Introduction and Episode Overview
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Okay. Well, I guess we'll jump, rip right, slide right into the, to the joint. It's always funny because we recorded the episode already. Right. So I know what we reference about this, but like this is coming before it, but yeah, no, you know,
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We got our boy Jaquis Neal on today. It's a fun episode. Your text-in question was implemented. And if you're wondering why I'm mentioning a text-in question, it's because Haase is sitting out. But look, it's already off the rail.
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Welcome back everybody. Thanks for tuning in. You know all that. This is episode 41. And yeah, we're up to 41 last week. Now I'm from 50. What we gonna do for 50?
Future Plans for Episode 50
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I mean, we gonna have to get somebody big for 50, man. But you know, last week. Call up Marcus Jordan. The only way you can get in touch with him is through the back door.
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Was solid pun. You know, I'm like a pun. That's great. You know, last week we did just you and me. This is the first time that we ever did just a sit down, talk about the future of the podcast, the past of the podcast and where we are now. And this week we hit a couple speed bumps, but, you know, we, you were able to, you were able to write the ship.
Interview with Jaquis Neal on Sneaker Culture
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I'm like, this is all on you.
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Yeah. I mean, yeah, it is all on me. So if it's trash, you know who's fault it is. Don't come at us. That interview was he ain't asking none of the questions. It was a, it is an interview. I wish you were there for, because Jackie says a newer sneaker head to me. Like I know, I know the, like his pick from his, my first kick.
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I was there when he picked it, and we gonna get into like how I felt when he got it, but I was there. Yeah, just because you weren't there, I'll spoil it a little bit. We all used to be at the same podcast network at iHeart Radio.
Reflection on iHeart Radio Days
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I had Nerd If Ascent, he had Culture Kings, and then Miles was on The Daily Zeitgeist. So me and Miles are huge sneakerhead, both LA natives too.
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He was in a rap group with Shia LaBeouf and he played some of the tracks. I was like, this is crazy. But he's been about it. We're going to have him on too. But Miles has been, you know, in the game. Miles Gray. No, I'm thinking about somebody else.
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Yeah, you might be thinking about miles great miles. He's like la kid just like me You know, he was wearing preem before it was like preem, you know, he was wearing it when it was the skate brain Yeah, so when we always used to talk about that and how that's why he like refuses to like ever like if you want something and it's if he doesn't get it then he doesn't get it because he's like
StockX Ad Deal and Sneakerhead Jealousy
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I remember there's no way you can't get me to spend this much money. He's like, as a matter of fact, I wish I saved all the stuff I bought from them. Cause I would be making bank. He was like, he, he had one shirt. They looked up. That was like $200. Yeah. You know, so anyway, so we're, we're, we're all working there.
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Like I said, me and Miles, super sneaker head. Like I'm talking about we in that we come in there. Cause I used to go and record daily site guys and we'd be there like seven in the morning to, you know, just doing it on sneakers, talking about L's nonstop. Jacquees and Edgar who did culture Kings.
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Couldn't give a shit about sneakers. But they had the podcast that was like about black dudes talking shit for black men. So StockX hit them up.
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to do an ad and gave them both, I think it was $250 credit to get anything off the site in exchange for the ad deal. And me and Miles were like, yo, why haven't, wait, wait, wait, wait, we were fighting real like talk and they were like, no. And it was like a unique thing where it wasn't through our usual ad system. What happened was StockX specifically came to this. So yeah.
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And I was like, me and Miles were begging, we were like, come on. So Edgar and Jaquis had that 250 and then they showed us what they picked with that 250. And me and Miles had thoughts, had lots of thoughts. And of course, it had that extra salt because we wanted it to. So you know, it was, oh.
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Oh, my God, man. I'm high because I'm high for everybody listening now to check it out. You know, I gave it a couple. I gave it a listen before we jumped on to this and.
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It's interesting. Well, it's so funny. But it was so good because it kind of goes to that recurring thing where I always ask people about growing up in the hood and getting the sneaks. And that's what's wild. It's so funny. It is such an interesting ride. But speaking of salt, salt and sweet, we took major Ls this week.
Sneaker Wins and Losses
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We took some major Ls.
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A lot of times it was a lot of solidarity between the pod, a lot of brotherhood, a lot of brotherhood and solidarity. We'd wake up, it'd be 720, and we'd both send each other that text, took an L, took an L, took an L. It was feeling good. I was like, okay, at least if I'm taking an L, my bro was taking an L. We in it together. Then today, on Thursday, August 19th,
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I get another text after us sharing our Ls, talking about some.
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Well, looks like it turned around for me. And tell them what you got. Tell them what you got. I'm so mad.
Exclusive Access to Off-White Dunks and PS5 Story
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Yo. Yo. Yes. Everybody listening, I got lucky. I was able to get a chance to cop the off-white dunks. And listen. Listen. The week before. How many of them weird sneaker stories did you sit there watching to get the access? How many of those weird blogs? Listen. See, that's why I'm not getting them, because I refuse.
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I'm telling you, but I'm going to tell you the story because you didn't know this part. But shout out to my boy David, who is Lil Dave from the K Def episode. He is a big he's hugely against Virgil. So in our discord, if you ever want to join the discord, let me know. But it's a separate discord from this podcast. So we were talking about Virgil and I was just saying, you know, I big him up. This dude is
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has transcended fashion. He's literally the first black person to be the head of Louis Vuitton. This dude, he's transcending it. Also coming up from the Kanye camp. I feel like the Kanye camp. I love you.
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You know, that's my boy. He's been on the dark side. I need him to come home, but, um, he has a way of like, if he, if he feels you are ascending too quick for him, if it feels like you're going to beat him
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or lab him, he has a way of trying to, you know, kneecap you. And that's why the Kanye cap came up with him and all kind of dispersed. And I don't think there's any like ill will or bad blood, you know, especially there was that great moment at Virgil's first fashion show since taking over where they, where they like hug up. But
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Kanye was crying in his arms at that. And I was just like, you can feel that, yo, we made it. It wasn't about Kanye at that point. And that's why I think Virgil, even though he's controversial in terms of just he's stolen designs before. Ooh, I didn't know about that. Yeah, I mean, that's what his biggest thing is, is that. But he also is like an incubator like that. Who's that SR underscore fellow?
