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E59: Two April Fools
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We missed last week because we were both off galavanting around the country. Come listen in to all the happenings!
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Denis Tyrell of Tyrell Knifeworks:
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Transcript
Podcast Introduction and Banter
00:00:07
Denis Tyrell
Thank you.
00:00:15
Denis Tyrell
yo hello everybody welcome to the triple t for knife makers podcast and jared is a jerk as usual trying to mess with me i am your host dennis trail trail knifeworks and i have my goofball friend jared sandoval of echo blades and we we haven't even spoken now what it's been like six days or something at least
00:00:33
echo_blades
but
00:00:40
echo_blades
Yeah, I think we had a one FaceTime call and then like a quick check-in over the weekend, but it was me basically calling to bust your balls.
00:00:47
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
00:00:50
Denis Tyrell
Right. That's right.
Apology and Missing Episode Humor
00:00:53
Denis Tyrell
we We didn't have an episode last week, so this one might be a long one.
00:00:57
echo_blades
ah Yeah. And then our sincere apologies for our seven people that were, you know, forced to Sit in silence because I know they don't support any other podcast. Like some dedicated listeners.
00:01:10
Denis Tyrell
I was with one of those listeners, so, you know, there was only six that were missing me.
00:01:12
echo_blades
Yeah. up Yeah. I was with one too. So ah five.
00:01:20
Denis Tyrell
That's right.
00:01:20
echo_blades
oh was with two.
00:01:21
Denis Tyrell
That's right.
00:01:21
echo_blades
I was with two. So it's shit. All right. Anyways. But yes. Sorry, guys. We weren't able to put that one together. But, you know, sometimes it bees that way.
00:01:32
Denis Tyrell
I thought about it just as I was packing. i thought maybe, maybe just in case I'll throw the mic. And I'm like, my my my suitcase was heavy enough with all the shit that I brought. So I didn't i like, I called, made the audible and said no.
00:01:47
Denis Tyrell
And it was probably a good thing.
00:01:47
echo_blades
Yeah. Yeah.
Washington Trip and Knife-making Class
00:01:50
Denis Tyrell
But so you left when do we want to do this chronologically day by day?
00:01:51
echo_blades
and
00:01:55
Denis Tyrell
what where do you want to start?
00:01:57
echo_blades
I don't know. At the beginning is a good place, but yeah, I like i left Sunday morning 3.30 a.m.
00:02:02
Denis Tyrell
ah
00:02:07
echo_blades
ahead.
00:02:09
Denis Tyrell
All right. So I had a couple of days on you, so I'm going to go first.
00:02:12
echo_blades
go ahead
00:02:13
Denis Tyrell
So it would have been a week ago Friday. i left for Washington. And i um it was, you know, it was like a noonish flight. So I got there.
00:02:25
Denis Tyrell
I had about a, it was almost a two-hour drive to Kalama, which is it's about an hour and an hour and 15 south of the airport. But traffic was stupid. And there was two accidents. So it took me over two hours.
00:02:41
echo_blades
What airport?
00:02:41
Denis Tyrell
But, what?
00:02:43
echo_blades
What airport?
00:02:44
Denis Tyrell
The SeaTac, Seattle-Tacoma Airport.
00:02:47
echo_blades
Okay. right.
00:02:49
Denis Tyrell
And i was going down there to see Steve Lockhart, who is a long-time viewer of mine and a fan and also listener of the podcast and also my maker spotlight for tonight, but we'll get into that.
00:03:06
Denis Tyrell
um Yeah, Steve heard that I was going to be up with Marekko and Dave, so he asked me to teach a handle ah sorry guard and handle class. So yeah I got to tell you, a beautiful.
00:03:19
Denis Tyrell
The first thing, as soon as I got there, he has the most beautiful home ah because it's way up on a hill and it looks over the Columbia River. He has this amazing view of the Columbia River.
00:03:30
Denis Tyrell
It was spectacular.
00:03:30
echo_blades
Nice. Nice.
00:03:33
Denis Tyrell
So, yeah, really nice. And, yeah, so it was cool. I got to say, it was a little weird teaching. It's the first time I've ever, like,
00:03:45
Denis Tyrell
had to like lead teach something in somebody else's shop so that was a little weird yeah like just not knowing like because i didn't i made sure i brought everything that i needed um for the course and just like using someone else's saw and someone else's drill press and you know but he did all the work it was great i just like do this do that you know and he did all the work which was great
00:03:48
echo_blades
Yeah. Yeah, that that sounds like that could be a little weird.
00:04:09
Denis Tyrell
But, um, yeah, we spent, he, things went so fast. So we, we had, I had him prep two knives, um, a, um, a buoy and a chef knife for the guards. And, we all, all but finished the first knife, like,
00:04:28
Denis Tyrell
slotted the guard, shaped the guard, slotted the handle, shaped the handle, had pretty much everything done except for glue up on the first day.
00:04:37
echo_blades
Nice.
00:04:38
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, it was awesome. He was going so fast. But yeah, as soon as I walked in the door, i will say there was two big boxes of voodoo donuts on the counter.
00:04:50
echo_blades
nice
00:04:52
Denis Tyrell
but And it was early morning, and and I said, I don't know, maybe we'll have some of those later, like at lunch or something like that. So I didn't even open them, and then it was at lunch that we busted them open, and I found the cock and balls.
00:05:06
echo_blades
Yeah, buddy.
00:05:09
Denis Tyrell
ah So, yeah, we I almost managed to finish the cock and balls, but I got down to the balls, and I couldn't do it.
00:05:17
echo_blades
same, same.
Social Media Mishap and Appreciation
00:05:19
echo_blades
It's not, it's quite the task. It's not,
00:05:25
echo_blades
it's not as pleasurable as you guys might think.
00:05:31
Denis Tyrell
ah But that was really nice of him to to go and get those. Yeah.
00:05:35
echo_blades
Yeah, I got to say, too, I got a message from him that I had no context to it. Like, I think he was kind of saying something along the lines of, like, i hope the voodoo's not out of cock and balls. And I just, I wasn't there, Steve. So my my fault on that. But because I was like, I just, like, I did that last like last time I was, you know, but I didn't even put it together that he he had got you a cock and balls. Yeah.
00:06:03
echo_blades
My bad. I missed that one. That went right over my fucking head.
00:06:06
Denis Tyrell
Jared was asleep when you texted him that.
00:06:08
echo_blades
Yeah. But when I saw the video, I must say, Terrell, I was beaming with pride in the fact that you, a you ate it.
00:06:21
echo_blades
B, you fucking took a picture and you were laughing and having a good time because... i sometimes you scare me because you're little conservative and in that realm, buddy. But I loved it, man. I laughed my ass off.
00:06:36
echo_blades
Even Lynn texted me a screenshot of the thing and she's like, what the fuck is this going on? I go, I don't know, but I am fucking proud. Look at that cock obbler go.
00:06:46
Denis Tyrell
it would get even Even Kim said, she goes, you know you know that post you just did on Instagram also went to Facebook and she was all concerned and I was like, man.
00:06:57
echo_blades
yeah It was great.
00:07:00
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, it was but it was really nice of him and he had lunch ready for us. um um Both days he made me dinner Saturday night.
00:07:09
echo_blades
Oh, that's cool.
00:07:10
Denis Tyrell
So he was a great host. So thanks, Steve.
00:07:11
echo_blades
That's awesome.
00:07:13
Denis Tyrell
And, and, and, and He sent me off with like, geez, I think it was almost five pounds of smoked salmon.
00:07:20
echo_blades
Oh, nice.
00:07:20
Denis Tyrell
So yeah, yeah, really, really good smoked salmon too.
00:07:23
echo_blades
Good.
00:07:23
Denis Tyrell
Most of it's gone and I gave one to Dave, one to Marekko, but yeah, it was good.
00:07:28
echo_blades
Yeah, that's awesome.
00:07:28
Denis Tyrell
So yeah, was really fun class with Dave, i'm sorry, with Steve. And he was a great student. I think his knife turned out amazing.
00:07:36
echo_blades
I was just about to say that thing was freaking gorgeous.
00:07:40
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, like that handle is as nice as any handle I've done on a knife. Like the shaping of it, he did a really, really good job.
00:07:45
echo_blades
Yeah.
00:07:47
Denis Tyrell
and
00:07:47
echo_blades
Yeah.
00:07:48
Denis Tyrell
Excellent choice on the colors.
00:07:50
echo_blades
Yeah.
00:07:51
Denis Tyrell
It was like, a yeah, the blue tiger maple with brass pins and brass guard.
00:07:51
echo_blades
That's the blue one, right? Yeah.
00:07:58
Denis Tyrell
It just, it really set the knife off. I think it it looked amazing.
00:08:01
echo_blades
Yeah, it looked great.
00:08:03
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, and it was super fun. So it was it was great. i had a good time.
00:08:06
echo_blades
Cool. Yeah. I've had a few conversations with him. He's a good dude, man.
00:08:09
Denis Tyrell
Yeah. Yeah.
00:08:11
echo_blades
Yeah, that's cool. Awesome.
00:08:13
Denis Tyrell
Yeah. So, and that, yeah, that got me right to Sunday night and I was driving up to Marekos, which is probably about the time you got on the plane.
00:08:14
echo_blades
and
00:08:23
echo_blades
Yeah. Yeah, I... Yeah, not so... Well, I guess... Yeah, it was just an early, early, early flight. i think we flew out at like 6.
00:08:34
echo_blades
So... 6 in the...
00:08:35
Denis Tyrell
Oh, six, and six in the morning, Sunday.
00:08:38
echo_blades
Yeah, I was...
00:08:38
Denis Tyrell
oh yeah.
00:08:39
echo_blades
Yeah, we left my house at 3.30 in the morning on Sunday morning. So it was an extremely early flight.
00:08:46
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, that was me coming back.
00:08:49
echo_blades
Yeah. Yeah, that's right, because you're... oh
00:08:56
echo_blades
i can' I can't explain what or means, but it perfectly described old rick and old man Terrell sitting at the airport.
00:09:01
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, i that's the way I felt.
00:09:05
echo_blades
What? got there Sunday. The plan was get there.
00:09:07
Denis Tyrell
So...
00:09:11
Denis Tyrell
ah so did What did you do? so You got there Sunday. Do you just like.
00:09:20
echo_blades
get there ah we landed in text this around like eleven o'clock And originally the plan was to hook up with Eric Rivers from the Rivers Experience.
00:09:33
Denis Tyrell
No, Eric, very well.
00:09:35
echo_blades
Yeah. So um unfortunately he had something come up on Friday or Saturday to where he he had to go somewhere with the family on Sunday and
Jared's Texas Travel Challenges
00:09:46
echo_blades
he wasn't um available. So that didn't work out. It was a little bit of a bummer.
00:09:51
echo_blades
But, um you know, it is what it is. You know, things happen. And um so I did contemplate um going to Micah's like I did last time and just going up for, you know, a few hours and and then shooting back. But it's not a it's it's like a an hour and a half ish drive from the airport over there.
00:10:18
echo_blades
Um, but then that would have put us back super, super late. Um, and we had to get ready for, for our class and stuff on, uh, on Monday. So that didn't work out. opted against it and kind of, it was cool. Cause I got to do some running around, but man, so I had rented a car cause generally this was a work trip predominantly, right?
00:10:43
echo_blades
So the, the things I needed the car for were for me, right. For personal use. Um, minus like an Uber back to the, to the hotel and back and stuff like that. But the the way they, the the class is set up pretty cool. the The hotel has a pretty decent breakfast in the morning.
00:11:02
echo_blades
The class fed me lunch. And then there is like some, crappy buffet type little dinner that is available at the hotel every night. So, uh, and then there's a shuttle that takes us from the hotel to the class every day.
00:11:17
echo_blades
So there really isn't a need for the, for a car.
00:11:19
Denis Tyrell
so So the company didn't pay for your car, that's you're telling me.
