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Am I The Sneakerhead with K.O
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This week we are doing a kick talk, K.O joins me as we talk about how we build community. i go over how the Soled Out Comedy Show at Extra Butter went. K.O talks about Kickchella and what to look out for in the future. We touch on some recent Twitter conversations that has been happening on the timeline. We also touch on how resellers perceive our community and sneaker culture. Also we read some AITA and respond to them! Fun episode this week, if you've read this comment on the instagram on twitter post.
Where to find K.O:
Socials:
https://www.instagram.com/kofromatatf/
https://x.com/kofromatatf
ATATF: https://linktr.ee/Atatf
Podcast Linktree: https://linktr.ee/myfirstkicks
Intro Music by The DoppleGangaz: https://thedoppelgangaz.bandcamp.com/
utro Music by Gordon Bombay: https://thegordonbombay.bandcamp.com/
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Transcript
Welcome and Recent Interviews
00:00:15
Speaker
What's good, everybody? Welcome back to my first kicks. This is another kick talk. You know, I've been doing a lot of interviews recently. I had J-tips on, J-tips dropped the Sakanis, and I haven't had KO on in a minute. So let's bring, let's welcome back KO. What's good, KO? What's the work, man? What's the work?
00:00:34
Speaker
Yo, man. ah The word is outside. I've been outside. That's always good to hear, man. It's always good to hear. Yeah. I mean, last time you came on,
Productive Social Interactions
00:00:44
Speaker
but that's what we talked about. You said that was like the last thing you said. He was like, go outside. As you, and bruh, the thing about being outside, imagine there's layers to being outside. Like some people think of outside as being outside, not doing anything, being a ratchet or whatever. So having and just,
00:01:01
Speaker
being unproductive, then there's a productive outside, like being intentional with why you're outside, being intentional to the places you go to, being intentional to the places of people, things that align with, you know, the feel you in, and that's the outside I talk about, you know what I'm saying? Like rough shoulders, man, build community, you know what I mean?
00:01:23
Speaker
Because the internet ain't real. The internet not real, bro. That's what I always say, man. I think that if you can, it's like the start of a conversation. Online is the start of a conversation. Once you bring it into real life, then you know that the conversation is real. and that's ah That's how I perceive it in my head.
Kickchella: A Community Event
00:01:41
Speaker
So, yeah. yeah real Real people, man. Real people, real things. No, yeah. I mean, yo, we were just recently in a space a while back and it was like,
00:01:50
Speaker
Was it like three weeks ago or four weeks ago, something like that? It could have been a little bit longer than that. All I know is I was on a city bike and people were arguing and I was just listening.
00:02:02
Speaker
speak ah that what yeah catch me well all yellow you not not that you were You were there, you were talking about, this is what you spoke about, um because everybody, this is a tune tune put together together, shout out to tune, Grammy tune, follow Grammy tune. one night come up my yeah oh so And um we were talking about, you start bringing back, what's the the like the convention that you you did?
00:02:29
Speaker
Kickchella. Yeah, Kickchella. And um so I'm not i'm actually not very familiar, but I wanted to know more about Kickchella because I want to pull up the next time you do one. Yeah, nah, man, bro. We just, you know, I did Kickchella from a standpoint of everything I do and the way I utilize earlier was intentional, man. Everything I do is intentional. You know, from the IRL events to whatever, you know, linking up with whatever brand or whatever, so having is intentional. So.
00:02:57
Speaker
There was, I mean, I would say a point in time. There still is a point
Atlanta's Sneaker Culture Status
00:03:03
Speaker
in time. Like there's a time where like, like, mind you, like we consider Atlanta a major city, right? And we've been fighting for, you know, to be respected as this major city for quite some time. And, you know, I've been to conventions in Atlanta, out of Atlanta, other major cities, smaller cities, and like there was, I feel like there was a disconnect. But I took it as disconnect. I also took it as disrespect to where it's like,
00:03:29
Speaker
Man, how you have the entities coming here throwing these quote unquote conventions, and they look nothing like the ones they did do that they do in other cities. And it's like, is this it like are y'all purposely doing this? And then also in the same like minds, it's like, y'all don't even come and tap in with the community for real. like It's like a money grab. So I just started looking at at it from that perspective. and margie like
00:03:58
Speaker
it's It's not even like out of spite to do it. it's You can sit here and complain, or you can do something about it. And I'm a do something about it that's gotten like straight up.
Kickchella's Cultural Impact
00:04:08
Speaker
I'm not about to sit here and yell, argue, go back and forth, talk in circles, be back in the same spot a year later, complaining about the same thing. I'm like, player, we'll just do it. And um so that's what I did, man. With Kichela, I built out, we did this 30-foot long 15-foot high middle hero piece in the middle is this big blue box. So it's sort of as a photo element. You can walk through it, do all that. So we had that there. I had some of the little baby's cars posted in the front. Well, they don't mind me. Gee, man. And like I said, we about to do another one there. And people been asking, like, when you doing another kick cello? When you doing another kick cello? And the goal for me was never to do one every month, like how you got your other standard conventions. Our goal was to pop, make that moment.
00:04:56
Speaker
disappear. Hey, here go another moment. You know what I'm saying? Like that's, that's our intention with that. So not like a destination. That's the thing. There's no, there's no ceiling on it. Like it's mobile. You know what I mean? Like it's mobile.
Cultural Events and Internet Influence
00:05:10
Speaker
Even from a standpoint of the branding, you know what I'm saying? Like it's going to rotate up every time. That's the thing. It's like,
00:05:16
Speaker
What's the world? Because the world moves so much, I don't ever want to box that into a sneaker box, a sneaker box, a theme or none of that. I want it to be as volatile and mobile as culture. So if, and this is me jokingly saying it, if I'm doing it in November, I'm going, I'm flipping the politician look on it. You know what I'm saying? Just so it fits the theme of that time. And I feel like that's also what can also help with how fast the world moves. It ain't that the world's moving fast right now. Man, we got access to the internet, so everything feels fast. And we aren't getting
Twitter Debates and Humor
00:05:54
Speaker
marquee moments anymore to where it is when it when it's about events. That's why I got to kind of like
00:05:59
Speaker
applied complex come from what they're about to do in November. I'm going down. I don't know if you're going down. I mean, it's looking sketchy right now. I got to see if they're going to let me come down, but we'll see. Okay. Yeah. And I think like there, if, cause I'm also people that they're bringing print back. So I was like, Oh no, y'all bringing it back. Like y'all bringing it back to what this shit was about. Like the love for culture, the actual community aspect, leaving with tangible things that aren't just based upon, hey, this goes for $1,000. Let me get it. And, you know, get over on this person that don't come out the house, but he got disposable income to purchase. Like, you know what I mean? Like, there's there's a big disconnect. And it was crazy. I'm talking about this as I actually had a call earlier today with someone from complex. We were talking about something else. But it's just I just think like we have to and we're going to be the people that serve as, quote unquote,
00:06:52
Speaker
Voices, I think everybody's a voice. I feel like for any speakers at all, you're a voice. If you got access to a platform, Twitter is free, even though I feel like they should charge for it. Even though I feel like every conversation on Twitter should come with a capture that people should solve before you even be able to jump into it. You think Elon's going to do that? Elon's not going to do that. He needs to. I'm just going to give the book. There's so many arguments that I just sit back and just see.
