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S1 E14: BHB - Would you f%#k me? I'd f%#k me; I'd f%#k me hard!
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Pete kick’s us off with a rundown of the staggering number of beers he managed to consume in Vegas before we jump into American Gods, outdated movie references, the Defenders, and all things Stanley Kubrick. We bounce through some recent video game titles we’ve been playing before closing out with a brief revisit of Guardians 2 and the Hannibal TV series.
Beers reviewed this episode:
1) Mikkeller – Beer Celebration 2017 – Sour Ale – 7.7%
2) Last Rites Brewing Co – Dead Man’s Revenge – Black IPA – 6.7%
3) 3 Ravens Brewery – Little Ravens – Tripel – 9%
4) Edge Brewing Project – Stagger Lee – Imperial Stout – 10%
For more info on your hosts and the podcast, please visit us at www.bhbanter.com.
Thanks as always to Jarrod from Zendoke, Brad Bishop, and Justin Gonzales. And to you, dear listeners, who make all this possible!
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Transcript
Welcome and Introduction
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Welcome to Episode 14. I will keep it brief. Check out our website bhbanter.com. Hit us up on social media under bounty hunter banter or bhbanter if you're on Twitter. Leave us a five-star review and comment on iTunes and tell everyone how awesome we are on Facebook. In fact, tell us too. Chris is manning his PC waiting for you to reach out to feedback at bhbanter.com to tell him exactly what you think of him. Make sure you do email him. He's in his fishnet stockings and he loves to reply in a husky voice. Lucky for us, you can't hear emails. Anyway, I just got back from my trip of debauchery, so I'm going to leave you to the episode so I can get back to recovering.
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I've got this weird rash I've got to sort out too. The nice lady in the parlour said he was nothing to worry about, but it looks like it's growing eyes and a mouth, so maybe I should get it checked out. Nah, should be right.
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Welcome back to Bounty Hunter Banter for your regular dose of beer and pop culture. I'm here with Pete. Howdy. I'm Dan, so we're your two regulars and tonight we've got a very special guest, one of our good friends and friend of the show, James.
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Special is definitely an underrated word, but yeah, we'll go with that to start with. Unfortunately, Chris is fairly sick and busy at the moment. Well, that's what he claimed, but I heard another rumor that he had a bit of an accident with the waxing pot. But anyway, something about not being able to walk. The back sack and crack didn't get a plane this time around.
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We've all had a little bit of a dose of the flu, and unfortunately Chris's dose of the flu overlaps with the recording of this episode, so he's had to sit out this one. But we've got James in to fill in. He's just as crude as Chris can be, so we'll see what happens from here on out.
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I mean, you're setting the bar pretty low. Yeah, yeah, fair enough. We have four beers to try as per usual.
Beer Tasting and Features
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We have Michaela from Denmark. We have a beer celebrations Copenhagen. It's a barrel aged sour at 7.7%. We've got Last Rites from Tasmania.
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Dead Man's Revenge, Black IPA 6.5%, Three Ravens Triple from Vic, 9%, and Edge Brewing Project from Vic at 10%, and it is a Imperial Stout, that one. Lovely. Oh, nice. And it'll be my first Black IPA too.
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Oh, okay, cool. These were hand-picked by the man himself, Wen, at Quakers Friends down there at Quakers Cellars. Unpaid plug, but he does keep a fantastic selection of beers and keeps us going back with him and his boys always giving us great recommendations, as we always say on the show.
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We'll get into it a little bit later, but I'm going to make some requests of when throughout this episode too. Well, actually that's where I was going to go straight onto.
James' Trip to Vegas and Beer Culture
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You've just come back from Vegas, so why don't you give us a bit of a breakdown of your beer tour around Vegas with those multiple beer menu pitches you kept sending us.
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I found it really surprising and impressive and I was jealous as fuck that. Everywhere you went and we're in Vegas, right? So it's not a real town. It doesn't really, none of it's real. It's just excessive to the extreme. It sets a new bar for excessive. Um, but every place you went had a craft beer menu and there would have been 10 craft beers on tap or in packaged product everywhere you went. Didn't matter how small the bar was.
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And in fact, I didn't realise until the very end of our 11-day trip that the small bar attached to the hotel reception, just at the base of the fucking hotel we were staying in, had a Cicerone certified... Oh yeah, you sent that to me, yeah. Yeah, so everyone that worked there was Cicerone certified server and they...
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I'm looking confused now. Cicerone is, it's only just sort of made its way to Australia, being the classes are being done by the Institute of Beer. So if anybody's keen on becoming a certified Cicerone, that's who you got to contact. It's basically, well, it's not basically, it is.
Cicerone Certification Explained
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What a sommelier is to wine, a certified Cicerone is to beer.
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And you're talking at least 12 months of specific study around passing the cert after you are already a beer nerd. So it's a pretty serious, pretty hardcore fucking set. So this bar is stocked by Cicerone and everyone that worked for them was Cicerone certified server.
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They do another course beyond understanding beer and everything that goes into beer, which is the Cicerone course. The Cicerone server is taught how to serve beer properly. So what glasses to use, how to respect the beer, the perfect drinking temperature, how to talk about beer, you know.
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You have all these craft brewers putting so much time and effort and love and sweat and tears into making amazing beer and you go to a dirty pub that serves the beer in a fucking dirty glass and the be one of the wrong temperature. It's disrespectful to the craft brewers as far as I'm concerned.
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I was I was at a craft beer bar only kind of in last week because I was really sick that must have been the week before and I got served in a dirty glass it had bubbles all up the side of the glass and I'm like I mean this guy's really nice and I don't want to be a dick and he knows who I am you know what I'm just I'm just gonna drink it no it's um
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So anyway, so everywhere I went, we were drinking from 10 o'clock in the morning until 3 o'clock in the morning. So, uh, although we hit the G and T's at the blackjack tables. So just quickly, um, the, the two mainstay beers that we were drinking were Sam Adams, um, Boston Lager and Goose Island IPA. So pretty much everywhere we went had those two beers. Um, the pools that we were sun baking in had those two beers.
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So that was kind of our basic beer. So Sam Adams is from Boston and obviously Boston Lager and Goose Island is from Chicago. Yeah. And I'm not going to go through every beer I tried because there would be several hundred. But once it stood out for me, Brooklyn Brown Ale was amazing. Brooklyn Brown? Yeah. Yeah. That was an amazing Brown Ale. I'm not going to say it's so easy to drink. I know.
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Uh, Tenaya Creek hauling oats, which was an oatmeal stout. Um, that was amazing. So I actually noticed I was tending to go for dark beers, which is very unusual for me. Yeah, definitely. Um, but porters, oatmeal stouts, imperial stouts. Yeah. Um, I had a mango IPA from anchor brewing and a grapefruit IPA from someone. I don't remember who the brewer was, but didn't like it. Didn't like it. No. What was, what was this? What didn't like about it?
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Too much grapefruit. Too grapefruit juice or peel? Was it juicy like that? No. Not like that. No, it was like too much pith. Yeah, okay. Too much pith bitterness. And so, you know, the first couple of mouthfuls were great and then after that it just got way too bitter and sharp. You know, you got that real citrus twang and it would just overpower the flavour of the beer. Yeah, okay.
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Um, speaking
Tasting Danish Sour Beer
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of citrus twangs, um, we have in front of us, uh, Michaela from Denmark, the Michaela beer celebration. Um, they're from Copenhagen and it's, uh, Michaela beer celebrations, formerly known as CBC is the sixth beer celebrations we've held since 2012. The festival is one of the most recognized beer festivals in the world.
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It's basically, it sounds a little bit like their gabs. They get people, they get the brewers to come with a unique beers. They pour them from there. Once the kegs are done, they're done. There's no more doing it. This is a barrel aged sour. Yeah. Yeah. You've got it already. You've already, you've already tried it. This is zingy as fuck. Like it's like sucking on a wedge of lemon. Yep. It takes me back to the old warheads as a child.
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Yeah, definitely. Yeah, it's got that real lemon zing to it. It's got a little bit of woody oak on the nose. You can taste the barrel. Yeah, you can taste the barrel. I can't. I've only had one sip. I can't get past that lemony zing yet. So, yeah, I'll just quickly finish the standout. Sam Smith's Nut Brown Ale was probably my favourite of the whole trip. That was amazing.
