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Ep. 18 - The Case for Sean McDermott
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This one is an important one folks! The boys sit down and discuss the merits of Sean McDermott as head coach of the Buffalo Bills. The good, the bad, the ugly. They work through their own opinions and hopefully they help you refine your own.
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Welcome and Podcast Overview
00:00:09
Speaker
You're listening to the Let's Go Buffalo Podcast, your new favorite podcast for everything, bills and sabers. What's going on everybody? You're listening to the Let's Go Buffalo Podcast, your
00:00:28
Speaker
favorite podcast for all things Bills and Savers with a couple of the pals today, just Nigel and Tom. Episode 18 coming at you. Quick reminder to follow our social medias at let's go buff pod. Let's buff with two F's on Instagram and X.
Podcast Recording Changes
00:00:46
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Tom, how we doing today, buddy?
00:00:49
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Good morning, Nigel. Just you, me, and a cup of coffee. That's right, baby. Yeah. We were originally, this was Saturday morning for Tom and I about coming up on 10 o'clock here. And we were originally going to do this Friday night. And Tom had a couple appointments. He had a handle. He was like, man, could we do like six-ish? And I was like, my guy.
00:01:08
Speaker
I'm going to be home from work by like 315. And just as a reminder, I don't podcast at home. I podcast in my studio. I was like, bro, it'll be a miracle if I end up getting off the couch. What if we did Saturday morning and a little coffee chap over our beloved Buffalo Bill? So here we are, baby. We just get wild on Friday nights.
00:01:29
Speaker
Dude, I mean, well, you text like maybe I might have been last week or maybe even this week. I can't remember. You texted Jake and I and you were like, dude, I'm about to like cozy up in bed with a movie at like eight p.m. and couldn't feel great. And I was like, oh, my God, that sounds absolutely incredible, dude. So, yeah, we're just getting old. We're just getting old, bro.
00:01:53
Speaker
I like the coffee. The coffee vibe is nice. Yeah, it is kind of nice, like relaxing morning vibes.
Coffee Corner: A New Segment
00:01:57
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So speaking of coffee, since it's 10 a.m., we will not be doing a beer corner with y'all, but we will be doing a nice little coffee corner. Tom and I, for as long as we've known each other, have been big coffee guys. So this should be a fun little little different chat as well. Tom, you want to go first? You want me to go?
00:02:17
Speaker
Uh, I'll go. I have some high society, highfalutin price chopper brands, donut shop blends this morning. Hell yeah, dude. Thanks. Thanks for the, uh, the, the coffee snob set up. And I definitely stuck that landing. Yeah. Oops. We used to. If I do. Yeah. No, I still do. I still do. I just did this morning. It was just.
00:02:37
Speaker
It's not in the cards, but if I do use, kind of go through the French press direction, I do, I have like the Vermont coffee company that's up here. Nice. Nice medium roast and just keep it straight up and some half and half and straight from the cow. Nice. We're good to go. Nice. Yeah, dude. I don't know if we've ever talked about this. I actually got this from our buddy, Jack.
Exploring Bottomless Coffee Subscription
00:02:57
Speaker
So there's this coffee subscription that I have called Bottomless.
00:03:03
Speaker
Hey, hey, sponsors. Yeah. Hey, hey, sponsors. Oh, my God. Can you imagine? So what bottomless? Yeah, we don't have any sponsors. But bottomless, if you hear this, we'll have to tag them. So so bottomless what they do, like they send you a Wi Fi scale, right? And you keep your bag of coffee on top of the scale.
00:03:20
Speaker
And once it gets low, it just automatically sends you a new craft coffee situation. Yeah, you did tell me about this. It sounds delicious. Dude, it's been so awesome. I'm super digging getting all these different coffees. So the one that I'm drinking today is from a company called Blanchard's Coffee. They're up in Seattle. And this particular cup is called, or this particular bean, if you will.
00:03:48
Speaker
It's called the Madre Laura Anaerobic Natural, which is quite a name. Tasting notes, pomegranate, dark chocolate, and grape. Yeah, I'll read you the description real quick. This coffee is super fresh fruit forward, which is true.
00:04:06
Speaker
Just like you. Just like me. The processing method makes the coffee a little funky and boozy, you know, but in a way that only augments the flavor and body. This is a clean, exciting coffee that doesn't shy away from being different. So shout out, bottomless shout out Blanchard's coffee. But yeah, if you're a coffee person, definitely consider doing some bottomless coffee subscriptions because it is the best, dude.