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I'm gonna find out. Yeah, but uh, so we me and and little Dave getting get into this this argument into in our discord and you know, he's hugely against Virgil and He won the off whites dunks and he's just like I'm just gonna let these go like this is just this is just to resell and I'm just like he's just like oh fuck Virgil and I'm just like I
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I mean, I think, you know, I think you should give him a little bit more credit than you're trying to just leave him under the rug. And he wasn't having any of it. And I was just like, listen.
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My stance, I mean, and I've been in the fashion industry before. I've seen it. I dated somebody who was in it and was trying to get into it. And it's a lot of just stealing. A lot of fashion in fashion is stealing.
Fashion Industry Copying Culture and Virgil Abloh
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No original idea. Oh, yeah. Well, yeah, it's like a weird thing. Because also, it's like, you know.
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Samuel Ross and Associates was who I thought. Samuel Ross, SR underscore A is a guy who he kind of, Virgil kind of took in and kind of adopted his style. But it's kind of, I feel like fashion is still in the same way that Ye was stilling. Like, you know, Ye would always have this new up and comer under his wing. And then like his sounds always sounds very similar to that.
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But then like a lot of times, you know, like, for example, a Cudi, like Cudi still is Cudi. And then, you know, he, I guess we'll say borrowed that sound, you know, and then you had that with, you know, designer. And, you know, I feel like you'll always have people who are like, what? But like, I have
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One of my, Yeezus is one of my favorite albums. And like, you know, speaking of Miles from earlier, he was like, just listen to Death Grips. And I was like, I do listen to Death Grips. And I can see the inspiration that you're talking about, but it's so different.
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it's so different. Exactly. It's so death grips is so aggressive and he toned down the aggressiveness. He took the aggressive like sonical sound, but he still added his own melody to him. So I think that's what it comes. And I think that can happen in fashion too. Honestly, it does suck because like, you know, it always is like,
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To me, I think it always comes down who you stealing or borrowing from. Like if it's like, you know, your peers, like, you know, the same way that once Balenciaga's chunky shoe was blowing up a little bit, you started noticing, you know, LV with the chunky shoe. Yeah, yeah. You know, you noticed all across the...
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Luxury brands, they were doing that same, Sketchers, Datch and, you know, same thing with the job. Like it's all that where everyone kind of takes their own take. And, you know, hopefully everyone has their own original taste to it. But I think you can't, you know, explode it. And I think also something to like.
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note is like he had to get a certain level to just, you know, do it. It's like, it's not like he just took it. And then that's what blew him up. You know, he had his own signature style. He was already doing a lot of the caution tape and a lot of the artwork on shirts with the off and then the white on the back. And he, he's has so many original ideas that I feel like for anybody to be like,
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He's just stealing ideas is is a little asinine to me and and then for him even though like and I don't even feel like it's like on the back of others that he became the head of Louis V to the point that he's like he's such an in-demand name that he's able to collab with brands that don't even talk to each other and
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And I feel like that goes like, you know, there's always going to be hype and people are going to hate hype and
Impact of OnlyFans' Content Ban
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all that other stuff. But I think I think if you just look at what he has let the landscape of his work, I feel like he deserves all the credit that he's getting.
00:12:38
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Oh yeah. Yeah. Uh, yeah. But it's a long roundabout way to say that I got the off white dunks. Yeah, you got them. And you tried to tell me that there was no link, but the soul links did have links, but you had to, Mr. Computer Hacker, Mr. Emmy winning computer hacker didn't even realize you have to open in, um, in Chrome and it prompts it. And you'll know, because it will say coming soon, if you weren't available,
00:13:08
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or it'll say sold out. Well, so I never even saw that. So like what I got was just, Hey, you got an exclusive, you got exclusive access. You got the dropdown and you great. I'm just going to say I'm just mad because I followed soul links today. And I was like, maybe I should turn on a text alert. And I was like, nah, it's not, it's not. And then I saw that today and I was like, I should have turned on the goddamn text alerts.
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I just think that, you know, at this point, like, so that's why I was just saying, like, you know, I had this argument yesterday and then Virgil was just like, yo, he backed me up. He backed me up in this chat.
00:13:50
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hook them up, give them a pair. Yeah, you got the energy. So let me go, let me go defend him from someone slandering him so I could get my dub tomorrow. But yeah, I was, I was real mad about it. I was real mad about it. You know, you all took dubs and then you came back and I was all mad till about, till about, till about,
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two o'clock today. I get a text from my cousin who's like, you still need that PS5? And I was like, yeah. He was like, he sent me a Discord announcement that he's in this like PS5 direct starting in 13 minutes. And what I've noticed is I've always come late and then you're in the queue and you way back in the queue. And I told myself, I was like, I gotta go there with the countdown. I need to go in when it starts. So sure enough, I'm in there. It counts down, they hit me with the capture, I'm in there.
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Countdown says the usual hour. I'm like, damn, this probably gonna be a L. And now two things are happening. At 2.30, I have my table read for Grand Crew with the cast and everything. At 2.24, I need to pick up my daughter from school because her mom couldn't pick her up from school. Her car was in the shop.
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So there's two conflicts already because that, you know, even though her school is across the street, like I was worried that it might take too long. But then also now I got the Sony side up and I'm like, well, you know, it might be an L and then it comes down. It's like 45 minutes till you're in. I was, oh, I've never seen this number. I've never seen this number. The old Jordan, Jordan, Jordan, smile at you right there. It came back on the four or five. And then it was like, boom. And then I go up and I look again and said, 35 minutes. I'm like, yo.
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Okay. And if you've never sat in the PS direct, what happens is there's a little note. That's like, yeah, there's some, yeah, yeah. There's a blue bar and then under it, it says, there's some, there's some PS fives left because lots of times you'll be sitting there and then you like, Oh damn, it's not that long of a wait. Then you look under there and it's like, we all sold out of PS five. So that's why you bumping up the line. So I was like, damn.