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Followed pretty closely by Moody Tongues caramelised chocolate churro baltic polter. Okay. Which is a mouthful. I tried everything from Chicago Brewing, so we went into one of the casinos in Old Town and asked for a tasting paddle and it was a tasting lazy Susan with nine mini steins in it. Nice. We started off sober, we ended up not sober.
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Well, those beer menus you were sending me, so I'm working my way through it. We're fucking long. Yeah, there were some big beers in there. Last one I'll mention is Joseph James Hefferweissen, which is an interesting vice beer. It was probably the palest beer I've ever tried. It almost looked like water and very light on the palate, very easy.
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I'm not going to say it. Dan's still a bit sick, so every time I make him laugh, he fucking goes into a coughing fit. But yeah, it was great. In terms of beer, I spent the whole 11 days thinking, you know, Dan, Chris and I need to do a fucking Vegas tour just for the beers. And that'll be the excuse we tell our wives. Tax deductible. That's right. Tax deductible.
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I don't know. I don't know whether the, uh, the cirrhosis of the liver is tax deductible after you get back from something like that. I've been on detox a week. In fact, this is the first drop I've touched since I got back. So I've been back a week now. Oh, you started on an eight bit stock aid. So yeah, that's a good start.
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Um, that, uh, Michaela, I like that. I did that, that zingy lemony gets a little, you've, you've heard into your, uh, sample there too, James, there is more in there too. If you want to get into it, I just didn't, uh, didn't know what your thoughts were on sour beers. So I didn't call you a too big one. I'm a fan of sours. Uh, the lemon put me off at first.
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It was a bit like what you said, you sort of had to get the, uh, get past that lemon. Yeah. And then you sort of, then you can start to enjoy. It's like when you do suck on a lemon wedge, the, it really hits you to start with when you do it a couple more times in the, in the same sort of sitting, uh, you get used to that sort of sour lemons and I feel that the same there.
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It's nice. I think it's really good. I think it's a really nice barrel aged sour. I mean, the barrel doesn't overpower it for what could potentially come in straight over the top. Yeah, you're right. It just adds a bit of complexity to it, which I'm enjoying. This might sound a bit gross, but I still think it's relevant. If you happen to burp after drinking some, you get pure lemon. It's like chewing on a piece of lemon in your, in your coke. Yeah. Okay. Just thanks for sharing.
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So, going from your Vegas trip onto our first pop culture topic, I've been waiting for James to get onto the show so we can talk about this because he's the only one that I know that has any... Class, null, finesse. Go with that. Any interest in it, or you guys will probably have interest in it once you hear about it, but American Gods, we both
Neil Gaiman's 'American Gods' Discussion
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thought... Neil Gaiman.
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Yeah, Neil Gaiman's book. We both saw that the TV show is coming out. We both said we're going to read this before we watch the show. And that was actually before we even decided to talk to each other. Exactly. Yeah. You messaged me or I messaged you saying, have you seen it? Because we're both Terry Pratchett fans. You got me on the Discworld. Neil Gaiman is in along that same line. They've written a book together, which they're actually making into, I don't know whether it's a mini series or a series itself, but they're making bad omens into a
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into a series as well. Yep. So that got announced last week as well as something else. I can't remember what it was off the top of my head, but there was bad omens and some, a Discworld one and something else. Yeah. Yep. Yep. I think I saw that come up on my Facebook feed and what have you. Yeah. Yeah. So they're doing that. So American Gods, huge book. We, I know we both commented that we were a little bit daunted by the, uh, how big the book was. It's 600 plus pages, but I,
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pumped through it, like absolutely hammered through it. It's a really, really easy book to read. So to set the premise for Pete, it's set in America, of all places being called Americans. It does have gods in it. So intuitive. It's aptly named. I'm not going to go into too many spoilers. This is talked about very, very early in the book and you get the drift of it quite quickly, that when people traveled from the old world,
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to the new world, being America, they brought their cultures and basically they brought their gods and their fairy tales with them. And they, all these gods have existed within American culture since these people have come over. So you've got people from Norse mythology. When the Scandinavians came over, you've got people from, you've got leprechauns from Ireland. To be sure.
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You've got African gods that have come over. You've got Eastern European gods that have come over and they all exist within the American culture. And it's basically a story of the old gods coming to terms with the new gods. So the new gods would be, you've got a technological boy who is basically the internet and internet and wifi. Media. You've got media who is a television and media.
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I think they even go freeways and highways. Yes, freeways and highways. Because we've got to avoid the freeways and highways because we don't know what side they're on. That's exactly it. And then you've got the black ops guys. Yeah, the spooks. They refer to them as. Yep, the spooks. And they're separated in and they talk about a coming war between the old gods and the new gods. Right. So I loved it. I know like our conversations.
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I actually googled this before I came over here. I mean, I think I won four awards and won the Hugo, the Nebula, the Locust and the Bram Stoker. I've read 17 or 18 novels that have won Nebula awards over the years. It's a good place to go if you want to pick up a sci-fi and know it's a good book. I do the same thing with the Bram Stoker award actually. Things that win the Bram Stoker award. I was actually surprised that actually won the Bram Stoker.
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Yeah. I mean, it's got some of those darker points in it. Um, but, uh, yeah, I definitely wouldn't class it as a horror novel. No, yeah. Definitely no it or anything like that. But it's, uh, I actually had to cross reference that cause I'm thinking, no, surely this is just a mistake, but no, it actually won it. Yeah. 2001. I think it was if memory serves.
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It does have some darker, but it's, it's, it's very, it's, it's hard to, I would find it very hard to define. It's fantasy, but not what anybody would class as traditional fantasy. It's set in the modern world with these old gods, new gods, and how they're interacting. It does have different worlds that come in the, like the, the fae world and everything like that that's spoken about. And, um, so yeah, there is a lot of different elements. So it's, it's kinda hard to define as a genre.
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He rewrote the book, originally the original book that came out. I think we were talking about it. It was actually cut down. So if you buy a more recent book, he's actually rewritten it to how he would prefer it to be written. So when it first came out, it was abridged and it's now unabridged.
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Ran through the publishers. Right. And they- So you've got a director's cut book is what you say. Basically. Okay, cool. From the way he describes it in the prologue, it sounded like an enormous story. Like how he talks about how big this story was. Yeah.
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And it was actually through the prologue that he was talking about how he sort of got these awards and people were saying, yeah, they didn't know what category to even put it into. It was just, it sort of bridged it all, you know, crime, you know, all that sort of main genres.
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Yeah. Cause I mean, it follows, it follows the main character shadow, shadow moon. Um, and he is not Salem moon, not thankfully, not thankfully, not sorry. He's, uh, he's bought into the employment of the mysterious Mr. Wednesday. Um, you obviously find out later in the book who Mr. Wednesday is. I'm not going to spoil it for anyone. Um, going into the TV show, uh, him and, uh, Mr. Wednesday, they, uh, on a bit of a road trip.
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to get the old gods on to Wednesday's side. Recruitment drive. Recruitment drive. I quickly sent you a message. You've watched all of season one. Yeah, I've watched all season one. How much does season one spoil the overall premise of the rest of the book? Because it stops with them talking to Easter. Correct. Yeah. So without trying to spoil it for anyone else, because it is still fairly new,
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Yes. And I haven't seen it. It's stupid because I've read the book. I know what's going to happen, but I don't want you to spoil the TV series for me because I know you mentioned that they took a few little liberties with it. And it's kind of like saying George R. Martin stopped watching Game of Thrones. The fucker still hasn't finished writing the last book or maybe there's two books or not. I haven't read the books, but he doesn't even watch the show anymore because the show's just gone. We can't wait for you to fucking write a book every five years, dude. We've got a TV series to run.
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But in saying that, they diverted a lot longer before the, uh, yeah, well, there were always diversions, but they've so far, like this character's dead in Game of Thrones, the TV series that are still very much alive in the books. You've read them all too, haven't you? Except the last one. Is it, is it one more to go?
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Game of Thrones books. Two books are left. I don't know if he's going to live long enough to fuck it. Have you seen the dude? Somebody will write him for him. Another Brandon Sanderson from Wheel of Time. But same thing happened with Frank Herbert. His son took over and then a few other people ended up writing the June. Frank Herbert wrote June. So he wrote June, Children of June.
