needed.
00:15:29
Speaker
All of that, what's happened over the last couple of years is all, well, we're at a crossroads. It's either going to really, really help us or it's going to be a dark period for us. But I, I'm an optimist. I think it's going to, everything's going to turn in the right direction. Yeah. Yeah. A hundred percent. But you know, some of the stuff you're saying kind of reminded me of our financial institutions in America. So yeah.
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the the
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uh you know i don't know if the word start but whatever the the extreme regulation and then the people that control it and somehow can bypass it right with with too big to fail issues and and little hand slaps right and fines right when you look at like Jamie Dimon right basically telling Congress and Warren right um you know
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that's
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public announcement or anything leading up to it, then out of the blue, JP Morgan launches his own blockchain network, right? You see, you know, if you're not, if you're, if you have at least a 41 IQ, you should be able to see the writing on the wall, right? With this whole system and that system, right? It's complete. It's banksters, right? I just did a post on LinkedIn about
Transparency vs. Accountability in Finance
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it. I did a
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the the the
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Speaker
Granted, there's a lot of good in them, but man, you know, the 2008 crash, that was like the biggest scam on earth by our financial institutions. You know, that was why Bitcoin was born, basically, right? Yeah. And we're all it's it was the there was political and economic decisions made during the late night or the late part of the last decade.
00:18:07
Speaker
That is the reason why anybody with a mortgage right now is cringing. It's the same bullshit that happens. And we keep accepting it. They did it here in Australia. They had a big banking commission. And of course, they spent millions on doing this big banking review. And some of the banks got just roasted with
00:18:38
Speaker
Well, what essentially is criminal activity, but nobody went to jail, no board member, like nothing. At the worst case scenario, they got a nice golden handshake. Thank you very much.
Scapegoating in Finance
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Speaker
Here's your multiple, multiple million dollar payout. Just go away, be quiet for a few days or for six months and then go get another CEO job at,
00:19:08
Speaker
another fortune 500 company and do the same thing. Like there's no, there's no, that's, that's fundamentally the problem is there's no ramifications for, for acting the way that you do, which it's in a way that what's happening with Binance and FTX. Um, I like seeing people held accountable for what they're doing, but, but sadly it's, it's a convenient way.
00:19:38
Speaker
for the policymakers to divert attention from the old school money that really controls things. And then they can go, hey, look, we're protecting you from yourselves and we'll make scapegoats out of these folks. And they're easy targets. One guy's a young guy, a little bit.
00:20:06
Speaker
off center in his personality. Another guy is, you know, is easily, you know, he's got his own stereotypes associated with him. And then so- I think you were tiptoeing around that one, trying to figure out a way to see. Yeah, like, yeah, it's easy for the white males to
00:20:35
Speaker
to promote their racist views and let's make scapegoats out of them, but we won't shine any light on the fact that we all invested in those companies and we were a big part of it too, but like nobody at the big VC firms will get touched. And even though they were all just as guilty, they're,
00:21:04
Speaker
So yeah, it's just, in one way it's good. Well, you look at the finance man, that's like one of the biggest finds in US history.
00:21:13
Speaker
You know what I mean? And I'm not saying what he did is right. Is it real? Is he a criminal? Is he good? All I'm talking about is the fine amount. You know what I mean? The fine amount. You know what I mean? When honestly, if you look at Binance as a whole, yeah, okay, they did all this stuff. Maybe they were watch trading.
00:21:38
Speaker
maybe they were laundering, um, terrorist money or this and that. But if you look other than that stuff, which is bad, right? If they're doing it, no investors got hurt. Yeah. Let's be real. No retail got damaged, right? People weren't out on the streets homeless because of finance. Like they were because of our financial government in 2008. Yeah. That's, that's the thing. Like when, when the,
00:22:08
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I can't remember his name, but when the, um, uh, when the CEO or, um, of Wells Fargo is standing in front of the Senate committee, like, how is he not in jail? Like how is, and nothing, absolutely nothing happened to him. Um, and it's, yeah, it's just crazy.
00:22:34
Speaker
It's why they're banksters, man. So it's a balance again, right? We need regulation to certain degrees. Um, you know, I feel like it's just going to be this like good versus evil and both sides are good and evil, right? It's always going to be this way for the rest of mankind, right? It's always going to be this. Well, so hopefully we get better on both sides, at least a little bit better. Right. And what I would like to see.