00:11:21
echo_blades
Yeah. Yeah. So I would, and that's what i' I'm getting at. Yeah. Cause so I was like, well, shit, I want to go see Eric. Um, and then I had, I had to go to Micah's on Friday.
00:11:34
echo_blades
So I rented a car. And which I thought was going to be just say 500 bucks, not a big deal. Um,
00:11:45
echo_blades
And then I would have the car for the week. But then when Eric kind of shifted on us um and then long story short, I ended up paying a fucking shit ton of money for this car.
00:11:56
echo_blades
Like I read the quote. I thought there was a deposit included in it. And it was it was it was it was eight hundred fucking dollars plus plus.
00:12:03
Denis Tyrell
800 bucks. That's a mine was. Okay.
00:12:07
echo_blades
And I was just like, I didn't. I just, you know, so, um, apparently car rentals have gone up since last time I did that for, for a week.
00:12:19
echo_blades
Um, but either way, it was a, it was a moment where I had to be an adult and not lose my shit at the, at the, uh, counter for the car rental. Cause I really wanted to, but, uh, it all worked out.
00:12:33
echo_blades
Um, but that leads me to my next story. And that is, that as courteous, polite, um and Texans overall, my experience has been, you know, Southern hospitality, you know, yes, sir, no, sir, hold the door, you know, the like just how they kind of act in public and in restaurants and stuff like that and all the interactions I had.
00:13:00
echo_blades
You can throw all that shit out the fucking window when they get behind
00:13:02
Denis Tyrell
yeah We're going to get all kinds of Texas hate mail now.
00:13:03
echo_blades
but they get behind When they get behind the guy, the, the, a car, a steering wheel, holy shit, they're fucking animals.
00:13:09
Denis Tyrell
but
00:13:14
echo_blades
Dennis, I swear, you know, where we live, we know how people drive around here.
00:13:17
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
00:13:19
echo_blades
No, it's like cake, like ah walk through Disneyland here.
00:13:23
Denis Tyrell
What, like aggressive drivers?
00:13:23
echo_blades
Bro, they, they don't, I mean, I ah apparently blinkers, they're like blinker blinds.
00:13:24
Denis Tyrell
What do you mean?
00:13:29
Denis Tyrell
Mm-hmm.
00:13:31
echo_blades
They don't see them. They don't use them. They're coming over. They don't give a shit. If you're there, they're not letting you in, like trying to go. And the, and the, the car rental thing, isn't really about the money.
00:13:41
echo_blades
It's, it's about the, the, the, I didn't buy this, um, toll pass thing. So they have like a toll system where you can like, uh, our fast track thing.
00:13:51
Denis Tyrell
you
00:13:53
echo_blades
But if you get on the toll, They charge you like a crazy amount of dollars, but but I was so pissed off about the, the, the money thing that I was dealing with. I was like, ah, don't want to do that until I was trying to like fucking get out of a lane that was going to push me into this toll lane. And these motherfuckers would not let me over, man.
00:14:12
echo_blades
It was, uh, the speed limits. So on the two lane road out here in the country, what's our speed limit?
00:14:20
Denis Tyrell
55 usually.
00:14:21
echo_blades
Yeah. 75. Yeah.
00:14:25
Denis Tyrell
It's not even 75
00:14:29
echo_blades
75, dude. And I'm just cruising, not paying attention. I'm like lost looking at how how beautiful the countryside is and shit. wow wow wow Dude, I was, oh man, it was hilarious, man. I just, I never felt so like out of my element until I was behind the wheel of the car.
00:14:49
echo_blades
And I got to see what, you know, a different side of, you know, what what Texas has to offer, man. Those motherfuckers are in a rush.
00:14:56
Denis Tyrell
but Which is very unlike what I typically think of Texas.
00:14:59
echo_blades
ah Same dude. Same. I was blown away, man. And maybe I was being a bitch, but it was, it was still like, you know, I was just kind of daydreaming down there and, and ah I, I tend to drive, uh, I stopped speeding and being in a rush, like for my own personal sanity, uh, you know, with not participating in, you know, just the road rage things and all that.
00:15:03
Denis Tyrell
ah
00:15:22
echo_blades
Um, like I said, for my own personal things, but, and I, dude, I couldn't, it was a trip 75 on a two lane road, 70 miles an hour, like almost everywhere.
00:15:33
echo_blades
um but yeah, though I, I laughed my ass off. I mean, a couple of times I got a little irritated, but then I realized where I was and they they probably had something I didn't in the car. And that's probably in my interest not to act like mad.
00:15:44
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
00:15:45
echo_blades
So, uh, but yeah, that, that was, that was funny. Uh, and interesting. It was a different take that, that I had not expected to say the least.
00:15:56
echo_blades
So,
00:15:57
Denis Tyrell
It was nice driving around Washington. um No issues.
00:16:01
echo_blades
right
00:16:02
Denis Tyrell
um Except for the rain. It rained like except for Tuesday. No, it rained every single day I was there. And the sun came out like Tuesday the most. I think they got up to like 70 degrees, 71 degrees on Tuesday. Other than that, it was like like pouring down rain almost every day.
00:16:22
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
00:16:23
echo_blades
Yeah, I got a, excuse me, I have a thing in there that Texas spring is, it's they're it's bipolar.
00:16:24
Denis Tyrell
So...
00:16:33
echo_blades
Like 100%. I think Jeff Carey, who I ended up ah hanging out with and having dinner with, mentioned, he's like, yeah, man, if you you come to Texas and you don't like the weather, just just hang on for 10 minutes.
00:16:44
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
00:16:45
echo_blades
and And I hadn't heard that before, but it was... like reasonably like a 60 degree days sun out really beautiful.
00:16:58
echo_blades
And then we had like three big ass thunderstorms. Um, and then it got windy as hell. Um, I saw more lightning in last week than I've seen here in the past 10, 15 years. Easy.
00:17:13
echo_blades
Like I just,
00:17:14
Denis Tyrell
that's because you're from california we don't really have electrical storms here
00:17:18
echo_blades
I know that's, that's, that's the point of me not being able to see it in 15 years. It was, it was like, Whoa, like the whole, whole sky, like the way was happening was crazy. Uh, they had like a hail storm in there. I got like a, like an Amber alert thing on my phone saying there was, we were about to get baseball sized hail coming down.
00:17:37
echo_blades
Um, and then, uh, kind of skipping ahead here, but the only day that it was 87 was the day that I was forging.
00:17:50
echo_blades
So that was, that was cool. But, uh, I ate a lot of, ate a lot of good food. Um, had some barbecue. Um, I did go to the Texas roadhouse in Texas.
00:18:03
Denis Tyrell
Oh, is it the same?
00:18:06
echo_blades
it's exactly the same.
00:18:09
Denis Tyrell
well
00:18:10
echo_blades
Apparently they made some, some change to where they don't throw the peanut shells on the ground anymore though.
00:18:16
Denis Tyrell
oh really?
00:18:16
echo_blades
Yeah. I was just kind of bummed about that, but
00:18:19
Denis Tyrell
I haven't
Advanced Knife-making Techniques with Mareko
00:18:20
Denis Tyrell
been there a few years. i don't know if they changed it everywhere.
00:18:22
echo_blades
yeah, I don't know. It's been a while for me too, but we we wanted a steak were kind of like, my my experience with steakhouses is that, the good ones are often overpriced and subpar.
00:18:35
echo_blades
Right. So I go to Texas roadhouse. and I'm pretty sure I'm going to get a decent, you know, mediocre, you know, like your middle of the road steak.
00:18:44
Denis Tyrell
sure
00:18:45
echo_blades
That's going to be good. And, and it's not too expensive. And so that's what we had and it was good, but I was just like, yeah, I'm in Texas at the Texas roadhouse. It's just like, Oh, yeah.
00:18:57
Denis Tyrell
but let's go to a taco bell in in mexico
00:19:01
echo_blades
oh No, it's completely different, dude. Because they don't have them there.
00:19:08
echo_blades
Not to be confused with the Texas steakhouse in Texas. Entirely different, but it's a chain just like that.
00:19:14
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
00:19:15
echo_blades
so But yeah, it was that was cool.
00:19:20
Denis Tyrell
yeah So yeah.
00:19:22
echo_blades
I want to hear about Mareko, though. I'll get into my shit.
00:19:24
Denis Tyrell
So Sunday night, ah Sunday dinner, like five o'clock, I head up to Morocco's, which is like now an hour, an hour drive back to Olympia. um Of course it's pissing down rain, the entire drive.
00:19:36
Denis Tyrell
um And I'm texting the whole texting him the whole way. Like, Hey, I'm, you know, just for figuring out cause he's going to meet me for dinner. And, um, and I suggested, know he's a pool player, so I suggested we go shoot some pool and he was game for that. So we met at this little brewery and had some pretty good pizza.
00:19:56
Denis Tyrell
And then we headed down and we shot some pool for a couple hours. And that was really cool just to hang out and chit chat. And we talked about business and, you know,
00:20:09
Denis Tyrell
the business of knife making and, you know, stuff like that over dinner and then just kind shot the shit over, uh, over pool. Um, I will say a rest of your listening, I did expect you to be better at pool. I got to say he was pretty good, but I mean, I've heard him say like, he's in league and all of this. And I was like, Hmm, I thought I was going to get my ass handed to me, but I beat him the first two games and I'm like, Hmm, you better, you better show up.
00:20:37
Denis Tyrell
But he did come back and win the set the the next two. So we ended up we ended up tying. I don't know why we left without ah without finishing that. But at least it'll give us something to do the next time. And we'll have a rematch.
00:20:48
echo_blades
Nice. Nice. Yeah, y'all can't be as good as me and just run run the table for for four games in a row or whatever it was.
00:20:52
Denis Tyrell
Right.
00:20:58
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, right. When slop counts, Jared's a master.
00:21:02
echo_blades
That's right, buddy. It all counts as a w yeah
00:21:05
Denis Tyrell
Yeah. um So that was cool. And then the next morning at his shop, um and I was, I'll be honest, I was a little apprehensive because the two days month i with Marekko was, and I knew this going in, it was, it's a theory course.
00:21:24
Denis Tyrell
We didn't touch any tools. We didn't turn on any grinders. It really was just a theory course about material flow and base patterns and,
00:21:36
Denis Tyrell
you know, the way metal moves and it was all about Damascus, right? It's all. and And day one was like just some mind-bending stuff, like some those aha moments when the first two hours I'm like, okay, this is amazing.
00:21:56
Denis Tyrell
Like it it just told me so much more. And he showed you think you have a lot of Jareded blades. Oh my God. You should see Mareco shop.
00:22:07
echo_blades
Oh, I am so honored.
00:22:10
Denis Tyrell
He's, he showed me how he's like, Oh yeah I got this one. And I got this one and I got this one and I got this one. And I'm looking at it like like at least three of them that I've got on the table, like from him in in front of me. And I'm like, I cannot believe you haven't finished these knives yet.
00:22:24
echo_blades
Yeah.
00:22:25
Denis Tyrell
And there's one that, um, I'm going to do this pattern, this technique. And i i but I believe that once I do a video on this technique, I think this thing is going to explode.
00:22:41
Denis Tyrell
I think everybody's going to be doing it. And there's one guy that you've seen do it a lot already, which is Gabe from Anchorage Forge.
00:22:49
echo_blades
OK. Yep. ye
00:22:51
Denis Tyrell
So there's a technique and I'm basically using gradients. in Damascus I'm not going to go and explain all that because it just I don't think it's good entertainment over the over podcast but stay tuned you're going to see videos of applying gradients to Damascus and I think this is one of those game changing techniques because Morocco handed me a random random pattern knife that he had made
00:23:22
Denis Tyrell
And I looked at it I'm like, what the fuck is this? Why does this look so amazing? And then he described it to me, and he showed me a pattern you know of how we did it.
00:23:35
Denis Tyrell
And it's incredible. So i'm of everything I took away from the those two days with Mareko, that was one of the techniques that... And he hasn't even done... hasn't finished a knife with this technique yet.
