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Episode 79: Farah & Farah Presents... (AEW's Fight For The Fallen, WWE's Extreme Rules, NJPW's G1 Climax and more)
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This week come hangout as the boys chat about Arn Anderson, place's Meltzer won't go, All Elite Wrestling's Fight for the Fallen, WWE's Extreme Rules, the G1 Climax and the usual nonsense you've grown to expect!
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Transcript
Introduction and Arn Anderson Discussion
00:00:00
Speaker
Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of Predetermined, a Pro Wrestling Hangout. I'm your host, Garrett Callender. And with me, as always, a man who I'm sure is better than Arne Anderson, it's something. Derek Halpin. I tell you for sure, the one thing I'm not better than Arne Anderson at is the spine buster because it seems to be a pretty universal opinion in the wrestling community that Arne Anderson has the best spine buster in history.
00:00:27
Speaker
What do you think you are better than him at, though? There's something. There's something for sure. There's probably a lot of things I'm better at than Arne Anderson. Well, brag a little. Tell us what you think you're probably better than Arne at. Pokemon? Like the game or the cards? Both. Yeah. I bet he saw that. Video games. You hear that, Arne? Derek says you suck at Pokemon. What are you going to do about it? I bet you.
00:00:55
Speaker
I bet you a lot of money that even though I don't DVR a lot of shit, I bet you I'm better operating a DVR device. I bet you I'm good at setting up electronics in your household. I bet you can check your email faster.
00:01:11
Speaker
Oh, god damn right I can. Sorry, why this came up is today that face app thing. Everybody's posting pictures of themselves as old people. And I saw somebody just put Arn Anderson through the face app. And it was just a regular picture of Arn Anderson. It just pumped him out the exact same. Dude's 40 forever.
Wrestling Controversies and Hypotheticals
00:01:31
Speaker
40 for life. It's not necessarily a bad thing. No, it just sucked when he was 20.
00:01:40
Speaker
Right, but he doesn't have to worry about there being like a downward spiral at least. You are what you are. Yeah, he is that. And hey, I like Arne Anderson. I'm just saying. Do you really like Arne Anderson? Do you have like a strong opinion of Arne Anderson? I'm calling you on your shit. When you say, I like Arne Anderson, I want to go, really? What's your favorite Arne Anderson match?
00:02:06
Speaker
you don't have one yeah you uh you knew what i said was bullshit and you called me on it do i i don't know i remember enjoying arn Anderson in WCW i guess i guess the i guess says a lot because to me when i see i haven't like seen many arn Anderson matches i've seen a couple from you know right before i started watching WCW
00:02:30
Speaker
But the thing I mainly remember him for is the promo that he cut when he left the four horsemen and let Kurt Henning take his spot. And then the NWO parodied that promo the next week. And that was controversial. Was it controversial because you don't make fun of Arn? It was controversial because supposedly, depending upon whose side of the story you hear,
00:02:55
Speaker
I think the wives of the four horsemen thought that the NWO made them look like a bunch of drunk boobs was the way Kevin Nash put it. And the wives were kind of embarrassed, especially Arn's wife. And so they didn't like it. So they put some heat on the husbands. And then the husbands were like, oh shit, the wives are dogging us. And so then they got mad at the other boys. And we got ourselves an old fashioned locker room heat fest.
00:03:23
Speaker
Oh, we didn't get to finish that story in the re- See, that's the story I want now. If Janela were running a promotion himself, I feel like we would see Arn Anderson versus Kevin Nash in a Don't Talk About My Wife match. Is that gonna be like the main event after the Rock and Roll Express? Oh yeah, I might actually be seeing that this weekend at a wombat in Tolohoma, Tennessee.
00:03:48
Speaker
You're going to go see another one of those. I'm seeing a superstar Bill Dundee versus Joey Janela, my friend. I feel like you are an adventurer and your goal when you leave to go see wrestling shows now is just to go see oddities and not the oddities. I mean, oddballs, participants, match types, promotions. Like you seek out the weird.
00:04:15
Speaker
At this point, I think that's kind of, I wanna see some shit I haven't seen before. And that's how I wound up at my first GCW deathmatch event.
Listener Engagement and Wrestling Events
00:04:23
Speaker
Hey. Was that you just, I'm not yelling at you. It was a hell of an experience and we're gonna get to do that again relatively soon. But that's becoming your thing. You like that pop music, number one. Yeah. You go to a new movie basically every day regardless of whether it's getting good reviews or not.
00:04:42
Speaker
I'll be the judge of that, you know? Don't tell me what to do. I'm not telling you what to do. I'm just saying this is who you are. That was general to the world. Don't tell me what to do. You can tell me whatever you want. You look for weird wrestling. You like weird pro wrestling. And one of the things that needs to happen is we need to get some goddamn suggestions from our listeners.
00:05:03
Speaker
on some matches that we can watch for a watch-along. And preferably, the weirder the better. I'm getting a little worked up over this, if you can't tell. I'm really ready to do another one myself. Do you want to just do a block of weird matches? Absolutely. But we need suggestions, because there's supposed to be feedback. People are downloading this podcast. We can see that you're downloading. We know that you're listening. You're listening all over the world at this point.
00:05:31
Speaker
We know that you know some fucked up pro wrestling matches. We know you've been on YouTube at 2 AM looking up old ECW shit. Send that stuff our way. It sounds like we should do it for the, uh, I got, I was getting messages from queen of the ring and Chris from the curtain jerks over the weekend asking if I had watched GCW's pay-per-view over the weekend. It was a tribute to homicide. And the main event was Nick Gage versus lowlife Louie.
00:06:00
Speaker
And I guess Low Life Louie came out and they said the crowd was so hot and the show had been so good up until this point. And they said 60 seconds into this match. They said that the crowd was so hot that Low Life Louie actually shed a tear from how excited the crowd was to watch this match.
00:06:20
Speaker
It took him back to being on top. Yes, until Nick Gage put a pizza cutter in his head less than 60 seconds in, went so deep that the blood, I guess, was just gushing uncontrollably. Low-life Louie, I guess, put a t-shirt on his head and ran to the back, which is Nick Gage's new finisher, I guess, is to get his opponent to just leave.
00:06:41
Speaker
Like they can't take it anymore. It's not even a submission. It's not a quit. It's just that I'm done and they go home. So he went home and I guess he got on the mic and tried to cut a promo that, you know, being badass. And then they said that Jimmy Lloyd ran out there without any shoes on, which was clearly just them telling him like, go do something. The main event didn't happen.
00:07:04
Speaker
But it's funny because you kind of prepped me for this story in advance. He went out there with no shoes on and to me, was it that dire of a situation that they couldn't spare the 30 seconds to let him put some fucking shoes on? You don't know Jimmy Lloyd's boot situation.
00:07:23
Speaker
Apparently not. What's going on with Jimmy Lloyd's boot situation? No, I don't either. I'm just saying you don't know what Jimmy Lloyd's situation was when they yelled at him and were like, get the fuck out there and fight Nick Gage. Let me be very, very clear about this. I don't know anything about this venue. I don't know how long that ring that they were using has been in use. But I can pretty much guarantee you, if you ask me, I would not go barefoot
00:07:50
Speaker
on one of those fucking wrestling mats to save my life, considering everything that has happened upon them. As you were telling me all of that, I wanted to what you so bad.
00:08:03
Speaker
I was trying to do a little bit of a JFK. I was going to say you sounded like a politician, but then I realized I believe in a wrestling mat that's been cleaned at least three times a day. What? Can we acknowledge the fact that this is maybe the longest we've ever gone to open an episode without playing our goddamn music? You can. And we have talked about wrestling for the entire opening of the show.
00:08:30
Speaker
This is a rare moment, everyone. Don't get used to it. Soak it in. And now hit our goddamn music.
00:09:11
Speaker
I'm feeling loose. I felt like that was a good warm-up stretch. You think that was that a hot opener? It was. I don't know if it was a hot opener, but I felt like I'm loose now. I'm ready to talk some pro-razzling. Does that make me sound like an asshole when you say it like that? I don't mind. Pro-razzling. You know, does it feel like I'm condescending to you a little bit? You like that razzling, Garrett? I think some people have said that to me condescending. Was Ted Turner being a dick when he said that to McMahon?
00:09:38
Speaker
Probably. I don't give a shit about what I'm doing over here. I'm just doing it. I just know that raslin' gets a pretty big rate, Vince. I don't know if that's how Ted Turner sounds, but...
00:09:53
Speaker
Yeah, I don't think I've ever had anybody say wrassling to me like that before, but I can tell you that if they did, I would probably look at them with that gaze in my eye that suggests you're being in a condescending dick to me right now and you don't know shit. You don't know what I like. You don't know what I'm into.