00:07:20
Speaker
90% of the people
Community Building Strategies
00:07:21
Speaker
replying to this, they don't even know how this world even works. But it's good to laugh at, you know what I'm saying? you know Also, it's like, okay, well, up there if they're congregating and becoming friends off of this misinformation pool, that's 10 people that don't know what the fuck they're talking about that are cool with each other now. Then you made some community cool, whatever. But nah, man, I say all that to say this, man, I just think, you know, like and You know, Kekchela was pretty much, you know, done for the city, actually bought someone from the city. And I remind you, Kekchela isn't the only secret convention that exists, you know what I'm saying, in Atlanta that's bought someone from Atlanta, but I feel in regards to like, awesome communities, you're like, we are that, you know what I'm saying? Like I said, the way that we'll continue building that out, even though we only did one, but that's on purpose on what why we only did one, what we continue to grow from here is like, people understand it as it continues to build out.
00:08:11
Speaker
When was the next one? Live pod. We do a live pod on it. Next year, next year, next year. go the goal The goal is next year, man. like The goal is goal is next year, for sure, 1,000%. That would be sick, man. I mean, just hearing about it in those spaces I was very hyped about. I was just like, yo, if there's any way I can be part of it, I would love to be part of it. you know Yeah, man. Make that come down. That's another thing, too. Like you said, a live pod is like.
00:08:33
Speaker
Like i I want it to be, you know, I want to, I want to get into the space of live conversation. nothing Like that's unique, but also like we'll we'll
Live Podcasts and Audience Engagement
00:08:40
Speaker
have to do it in a way to where it doesn't come off like panelists. No, I mean, like, I will do it to it. Like, you know, it's dope. Like imagine having, you got X some amount of people watching, but how do you get X amount of people to also get a chance to say something on the, on the, on the microphone? saying Like that's my, that's what I'm into. Like, yeah, we could sit here and amplify these four people on this stage, but what about the 300 people that may be standing there that are taking the time away from them maneuver maneuvering around the venue. I also feel it's special as those people on the stage. And that's one thing about Atlanta, bro. In Atlanta, everybody a celebrity, but you got to treat it like that. like That's how you win in Atlanta, like knowing that.
00:09:16
Speaker
I mean, everybody's special here. Like, it's a special city for a reason and for that reason. For sure. I mean, look, I've never been to Atlanta, but I think that it's, I'm a big believer of the golden rule. You know, you treat people how you want to be treated. So I think that, I mean, a lot more people need to realize that and do that more. But in general, I think that if you just shine a spotlight on somebody in a conversation, then they will also shine that spotlight back on you. And we could probably, I mean, this is probably just a workshop thing that we need to workshop.
00:09:46
Speaker
Before we do it, we're not going to do it on the part right now. We'll figure it out, definitely. We'll figure it out. And I think I got some ideas already. um the out ah So I mean, I know you saw, I think you reposted it, or maybe you liked it. But I recently did a comedy show, i hosted a comedy show. Yeah, I saw that. I saw that. I wanted to talk about it a little bit because you know the I'm pretty sure you're, you've put on community events. And especially like the early days when you were trying to try it out. I wanted to know like your perspective about doing this because like, this is the first time I ever did something like this. I did the first live pod last year. And this is the first time I ever did like something where I put my name to help somebody else out. Right.
00:10:32
Speaker
Um, so I'm like, I'm like, I hit up my boy. My boy has been on the podcast a bunch of times, but he does a comedy show called sold out and sold out is a sneaker based comedy show. It's just a lot like we're all real fresh kicks. Everybody's fresh in the crowd. Like, you know, it's all
Leveraging Community Networks
00:10:48
Speaker
themed and everything. So I was just like, you know, it'd be cool if we do this at a sneaker store and then we get the community pull up.
00:10:55
Speaker
week, the week it happens, bro, everything's going wrong. I'm work because I do a nine to five and that that job is just is straight killing me every single day, right? And so as that's happening, I'm getting I'm getting shirts done, the shirts come out messed up.
00:11:15
Speaker
Right. And then I get to the to the show, whatever. And at this point, I'm just kind of just like, and we already have we've been trying to put comedians for the past two weeks, which you know, we're trying to get everything try to try to promote it as fast as possible.
00:11:29
Speaker
It's just going bad, right? So you pull up, we get the DJ spinning, nobody's coming in. And so I'm telling my boy, I'm like, yo, you do not put two times on the flyer. If you do, they're going to come to the second time, right? You just want to put one time? Yeah, and that's it. yeah And that's it, right?
00:11:48
Speaker
He didn't want to listen to me. He put both times on there. I was like, all right, fine. I already knew people was not pulling up, right? And then 8 o'clock comes, and he's like stressing out. He's like, yeah, I don't know if people's coming. vo blah And I'm just like, people are going to come. I just told you not to put two times on it, right? Yeah. you know i don't i could I don't know if that's happened to you before, where it's like you think people are not coming, and all of a sudden it's just,
00:12:12
Speaker
it's ah It's a bunch of people who just show up and you're just like, all right, cool. like that I think we all get those butterflies. Anytime you're involved in any other type of moment, you always get those butterflies. You know what I'm saying? It's that adrenaline. It's that anxiety. You know what I'm saying? like yeah but I'm never putting two times on a flyer, though. exactly yeah I tell them next time, I'm like, yo, just just do one time. Just go seven to 10. That's it. That's all you need to put. oh So like I get on stage, and it's the first time I've ever hosted like a comedy show. like i We could talk. you know I could just talk. right It's fine. But like to be like, all right, and now your next comedian. And I was like, the first time
00:12:50
Speaker
Like, I haven't felt that nervous since my live pod. And so I'm over here, like, trying to figure out how to be, like, because usually comedians host, you got to have a little bit of jokes here and there. Yeah, you got to slide something in. Yeah, you got to slide something in before you get it. So I'm like, ah you know, I'm trying to be a little bit funny, and then I'm not getting much. So I'm just like, all right, you're next comedian, bro.
00:13:14
Speaker
You know, the whole night because I was just like, I kind of surrendered myself to Murphy's Law. I was just like, everything's going wrong. It's fine. This is going to go wrong. It's going to go wrong. But it actually ended up becoming pretty chill. People liked it at the end. um But what's your
Balancing Hobbies and Responsibilities
00:13:29
Speaker
advice for for people? Because I do want to do more of that. i want to I want to put my name and bring my community, the people that listen to, shout out to all the listeners, that pull up and that pulled up to that comedy show like to bring more eyes on the adjacent stuff that I considered part of your community, but don't don't really don't really consider it part of it. So yeah. Yeah. yeah so So you're asking how does what's the what's the legit question again? What's your advice for people who are who who somebody who wants to do something like that? Because you you dabble in a lot of that community building. Yeah, that's the thing. It's it's community building. That's how that's the advice. The advice is
00:14:11
Speaker
Lean and if you are of the community, lean into community when it's time to activate. You know what I'm saying? Like one person can't do everything. Like you just can't. And also there are, it's cliche to say, but two heads is always better than one. You know what I mean? So like if it's sneaker base, like who are the people that are interested into sneakers? And also just the world we're in right now. I feel like everyone wants to attempt to do new things for the first time.
00:14:40
Speaker
Why not attack it as if like, yo, this is ours. How do we, you know what I'm saying? I think I changed the pronouns at the time. Like, yeah, everybody wants to get into, you know, throwing things, but like throw things for each other. You know what I mean? Like, I think that's going to always help in the long run. You know what I'm saying? Like, why not utilize, you know, the contacts in your phone?