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I kept waiting, seeing if it would drop. It wasn't dropping. I was like, fuck, I gotta go get my daughter. Let me go. Because either way, I could have been like, all right, I'll wait till 2.30 or some shit. Luckily, it worked better that I went when I did. You'll see why. I go to pick her up.
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At 224, I'm fuming, because she's in kindergarten, and her teacher does something where she has the kids follow her, and they slowly walk to the door, and I'm like, you need to hurry this up. Not only do I got a table read, I also got a PS5 on the line, and if I miss it, I'm cussing you out. I'm sending you an email, cussing you out.
00:16:41
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And you know, when you, when you're doing something, everything takes way longer because like, and then you also get the anxiety, you feel it and you feel it just building up in your chest. Oh my gosh. Because the whole time, like, you know, the way it works is like, you know, you wave and you're like, Hey, and then she'll point to your kid and then she'll let the kid, you know, she'll let
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the kid go to you at the gate. So I'm waving and she pointed and then she taps the kid and I've run to the front to see Naomi. My kid don't come. I run back. Naomi's still sitting there. So I wave again and this time she not looking. So I'm waving trying to get her attention. And I'm also like, somebody kid probably gone because the kid she tapped was not my kid. But, but eventually Naomi comes, I pick her up.
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And I run from school through the tunnel back up. I'm talking about I hop in. I drop her down. I look. Boom. It was like it was like you got 10 minutes, 10 minutes away in the line. I was like, I've never gotten this close.
00:17:45
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I hop in the zoom, shoot, it's sweating. We start the table reading. I'm like, I hope that this don't land on when I got a line. I hope I'm like freaking out. So there, so I'm like looking at the, cause cause I got two screens. So on this screen, I got the PS five and this screen, I got the zoom and the table read. And like, I'm looking at the lines and looking at it and it's getting shorter, but we going through it. I'm like, Oh shoot. Oh shoot. Cause I cause I'm like, I can't,
00:18:12
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But then luckily I get in and it was, it was scary at first cause I scrolled and it was like sold out and I was like, Oh shit. And then I looked at the other one, the disc one, and it was like, sign in to buy. And I was like, shit, I hope I remember my passport. Boy, my brain came in clutch cause I on first try got it in.
00:18:29
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bought it, and you know you didn't think it was real when you bought, I was like, it ain't real till I get that charge. And then I got the charge and your boy finally got the PS5, I'm hyped. I mean, I'm happy for you, but I mean, I sent you a message after. Yeah, yeah, you said you wish it was the Xbox One X. No, bro. No, bro. You should know too, because you game on PC, everything that the Xbox One X gets, we get on the PC. We get the game pass.
00:18:59
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we get in the halo. So there's no need. So that's, well, that's why I'm, I started on the Xbox. I actually, I started on the PlayStation. Okay. Cause at the PS one, actually, if we'd be in really, I started on the India, I mean, I started on the Sega Genesis, but if we're talking about like,
00:19:16
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adult year's gen loyalty. I was a Xbox boy, had the 360, had the one, and then that was when I got in my real grown man, because I had like the four and the 360 at the same, I mean the one and the PS4 at the same time. And I was rocking and I was like, cool. And then like, so I'm probably gonna end up getting the Series X, but the Series X, that was the biggest bag fumbled, because I had it,
00:19:45
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on Amazon. And then it was like when it first, first, first dropped and I had it. I was like, cool. And then Amazon was like, Oh, you ain't getting this first batch. You getting the next one. I was like, but you said that I was so mad. I was like, I'm going to cancel it and I'm just going to order it later when it's out and freely available. Psych.
00:20:07
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Listen, I'm happy with my Series X, all right? Okay, cool, but you have that PC you built, right? Yeah, but I don't think it's... So listen, the argument here is that my PC is not stronger than my Xbox. Word life? Yeah, like yours is...
00:20:27
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Whatever you're running what you got the monster. Yeah, you got the 2080 ti exactly like yeah, so I'm not Okay, so is the ran it okay? All right, so but you saw the temps on when I was Like these You might have to stream on console just to keep your shit safe To be honest, but but you also I mean this was today was a hard day for you. You know we got only fans shutting it down
00:20:59
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I've never seen a company straight kill themselves. Cause they was like, it's like, what, you think people gonna go there for Rachel Dojal feet pics? I didn't even see, I saw that and I was like, I can't believe she was just like, I'm approved now. I'm like, what are they gonna see? White pictures of you now? Like. I know, I know. When she was like, I'm gonna do tasteful stuff like showing my feet.
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Showing you the the mashed potatoes with the raisins in it that side of her like It's crazy like and then but you know we capped off before we jumped on to this episode before we jumped on to record this intro I Connected you mm-hmm
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And your boy. Yeah, and I'm about to get them NERDs and that was those sent on a sentimental level. It's like, I mean, truly all of the NERDs are grail status for me. So you really came through in the clutch and I forgive you for not being quicker with sending a soul links tweet to me truly and honestly. Yeah. Shout out to our boy, Alex.
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He hooked me up with a second pair of bacons and also. Oh, yeah. So it's that guy. Yeah. This is our guy. Same size as us. So he deserves a well shout out because he hooked us both up. And he didn't beat us in the head. He gave us retail prices, which is crazy. I know. He doesn't know how much I love him. He doesn't know. It's crazy. And I think it's full circle.
Social Media Handles and Listener Engagement
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How about we jump into where you can find Jackie's, man.
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Or can you find John Keese? You're gonna have to bring him. Yeah, yeah, I got you. John Keese Neal on, which will be linked in the, you know, in the footnotes. John Keese Neal on Twitter and Instagram. And for your boy, yours truly, if you whitey way on Twitter and Instagram, what about you, Haas? You know, I am who is Haas on all social medias. You know, I'm trying to get the actual who is Haas at who is Haas on Twitter. So if you can like,
00:23:15
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You know, everybody's listening to this. Just just just ping at that guy because he only has one follower and he has no post. And I'm trying to get that name. But at a certain point, you should be able to get it because like they they started giving people the boot if they don't use.