AEW Fight for the Fallen Analysis
00:10:12
Speaker
And then I would say and then I would think about it for a minute and be like, you know what? If I could just put them beside me at that fucking death match.
00:10:21
Speaker
with shards of glass raining down upon me over and over and over again. I fucking lean over in their ear and be like, is this this enough rassling for you, asshole? Is that what this is? Fucking tetanus. See that blood pool there on the fucking brick floor?
00:10:37
Speaker
Once again, Derek Halpin going to the places that Meltzer isn't. Speaking of the places that Meltzer isn't going, so you remember last week I said, who wears an Enzo Amore shirt? Who wears the current Enzo shirt? Well, I had some friends. Did that hit a little bit closer to home than you expected it to? Well, I wasn't expecting to get a text.
00:11:07
Speaker
I figured it may be a tweet, but not somebody who has my direct phone number.
00:11:24
Speaker
iTunes name is that he left that review under real play a 69 or something Real G. Oh, it's real one real one. Sorry. Well something like that, but maybe that one was already taken on iTunes real 169
00:11:44
Speaker
Anyways, what happened? You got a text from somebody you know? Yeah, I've talked about these guys several times, Matt and Mike, that I know from Bola, and I have seen them intoxicated at various wrestling venues around the country. Very much enjoy my time with those boys. They always start some kind of trouble while I'm around them. Are these the guys that booed Meltzer? Yes.
00:12:09
Speaker
Yeah, that's good shit. Well, he said, you want to know who still wears the Enzo shirts? And then he sent me a picture of the two of them together in Enzo shirts with Enzo Amore. It turns out they went to that show at Whiskey at Gogo where Matt said that Enzo performed to about 50 people.
00:12:32
Speaker
And I can tell you, I have seen these guys yell at every wrestler you can imagine. And I knew there is no way they went to that Enzo show and did not get front row. And I just said, you sold for him, didn't you? And he sent back, oh, yeah, we were his biggest fans that night.
00:12:52
Speaker
He said that he talked to him in between every single song, but they basically stood in the front row and let Enzo know they were having the time of their life. And I think he fed off their energy and gave Whiskey a go-go, the show that a crowd of 50 deserves.
00:13:11
Speaker
here's the thing you and I had this debate like maybe they were hamming it up a little bit for Enzo maybe they like they're putting on a little bit of an act but if you go as far as buying and wearing the shirts
00:13:25
Speaker
and talking to him and staying for the show and throwing that much enthusiasm into it. Like, you're a fan at that point, right? I mean, to an extent. And I bet if you asked them that they would tell you that they are genuine fans of his. To this day. To this day! What kind of music is Enzo using on the Indies right now? Oh, probably his own.
00:13:51
Speaker
Yeah, that probably makes sense. Not quite as impactful as Jericho using his own music. But, uh... Yeah, see, eventually even Jericho got Fuzzy over with me, where I was like, yeah, Judas isn't that bad. I fuck, yeah, fuck yeah, I can fuck with Judas. Judas in my mind, I become, I become, I become man!
00:14:11
Speaker
But no, they, I found, so. I wasn't expecting that much enthusiasm. So what I was, yeah, I'm sorry. That sounds good. Yeah, it gets me going. It gets me going. So I say in the going places, Meltzer won't. Jeff Hardy's coming back to Nashville, Derek. Didn't he just get arrested? Yeah, he did. And they said that maybe this show won't be as good. And I said, I disagree. I think that means we got party Jeff back.
00:14:39
Speaker
This show could be amazing Carrot what don't do anything wrong with Jeff Hardy. I love Jeff Do you?
00:14:48
Speaker
Yeah, I actually do like, okay. Do you really love Jeff Hardy? What's your favorite Jeff Hardy match? The one where Randy Orton twists a screwdriver through his ear? Of recent matches? That's probably my favorite. Yeah, what are the other ones? WrestleMania 17, motherfucker. Oh, there you go. Beyond that, can you get to a top five? Do I have to give you any more when one of the matches is in my top five?
00:15:12
Speaker
I'm just, I've never known you to be a huge Jeff Hardy mark. I like a match step above Arne Anderson. No, that's okay. Okay. Fuck you. I went to see Jeff Hardy in concert at that show with the other 25 of us. And I was saying, I wasn't going to go less than Enzo. He probably, I would say equal then. So there were at least 50 people there. The majority of which were the WWE roster in the balcony, but
00:15:40
Speaker
Matt pointed out, he said I needed to go to that. And I thought to myself, I don't want to. That was a really bad time last time. And then I kind of thought, yeah, there really is no better reason to go again then.
00:15:51
Speaker
It's been about two years. I can see if it got, if it's gotten any better. And when is that? It's coming up, I think this month or next month, but either way, it's like 25 bucks and they're calling it a meet and greet. And the club that it's at, I'm told is very, very shitty. So I'm guessing the bathroom situation is a nightmare, but 25 bucks are calling it Jeff Hardy meet and greet. And it says, after you get your shit signed by Jeff, stick around for his band.
00:16:21
Speaker
That's gotta be a weird life, right? Like, would you be excited to be a member of a guy who likes music? You're in his band, but he's more well known for being a professional wrestler. I'm sure that was a problem for Fozzie for a while until they got to start opening for Metallica and shit. Well, what I'm saying is, was it ever really a problem? Like, if you're in the band, are you like, oh, this is bullshit. Does it hamper, like, your growth as a band?
00:16:52
Speaker
Well, I mean, don't a lot of bands, I assume, have to get angry with the lead singer for being the most famous guy in the band. I guess that's fair. There's no real difference other than they can draw a little bit bigger crowd because the lead singer's famous. And you also are pretty sure that you can't beat them in a fight. Well, they're good to have. They're good to have around. Hey, I guess this is as good an opportunity as any. If we've alluded to it a couple of times, we're just going to come right out and say it.
00:17:21
Speaker
You want to do something nice? It's the middle of the summer. It's hot, steamy. We might want to feel a little bit better than we do in the middle of the afternoon. Help us out. Go over to iTunes. Give us five stars. Leave a kind review. Tell us what you like about the show. If you do that, as you've heard by now,
00:17:41
Speaker
You can recommend something for us to watch, check out that's related even the slightest bit to pro wrestling. And we'll do that. We'll talk about it on the podcast. But right now, I'm going to go right back into my rant from before. We need recommendations on matches that we can do for another Watch Along episode for predetermined to pro wrestling hangout. Where can they send us recommendations to?
00:18:05
Speaker
They can email us if they want predetermined podcast at gmail.com. What oh our social media? What Russell hang out on Facebook and Twitter what? That predetermined podcast on Instagram. I'm one of the few people that loves what I love it to death I'm not annoyed by it. I don't you guys. I don't know you're wrong on this one No, I am you do I think anybody who can get a word like that over Good in my book
00:18:34
Speaker
Well, I mean, it was good for a while, but the problem was- You weren't even watching when that got over. That's what I think the problem is. You're really calling me on my shit today. Like you're, uh, you're just, you're not having it.
00:18:49
Speaker
I'm sorry. Hey, I'm just seeing what's going on, man. Do you got something going on? Maybe I did crank it up to 11 a little bit too hard. No, go ahead. Call me on my shit. That's fine. People need to know if I'm not being truthful to them. I just feel really good this week about pro wrestling. We all should. Don't you feel good? Hasn't it been kind of an exciting five or six days here? It really has just been one good thing after another.
00:19:21
Speaker
And it seems like that's kind of the consensus. Like, I mean, there's probably nitpicking differences here and there, but overall, everyone seems to be in a pretty good mood with the state of wrestling across the board. The three major promotion. Well, I'm just want to say the three major promotions all had a show this weekend and they were all good.
00:19:42
Speaker
No, we can't say anything for Ring of Honor and TNA, right? I said the three major promotions. Yeah, I just wanted to get that dig in there. Hey, hey, hey, you know I love all the wrestlers, most of the wrestlers.
00:20:00
Speaker
But you can't be on the pioneer network or pop TV or access. I don't know where I don't know where they're at anymore. That's part of the problem. And we're not on a major network. It's a little bit harder to keep up. But we try. Hey, we do try. I have an app for Ring of Honor. They have a pay per view once in a while.
00:20:25
Speaker
No, I really do love a lot of people. I don't need to explain myself. I've talked so much about how much I love everyone on both of those. I put you over pretty hard a couple of weeks ago, so I'm just keeping everything in check. You don't owe anybody an explanation. Oh, that's my ringtone now. Like, what is that? It sounds like somebody just paying you a lot of compliments. Oh, it is. It's Derek on our pro wrestling podcast. Hey.