00:15:09
Speaker
Like I think that's gonna be your cheat code. So that's my my advice is if you're doing an event, look at it like church. You know, like what's the like what's what's going on? Like how do you get people into the church? Like you if you guys all have a like-mindedness for something. So if it's sneakers, I'm tapping in with all my homies that send the sneakers. Not not only hitting them when it's time to invite them out, I'm hitting them and walking them through my entire process of figuring this out.
00:15:39
Speaker
Because you never know what someone is going to be like. you The thing is, close mouth don't get fed. And also, if this is your first time doing something, sometimes you don't even know what to ask. So if you don't know what to ask, why not just had a conversation with you know your homies or whatever it's a habit that are aligned with what you're attempting at. So if it's a comedy show, and I know homies that's in a comedy, and I'm throwing a comedy show, hey bro, today I did this, this, and this, and that.
00:16:08
Speaker
they might randomly spark something and say, oh yeah, did you think about this or that? You're not thinking about asking that question. Now your synergies, you're aligning, you know what I'm saying? I think that's the best way to go about doing things, man. You got to utilize the people that are around you because you got friends and associates that, of course, you know, I think everybody wants everybody to do well. But if you've got close people that you're aligned with, like I think Those are the people you should be sharing your ideas with, you know especially when it's time to execute. Don't hit that person and say, hey, man, if you're free on this day, come out. Man, make them people feel like they are part of it of your event just like as you should. That's how I go on everything. Like, hey, treat this, whatever we're working on, as if like this is ours.
00:16:57
Speaker
that's my That's my advice, bro. No, that's fine. I'm definitely the next thing I do. I don't know. So I don't know. I'm still debating. I posted it on on Instagram, like, should I do a live podcast for episode 200, right? And I'm still debating on the if shot, if I do it. You're in New York, too, right? Yeah, yeah. Man, I would, bro, like, this the thing, man, like,
Sneaker Culture and Community Building
00:17:20
Speaker
man, I would do a live podcast for every episode.
00:17:24
Speaker
If you got the bandwidth, bro, you got to think about it. I wish, man. I don't even have the space. I would need the space. Where were you shooting at? I mean, I've been seeing you, like, sit down. Yeah, but to do that, too. Why the fuck can't you invite me nowhere? We did it over a zoom. You got to pull up. I'm going to tell me. You didn't tell me to fly. You're like, hey, use this zoom link. I'm like, OK, all right, cool.
00:17:49
Speaker
If I message you, it's like, yo, pull up Friday. You go hop on a flight, and be like, oh, I can only pull up to four, and then I'm out. It better have a flight itinerary link, because I can flip, man. It's my flight, man. I know you up there getting all that money, man. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? I'm in the ATF group now. So I know what's going on. Hey, them kids be in there cooking, bro. I just got to wait. You know what I'm saying?
00:18:19
Speaker
umm hey I'm just here, I'm just here so I don't get fired bro. I mean, but there's still that one was that that one post that made me laugh you were like I forgot what shoe drop and you were like y'all got until Thursday.
00:18:34
Speaker
To give it nice. Yeah, to nice.
00:18:41
Speaker
Nah, just being there joking with your bed as much as possible. That's what I'm saying. now like And to be honest with you, I've kind of been like so busy on other stuff, man. I got we are i mean, the fun's in the group. But i used man we used to be like just joking in there every day. And you know of course, I was before just sneaker culture and community got infiltrated by people that don't really care about people and more so like dollars and cents. By the way, there's a tweet I saw today. I almost almost went up with it just like put a fire on the post. Uh huh. But I kind of fell back. um What's the what's the tweet? I'm a Texas. Oh, oh, you're gonna text it to me. Yeah. moment or we We live. We live. We live. I saw it. And um I was like, damn, it's tough. Because I mean, right now, as of this recording, I've been
00:19:32
Speaker
ah Going back with Kwan Wick on... ah Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that's the thing. I think it was up under something he had said. And this guy said this. I see um just texted to you. Okay. And that wasn't reply to like... ah Interesting. So this... That's wild, right? That's crazy.
00:19:55
Speaker
can i Can I read that and that? I don't care. It was on Twitter. I saw it. I was like, oh, yeah. So yeah, this is what I don't know what's going on. But ah Yamo from Kamahai, please. I've asked him to jump on the podcast.
00:20:08
Speaker
and It hasn't happened yet. I don't know if it will ever happen. Probably not after these sequences of tweets happen man y'all y'all be at a top man that's all my conversation bro like you know you'll see he feel I feel like he's always like one step in one step out like he's like he wants to be part of senior coach and then he sometimes he doesn't like it's like Yeah, I don't yeah i don't i don't know. and um I've heard of Common Hype, but I don't know. I'll stay out the way, bro. I don't i don't be nodding.
Diverse Voices in Sneaker Narratives
00:20:34
Speaker
Yeah, which is the best way. You probably should do it. yeah So yeah, this is... Let's see. the worst The worst take of the day goes to the problem of white people can't participate in any culture without greed the greed gene taking over for some and trying to absolutely dominate something that was intended for fellowship and making friends.
00:20:54
Speaker
them was The reply was, mass production of sneakers is not intended for flat fellowship or making friends. and That's crazy. That's so stupid, bro. Hey, when I read it, I was like, whoa.
00:21:09
Speaker
So, yeah yeah, so, um, Kwan Wick replied to what he was saying. Cause the, so if you're the listeners, there was a tweet by Yamo where he's putting up a video of him talking to his mentors named Johnson pause, but a he, he has a bunch of bread for us in his, close in his closet and they're having a conversation and.
00:21:33
Speaker
He, everybody's like, oh, why do you have so many bread fours? And then Kwang Wick jumped in and said, this was bad for, this is why it's bad for community and the sneaker community and sneaker culture. um Then they had a back and forth and that that led to him, Kwang,
00:21:52
Speaker
pushing him and being like or pressing him and being like, ah what what do you know about investing in in sneakers or money or the brands and stuff like that? And Kwang was like, I can explain everything to you. I can explain this to you, but I'm not going to. And I was just like, I mean, he doesn't have to. I think that the the idea that the that resellers are always trying to make money off of community. And then when it's time to kind of be like, oh, the prices the the the prices are down. Let's let's you know figure out a way to get it back up. It's always in ah and a push of like, let's push the community. let's make Let's make this like weird content to push people and be like against us. So that way, once our back is set a wall, we can get you know some payers off and stuff like that. i mean
00:22:42
Speaker
That's just my take. Yeah, man. Like I said, I just saw that lashes. Damn, that's kind of tough to say. That's kind of like, man, fuck what y'all talking about. Fuck that culture shit. Where the money at? That's how I read that tweet. i know yeah I didn't do the full deep dive in the back and forth. I just saw that tweet. And I saw the one that he replied to. And I was like, OK, yeah, I get the frustration in regard to why it's getting into that. But for him to say, man,
00:23:13
Speaker
to to to For him to reply to with mass production of sneakers is not intended for fellowship and making friends fam. That's like What culture yeah, here like what are y'all talking about this shit ain't what it's like, you know, ta yeah that shit felt weird to even read I read it like four or five times like whoa He means a type that he didn't delete it yet. But is this, I'm curious, is this, hold on, let
Sneaker Market Dynamics
00:23:39
Speaker
me look at it again. I want to see this guy's picture. Yeah, when you're scrolling at his pictures, like, okay, yeah, I know why you said that. Yeah. You know why he said that. I mean, it's funny because like, so I had, we were we were growing back and forth because
00:23:53
Speaker
I see it as like, there are people that look at sneakers as just a commodity, right? There's a moment, I feel like there's always a moment in, in sneakerheads life or whatever, a sneaker person in who's into sneakers, where it's like, oh, I can make money off of this, or I can just keep, you know, jumping more into it. And then that's like, ah it's a fork in the road. I feel like I feel like people confuse buy sell trade being part of sneaker culture as like, it's the main thing, right? Yeah, it's a portion of it. Yeah. And it's like, a so it's a small portion of it. It's like, it, because it's all off the basis of we're gonna, we're gonna buy sell trade to get to where we want, like, our collective, the way our election should want to look, you know? And so once people,
00:24:39
Speaker
here oh you can make money off of this it's always like oh i'm gonna take the pivot and just only make money off of this yeah and the one yeah trade is gone Yeah, because now it's about to just make the money and buy whatever. That's another thing too, like making an X amount of money on things, you can buy the most sought after things, you can buy your way into being cool, buy your way into really the culture itself. We think about it, but that's the thing, I think also,
Challenges in Modern Sneaker Culture
00:25:11
Speaker
I think we might need to just get into a space of... You're boxing them out now?