00:04:32
Speaker
Yeah, it sounds like it sounds awesome. It sounds also like just the more of the A.I. overlords, just slowly getting more and more information. A little bit, a little bit. Right. And just trying to keep you just keep you have a slow drip caffeination. Yeah, kind of. Well, I need it. So I'm OK with that to a degree. Yeah. What do you think, Tom? Should we should we get into the meat of today's discussion? I would love to. So we go ahead. Oh, who's going to do it? Mirio. Oh, I don't know. This coffee isn't kicked in. Oh boy. I'll do it. I'll do it. It's going to be me. Oh, no. We did it again. Go ahead, Tom.
00:05:04
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We thought that we should take this morning just to have a looser conversation about the merits of Sean McDermott in Buffalo.
Coach McDermott's Future: Debate Begins
00:05:14
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When we're ready to set the case for Sean McDermott, I am currently my gut feeling is that I think he should stay.
00:05:22
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but I'm still working through a lot of those thoughts and, and the pros and the cons of it all. And I know Nigel kind of feels differently. He feels that Sean McDermott needs to go. So I just thought this would be a great way of us kind of working through this. And I'm sure all of you out there have your own opinions as well. And maybe through this conversation, we can get 10% closer to actually knowing what we feel about this. Cause I think it's a, it's a really sticky wicket, you know, like it's not a clear conversation.
00:05:47
Speaker
No, it's not clear at all, man. So Tom was up a little bit early today getting our planning document together. And there are a plethora of pros and cons for keeping McDermott around at this point. So I don't know, man. It's really, really, really, really tough to know what the right answer is.
00:06:05
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like is with any team, right? Like, because, you know, owners like in a perfect world, like the coach they hired has immense success and it's sustained success, which, you know, to a degree, Sean McDermott has had with this team, right? That his first season broke the playoff drought, took one small step backwards the next season. But the following year, you know, the Bills became a perpetual playoff team.
00:06:34
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which for us coming out of the drought was like an absolute dream come true. I guess the big thing for me is at what point, because the sample size of Sean McDermott falling flat in big moments has
00:06:51
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gotten pretty big at this point. And for me, it goes all the way back to not that first playoff game that we had against the Jaguars, but the next year that we made the playoffs where we were playing the Texans.
00:07:05
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And that for me is where the first big faux pas started because we choked away a massive lead in the second half. We're up 16-0. We're up 16-0 like halfway through the third quarter and then lost that somehow. Right. And the instances of things like that continuing to happen are getting to the point where for me the sample size is too big where I feel like
00:07:29
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or I feel confident in the fact that this guy can eventually get us over that hump to take us to that next level. So that's the big thing for me. I'm not sitting here slamming the table to say, let's fire Sean McDermott today. I did say that in our group chat after the Eagles loss. We'll call that a little bit emotional. But I think for me, and I know one of the big things is he signed the extension.
00:07:57
Speaker
Right. It through 20, 27. I think it is this past off season, right? Yeah. Yeah. Terry bugula signed him and bean to a contract extensions to line them up. How many more years? So it's 2023 this year. So that'd be 2024, 2025, 26 and 27. So that's.
00:08:13
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essentially a five-year contract, including this year, right? So why don't we start? Let's start right there, Tom. What are your thoughts on them extending? And we can throw Brandon Bean in this a little bit, extending the both of them before this season started, given that we saw glimpses of some of these issues last season. How did you feel when we just went for the extension without seeing how this season played out? Yeah. At the time, I didn't really think much of it.
00:08:42
Speaker
Right, I was still, especially at this point, I'm still leaning towards Sean McDermott staying. At the beginning of the season, I still had pretty good confidence in him. I also think that Brandon Bean has done a phenomenal job of every year putting together a roster that is even better than the last. Since 2020, 2021, I've thought, oh, wow, this is probably the best roster we're going to see around Josh Allen. And Bean does it and makes it even better. He's been tinkering and making it better.
00:09:11
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I right now, um, being as safely off of the hot seat for me, he is, he is happy to be happy. I mean, this has not been a couple of decisions that aren't always the best, but there's no GM that makes every right decision. Um, and I don't think, I don't also, I attribute the bills woes less to roster construction and more to roster management and not roster management is not the right word either.