00:20:51
Speaker
So what show would you like to start with? Because I didn't really catch any of the G1. I know you kind of went through that, but we were excited also primarily to talk about how well Fight for the Fallen went and how well Extreme Rules went. Yeah, let's start off with a Fight for the Fallen. Did you have any issues this time? I didn't have any issues. This went very, very well. And I got to say,
00:21:18
Speaker
If I was gonna have a little bit of angst towards you on something, it took you a while, and eventually it was fine.
00:21:26
Speaker
So if you've listened to a past episode, you know that occasionally it'll be past my bedtime and I'll wake up to Garrett having sent me 15 texts about him watching wrestling at home alone and getting excited about it and wanting to talk at me about it. And that's fine. That's what we do. We have a podcast. These things happen. However, where I get a little bit pissy is when there's actually a show going on
00:21:53
Speaker
and I try texting Garrett about it, and he doesn't say shit for a good long while. I had a handful of people over. Fuck them all. Do you do a podcast with those people? I have with one. Garrett was there. One of the first things I texted you, because I really didn't do any research on where they were doing Fight for the Fallen at,
00:22:23
Speaker
I love the venue. I texted that to you. Something about that theater style venue and it being outdoors and the show starting in the daylight. I thought I was into it. And I think the other thing that I was into, not just the venue itself, I kind of like shows where the entrance ramp is at an angle.
WWE Extreme Rules Reactions
00:22:44
Speaker
from where the ring is so they come in you know a little off center because it's always kind of weird when the like it was one of the things that bugged me about when I watched that Tessa Blanchard versus Sammy Callahan match where there's the ring and then immediately behind the ring is the ramp like it's a little too on the nose of like hey you can see when people come out this way
00:23:02
Speaker
I kind of like, I don't know, just feels better aesthetically. And even the wall there. Like at first I was like, I don't know if that's good camera positioning, just kind of have a wall back there. Nope. I was into it. I think we've been discussing this show wrong already.
00:23:25
Speaker
Have we? I think we have. I think we started off on the wrong foot. I agree with you completely. The venue was incredible. I like making it feel like a night at the opera. And that is, I'm pretty sure how the seating is at an opera. Did you watch the new Being the Elite?
00:23:42
Speaker
Uh, fuck, I actually didn't watch this week's. So here's what I knew, I felt it in my soul. I just, I didn't know how to put it in the words. They explained that Tony Khan got the idea for doing the show there from South Park. What?
00:24:01
Speaker
When they did the WWE episode of South Park a few years ago and they were treating pro wrestling like a dramatic theater production where the kids come out and they perform like on a stage, these dramatic wrestling moments and it's over the top, it takes place
00:24:19
Speaker
In like a theater like a theater like with the rounds curvature seating and everything and that's and they should put a side-by-side of the picture in the being the elite episode of What it looked like and what it was and it was almost spot-on. I Really really enjoyed that venue. I loved it being outdoors. I loved the setup It looked like there wasn't a bad seat. It did look like there were some empty seats up top. Yeah Yeah, do we know how many that venue held?
00:24:49
Speaker
have no idea. It didn't matter to me because the crowd was into the show. Yeah, the crowd was hot and it didn't look like the place was empty. The one thing that I was gonna say we should have started, you know how WWE pretty much starts every show by like, Snickers presents WrestleMania.
00:25:07
Speaker
Farrah and Farrah law firm had so much placement in this show. So much placement. Like the logo for Farrah and Farrah law firm was bigger than the AEW logo on the main screen. And their name was on both sides, like on every side of the apron twice.
00:25:32
Speaker
Did this bug you? I just couldn't stop thinking about it. Like, I wanted to commit a crime. Like, I can't even utilize this product. I was going to say, you're not from the Florida area. Six hours of watching a show telling me to eat a Snickers, I can. What am I supposed to do with Farrah and Farrah?
00:25:53
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, we're just going to gloss over that? No, I don't really have a huge opinion on that. It didn't stand out that much to me, Garrett. Well, then you were watching the show wrong because I commented on it throughout the entire thing. I was watching the show incorrectly because I didn't notice the sponsor heavily. They tried so hard for you to see that. And the fact that you didn't see it
00:26:38
Speaker
That's fair. That's fair. I just I censor out advertisements at this point. Like there's some people who don't even like product placement in movies and television shows. It doesn't bother me because it just makes it feel real like the movie is different. Could you ever see that movie SWAT with Colin Farrell and Sam Goddamn right. I didn't. Well, I didn't. If I recall, there is just an unbelievable amount of Dr. Pepper sponsorship in that movie where they're just constantly passing Dr. Pepper billboards and soda machines.
00:26:47
Speaker
I don't know what else they could have done, Derek. It was everywhere.
00:27:10
Speaker
Are we done talking about SWAT? Jesus Christ, come on. We're done talking about advertising on pro wrestling shows and getting to the actual wrestling part that people want to hear from us about. Okay, fine. Farrah and Farrah Presents Fighter Fest was a fantastic show because of the following matches.
00:27:26
Speaker
How did you like that Sunny Kiss entrance? I actually loved the shit out of Sunny Kiss. I had never seen him wrestle before, so this was awesome. This was a great introduction. I am still kind of tired of the librarians, but you kind of knew going in that Sunny Kiss was going to take that librarian out.
00:27:45
Speaker
I actually disagree, the librarian thing won me over. What did they do different this time that it won you over? I think it took me until later in the show to really set in, but what happened, there was like when that fucking brawl broke out in the ring, I think it was between, was it between Hangman and Jericho? And then they pulled them apart and everyone did the library, shh, and it came back later.
00:28:12
Speaker
I kinda laughed. All right, so it's getting over with you. It's getting a little bit over with me. Like it's admittedly dumb, but so is Rusev Day, and that got over. Doesn't take much. I was actually thinking about Rusev last night. Do you think he would, I picture him going to Ring of Honor eventually. I would be fine, I don't know. I actually think Rusev is an athletic, pretty damn good wrestler.
00:28:42
Speaker
I would like to see what he could do out on his own. I just don't know if he'll ever be able to get as over as he was like a little, like a year and a half ago. This is what we do. We go on tannins. We're trying to talk about fight for the fall. Next thing you know, we're having like a fucking, you know, philosophical debate on the state of rusev. That's what we do here. And that was a thought I had. And if I didn't throw it out, I would forget it forever and we'd just move on. Yeah.
00:29:11
Speaker
What did you think? How did you feel about Sonny Kiss's finisher? The split thing from the top rope? I'll be honest. I've watched so much wrestling trying to remember what his fini- Describe it to me. He does the split. He does a split from like you're on your back and he does a split from you from the top rope. On you from the top rope. Like he lands on you in the splits position? Yeah. Like his dick is taking the majority of the blow?
00:29:40
Speaker
Yeah, that's pretty good. This is a show you watch, but you were too distracted by the fucking law firm that they were using on the ring. Yeah, I was too busy looking up to see if there was a Farah and Farah anywhere near me to see that finisher. It's like, where's Waldo? Also, this was just a longer show than I was expecting it to be, too. Yeah, it was like four hours. It got close, didn't it? Yeah, I think so. I think it ran long, longer than they expected.
00:30:10
Speaker
What's the first thing in the show, though, that really grabbed your attention that you were like, oh, I'm all on board? The six-man tag match. MJF, Sammy, Sean. Yeah. Darby, Jimmy, Joey. I thought that was fun. And I think there was a moment where this is where I started getting frustrated with you, because I started talking to you about how I felt about Darby Allen. And it took you a while to respond, because I had made the comment,
00:30:40
Speaker
I don't like Darby Allen, but it has nothing to do with his performance in the ring or who he is or what he can be. Just something about his appearance reminds me of like the shitty creator wrestlers that you would see people do on WWE games online. Like there was just something about it. Just that there's a kid who thought like, I'm going to half paint my face like Jack Skeleton. That's going to be really fucking rad. And in my mind, I'm like, that's kind of lame.
00:31:04
Speaker
See, to me, I very much- I'm trying to shit on Darby Allen, but do you get it? Yeah, I do. I really enjoy Darby's work in the ring, but if I had to critique one thing of him visually, you did nail that, but I think it's weird that he wears little jean shorts over his tights. Yeah. That's maybe- He looks like somebody I would see frequenting Hot Topic.
00:31:30
Speaker
I feel like he's somebody that would be in the back of the arcade playing Dance Dance Revolution, and I would look at them just a little too long. Yeah. That's fair. He is built like a man who would be great at Dance Dance. Did this match? Was this the moment where they kind of drew you into, or was it a different moment for you?
00:31:51
Speaker
Honestly, I was enjoying myself the entire show. I think every match had something to offer, but it did hit a certain- I mean, this show, you know, got progressively better as it went. I am gonna have such a hard time remembering anything from this show other than that SEMA match.