00:25:18
Speaker
I don't even, y'all don't wanna talk about that for real. Y'all don't really be wanting to talk about that. I'm always down, but I didn't say it from the jump. I was like, yeah. We don't gotta do that. it's the Look, it's that's over. You know, like, let's meet could we could be realists too. Like, that'll never exist. Like, that's beautiful. And we got bigger problems than we talk about when it comes to like, that type of unity. You know what I'm saying? Ain't got nothing to do with no damn shoes. We got real diligent problems. Yeah. So, my my what I was gonna say is, maybe it's time to like,
00:25:50
Speaker
there's like, then you have like, hip hop, right? You have like, trap, right? You got like, trap rock, you know what I'm saying? Like, I think it's time to maybe, we might have to subculture, yeah sneaker culture completely down. Like, we have to break it down into that, in order for everybody to be happy. Because we can't sit here and say reselling doesn't help sneaker culture. It does, you know what I'm saying? Like, we be we'd be shooting ourselves in the foot to say that, cause that'd be absolutely wrong. You know what I'm saying? Like, so we can't like just poorly be anti whatever that is. You know what I'm saying? Like we just can't. So that's why I say like maybe just breaking it down into sub cultures. Cause that tweet is like, that's not shit that you would, you should never type that out. You know what I mean? But the the genre, you should actually genre now, the genre of senior culture that he's in.
00:26:48
Speaker
yeah That's, that's it. You know what I mean? That's, that's their Jersey effect. That's the, that's the, that's, that's that, that field. You know what I mean? So it's like, you might be right over there to a bunch of people that don't care about the art of sneakers and it's more so about the art of making money. Yeah. That's two different things. You know what I'm saying? So like, I feel we need to have that conversation and also What does that look like? And also do it even make sense to have that conversation? Because I also get tired of talking about the same thing. For sure. And I mean, like, it's basically like, so I mean, I grew up collecting comic books. And that's like, I made this comparison before we jumped on here on Twitter, too. ah I think the only parallel that I see in sneaker culture now is that we're seeing the comic book effect, right? So
00:27:38
Speaker
people are overhyping stuff or like, oh my God, this it's the same thing. It'd be like, yo, this is the first appearance of Deadpool. And now it's going for bread, right? Yeah, yeah correct. oh So that terms of collecting of like, let's, you know, isolate, isolate it so that, you know, the collectors are the real collectors. And then you've got the people that with the boxes that have tons of boxes, they're not graded or nothing. They just want to go be able to go back and be like, yo, I'm going to go back and and read that whole run of Matt Fraction's Fantastic Four. That stuff is, I think that's where we're at now. And I think that's the trajectory it's been going on for a minute because of the resale shops. I mean, comic book shops, they've all they're they' never really sold like graded stuff. And now it's more prevalent. Correct, correct, correct. Now you're right. You're absolutely right. now i mean So with that being said,
00:28:30
Speaker
I just, man, like I just try to foresee where we're we headed. I mean, in regards to, um my i'm not I'm talking about as, not as a quote unquote wanting to be journalist, quote unquote wanting to
Handling Diverse Opinions
00:28:43
Speaker
be engagement farmer, like ultimately as a legit, like consumer fan of culture beyond just our age demographic, but also the younger age demographic. But as we sit back and think about all these, quote unquote, tales and and and and facts of release dates that are dropping for next year, we know it's about to happen. You know what I'm saying? Like, production is about to be probably close to nothing, which resets FOMO on said shoes again. What? I mean, we're we're seeing that right now with those 17s, the UNC 17s. Yeah, well, that's so that that's an that's a thing, too. Like, I also think, like, stores also aren't
00:29:29
Speaker
buying them. That's a $300 shoe. The store said I have to pay back. What they're getting, you feel me? So it's like, some of these stores are in ah and backed up in a corner to where it's like, do I need to allocate this back to ordering that or should I get more ASICS? You know what I'm saying? So like, yes there's a tempo and all that. Like how you said, like, I mean, really this morning, like with the Agassi drop, right? Like there's wave one, there'll be another wave with more of those pairs.
00:29:58
Speaker
come out, but my thing is also see consumers waking up, like, hold on, bro, went but the he like, like, y'all just dropped this. I'ma just cool out, fall back, chill out. But now as younger demographic, and that's why, like, that's another thing too, is after, like, we skip over the younger demographic so much, and I know people about to hate me for saying this, but, like,
00:30:24
Speaker
It's a lot of shit that'd be popular on a timeline i and that these kids don't even know or care about. Right, yeah. You know what I mean? Like, let's just keep it a thousand. So like, that's why it's like,
Inclusivity in Sneaker Discussions
00:30:35
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always try to like tap in with like every time I'm out in the store, or I'm outside and I see like, say friends, I might be at Wish, which is one of our biggest stores in Atlanta. And I see a kid come in maybe with his mom, man, I always try to have a conversation with the kid like, what's, what's some brands out wearing? What's some, what's some stuff you're out rocking?
00:30:51
Speaker
I always want to be on what they got going on. You know what I'm saying? We can sit here and talk about what the sneaker of the year is here and there and all that. But what are they talking about? Because we know what we talk about every day. You know what I'm saying? It's like, we can stand and put up an argument about opinion versus opinion because it's like, this is in our face. But when you get or you step outside of your shoes and you go you all twoth thirty you go to that bus stop and you see what shoes are hopping off that bus,
00:31:18
Speaker
That's another conversation that I feel like is being shaped, jaded, and put to the side that we don't appreciate. No, yeah, for sure. I've always been one where I'm paying attention. like i'm ah you can't come In New York, you cannot go to no kids over here. So ah can I I'm ahead of I'm sorry, I didn't mean to ask. night yeah like for sure but But I've always been trying to to see like, I was was popping like, you know, ah because one, it lets me know what the kids are looking forward to. And then at the same time, it's
00:31:56
Speaker
Like, I would like this podcast to have a wider range. I don't want it to just be people my age listening to me talk to me. It's just like, just that we bouncing back and forth. i want to have I want to have all walks of life on here. I want to have kids that ah are coming up in this. and And like, I mean, I had Zion on, and he was telling me about his first pair. And I'm just like, like guess i'm not I'm not the type of person to be like, those are your first pair, but it's like,
00:32:23
Speaker
The, it's, if you say like, Oh yeah, the 88 director, the reimagined threes are my first pair. If you say that to like, Oh, hey, they're going to be like, you serious? let Like, i think no like, listen, listen, that he wanted them like, yo, chill out. You know what I mean? So that.