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if they don't use it, so hopefully. Don't forget, leave a five-star review and leave your My First Kicks. Speaking of which, I'm about to Venmo your boy right now. Let's go. Yeah, so y'all enjoy this episode while I secure these kicks. Yeah, leave a five-star review on iTunes.
00:23:52
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Right? Cause I don't even know why we still saying this, man. Y'all really hate us. I mean, shout out to the person who left the five star review, but didn't, uh, didn't say anything. You, you would go cause you don't, you know, you to go for show, for show, for show, but all y'all who we've clearly asked you, you know,
00:24:10
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You know, please hook us up. Like this is going to help us tremendously. It'll help us get more guests. You know, some people that you want to hear us. If we are high, hear us talk to, uh, if we're high up on the rankings and we could be like, yo, we're number one in fashion and beauty or.
00:24:27
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I mean, we're not going to be number one in comedy, but we can do fashion and beauty, I think. So yeah, hook us up. Don't forget to send your My First Kick stories to myfirstkickspod at gmail.com. And, you know.
00:24:45
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We'll see you guys next week.
Upcoming Episodes and Jaquis Neal's Introduction
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We got an action-packed run for you. I think this is kicking off such a fun run. So just buckle up. Me and Haas are about to get into some Gucci fun. And then the wheels are going to be on the train, and the train's going to be going full speed after that. So now we bring to you Jacquees Neil.
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All right. What it do, everyone? We are here with the illustrious Jaquis Neal, good friend, voiceover actor, regular actor.
Jaquis Neal's Background and Skills
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I don't I don't want to say I got so many V.O. homies that hate when people say call a regular actor. But he's like, actor of all trades on screen, voiceover.
00:25:43
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and, you know, comedian, podcaster extraordinaire, got some dope stuff on the horizon. I'm all excited. But, you know, did I miss anything? What should people, what should our listeners know about you? You get, we let you, you know, you know what I'm saying? Extreme lover, you know what I'm saying? Just, just, just, just a great lover, just a great friend, you know, I'm gonna hold your hand, give you a good back rub. And then a little cute too, a little cute too.
00:26:12
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Oh, yes. Yes, indeed. Oh, that's if you haven't figured out by now, we probably set it in the intro. You know, we're we're it's it's it's me and Jacquees Hassan, you know, had a had a business party to go to. Hopefully I told him to get drunk on the intro. That's why he's not here. I was like, get drunk and then we'll do the intro, which you drunk. He sent me a text right now saying, ask Jacquees about Jordan in his life. And I think I know
00:26:41
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what he means. I think because you're from Chicago, he wants that insight. Which, yeah, is something when I first was asking you to come on was what I wanted to hit. I definitely did forget. And that's why Hassan's the co-host of the year. That's right. That's why he's the man. Well, I mean, we're already kicking this off hot. So let's just jump right into the question.
Jaquis Neal's Must-Have Jordans
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What were your first pair of kicks that you just had to have? You just had to have them.
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first pair that I just had to have. I mean, you know, if I'm getting into the sneaker dome over the past couple of years. So 2018 is when I bought my own first pair of Jordans and it was the Jordan threes, red denims.
00:27:26
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I had to go with the Jordans. I had to go with the Chicago colors. I even think I talked to you or Miles. Miles Gray. Shout out Miles. Yeah. Told y'all I got those. And y'all was like, oh, man, you should have got something more. I was like, bro, I had to get the Chicago. I couldn't let my first Jordans not be the Chicago colors, the Chicago Bulls. Oh, yeah. I mean, we were on your head about that because
00:27:51
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you are. And it was so funny and it wasn't even really because you picked it. I think what it was was because you had that stock X deal for your pod and none of us could get it. We were so, we were so pressed and really, so really just know it was, it was, it was mostly hating. It's, it's less about you and mostly because we were hating because we couldn't get that. But, but yeah,
00:28:16
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I'm going to run it down. I only have the S E version. So, uh, so let's, so I'm just going to go over here, which was, Oh, I think this, this might be the one right here. Uh, yeah. Uh, so stock X run down, no matter how frequently they released the OG colorways of certain Air Jordan models are always popular amongst sneaker enthusiasts and basketball fans in 2013.
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Air Jordan Retro 3 Fire Red is a great example of that. While the Tinker Hatfield design has stood the test of time, the same can't be said for some of the story-less colorways that have released over the years. But when an original comes back, like the Fire Red Jordan 3, it seems all the memories of the 25 years prior seem to flood the internet and the memory banks. Of those, that's all Michael Jordan played back in the day. There couldn't be one more perfect for Jaquis specifically.
00:29:09
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Seriously, that is exactly the reason I got those dude. I grew up in Chicago. Yeah. The Jordan three fire red colorway stuck to its original design with the white upper gray underlay below the laces and on the tongue. And of course the fire red color on the jump man logo and midsole.
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The Dark Elephant print design helps this original color wave stand out from the other OGs, even in retro form. Although 2013 was filled with Air Jordan 3 retro releases, both original and otherwise, the Air Jordan Retro 3 Fire Red sold well and undoubtedly back into a sneaker rotation for those that had to retire the previously released 2007 version.
00:29:46
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So yeah, no, that's perfect because yeah, you said fire red at first and we couldn't find it because there was the all red fire red. Yeah, the SE fire red, but you were right. It is the fire red and the denim red is a SE of another one. You know, cigarettes know there are certain silhouettes where they share so many names and it's so hard to find the exact one, but I found it at the last second. And I do remember these were the ones I'm looking at because it's so funny because you're right.
00:30:16
Speaker
It, it like has this like basic design, but it's just a clean design. It's not necessarily like bad. And, and, and that's what I want to say is I did, we didn't think it was a bad shoe. It's a great pick. I mean, especially in my size, they're going for 390, you know, like there's, so they're, they're a high resale shoe, but I, you know,
00:30:38
Speaker
I think me and miles specifically go for these wilder styles and it's so simple but yeah i think that that was the perfect you choice and i think i kind of accidentally spoiled how you got it which was the stock x i got i got it on the stock x deal you know i have to put a little extra into it but i was like fuck it this will get me most of the way there.