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That had a massive sort of spin offs of the whole world being built off that. Yeah, so his son took over at some stage, but then I think all the house books, somebody else wrote House Harkon and House Atreides and all the other houses that are there. It's ballooned out and there's like dozens of Dune books, not just in the main Dune storyline, but in the side stories as well. So somebody will finish it. I mean, it's too much money. The publishers are not going to give up on
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Well, I think to be honest, I mean, so, Robert, I actually had to look it up. It's been that long since I've read Wheel of Time. So Robert Jordan. Yeah. Got so long winded in his books here. I think he survived to eight or nine books in the series. And these are. There's 12 or 13, isn't there? 13. Yeah. And they're huge terms. I think it was only the last four or five that were written by his son of three. No, it wasn't his son. It was, they brought in, brought in Brandon.
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Brandon Sanderson, I got it right before. So Brandon came in and wrote the books based on the notes that Robert Jordan had written and his style was specifically selected. So he had started writing. He was coming up in the ranks as a fantasy writer and the estate chose him out of a group of writers who'd said, yes, I'm prepared to take on the mantle.
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And I actually thought his style of Bros was a lot better. Yeah. There were whole books in the Wheel of Time series that you could fucking have skipped. It's just a book where four different characters that start off the series together, traveling as an adventure party, are all doing their own thing. And they basically do fucking nothing for two novels.
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Yeah. It's just a thousand pages of filler. So anyway, we're way off
Challenges in Adapting Books for TV
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topic. Sorry. Japanese anime. Back to the TV series. Sorry. I won't interrupt this time. No, no, no. Yeah. I mean, I liked it. The end. Easy to drink. Fuck you Dan. I went in with high hopes. I mean, when you're given literature gold, right?
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How hard is it to fuck that shit up? Yeah. Well, apparently not that hard. Apparently not that hard. So the series was shit. The TV series was shit. Anyone who's read the Game of Thrones novel will probably be able to relate to this. So you read the novel, you're like, great, that's fantastic. Adapt it. I want to see that pop on the screen. And then you get these people who want to do creative license. Right. Okay. So it's kind of like the Shinara Chronicles.
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Yeah, I must admit I haven't read the first book. I'm about 80% of the way through. I fucking made it about 30 seconds into that. Into the novel, the TV series. The TV series. The TV series is like a teen fucking... Yes, and that's it. I've made it 30 seconds in and I'm gonna fuck this shit.
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Yeah, it's hard not to use an expletive that is often a, it was bad. Yeah. Really fucking bad. It was bad. Yeah. But I mean, look, it was good. I mean, it's, uh, uh, it was produced by stars. So the guests, them guys who did black sales. Yeah. Um, you know, so I was kind of going in expecting it to be.
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Bloodthirsty. So lots of gore, lots of sexy titties. All the things we love in TV. All in all it was good. This is probably more of a hang-up on my side. It's a case of... Yukonnen, you get this picture?
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And then they give you that picture. With the novel, you create your own mental image of what's going on, but then the TV studio is telling you this is how it is. So, having never read the book, would it be better if I don't read the book and just watch the TV series? Because I won't have that expectation. Definitely. And then go read the book. I definitely think it was good.
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I think they, they obviously modernized some parts, you know, to make it relevant. They made a techno boy thin rather than fat, you know, like small things like that. Brought it into a bit of relevancy. Yeah. Well, they, I mean, even how is being fat not relevant? Fuck you, James. He's the embodiment of the internet. Back when the book was written, it was the fat guys in the basement. Now it's all the dotcomers, you know, that we're all healthy, you know, the hipsters.
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Yeah. Ironically, Kim.com is a pretty big unit that anyway, carry on. You get that from the book. It is, when they do talk about those things, it is a little bit outdated because I don't know, I actually don't know the year it was written, but the gathering from what? 90s, I think. I was going to say 90s because that's the kind of vibe having, obviously us having come up in, grown up in the 90s, we have that sort of mental image of some of the stuff he was talking about, mainly towards technological boy,
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Um, and that, that sort of relate, it wasn't ridiculous. Exactly. Yeah. So as someone, someone reading it these days, which is younger than us, uh, might struggle to understand, or they might even brush, they might even brush over some of the stuff. Cause even when it comes to media, when she appears as I love Lucy, uh, and then the cast of cheers, uh, with within the, within the novel, um, they, they're outdated references.
00:23:25
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think you'd almost be pushed to find a 20 year old that knows what fucking Cheers is. Yeah. Even when they name characters in Cheers in the novel. I wouldn't even get those fucking references. Oh, I would. Then I never watched it. I used to love Cheers. I don't know why.
00:23:41
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Like, I mean, Gillian Anderson played media. I mean, I'm a fan of Gillian, but I think, yeah, I think in there, they sort of did a few changes where she's now Marilyn Monroe, you know, doing the classic scene, you know, rather than... Someone that's timeless that everybody understands, rather than I Love Lucy, where it's a smaller group of people.
00:24:07
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All in all, I think it was good. I think it was well done. Uh, my gripes are more with the fact of the portrayal of characters, the embellishment of storylines. One of the things I did like, uh, in the books, you know, Mad Sweeney. Yes. Uh, he's the, uh, it's not really ruining anything, but he's the tall leprechaun. He's the leprechaun. Like he's a six foot something, you know, and he's a leprechaun, you know, it's sort of the, uh, sort of the, I suppose it's the internal gag of how they're perceived and
00:24:37
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and all that sort of thing. But one of the things is, in the book, he's in the original opening scene where he meets him at the bar. And then you don't meet him until the end of the book, pretty much. Or towards the end. Yeah, it's not that far through. When he's staying at the funeral home. Okay. Your pour was a lot better than a house to hand.
00:24:59
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But in this, they actually follow his story and they actually fill in a lot more of his story, which I actually thought was really good. I don't know who the actor is who played him, but he's just perfect. He looks great. Everything you would sort of see in that sort of book.
00:25:15
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The fiery redhead. And even when he, um, I've only seen it in my trailers cause I haven't watched it yet, obviously, but when he squares up to a shadow for the bar fight, just the, in the singlet and the way you sort of swaggers into the fight. That was that whole scene. Yeah. Yeah. It looks, it looks great. So, but yeah, no, look, all in all, I think it's worthwhile watching. If anyone hasn't read the books, I think you'll enjoy it. Okay. Anyone who has read the books, if it's been a few years, you'd probably still enjoy it. Anyone. It's recent, much like yourself, Dan.
00:25:45
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You'd probably be going, oh, hang on. What's sort of going on there? You know, um, I suppose my biggest gripe was, uh, they made shadow moon, not Indian heritage. American Indian. Red dot Indian. What did you say? Don't worry. He doesn't need to repeat it. You're saying feathers, not dots. Did you have a less polite way of saying that? Did you? I thought that was nice.
00:26:12
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We're going to have to move on to the next topic soon. But he's portrayed more as African-American. Yes, because he's an African-American actor, isn't he?
00:26:22
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Or is he, is he native American, African American? I actually don't know what he's, but either way, I mean, he's got the complexion that he could pull off either way. He looks, I think he's caramel. And I saw the actor before I started to read the book. So I kind of went into the book with that image in my head of that. This is who this character looks like. I think, I think he looks really good as the character character. Yeah. But what my biggest gripe was.
00:26:50
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He had that hinted at the Indian heritage. Native American. Native American, sorry. Where... Why can't you say engines anymore? Engines. Damn, damn engines. And you know how often the buffalo head man came up? You know that picture that I showed you?
00:27:05
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Yeah, firstly, they only show you the he's not the buffalo head man. He's a buffalo buffalo with flaming eyes in the whole season. Oh, really? It's that whole him doing that dream time. You get through the whole thing that made him that important character because he was interacting with them at such a powerful level.
00:27:24
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Yeah. So the picture James is talking about is they're making American Gods into a Dark Horse graphic novel, which that artwork looks great. So I hope the rest of it is. I'll flick through it. They're up to the train rescue where he gets rescued by Laura from the train. Yeah. Nice. And they, I think every week they just been releasing another one. So, okay. Cool. I'll have to, I'll shoot you through the link to that. Cool. You guys can organize your social media later.