00:32:11
Speaker
Well, let's, we can jump around here. We don't have to go in order. We had a bunch of stuff we wanted to talk about. I think I loved the dynamic during the six man tag of MJF and Sean Spears not really liking each other. And it was, oh, we got a comment on this. Joey Janela is over like a motherfucker. Oh yeah. Like that made me so happy.
00:32:38
Speaker
that the last time you saw him on an AEW show, he was losing to Jon Moxley in a death match. Fast forward to this, they're chanting his name as he comes out. His prediction about him being an AEW jobber, I don't think that's gonna be what happens for the record. Do you think he could be a guy that is like a top guy of the mid card?
00:33:08
Speaker
Yes, I do. This six man is basically just showing you like, hey, here is the main mid-card talent. Correct. And I fucking love all six of these guys right now. Yes. I think they're going to have one of the strongest mid-cards in wrestling. It made me appreciate Jimmy Havoc.
00:33:28
Speaker
I cringed so hard. There were so many spots where I thought people got killed in this match. I didn't like the Joey Janela Death Valley driver on the ring apron to Sammy Guevara. I thought he killed him. He looked like he dropped him right like on the back of the head neck area, like directly. Full body weight. I think. Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead.
00:33:53
Speaker
No, go on. I was just gonna say the thing about seeing this type of six man on this show, because immediately we were all kind of talking about how this show felt more like a TV taping than a pay-per-view.
00:34:06
Speaker
But I don't mean that in a bad way. I mean, like, I felt like this is what the weekly show was going to be like. But I feel like we're still going to get to see these really good six man matches, you know, where we're still getting this fast pace, exciting, you know, seeing a guy take that move on the apron and that kind of stuff. Well, I saw some comments online that I actually did agree with, which is that it's going to take a while before we figure out what an AEW show feels like.
00:34:34
Speaker
Like it's hard to get a grasp on that stuff when they technically would only have four or five under their belt if you include all in. Yeah. I mean, what this is, this is technically number, this would have been number four, I guess. Cause they had double or nothing. Fighter fest, fighter fest and fight for the fallen. Yeah. That's all they've had as a EW. Yeah. So three, well three and then kind of all in.
00:35:03
Speaker
Well, okay. If we're including all in. Yeah. Um, so it's w it's hard to see if that, like, we've talked about this in the past is the indie formula where you just copy and paste everyone's stick or gimmick and how it works at an indie show and just do it in front of the camera. Does it work the same when you're interacting with other wrestlers who are more or less serious than your character? How's that going to work? Um, I thought this six man tag match.
00:35:31
Speaker
I think that was the reason that I liked it so much is because it made me feel like it's a variety of different characters. And it felt OK. Like it felt like, yeah, I can watch this. How did you feel? Well, let's get this out of the way now. Brandi Rhodes as a wrestler, it was that. What do you want to say about that, I guess?
00:36:00
Speaker
It was the worst match of the night. I think it went way too long. That's how it felt for me. The thing is, I do like Brandy. I like her on the microphone. I think they have too good of wrestlers right now for her to be... You think she sticks out like a sore thumb? Kinda. Yeah, I don't like saying that.
00:36:23
Speaker
but that is how it feels. I do have to apologize. I do. Do you? No, we haven't apologized to like, we didn't apologize to Bailey when she got the shit beat out of her with that kendo stick. Well, right. But that wasn't, that was a work, man. We're just, here's the thing. I think there was a lot that was confusing about this and I can kind of see where
00:36:46
Speaker
It was like, like the promo package that aired before her match would implicate that she's going to be a baby face. It's trying to make her dream come true because people don't think of her as a wrestler and she's in a wrestling company, but she wants to be a wrestler and they, you know, show her like tearing up and everything. And it weighs on her and it was emotional. And then she comes out and she's playing the role of the heel and they brought awesome Kong out, which was awesome.
00:37:15
Speaker
But you figure out, oh, that she was out there to distract from the fact that, like, Brandy really can't work very good just yet. And I say yet. I say yet, because I'm giving it time and I don't want to be the guy that's like, you're never going to make it. She's got a lot of people around her. And I think with time, she can be fine.
00:37:37
Speaker
Yeah, especially, you know, when you're around Kenny Omega in the Bucks and that many people who can train you. I mean, look how quickly Hangman Page moved. I'm confident she'll be able to get there. I just don't know when you have such a good women's roster right now. I guess she is one of the bigger names on it, but... Do you think she should stay behind the curtain until she's ready?
00:37:59
Speaker
I don't know I mean it kind of seems like they're setting her up to be a Stephanie McMahon of AEW Fair enough of the women's division and I like her on the mic I don't know if I want her as a heel authority figure, but whatever I don't care at this point like I want I'm gonna let him I'm gonna wait see where it goes What did you think about hangman's match? I Was I'm just always excited to see him now I
00:38:26
Speaker
And I feel like Kip Sabian wronged us all by dating Penelope, even though that has nothing to do with him, really. Are you holding that against him right now? Unfortunately, I feel a stronger connection to Joey Janela, where I'm like, you're hurting my man Joey over here. I'm sticking with him. He's hurting your bro? He's hurting my bro Joey. And I'm going to see him fight superstar Bill Dundee this weekend.
00:38:52
Speaker
Boo! Oh, I was booing Kip Sabian and giving him thumbs down the whole time. And when he's like, dude, what the fuck? And be like, I know what you did. You're dating my man's ex. He's like, was I not supposed to? Not if you want me. My respect, you want that t-shirt money? Not today, bud. He's like, I want to be happy. I want to be happy with the person I'm with. And you're like, I don't care about that. All I care about is the pro wrestling part, and that affects me.
00:39:21
Speaker
You're just being a selfish dick. You should date the person that makes you happy. I wonder if they took Penelope away as Joey's valet. It looks like they did. I think they may have. But honestly, if she's gonna be there just in the women's division, I love that even more. I think she's awesome. And I think Joey's gonna be just fine without her. Joey, I don't want to say you can do better, but...
00:39:47
Speaker
You can do different. You're going to be fine, Joey. If you're listening, you're going to do just fine. It made me smile when I heard the way that crowd reacted to you when you came out. Keep it up. What else you want to talk about? Because there's still a couple other matches from this show we need to get into.
00:40:03
Speaker
Always gonna love CNN, Helico, and Jack Evans on a team. Those two are... Yeah, I'm just, I'm gonna be very thankful to AEW for putting them back together as a tag team and letting me see it. I'm gonna never get tired of seeing them. I thought it was weird that they just kind of took Marco Stunt out there with Jungle Boy and Luchasaurus. Luchasaurus is over as fuck! Oh, he, we were talking about that. He is going to be the toys that the kids buy in AEW. Yes.
00:40:32
Speaker
I might buy one myself. He is super over and I like him. I think he's funny. I love him on BTE. He's fucking talented as hell too. And we looked up what his master's degree in or his PhD was in, I guess. And it was actually in like medieval history.
00:40:53
Speaker
So, Luchasaurus is a doctor in medieval history. That's fair. Uh, SCU versus the Lucha Brothers. What did you think of this? Because I thought this was fun. Dude, this was the match we needed SCU to have.
00:41:25
Speaker
Can we just for a moment address the fact that AEW is going to have a badass fucking tag team division? Holy shit, man. I can't even I mean, and right now there's still speculation that LAX is going to sign with them. Yeah. Which we know they have two shows in Chicago all out weekend. They're never know they're defending the belts at both AAW shows.
00:41:28
Speaker
Yeah they're back.
00:41:51
Speaker
And of course, the big news out of that is that the Lucha Brothers, after winning and defeating SCU, have challenged the Young Bucks to a tag team ladder match at All Out. And I believe JR said, I'm getting word that after they had just said it. So we knew and it was, I thought he was getting ready to say the like, I'm getting word that six or that five, four people are going to die in the ring in Chicago. There's going to be.
00:42:20
Speaker
Mass murder. That's gonna be a wild fucking match. Yeah. That, I mean, it's funny because like you kind of just get to sit back and be like, all right, who are they gonna pair up for matches? And just, I mean, is that fair to say? Like you look and see who's available still on the roster. Like they haven't announced who Cody's facing yet, but you get an idea, right? I mean, we all assume Sean Spears, I think. Yeah.
00:42:49
Speaker
I don't know, man. And then, dude, the next match happened. And I said at the beginning of the match, I was like, I'll be honest, I just don't care about SEMA. I have seen him wrestle. I respect him. I just I just can't get that excited about it. And then God damn it, if they didn't go out and put on one of my favorite matches I've seen this year. Yeah. Yeah, this was a fucking I don't remember.