00:09:34
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roster usage, like in game decisions, you know, Sean McDermott decisions, not Brandon Bean decisions. So for me right now, I'm not even Brandon Bean, I would love for him to stay through 2027. And if he continues what he's doing, let's see it 2037, you know, like, yeah, if he continues on this path.
00:09:53
Speaker
So for man, so it could have been a little hasty. You're right. I actually don't know was, was Sean McDermott's contract up after this year? Is that why they were like in conversation? I believe it was if memory serves. Yeah. I'm not positive on that. If you, if you, if you've got a couple more things to say, I can try and float. Yeah. Go. Yeah. Go. I'll go look in there because
00:10:15
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If that was like, okay, it's he's in there in the hot seat, they have to make that decision, then I understand. And that the information they had at the time, Sean McDermott had made the bills into a perennial playoff season, uh, team. They're one of very few teams who have had a playoff win in the past few years. And, and like, that's, that's the mark of a successful team that could, and probably should make a deep playoff run. Now, excuse me. Um,
00:10:41
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The merits of whether or not that's happening is the issue. And then the other side of that coin is, for me at least, is head coaching decisions are a team owner decision. So that's a Terry Pagula decision. He could technically, I mean, they're worth billions. He could absolutely just burn this contract up and move on. And honestly, it'd be like, you know, having maybe a slightly heavier car payment for a month. Like, it's not gonna be that big of a deal for him.
00:11:10
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Yeah. So if, if he needs to make that decision and move on, then like, I think, I think we just do that and he eats the money and he can be happy sitting on his pile of money with his brand new stadium being billed. And, um, so I don't know if the contract to mean, yes, it might've been a little bit hasty, but I think if it's the right move, we've seen this happen other places, uh, coaches on an extension and then pretty quickly move on. Cliff Kingsbury is the one that comes to mind. He's down in Arizona and he's got fired in the last season and
00:11:40
Speaker
He's he went like, I don't know. I think I saw him saying he's going to the Philippines like he went off and took his big pile of money and was happy to be and
00:11:47
Speaker
Yeah, dude, it's it's the job I get. I know. Right. I know. It's funny you say that I was listening to one of my other podcasts that I listened to. Shout out after the whistle with Andrew Peters and Craig Rivet. That's a great hockey podcast. But they were talking about this college coach who just recently got fired and is still owed 76 million dollars from the school. So like just it is insane. And like college coach is where you want to be, dude, because like
00:12:17
Speaker
There's no money going to the players. It all goes to the coaches. And it's all fully guaranteed. But to piggyback off what you were saying, the contract extension, I'm with you on Brandon Bean. Brandon Bean is a completely separate part of this conversation. I'm thrilled about the Bean extension. I think, like you said, the rosters that he continues to put together over and over again are championship caliber, and there's really nothing to question there.
00:12:44
Speaker
I was starting to feel frustrations with Sean McDermott as early as last season. So for me, when we extended him as early as we did, I'm not gonna say I was like pissed, but I was concerned, right? Because then all of a sudden it's like, okay, like to a degree, this season almost like has to go well.
00:13:05
Speaker
Right. Like, right. Make that to make that look good. And it to me at this point, dude, like it just feels like it was too soon. Like, I don't know what else to say. Like, you think he might have made a different decision at this point if he had waited the six months and waited till now. You have to at least makes a different decision. You have to at least it becomes way more of a consideration. Right. Like it's it's not as automatic. The idea of him getting a contract extension.
00:13:33
Speaker
So right then and there, that for me was a little bit nerve wracking. And now we're seeing the, maybe not the worst case scenario, but like not too far from the worst case scenario, given what this team was supposed to do this year. And a lot of it, you know, a lot of it this year was execution by the players. Like let's not, let's not pretend the players have been flawless. However,
00:13:58
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There's like at some point, right, like the execution things and the things that aren't going right, like Sean McDermott is in charge of the whole thing. And it's some at one point or another, everything starts to reflect on him. Right. So like, for example, he made the move firing Ken Dorsey right now. That looks like it was the right move and promoting Joe Brady.