00:23:49
Denis Tyrell
Gabe has, and he's worked with Gabe on some of those patterns, but, um, I think is, is really exciting stuff. So we talked about that, um, just doing base patterns, calculating, you know, how you can make an S in, you know, so we did just some crazy cool techniques on figuring out the S and where it ends up on your pattern.
00:23:49
echo_blades
Yep.
00:24:04
echo_blades
yeah
00:24:14
Denis Tyrell
So, uh, really, really amazing stuff. Um, i We were brainstorming. I had an idea. Are you familiar with a fractal is?
00:24:24
echo_blades
one more time.
00:24:25
Denis Tyrell
A fractal? do you know what a fractal is?
00:24:27
echo_blades
I do not.
00:24:28
Denis Tyrell
So, okay, I'm going to test your your food skills. Do you know what Romanesco is? Okay.
00:24:35
echo_blades
No.
00:24:38
Denis Tyrell
It's the vegetable that's a cross between a cauliflower and a broccoli.
00:24:42
echo_blades
ah Okay. Okay.
00:24:43
Denis Tyrell
ah Okay, it's not good I'm trying to get give you something that you would understand. But a fractal is something of current nature. It's something that is, if you zoom in on it, it's infinitely repeating.
00:24:56
Denis Tyrell
but Okay, so I'll show you a picture of of a fractal and you'll get it. but um
00:25:01
echo_blades
um' um' I'm looking it up. Okay. Okay. I get it. Yes. I'm seeing it.
00:25:04
Denis Tyrell
Okay, so you you see what I mean.
00:25:06
Denis Tyrell
So I want to make a Damascus pattern that does that.
00:25:06
echo_blades
Yep.
00:25:08
echo_blades
Okay.
00:25:09
Denis Tyrell
So we were theing theorizing about how we could do a fractal Damascus pattern that just gets infinitely complex, at least approaching infinitely complex. Anyway, we talked about that.
00:25:22
Denis Tyrell
And then in day two, we started dissecting patterns. He gave me some homework to go find some patterns. And we sat there and dissected them on the board and figured out what the base pattern was.
00:25:33
echo_blades
like reverse engineered them.
00:25:34
Denis Tyrell
Reverse engineered.
00:25:35
echo_blades
Okay.
00:25:35
Denis Tyrell
Yeah. Yeah. So that was really cool. We spent most of the day on Tuesday doing that and just talking about techniques and um his updated etching process.
00:25:47
echo_blades
Oh, time out before you continue. i just looked up fractal and see a bunch of pictures. And then one of them is like, what is a simple term? And it says that in math, the fractal is a never ending pattern.
00:26:02
echo_blades
Fractals are built by repeating something over and over again.
00:26:02
Denis Tyrell
hmm.
00:26:05
echo_blades
Fractals may be created using numbers or images, but many fractals exist in nature, such as broccoli. Well, well explained, Mr. Terrell.
00:26:16
echo_blades
Thank you. I was trying my best not to call you names for asking me what the fuck a cross between the broccoli and cauliflower was, but it makes sense now.
00:26:17
Denis Tyrell
yeah
00:26:24
Denis Tyrell
well right well bra broccoli is one but romanesco definitely looks in the same with ferns are the same thing they have that fractal pattern but yes yeah so i think that would be cool so i'm working on a fractal design for damascus
00:26:26
echo_blades
Vindicate it.
00:26:32
echo_blades
gotcha okay and it makes entirely good sense now that after i'm seeing this okay all right
00:26:44
echo_blades
gotcha
00:26:45
Denis Tyrell
But he went over his etching process, which is ah slight change from the one that, um like, basically something he just discovered in the last, like, think it was like three months, that he added, which is 30-second dip before, um I got to look at my notes. I don't remember where in the sequence it is.
00:27:07
Denis Tyrell
um But he does a 30-second dip in phosphoric acid.
00:27:12
echo_blades
Nice.
00:27:12
Denis Tyrell
I think it's before the coffee, um but I have to go back to my notes. But I want to try. and I have to etch some Damascus tomorrow. So I will be trying out that that pattern tomorrow.
00:27:23
Denis Tyrell
I mean, that updated etching process. So there was like at least, you know, three or four like absolute gems that I took away from that course that, yeah, just amazing.
00:27:35
echo_blades
nice ah what what
00:27:37
Denis Tyrell
And it's
00:27:38
echo_blades
What was it like to, to, cause for, for like me, when we're talking, you know, it's always in many realms, it's always you sharing the knowledge, the experience and stuff like that.
00:27:53
echo_blades
And I'm assuming that, you know, ah not that you're like all knowing or everything, but like, it must've been a cool experience to be the sponge.
00:28:02
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
00:28:03
echo_blades
And like,
00:28:03
Denis Tyrell
And it was, it i mean, I knew a lot about, like when he would talk about, oh, this is how we do Cs and Ws. I'm like, I understood that.
00:28:09
echo_blades
I understand that. Yeah, I get that.
00:28:11
Denis Tyrell
But so that was probably like, It was mostly, it would i it with the cool part about it was, it felt like i was just hanging out with Marekko and we were just chat chit-chatting for two days and discussing Damascus patterns.
00:28:27
Denis Tyrell
And then he'd go, oh yeah, here, he'd drop a gem of like, here's how he does this technique or here's how he does this technique.
00:28:32
echo_blades
Yeah, we'll call it the we'll call it the sponge effect. But i'm I'm telling you that when you get to experience the the the sponge effect of of like, holy, like when they and it and it gets your gears going and you're you're you're all kinds of inspired.
00:28:45
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
00:28:47
echo_blades
And i think that's just the process that, you know, invigorates your your. and motivates and and puts you in there.
00:28:53
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
00:28:54
echo_blades
And I think it's cool. I like hearing that that you got to have that experience but from somebody, not that you needed ah you know a refresher in how to make Cs or Ws, but you know just those small moments where I could kind of see like, oh, like tell me more.
00:29:07
Denis Tyrell
Absolutely.
00:29:11
Denis Tyrell
And it was so like When I got back to the hotel room, I was there Monday, Tuesday. So when I got back to the hotel room Monday night, I sat down at the computer and designed that fractal pattern with like, I was like obsessed.
00:29:26
Denis Tyrell
Like I, there's no way I was going to be able to sleep without theorizing and getting something down on paper that I could talk to Morocco about Tuesday and say, Hey, what do you think about this?
00:29:26
echo_blades
Yeah.
00:29:36
Denis Tyrell
What do you think about that? What do you think about this technique? And yeah, it, it was, it was really fun. And I felt like, We did like an hour brainstorming session Tuesday of how to how we would make this pattern, what different techniques we would use.
00:29:52
Denis Tyrell
Maybe we do a jelly roll. Maybe we do well la la la la.
00:29:57
echo_blades
right
00:29:57
Denis Tyrell
But yeah, it was really cool. It was fun.
00:30:00
echo_blades
Yeah. Well, that's awesome, dude.
00:30:03
Denis Tyrell
But yeah. Yeah. And Marco's just cool guy to hang out with.
00:30:05
echo_blades
I love it.
00:30:07
Denis Tyrell
He's so laid back and, you know, it's you he's just fun to take to talk to. And we went out for lunch both days and it was great.
00:30:07
echo_blades
It is.
00:30:15
echo_blades
Yeah. No, that was cool. It was good to to talk to him and see it when we we did have that one quick conversation there. But you know what I know?
00:30:25
Denis Tyrell
yeah
00:30:27
echo_blades
If you don't have Dennis Terrell that lives 20 minutes from you or Marekko as a teacher and you like Damascus, you can simplify that process and go check our boys out at Baker Forged and Tool.
00:30:39
Denis Tyrell
Thank you.
00:30:42
echo_blades
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00:31:13
echo_blades
ah Those are all Koi's favorites and they are probably gone by now. But if you go and check it out, you may be able to get that weird size that nobody wanted that you need.
00:31:24
echo_blades
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00:31:26
Denis Tyrell
so
00:31:30
echo_blades
including gator piss and some of the other patterns and things that are available. They have cool starter packs for people that are, you know, just wanting to get rolling on some intro pieces.
00:31:41
echo_blades
ah but load that card up, use the discount code triple T 10. That's tt T T T 10. Uh, you could use the app for early access next week when they make their drop and you can get one day early access than the website.
00:31:54
echo_blades
And they did, uh, announce and give a date for, I think, uh, sometime this month we should be getting access to the new etch-ins, uh, um, Gator Piss max and Gator Piss heavy.
00:32:11
echo_blades
So keep your eye out for that and make sure you get on the the pre-order or however they're going to do that. Um, and, uh, yeah.
00:32:19
Denis Tyrell
Gator piss DN double nipple.
00:32:21
echo_blades
Yeah. Double nipple. That's right.
00:32:23
Denis Tyrell
No.
00:32:24
echo_blades
They got to get both nipples out to get the max and do that.
00:32:24
Denis Tyrell
Yeah. Uh, I, I,
00:32:27
echo_blades
You know, cha-cha-cha-cha-cha-cha-cha. Like, yeah, it's not a normal process. So yeah, that's pretty cool.
00:32:32
Denis Tyrell
no
00:32:34
echo_blades
So they they did a bunch of content and don't think they released the content, but they were shooting some content last week. So yeah, make sure you go check them out and yeah, use that discount code to to save you some dollars.
00:32:40
Denis Tyrell
yeah
00:32:50
Denis Tyrell
What?
00:32:50
echo_blades
Do it.
00:32:55
Denis Tyrell
ah One thing that Steve said when I was at Steve's place, he's like, ah you're going to be up at dave near Dave's. And he goes, you know, there is a there's a lake up there called Lawrence Lake.
00:33:08
echo_blades
Love it.
00:33:09
Denis Tyrell
So after I left Morocco, I checked into the hotel. I looked it up on map. 15 minutes from my hotel. because now I'm switching to the third hotel, right? And I'm in Yelm, which is whatever, half an hour from Marekko's place.
00:33:25
Denis Tyrell
I'm out near Dave's house, and I'm like, well, I got nothing to do. It's actually a nice day. Let's go check out Lawrence Lake.
00:33:31
echo_blades
Nice.
00:33:32
Denis Tyrell
Only purely to get a picture of me beside a sign that said Lawrence Lake, and which I did, if you've seen on Instagram.
00:33:38
echo_blades
Yeah.
00:33:41
Denis Tyrell
So, yeah, yeah.
00:33:41
echo_blades
Yeah, that's cool. That was funny. Yeah, you have your own lake named after you.
00:33:44
Denis Tyrell
So...
00:33:46
echo_blades
That's pretty cool.
Visit to Dave Lish's Shop and Learning
00:33:48
Denis Tyrell
yeah but if uh you need something from mr lawrence lake uh go check him out at maritime knife supply ah go see the original lawrence lake and get yourself some some steel some abrasives some handle material uh tooling you name it or if you just want to say hi to to lawrence uh and uh yeah go to go to maritime knife supply oh and folder supplies don't forget those
00:33:58
echo_blades
That's That's right.
00:34:13
echo_blades
that's right
00:34:14
Denis Tyrell
So go check out Maritime Knife Supply for all of your knife making needs.
00:34:20
echo_blades
That's right. and just And don't forget that in 1997, Lawrence took off from the free throw line and dunked MJ style.
00:34:32
echo_blades
And there is with Crocs on.
00:34:32
Denis Tyrell
With Crocs on.
00:34:35
echo_blades
And Bobby from Reaper Manufacturing has a documented certified actual picture of him flying through the air in real deal.
00:34:37
Denis Tyrell
the
00:34:45
Denis Tyrell
Yeah. Yeah.
00:34:46
echo_blades
That's where, just simply because of that, that's where I go to get all my knife-making needs. Or stuff. Items. I get all my knife-making needs from Lawrence because he dunked.
00:34:58
Denis Tyrell
Oh, but, uh, I gotta say Yelm is the prettiest little town.
00:34:59
echo_blades
Yeah. Awesome.