00:30:59
Speaker
I put a little extra into it, and I was proud to wear those, man. I still rock them. They three years old, they got a couple little itty bitty creases in the toe area, the toe box. As they should. I feel like people get unrealistic about creases. The creases are gonna come. Especially on the Jays, I personally like with the Jordan 1s, as they get...
00:31:26
Speaker
kind of like worn down, they look better. Like not beat down to the dirt, but like as you get the creases, as the leather starts to get a little more wrinkly, like it really does pop off. So. It makes it, it makes it look like
00:31:45
Speaker
you know, a shoe of fashion and not just a shoe you only gonna wear once. Like a shoe that is not, this is my style. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I fuck with it. I fuck with, I fuck with the Jordan ones creases for sure. They all look good for me. Not all of them, but you know, the slight creases, the slight creases.
00:32:05
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, slight. Very, very slight. Yeah, no, that's I mean, that's and that's why I wanted you to come on specifically because I I'm kind of a newer sneakerhead too. I jumped on board around 2006, 15, 2016. So so like I'm not even, you know, a whole dang. Yeah, I'm not even a decade in yet. And then Haas has been, you know, in the game since
00:32:34
Speaker
the beginning. So it's always interesting to talk to someone like you and me who is newer into it. And it always comes down to the same thing I had Cody on. He said something similar as we started getting money.
00:32:52
Speaker
that's exactly what it is, bro. That's exactly what it is, man. Cause I bought those, I bought those, uh, those, those threes and 2018, like I said, and it was, they was tight, they was dope. And then I, and then I started buying some Adidas. I got on the Adidas kick, uh, cause Adidas can be a little easier to get, but they still look nice. You know what I'm saying? And like 2019, but in 2020,
00:33:15
Speaker
although it was a terrible year for most people, all of us, your boy's wallets changed, your boy's wallet changed, and your boy started getting a little bit more change in the pockets, and the nigga has bought about 15 pairs of shoes since early 2020, and it's solely because I can afford to.
00:33:37
Speaker
That is it. So you can afford shit. And you see it with everybody, man. I see it with Zig. I see it. You see it with all of us. Well, that's the funniest thing. And the thing if improv never comes back in the way it was before, that I'll miss about the improv community is
Improv Performers' Style Evolution
00:33:55
Speaker
because of the way improv works and the and the talent that lies in it, you always see that person who like started on the improv grind, broke as hell. And then you see them like start booking stuff here and there. You see them maybe get a writing job or a series regular. And that's the moment you see the flip. It happens in stand up to out here is the moment you see a dude get a TV writing job, his gear just completely upgrades. It's a beautiful thing. It's like
00:34:25
Speaker
It's a beautiful thing, man, and I love it, man. You can always tell. Like, even with Zig, with you, with Carl, with everybody, man, when everybody start making a little bit more bread, the style is always there. It's just, yo, it's expensive to... I don't want to say it's expensive to dress nice, because I actually reject that notion. I think you can dress nice with any budget you got.
00:34:45
Speaker
But to have all this, for lack of a better term, this hype be shit, the shit that we all like to get that has like the flavor, the style, and that costs a lot of money, you need that pocket change to do it. Or else, you know, you ain't gonna, you're gonna be eating your Nikes instead of eating food for the month. So yeah, man, I'm gonna miss that too, bro. I'm gonna miss, I'm gonna miss that. And I'm gonna miss seeing white people
00:35:11
Speaker
with no style, even if they got money, with just plaid and cargo shorts and beat up shoes. And then the niggas come on stage with chains and Jordans. Oh my God. Which white women started. You guys started that trend. I don't like saying it so much, but it is true. And I like that you said it.
00:35:36
Speaker
You know, you feel like Soulja Boy when you be like, we start. We start. Yeah. But more comfortable for us to wear our kicks on stage, man. I know. It was so funny because it really was, I think, the tipping bird.
00:35:52
Speaker
Tipping bird the tipping like point for that was already when it started Carl's refusal to not wear a fitted hat on stage like like I think that already we like broke ground in that in the sense that we're like because no no one was really doing that like everyone was like you come in with like a basic shirt some some pants and you know, you don't take too much attention away and
00:36:15
Speaker
And then I was like, no, I'm gonna wear this fitted hat. And then Zeke would wear a hat. And then we ended up having a stage where all these dudes wearing hats. So it was inevitable after that. Like the seal was broken. Oh man. I know. But you know what? How? Yeah. Let's like, I guess in that same vein, like
00:36:36
Speaker
You're very similar to me and Haas in the sense that you have many fandoms. And you also are funny in the sense that you'll have clutch things you'll like that no one expects from you, like your huge love of Jason Mraz, your dedication to a cruise, and now it looks like also you love a resort.
Intersection of Sneaker Culture with Other Fandoms
00:36:59
Speaker
Don't even get me started. We didn't even start on Disney. You're a Disney head.
00:37:05
Speaker
What's tight about sneaker culture, especially recent sneaker culture, is, hold on real quick. I'm gonna just keep going, but if y'all hear something in the background, listeners, I just realized I didn't move Naomi to my room, and she's watching some stuff. But, you know, we in too deep. We in too deep. We in too deep. At this point, we all gonna be listening to Paul Petroff. You know what I'm saying? Doc McStuffins, thank you very much. Women in STEM, women in STEM.
00:37:35
Speaker
Oh, my bad, my bad, my bad. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. So basically.
00:37:46
Speaker
You know, we're at a point in sneaker culture where so many, you know, uh, fandoms are just intersecting with it. Like, you know, I'm real up on the, uh, Gundam dunks that are coming and I've taken so many L's. I'm going to go to the dark side to get it. I don't need to explain what that is. Real ones. No, I'm going to the dark side to get them. And, uh, and I am because I got to have the last about five damn times I've, I've hit, I tried to get those Travis Scott's.
00:38:14
Speaker
Oh my gosh. I just came out, man. I took an L so quick in those bitches and I was like, let me just go see what they own, you know, on the other side. The motherfuckers went from 170 to almost $2,000. I was like, boy, this is some bullshit.