00:27:51
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We have the next beer in front of us. This is Last Rites Brewing, a brewing company from Tasmania. Deadman's Revenge Black IPA. Now, I have to admit, I did buy this beer. No, I'm showing a camera, not you. I did buy this beer partly on
00:28:08
Speaker
I really liked the artwork on the can. I think it's a beautifully designed can. It's a fantastic use of space, really cool artwork, beautiful use of colour, and even a beautiful use of text on it. It's a beautiful looking beer can. It's a 6.5% black IPA.
00:28:30
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This be confuses me Dan this be confuses you it's it's a it's a brownie reddish color it's got a it's got a off white brownie head to it.
00:28:44
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not talking to the mic. It's a nice colour. Well, I wasn't going to say anything else. I was actually going to take a sip. So I'm, I find it confusing because it smells like an IPA. You get that very hoppy smell. Um, and so you kind of expect the flavour to match. I don't get a whole lot of resin out of the flavour. What I get is lots of dark chocolatey malt. Yeah. That's exactly it. It's not, it's not.
00:29:04
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over-the-top dark malt like it would be in a stout reporter or something like that, even to the extent it's not the malt character of a brown ale. It's got that hop character there, and that malt body is just used to fill out the rest of the flavor. Red IPAs are meant to be malty but hoppy at the same time. I think this is a really good example.
00:29:26
Speaker
It's got those darker roast characters there. It's still got some hot character to it. It's not over the top in bitterness. It's got a nice bitterness to it, but not over the top. It does have a bite at the end of the palate. Yeah. I think it's a really good example. It's a nice beer. And they had two others of these last rites there. And I think I'll probably go back and grab the other two because I like that. And once again, their artwork's fucking sick.
00:29:48
Speaker
Yeah, it is. I've got, I'll throw two photos up on the website for that. One with the text and one with some of the picture on it. What do you think, James? Oh, spot on. I could happily drink that. Yeah. Six and a half percent, too. I mean, it's not. You wouldn't pick it. No, it's up there. I mean, nothing we have. That's the lightest we have tonight because the next one is nine percent and the last one is ten. What was the first one? The first one, 7.7. Jesus.
00:30:16
Speaker
Yeah. All that lemon just hid that beer. They didn't even think about that when I was drinking it. There is a little bit left in there if anybody wants it to. I actually think that that as a sour would be perfect in summer because it's got that citrus to cut through the heat. Yeah. And you know what?
00:30:33
Speaker
You'd use that as a base for something and drop a fucking shot of gin in it. Or use that as a base of a beer cocktail. I need to stay away from gin for a while though. Yeah, you said you had a couple of big ones on it over there. But to use that as a base to build something more on top of it, I think that's a perfect summer drink. Whereas to me, this Black IPA is something that you'd sit down and you'd smoke a cigar or a cigarette. And I say it a lot, but that's a poker beer.
00:31:01
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Perfect. Yeah. Yeah. Let it warm up a little bit and go from there. It's got a really low body on it too. It doesn't have a, it doesn't have a thick sugary resonance body on it for, for an IPA. I'd say that's a very low gravity black IPA. I think you're going to have to explain that gravity.
00:31:22
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Gravity is residual sugar. So the sugar that's left in after, so non-fermentable sugars, so the sugar that the yeast can't eat and turn into alcohol, that's what's left in the end of the beer. And that's the final gravity is the last reading we take once fermentation is finished. And we know from there how much residual sugar is left in the beer.
00:31:42
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more residual sugar, the sweeter it is, but also the thicker and stickier the body is. That's nice and wide. It's got that sort of bit of a wateriness. Yeah. Like it just flows over the tongue. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So do we have anything with a high residual sugar? Is that, that, um, the Imperial Stout in the end? Yeah, the treble. We've had some sweet ones and we've had some
00:32:01
Speaker
really bitter ones too. Yeah. The triple might as well. Um, the triples can go either way. They can go extremely dry or they can go quite heavy. Yeah. Um, so it'd be interesting what a triple is when we get to it. It's just about our core percentage. Okay. Doubles and triples and things like that. Um, defenders, is anyone watching it? Nope.
00:32:22
Speaker
I'm torn. You're torn between watching it and not watching it? Yeah. What out of the Netflix series have you watched? Have you watched Dead Devil? Dead Devil. One and two, Jessica Jones. Big fan of that. Jessica Jones, no. Luke Cage. Luke Cage, halfway. Iron Fist. Yes, all of it. Okay. You got Iron Fist. And Iron Fist was the one that ruined it for me. Yeah, and we've talked about that on the podcast. It seems like everybody dislikes it.
00:32:46
Speaker
It had potential, like even the intros and the clips, you're like, yeah, psyched up for this. And I was let down. So, so I'm five eps in to defenders. So we're, we're just. Yeah. Cause there's only eight episodes in the season. Um,
00:33:01
Speaker
I wasn't sure whether or not I wanted them to rewrite his character and stop him from being such a pussy bitch, which is what ruined Iron Fist for me. And at the same time, I kind of didn't want them to be inconsistent with the character either, and they've maintained consistency. But now he's in a backdrop of strong characters who aren't pussy bitches, so... It's Stephanie's game up.
00:33:23
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Yeah, although I found it interesting, the pacing's really, really odd. So four episodes in and they've only really just kind of come together. There was a lot of buildup, a lot of parallel stories going on. They shouldn't need. They've done two seasons of Daredevil and they've done a season of everybody else. Everybody knows if you're watching Defenders, you know who these people are. Just fucking put them together. Yeah.
00:33:45
Speaker
But I'm enjoying it so far. I mean, you haven't really got much, you know, we haven't gone far into it. They have explained the structure of the hand more and I'm actually finding that really interesting. I listened to the Weekly Planets breakdown of Defenders, so I know exactly what's happened in the whole world.
00:34:02
Speaker
I think it's worth watching, I mean, and Sigourney Weaver is fucking brilliant as a bad guy. She's good though, she is good. She's a really, really consummate actress, that one. In the cabin in the woods, she's the director of the Institute that's releasing the monsters. And you don't see her until all the way to the end, but you get these angry, you hear these angry phone calls from her. The woman could portray anger and scariness just in her voice. So can everyone's mother.
00:34:31
Speaker
It's kind of- Yeah, well, fair call. Maybe that's what it is. Maybe she's just that staunch mother, the mother character telling them to sort their fucking shit out. I'm not angry. I'm disappointed. Yeah. Oh no, not disappointed.
Impressions on 'Defenders' TV Series
00:34:44
Speaker
Yeah, so defenders. Yeah, no. Well, look, I won't talk too much about it because you guys haven't seen it, but I'm enjoying it. It's-
00:34:51
Speaker
I was interested to see what they do with it stylistically. Yeah, Netflix. Yeah, it's all Netflix original. Because each of the four series or shows before this had their own colour cast and their own style to the cinematography. Don't be fucking racist.
00:35:09
Speaker
Well, they've gone for a completely neutral tone, but I did notice in the lead up, so the first couple of EPs, as it jumps from say Iron Fist to Luke Cage to Jessica Jones, they've reapplied the colour cast to the film. So Jessica Jones was always a bluey purple, kind of a, you know, they're fucked with the tone of the film slightly.
00:35:35
Speaker
Luke Cage was always... It's like yellows and earthy tones and things like that. Yeah, so it was kind of Harlem 1920 style movie. Grindhouse, kind of.
00:35:46
Speaker
Yeah, Daredevil was very dark and kind of desaturated almost. And Iron Fist, who gives a fuck. So I noticed that in Defenders, they started by applying those colour casts as they cut to those characters. Now they've joined up, they've gone for a very neutral palette, which I thought was interesting. That's probably all I'll say on Defenders until you guys have seen a few more apps. Have you got something, James?
00:36:13
Speaker
If you don't, I'm going to jump in with another TV series. Go. No, the, the only thing I'm going to, I've, I've been withdrawing. I've been trying to cut down on my binging, trying to do the good thing here. But, uh, it was actually funny, uh, something that spurred me on, uh, watching some Stanley Kubrick's, um, at the, uh, beer launch, there was a, uh, a wonderful hipster.
00:36:38
Speaker
This is Bounty Hunter Brewings. Bounty Hunter, the burnt marshmallow, was it? Yes, the what did you do, Ray? What did you do, Ray? What did you do, Ray? You infringed copyright is what you did, Ray. 1989. 1989 in Newtown. Awesome little buck.