00:14:21
Speaker
You know, why wasn't that move made a little bit sooner? I'm sure that's a really difficult decision to make. But what I want to get to here is now that Joe Brady has been playing really well, this Eagles game is really, really, really, really sticking out to me in a bad way as the most recent coaching issue. And there
Critique of Recent Coaching Decisions
00:14:41
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were just so many, like our podcast, our last pod, we didn't really talk about too much
00:14:47
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We did a little bit, but I'm still so pissed off about the fact that he chose to take a knee at the end of the first half.
00:14:53
Speaker
What are we doing? Like, especially how Josh Allen is was playing. Yeah, dude. It's just like it's just things like that, man. Like, yeah, the Ken Dorsey firing of Ken Dorsey, that was the right lever to pull. There's just way too much here where he continues to pull the wrong lever for me. Right. Like you get you get the fact that we got out code. We can't stop getting out coached by Zach Taylor and the Bengals.
00:15:19
Speaker
Right. Like that game was an ugly, ugly win. Getting our doors blown out by New England, losing to Denver. Like I get that some of those things are like execution based, but at some point it's got it. It's got to come back on Sean McDermott and the Bucks got to stop with someone. Exactly, dude. So like the Joe Brady thing promotion was that was his last. That was his last card to play. Right. And it looked good. Looked good against the Jets.
00:15:49
Speaker
You can't there. I don't think there's any person in the world that is going to pin the loss on the Eagles on Joe Brady in that move. Right. That was a little bit of execution and a lot of shitty coaching. So this is like I just get concerned with the fact that like at what point do we do we accept the fact that Sean McDermott is or maybe not accept maybe accept is the right word. But
00:16:12
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make the decision that we don't feel that he can get us to the next spot, right? Now, like, one of the big concerns I have, or not concerns, but things that comes to mind with that, and this was brought up actually by a colleague at work, Andy Reed, right, probably viewed, I would say, as a top five coach in the NFL. Fair to say, would you say?
00:16:32
Speaker
Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Took him maybe of like a top 10 of all time. Yeah. Took him 20 years of head coaching to get his Super Bowl. Right. So like I'm wondering if there's a layer of that, dude, like, you know, is there the Sean McDermott just need more time to learn how to pull the right levers? The problem with with that for me and I've I've been talking for a minute here and I'll pass the time back shortly, Tom.
00:16:59
Speaker
is we don't have time, right? Like, you have Josh Allen that is prime right now. Like, do you want to use this prime Josh Allen time as the years where Sean McDermott is still cutting his teeth as a head coach? Like, that's the other thing. Like, I just, yeah, go ahead, buddy. Yeah. So for me, for that, like in that conversation, that's an opportunity cost, right? You can take the evil that you know or the evil that you don't.
00:17:29
Speaker
You know, you don't know if we went through, uh, like head coach, like roulette for 17 years, going head coach after head coach, after head coach, every single one of them coming in, talking big, going to be the solution, going to turn this around and it doesn't. So where I struggle is knowing. You're an NFL team's ability to win a championship is based off of being as good as you can for as long as you can and getting lucky along the way.
00:17:59
Speaker
So we have been as good as we probably could have been. Honestly, looking at, just throwing some stats out there, there was some graphic that went through on Twitter of all
00:18:12
Speaker
The all teams win percentage on from all four major sports, sports, football, basketball, hockey, soccer, and the bills were second amongst every, every professional sport team in the United States. Um, second since 2019 and win percentage points, six, nine, 7% win percentage. Like you gotta just be good and you gotta be in the game. You gotta, he's been 72 and 46 overall in, um, in Buffalo bowl. That's including regular season and post season. Like.
00:18:41
Speaker
I don't know, I have trouble trusting that we're gonna get somebody to come in and actually do the right thing as opposed to, we just gotta get lucky. I felt like there's been so much that has been unlucky for the past few seasons, including injuries this year, Damar Hamlin incident last year, the snow storms in Buffalo, all this stuff that has happened over the last few seasons, it feels just like, I don't know.
00:19:14
Speaker
Well, folks, we're back. Apologies. We'll get this figured out. I think the biggest thing about Sean McDermott and firing him and possibly bringing in a replacement is what are the odds that the next person is the right person? Or does it get worse? It could absolutely get worse. We've seen that happen all the time.