00:23:01
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And it's ironic, capitalists always argue against regulation, but one of the core fundamentals of capitalism is an even playing field. If you want a free market, that's fine, but everybody's got to be playing by the same rules. So you can't have certain rules for certain individuals. If you're a true capitalist, then what happens on Wall Street should have,
00:23:31
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should happen everywhere or vice versa. You know, like it's almost like like you watch an NBA game. It's very clear that certain players have a lot more leeway when it comes to traveling and palming the ball and all that kind of stuff. Well, that's fine when it's entertainment, but it's it's not fine when it's you know, the rules that affect you and I are not the same rules of the people who artificially keep people down.
00:24:00
Speaker
and make it impossible to move up in the world because they're constantly getting hit by these really bad decisions that are made and actions of people who are just never held accountable. So it's... Yeah. And that's the world we live in. It certainly is. But I think we're getting better at it.
00:24:30
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The last 10, 12, 15 years, really since 2008, and then it just accelerated over the last 10 years, conversations that should have happened 500, 1,000 years ago are finally happening.
Web3 as a Catalyst for Change
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And it's actually one of the biggest things that
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attracted me to Web3 is it's not really the technology that excites me is that there's a whole lot of people like you and I who just believe that the world needs to be kinder, fairer, safer, cleaner for everyone. And Web3 is just, it's a good catalyst to make that change happen. So I think that I don't, if we didn't have 2008 onwards, I don't think Web3
00:25:26
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would be as big as it is. I've said this for a while now. Web 3 feels more like a, it feels as much like the civil rights anti-war movement of the sixties. It does .com. It's just, it's like the hippies were armed with trillions of dollars. That's what it feels like to me. Like it's people, people are anything that's
00:25:55
Speaker
disruptive challenges, conventional thinking, challenges the traditional institutions that make it tough for us all. Yeah, that's what's really exciting about Web3. So. Yeah, definitely. Sorry, go. I was going to ask, like, I know you were pretty active in the metaverse world.
Metaverse: Hype vs. Reality
00:26:22
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for a while. Do you still see that as having relevance right now? Yeah, but different, you know, and less hype, you know, less hype, different, you know. A lot of that was just, God, I mean, 21 was just interesting to watch. I mean, it wasn't just Web 3, but it was just the traditional markets too, right? Yeah. And then you had some of these big
00:26:49
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traditional, you know, corpse and leaders like Zuckerberg and stuff like that, who really jumped on, you know, the Web3 bandwagon too, and the narrative of Metaverse just took over, right? So, yeah, I think that hype is gone, the way it was spun out.
00:27:10
Speaker
But the metaverse is very real. But as you saw in so many discussions and news articles, the metaverse is anything. In my opinion, social media is a metaverse. I mean, what is a metaverse? Something digital and an experience, right? That is core. If we take away everything else, it's digital. We know that. And there's a digital experience.
00:27:37
Speaker
So what is the metaverse? All right, well, video games are one of the biggest drivers of what we call a metaverse because it's digital and you're having experience and a lot of people are connecting and there's products, et cetera. Well, okay, then you have VR, AR, but those are more future
00:27:54
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you know types of products that are still not great right to interact with right so uh where do we go from here you know obviously i do believe do i believe everything is going to be the metaverse like something will say no way i mean i'm not going to be sitting in the metaverse and i don't think a lot of people will be i like to touch human beings
00:28:16
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You know what I mean? Yeah, absolutely. I don't have a wife now, but I would rather be with my physical wife than my digital wife, right? So I think there'll be there'll be limits if you know what I mean, right? We'll use it for education, movies, you know, doctors, medical stuff.
00:28:32
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teaching seminars, video games. I'm sure there'll be a whole, you know, we obviously already know that there's going to be a whole porn industry around it because it's already the VR stuff that's pretty big on that already. I just read and heard not from experience, but you know, so like.
00:28:47
Speaker
Yeah, it's just it's just going to be I think what it is is that the metaverse became like almost like a self-fulfilling prophecy itself. Right. So it's going to be broken down to what it was for that and just the products and then it'll get tossed around. Well, this is the metaverse is the our thing, but it'll just be more. Well, we got video games like Roblox. This is the metaverse. Then we have VR. Well, experience a metaverse type that, you know, it won't just be this huge gigantic
00:29:16
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hype bubble, right? Yeah. It was crazy. Some of this stuff. I was at a conference here in Australia and it was a gaming company who built this metaphor and they had $500 million in a bank in cash that they did not. And they, they showcased their game and the extent of the game was this, you could drive a truck around this virtual world.
00:29:44
Speaker
But that was it. Like you couldn't do anything. And then you got other metaverses where people have bought tons of virtual real estate and an advertising space. But nobody goes there. Like they get a few thousand users a month and you'd be better off buying a billboard in the middle of the Australian Outback. So yeah, it's.
00:30:08
Speaker
Yeah, it'd be interesting. And I think both with AR and AI and Web 3, it's finding use cases that actually solve a problem that people want to solve.