00:38:29
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, so we gonna say we gonna do everything we can to get those And I'm gonna be having two legit Gundam ducks on feet just you wait, whatever it takes but Yeah, you know like Disney has done a few Adidas drops here and there any of that
00:38:49
Speaker
look nice to you or does it look because I got like Naomi, the Stan Smith joints with with like many on top. I'm like, these are cool for kids. But I feel like sometimes with brands like Disney, a lot of brands could just get a little too.
00:39:05
Speaker
I guess family friendly with it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know me, dude, I have like fashionable Disney wear. So like I'm always with like the Disney wear. I haven't gotten the Disney Adidas shoes. Uh, Jess has and I bought some for her. Yeah. But I didn't get it for myself because I'm in a, I'm not in necessarily a weird place, but I'm in a, I'm in a place in my sneaker culture or my sneaker dumb where
00:39:33
Speaker
You know, I am still getting quote unquote basic stuff. And I don't want to say that I'm getting basic stuff. I'm getting some cool drops and drops that are hard to get, but I am enjoying because, you know, the Disney Adidas is something I would have bought before I started buying sneakers like a motherfucker.
00:39:54
Speaker
So like now I want to just get like all the shit that's hard to get. You know what I'm saying? I want to get all the stuff that, you know, I want to get these Jordan 11s. I want to get these, I want to get these SBDs Travis Scott's. Like I'm spending time and energy and money on that before I go back to, all right, let me look at some of the Disney collabs or some of the things that are a little easier to get that people would expect me to get anyway. You know what I'm saying?
00:40:23
Speaker
So yeah, man, I do want to get, I am going to, I am, I am starting to enter into the phase of, as you say, the more wild shoe, you know what I'm saying? Or, or, cause right now everything I've been getting while it's hot, they're dope, is relatively, has been relatively quote safe. Like I got some mochas, I got the, the, you know, the black, this, me and you got those same black Jordan 11s, you know,
00:40:50
Speaker
I got some of those and I'm starting to venture into. The wild shoe is just your nigga been taking ales like a motherfucker one as I'm trying to. So as soon as I can get a W. I'll start to have some more and then those those Disney drops will definitely be in my closet for sure to.
00:41:13
Speaker
Yeah, that's what's up. That's what's up. I know it's a it's a it's a good time. I mean, I think we'll you know, we should just definitely jump into what.
00:41:26
Speaker
what Haas wanted me to talk about, which is like, yeah, I mean, you grew up in Chicago. What is your relationship, not only with Jordan, but I guess the sneaker culture out there because y'all be living dangerously.
00:41:44
Speaker
to say the least. So, cause you know, everyone we've had on this pod and I think it's just because I grew up in Compton, everyone we've had on this pod that, you know, has grown, grown up in the hood. But they also, you know, they also like were into sneakers a long time. I always asked their relationship because that's kind of what took me so long to get in the game was I just seen too many dudes
00:42:09
Speaker
just walking home in socks that I was like, it ain't worth the problems. Yeah, bro. It's weird, man, because growing up, you know, to give people the point of reference who don't know me, I was born in 1986, which means I was, you know, I was in it. You know, I grew up with Michael Jordan.
00:42:35
Speaker
I didn't start watching this career on the tail end of it. My first basketball memory is the Bulls winning the championship against the Lakers. That's my first basketball memory, like ever. And niggas used to in Chicago when the Bulls would win, would shoot guns in the sky and shit just for celebration. My grandma, Christian woman.
00:42:56
Speaker
don't even curse, won't drink, wouldn't wear pants because it was against, you know, religion, would take a shotgun and shoot a fucking shotgun in the sky when the Bulls won the championship. We was deep in it, bro. Oh, my God. Grandma was getting it in. Grandma was getting it in, bro. So we was deep in it, man. So like.
00:43:15
Speaker
I even went to school with Michael Jordan's niece. I think me and you have talked about that before. It was Juanita's niece, but they were married. So it was Michael Jordan's niece. So I was in it. I was in it. And we was not buying Jordans because people would get in fights for them bitches. People, especially in Chicago, you would get in fights for them. You would get your shit stolen. They were expensive. And I think
00:43:46
Speaker
that because, at least during my age, that the Bulls were winning, and Jordan was, you know, like he went to baseball, then he had Space Jam, and then you winning championships, and you got Dennis Rodman, and you got, you know, the characters and things like that, that the actual sneaker culture in Chicago in the 90s when I was growing up,
00:44:11
Speaker
was almost not even secondary. It was like third, fourth, fifth on the list, you know, because we was winning titles. We was we had Dennis Rahman. Jordan was in movies. Jordan was in baseball like.
00:44:24
Speaker
People, at least when I was growing up, you had some people who were trying to get Jordans, but we weren't checking for them like that. You know, when the Jordans would come, and this is also a time when retros weren't a thing, you know? So it was just, when the Jordans came out, the Jordans were out. And if you didn't get them, you didn't get them. And so because of that,
00:44:44
Speaker
and there is no like jordan's coming back you know once it was gone it was gone this is before retros this was before retros right and so while jordan's were popular you know we still knew all the movies and the do the right things in the commercials and it gotta be the shoes so they were still popular.
00:45:02
Speaker
It wasn't worth the risk trying to get the Jordans. And not only was it not worth the risk, you also got to realize at that age, you know, the Bulls won their last title when I was 12, 13. At that age, you also got to ask your mama for her to get the shoes. And mama like, you want me to go stand in line, risk?
00:45:30
Speaker
getting jumped to buy you some $200 shoes that you going to grow out of in less than a year. Oh my gosh. Also the mental picture of
00:45:46
Speaker
the mental picture of like your mom getting jumped. Cause you know, you're getting a whooping after that too. Like she was like, you told me to go get it and I got jumped. So now I'm jumping you with this belt. You go get spanked. You go get spanked and you ain't never, you go get case with us and cares for the rest of your life. That's punishment. That's punishment. Yeah.
00:46:09
Speaker
So, yeah, man, like, you know, we had growing up for me and I'm sure there's different people and different experiences, but for me, the Jordan shoe was equated. And I hate to say this.