00:36:55
Speaker
obviously just up there with Rob and another mate, Matt. But yeah, we're up there and there was a chicken and a bowler hat, which started off a whole conversation about the, uh, Clockwork Orange, which then started off on Full Metal Jacket, which then got me, I've got to get these movies and I've got to start rewatching. So I've been starting to sort of pick up and go to the, uh, more hitting the old schools rather than what's sort of been coming out. And, uh, I've still never seen Clockwork Orange.
00:37:17
Speaker
I've never seen it. Full Metal Jacket. I think Full Metal Jacket is a great movie. What's your major deficiency, nom-nuts? I was put onto Full Metal Jacket many, many years ago because one of my bosses when I worked for Dan Murphy's, one of the store managers, was an ex-US Marine.
00:37:35
Speaker
and I was talking to him about the Marine Corps and that and he's gone. If you want to know what being the Marines is like, go watch Full Metal Jacket because that is the most accurate interpretation that's ever been put to film of the United States Marine Corps.
00:37:52
Speaker
80s, yeah. Must have been 80s. 1989 or eight or something, I think it came out or? Not sure. I've seen most of Kubrick's work other than Clockwork Orange. I didn't get through it. I don't know. Not because I didn't want to watch it, but because I kept getting interrupted. Every time I've put it on to watch it, I get interrupted by something.
00:38:09
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I've seen 2001 Space Odyssey. Yawn. The 25 minute intro sequence with the ship flying past. Yeah, we get it. It's a big fucking ship. All right, move on. And then later he's got a hyperspace sequence as well. So it is really long. Technicolored hyperspace or kaleidoscope hyperspace. Eyes wide shut. You got to see a boob. I think I'd have to go back and watch that again with a little bit more understanding of. Or a few more beers under your belt.
00:38:39
Speaker
I've got, I watched it very early on sort of when it came out and I have much more appreciation and knowledge now of filmmaking. So I think I'd have to go back and watch it now with a sort of an overall... That was his last film before he died, wasn't it? It was, yeah. So an overall knowledge of filmmaking and cinematography and things like that. It'd be interesting to go back and see it on that sort of scale now.
00:38:59
Speaker
So, you got to see Nicole Kidman's boobs before he died. I think that's pretty good. That's a good way to go. It's the only ginger I rate, Dan. As long as Tom Cruise had some pants on in that scene, I think he'd be alright. Well, that ended their relationship, didn't it? It was just after that. Yeah, that was the end of it.
00:39:19
Speaker
Yeah. So how far have you gotten through? I've got, I've got, I've got the, uh, clockwork orange. I've got to watch that. That's kind of probably my this weekend. So yeah. Um, and, uh, I ended up watching the full metal jacket. Yeah, it was great. Uh, last weekend slash Monday through work. Um, but, uh, yeah, no, it was what happens when we tag you this on Facebook and, uh, your boss ends up listening to it.
00:39:44
Speaker
Socially retarded, that's fine. Full Metal Jacket and Apocalypse Redux are the epitome of Vietnam era war films for me. I mean, obviously they weren't filmed back then, but they portray Vietnam. Love those two movies.
00:40:00
Speaker
And, uh, I would love to see somebody come out with a full metal jacket because half the sayings through that, like the ratings on that now, like I think what was, uh, you know, uh, I bet you're the kind of guy that fucked somebody in the ass and not giving the courtesy of a reach around or something like that. You just sort of sit in there, you sort of watch it and you like it. And then you sort of pause and you're kind of like, you're letting that. So can you like, Ooh,
00:40:25
Speaker
There's so much taken from that film into modern movies yet that people wouldn't wouldn't reference back to that movie even down to things the the hooker in Vietnam at the end the sucky sucky love you long time.
00:40:40
Speaker
That was a fucking ongoing gag in South Park, but how long? Exactly. We love your long time. People just wouldn't get it. Yeah. I got guys in my office. I mean, uh, they're young, like this, you know, 25, 20 to 25. And, and they're pulling out these sayings cause I, you know, I was sort of telling them about it and I was throwing out a few of the, uh, cliched sayings and they're like, oh yeah, yeah, exact same thing. And they're, they're repeating them and they had no idea where it even came from. No idea. It was very interesting. It's kind of sad.
00:41:10
Speaker
Um, anyone playing any good video games? Oh, this was one thing that I did want to bring up. James, when are you gonna stop being a fucking pussy-ass bitch and come over to the fucking light side and get a goddamn fucking PlayStation and get rid of that sex box? Look at this!
00:41:27
Speaker
My, my point on here, apology to Microsoft for EA episode. Sorry, Bill. I did my best, but I couldn't get back from my trip in time. And there was a lot of shit canning. Bill doesn't give a fuck anyway. Yeah. Um, the, um, the, uh, listen to the filthy casuals podcast too. And they've just done a rundown of gamescom, which has just finished.
00:41:50
Speaker
And saying that there's basically nothing releasing exclusively on the Xbox this year. Nothing. And PlayStation has an enormous amount of absolutely amazing exclusive games. And you of all people.
00:42:11
Speaker
I think Uncharted would be right up your alley and you would love playing that. So just pull your fucking finger out, would you? I've started playing, um, well, first of all, I played Dawn of War 3, which was... And you're not going to give him a grilly on this. You're just going to go straight on to the next one. You're just going to let it glide, glide like straight past. I can't say what I'm worried. I can't say what I want to say without insulting a bunch of listeners. So I was going to say, you're a shit, move on. Mark it.
00:42:41
Speaker
Yeah so I was playing Dawn of War 3 for about 10 minutes. I've been anticipating that game so anyone who we used to play, Chris and I used to play Warhammer 40k tabletop miniatures and thoroughly enjoyed that when we were kids growing up and kind of always had a bit of an affinity for Dawn of War which is a real-time strategy game based in the Warhammer 40k universe.
00:43:03
Speaker
I'm seeing your face. I just tried to be here. Right. Right. Um, and the game was boring as fuck. It really, really... So that's a new release, is it? Yeah. Well, it's, it's pretty old now. It's probably six months old now. It's for PC. I mean, it's still relatively new. And I've been waiting for it for a long time because Dawn of War 2 was epic. They had like eight expansions that added new armies and shit and all the stuff that you enjoyed painting and building. It's in RTS. Yeah. Real time touch. Yeah. Kind of resource management stuff.
00:43:32
Speaker
Um, I liked that you, in the older games, you could just play the fucking army you wanted to play. And it was, it was built around space Marines and you played a whole blood raven campaign, but this one you've got, um, uh, space Marines, you've got Eldar and you've got, uh, orcs and each mission they rotate in threes. So you play one space Marines mission, you go, it's fucking awesome. And then you go play the orcs and it's like, this is shit.
00:43:58
Speaker
It's doing the equivalent of Call of Duty where it's a single player, where it switches between the SAS officer and the United States Marine guy. Except if the United States Marine guy was a fucking muppet and you hated playing him, then yeah, it would be very similar. I just couldn't get past it. I think I went nine missions or seven missions in and I just went that
00:44:18
Speaker
This is it for me. So there's nothing, there's nothing redeemable. So who would you play normally? Space Marines. Use Space Marines. And there's nothing redeemable about the other two that you could- I just not my, I don't like zerging, which is the orcs. The orcs are all about, you know, huge numbers of throwaway creatures. So they have different play styles as well. Oh, completely. You can't get around. Yeah. And the Eldar are very, um, we go the opposite end of the spectrum. So Eldar are all about, you know, small numbers of extremely elite units and they take ages to build and
00:44:46
Speaker
All the rest of it. I just enjoyed playing RTS's where you could just base build in a single player campaign. Age of Empires. Sorry? Like Age of Empires. Yeah, that's right. You build an unbeatable fortress and then you start manufacturing tanks and you go and annihilate the enemy. And you end up playing for like eight hours on a map that you probably could have won in an hour. Yeah. Cause you spent it all building up your... But your Bastion is now half the fucking map. Yeah. Anyway, talk about this beer. We have in front of us now, we have, it says,
00:45:14
Speaker
The wording on this is very strange. The brewery is three ravens, but it says little above three ravens. So I don't know whether it's little three ravens or three ravens little triple. Or three little ravens. Or three little ravens. Wow. It's definitely three ravens brewing. So it must be a little triple. They're from Thornberry in Victoria.