Real-World AR and AI Applications
00:30:23
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I know when Apple launched their viewers, and I watched the video on it, and it was really well done, obviously, video, but every use case was like,
00:30:38
Speaker
Who in the world would do that? Like I'm going to, I'm going to run around the house to try and find my, my goggles. So, or my glasses or whatever you call them. And so I can go get a snack from the pantry. Like I'll just go and go into the pantry and decide what I want.
00:30:56
Speaker
Yeah, it's definitely early a lot of that stuff, you know, but it's it's all exciting like they're like people it really is. You know, it's really exciting is this has been going on for a bunch of years now is people building this like advertising layer, right? And I've seen people try to do in web three and then just the regular web two industries and stuff.
00:31:16
Speaker
is this digital advertising layer laid on top of maps, right? And that ties into the whole metaverse you can visualize, right? So let's just say you do have your Google glasses on, right? And you're, you know, driving on the street and you're you have the map going, you're going to your destination. And, you know, you'll have advertising space being sold there, right? On locations, right?
00:31:39
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IP addresses, etc. And, you know, I used to have a friend who was building that I haven't talked in like three years, I should follow up. And he got a big grant from the government of Singapore to, you know, and he wasn't doing the Google Glass, that was just me adding into the more fun story. But that that is really interesting to me. And I do believe
00:31:57
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you know the minority report like you know human beings like so much of the sci-fi stuff we dreamed up and made movies about has actually happened right and i do believe all that stuff will be there you know it's just it's just a time right it's a time that takes for like you said no one wants to put those stupid glasses on
00:32:14
Speaker
And most people don't want to wear VR headphones, even to experience it for an hour. It's not worth it, right? You know, so once the products become, you know, like an easier, more comfortable, you know, have a more comfortable usage experience, then yeah, of course, man. I mean, I believe in all that stuff where we're, there's tons of things going on by little retinas being built on like contact lenses. That stuff's been done by like scientists and government agencies for years already. I was reading about that like 10 years ago, 15 years ago.
00:32:43
Speaker
Scientific America, like we're getting there. But, but again, we on the other side, we do need speculation, right? All industries are born out of speculation. So, you know, you know, there is bad stuff that comes or less than great stuff that comes with speculation, but it's crucial, you can't have an industry start without speculation, right? Yeah, that's right. And every major, like,
00:33:11
Speaker
everything from nobody ever, everybody thought the Wright brothers were nuts. And there, there were lots of people who said TV was not going to last more than a month or two that it's a fad. Nobody will ever use microwaves. Like all these kinds of credit cards, the internet. Yeah. So no, I agree. And it's, it's an exciting place to be.
Tech Boom's Legacy in Global Attitudes
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And, and one thing that the nineties really accelerated is
00:33:41
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And that it created a global attitude towards technological advancement that I don't think we had before. It's just, it's part of everyday conversation now. Whether you're in this, whether you're a founder or startup or like a tech person, even people who aren't in this space talk about
00:34:07
Speaker
technology as a good thing and change is a good thing. So yeah, and I think Web3 is focusing on a lot of the right areas. I don't think they've found the solutions yet, but at least they're trying. They're trying to help the unbanked. They're trying to clean up supply chains. They're trying to make banking fairer, all of that kind of stuff.
00:34:34
Speaker
It's all stuff that we need. So yeah, it's great stuff.
Exciting Future Projects for 2024
00:34:38
Speaker
So what's 2004 got in store for you specifically? Anything exciting to share with what you're doing? There is, but I can't share about it yet. We got some really great stuff I've been working on behind the scenes. So I'm pretty excited for 2024.
00:34:58
Speaker
A lot of things, yeah. It's really good. I'm just, I'm pumped. We'll have to have you back on when you can't announce it and for sure I'll do, I'll plug it when I can. Where can people find you if they want to find you?
00:35:16
Speaker
Um, you can find me on, um, very active on LinkedIn and somewhat
Connect with JD Salbego
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active on Twitter. And it's just my, uh, name on both of those JD sal bagel, as it's spelled out on Twitter at JD sal bagel. And same thing on LinkedIn. You can find me there or go on my website, JD sal bagel.com. Awesome. I think this had been a really, um, enjoyable conversation. Um, I hope everybody else enjoyed it. Uh, there a lot of, a lot of stuff to think.
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talk about, think about, and I think we're headed in a great direction. So thanks for being on the show. Hey, likewise. Thank you very much for having me. It was fun. All right. Well, thanks for everyone.
Podcast Outro and Follow-up
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And remember, we all should be having a lot more fun. Thanks for listening and we'll talk soon.