00:46:23
Speaker
especially you know how we are as black people we don't like to say shit with white ears listening all the time but you know the Jordan shoe was equated to not only difficulty getting but also like it could be a little dangerous to go get the Jordans you know what I'm saying like so that was what the Jordan shoe is equated to for me it wasn't until I got to high school around 2000 2001
00:46:47
Speaker
that I was, oh shit, like Jordan is for fashion. Yeah, let's go. And now I want some, right? And I still didn't get any just because I didn't have a barometer of how to get them. I didn't have loot.
00:47:05
Speaker
You know, the retros have started to come back and things like that. But I was also in theaters, so I'm hanging out with a bunch of white people. And I was in my I don't care about shoes phase. I just care about clapping these cheeks. You know, that's all I was caring about. And so, you know, it's a very interesting thing growing up in Chicago, growing up with Michael Jordan.
00:47:26
Speaker
Um, and when you think of Michael Jordan, the Jordan brand and the Jordan shoe was not in the top three of things that you thought about with the name Jordan, at least for me growing up in Chicago. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's so poignant and, uh, true. Um, like it truly, and
00:47:54
Speaker
Like, it's so funny you say that because I was just thinking about this the other day and this is definitely, it's definitely something I wanted to bring on your episode because I know you and I know how you about to react to this, but there's like so much
00:48:15
Speaker
history in the sneaker game and fighting and danger that went into it and everything to, uh, worry about that. It does, you know, make me feel some type of way when you, when you do see these, like these white trendy kids trying to rock them and then trying to like be on people's heads about if they real or if they fake homes, like you didn't know. Yeah.
00:48:41
Speaker
In certain places you grew up, it didn't matter if it was real or fake, because if you pointed at the wrong person's shoe talking about it was fake, you were gonna have a bad time, bro. You were gonna get lumped up. You were gonna get faded. Man, I wish, boy, I just see, this is fucking white kids. Let me tell you something, man. Let me tell you something. I had my Seattle Mariners hat stolen from me by a nigga who was in my class and would wear that shit to school every day.
00:49:12
Speaker
And you can't do nothing about it. And the only way I got that bitch back is we played basketball one day. This was months later. And he wore my hat to play basketball. And I concocted the plan. I was like, oh, I'm going to leave the gym a little bit earlier. I was like, all right, I'm out of here, y'all. He was still playing. He wasn't looking. I swiped my hat back. And he didn't even want it back. He was like, you know what? I respect you, Jackie's. Way to get your hat back.
00:49:37
Speaker
I know my old motherfucking hat back. That would be so annoying about bullies in the hood. They'd be acting like they teaching you a lesson. Like, you ain't teach me a lesson, bro. You ain't teaching me shit. You took my hat and then invited me to sit at the lunch table with you while you had that bitch on. Get the fuck out of my way. Oh my gosh. Yes. So yeah, man, I hate it in every aspect. Not to get away from sneaker culture, but the thing that I can equate it to now is Kanye West.
00:50:05
Speaker
Like, I don't need to have no white kid tell me about Kanye West, nigga. I was there when Kanye was making beats after he almost got folded up in a car. Like, you know, so I need no white kid telling me about Jordans and are they real? Are they fake? And, you know,
00:50:23
Speaker
the idea of this 15 year old kid in Minnesota when these shoes dropped, buying a whole bunch of them just to flip them and make some fucking money and shit. And it's like an accepted thing. Fuck you. Yeah. I hate it. I hate it so much. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's the thing. And I think that's what, what gets me so caught up because there are some people
00:50:44
Speaker
Some people who are doing the flip thing, flipping, the PS5s and all that, then I'm like, yeah, y'all was going to do this either way. And I'm not going to tell you I have a problem with it because you probably A, got that thing on, or B, got nothing to lose, and you're just going to try and wild out on me. But then when I see these corny, skinny,
00:51:08
Speaker
Crouch, chasey ass, posting their whole, you know, stock and being like, yeah, yeah, you know, uh, uh, the games, right? I'm like, no, you ain't really in the game because if you, if you really, if you really out there, go ahead, meet in person, meet in person for these, for these cells and you'll see, you'll see.
00:51:27
Speaker
Yeah, because because because it's like there that that is a world you write I mean that's everyone who's like that's just the games like that is a world But ain't y'all ain't doing the same thing. That ain't no Bro, the world me and you started in
00:51:42
Speaker
to get these, was standing our ass in line. And this is, and I want to say something to the motherfuckers who are out here saying, well, we stand in line too, we stand in line as Supreme, we stand in line or not. Nah, nigga, we were standing in line at Walmart to get these motherfucking shoes.
00:51:59
Speaker
But also like, like, here's the thing is like, I do say that. Well, where it's like, if you physically standing in line and you flip and that's cool. I'm talking about you using them bots, you using your mom's credit card so that you can go through, uh, you could backdoor all of Nike because she works for Nike. Yeah. Your dad is Michael Jordan and you backdoor in the resellers. That's it.
00:52:23
Speaker
I feel like every other episode I do this exact same rant. But you know what? It's valid. It's valid as hell. Again, I will say this again. I have taken five straight L's.
00:52:40
Speaker
Five straight. I'm salty, man. I'm salty as shit. I'm so salty. Yes. So I guess, is there anything in the future that's caught your eye or have you scoped anything out or are you just kind of taking it as it comes?
00:52:55
Speaker
Yo, bro, so here's the thing, man. I do like to take it as it comes, man. I got some, like, for instance, I just bought a pair of Jordan 13s, the electric reds, the all white joints with the red accents. And man, they're so dope. And I took an L on that too. I took an L on the internet with that. And then just happened to go to the Nike store at the Americana.
00:53:21
Speaker
and walk in. I might need Haas to delete that, because that is my, that is the biggest secret. I don't know, I think I might have talked, no, no, I'll let the culture know. That is the biggest plug, because see, here's the thing, is no one goes there because they don't get drops, they never get drops, but every now and then they will get a random drop, and you'll go there, and you'll just be like, oh shit, this is here? And you straight. Yeah, and I wasn't there for that.
00:53:50
Speaker
I went, my grandma was in town. We were at the Americana. We were just there to like shop. I was like, oh, let me just go in a Nike store real quick. Just see some shoes. I was, I was going probably buy just some walking around shoes and I see the motherfuckers just on the goddamn. And I was like, yo.