00:32:42
Speaker
it's I don't know where we all learned that close-mindedness when it comes to so sneakers. I don't know if it's like... Well, it's not even that we learned it. You gotta think about it like, bruh rap just turned 50. So it ain't about learning nothing. It's all this shit is still new, relatively new. yeah When we're talking about culture, bruh, like sneaker culture ain't that old. So this is really the first turn cycle. But really this is second maybe.
00:33:12
Speaker
legit turn cycle, but this is the turn cycle that involves the internet now. Right. To where everything's, it ain't even, like, you got to think about it. Like, there was one point a time where shoes went for nothing down here. And we would try to get people coming from l LA, New York, Chicago, getting into our group, buying up shoes because that the market down here was different. That no longer exists no more because of the internet. Right. So this is our first time dealing with that.
00:33:40
Speaker
Yeah. So that's that's why I say it really ain't about us learning nothing. It's us not recognizing the growth and the shift of what's actually happening. so At some point in time, we had the reality has to set in and be like, you know what? We had our time. We out the way. But once again, this is also everybody's first time with living with the internet like this. We're all here for the first time, bro. Let's let's keep it a buck. No one smarter than the next person because none of
Engaging with Sneaker Critics
00:34:10
Speaker
us have ever been here where the world wide web controls any narrative, kill a release date, give you a release date, can give you a fake look,
00:34:23
Speaker
can give you a real fake look with a fake pair saying, this is what this look like, but it's a fake shoot. like We in a we a matrix, bro. And we're all here for the first time. yeah And everybody sits back and try to figure out why don't you why it is. So why it's like, yo, bro, they don't know. we None of us know. We just figuring this shit out, bro. like but like We're all figuring this out, bro. Yeah.
00:34:45
Speaker
I mean, you're right. You're 100% right. The idea that we all know everything or that everybody knows what's going to be the hot shoe. That's why I'm always like, man, if you ain't outside, shut up.
00:34:57
Speaker
yeah Because that's the only truth we have, bro, is being outside, being with a person that isn't in the world that we're in. You get to go, you only get the truth by going to somebody else's world and saying what they think about what you think about, and vice versa. Same for them. Because they can sit there and say, sneakers are wack, but it's like, nah, sneakers are hot over here.
00:35:21
Speaker
So there that that's where you get to the truth. And it's like, oh, the this is why. But you sit on the internet all day talking like, this is this, and this is that, this is that, and this is it. Somebody said, John Geiger, she was the sneaker. do I said, Bryce Niggas ain't Atlanta. They don't even know who he is. The shoe looks phenomenal, but I'm like, don't know who he is. like So why why are you doing this right now?
00:35:44
Speaker
Let's keep it a buck. First of all, I hate sneaker of the year conversations. I love them. I love them. I can't. But this is why I love them. I love them because my logic is always going to be, are you outside? If you're not outside, stop talking to me. If you sit on the internet every day and argue about sneakers and you don't go outside, I don't want to hear what sneaker of the year is. I don't.
00:36:06
Speaker
Like, when I called the Panda Dump, man, I got so much, I was the only one saying the Panda Dump was me. People were so mad, I'm like, yo fam, like, I can go shoot for shoe with you too. So like, don't get it twisted. Like, I'm that guy that like, I do sneakers for real, but I also know how to step outside my shoe and understand like, hey, hey fam, this is the sneaker of the year in our world. And I can get, ah I can close my laptop and still see the shoe. Yeah.
00:36:35
Speaker
It's true. out about I mean, it was you gave a you gave a a valid response. And but I also think it's just like, think of the years list is it's not about that. It's not that it's like it's always been about like, this is what I personally think about this shoe, you know, so we're not doing that. No, we're not doing that. i All here. I'm saying it right now. Fuck all that personal opinions in here. No, let's stop doing that. Y'all be doing that just to talk. It's like talking in circles. we if It's all about opinions. Why are we talking there? Yeah.
00:37:05
Speaker
We might as well just pass around a Google Doc drive and just let it by just typing that stuff and just so people can have a word. You know what I'm saying? Like, no, we got to stop doing that. And also, from here on out, if we're going to do sneaker to ear conversation, so we are arguing, start breaking it down. Just like when you go to the Grammys, there's a rap album of the year, the performance that we need to start breaking it down like that. If you want to get to the real answers, then then we can actually start seeing the facts. Because right now, the elitism and sneaker to ear conversation, that's why this shit works.
00:37:35
Speaker
It's because, oh, this person is didn like, nobody cares. But but you, Mr. AE1, is not sneaker to you? Yeah. I call it a sneaker to here. OK. And i and i say I say that in general because beyond sneaker culture, through the lens of the viewership, and this is why I'm going to fuck everybody up, of the NBA. True.
00:38:03
Speaker
where ah What other space can you get? Turn on TV and it's 100 million other people watching the same game rooting for the same player.
00:38:16
Speaker
I can't, I can't even, I mean- You can't, you can't, bruh. Like we can sit here and talk, and that's nothing to like- Because even baseball don't even got that, soccer don't even got that. They don't, they don't. And we're talking about this guy that went from national, playing the Olympics,
00:38:32
Speaker
It's transcending a city that no one, ah i don't no shade, but I don't care to go to Minnesota. We're paying attention to Minnesota. So that's my thing. It's like, if we're going to talk to anything of the year, it's are we capable of stepping outside of our own shoes and talking about it? Because if we can't do that, I don't want to talk to you about it. It's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that's what we have to start before we engage in arguments with each other. that's like Here we go to caption. Hey, let's solve this caption. How many miles do you put on your vehicle? Take a picture of your dashboard. Do you own a bike? Do you ride around? Show me how, let me show you the screen time on your phone. You know what I'm saying? Because if it's over, this is like, yeah, you too. You too. You too. You too. You too. Because we can't, that's the thing is that we got to be respectful. In my job, I say this to like, you know, the guys in the complex too is like, yo fam, like,
00:39:31
Speaker
If it's going to be a sneaker to your conversation for New York, say it's for New York. And I respect it because now but I can't argue with you, but I can't. If we're talking about respectable brands, alignments, media publications in it, and they're, they're glorified. Like you call me the anti got in and towards like, now that don't make sense.
00:39:54
Speaker
But I'm gonna say, why don't make sense? It don't make sense to run it out my hand and let people argue, you know, bro,
Ethics in Sneaker Transactions
00:40:01
Speaker
this is, you know what I mean? Like, this is, this is why, you know what I'm saying? And also the end conversation, like from a marketing perspective, show me a sneaker that's had that effect when it comes to dropping commercials. You can't show me that. Nah, there's none. I mean, even with the alma mater stuff, it's like,
00:40:16
Speaker
Man, I don't wear a shit trash. Get that shit all up out of here. I'm not going for none of that. I'm tired of black trauma being sold to me. I'm off all that, bro. And this is K.O. speaking for the 3,000 time, man. All that. Get that shit out of here, bro. Yeah, we had that little back and forth, bro. It was slight. I'm cool, man. I'm cool on that. like let's get off Let's get off the goofy shit. let's get
00:40:40
Speaker
Cool. If that's going to be your color palette, yeah, cool. But like, come on, let me cook. Cook up, man. Cook up. We know y'all can cook over there. Go cook up. Cook up some new dope. For sure, for sure. All right. So but because I know you're short on time, but I wanted to get into it. I'm good. Let's go. OK. Yeah. I bet. So but listen, I wanted to do this on this podcast for a minute. So I wanted to read you some am I the assholes, but sneaker additions. And I wanted to hear your takes. We talk about it after this first one. It's from two years ago. It's from user GiveMeMore6969AO. What?