00:43:20
Speaker
I remember enjoying the whole match, but I can tell you specifically the moment where I said, holy shit, this is on another level. Did that happen to you? I did. I wonder where, where it was for you though.
00:43:35
Speaker
The moment where it was for me is when they fought outside the ring and then SEMA went up like on the fucking whatever the railing, the fucking next level of the seats. And he did the double knee drop to Kenny. Yep. On the, what would you call it? Like the transport boxes that they have for storage? Yep.
00:43:56
Speaker
And I just remember Outline being like, Holy shit. Like, how do you even like, here's the thing that we never talk about. And I've, we, I feel like I'm always the guy that's like, we never, we never take time to appreciate this part of pro wrestling. I'm being that guy. They had to go out there and be like, what's a cool spot we could do tonight.
00:44:14
Speaker
And then I had to be like, okay, so what I'm going to do is I'm going to put you on this fucking storage box and I'm going to climb up here and I'm going to jump and I'm going to drive both of my fucking knees into your upper chest. Shoulder region and roll off and it's going to look fucking awesome. They had to draw that up. They had to go look at the props and the vicinity of the ring and be like, that's the thing we could do.
00:44:40
Speaker
And is that impressed trusting somebody to do that then fucking it sucked me into the match and I went holy shit
00:44:47
Speaker
They're fucking going to kill each other tonight. Well, I mean, the guy is a veteran. He knows what he's doing. Kenny Omega is best in the world. He knows what he's doing. You know, you say things like that and we get used to those fucking tropes and we just go out of their professionals and know what they're doing. How much of a professional can you be at fucking jumping off a thing and driving your knees into somebody without fucking hurting them? I was going to say ask Shane, but I don't know that he ever doesn't get hurt when he does that shit.
00:45:14
Speaker
Well, that's what I'm saying is I think there's an assumption here that like, they'll be fine. And there's part of me that's like, yeah, they'll be fine. But it also just kind of hurts. Like it just it's straight up them doing that thing. And this moment sucked me deeper into the match. This was like an easy five stars. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And it almost felt like
00:45:38
Speaker
You know, Seth Rollins was talking about being the best in the world the other day and it was all it almost felt like Kenny Omega was like, hey, just a reminder, just a reminder. I don't know how much anybody cares about this match, but just to show you that at any moment I can do a five star match.
00:45:54
Speaker
And see, seeing that on a show like this where he, this wasn't the main event and also them doing strong style, you know, in an AEW ring kind of showed me that, you know, I'm going to get a little bit of everything. And that's really what I want right now. I just want a wrestling promotion that's going to give me a little bit of everything. So I'm not just seeing the same match over and over again.
00:46:16
Speaker
Right. No, I was losing my fucking mind over this match. I was up on our social media, tweeting out a bunch of fire. So yeah, SEMA and Omega was fucking amazing. And I just, we don't really have to say anything else. It was definitely match of the night. Not that that's a shit on any of the other matches. I just think this was a fucking match of the night. Yeah, it was. I mean, maybe you said you were going to carry this one with you for a while.
00:46:43
Speaker
Yeah, I wish there hadn't been so much other wrestling this weekend because it's one I really want to watch again. You know, because throughout this, because I had, you know, four people over. So who I was over, Neil and Sarah, I'm giving everybody shout out to Neil, Sarah, Garrett, Kevin, Jeff.
00:47:00
Speaker
Thanks for coming, guys. Great time. But, you know, when you're watching wrestling with a bunch of people, I kinda watch it like you and I watch it. You know, cracking jokes, just having a good time. But when that SEMA match came on, I shut the fuck up. Like, I was maybe talking for the first couple minutes and then just shut the fuck up and just let it happen to me.
00:47:22
Speaker
Was anybody else letting it happen to them or was that like? Oh, the room got you experience. The room got quiet. I think everybody could tell they were watching something special. See, now you're getting sentimental. They were watching a moment that they would remember for the rest of their lives. I don't know if I'll remember it forever, but I think at the end of the year when I'm making a top 10, I'll think like, God damn, that was a pretty good one.
00:47:49
Speaker
Did they do a good job on this show of getting you more excited for Jericho and Hangman between the attack Jericho had on Hangman and the promo he cut towards the end of the night and then Hangman came back out and got his retribution?
00:48:08
Speaker
What's weird is this is one I'm already excited for, so I don't know if the promos and everything got me more excited for it. But I am at the same level of excitement I have been consistently, which is a lot of excitement. I'm definitely gonna be in the Sears Center chanting for Hangman during this one.
00:48:30
Speaker
Um, I'll just throw the, see, I'm on good terms with Jericho again, so I don't want to say anything that gets me, you know, blocked or shunned. I'm not nuts about the Judas effect finisher, the elbow. It just seems like a move in the middle of a match.
00:48:52
Speaker
Like an elbow. Like I still think a code breaker and the walls are fine. And obviously he still uses those. I'm just saying. He made a point to hit the fucking Judas effect on Hangman and it fucking gave him a black eye and cut him open. And that's about it. I don't think there's anything. I don't know. Whatever. I think it's a move that's easier for Jericho to take in this part of his career.
00:49:19
Speaker
That's fair. I just, I'm not nuts about it. I'm excited for the match. They've done a great job building towards it. I think people are going to speculate back and forth on who they think is going to be the first AEW champion. Everyone kind of has their theory on who that should be.
00:49:36
Speaker
I know that some people hate the idea of an elderly Jericho being the first AEW champion in this new promotion and everything. I don't hate it. And I also don't hate the idea of Hangman either. I think we've put Hangman over so much on this podcast that nothing else needs to be said.
00:49:58
Speaker
um what did you think of the main event because i i remember you texting me at one point saying the main event between the roads brothers and the box didn't do much for you and it wasn't even that i i think it was a good match not a great match but a little too long it went a little too long this one went just over a half hour i think
00:50:19
Speaker
and the problem is it had followed a match that I couldn't stop thinking about and I was watching that match thinking about the match I had just watched and I think they don't want that.
00:50:33
Speaker
I also think, like we said earlier, it did feel like a really long show, and the crowd, I'm not gonna say they were out of it by this one, but you could tell they were tired, you could see people in the audience fanning themselves because they were hot, it was humid. And this match, I think it just went like maybe 10 minutes too long.
00:50:52
Speaker
Like I understand that it was supposed to be an emotional climax and everything. I thought it was fine. I didn't think there was anything particularly amazing about it, but I thought that I understood why it was the main event. I still think the best match was SEMA and Omega. Yeah, I did.
00:51:09
Speaker
go ahead yeah i mean they put the match at the end that was going to sell the most tickets and yeah even if you if you told me that sema omega was going to be the main event i wouldn't have been as excited as i would have for the announcement of that other main event right so it makes sense to me still it's just kenny went out and stole the show
00:51:28
Speaker
Was the stuff at the end of the show with the check and Kenny closing the show was that was that just me or was that awkward as fuck. Well I love the shit out of it I love that they're talking and they're like oh we're running out of time and then no one knew if they were on the air anymore. And just when Cody hands the microphone to Kenny and in the middle of talking.
00:51:49
Speaker
just see Matt go over and whisper something to Kenny and just seeing that realization on his face like oh fuck I didn't even think about that what am I gonna do yeah yeah no that was my reaction too and it was kind of it made me a little sick to my stomach too because it was like it was like all of a sudden
00:52:07
Speaker
this group that has made a shitload of money the last three or four years off of a faction called Bullet Club was doing a fucking show for the victims of gun violence. And Kenny Omega ends every show by saying goodbye. Mwah. Good night and bang noises.
00:52:33
Speaker
And all of a sudden, you could just see Kenny's entire life from the last fucking decade.
00:52:42
Speaker
Just maybe a decade, but you know what I mean? The last five years flash before me like, oh fuck, how did we not think of this until now? And we just had to come up with something and they came up with fucking boing. What was funny is that this is all, it felt like Cody's fault because Cody's the one that's like, he's the one with the catchphrase and then hands it to him and he's like, yep, I am.
00:53:08
Speaker
Oh fuck. Fuck. Cody. Why can't you just give one of your passionate promos to close this goddamn show, Cody? Yeah, just say something. That would have been fine. Just say something sentimental. Just end it with that. That's all we need. We need you to go out there and do your DiCaprio pro wrestler shit and leave Kenny out of this. He just put on the match of the night and now you made this guy who looked so cool before say boing.
00:53:36
Speaker
yeah there was there is something really hilarious about wasn't matt leaned in and whispered into his fucking ear and you could just see the the look in kenny's eyes go from oh shit what do we do now like you just took away my catchphrase motherfucker you just said now you get to hear the catchphrase you came to hear
00:53:58
Speaker
Uh, yeah, a very, very awkward ending, but understandable. Like I'm surprised they didn't think about that earlier, but getting to see them witness that moment was maybe the most human Kenny Omega's ever looked in that ring. So if we, let me ask you the question. If we were lucky enough ever in our lives to be able to, for this podcast, interview the elite.