00:54:05
Speaker
You got these? And he was like, let me check your size. We got one more. That is always, that is always, it's always just one more. And you're like, damn. Yeah. Like this is the life we live in. This is the life we live in. So, you know, look, I, I, so I, I'm taking them as I'm coming, but
00:54:26
Speaker
The thing I really, really, really want a pair of Travis Scott's, which, you know, and I know and I and I can only get them if I if I get a W, I'm not going to buy them motherfuckers on the resale too much.
00:54:41
Speaker
I mean, here's what I'll say, is I was at cool kicks, because I wanted the fours real bad. I loved them a lot. Could not find them for a price I was willing to play, which is like the two, 300 range, I'll go. And I just so happened,
00:55:05
Speaker
to be sitting to be at cool kicks. And they had some, I'm a, I'm a size 13, 12 and a half true to size. Some shoes though, some shoes. Well, let me get away with a 12. And there was a pair of 12 of the Jordan Scott. Oh, I mean of the, of the Travis Scott fours. And they were only like, I think they were like 300, three or 400. That's all they wanted.
00:55:32
Speaker
And I got it. Because that's up in my limit. I don't try and go above five. I try and stay under five. Because one time I went over five and took the stupidest L. I talked about it on the pod before, but I tried to buy the off-white fives early because the fives are my favorite silhouette. And I was just looking at the history of the off-white fives. They were up to like,
00:56:00
Speaker
G so I was like, well, let me just pay the 700 before it goes to the G and then like maybe I'll flip it if I win slept through the release so I had to pay that 700 but then the joints dropped to 500 so I'm like damn Yeah, they dropped quick. I was hurt. I was like damn I played myself. So now I don't I just take the risk anytime I take I don't do the early I just take the risk. I'm like you take whatever I
00:56:27
Speaker
I'm gonna get there eventually. I think right now my max is like 300. But I am starting to get into the realm of more low tops now. Cause for a while I was getting a lot of high tops. Like my favorite pair I got was, I got some of the Jordan fives. That is also one of my favorite silhouettes. That's my favorite. One of my favorite Jordans. And I got those Fresh Prince joints. Other fives, which are so fucking nice. So nice.
00:56:54
Speaker
but I got a lot of high tops. So I'm starting to get into, I'm starting to get into a couple more dunks and I made some custom force ones, which I'm actually really liking the custom, doing the custom shits.
00:57:06
Speaker
And I might even, your boy was even looking at some new balances. I was like, oh, should I pull these? These look nice. So I think in the next few shoes I'm gonna get, I'm in my low top phase right now. So we'll see what's up with that. But that's what I got my eyes on is some low tops. I really want some Travis Scott's, but I'm trying to get some of these Jordan lows. I'm trying to get some dunks. Might grab some new balances. Just see what's up. See what's up.
00:57:36
Speaker
Well, shoot, um, you know, that's, that's, that's the heat right there. I guess, uh, you know, can I ask you something? Of course. All right. So what is, what's the one, if there is a shoe that you like, Jackie's you in it.
00:57:58
Speaker
You want to get a little bit more risky what you're wearing. You want to fuck around a little bit. Is there a shoe that you would say that's out right now or coming out that you would tell me, go couple? Because me and you both do keto. So we always trade keto tips back and forth, right? So do you have a shoe tip? What's the sneaker kit? What's the sneaker? Yeah. What's the sneaker drop that you like, Jackie's? Get these fucking shoes. Get these shoes.
00:58:26
Speaker
Oh, man, that's that's a that's a good question. I mean, if I'm just looking at it, I would have said the ones today I took a nail on that was that red acid wash. I feel like that is a nice one. That's that's just going to look good on everybody's like feet. I think, OK, it pops in a in a dope way. So that that would be one that I'd have you like definitely go out and get.
00:58:51
Speaker
man 55 on, on, on stock. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. The highs. Yeah. Okay. But I will look at some lows if they have them. Uh, the, I mean the fragments, the guys look
00:59:05
Speaker
wild, but I'm dying, I'm dying for him. Oh, and then definitely I'm a cop, even though me and Haas has talked about this, but that new human race shoe that's coming out for Adidas that definitely look like Yeezys, that's all me too.
00:59:23
Speaker
If you took an L on the acid wash, though, just know that August 28th, they're going to have a black acid wash. So it's going to be black and white with like kind of like muted yellow notes. So that that's going to be heat for you to go back at it. And of course, the Jordan four lightning, that yellow is so fucking sick. Oh, it's sick. That's a that's a that's a easy cop.
00:59:47
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Man, I was looking at those, man. They look nice, man. They look nice. They look super nice. Yeah. I'm also probably going to get these. I'm going to try to get these Jordan lows, these orange, these orange joints, these starfish, the starfish. Yeah.
01:00:04
Speaker
But yeah, that would be my pick for you. I'm going to get on that. I'm going to get on that solely because you recommended it. Oh, well, thank you. Well, to close this thing out, I'm going to ask you what we ask all our guests at the end of it, which is, what does the thrill of the hunt mean to you?
01:00:27
Speaker
It means putting it into your calendar to set your alarm the next day to wake up in time to either go where you need to go or jump on your phone and try to catch these Ws. It also means grabbing them, being excited, telling people who don't give a shit about shoes that you got them.
01:00:54
Speaker
And they're waiting for them joints to come. And even if people don't give a shit, you just walk different. You just walk different. Oh, yeah. You know, it's the thrill of walking different than the new pair of kicks that you know are sick because, you know, me and you are in white spaces. So, you know, a lot of white people don't care about shoes, but the ones who do and the people who do
01:01:15
Speaker
It's always nice. And I always wait for that first compliment on the shoes. Like, yo, nice shoes, bro. That's when the thrill is complete. When I get that first compliment, the thrill is complete. The hunt is complete. It was all worth it. And I know I made the right choice. That's what it means to me. That is what's up. I mean, yeah, love that answer.
01:01:37
Speaker
Well, you know, thank thank you for coming on. You know, thank you. This was a great talk. And as we me and Haas usually say at the end of all the episodes, wear your kicks. We'll see you all next week.