00:19:35
Speaker
Yeah, for sure, dude. So with that, my counter argument to that, because that's what a lot of people say, right? Like, don't play Rashawn because it can always be worse, right? And that to me just isn't a good enough, it's not a good enough reason. And the analogy that I bring back to that is,
00:19:52
Speaker
If you're in a relationship and things aren't going well, and you can see the writing on the wall that, okay, this isn't gonna be my person. You don't stick it out because you're afraid of what might not come. You recognize it's not the right situation and you move on. That's where my head goes with that. I think it's really simple. I think it's a really applicable thing.
00:20:21
Speaker
I think because the answer, the answer also isn't continue to bang your head against the wall and lose the divisional round every year with Sean McDermott. You know, you're right. You're right. It is opportunity cost. Tom, you have a ton of really, really, really, really, really great.
00:20:38
Speaker
data here in this table.
Pros of Retaining McDermott as Head Coach
00:20:40
Speaker
Do you want to walk through some of these pros that you have for keeping Sean McDermott so that you guys can't see this. Maybe it might be good to post this in the on the social media actually. But Tom's got this awesome table here of just a pros and cons list and it's both sides are very very dense. So you want to touch on some of this Tom because there's some really great stuff in here.
00:21:00
Speaker
Yeah, we've perused and kind of dipped and dipped and dived in and out of it. But let's yeah, let's go through it. So I think for and this is where this was just my way of trying to figure out what the heck do I think because I still don't know. Pros for keeping Sean is that is part of that. You got to be as good as you can for as long as you can argument is that we have been we've been he's 72 and 46 overall in Buffalo. He's the
00:21:24
Speaker
The Bills are the second winningest team in all four major sports since 2019. He came in and he ended the 17 year playoff trail. To be honest, I think that's a awesome feather in his cap, but that's not a reason to keep somebody. It's ending the playoff draft. That's a feather. Hey, thank you very much. We appreciate you, but that's not like the reason to keep you. So that for me is a kind of a weaker one in the pros column.
00:21:47
Speaker
Yep. Um, he has made the decision and made the right hirings of having these good offensive coordinators kind of come up, run right after another. We had Brian Dable. He hired Brian Dable to be the offensive coordinator really made Josh Allen's career with Brian Dable as OOC. Then Brian Dable moved on, Ken Dorsey.
00:22:06
Speaker
As much as we didn't like Ken Dorsey going into like halfway through this year, he wasn't, the offense was doing incredibly well. They were highly efficient. They're just not necessarily efficient at the right times. So honestly, of all the decisions, I don't think it's the worst OC he could have brought in. Then he had Joe Brady behind him, right? So like his coaching decisions and hirings, I think have been pretty good. Yep.
00:22:31
Speaker
And that's a big responsibility of the head coach is bringing in a staff and who do you, who do you bring in to support you and to do the right thing? I'm just, I, I, man, I wish that we've been told that he has like a game time decision coach or staff member. Like I want, you know, like they're the person who makes the, do we go for it on fourth down? Do we, they bring the stats to him for that. Like they have, they have somebody on staff who is, that is literally their job.
00:22:55
Speaker
And I just don't think they exist because I feel like Sean if that's true that Sean would have made better decisions That person that person is Sean McDermott Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so, um
00:23:10
Speaker
He, another pro is that it's clear that he's a big culture guy. He has absolutely made Buffalo a place where players want to play. That's Von Miller. As much as we think about Von Miller and there's a sticky subject there that we probably shouldn't get into because we are just two stupid podcasters who probably don't have much of a place. However, when Von Miller came in and played the first nine games last season, he did look like Hall of Fame, Von Miller. Great decision.
00:23:33
Speaker
And that we don't get a player like that without Sean McDermott and this team that he built here, the culture that he built. That's Stefan Diggs. That's Josh Allen developing into the person he is. Like, there's just a laundry list of people who, of players who have come to Buffalo to play in Buffalo. And I think that's not nothing.
00:23:54
Speaker
And this is the one that I think is the reason why we're not going to move on to Sean McDermott. That doesn't mean that we can't have this conversation and that it isn't an important conversation. It's just that predictably, I don't think we are.
00:24:05
Speaker
is that in the end, this is a business and Terry Piggula has been printing money since the bills have been playing well since 2017 and Sean McDermott's been here. The bills are a golden goose for Terry Piggula and that's been under Sean McDermott's leadership and I think he's going to continue to make Terry Piggula money because I do think regardless if we don't make a deep playoff run, I do think the bills will continue to be successful throughout the regular season.