Tasting Belgian Triple from Three Ravens
00:45:41
Speaker
It's a Belgian triple. It's 9%. It has that very Belgian saison character to it. I was going to say it's like a saison with a punch in the mouth of alcohol. I think that alcohol is really well hidden in there as well. 9% is massive. Yeah, but it is what separates it from a traditional saison. I can taste the alcohol. Yeah, gotcha.
00:46:02
Speaker
It's a beautiful sort of golden-y, hazy golden-y colour. Nice sort of rocky white foam on it. Really, really nice. Really, really nice triple. Really nice. Even just if you wanted a saison and you can't find a good saison, that'll fill that void for you.
00:46:19
Speaker
Which reminds me, that's one thing I really couldn't find in America at all, in Vegas. No one had a Saison. Had one place have sours. And everyone else had IPAs, they had Porters, they had Imperials. I had Ambers and Reds, which I found interesting because usually you think if they don't have a sour or a Saison, they're not going to have a big variety. Everything's going to be IPA or dark.
00:46:42
Speaker
Yes, I think this is just from my very limited experience in the US. IPAs, obviously, they're massive go-to. I would imagine that they have a big movement in sales. Excuse me.
00:46:58
Speaker
They have a big movement in sours, but it might be a little bit more localised to the breweries where they're doing it. Okay, that makes sense. And the more populated touristy areas, even if it's an international touristy area or a domestic touristy area, it might be more focused on those ambas and darks and things like that. They like those bigger, bolder, richer characters, but they do have a huge sour movement over there.
00:47:26
Speaker
Yeah, I didn't see too many sours. I bought them anywhere I could find them because I love my sours. Yeah. I'm not a huge fan of this beer though. Okay. Not really my taste. I like it. I think it's really good. I enjoy Saison. It's nice. It's beautiful and smooth. It is. It is. But I just, yeah, I'm just not enjoying the flavours. It's a little bit too punchy for me. Yeah. Okay. Cool. You can taste the quality. I could be at the opposite end of the spectrum, but I could picture myself sitting on the front porch drinking that after mowing the lawns.
00:47:54
Speaker
Definitely. And you wouldn't be mowing the lawns much longer after that either. No. 9%. You'd end up mowing fucking shapes into it. My brother-in-law tried to, he was mowing the lawn up at his property, up at Byron, and he's got a ride on mower. And I just saw him today, which is what jogged my memory. And he's gone to pull a stick out that got stuck in the bottom of the mower. Yep. You know what happens next. Five hours worth of microsurgery and pins in his fingers. And he still can't jerk off with that hand.
00:48:24
Speaker
Well, he's married, so he just gets his wife to do that. Sorry, Jamie. I know you listen. I'm really sorry. I couldn't help it. So, yeah. Um, yeah, you showed war. I've seen the scars previously, but, uh, yeah, my, my pussy little, uh, almost chopping the top of my finger off doesn't compare to his five hours worth of microsurgery and your, your little slice down your finger. I've got a mad scar though. I'm really impressed by that. Oh, you do too. That'll, that'll heal and go away. I want a scar.
00:48:54
Speaker
So none of the M on my face was like, anyway. Yes. Uh, Bishop triggers. Yeah. Any other video games? I have one more video game and then I'll shut the fuck up. Uh, I've been, what have I been playing? I've been playing, I downloaded just cause three, cause it was free on PlayStation network. Um, Batman, I've been playing again, something else.
00:49:16
Speaker
the other fucking thing I've been playing. Anyway, I bought Overwatch the day after I got back. I'm a big fan of Blizzard games as anyone who's listened to more than one episode knows I talk about World of Warcraft. Very different to the other Blizzard games you've played. I'd expect this from him.
00:49:35
Speaker
Okay, expect what from him? The Overwatch, because it's more focused on Sexbox than PlayStation. Yeah, I could see that. Yeah, it is a very different game. I mean, I play Hearthstone.
00:49:50
Speaker
regularly, like daily on my phone, which is a collectible card, digital card game, that's quite competitive. Which is probably why I like it. It's a lot of nostalgia and it brings back memories of all the fucking raiding we did playing World of Warcraft. But Overwatch is a first person shooter, but it's the first game I think I've ever played that is built entirely around the concept of esports.
00:50:15
Speaker
And you can tell it's all esports. So, you know, I think there's 16 to 24 characters. They're all, they've all got their own personality. They've got their own abilities. Quite simple in terms of their abilities. It's all, you know, there's between four and five abilities per character. They're broken up into kind of offensive and defensive and healers and I think utility.
00:50:40
Speaker
Typical like an MMO, to be honest, it's kind of oriented around that concept, but, and you just jump into an arena. So you're on a team of six, you're playing another team of six and, and you what? Remind me when you finish this, we have a multiplayer game that we need to play. I've been dying to play and I played it. So keep going. Cool.
00:50:57
Speaker
Um, yeah, so I'm, I'm finding it fun as far as, I mean, I'm going from battlefield one, which is another first person shooter, but it's extremely different, um, to overwatch. And I'm finding that it's fun as kind of a drop in drop out. I've got 15 minutes to kill. Fuck it. I'll play a couple of rounds cause I got nothing better to do. Um, but I don't think it has longevity for me.
00:51:17
Speaker
It's just a little bit repetitive. It's very arcadey and in fact at the moment they're running a summer games event and it's very much like the commonwealth summer games so you know even the loot crates that you get when you level up or you can spend real life money on if you're a dickhead like me. Not that I've bought any for this game but anyway.
00:51:37
Speaker
Um, yeah, and they've got medals. That's the guilt seeping through the emphasis on this game. I spent loads of money on other games, but not this one. Um, but you know, it's, it's, um, there are medals and there are themes that you unlock and voice lines, you unlock and spray paints that you unlock. Yeah. They're all built around kind of ripping off the Olympics. So anyway, it's actually kind of funny. You mentioned, um, overwatch, cause I was just reading a, I don't know.
00:52:05
Speaker
One of the many junk mail that happens to filter through and they'll talk about how Overwatch hit the, um, uh, they released a map junkyard or something like that. And, uh, it's sort of hit the, uh, the news because it was about, uh, complaining about or their slogan was something about.
00:52:26
Speaker
the land that they took from us. And it was a map that they released for Australia. And then a whole bunch of people kicked up a stink because of the, uh, the indigenous, uh, you know, but the thing is, like a paragraph down, it's sort of like, you know, they took the land from us or we'll stop them taking the land from us or something to give to the machines.
00:52:49
Speaker
So they sort of like, let's take that half of a sentence and make that the focal point. And the funny thing is, is they kind of continue to continue on where they were like, oh, well, you know, is Blizzard going to apologize? You know, what's Blizzard going to do? And it's like, okay, look, yeah, Blizzard weren't going to apologize, but it was for the simple fact that they put a sign in there that said, take out, not take away, because they apologized, they used
00:53:11
Speaker
American terminology in an Australian-based map rather than the Aussie takeaway. I mean, they were making a political point in a video game. It's not unheard of. Overwatch has already had some controversy before as well. About the over-sexualization of their female characters. It was one female character and it was her pose. I never saw it, but I read about the sexuality of it.
00:53:35
Speaker
I saw it. I saw it. I saw the one, the pose that they originally had and the one they changed it to. You know what? It's exactly the same. It's not exactly the same, but they didn't do that much. A change for the sake of a change. When you can watch a co-cat on television that looks like the woman's trying to give a blowjob to the can, I don't see the big deal of
00:53:56
Speaker
I mean, we should be sensitive to those kinds of issues in modern society, but I think the pendulum can swing too far into political correct land. The original pose, it was unnatural and wouldn't have been something that fit in well with what everybody else was doing.
00:54:17
Speaker
Okay. It stood out. It did stand out. It needed to be changed. The people that complained about it were technically right for complaining about it. And I'm sure they never owned a Mattel fucking Barbie doll with ridiculously oversized tits and a ridiculously small waist. There's precedents that have been set, but I mean, they did the right thing. They changed it. It's not an overly different change. I think Liz's response was appropriate. It was. It was an appropriate response to an appropriate complaint.
00:54:47
Speaker
Sure, yeah, definitely. So yeah, okay, so the other one I wanted to mention, Dreadnought. Dreadnought is a five on five multiplayer battle arena, and you command massive starships.