00:35:06
Denis Tyrell
um Yelm, which is east of Olympia, which is south of Seattle. Um, prettiest little town. um
00:35:14
echo_blades
So you're mid-Washington. Midwest.
00:35:16
Denis Tyrell
and I'm still just just south of ah like 45 minutes from the airport.
00:35:22
echo_blades
Yeah, but Seattle's like in the in the middle on the on the on the west, right? On the coast?
00:35:25
Denis Tyrell
Yes.
00:35:26
Denis Tyrell
Yeah. So it's just south of there. Yeah.
00:35:26
echo_blades
So you're...
00:35:27
echo_blades
Gotcha.
00:35:27
Denis Tyrell
Just south of there. But beautiful. that I actually... ah kind of expected the way Dave said, hey, I guess you're staying at the Prairie Hotel. It's the only one in town.
00:35:38
Denis Tyrell
I expected it to be a shithole. ah It was by far the nicest hotel of the three. Like, really, really nice hotel.
00:35:44
echo_blades
Oh, nice.
00:35:45
Denis Tyrell
Nice big room, microwave, fridge, you know, the whole deal. It was really nice. But, um yeah. then And that little area, like, Dave's shop...
00:35:59
Denis Tyrell
ah Dave Lish, Dave Mastersmith, Dave Lish is 15 minutes from there through the countryside. I'm telling you, I would move there in a second. It was so beautiful driving through.
00:36:09
Denis Tyrell
Like, you know, like when you you drive through and like the trees are like over the road.
00:36:14
echo_blades
Yeah.
00:36:15
Denis Tyrell
It was like that everywhere. It was so it was so pretty.
00:36:16
echo_blades
Nice. Nice.
00:36:18
Denis Tyrell
Nice and green and, you know, animals everywhere.
00:36:21
echo_blades
You tell me, yeah, you hear me every time we travel somewhere. It's so green. Yeah.
00:36:28
Denis Tyrell
Oh. But i I have never, i haven't been to that many shops. But, Jared, I mean, holy fuck, you should see Dave's shop.
00:36:40
echo_blades
ah
00:36:40
Denis Tyrell
Like, oh my God. That man, not only does he have every tool imaginal, he's got at least three of each one.
00:36:49
echo_blades
Oh wow.
00:36:50
Denis Tyrell
Okay, he's got three power hammers. One is 375 pound braham beautiful power hammer so much fun to use he's got another one that's a 165 and then he's got a little giant that i think it's like a hundred pound little giant or something like that the man has not just a grinding room he has three grinding rooms each one has at least five grinders in it like like he used he he used to have a school right he used to teach but
00:36:58
echo_blades
Okay.
00:37:08
echo_blades
Okay.
00:37:14
echo_blades
Wow.
00:37:20
echo_blades
Oh, Lord.
00:37:25
Denis Tyrell
I don't think he does like one-on-one classes and smaller classes, but he doesn't do like the giant classes that he used to. But, oh my God, there's grinders everywhere. The room, the main room we were in has three disc grinders in it. Just disc grinders.
00:37:37
echo_blades
Oh, Lord. Jeez.
00:37:39
Denis Tyrell
Three stand-up surface grinders.
00:37:43
echo_blades
gee
00:37:43
Denis Tyrell
Like, I'm not joking. Like, there there is no lack of tools in this man's shop.
00:37:50
echo_blades
Oh, his tool's got tools.
00:37:51
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, yeah. um Just... Unbelievable.
00:37:56
echo_blades
I'm sure he's got more than one anvil.
00:37:58
Denis Tyrell
Oh, yeah. 12.
00:38:02
echo_blades
Jeez.
00:38:02
Denis Tyrell
One of them is like a 400-pounder or something. Like three. Yeah. It's beautiful.
00:38:08
echo_blades
Goodness gracious.
00:38:09
Denis Tyrell
Yeah. just Just a beautiful shop. And Dave is such a nice guy. And um we started the day working on The first day working on the frame handle buoy.
00:38:21
Denis Tyrell
And just... that, that whole process, like, you know, cutting the, cutting the frame, like the tang out of the frame and, you know, all of that stuff. And then everything about every step about doing that.
00:38:35
Denis Tyrell
So was really cool. And, you know, I won't go over all the, all the things, but learned how so many little things that I learned, uh, from Dave, like, Oh, more so with Dave.
00:38:38
echo_blades
Yeah.
00:38:45
echo_blades
More sponge effect.
00:38:48
Denis Tyrell
Cause it was more hands-on stuff.
00:38:50
echo_blades
Right. Gotcha.
00:38:51
Denis Tyrell
Like, you know not just ah okay i've never done a frame handle buoy but things like oh here i i'm going to teach you how to peen pins i've never peened pins before this is well this is how you do it so you don't fuck up the wood and and just the little tools and the little tricks and here you use this acetate paper and you put a punch hole and you put it over the thing and it's just like crazy cool stuff to learn um oh would the whole thing was process process
00:39:01
echo_blades
Gotcha.
00:39:14
echo_blades
Right. Just process, process, process. Yeah. Yeah. Nice.
00:39:19
Denis Tyrell
um It's the first time I've done like a really, like I'll call it an exceptional museum fit on a knife.
00:39:28
echo_blades
Very cool.
00:39:28
Denis Tyrell
you'll You'll see, like it looks amazing. like the Just the museum fit around it. um Coining, um doing little coin marks on on the the liners.
00:39:41
Denis Tyrell
And just all kinds of stuff. I'm so happy with the knife. um I'm going to start posting on Instagram tomorrow just some of the shots of the knife.
00:39:50
echo_blades
You finished it?
00:39:52
Denis Tyrell
ah It's really close.
00:39:53
echo_blades
Okay.
00:39:54
Denis Tyrell
um i need to I need to take some weight out of the handle tomorrow, just out of the handle portion, the steel portion of the handle. And then i just need to etch it and etch the knife. And then, yeah, it's it'll be pretty much done.
00:40:10
echo_blades
Nice.
00:40:11
Denis Tyrell
so Oh, and I got to do work on the guard tomorrow because now they got the handle done, it's got to fit up with the guard.
00:40:17
echo_blades
Okay.
00:40:19
Denis Tyrell
But, yeah, we spent pretty much yeah, on better part of two days doing that. Um, and then day three, um, I was so excited about that Damascus pattern with Marekka.
00:40:32
Denis Tyrell
We actually made some Damascus. Um, so we did two forge sessions, uh, Friday. Yeah. Friday morning. And then in the afternoon, um, making that towards that fractal pattern, which is cool. And Dave had never heard of it. So I was taking him through some of this and, uh,
00:40:51
Denis Tyrell
got to use the uh the big power hammer so fun that thing it's it's very easy to control he does one thing where he takes and I was kind of wondered because he's got this like bowl of of walnuts I'm like okay that's kind of odd but so he takes a walnut up to the power hammer and he goes okay crack the nut without destroying the you know the walnuts inside so you got to like control this huge power hammer and crack a walnut which was kind of fun
00:40:55
echo_blades
Nice.
00:41:20
echo_blades
nice
00:41:21
Denis Tyrell
Yeah. But we did that. And then ah yeah he he, oh, we forged an integral out of hex stock from Maritime Knife sp Supply.
00:41:33
echo_blades
Cool. All
00:41:34
Denis Tyrell
little integral hunter. So that was fun. I've never forged one on a power hammer like that before. So that was different.
00:41:39
echo_blades
right.
00:41:40
Denis Tyrell
And um he just showed showed me some cool techniques for lining the bolsters and stuff like that. so it was
00:41:47
echo_blades
Did you set set the welds on the, ah ah for the Damascus billet on the power hammer?
00:41:53
Denis Tyrell
yeah yeah um he just see he just closed up the gaps on the um on the press in one prep but that was before it was up at you know even even it was only like a dull red and then it was a dull down power but the dies on that thing are like four by eight it's a pretty big dies um
00:42:03
echo_blades
So predominantly all that work was done on the power hammer. Nice.
00:42:12
echo_blades
Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah.
00:42:15
Denis Tyrell
but uh yeah and it was yeah you can really get after it on that power hammer like it's like you can really reduce steel and every time like i still felt like it looked like the steel was still hot like still yellow when i when it was going back in the forge i felt like yeah i could have i could have drew that thing out in two heats i felt like almost but we didn't want to we didn't want to push it but but uh yeah
00:42:31
echo_blades
Yeah.
00:42:39
echo_blades
Wow. Right.
00:42:43
echo_blades
Well, dang it. Cool.
00:42:45
Denis Tyrell
yeah And we talked about plunge lines and he showed me how he does his plunge lines on a disc grinder, which was cool.
00:42:47
echo_blades
Yeah.
00:42:53
Denis Tyrell
And, uh,
00:42:54
echo_blades
Somebody else had showed me that before. can't remember who.
00:42:57
Denis Tyrell
Rick, show you that.
00:42:59
echo_blades
and Maybe was right. Somebody else. Yeah, I'm i'm sorry. i don't It's not coming to mind, but I've heard that.
00:43:04
Denis Tyrell
I bet it was Rick.
00:43:04
echo_blades
That's right.
00:43:05
Denis Tyrell
Cause that's something that, um, uh, he learned from Mike.
00:43:09
echo_blades
ah Okay.
00:43:10
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
00:43:11
echo_blades
Gotcha.
00:43:11
Denis Tyrell
But, um,
00:43:12
echo_blades
I've never done it, but I...
00:43:14
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, so this is one of those things that... So what the one the... Dave will fully tell you, he's an old school guy.
00:43:26
Denis Tyrell
Does things the old school way. And if you look at my knives, and I do this on purpose because i honestly never... No one had ever pointed out to me and said, hey, your plunger line should look like this.
00:43:42
Denis Tyrell
The ABS guys want your plunge lines, and I don't know if it's all ABS guys, but they want your plunge lines to be very sharp.
00:43:52
Denis Tyrell
Meaning they drop down and then there's the bevel, right?
00:43:52
echo_blades
Okay. Yeah.
00:43:52
echo_blades
Yeah.
00:43:56
Denis Tyrell
Sharp edge there. And you know, mine swoop up or a lot of the newer makers, their plunge line will swoop up and it's a very gradual near the plunge line. It's a very gradual slope.
00:43:56
echo_blades
okay
00:44:10
echo_blades
yeah
00:44:10
Denis Tyrell
Yeah. Dave doesn't like that. Most of the the old, old, old style ABS guys don't like that. So, which is interesting to me. It's like, okay, do you gonna, are you gonna mark down on a master Smith for doing it that way?
00:44:22
echo_blades
but that Well, that makes sense. That makes sense when the the first time we met with Vagnino, he was talking about utilizing those, the sanding stones to get in there and you just bump into that plunge line.
00:44:40
echo_blades
which you and i tend to have that radius there and you it doesn't doesn't really work.
00:44:45
Denis Tyrell
It's not as bad, yeah.
00:44:46
echo_blades
Yeah. It just goes slides over and you get some weirder bumps. But if it is that sharp, you know, 90 degree ish kind of angle there, that would make sense that so that's the effect that they're going after.
00:44:59
Denis Tyrell
Yeah. And I'm not saying one's... one but I mean, I was told that one's wrong and one's right.
00:45:04
echo_blades
Yeah. Yeah.
00:45:06
Denis Tyrell
But he fully said, hey, this is how he does it and how most of the older school guys.
00:45:10
echo_blades
right
00:45:11
Denis Tyrell
But you see some of the newer makers, they do go with that.
00:45:15
echo_blades
Yeah.
00:45:15
Denis Tyrell
slow So now I'm in a a bit of a conundrum.
00:45:16
echo_blades
yeah
00:45:20
Denis Tyrell
I like it the other way, but if I'm making MasterSmith knives, do I have to do it the old school way?
00:45:20
echo_blades
Gotcha.
00:45:26
echo_blades
Right.
00:45:27
Denis Tyrell
So anyway, that's something I have to think about.
00:45:29
echo_blades
Hmm. Did you know that I'm Jason Bourne?