00:54:21
Speaker
for like 15 minutes. Would that be a top three question we would ask? Honestly, at this point, yeah, I'd rather ask that than anything about Okada. Just be like, how awkward was it at Fight for the Fallen when you guys realized like, oh shit, Kenny can't do his closing remarks, given the circumstances.
00:54:42
Speaker
And I just love to hear how they were not prepared to handle that. They hadn't even talked about it. That, to me, is hilarious. This is the part of the show we're the best at, just going out and getting the crowd hyped, making them feel like they're leaving a cool party.
00:54:59
Speaker
I'd be like going to the rock and be like, all right, Rock, go out there and do your shtick. However, you can't refer to yourself in the third person and you can't use the word smell anymore. Go get him, buddy. But you tell him that right as he was walking out of the curtain. And now he's told all of those things are very, very offensive now. You're the most famous man in the world. What you gonna do?
00:55:25
Speaker
This was a good show. Some people, our good friend, Jeffy, he said that he thought it was his least favorite of the shows that AEW has done yet. Where does this rank for you? I guess now, if we include all in, I guess four. Ah!
00:55:47
Speaker
damn I hadn't even there's I mean with there only being three I hadn't even really considered ranking them just because you know there was stuff I liked and didn't look I guess not really maybe this does come in third but I also enjoyed that SEMA match so much that it feels like it bumps it up a little higher I felt like there was a lot to like about the show honestly I liked this show more than fighter fest
00:56:11
Speaker
that was my take. In fact, I would go as far as saying beyond the main event of fighter fist. There, like I felt like this was a big improvement. I felt like I got way more out of this. And the venue was nice. Well, and this was it an actual wrestling show and not a convention. So, so maybe the crowd, you know, they definitely knew what they were getting into come into this this time.
00:56:38
Speaker
Either way, I'll give the show a thumbs up. That was fun. And probably no more free shows from here on out, right? I don't know. Maybe after all out, maybe they start doing some free ones again if they're going to do these smaller shows.
00:56:54
Speaker
Once they get that TNT deal, man, I'm just hoping, you know, maybe we get everyone's going to be sucking that tea. Just give me a couple more freebies before October, man. Come on. I think we're made of $60. I don't know. I only paid $9.99 for fucking extreme rules this weekend and I got plenty out of that. Yeah.
00:57:14
Speaker
I went into this show. I didn't read anything about it. I just threw it on at the end of the night. I started it after it already aired. Did you know about any of the shit leading into it? Or was this just a situation where you just pull up and say, all right, WWE is doing a pay-per-view, what's going on? No, I mean, we talk about pro wrestling on this podcast we do, so I'd heard a little bit about it.
00:57:52
Speaker
this era of WWE show. This could be the last time we get to watch a pay-per-view that ends shitty and weird or just as uncomfortable or bad or just awkward the whole way through. Did not get that. Not even a little bit. I enjoyed this thing front to back. What would you say was the down moment of the show for you? Let's get the bad stuff out of the way first.
00:58:06
Speaker
I wasn't going in blind.
00:58:19
Speaker
what was not necessarily bad, but what do you think? Like, eh, whatever. Throw that aside. I can only come up with one thing and I don't feel great saying it cause I don't like complaining there. What is it about being the champion at WWE that just somehow makes you unlikable?
00:58:42
Speaker
Are you talking about the main event? I'm talking about Seth and Becky. I did not even mind the main event, but it is crazy. Like I know it's yeah, it sucks that they don't have great chemistry on screen, but they don't. And it is pretty hilarious.
00:58:57
Speaker
did did i mean i i felt like i was ranting about that and i had said it to you through text messages about it's just like there's something about it like people can try to deny it and be like you're just being one of those wrestling fans that once they get to the top you don't fucking like him anymore just to be cool i really didn't have an issue with seth and tell his shit was will osprey and then i forgave him for it because he apologized but really
00:59:22
Speaker
It's something like I'm fine with Becky and Seth being happy together as a couple off screen. I think that's fucking awesome. I think if you work in an industry like pro wrestling and you're able to find a significant other and make it work, that's great. I can tell you from the moment I found out about them being a couple, I thought, oh my God, I hope they don't make that a thing on screen because it's going to detract from both of them and make both of them look unlikable.
00:59:52
Speaker
It definitely is. There are couples that when you see them, you think, man, I'd like to go out to eat with them. And there's couples that you see that you're like, that would be an awkward fucking dinner that I'm not calling them back to hang out again after.
01:00:08
Speaker
I'll tell you, like me, John Cena, Nikki Bella, and my wife, we could sit down and eat. I know they're not together anymore, but when they were, there was something about them as a couple that did not annoy me. Like you thought you could shoot the shit with them and just laugh and be normal? Like it seems like Seth Rollins and Becky Lynch's
01:00:29
Speaker
is the thing that makes them interesting as each other? And that isn't why I liked either of them before? Correct. But it does seem like they abandoned that on Raw a little bit, right? I didn't see Raw this week. I didn't watch Raw this week, but obviously I get the highlights and I see what happened. Can we talk about what we liked? I just wanted to get out of the way.
01:00:56
Speaker
I because I wanted to say like the one that really didn't do much for me was Kofi and Samoa Joe. I like it just kind of ended abruptly and
01:01:05
Speaker
I don't want to say I want to see Kofi lose the championship because I don't know if that's necessarily where I'm at, but it's getting to the point where I want to see Joe's champion. Like really, really bad. I think he's fantastic on the mic. I think he looks awesome. I think he has good matches when they give him time. And I don't know. I was in my mind, I was like, man, maybe, maybe. And they did some fun stuff with the steel ring steps in his hand and everything. But.
01:01:32
Speaker
Eh, it was kind of a whatever. I was kind of disappointed there. I thought them opening the show, as you had said to me, with Undertaker and Roman Reigns against Shane McMahon and Drew McIntyre, I thought was a excellent decision. Not in a million years would I have guessed I would have enjoyed this match as much as I did. And what was it about the match that, like, how long did it take for you to realize, oh, I'm actually invested in this?
01:02:02
Speaker
Honestly, it didn't take that long. It felt like pretty quick into it. Undertaker showed us that he was there to do a good job. And I felt like that was kind of the theme of the night, is I was watching everybody in the ring try and do a good job for me. It seemed like everybody cared on this pay-per-view and was trying really hard. And I think Undertaker got to wash the taste of Goldberg out of his mouth. That's exactly what the fuck this was, and it made me happy.
01:02:32
Speaker
You know, I'll take every opportunity to remind everybody that Goldberg's fucking dog shit. So it makes me happy that Undertaker felt obliged to come back for a, what is essentially a B level WWE pay-per-view. It's not one of the big four. He felt like it was necessary after super showdown to come back and do a pay-per-view. So he's like, Hey guys, I know I'm not great at this age, but I can still be pretty good.
01:02:59
Speaker
And this was the best taker match I remember seeing in the last few years. Absolutely. And it was cool because they didn't do the typical thing that you'd think that they would do where they don't have taker in the match until like 10, 15 minutes in like for the hot tag. Like he was in that some bitch like within the first few minutes.
01:03:20
Speaker
And he was in it for a long time like the yeah Roman it took forever to get in and I enjoyed watching Roman ringside He would he looked like he was genuinely marking out for the Undertaker He absolutely was and
01:03:36
Speaker
I know I'm not alone when I say this. I popped for the Roman Reigns spear on Drew McIntyre after the excellent camera work showed Drew McIntyre coming up behind Undertaker. And then before he gets a fucking move in, skadoosh spear. And, and how long has it been since you've genuinely popped for a Roman Reigns spear?
01:03:58
Speaker
Oh man, it would have been, I was still a Roman fan, I guess before WrestleMania 30. Or no, before 31. That space between 30 and 31. Somewhere in there, I remember really, really liking Roman a lot. And this got me to pop off my couch and cheer because Roman Reigns saved the Undertaker.
01:04:27
Speaker
And I was invested, boy. You do know they have a shirt. Together? Yeah. Just so you know, if you want a shirt that says graveyard dogs on it, with a couple of fucking dogs on the front, one of them looking a little bit older than the other one. Like one has a hat. I think WWE still got there. Buy one, get one for a dollar special going on right now. So hop on over there.
01:04:55
Speaker
Yeah, I do need a shirt to commemorate that match that one time at Extreme Rules 2019. You have a fucking Jack Swagger shirt somewhere in your closet. I don't, because if you remember that episode, Marie Kondo got me to get rid of it. Oh, that's right. He's coming to Nashville soon with Hall and Nash.