00:55:05
Speaker
So Dreadnought Starships. Five on five. This is not my ball game. This five on five PVP sort of thing. This is why I wanted to mention it. They just did a weekend of open beta. I've really liked the look of it to start with. So I went and grabbed the open beta. I played four or five Browns. Yep.
00:55:26
Speaker
Sucked fucking terribly at it but it had me enough to keep going back in on it and then even had me where I played it in so I've downloaded at Friday night I played it by Friday I said I know I played a few rounds.
00:55:41
Speaker
Saturday or Sunday morning. And then after lunch, I'm like, you know what? I really want to jump back in that and play again. There was no voice chat, so we couldn't strategize with each other for the time being. But you've got the five ships went, see if I can work this out.
00:56:00
Speaker
You went your assault, like your battleship. Then you had basically a sniper ship, which was a long, thin, lightly armored, hard-hitting and long range. You had your support vessel, which had a small, nimble, hard-hitting laser, or could be used as a repair laser on your own ships. You had the massive dreadnought.
00:56:26
Speaker
Slow moving, easy target, but packs a punch. But absolutely packs a wallop. Maybe there was only four, I think there was five, but maybe there was only four, but they're the ones I can remember. Sounds like you need a damage soaker tank class. Maybe there was, maybe there was, that might have, yeah. The first one was definitely the DPS with good armour. The sniper was damage from a distance. You got a healer.
00:56:52
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and the healer and then the tank class. And I'm sure there was a fifth one in there, but it was really good fun. The maps, I would say it only ran over the weekend. We can jump on and have a look afterwards, but I really loved it. Like for being beta, it's beautifully polished. I mean, we saw this E3 last year.
00:57:12
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I think. You might not have, but I watched some stuff from E3 last year on it. It was beautifully polished already. It was a finished game. So they were just releasing it to get people to play it and see that they're the online working and everything like that. The ships have great
00:57:29
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visuals to them. So the hard-hitting one, all the top-rotating guns, all the eventually rotate. They don't all just turn together. They all have a little bit of lag and a little bit of difference to them. The flare shots, the defensive anti-missile laser on the top of the dreadnought when he fires, when you fire the rockets out of the top of the submarines.
00:57:54
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the, the, uh, the canopies fold open for each individual missile. And then each individual missile comes out individually and like on a separate timer and that you can watch a lot of attention to detail. Beautiful, beautiful detail on it. The maps are all land-based at the moment. Um, so you're driving these massive ships through canyons and demolished buildings and cities and everything like that. So there's a lot of verticality about it with the sniper. I was coming in with a sniper. It's got a cloak device.
00:58:23
Speaker
So I was getting the sniper, it's fairly quick. So I was kind of going straight as high as I could get on the map and then waiting for the ships to come out and was picking them off from a distance. And then they would get a beat on you and then you hit the cloak and then move to another section. I never worked out what it was, but there's a warp option where you can, it takes a little bit to build, but you can warp from one point to another point within the map.
00:58:52
Speaker
The maps aren't huge, so it's quite tight. What's the viewpoint? Is it isometric? Is it top down? It's third person. Yeah. Okay. I would say over the shoulder. It's three dimensional. Yeah, it's three dimensional. It's beautiful. It's a beautiful game to look at and it's well worth having a look at and I'm going to buy it. I mean, you have to check it out. Even if I jump on every now and then, I'm going to piss people off now and being a noob and sucking and my best. Why get you used to 5v5 because we've got the pirate game coming up soon from
00:59:20
Speaker
Well, my best job in there was being a healer. I really sucked and we got really badly kicked when I was anything else other than the healer. But then when I was a healer, I was keeping these guys alive and I jumped to the next one and keep going with like that. I mean, that game that I played the healer, I played it two or three times, but we only lost by a couple of points. So I'm obviously much, much better as a support character than anything else.
00:59:44
Speaker
I need to get you to get a PS4 so you so we can play divinity original scene. And that was my next one. You heard that. He was going to buy me a PS4. Yeah, that's kind of what I heard. You can blame me, James. If Phil will get me a PS4, I will. You'll take a shot. I'm going to have to turn the video camera off in a sec.
01:00:07
Speaker
Okay. Cool. Um, James next James. Uh, I actually wanted to ask you guys something. Uh, I was, um, already, already told you I accept low jobs. It's well, um, later. Um, I was, uh, perusing the, you know, what to watch next and all that. I came across some Marvel Spider-Man as a TV series. Old school on recent.
01:00:34
Speaker
it was saying it was season one. It must be an animated series. Is it? Okay. Yeah. It's definitely not alive. Okay. I just happened to pass and I'm like, Oh, okay. No, I knew I'd know they were making another animated series. Um, the, the last couple weren't very good. Um, one back on nights. Spider-Man just, it just said Marvel's Spider-Man. I'm not going to exactly repeat the site that I was on, uh,
01:01:01
Speaker
Certain reasons, but, uh, VPNs doing you well. Yes. But, uh, yeah, I was sort of popped up and I'm like, Oh, okay. I'm like, I knew I was coming here later and I'm like, Oh, I don't know. I just jumped to, Oh, it must've been a, uh,
01:01:18
Speaker
And you sort of more live-action or something. No, definitely completely wrong. Definitely animated. I've talked Marvel's Spider into IMDB and all I get is a fan-made, no-budget, one-hour film produced by Made Legit Media. So, I don't know what it was. I'll have to look it up later and yeah. Have you seen Homecoming?
01:01:41
Speaker
No, I haven't. Neither have I. Did you watch anything on the plane? It was interesting. It was nothing good on the plane. It was all shit. I watched Guardians of the Galaxy 2 again. We watched that last night too. Which I've subsequently bought on 4K and still haven't unwrapped. I've also got Aliens, the latest Aliens. Covenant, yeah. I watched that too while you were away. I've still haven't seen it. While you were away, we watched a couple of movies because I was so sick. When Louise got home, we'd throw a movie on.
01:02:09
Speaker
We keep buying stuff and then we go home and watch fucking defenders on Netflix, so I've got a stack of shit to watch. Guardians 2 was okay. That's right, you hadn't seen it. It was okay. Yeah, like I said, if you had never seen Guardians 1, it would have been a groundbreakingly good movie. Yeah. It was quite
01:02:29
Speaker
Cheesy the whole we're not friends. We're family like you just that that that that came off They did push it a little too far. I kind of felt like they were trying to take the piss out of themselves and didn't Well, I don't think they did it. Well, there was there was a couple of really bad points in the in the movie where they made it and
01:02:48
Speaker
But they're obviously trying to build it for the third one being their last one together. So they're trying to push that that relationship between them quite quickly too. Exactly. Yeah. I thought the alien with the stalk eyes was kind of sexy. Have you seen it without the makeup?
01:03:04
Speaker
No, that makes it less fucked up, so I'm not interested. What does that sound like? I want James T Kirk's dull alien sex, yo. I think the, um, the makeup. Tentacle hentai.
01:03:19
Speaker
I think the makeup on Zoe Saldar. And the guy who plays Yondu. I think that was quite flawless. And even Drax. We watched it on HD. I think all that full body colour makeup has just come so far and it's just really, really good these days.
01:03:43
Speaker
And you don't, um, you don't feel like there's, it's just a person in makeup. You actually feel like it's a person, like that is them. Even, even up against Peter Quill and even, I mean, Rocket was great in the first one too, but I mean, you don't, you don't feel like he's not there or they're talking to a little green puppet or something. It's done, it's done beautifully. Ratchet's a great character.
01:04:12
Speaker
I worked. Rocket is a great character. Baby Groot was obviously awesome. But yeah, I thought it was good, really good. But I think the first one was better. Yeah. I said the same thing. I totally agree.
01:04:27
Speaker
I think I was listening. You guys raised this like two podcasts ago, I think. Yeah. I think you hit it on the head because I think I literally just watched it the weekend before when I listened to the podcast and he basically said, if it was the first one, it'd be a great first movie. Yeah. As a sequel, it's like more of the same. It's good, but yeah. And Yondu didn't need to die. It was a cheap plot device.
Sampling and Explaining Edge Brewing's Imperial Stout
01:04:53
Speaker
So we have in front of us, Edge Brewing Company from Victoria, the Imperial Stout. This is a massive stout. This has 10% and they boast a 90 IBUs. Jesus. Which is bitterness units on the bottle itself. How about international though?