00:24:29
Speaker
in getting to the postseason. So I think that the Bills will absolutely still continue to just be the golden goose for Terry Legula. And I don't think he's going to want to mess that up.
00:24:38
Speaker
Let me let me ask you this so like if we let's let's say Sean McDermott really really really starts to go into a tailspin like we Let's say we lose out the rest of the season, right? Do you think there's a concern for Terry Piguola like oh shit like the team all of a sudden looks? terrible and we've got this new stadium I I need asses and seats a hundred like I
00:25:04
Speaker
Yeah, big time. Yeah, he's got a big bill coming. So he does. Right. So like, I think like you're right. Like it is a business and Terry Pergol is a businessman and he you know, he wants to make his money. But like I really like that's a big one for me, man. Like if this team doesn't start to take the next step, there will not be people in those seats in that new stadium. And then he's going to be.
00:25:26
Speaker
It's I mean, really a billionaire, but that's going to be that's going to be a fat, fat, fat debt that he's got to deal with. So I agree. No, that's a good point. And especially because now is the time to do it. Right. And get if you need it, if you're going to make a change, do it now so that when the the the stadium opens in 2026 and two seasons, two and a half seasons, like you have your established and your back.
00:25:48
Speaker
You're humming along again. So that's a good point. That's a very good point. Who knows? I think my thoughts change drastically if we do look like idiots the rest of the season and we lose out. Yeah, I'm done. I'm done. Yeah.
00:26:03
Speaker
Now, this is the one that I think is also really sticky for me is if we fire Shaw McDermott, he's going to get another head coaching job. He's been a good head coach, like especially compared to other head coaches that have jobs in this league. He's going to get another job and a head coach gets a new position. They take staff with them. Who's going with them? And I think that staff, including what I already talked about with offensive coordinators with Brian Dable, Ken Dorsey, Joe Brady, I think that staff has played an enormous role
00:26:44
Speaker
And he'll, he, maybe he goes with them. Maybe, maybe Brady stays on. We'll talk about this in a second and a few minutes rather. Like maybe Joe Brady is the one who stays in, in replaces. But, or he's, he's gone and he's, he's leaving a Bobby Babbage linebacker coach. Hello, Terrell Bernard. Like he came out of nowhere. This third round pick that we thought was just a throwaway. What are we doing? But like Bobby Babbage is the one who got him ready to play at an NFL level.
00:26:59
Speaker
in the bills turning aroun these players and making a got just a short list her
00:27:09
Speaker
And before he was the linebackers coach, he was the secondary coach who helped Jordan Porter, Micah Hyde, Todavius White, Taron Johnson, all developed into these all pro players that we've seen them at the last few years. Maybe not this year. Teron Johnson's playing out of his mind. So he's out of that conversation. You could say that Jordan Porter and Micah Hyde are kind of on their decline. But Bobby Babbage is the one who kind of coached them up and took them from these bottom of the barrel end of the roster players to elite.
00:27:38
Speaker
Yeah, this is a great bullet point by you, Tom. I did not think about this. And you're 100% right. When coaches go to a different gig, they will bring staff with them. This is a hugely, hugely, hugely important thing that you brought up that I didn't think about at all.
00:27:57
Speaker
And yeah, it's not only that Sean McDermott would take them, but the new regime would fire them and bring in their own people. Yep. Right. So it's Bobby Babbage. It's Aaron Cromer, this O-line coach who our O-line is the best we've ever seen in the sense Sean McDermott's been here. Like, and that doesn't happen for no reason. That happens because of coaching. It happens because of player development and player efforts, but that happens largely because of coaching. And I think that I attribute that to Aaron Cromer.
00:28:21
Speaker
Um, Eric Washington, who's been, we, has been discussed as being a defensive coordinator in Buffalo and other places. And he's the defensive line coach and currently assistant head coach. And that defensive line, that's the development of Ed Oliver, who looks like we have like a freaking steel, that D tackle, um, group who's playing really well. One of the premier run blocking, um, defensive ends in the league.