01:05:15
Speaker
Let's talk about Extreme Rules some more, because there's some more good shit on here. We don't have to go through every match, but what was some other things that got you to pop? Aleister Black and Cesaro can just have matches for months, and I'd probably be fine with it. Yes, take them to SummerSlam. Let them keep doing this match.
01:05:35
Speaker
They just did it again on SmackDown this week. Was it as good? Yeah, it was a little shorter. But yeah, and they added the spot where Aleister Black hit the black mass. And when he hit it on Cesaro, Cesaro spit his mouth guard out. So it went flying from the black mass. People are still into it. I wouldn't mind if they just gave them like a best of seven series at this point.
01:06:00
Speaker
I like I like I'm excited to see Cesaro as a single star again. He deserves this. He is still that good and he needs matches like this once in a while to remind everybody. I think Cesaro and Biggie fall into that category of guys that have not gotten that chance as a singles guy yet to shine and people want to see it.
01:06:23
Speaker
I agree completely. And also, Aleister Black, that black mass looks so fucking painful. It looks like he just straight up just kicks your face off. Yeah, I don't know how, as a pro wrestler, how that works. Like, how does that not hurt? How's that not just you getting kicked in the face like anybody else would? I'd love to have somebody explain that to me. I don't. I just want the magic to live forever.
01:06:49
Speaker
Uh, new intercontinental champion, uh, on the kickoff show. I actually missed the kickoff show. Yeah. Um, they had a pretty good match and Nakamura's back essentially is what people are saying. He's the new IC champion. That it's going to be him versus Mustafa Ali at summer slam. That seems to be what they're building towards. Yeah. That's actually a pretty interesting matchup. I'd be excited to see.
01:07:14
Speaker
Yes. Yeah. Um, they hinted about that on smackdown. They had Mustafa Lee congratulate Nakamura. Um, how hard did you pop for KOs match? I, I, I'm embarrassed to tell you.
01:07:31
Speaker
I was watching this pay-per-view alone with my fucking roommate and he's laying on the love seat and I'm in the recliner. I don't know what to expect. I know that I had the same sentiment as you earlier in the week when it was supposed to be Ziggler versus Owens on SmackDown. I really didn't care about that match. I've seen plenty of people online complain about this Extreme Rules match because they're like, why couldn't they just let Owens and Ziggler have a really good long wrestling match?
01:07:59
Speaker
And in my mind, I'm like, I'm sure I saw that like four years ago. I don't care now necessarily about seeing the guys have a good match. He hit that fucking stunner motherfucker. I popped up after he got that three count and I said, fuck yeah. And I meant it. I think I pumped a fist.
01:08:19
Speaker
It felt so good. It was like fucking Bronze Roman Redemption from last summer. So much. It felt so good to be like, ah, I'm on the other end of how that feels. Do you like Kevin Owens throwing all these stunners on TV now?
01:08:35
Speaker
Yes, I can't get enough of it. Since Austin's supposed to be back for this raw reunion, do you think him and Owens will talk about their stunners? Or do you think Owens will get stunnered? Or maybe they stunner the McMahons together? That's kind of what I'm hoping. Dream scenarios abound here, where you could just have those two stunnering the entire roster. They could just have those two stunnering Shane McMahon back and forth for five minutes. They could have Austin stunning Vince.
01:09:03
Speaker
and Owen's stunning Shane. But you know KO isn't drinking that beer. I know that he doesn't drink, but I think he might make an exception to drink a beer with Stone Cold Steve Austin. Because even Mick Foley says he doesn't turn down that opportunity. Yeah, that's just something you don't do. What about Punk? You think Punk would drink a beer with Stone Cold break his edge? From what I hear, CM Punk did a shot for four Harley Race.
01:09:35
Speaker
This is a true story. A shot of what? Uh, I don't know, whiskey? I wish it was something fun. Like, you know, just like a- Rum Chata! Like, he broke his fucking straight edge lifestyle with like the pussiest fucking alcoholic beverage you can come up with.
01:09:57
Speaker
Don't degrade people for what they drink, Derek. I'm a big fan of a tea drink. I'm not degrading. I love rum chata. You're going to give me a drink that's served to me in a pineapple with an umbrella hanging out of it 100% of the time. Put it in my mouth. They'll pay $20 for that every time. Every time.
01:10:15
Speaker
I did dig this whole card top to bottom. I was into the Ricochet AJ Styles stuff. I'm kind of excited about seeing AJ Styles as a heel again. I think that's how I perform. I think he's really good at playing a smug asshole.
01:10:36
Speaker
Because I think people see him in his hair and I think that's how they feel. Like when they initially see him. You know what? I can think of something that Enzo and Cass said that made me laugh so hard and it's still funny to me. AJ Styles, you and your soccer mom haircut keep doing soccer mom things.
01:11:04
Speaker
What else? Yeah, remember? Oh, yeah, we left one thing here and I know that that might be what you're bringing up. Go on. Yeah, Baron Corbin hit Becky Lynch with an end of days and I popped out of my seat. Yeah, let's talk about that motherfucker because I know that we've gotten some feedback from some of our new listeners in particular. They enjoyed our conversation about intergender wrestling last week.
01:11:31
Speaker
Yeah, it's weird because I've still like all week people have been talking to me about intergender wrestling. And true. Yeah, I've had multiple people come talk to me about it from because of what we were talking about with Sammy and Tessa. And it kind of seems like the consensus is and I do tend to believe this that it seems like my problem with it is when a heel is actually effective and Sammy Cali. So I guess the problem is, Derek, I got worked.
01:12:03
Speaker
So it was was Baron Corbin. You said you popped for it. Oh, I popped 100 percent. Like it was also because it was one move and not super devastating.
01:12:19
Speaker
I loved it. It caught me off guard. I mean, honestly, that's the main reason. Because they went there? Yeah, I was not expecting that. And it makes Baron Corbin look like the biggest piece of shit in the world. It actually gets people mad at him. This is maybe the first thing he's done that could draw heat. But is he the wrong guy to do it to? The best part about it is he does it to fucking Becky, sets over there in disbelief, and he pops up and looks at him and points, what the fuck are you going to do about it?
01:12:52
Speaker
three curb stumps. I can read just hypothetically. I know this is an uncomfortable topic. No, go ahead. If I gave Leah a stone cold star and then popped up and said, what are you going to do about it? I didn't hit your wife. I used a fucking pro wrestling move on her. The fucking end of days is basically a swing that ends with you belly flopping.
01:13:21
Speaker
It's still weird that he did it to her either way where he's just like hidden. It really does show how big of an asshole that character is. I'm becoming more and more convinced that people are wrong about Baron Corbin. Did this move finally put him over? No, I've been wondering for weeks if everyone's wrong. What are we wrong about? It's not go home heat. He's just a really good heel.
01:13:52
Speaker
Is it because, I mean, sometimes if you're not that exciting of a wrestler, that's heat there as well. And then when you're shitty, honestly, is he just like kind of how everyone was tired of Miz a few years ago? I think he has one of those faces. I think the way he dresses, I think the way he talks, that there comes a point where when you start listing all the reasons why you don't like him, that it's just that he's good, he's perfect. He's fucking perfect.
01:14:22
Speaker
I feel like we're gonna have some people disagree with you on this. Like, I'm sorry, like, you may think he's boring, but he's fucking eliciting a response out of you. It's visceral. Like, I'm not telling you he deserves a main event fucking run with the title, but motherfucker, like, after a while you have to stand in awe. Hey, I said the same thing about, um, Eva Marie.
01:14:49
Speaker
I'm still on the team, Eva Marie. I think they need to bring her back. She was doing good work and people were pissed. How do you feel about Lesnar catching it at the end of the night and walking out with the title? Do you just not give a shit at this point? I didn't care. I don't care. Like I don't want to watch Seth versus Lesnar again.
01:15:14
Speaker
But is part of the reason you don't care or you don't mind because of how you feel about Seth the last few weeks? I mean, for sure. For sure. But it is also how I felt about Lesnar the last several years. And I hate that they play a game like he's gone. He's back. He's gone. He's back. Honestly, I think it would have been fun if he had an unsuccessful cash in.
01:15:41
Speaker
Somebody had brought up. Becky should have chair shot him in the head.
01:15:44
Speaker
I was wondering if that was gonna fucking happen. Like if she would have got him in the disarmor or something or fucking attacked him from behind and he got disqualified and then F-fived her. You took that further than I would have. No, that's probably what I would have fucking written. If I'd been on the writing team and be like, fuck, she just took a fucking end of days, what's wrong with an F-five? Think about how hard the crowd would have popped though if she took out Lesnar.