01:05:12
Speaker
They are international IBUs. It's a beautiful dark stout with a nice sort of light chocolatey head foam to it. You can see the residual sugar in the head. Nice, nice dense foam. And this is what I'm talking about with residual sugar. So it's a thicker, sweeter body.
01:05:35
Speaker
And if you look at the top of the head, you should see lots of dark coagulating colour at the very top. Level the glass and then have a look through the side at the very top. Yeah. So you can see it quite clearly there.
01:05:48
Speaker
Yeah. I think that's a really nice down as well. So we've got, we've, we've had another really good three or four beers. Yeah. Um, this one's very, very chocolatey. It is very chocolatey. Yeah. And you do get the hit of the end and you, you know, this doesn't, it doesn't quite mask the alcohol as well as some of the other big stouts we've had, but at the same time, it also comes off as very balanced. Yeah. It doesn't work against it. You do, you do get that booze there, but it doesn't, it doesn't work against it. Yeah. This could be made, but I get a very vegemite sandwich.
01:06:18
Speaker
You do. It's inescapable with it with an imperial style that big though. Yeah, I mean, because you get the title. Is it the bitterness? Is it the I don't know what the word is if it's tartness or bitterness, but you get something very similar out of that much alcohol as you would Vegemite. Yeah, but you also.
01:06:38
Speaker
The Vegemite character, I wish this beer wasn't so hard to find and so damn expensive, but there is a beer that is like drinking Vegemite. It's a stout. It's... That doesn't sound appealing, Dan. You know what? I've tried it and it's not appealing. Yeah. No, no, no. No, it's not appealing. What was that old drink?
01:07:01
Speaker
Bonnocks. Bonnocks, that's it. My mum used to say that. Tea, coffee, Bonnocks. It was a reference to some TV series that I was... It was a fucking ad and it must have been out and we're all the same age and all of our fucking parents used to say it. Yeah, Bonnocks was literally a Vegemite beverage. It sounded feral. So this beer, it comes in a ceramic blue bottle.
01:07:26
Speaker
It's one of the big breweries that makes it, one of the big American breweries that makes it. It's incredibly strong, and it tastes, it's really thick and tastes like Vegemite, and I fucking hate it. But you get a lot of Vegemite character from yeast or Ptolysis, so when still living yeast, if it's left on dead yeast too long, re-consumes the dead yeast. So we have cannibal yeast. It becomes mega yeast.
01:07:52
Speaker
It gives that Vegemite character, so yeast autolysis, it's the eating of the yeast. That's not what... Which is probably what Vegemite gets its character from, because it is a yeast fucking paste. It could well do. That's... That are Axial Grease, I mean one of the two. That's not what this comes from, but that is getting some of that Vegemite character from those dark malts that incredibly high alcohol, and just that yeast working in there as well.
01:08:17
Speaker
It's still a very, very nice beard. That Vegemite character is obviously there, and to our international listeners, which we do have, American and English listeners. It's what you spread on your face to stop the drop bears from attacking. That's right. That's exactly right. Okay. I won't say any more. Let's just leave it at that.
Introduction to Hannibal TV Series
01:08:40
Speaker
Um, we're at a, we're right on an hour 10. So you want to wrap with one last topic? Um, I've got another TV series that we've started watching. You know how much I don't particularly watch TV series. So this one's absolutely suck at me and I will have to talk to Chris about it at some point, but Hannibal based on red dragon, silence of the lambs, those books and movies. Um, so you've got Mads Mikkelsen playing, uh, playing Hannibal.
01:09:10
Speaker
It is basically a criminal minds TV series. It's that type of TV series. It's R rated and it's extremely good. Is it Netflix or Pirate Bay? It's on Stan. Pirate who?
Sound Design and Mads Mikkelsen in Hannibal
01:09:35
Speaker
It has a, as I've spoken about many, many times, one of the things I love, it has a very strong continuous story. Some of the episodes have their own individual stories within them. Then you'll get an episode that is just about the main story and then you'll get another sort of mini episode, but they all link in.
01:09:57
Speaker
the mini stories within the larger stories all have these, this ongoing impact to the overall story. Yeah. Okay. So like Doctor Who when it was good. Yes. So they all have some sort of linkage to Bad Wolf. Yeah. So whether it's a, whether it's a crime or a killer that's impacting the mental state of one of the agents or how Hannibal's interacting with the agents or the killer or something like that, it's, it has this overall link to the full story.
01:10:27
Speaker
It's fucking really, really good. And is Hannibal represented well? Hannibal is represented great. I really like Mads Mikkelsen. I think he's a great actor. I like a lot of the stuff he's in. He plays Hannibal fantastic. Like he is this smooth talking psychiatrist. And then they've represented his whole cannibalism beautifully as well. Like it's, it makes you want to eat the food he's eating. It's poetic.
01:10:54
Speaker
Sorry. Poetic. It's poetic. It is beautifully poetic. He is immaculately dressed. His whole presence within the TV series is just, it's an absolute masterpiece. I think it's, I'm only, we're eight episodes into season one. I think it's one of the best crafted TV series I've ever watched.
01:11:12
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They have a very strong, this is what I want to talk to Chris about and get him to watch a couple of episodes. They have a very strong sense of sound and they use sound continuously throughout an episode to induce a whole bunch of feelings and a feeling to a scene that you might not expect.
01:11:33
Speaker
So it can be a conversation like we're having here and there's no music to go with it, but there's this underlying hum. There's always noise in this series and it's very rarely will you get any period of film that's not accompanied by music or noise of some sort. I can't describe it as anything else other than noise. It's more like ambience.
01:11:58
Speaker
It's ambience. It's ambient noise, but it's not like the world around us ambience. It's a deliberate human made noise to go with. And there are some very disturbing sort of horror cues, the cellos and the scraping of the violins and the strings and all that sort of stuff. But then there's this underlying hum to everything.
01:12:18
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And noise and sound is very used in a very disturbing kind of way. And you always feel a little bit on edge because of this. In the audio. This this ongoing noise that's in there and it's very heavily focused on serial killers, obviously.
01:12:38
Speaker
Would you fuck me? I'd fuck me. I'd fuck me hard. It rubs the lotion on the skin. Uh, so Ed, you can see where that disturbing element of Buffalo Bill and that can then build from this earlier, this earlier version of, it is. So Will Graham is the main character. Will Graham is the Edward Norton character from Red Dragon who ended up catching Hannibal.
01:13:06
Speaker
Right, so... I don't think I've seen Red... Is that the second or the third? I saw two. So, it's the prequel. So, it's set before Science and Lambs. Hannibal's already been caught. Right. Ralph Fiennes is the... I think I have seen it then. So, he's the main bad guy. Edward Norton is the FBI agent who is consulting with Hannibal and... Right.
01:13:26
Speaker
But he's also the one that caught Hannibal and put him in the psycho ward. Right. And then Science of the Lambs is afterwards and then it goes to Hannibal and then Hannibal Rising is set when he's a teenager. Right. I think I've seen Hannibal and Red Dragon then. I haven't seen the latest, which is Hannibal Rising.
01:13:43
Speaker
Hannibal, right? Yeah, but it's a prequel. It's a prequel to Red Dragon. Right. Yeah. So it's the prequel to the prequel. But it's the... Fucking, so I'm curious how it was, guys. Just making me more. Why is it hard? So it's, I've, I've seen them all. I've enjoyed even the bad ones. I think Hannibal is a very interesting character to me. And that's why we finally went in on the TV series. Be careful, boys. Be very, very careful.
01:14:10
Speaker
But they say it's the quiet ones you need to watch so you don't have to worry about any of us. It is a very good TV show and I had a little bit of read on Wikipedia and it was very highly regarded through critics but its ratings
Hannibal Series Recommendation
01:14:26
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were down.
01:14:26
Speaker
Yeah. Okay. So ultimately they canceled it, but I would recommend it. We have eight episodes into season one. I'm loving it. There's three seasons of 13 episodes. And you said Netflix? Stan. Stan. Stan.
01:14:42
Speaker
You know, Pete, that I have a very hard time starting a series and I have a very hard time continuing and finishing a series. I just want you guys to fuck off so I can go and watch a couple more episodes of Hannibal. Oh, well, in that case, we'll fuck off. James, thank you very much for joining us, mate. Thanks, James. Well, welcome. It's been emotional. It goes quick, doesn't it? Thanks, guys. Thanks, guys. Have a good one.