00:41:19
Speaker
It goes, am I the asshole because I won't stop buying sneakers. Ever since I was young, I love sneakers. I always owned multiple pairs. I never spent a lot of money on sneakers though, because I never had a lot of money. I never had a lot of spending money and was mainly saving for the future. My fiance and I have been together for four years. During the first three years, I never really bought many shoes because of my job. And it had been, and I and i had,
00:41:48
Speaker
Oh, it had me living essentially paycheck to paycheck. I was always able to pay for my portion of the bills and rent. Over the course of the last year, I have gotten a much higher paying job and was actually able to save more and more. I decided that after saving about 20K, it was time to allow myself to buy more some more some of the sneakers I always wanted. Since the start of the new year, I bought about 25 pairs of sneakers with the most expensive pair being just under $200. But that was just for a shoe that I wanted for many, many years.
00:42:22
Speaker
And they are rare to find as good a condition as they are they were. My fiance wants me to stop buying shoes and focus more on us, but I have the ability to do both. She also claims that storage is a problem. I do not see it that way as we have separate closets. And part of mine is shoe storage unit ah is a storage unit. She gets mad at me whenever another pair shows up in the mail room. And if I ever say I am going to the mall, which is down the street,
00:42:51
Speaker
She makes sure to point out that I shouldn't go into sneaker stores. I want to continue to build on my collection while also saving, but it just seems to piss her off. I wanted to come here to get an unbiased opinions. So am I the asshole?
00:43:08
Speaker
Not that side. So his wife is upset that he's able to enjoy his hobby. ah huh And she doesn't have a good enough hobby that allows her to not pay attention to his. That's what it sounds like. That's definitely what it sounds like. So the fact that she's like, I want you to focus more on us. I'm like, no, this is the thing. This is the thing like,
00:43:39
Speaker
The layer to that is if it was a situation where he's going crazy on sneakers, not doing a typical date night stuff, copter stuff for the shorty. But if he said he's capable of doing both and he is actively doing both and she's still asking for more, it might be time to have that conversation. Like, hey, look, this is my hobby. If you don't love me for me and my hobby, you got to figure it out because you telling someone to change ultimately their DNA.
00:44:08
Speaker
Yeah. Right. Like, cause I think he did though. He did. He paused, he paused for how long? Uh, been together for four years for the first, during the first three years, he didn't buy sneakers. Yeah, man. But I mean, you have to do that. If you didn't pay check the paycheck, it's like you're forced to do that. Can't afford it. But now you've made money to where you're able to afford it. And also the thing is like, he's, he's able to afford, you know, the habit of spending money on sneakers and he's saving.
00:44:38
Speaker
And still taking care of Shorty like she better figure it out because I'm pretty sure there's another chick that will.
00:44:45
Speaker
fine i Let me read a couple comments here. Let's go. First one it says, well, oh, well, first of all, let's see if the determination they said.
00:44:57
Speaker
ah I think they, let's see, OP has offered the following explanation for why they think they might be the asshole. Whether I should stop buying sneakers. I may be the asshole as I could use the money for stuff for the two of us rather than myself.
00:45:14
Speaker
that's that's what he's saying and i'm trying to see if the did they determine if he oh no he's not the a-hole he's not the asshole but the first comment is i think nah i would also be concerned if my partner bought 25 sneakers in less than a year i'd be concerned that they that they don't have our long-term financial well-being in mind, that they are putting money into something that isn't a good investment and that that that the hobby might keep inflating. What happens when you run out of space in your closet? That being said, it's your money, your hobby. People spend money on crazier things. I think maybe the issue is your fiance needs reassurance that this hobby is going to limit your futures together and financially.
00:46:01
Speaker
Just telling her it'll be fine isn't going to help. She needs the evidence of that. Perhaps you guys could come up with a joint bank account arrangement. What? It ain't it ain't even that deep. It's not that deep, bro. It's not i like I heard a hypothetical. No, man, it's he has to have a conversation with her in regards to my thing is, if he's saying I'm saving, but also enjoying a hobby, that should there should not be a problem. Mind you, that's if that is the case.
00:46:29
Speaker
It shouldn't be a problem at all. but That's insane. I agree. I agree. Leslie, this other comment says, leave the sneakers aside. You and your fiance need to agree on your financial goals together. And how much is a reasonable amount for you each to save from your checks? What you're trying to get financially and your respective amounts of fund money. Then you meet your cost and your goal your savings goals. And what you do with your fund money is you your business. she has no call She has no call to complain unless you're never have any money left to do fun stuff together but you should budget for that in the above discussion. You're not the asshole for wanting to collect something you love but I obviously see where why she finds your sudden sneaker spending spree unnerving when she is planning a future with you. She is understandably worried that you are going to be financially
Friendship vs Profit in Sneaker Culture
00:47:19
Speaker
irresponsible so don't let it be
00:47:20
Speaker
an argument about can I buy sneakers or not? Sit down together and make a responsible financial plan for the future. If you can't get on the same page while doing that, rethink your engagement because it's only going to get more complicated. I like that answer. I like that answer, too. Yeah. I mean, that's what I'm saying. It has to be a conversation hat, man. So he's not an asshole, though. He's not an asshole. Not an asshole. Not an asshole on the My First Kids podcast, either. All right, I got another one. Am I the asshole?
00:47:49
Speaker
ah This one might get you tight though. with i know most I know most here are looking for more equity and fairness and access when it comes to these drops, but oh wait, my back yeah am I the asshole? ya Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Fairness in these drops, but am I now part of the problem? I came up upon a skate shop in an area of town I'm not usually in while meeting a friend. Since I was early, I checked it out. Dude had 20 pairs of white and black gum SBs, a handful of candy corn SBs, and just sold his last pair of fogs yesterday. No one knows about this place. It's less than a year old. He just started to receive the first Nike orders he put in eight months ago. He said he doesn't even think he needs to raffle since First Come, First Serve has usually takes
00:48:35
Speaker
a week to get through the 20 to 40 pairs he teach had typically receives. Figured I just found out how I'm going to cop the next few SB drops before word gets out. I was chatting him up about the process he told me all about his Nike rep and how he doesn't really know the numbers of pairs he gets until they show up and that He can't put them out until release date, et cetera. He went on to tell me he just got a shipment that he can't sell until 11 11. The tight boot and SBs. This is when the type boots dropped. That's when we got into discussion about resale while holding the box. He said he had to see, he had seen these listed on eBay for 400 or 500 bucks. We talked about other shops back door in Paris. He said he didn't want to get into that. I, and I didn't ask, but I won't be here until 11 11. Can my homie.
00:49:24
Speaker
grab a pair for me and myself, and no, can't he grab a pair for me and himself? Can you hold me a pair? Can I put a deposit down? He said yes to each question. So then I asked, can I just pay now for them? I paid and left without the shoes. He put a copy of my receipt and my name number on the box and stashed it away. Would you say that's a back door?
00:49:49
Speaker
Is that in a back door? Mm-hmm.
00:49:55
Speaker
and this guy's a random customer walking into this spot. Yeah, he just found. has he So much the back door conversation is crazy. It's a little wild, but I feel like there are so many layers to back dooring, right?