01:16:14
Speaker
They would have gone ape shit. They would have gone nuts. And it would have made, once again, the most interesting thing about Seth Rollins would be that he has a really cool girlfriend. But he does. He does. But that doesn't make me want to hang out with him. I want to hang out with his girlfriend. So I guess whatever. I don't know what's going to end up happening with the Universal title. Don't care.
01:16:42
Speaker
That's not necessarily a good thing to say about Raw. I do think it's weird that like, I guess the next night they had a 10 man battle Royal and Seth is getting another shot. Like they could have just had him invoke his rematch clause, but they had to make him earn another rematch. I thought they re they did away with the rematch clause in WWE. They did, but they basically didn't if they're just like not doing anything new.
G1 Tournament and New Japan Speculations
01:17:05
Speaker
Yeah, fake. So they basically said, you don't get a rematch, but we booked you for a rematch. We're this far into the show and we haven't even mentioned the G1. I want to go over a couple of things real quick if that's cool. No, go into it for sure. How weird is it that Ibushi and Naito both currently have zero points? Considering how popular both of them are?
01:17:28
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, honestly, wouldn't those have been two people you would have picked to be potential winners at the end and not that they still couldn't. I think it's just surprising that at this point Naito lost to Tai Chi and Toroyano. Yeah, that's weird. Toroyano beat him in three minutes and 42 seconds with a roll up after some shenanigans where he pulled his shirt over his face.
01:17:54
Speaker
What else? Moxley has won two now. He beat Cobb and he beat Tai Chi. I heard that he beat Cobb like he did like a like a off the top rope or off the ropes with the death writer. Yeah. Moxley. How'd that look? I mean, it looked good. I'm still trying to figure out how I feel about Moxley because so far in New Japan, we're seeing him have these like his first match. Both of these matches were under 10 minutes.
01:18:24
Speaker
And the matches I've enjoyed so far have been more New Japan long matches. And I'm just ready to see Moxley have one of those. You know, see him have a long match with a Naito, with somebody that I'm going to be excited to, you know, see him be in the ring with a long time and see if he can hang like that. You're ready to see him have an epic. I want to see an epic New Japan match. Do you think he can have one? Exactly. I have no idea.
01:18:53
Speaker
Because I've heard you, I've heard some other people say that like they've never been more excited for Dean Ambrose slash Jon Moxon more than they are right now. And yet you're still technically waiting for that reason, right? I think I enjoyed what he's done with AEW. And I have enjoyed, I haven't not enjoyed what I've seen him do in New Japan so far. But I'm ready to see that match that is going to push him to the next level in New Japan.
01:19:20
Speaker
What if that match happens at all out with Kenny Omega? I'd love that. I mean, I would be fun. You know, if he didn't. Well, I would like to think he has that match before all out in the G1. I think maybe not. You're you're right. It could never happen. Because if it was me, I would totally save that for my match with Kenny.
01:19:45
Speaker
That's true. I guess it depends what they're doing with him over there. I still just hope to God that they can get a working relationship with New Japan. Just picture if, you know, maybe for a month like you get a Naito on AEW. Just have him have a short run with somebody there just once in a while. Send your guys. There's too many good people over there to not want to trade once in a while.
01:20:07
Speaker
That may change after they start getting regular TV time on TNT. They may be able to work out something where it's mutually beneficial to trade talent. Yeah. Because I'm sure New Japan would like to have some of their stars featured over here on primetime television on fucking Wednesday. Yeah, it would be great for everybody. You know who put on a great fucking match? Ishi and Cobb.
01:20:35
Speaker
Those two beat the fuck out of each other. I mean, within the first seven minutes, Cobb's chest was purple from Ishichops. These two, I mean, this is just two large men just manhandling each other. It was, that's exactly what I wanna see. It was like 18 minutes long, got a good long match out of that. What else did I watch? I watched Okada versus Sabre, which I think I posted a picture. He gave him the banana split and looked insane. Well, do it, never want that.
01:21:04
Speaker
Probably that's that's some typical s or zsj shit right there. Oh, yeah And actually saber has lost both so far. He's lost to okada and sonata Osprey versus sonata was awesome
01:21:20
Speaker
And word is that Osprey is injured, but he says he's still gonna compete, which tonight, at 5.30 in the morning, actually, this podcast should be out before this actual match airs, Abushi versus Osprey. And Osprey says they're gonna fucking kill each other. They may be. They may be fucking unleashing hell on each other. And especially if he's injured, maybe he's holding out for this match.
01:21:49
Speaker
Do you think that Osprey could be the next top guy over there? Yes. The crowd really loves him. Do you think he could be that Kenny Omega replacement they've been looking for? Yes. One hundred percent. I just I wonder how they could get him there.
01:22:08
Speaker
There are certain wrestlers and there's not many but there's certain ones that like they fall into that category of like like you took your sister to the G1 Climax in Dallas and
01:22:20
Speaker
I'm sure Will Ospreay is one of those guys that if you were going to be like, you're a casual viewer. Let me show you somebody that I know will hold your attention because what they do is going to blow your mind. I think Ricochet falls into that category. I think Will Ospreay does fall into that category. And I don't know. I'm high on Will Ospreay. I think he's going to be the shit. Yeah, I'm definitely
Listener Feedback and Show Wrap-up
01:22:43
Speaker
staying off of Twitter all day tomorrow so that I don't see how that match ended, because that's one I just want to see.
01:22:51
Speaker
I'll spoil it for you. Oh, thank you. What else do we have tomorrow? In this one, we have Evil versus Sonata, which will be fun. Kenta versus Lance Archer, which Kenta is, Kenta and Lance Archer are both undefeated right now. Tanahashi Sabre Jr., Okada, Bad Luck, Falle. Let me see, what do we have in the next couple of days to look forward to? Tomorrow, Ishi Moxley. Oh God. See, there's what I want, but I'm afraid it's just gonna be another eight minutes or so.
01:23:22
Speaker
I guess we'll find out. And then in another couple days we get Okada Osprey. You got a lot of fun shit on the way, Garrett. Yeah, plus this weekend doing GCW, taking my wife to sit front row, going to that wombat show, which is kind of weird southern wrestlers versus some of the GCW roster. Do you remember the very first SUP show I went to? I talked about a man named Uncle Biff stealing my beer.
01:23:51
Speaker
Yep. This Saturday night in Tolohoma, Tennessee, I will be watching Uncle Biff face Nick Gage in a barbed wire match. Can it just be said that you were a giant Nick Gage fan? Love Nick Gage. If I had to make a top 10 wrestlers list right now, it would be hard for me not to put Nick Gage on it. That's so wild from where we were like a year and a half ago.
01:24:17
Speaker
I don't know how often you can see a character that just feels so authentically terrifying. Because he is. That's who he is. That's who he is. But yeah, that'll be fun. Also, before we get out of here, I want to mention this. So last week I talked about leaving that Carly Rae Jepsen show and, you know, I talked wrestling at it. My Uber driver that I mentioned that I talked pro wrestling to sent us an email.
01:24:45
Speaker
read that email because it warmed the cockles of my heart.
01:25:08
Speaker
but I liked the serious talk about how intergender wrestling makes you feel. We need more shows that are about how much people love pro wrestling and not just some Mark's bitching about how they could do it better than Vince McMahon. You guys have a new fan? Because I don't have any wrestle friends in Nashville, having a show that'll be talking a little about what's happening in my territory is a nice change. Feel the best, Mike.
01:25:31
Speaker
That makes me happy. Mike, you made both of us very happy. When I moved here, I didn't have any wrestling friends in Nashville. And all my wrestle friends that I've met, I met through going to shows, whether it was Arrow Lucha, I met people at Southern Underground Pro. Mike, you'll have to come hang out with us at Southern Underground Pro sometime. Meet the group of wrestle friends I've made since moving here.
01:25:56
Speaker
See Nick Gage and Uncle Biff. Yeah, or just meet us in Tolohoma and see some crazy shit. Tell Garrett to hook you up with a sticker and a button, too. Did you just wink at him and give a gun click? I did, actually. Well, don't make that click sound. Do boing. Boing.
01:26:16
Speaker
Derek, we got anything else? Should we have anything? I do have one thing. I just wanted to say, I appreciate the commentary at fight for the fallen for taking a moment to point out that Joey Janela warmed up for that six man tag match by getting into a fight with Enzo at the blink one 82 concert. I thought that was amazing that they worked that into the fucking broadcast hats off.
01:26:40
Speaker
That's all I got this it was very nice here in Jericho say Joey Janela as well Garrett take us out of here. You're the you're the guy to do that
01:26:51
Speaker
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01:27:22
Speaker
Well, I think that's all we have for you this week. We'll be back next week watching wrestling and talking about it. Alright, hit our goddamn music.