00:45:31
Denis Tyrell
So um in looks, in axed, in actions, in...
00:45:38
echo_blades
I don't know, man. Lauren's put out a video, ah a real not too long ago. And I think it was when he got, he got his new shipment of steel or something like that.
00:45:50
echo_blades
And it starts with the whole Jason Bourne thing. And he goes, Holy shit, that's Jason Bourne. There's um like a freaking very quick second where he flashes a picture that he took of me while were having breakfast at blade show in, in Texas a few weeks back. Yeah.
00:46:08
echo_blades
He sends me the real and he goes, love you, buddy.
00:46:14
echo_blades
ah start
00:46:17
echo_blades
And I don't, I didn't, I didn't know how many people saw it or if anybody did pick up on it.
00:46:20
Denis Tyrell
I didn't see it.
00:46:21
echo_blades
Yeah. It was, it was crazy. It was like, Holy shit. That's Jason born really quick.
00:46:26
Denis Tyrell
listen
00:46:27
echo_blades
And it was my fat ass sitting there eating breakfast, smiling or doing so. I don't know.
00:46:33
Denis Tyrell
Did you call Jason Bourne on some pancakes or what?
00:46:35
echo_blades
Yeah, I did. don't know. That was on the baby Dutch sampler.
00:46:38
Denis Tyrell
Oh, yeah.
00:46:38
echo_blades
Yeah. ah
00:46:41
Denis Tyrell
There's probably reference we didn't catch. Oh man.
00:46:43
echo_blades
Yeah, it was pretty good.
00:46:46
Denis Tyrell
oh man
00:46:48
echo_blades
Yeah. Well, that sounds like a great trip, man. That's a lot better than mine. That's for sure. I was seriously ah so interested to hear it. I'm glad that, you know, what we didn't chat much during the, during the time. kind of sucks, you know, every now and then because wanted to check in and see how things were going and that, but I think it's, it's, uh, it's cool to hear. i personally enjoy the thinking about you having the opportunity that that sponge effect thing. um like I don't know where that term's coming from, but like, I, ah like that for you.
00:47:22
echo_blades
um I think for somebody that gives so much information away and is and um in more of a position to kind of, you know, share knowledge to, for them to have the opportunity to, to receive and to kind of have that experience that you give most people.
00:47:37
echo_blades
I think it's really cool, man. I'm, um I'm proud of you. I'm happy that you did it. And, you know And I'm glad you had a good time and you picked some you know awesome people to to hang out with and and have a good trip. So that' that's really cool, dude.
00:47:49
Denis Tyrell
And it was super fun. And if I will say it again, everyone else, if you, I wish I would have taken a course years ago and um yeah, instead of maybe instead of buying that tool you're thinking about this year, go invest in some classes and you will, you won't be disappointed because the odds are those classes are going to push you a little forward faster than that magical tool you think you need.
00:48:13
echo_blades
Yeah, I think it did that that that mindset has to be put and kept in perspective, though.
00:48:13
Denis Tyrell
But
00:48:19
echo_blades
like I don't know how beneficial a frame or frame handle class with Dave would do for me right now. You know what I mean? like I think you're in a...
00:48:27
Denis Tyrell
I mean education in general. I don't mean...
00:48:29
echo_blades
Yeah. Well, I'm just i'm trying to share that with everybody else. like you know like Have your your perspective you know in perspective to to make sure that it's...
00:48:39
Denis Tyrell
sure
00:48:42
echo_blades
Because I was just talking to i was talking to Micah last week about how and I was kind of pushing how cool
Personal Growth and Learning Experiences
00:48:49
echo_blades
Makers Camp was. in like The experience at Makers Camp
00:48:55
echo_blades
Don't let me like kind of downplay it, but like makers camp itself is, there's not like this huge, like life changing experience that happens. Right. But it is completely about the, the time you get to spend with the people and the conversations and, and, and the experiences that you get to have that make it like one of the best things that I, I I've got to participate in.
00:49:19
echo_blades
And, but what I was saying was that the first year when we got to see Mareko do that knife from the micro billet forged, finished, you forged to shape, ground, ah the handle, like the whole thing.
00:49:34
echo_blades
I can't tell you how much I, in retrospect, looking back, how much of that went completely over my head. where I was at, at, you know, like a year in the making, just, just starting.
00:49:44
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
00:49:47
echo_blades
Like, had I seen that today, i would it would have been entirely different amount of take that, that I, that are, I would took so much more from that class then.
00:49:57
echo_blades
So like when you're, when we're talking about the, you know, pursuing education and stuff, like that's something that, um, that's what comes up in my mind is like, you know, take the right class at the right time, you know, where you're at and, and continue to do that as you grow.
00:50:10
Denis Tyrell
yeah take
00:50:16
echo_blades
And you'll find that education is never going to be out of, you know, out of touch with, with our, with our growth, you know, cause that's, that's the cool thing about it.
00:50:27
Denis Tyrell
Yeah. And I'm already thinking like maybe maybe I'll take another class in the fall. I don't know. We'll see what happens.
00:50:32
echo_blades
know
00:50:33
Denis Tyrell
And I got a lot going on in the fall, so I don't know if that'll happen.
00:50:37
echo_blades
cool.
00:50:37
Denis Tyrell
We'll see.
00:50:39
echo_blades
Yeah. And you brought up, uh, Gabe from Anchorage forge, which been meaning to, meant last time we, we had our episode, but I wanted to give him a shout out and tell him, thank you for, uh, he sent me, uh, a couple, um, things of his, uh, tiger tears is what he calls it. Um, but it's like a, uh, a special sparkling water, um, line that he puts out. Cause you know, uh,
00:51:06
echo_blades
A while back, yeah I can't remember exactly where, but he's probably a hustle and grind or something. He was talking about the, the collabs that that he does with, you know, with Marekko and Josh Prince and they, they do a knife collab and then he puts out a beer with them and they had the beers, the cans have that, you know, IPA cool artwork on there and stuff like that. And,
00:51:27
echo_blades
ah i I heard that he had a, ah like a sparkling water thing. Cause I don't drink. Right. So I reached out to him and we're just talking about something and I was like, dude, I'm going to them tight. And so anyways, he so gracious enough to send me some. And I, I'm, I haven't, I've been, I got them when I had just got back from traveling and then I was, you know, getting ready to leave again. So this weekend I'm going to crack one of them things open and and do a reel on it, but want to give him a shout out and tell him a huge thanks, man. i appreciate him.
00:51:55
echo_blades
Super looking forward to getting smarter from drinking tiger tears.
00:52:01
echo_blades
It's guaranteed to make you smart.
00:52:05
Denis Tyrell
Well, you better drink five.
00:52:06
echo_blades
Yeah. I have, I think eight. So no, I didn't.
00:52:12
Denis Tyrell
And my buddy Spencer is going to have his own beer. You see that?
00:52:17
echo_blades
no i didn't
00:52:18
Denis Tyrell
Yeah. Yeah. Spencer's because I guess they did a collab. Him and Gabe did a collab project with some woots. So Spencer's going to be a zombie on a can.
00:52:28
echo_blades
I love it. i love it.
00:52:29
Denis Tyrell
and Yeah, yeah.
00:52:30
echo_blades
Nice.
00:52:31
Denis Tyrell
And it's like him sitting at a table because he they show the picture that they went off of, and it's him sitting at a table kind of like this with a knife in each hand.
00:52:40
echo_blades
Yeah.
00:52:40
Denis Tyrell
And then they show the can, the artwork for the can, and it looks it looks really awesome.
00:52:44
echo_blades
Yeah. He should do like a Conan, the barbarian can theme.
00:52:47
Denis Tyrell
Yes, right. Yeah, well, that's really cool to be kind of immortalized on a can.
00:52:53
echo_blades
Yeah, that's awesome.
00:52:54
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, looking forward to seeing it.
00:52:56
echo_blades
Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, so right on Gabe. Much appreciated, dude. Appreciate it. Appreciate you. I'm looking forward to to trying that.
00:53:05
echo_blades
Yeah. So that, yeah, that that's, that's kind of hard to top. So I went to Texas. I took a, a class for fire sprinkler design and some Revit class.
00:53:11
Denis Tyrell
he
00:53:17
echo_blades
And, and to be honest with you, it was probably the most, cause I hate talking shop about my, my business.
00:53:29
echo_blades
Like nothing bores me more than like sitting around at like a work function and people talking about business and fire sprinklers. It just, it's not my thing. Like I do it for a living and, and we we do what we have to do.
00:53:40
Denis Tyrell
Yep.
00:53:42
echo_blades
and and, and to each his own. So some people take everything they do career wise seriously and and they enjoy it and they find joy and, and, you know, in doing that, that's just, I'd rather talk about knives or golf or,
00:53:59
echo_blades
the A's getting their fucking asses whooped on their first opening night here in in Sacramento right now, which is just an absolute embarrassment. the They're playing in a minor league field and yeah, they can't sell that stadium out either.
00:54:17
echo_blades
And they're getting their asses whooped 16 to three right now.
00:54:22
Denis Tyrell
sixty
00:54:22
echo_blades
So 16, 16 to three. Yeah.
00:54:24
Denis Tyrell
16?
00:54:24
echo_blades
sixteen to three yeah
00:54:25
Denis Tyrell
That's like a football score.
00:54:27
echo_blades
Back-to-back home runs in the first inning. So it's, yeah. Yay, let's go wherever you're playing. So sad.
00:54:38
echo_blades
But ah I totally forgot what I was even saying. That's how irritating that is. But I did turn the game on because I do love baseball.
00:54:47
Denis Tyrell
You're talking about how boring it is to talk about work.
00:54:49
echo_blades
Yeah. Oh, so, um, but I was nerding out in this class. Like I, I found the, the joy that I used to have when I was designing and, and, uh, you know, cause being a part of a project and, and, and the creation of it and putting the system in doing all that stuff you used to be, it's fun. It's a lot funner than managing fucking 500 of them and you know, dealing with all the dumb stuff. So it was cool to be a student, um, kind of in line with what you're saying.
00:55:21
echo_blades
Um, and that was cool, but, um, I still have a, you know, but we went, it was like eight, nine hours in class. And then I go back to the hotel room and work for an hour or two trying to not get buried in emails and stuff like that. So there's really long ass days.
00:55:39
echo_blades
Um, but overall, like from, from beginning end of the trip, dude, I came home just absolutely just whooped. Like it was exhausting. Um, but I did get to, uh, uh, like, like said, doing the class and stuff. That was cool.
00:55:56
echo_blades
had a younger, one of my younger designers with me, who's just fired up fire sprinklers. and And that was cool to, to watch him, you know, have the opportunity to learn from, you know, like really,
00:56:11
echo_blades
knowledgeable people in our industry. um And then ah tried like hell to get out every night and and go do something, at least have dinner outside and and do that. And then I did get the opportunity to hang out with the with our buddy Jeff Carey from Armored Up Blades.
Dallas Makerspace Visit and Night Golf
00:56:27
echo_blades
He took me to one of the coolest things that I i have seen in a long time. So he has a membership to like like a makerspace, he calls it It's ah a giant warehouse that I think he pays, i want to say 60 bucks a month.
00:56:47
echo_blades
You have 24 hour access to the building. um All the tools and all the machines and stuff that are in there. Like, yeah I think you got to get like a clearance and a certification to like run a mill and and a lathe without like, you know, chopping your arms off and losing fingers and stuff.
00:57:03
echo_blades
But once you go through all that, Dennis, this place has...
00:57:03
Denis Tyrell
Great.
00:57:06
echo_blades
A blacksmithing shop, a machine shop, jewelry making, neon sign making, printing,
00:57:15
Denis Tyrell
Oh, cool.
00:57:17
echo_blades
um T-shirt making, audio like ah audio and visual ah recording studios, computer labs, woodworking shops, auto shops.
00:57:29
Denis Tyrell
It's only 60 bucks a month?