00:50:11
Speaker
hu
00:50:14
Speaker
I feel like this is a back door, because he's laying the top. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But also my thing is,
00:50:25
Speaker
He knows about the shop, right? So it's kind of like one of them insane hypothetical predicaments to where like, if i is it a backdoor if the shoes ain't even selling out the day they drop anyway? Because remember he said it's taking them two weeks to sell through X amount. And that means he's not getting beyond he's not getting more than 24 pairs, to be honest. It's a small shop. So my thing is if it's taking them two weeks to sell through 24 pairs, right? Is this a backdoor?
00:50:53
Speaker
yes there are some discrepancies there between if he's lying or not in regard to what that is. And also, like I feel like the turned back door and needs to kind of be chopped down a little bit, too. Because now you got back door to where you have a store saying, give me X amount on top to get you this pair. That's how, buddy, just look out for him. You know what I'm saying? And also, like if he's been coming in and out of the store, copping shoes, that ain't that's just sitting there in the store anyway.
00:51:24
Speaker
Do it even matter? Or does does it only matter when people find out and they're upset because they didn't get an opportunity to do it? I think... It's still a back door though. I will agree with you that I'm not trying to run away from that. I just think it's... so It's weird.
Sneaker Culture and Community Interactions
00:51:41
Speaker
it's It's a back door because you pay for it upfront but before releasing it. Because like it's like when I worked at GameStop, we would... I mean...
00:51:50
Speaker
I would,
00:51:54
Speaker
you know, cause you remember back in the day, we we would have midnight releases. Nah, that game, that game coming home with me two, three days before you just can't play it online. yeah So, you know, that that's, and that's a backdoor. So if you get in there, if you get in there early, he's putting the money down for his pair.
00:52:16
Speaker
and his boy is coming to pick it up day of, 11-11. It's like he pre-ordered it. Yeah, but you said so much before you got to that, like the explanation of, yeah, I found this little skate shop that they can't even sell through shoes and they're struggling and it's ah the hottest shoes are just sitting on the shelf. Is that true?
00:52:39
Speaker
Because if if that's, this let me tell you why I think he might be capping. Okay. Because if that shit was just sitting there, you should know I can come back the day of and pick that shoe up, you know. you' True. True. Or you scared somebody else going to find out about their shop. And let me ask you this, if I'm an employee, right?
00:53:00
Speaker
I have a reoccurring customer that spends money in his store. Right. Monday through Friday, not saying every day of the week, I'm just saying he's a Monday through Friday consumer. And there's a Saturday drop that he wants access to.
00:53:21
Speaker
Then there's this other guy that is not a Monday through Friday consumer at all. He pops up, never seen him before, wants access to that Saturday drop. Who should get that access to that Saturday drop? The Monday through Friday.
00:53:38
Speaker
Is that a back is that back door? Yeah, it's still a back door. I would still consider it a back door. you just it's i mean Unless you have a weird customer loyalty program, like c CSS or CCS, whatever. like So it's legitimate back door. That's what you're saying. Yes, for sure. forever like There's a legitimate back door. There's a legitimate back door. There's a back door. There's a back door where they give you the key card. And then there's a back door that you you're like, i'm um but yeah there's a money window at that back door. And you're like, all right, let me get in there.
00:54:09
Speaker
you know i I just wanted and i want to be clear on that because I see those conversations that exist. I see it online, but also like hear you know like from some of the homies that have shops too. and it's like you want to keep your lights on. Shit. Exactly. like Why would I lose a guy that spends $1,000 a month with me compared to one guy that wants to come spend $200 with me on one day because of the high release? I'll never see him again. Right. That's why I think it's just so crazy that you can't even tell people to, when we say support your local stores, it's like they've even turned that into like just this and criminalizing thing to where it's like because it ain't
00:54:51
Speaker
it's It's transactional, but really it supports your local store because you want to see your store thrive and also you're a fan of that store. Now you got people saying, oh, I'm only supporting this because I want to be able to get Saturday released. And that's why I just feel like we're just, we're in just a cluster fuck, man. If I'm just being honest with you guys, it's just, it's so many wrong things that just out just went all the way down the drain.
00:55:15
Speaker
which brings me back to here mass reduction of Steven is not intended for fellowship or making friends, bro. What are we doing?
00:55:28
Speaker
Oh, man. I mean, look, it's it's obviously you were write about stores wanting to keep their doors open. And then ah and in order to do that, you kind of just got to You got to be present and, you know, the consumerism of that part has to be of your, that's the only way you get your voice right like in these areas because you're not going to be, you're not, I mean, you may have the opportunity to release a sneaker but not everybody else, you know where.
00:55:56
Speaker
This is, this is the chance where it's like, okay, this store that me and this community, we we frequent almost every week and we help keep the lights on. They're able to, you know, be part of the voice that you, and you get to be part of that voice as well. So yeah. I mean, I can only imagine how stressful it is, you know, like having 24 shoes, right? And you got strangers that want them and you got your homies that want them. yeah And i when I say home, and let me I even, you know, consumers that, you know, visit the store repeatedly, it's like, that got to be tough, man. That got to be a super tough, stressful week that one has to deal with, bro. And it's like,
00:56:44
Speaker
That's why I was like, man, me opening the store, bro, I know too many. I got my heart so good, bro. I got a good heart and I know way too many people die. You being the red, the first love, bro? Yeah, even I being the red is obviously way too stressed out, bro.
00:56:59
Speaker
I'd be so stressed out, bro. Like, yeah, this ain't for me, bro. I can't do this. I couldn't do it. I would never want to open stuff. yeah yeah I got one last one, right? One last thing, my other asshole for you. All right. This is the one I meant to say that this was going to get you mad. But all right, here we go. All right. And my other asshole for not selling a friend's shoes that I won in a raffle. So my friend is a big sneaker head and had me enter a raffle today for some Nike shoes that are dropping on sneakers.
00:57:24
Speaker
He told me he would give me $200 for the shoes if I won. I told him, yeah, since i thought that was since I thought there was no way of me winning anyways. I've done these raffles before and there's there's a s a very slim chance. So anyways, I ended up actually winning the raffle and got the chunky-dunky dunks.
00:57:43
Speaker
oh that today Ben and Jerry teamed up with Nike for them. Of course, you got to put it in, it because there's there's no sneaker heads on, am I the asshole? um Anyways, I looked up the price. They're reselling at yeah and around $1,500. I had no idea they were that much. They cost $100 if you win the raffle. So I told my friend I won. He told me that he would Venmo me the $200. I bet you like it so fast.
00:58:15
Speaker
When I give him the shoes, I told him that he would give me 600 so we can split the profit. He told me no, I had agreed it to 200. After some arguing, I told him that the deal was off. I will sell them and keep the money for myself. I feel like I didn't even i I feel like I didn't even get to even sell him the shoes for 600 in the first place. But since he was the one who told me to enter the raffle, I wanted to be nice and split the profit evenly. I felt like he was trying to take advantage of me because he knew $200
Evolving Ethics in Sneaker Culture
00:58:46
Speaker
for the shoes that cost $1,500 would be unfair. And since I don't know that much about sneakers, I wouldn't know. Am I the asshole if I refuse to sell him the shoes for 200 and sell them myself and keep all the money?
00:58:59
Speaker
I also paid $100 for the shoes. so i really So I really would only be making $100 for doing so. And he would be making $1,000 on something he didn't even win.
00:59:12
Speaker
So I'm going to speak from the guy. My thing is like, was the guy asking them to enter the shoes so he can attend? It don't even matter why. He asked them. He asked no just asked them. He don't even matter. So my thing is this.
00:59:30
Speaker
You just exchanged $1,400 for a friendship. That's how I look at that. For sure. yeah That's all. Like if $1,400 is where we need to cut the size of that, so be it. So yes, you cut you cut ties with an asshole for him to make $1,400. So that's just what they, I'm not like, I'm not, we not even about to over complicate this, you know what I'm saying? like Like, why are you even asking that? You know what I'm saying? You knew nothing of the shoot. You didn't know where to go get the shoot. So it don't matter if whatever the person that asked you to go do it does with the shoot, because it wasn't on your radar anyway in the first place. And it's not about that person getting over you. As a friend, you should just be like, yo, you want me in a shoot? Shoot for y'all? I was like, fuck, I paid $100 for it. Get my $100 back here.
01:00:31
Speaker
Exactly. simple is that you feeling me like But when you go do your Googles and once you start saying he was doing all this looking up stuff, once you say it, I knew it was the rap. But yeah na yes, you're an asshole
Concluding Reflections on Sneaker Culture
01:00:44
Speaker
and yes, you just cost yourself $1400. I mean, so the consensus here is not the asshole, it seems. Let me see. Yeah, not the asshole.
01:00:56
Speaker
Uh, first comment is he tried to pull a fast one on you and essentially review off. He definitely knew they were worth more. And even if he didn't, he does now don't feel bad. He could have one to think he would have given you anything if he did. Exactly. but that what yeah yeah That'll make sense. yeah don't even Once again, this is the, this is the internet, right? You're on the web, right? You're on the worldwide web. We're probably a bunch of people that don't come outside and just come on, bro. Like I'm not.
01:01:24
Speaker
Yo, humans are so stupid these days, bro. Like, what are we talking about? How do you even reply? You type that out and hit enter and hit send. He said, yeah, he, yeah, he going to like Markiplier. Like, come on, bro. Like, what's going on out here, bro?
01:01:37
Speaker
Oh, there's some there's some yes, yes, the asshole. Here we go. Yes, the asshole. You only did this raffle because of him and him and had and had a prior agreement with him. Then you decided to switch it up on him. You don't you don't know that he wanted to sell them. And even and if he even reads like he planned to wear them as opposed to just giving you six hundred dollars for them. Not cool, but I don't know. I i read that all wrong. ah Yes.
01:02:04
Speaker
Yes, the asshole. You made a really stupid deal with him. Your laziness is not bothering to research anything before making the deal. Doesn't mean you can break it without being and the asshole. If it turned out that the bottom suddenly fell off the sneaker market and the shoes were only worth 20 bucks, would you have accepted him backing out?
01:02:26
Speaker
yeah Hey, this one, this one, I think has the most is the is the best one. Here we go. Yes, the asshole because you made an agreement and you didn't hold up to your end. Then he quoted, he said, uh, I felt like he was trying to take advantage of me because he knew that she was $200 for the shoe that costs 1500. That would be unfair since I don't know that shoes that much about shoes. I wouldn't know I'm in the shoes as well. The fact that he turned ah down 600 tells me that he actually wants to wear them and not sell them. If that's the case, which it seems to be like it is that.
01:03:04
Speaker
That's, it's then that's why he offered you 200 for them because they resell for 1,500. That doesn't mean he would pay that. 200, he would pay for them. And wow, this part people can't write, man. 200, he would pay for them and he gets the shoes he wants and you get a free $100. If he wanted to resell them, then you're still the asshole, but not that much. I wanted the shoes as well. I would pay $200 max for them, no way.
01:03:31
Speaker
I'd pay anywhere near what they're reselling for. Put it this way, pretend you wanted to go to a concert. You ask him to help you out, he ends up getting it he ends up getting it for you for $100, but the tickets resell for 10,000 bucks. You offering him 200 for them if he helps you out. Is that ripping him off to you? You wanna go to the concert. You willing to pay $200, but not more than that. I think, so this is this is why,
01:03:56
Speaker
So this is one of those situations where I would hate to get into, right? Because, and this is why I don't ask for a lot of help from like my friends, because I feel like it's one, it's two things, right? It's one, what if they hit me with this and then I don't get the shoe? And then the second thing is what if I end up with two pairs of the shoe? So, or three pairs, sometimes four, you know? oh And,
01:04:26
Speaker
that's that's like one of my fears so I don't really ask people to to put in for me unless I like I know this the stock is so slim that I'm like there's only so there's only so many chances I'm gonna get at this shoe then I'll be like I yo yeah I'm gonna need you to put in for me like I did it for the Ben and Jerry's but I wouldn't have been like It wouldn't have been like, yeah, now 1,500, you know? Look, man, a legit friend of mine, not we're not even getting into these type of conversations. some preding like domain That's That sounds like associates y'all are speaking up. These can't be friends. You know what I mean? Like, this is like, nah, man. Like, nah, bro. Nah.
01:05:07
Speaker
Nah. Nah, man. Nah, yeah. I mean, this guy was putting in the rock in a hard place because of this. And now he lost a friend. No, he's not. You're not putting a rock in a hard place. You just, he just and he's an idiot.
01:05:23
Speaker
Yes, but I also think the rockin' the hard place is him being an idiot and his friend just being like like him losing a friend. That's the hard rockin' the like the path of like, no matter, either way, if he kept the shoe, it's wrong. Like, you're in the wrong, you know? That's what I'm saying is like, that that he's even coming to the internet to ask the world, am I wrong? am i an act Like, bro, do we not have morals anymore? Like, what are like what is going on here, bro?
01:05:52
Speaker
Nah, bro. I don't know, man. I don't know, man. it's why We ain't sad talk. We come from the world of, when you renege, that's the battle. Yeah, yeah yeah you done here. The thing is, if I was a buddy, like so as yeah soon as I hear any attempt to doubt in your voice, you got it, bro.
01:06:15
Speaker
I'm cool. Keep it, keep it. You ain't got no more. You know what I mean? Just every, but that's the thing. Every time you look at that shoot or you see the numbers 1500 come across your timeline, you're going to remember like, damn, I played my boy. You know what I mean? Like if that, if that was your boy for real, you know what I'm saying? That's why it's like, are they, are these, is this your legit friend you're talking about? Cause friends don't do that. You know what I mean? There's no news like that. They definitely sound like kids. So, of course they're kids. Kids don't have no morals. That would be all right. Yo, but KO, let everybody know where to find you, man. Outside. Tap him on the shoulder. Tap him on the shoulder. On the shoulder, man. Speak to me. Nah, man. I'm KO from A.T. up across everything. Twitter, Instagram.
01:07:08
Speaker
All that, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, we coming next year, man. I'm excited to get the ball rolling on that, you know what I'm saying? We got some ideas coming down the pipeline for that. We got your feedback for that, you know what I'm saying?
01:07:22
Speaker
I'm there. Lock me in, I'm there. Yeah, you gotta come to Atlanta at least two times a year anyway, you feel me? I'm down for that too. I've always wanted to go to Waffle House, so yeah. Yeah, you can go to Waffle House. There's better food down here than Waffle House. I know, but I gotta go to Waffle House at 4 AM. I hear that's the best time to go. That's if you party like that. You gotta like, you can party in and then it's like, let's go get the Waffle House, you feel me? I mean, look, I can hang. We out.
01:07:50
Speaker
Yeah. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's
Podcast Follow-up and Engagement
01:07:52
Speaker
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