00:57:31
echo_blades
auto shop, welding shop, um, fricking, uh, clay pottery, like on and on and on. It took us, he, he walked me through this building probably took us 45 minutes with just a, like, Hey, this is due. And I've done this and I've done that. You know, it makes my rings here. i do this and, and everybody in there was super nice. And, and he's like, yeah, there's like kind of like heads of the departments that that are there.
00:58:00
echo_blades
predominantly but you can go and talk to them and they'll help you out and stuff like that yeah 60 bucks a month and you get access to this building 24 hours you could do dude it was the it was absolutely one of the coolest things i've seen and a long time the the have you ever been to the crucible in oakland so ah the very first time when i was talking about um
00:58:10
Denis Tyrell
That's crazy.
00:58:21
Denis Tyrell
Mm-mm.
00:58:26
echo_blades
I wanted to start, uh, forging. I took a class at the crucible in Oakland is the closest thing to this place that I have seen. and know it wasn't no 60 bucks a month. That's for sure.
00:58:39
echo_blades
The class was like, I took an intro to blacksmithing. Um, And I or or I made it like a ah hook, a twisted hook, you know, um and that was the first time I'd ever you you know put anything in a forge and used a hammer and did all that stuff.
00:58:56
echo_blades
um But I think after you take the class, you do have access to the facility um for in certain areas and everything. That's the only thing that I've seen that's comparable to this. But it was it was amazing.
00:59:08
echo_blades
Um, and the only, there's just not enough time to like kind of start anything and finish anything. But yeah, the, the blacksmith, there was like three anvils, two forges, a grinder.
00:59:20
echo_blades
um I swear there was probably 10 mils, lathes, CNC, um, machines. Like it just endless. I'm forgetting so much stuff. Like the woodworking shop was like,
00:59:34
echo_blades
I don't know. I've never seen so many bandsaws in my life. like yeah It was, it was, it was, yeah, it was, it was plenty of people and it was still not even crowded.
00:59:38
Denis Tyrell
Is there a lot of people there?
00:59:43
echo_blades
Like, like every, every portware had space, you know, like it was really cool for 60 bucks a month.
00:59:47
Denis Tyrell
Hmm.
00:59:50
echo_blades
If I lived in the Dallas Fort worth area, I'd, that would, they would have my money for sure.
00:59:54
Denis Tyrell
My student, Christian, the one that was here for for eight days or whatever, he uses a makerspace in Alabama.
01:00:01
echo_blades
Yeah.
01:00:01
Denis Tyrell
But his... he has a He has a little area and like a little... like, I don't know little 10 by 10 area that has a door that he can lock, but everything else. And like outside of that is another part of his space and everyone else has their own.
01:00:17
Denis Tyrell
So it's like you rent, but you can, anything that's in the open space is fair game.
01:00:18
echo_blades
You rent shop space type thing.
01:00:25
echo_blades
Gotcha.
01:00:25
Denis Tyrell
You can use it. People can use your stuff. You can use their stuff. And if you don't want to use, you put it, it you lock it up in your, in your little shed or whatever it is.
01:00:35
echo_blades
Yeah.
01:00:35
Denis Tyrell
But his is like, it's like 300 bucks a month, but he has his own area.
01:00:39
echo_blades
yeah Yeah, it was cool, man. there there There was a dude in there that pulled his truck in, was like doing a brake job on his own on his on his truck. And there the like that's what you could do, right?
01:00:50
echo_blades
You can go change your oil at this car lifts.
01:00:51
Denis Tyrell
That's really cool.
01:00:53
echo_blades
and And they were doing a bunch of expansions and kind of reorganizing some stuff. So it's even going to get cooler. So um that was really, that was a lot of fun. That was a nice, that was a cool little trip and not too far from where we were staying.
01:01:09
echo_blades
or why I was staying. And then he has, ah you know, cause I talk about golf a lot. He said that he golfed and um we were right by like a top golf and the Dallas top golf.
01:01:22
echo_blades
They have a bunch of top golfs in that area, which is, I just, I guess, I guess we have a few around here, but San Jose, Sacramento.
01:01:29
Denis Tyrell
San Jose and Sacramento.
01:01:37
Denis Tyrell
That's it.
01:01:37
echo_blades
Yeah, I guess it is it.
01:01:39
Denis Tyrell
And Tahoe.
01:01:40
echo_blades
isn't Yeah, that is it. And they're not close. So maybe that does make sense. But there was some like a half an hour apart on one side of the city and one on the other. But the Dallas one has this like crazy like putt putt um like three courses there of some like like legit badass you know mini golf things that I wanted to to go check out and see.
01:02:03
echo_blades
um But then he's like, you know, the I have a golf course right by my house that it's like an executive. You ever played an executive course?
01:02:13
Denis Tyrell
Sure. You can play the Las Positas one all the time
01:02:16
echo_blades
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they have one that's under floodlights and you can play at night. And that's the only one that i' have ever I've ever, I've played there once.
01:02:21
Denis Tyrell
There's one in San Mateo like that. Or Milbrae, whatever it is.
01:02:26
echo_blades
Yeah.
01:02:26
Denis Tyrell
and
01:02:28
echo_blades
But that's not convenient for me. It's not even convenient for you.
01:02:30
Denis Tyrell
No.
01:02:31
echo_blades
That's, that's hall.
01:02:32
Denis Tyrell
No.
01:02:32
echo_blades
Yeah. Yeah.
01:02:33
Denis Tyrell
why When I used to work down there, it was all right.
01:02:35
echo_blades
Exactly. That's the only time when I used to travel around the Bay area all the time. If I was going to be, you know, out at four o'clock, five o'clock coming across, I'd, I'd go mess with that. And one time I did plan night just to, just to do it.
01:02:48
echo_blades
And yeah, so we went over to the, to went and saw his shop. and He's got a tsunami that he built at that maker space, um which I thought was cool. You know, like you put in that stuff to use, saw a shop and,
01:03:03
echo_blades
hung out for a few. And then we went to to the course and i like eight 30 at night.
01:03:07
Denis Tyrell
That's cool.
01:03:07
echo_blades
and Yeah. We walked on and i was, I had put my work boots on, you know, my brunt boots. Cause I, we were going to the maker space. I didn't know what we were going to do Right. So I, I only had my boots and jeans and we walk up to the golf course and ah rented clubs and you know what it costs for me to fucking rent clubs, buy three balls and play nine holes.
01:03:31
Denis Tyrell
And an executive? 100 bucks?
01:03:32
echo_blades
Yeah.
01:03:35
echo_blades
$40.
01:03:36
Denis Tyrell
Wow.
01:03:37
echo_blades
Yeah.
01:03:37
Denis Tyrell
It seems like $30, $35 just rent clubs.
01:03:40
echo_blades
Yeah. I was like getting ready. Like, you know, and then she was like 40 bucks. And I was like, well, you got the balls too. He's like, yeah. So we went out. They had the only shitty part was that. and And I say shitty cause it was eight 30 at night and I had to get up early, but, um, they had just put away the cart.
01:03:56
echo_blades
So we had to walk and I was in boots. know, it was in my, you know, yeah.
01:03:59
Denis Tyrell
Oh, okay.
01:04:00
echo_blades
Yeah.
01:04:00
Denis Tyrell
It's an executive course. Give me a break. You didn't bother.
01:04:02
echo_blades
It was actually, it's is about twice as big as ah as the one at Las Positas. it was really It was really spread out.
01:04:08
Denis Tyrell
Oh, really? Oh, okay.
01:04:10
Denis Tyrell
Because that one I consider actually a pretty big executive course. The one in Millbrae, that one's tiny.
01:04:10
echo_blades
Yeah.
01:04:15
echo_blades
Yeah. No, this was this was decent size. and there was some They just have a lot of more space than we do. You know what I mean? like
01:04:20
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
01:04:21
echo_blades
Everything is just spread out. But um yeah, it was it was cool, man. i had a I'm so glad that I did it. We had we had fun and um I golf pretty damn pretty decent for in boots and rented clubs.
01:04:41
echo_blades
I shot 47 and I took a nine on the last hole.
01:04:42
Denis Tyrell
Oh, that's not
01:04:48
echo_blades
So I'll tell you this. on This is my only golf thing. I'll say no.
01:04:50
Denis Tyrell
bad. What did you do find all the water?
01:04:53
echo_blades
So I have been, you know, like there's all kinds of shit that's, you know, weird about not playing with your, your setup. You know what i mean? Somebody else's clubs and all that crap.
01:05:04
echo_blades
So I normally play a draw and everything I was hitting was blocking out to the right and not, not coming back. and And the very last hole, I was like, all right, fuck, I haven't hit a single draw all night.
01:05:16
echo_blades
So I set up to play the draw.
01:05:21
echo_blades
fucking thing hooks all out into this fucking apartment complex over there. I lose the ball. Everything goes to shit. I get all irritated and I need to take it to nine. It was fun, man. I had a great time.
01:05:32
echo_blades
and It was just really cool to play golf at night like because that's not normal.
01:05:34
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
01:05:36
echo_blades
Yeah.
01:05:37
Denis Tyrell
That's like skiing. And I love night skiing and playing golf at night. I thought was really fun. I've probably played four or five times that that one in Millbrae.
01:05:42
echo_blades
Yeah.
01:05:46
echo_blades
Or San Mateo, right?
01:05:49
Denis Tyrell
i don't I don't know if it's is I guess it's is it San Mateo?
01:05:53
echo_blades
it's a hundred percent. eighty
01:05:54
Denis Tyrell
I don't know.
01:05:55
echo_blades
It's more foster city than anything else, but yeah. But anyways, yeah, I get you. Yeah. That one's, that one's, that one's small, but ah yeah, that was cool. And then we had, we had dinner and and got to hang, hang out and some good conversations.
01:06:08
echo_blades
Super cool dude. ah Really, really enjoyed the, the time and appreciate him coming to grab me and pick me up. And I didn't have to, I didn't have to drive. That was cool. Yeah.
01:06:18
Denis Tyrell
So I want to know, did the blacksmithing area at the makerspace have ah two bastards hammer? That's what I want to know.
01:06:27
echo_blades
It didn't, but you know what it should have ah two bastards, fat peen hammer.
01:06:29
Denis Tyrell
What? they're what
01:06:40
echo_blades
A hundred percent. Yes. That thing, uh, Yeah, ah for 60 bucks a month, I think, yeah, we could save up and get get ourselves a fat peen all up in that business and and, you know, increase the value that that awesome thing has. But if you were looking for your next hammer, you'd better go.
01:07:03
echo_blades
and check out Frank and Nita from two bastard Smithian supply and get yourself a fat peen cross variety, diagonal variety, straight variety, curve variety is coming soon. I promise. I think maybe kind of, um, actually. Yeah.
01:07:18
echo_blades
Cause, uh, for all of your, your peening needs, you you need to make sure that, uh, you go see Frank and Nita. Um, I have something I need to bring up from them in one second. Cause I'm super prepared.
01:07:35
echo_blades
Yes.
Events and Hospitality Highlights
01:07:37
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, there's
01:07:37
echo_blades
The first ever lost bastards hammer in only 50 tickets are available. Uh, go check out, uh, there's a flyer on Facebook. I'm going to share this stuff out as well, but Franken, is putting on a, uh, a hammer in there'll be raffle prizes. Uh, Jay Nielsen will be there.
01:07:58
echo_blades
um and some black missing blacksmithing classes from, from Eland, from Lostwood Knives, Jeff Davidson, a whole bunch of cool things. So limited spots available. it is going to be on May 3rd in Gainesville, Texas from nine to four and all kinds of other cool stuff happening. So, um oh shit. You know who else is going to be there?
01:08:24
Denis Tyrell
Who?
01:08:25
Denis Tyrell
Eric Rivers? Oh. Mr.
01:08:25
echo_blades
Mike, Micah Dunn.
01:08:30
echo_blades
He's going to be forging a chef knife demo from 930 to Yeah. a
01:08:35
Denis Tyrell
M.D.
01:08:37
echo_blades
yeah So that's cool. um So yeah, if you're in the area, ah go check it out.
01:08:46
echo_blades
Do the Lost Bastards hammering.
01:08:50
Denis Tyrell
Because ain't it grand to have a fat peen in one's hand.
01:08:54
echo_blades
Yes.
01:08:57
Denis Tyrell
Did I steal your thunder there?
01:08:57
echo_blades
If...
01:08:59
echo_blades
if fit No, I love when you do it. Yeah.
01:09:02
Denis Tyrell
You love it when I talk about the peen, I know it.
01:09:04
echo_blades
Yeah. In your hand. Just grip and rip it, buddy. Let's go. Yeah,
01:09:12
Denis Tyrell
So what else did you do on your trip? I know you went out and talked to Mr. Micah. What else?
01:09:18
echo_blades
yeah that's it, dude. So on Friday, I took off from ah wherever the hell I was and Dallas, Fort Worth, wherever Richardson, I was a little North.
01:09:30
echo_blades
Um, the classes that I was in were, were longer than, than the other ones that I'd been in. So I didn't get out done until about like three 30, got my stuff together, hit the road, plug in the address three in i three and a half hours almost.
01:09:47
Denis Tyrell
Jesus.
01:09:48
echo_blades
Yeah. It was all in traffic.
01:09:50
Denis Tyrell
Oh.
01:09:52
echo_blades
Dallas got some traffic.
01:09:55
echo_blades
It's very very, very, very, very similar to here, except more aggressive drivers. But yeah, so I didn't quite, I think it took me an hour and a half to get from his house to the airport on my way back.
01:10:09
echo_blades
and So it was about, it should be about two hours. was about an hour and something extra in traffic. So I didn't get over there in time for us to do anything on, on Friday night. Um, but at dinner with his beautiful family um and and hung out and kind of talked about what we did. So we were talking about like, well, wasn't really, she didn't have a game plan of what we wanted to do, but um I wanted to, to, Oh, I wanted to make some Damascus with him. Cause I love the the patterns and stuff that he does.
01:10:42
echo_blades
But i also wanted to like forge things. a knife like we did last time. Uh, not as what was hoping to do on Friday, but we just, I didn't get there, uh, in time to to do that. So we talked about it and we had ended up middle of the week deciding that we were going to do a canister because I hadn't, I've never done one.
01:11:00
echo_blades
And he's like, okay, I got some end cuts and you know, we'll, we'll do something cool with that. And then i get there and we start talking and, uh, he's like, is this,
01:11:12
echo_blades
He had to do some cleanup and things and it was going to kind of be some nonsense type of stuff that wouldn't be so productive if we ended up with the canister. But um so we decided to to do a feather.
01:11:24
echo_blades
um So we forged out a feather billet in that one day, which was quite the task.
01:11:30
Denis Tyrell
Jeez, that's that a lot of welds.
01:11:30
echo_blades
Yeah.
01:11:33
echo_blades
That was, yeah, it was, was a lot. Um, but we got after it, man, we, we started around eight o'clock. And, uh, again, like I said, it was the, the bipolar weather there was predominantly on the cooler side until the day we fight getting behind a forge.
01:11:50
echo_blades
It got hot as shit in the afternoon. It was like, like 87 or something like that. And, and it's been really cool and cold, you know?
01:11:55
Denis Tyrell
Oh.
01:11:59
echo_blades
Uh, so for that big swing in the temperature and then to be, you know, behind and at forge welding temperatures all day long. It was, we were, and I was just this whoop, man. Like I slept like shit when I was there.
01:12:11
echo_blades
don't, I'm not sure why, but
01:12:15
Denis Tyrell
I never sleep well at hotels.
01:12:18
echo_blades
yeah. and the And the, the hotel I stayed at over in, in his area was we'll call it the, the meth tale. Yeah.
01:12:28
Denis Tyrell
You picked a good one, huh?
01:12:31
echo_blades
Well, I didn't because I hadn't quite decided and didn't make a decision. And so I was heading over there and I was telling Lynn, I was like, I got to do, I got to get a hotel. i So there was like a couple, like a Hampton Inn and a La Quinta and you know some you know middle of the road type places. And I'm like, well, this is Stevensville, Texas. Like it can't be that much, right? These fuckers quoted me 300 bucks a night.
01:13:00
Denis Tyrell
Holy shit.
01:13:02
echo_blades
at the La Quinta. And I was just like, Oh, excuse me. Come again. Like what? I can, excuse me. What? And, uh, so was, I, I, I told Linda, babe, could you just hop on kayak and figure something out? And she sends you two of them. And, and I picked the, the more expensive.
01:13:23
echo_blades
dude.
01:13:24
Denis Tyrell
Good thing.
01:13:26
echo_blades
ah dear It was like 70 bucks a night, which was great. Like, it's fine. i'm I'm all good there, right? and And, you know, like... I just want to share, guys, that I don't...
01:13:40
echo_blades
the life clean has been very good to me, right? I've made some changes in my life that have put me in an entirely different way of living than, than I have experienced in my past. Right. And it was never more prevalent to me than when I walked up to the meth tail and like my stomach started turning and I was like, Oh God, this is like the the familiarity of the, the, the disgusting places that I used to be and the things i I did back in the day.
01:14:07
echo_blades
It was just, it was ah It was a good experience to to kind of go through because, um but I walk up to my, walk up the stairs to my, go to my room for the first time and I hear this like whining and crying. i couldn't figure out if it was like a baby, it was like a dying dog or like ah somebody tied up and begging to be released.
01:14:33
echo_blades
ah Like help me.
01:14:34
Denis Tyrell
It was Gimp from Pulp Fiction.
01:14:36
echo_blades
yeah yeah it was something dude i was just like my wheels were spinning i go up the stairs and i walk down the hall to my room and sure as shit this whatever's coming out of this room is the fucking room right across the hall from me ah and i i'm pretty positive there was some some tweakers there that had left their dogs and they were just you know yelping and crying and i only say that they were tweakers because
01:14:39
Denis Tyrell
okay
01:14:59
echo_blades
ah
01:15:02
echo_blades
the walls and everything were like paper thin and I, I can hear them all night going in and out in and out. And now the dog shut up though, eventually, but yeah, the room was, was, was exciting to say the least.
01:15:13
echo_blades
And so, yeah, had didn't sleep good there. The other place I stayed was really nice, but ah yeah.
01:15:19
Denis Tyrell
When the company was paying.
01:15:20
echo_blades
Anyway. Huh?
01:15:22
Denis Tyrell
When the company was paying.
01:15:23
echo_blades
Yeah, exactly. Jared's cheap. yeah But yeah, it was, it wasn't, it wasn't horrible, but it was, it was just funny. Like the, the, the emotions and the things that I went through. Cause you know, like I guess that I used to,
01:15:39
echo_blades
be fond of those places but yeah anyways we got there and we knocked that billet out man and micah is such a great host um like again man i'm i'm encouraging you dennis has already said it here um taking classes with people but micah's i highly recommend that he moves forward with with that that ah avenue of something that he offers. Cause he's ah like just such a chill dude gives really cool instructions. Like it's kind of like what you're saying. Like I didn't need much instruction on how to, you know, how to make C's and W's and things like that, but I hadn't done a feather. Right. And and then using someone else's equipment to like the only press that I, you know, I'm comfortable behind his ears. Right.
01:16:27
echo_blades
So, um, but his is a a Riverside. Um,
01:16:31
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, i've so i've I've used, that's what Kelly used to have, I think.
01:16:35
echo_blades
It's the one where you you you push down and you get action up. And then when you let off, it starts to retract.
01:16:40
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
01:16:42
echo_blades
So trying to get that that rhythm going was was a little interesting at first. um But the you know when we started getting to the split, when I split the and i split the the feather, that was that was stressful as fuck, dude.
01:17:01
Denis Tyrell
Always is.
01:17:02
Denis Tyrell
never it never gets better.
01:17:02
echo_blades
I get it.
01:17:04
echo_blades
I can tell you. Yeah. Like, but at him and, and I'm going to bring up Jake here in a second, but he had a guy that works out of his shop. We're super cool, man. And we, we had a blast though, but it was, it was a lot of work. We were just like nonstop, you know, like from one well cleaning, cutting, grinding, you know, back into the forge, back out, go,
01:17:27
echo_blades
take a break to freaking cool down for a minute. it was, it was a lot of fun then. And I, so we, when I left, we had done the, we'd split it and then forged it back together.
01:17:40
echo_blades
And then it went in the, uh, oven for a kneeling that night. So he's just gotta do whatever, draw it out or, and then split it up and then he's going to, yeah, yep.
01:17:47
Denis Tyrell
He's probably slicing billets. he's sliced. That's why he's annealing it. Yeah, yeah.
01:17:51
echo_blades
Yep. Yep. Yep.
01:17:52
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, and then you got to draw out that.
01:17:54
echo_blades
Yep.
01:17:54
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
01:17:54
echo_blades
So that's, that's all that's the only that we we got to the Neil stage in, in, in that day. So, but man, it was a blast dude. And just super Mike because is, he's, he's, he's one of the good ones, man.
01:18:08
echo_blades
Just such a cool dude. Like I said, great family. And I had a blast and it was, it was kind of shitty that I, you know, being there for seven days and only getting,
01:18:22
echo_blades
ah basically like a day to hang out and and do that was kind of criminal to me. But yeah.
01:18:28
Denis Tyrell
Well, you were there for work too,
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01:18:30
Denis Tyrell
right? So, yeah.
01:18:30
echo_blades
Yeah. That's what saying. Like it's, it's a lot of funner to just be running around taking classes and giving classes. Just saying.
01:18:39
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, yeah, it is Let me tell you.
01:18:41
echo_blades
Yeah.
01:18:42
Denis Tyrell
Well, good. Sounds like you had a good trip.
01:18:44
echo_blades
Yeah.
01:18:44
Denis Tyrell
You know, good end of the trip then.
01:18:45
echo_blades
It was cool. Yeah. But I missed my family. That was, it was, it was a long time away.
01:18:50
Denis Tyrell
i was thinking like it was it was like after day one um working with Marekko. And like, I think back when like, you know, you like a seven day vacation in Mexico, like feels like a long time.
01:19:03
Denis Tyrell
I'm like, holy shit. I still have like five days to go. And I'm like, this is a really long time.
01:19:07
echo_blades
Yeah.
01:19:09
Denis Tyrell
i don't think I would do it this long next time.
01:19:12
echo_blades
Yeah.
01:19:13
Denis Tyrell
Gone for seven days.
01:19:13
echo_blades
I don't know. you're going to cram in as much as you did, that probably from that moment, though, to when it was over, it probably went really quick. Like.
01:19:22
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, yeah, it did. it It was, there was a lot of driving because like I was at a, it felt like a lot of traveling because every two days I was in a different hotel.
01:19:23
echo_blades
Yeah.
01:19:30
Denis Tyrell
Um, and there was like, there was a lot of driving. I put a lot of miles on that car. Um, but you know, it was fine. I wasn't, you know, it was good to, you know, see a bit of Washington and some, some nice country.
01:19:30
echo_blades
Right.
01:19:39
echo_blades
Yeah.
01:19:44
Denis Tyrell
So that was good.
01:19:45
echo_blades
yeah Yeah. And Texas, um I want to say Texas is gorgeous, but like to to me, the, the the vibe and the atmosphere is just, it's so spacious, dude.
01:19:58
echo_blades
Like, especially when you got out of the the city of Fort Worth and Dallas, like just driving, like, it's just, I don't know to, I mean, it may sound crazy, but you know, we live in a very, very highly populated dense, like everything's on top of each other like everywhere you go.
01:20:04
Denis Tyrell
Thank
01:20:14
echo_blades
And then to just get on until you get out, you know, out across the Hill over the Altamont and shit like that, then it kind of opens up. But yeah, I don't go out that way much, but just how how vast, how many, how much space is out there. And like, it was, it was cool. I enjoy that.
01:20:31
echo_blades
It was a nice drive. ah Once I got into the, into the countryside and I, I, I really, I felt a lot safe there. I saw a lot of people caring. It was cool.
01:20:41
Denis Tyrell
Oh, I bet.
01:20:42
Denis Tyrell
I bet. Yeah, from here I was thinking, just thinking, from here you would have to drive probably an hour and a half to get to a point where you couldn't see another building.
01:20:42
echo_blades
Yeah.
01:20:56
echo_blades
Yes.
01:20:57
Denis Tyrell
Right?
01:20:58
echo_blades
Yeah. And you'd have to be on the one highway that, that allows you to do that.
01:21:02
Denis Tyrell
Like 120 or 88 or something like that. Like, even then, like, an hour and a half is probably pushing it.
01:21:05
echo_blades
Yeah.
01:21:08
echo_blades
Oh yeah. In the mountains. Yeah.
01:21:09
Denis Tyrell
you'd have to really probably two hours but well actually yeah that's true actually i was thinking oh because i'm going hunting on wednesday uh weather permitting and i'm thinking oh no even when i go hunting i can see a house so no that doesn't work either
01:21:12
echo_blades
Yeah. For real. Yeah. Yeah.
01:21:27
echo_blades
Yeah, no, it's there's there's shit everywhere. But yeah, it was cool. um But yeah, that was a long, long,
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01:21:37
echo_blades
long time away.
01:21:37
echo_blades
i just I was I was ready to come home for sure.
01:21:39
Denis Tyrell
yeah i really was too when i got home so my flight was like 5 45 a.m on saturday but the nice thing is i was home by 7 45. so i was back home before nine because it was out of oakland and we didn't yeah we did nothing all weekend can like and
01:21:56
echo_blades
That's a quick fight.
01:22:02
Denis Tyrell
and Only because we took the dog for a walk at like 6 p.m. Otherwise, i was in my pajamas so all day on Sunday. Like we did nothing but watch movies and lie on the couch.
01:22:10
echo_blades
Dude.
01:22:14
Denis Tyrell
I really needed that.
01:22:15
echo_blades
Oh, my
01:22:19
Denis Tyrell
What?
01:22:20
echo_blades
God. 17 to 3.
01:22:21
Denis Tyrell
Oh, it
01:22:22
echo_blades
And somebody just hit for the cycle. Good just gracious.
01:22:24
Denis Tyrell
I don't know what that means, but I guess your team sucks.
01:22:25
echo_blades
This is. You don't know what hitting for the cycle is?
01:22:29
Denis Tyrell
Is there a bicycle on the field? I don't know what that means.
01:22:31
echo_blades
Oh, man. So in baseball, one of the best hitting days you can have is you hit a single, a double, a triple, and a home run.
01:22:44
Denis Tyrell
Oh, baseball talk. So enthralling.
01:22:48
echo_blades
It's great. It's almost like you talking about doing nothing at home.
01:22:54
Denis Tyrell
I did get into the shop today. I put ah a good day in the shop. That's why I made some progress on that knife. ah Until my daughter called and said she had a flat tire. Had to go rescue her.
01:23:06
echo_blades
Oh, you know what?
01:23:07
Denis Tyrell
yeah but.
01:23:08
echo_blades
If she, if she had grip tech on those tires, they would never, they would never pop.
01:23:11
Denis Tyrell
um I know. Yeah, that's what we should have done Put some grip tech.
01:23:15
echo_blades
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So if you don't ever want your tires to pop, I don't know how this goes together here, but
01:23:26
echo_blades
if you're looking for some grippy handle material, uh, go check out our, our buddy Matt at a rock solid scales and get your hands on some of that, uh, grip tech and all the other awesome handle material that he has. Um, you'll have a grip tech knife this weekend.
01:23:45
Denis Tyrell
Oh, you keep saying that. i'm waiting.
01:23:47
echo_blades
Yeah, it's going to happen. I'm, so I'm stoked. I mean, it to yes, rock solid scales, GripTech handle material, um everything you need there. Go check out Matt. You can use the discount code TTT10 for 10% off.
01:24:03
echo_blades
We just had a listener and um I don't have it available here that used, ah got some Baker forged steel, some GripTech handle material. He shouted us out and said, ah you know, he used the the codes and um yeah, that was really cool to see.
01:24:19
Denis Tyrell
Nice.
01:24:21
echo_blades
So um be like that guy and do it.
01:24:25
Denis Tyrell
Do it. Do it.
01:24:29
echo_blades
But yeah, I'm, I'm inspired. I'm motivated to like it, having been so busy and not being able to get in the shop, like I'm, I have the the itch better than I've had in a long time.
01:24:44
echo_blades
It's, the The time with Micah, you know, ah then before I left when we were doing the to handle fit up on that um that chef knife too. So like, I'm going to, I don't have anything going on this weekend. So it's going to be a shop time. So.
01:25:02
Denis Tyrell
Well, this is my last free weekend. i um I have classes for the next, after this weekend, for three weekends. And then my wife's birthday, and we're going to Disneyland.
01:25:15
Denis Tyrell
And then I have more classes in May. And I'll be ramping up for a blade Show by then.
01:25:23
echo_blades
Yeah, that's yeah that's on my
01:25:23
Denis Tyrell
I'm already panicking.
01:25:27
echo_blades
that's on my list too as well. 18 to 3. Jesus, we suck. um
01:25:32
Denis Tyrell
ah We got to get those flights booked for,
01:25:36
echo_blades
Yes, we do.
01:25:37
Denis Tyrell
yeah.
01:25:39
echo_blades
Yeah, so I'm gonna i'm definitely going to finish up that that handle and get that thing all squared up. And then when I'm done, I'm obviously going to coat that thing up with our...
01:25:51
echo_blades
my premium wax of choice, which I know is yours as well. That's Pelican paste, Pelican paste, Travis Haynes, bird forge.
01:25:56
Denis Tyrell
Damn right.
01:26:01
echo_blades
Uh, you're in the market to wax up your grip. Uh, go check him out. He's got hard wax, soft wax, Pelican oil, hand solve, hand soap, uh, and all kinds of other good stuff. Um,
01:26:18
Denis Tyrell
And it smells like oranges. You can't go wrong.
01:26:20
echo_blades
It smells like freaking oranges.
01:26:22
Denis Tyrell
I'm going to be using it. Hopefully, if I finish this frame handle buoy tomorrow, I'll be lathering it up with some nice orange smelling wax tomorrow.
01:26:32
echo_blades
We can using that paste porn. I love it.
01:26:37
echo_blades
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01:26:45
Denis Tyrell
Yeah. Hey, let's do some maker spotlights.
01:26:47
echo_blades
i love this
01:26:49
Denis Tyrell
ah My maker spotlight this week is my buddy Steve Lockhart that I visited in Washington. So he is at Lockhart.KnifeWorks.
01:27:01
Denis Tyrell
And he's got a cool, I did appreciate his maker's mark, which is a lock and a heart. Lockhart. I thought that was kind of cool.
01:27:10
echo_blades
Yeah.
01:27:10
Denis Tyrell
um You'll see the the knife that he made up, the that we made together, or he made, i should say. Two of them, actually. the If you're looking at his profile, the third one, the chef knife with the, don't know if it's ironwood or coca bola. That one, ah we actually worked on that the second day, and he accidentally blew through the handle. um So we we yeah we couldn't finish that one, but he ah re-handled it, and it looks really good.
01:27:43
Denis Tyrell
um But, yeah, he he does a lot of chef knives. He's a big fishing guy, so he does a lot of... um um, fillet knives. So, uh, yeah, go check them out at, uh, lockhart.knifeworks.
01:27:52
echo_blades
Nice.
01:27:57
echo_blades
Yeah, he's got that old old style tattoo-ish
01:28:04
echo_blades
maker's mark. Yeah, that's pretty cool.
01:28:06
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
01:28:07
echo_blades
Yeah, good stuff.
01:28:10
Denis Tyrell
Yeah. I'm just an overall good dude.
01:28:12
echo_blades
Yeah, I agree. So ah my maker spotlight is ah a kid that I met at, while I was at Micah's house, who's kind of working out of Micah's shop for while, while he's in school over there Micah's town, Jake.
01:28:34
echo_blades
and stat from and stat forge. That's a N S T a E T T forge on Instagram. He's got a thousand and 37 followers.
01:28:47
echo_blades
Uh, this kid is doing some, he's doing the thing, really beautiful stuff. Um, and, I just, I think he was like 22, 23 years old.
01:29:01
echo_blades
and ah he was, he was probably there half the, half the day, ah working on a, a mosaic, his first mosaic billet. Um, yeah, it was, it was looking great.
01:29:11
Denis Tyrell
Sweet.
01:29:15
echo_blades
Um, but, uh, man, you'd say 23 old kid, uh,
01:29:22
echo_blades
And my experience with most people that age are, you know, the, it's pretty daunting. i feel bad for, for the future sometimes. Uh, this, what an outstanding young man, like just super, super good. Was able to like, you know, just ah the small things like look you in your eyes and have a conversation, you know shake your hand, just hold the conversation, you know getting out of college, going into, you know, a new job, making,
01:29:49
echo_blades
Really awesome work, man. Just a pleasure to meet
01:29:56
echo_blades
a kid like that, man. I'm just excited for what he's going to be doing there. So I wanted to give him a shout out. He's ABS Prentice. I think he won like a best chef knife at Texas Select in 24 too.
01:30:11
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, yeah. And he's a Forge and Fire champion, too.
01:30:14
echo_blades
Yeah. Is he?
01:30:16
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
01:30:17
echo_blades
I didn't know that.
01:30:18
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
01:30:19
echo_blades
See, he's so humble. He didn't even tell me.
01:30:23
echo_blades
Yeah.
01:30:24
Denis Tyrell
It's in his profile. In his...
01:30:27
echo_blades
Oh, yeah, I see that. Oh, that's awesome. So, yeah, well, there you go. So check him out. ah Jake Anstead and set forge. um Really cool dude.
01:30:37
echo_blades
And I wanted to give him a shout out So go show him some love and give him a follow.
01:30:40
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, he's got some beautiful knives.
01:30:43
echo_blades
Yeah, really does.
01:30:44
Denis Tyrell
Beautiful.
01:30:46
Denis Tyrell
Oh, and I see Micah on his profile there.
01:30:46
echo_blades
Cool.
01:30:49
echo_blades
where Oh, his profile, he's in Forged in Fire.
01:30:50
Denis Tyrell
Oh, it's down a ways.
01:30:54
echo_blades
I didn't even pick up on that.
01:30:55
Denis Tyrell
Yeah.
01:30:56
echo_blades
See? Cool. Yeah, well that's...
01:30:58
Denis Tyrell
I just gave him a follow.
01:31:01
echo_blades
Yeah, good for you. Listener of the show, so good deal.
01:31:07
echo_blades
um
01:31:09
Denis Tyrell
All right.
01:31:09
echo_blades
Bro, I think that's it.
01:31:11
Denis Tyrell
Yeah, I'm ready. to get I'm already. I'm going to go back down to the to the shop right now, but it's 10 p.m. at night, so I don't think I will. But early tomorrow, back at it.
01:31:19
echo_blades
Yeah.
01:31:21
Denis Tyrell
want to finish that knife.
01:31:23
echo_blades
Yes.
01:31:24
Denis Tyrell
Wait, tomorrow's tomorrow is, yes, Tuesday.
01:31:28
echo_blades
Tuesday.
01:31:30
Denis Tyrell
Hmm. Tuesday.
01:31:38
echo_blades
It'll be Tuesday all day.
01:31:39
Denis Tyrell
the
01:31:42
echo_blades
If you want to tell everybody you're pregnant, um I support you. Yeah.
01:31:44
Denis Tyrell
No.
01:31:49
Denis Tyrell
well All right.
01:31:49
echo_blades
All right.
01:31:51
Denis Tyrell
I'm done with you.
01:31:53
echo_blades
Same.
01:31:55
Denis Tyrell
buth by
01:32:11
echo_blades
And that's a wrap.