00:28:43
Speaker
a great pass rusher. That's A.J. Appanessa, who we kind of wrote off of the last few seasons, but has come alive this season and is totally going to get a great contract this season. Yup. That's Eric Washington. And then Mike Shula, offensive assistant, who has been a great offensive mind in this in the league for a long time. And that's, I don't know, one, two, three, four, five names. So there's more, you know, like that's the unseen
00:29:08
Speaker
That's the unseen consequences of Sean McDermott leaving. And I don't know if this team can sustain that and or the players would get upset. They would want to leave because their coaches have left that have done so much for them. I don't know. But I think that's an untalked about consequence of Sean McDermott leaving. Yep, it is. It's you. And it's like I said, dude, I didn't think about that for a second. And you are. You're 100 percent right, Tom. That is that's a huge thing.
00:29:38
Speaker
doesn't mean that it can't work and other people can come in and do the same thing. But again, the opportunity cost. You're moving on from Sean McDermott, who's gotten you here. Maybe somebody is better. Maybe these other position coaches will be better or they're not. And we're stuck being stuck in the land of mediocrity again. I don't know. Right. This this last bullet point here that you have, I think is really interesting. Do you lose the current locker room by moving on from Sean McDermott?
00:30:06
Speaker
What like, so can I, can you answer that first or do you want me to answer it first? Um, go for it. What's your take on that? I winning cures everything.
00:30:16
Speaker
So if it really depends, man, I really think, and a lot of these conversations that you and I are having today, a big piece of it is how the season ends. How do we look in these last 100%? So that's a big part of it. But winning cures everything. Even if you're having success in the regular season, though, and you continuously lose in the playoffs in the same spot,
00:30:44
Speaker
I think that eventually starts to wear on guys, right? And I think at some point, maybe this year you lose a little bit, but let's say this season had been going great, and we were crushing the regular season, and then we get to the same spot, we lose the division one of the playoffs, right? At what point does the removal of your head coach, when you're only able to get to that one spot?
00:31:11
Speaker
feel like a breath of fresh air for the team. It's tough to know because you're not in the locker room, but I'm just thinking for me, if I were a player and we just keep hitting the same wall and we're not breaking through that wall, that to me, I'm ready to see a new coach.
00:31:29
Speaker
I would think if it were me, right. That's the, that's the Stefan Diggs argument right now. Right. He was upset over the off season. What was the drama was between him and Josh Allen. No, it's that he came out and said that he's frustrated with how things have been ending and he's, he wants to win. He's a competitive person. He's an athlete who wants to go win the whole thing. And he's, he's not happy with losing and you're a hundred percent, right? Like if that continues, more going to go join him, you know?
00:31:56
Speaker
And he's definitely made it clear that he's happy here. He wants to retire a bill. He wants to. It's just that he also needs to be able to air his grievances. And I think that's fair. Yeah. Yeah, ma'am. Should we get over to these, this cons list a little bit that you, that you have going on? Yeah. Um, again, we've had talked about it. Um, the biggest thing for me, um, and I'm going to just say one, and I'll let you kind of take, take over here too of, I think the biggest thing is the coaching decision-making.
00:32:23
Speaker
There's everything else that could be go great, but it seems like he just can't, something happens when he's in these high pressure situations and he can't do the right thing. Yeah.
00:32:33
Speaker
Yeah, dude, that's the prevailing thought, man. It's one thing to have regular season success. And like you said, man, so, so, so appreciative of Sean McDermott for getting us out of the drought. It feels good to be away from that and be viewed as a team that is a Super Bowl contender every year for the last handful of years.
00:32:57
Speaker
Right. But I think as a fan, like it's it's it's OK to still want more. Right. Like this is this is a franchise. This is a city that has never seen a championship. Right. So like we have high expectations, especially when you have a unicorn like a Josh Allen or a Tage Thompson who's six six and can stick handle his way out of a phone booth. Like, you know, you get these you get these unicorns and it's just like, OK,
00:33:25
Speaker
Like, here's the honest to God truth. The Buffalo Bills could never see a quarterback as good as Josh Allen ever again. And that's just a true fact. That's just a true fact. Exactly. It could happen. So like, you can't sit on your hands and wait for Sean McDermott to start pulling the right levers in these high pressure situations. So like, a couple of things here.
00:33:50
Speaker
4 and 5 in the playoffs.
McDermott's Overtime Struggles
00:33:53
Speaker
That's not great. It's also not terrible. This is the big one for me. 1 and 6 in overtime games. 0 and 6 since Josh Allen's been drafted. Josh Allen has yet to win an overtime game as a quarterback in the NFL. And for the most part, I don't put that on Josh.
00:34:12
Speaker
No, I don't either. Right? I don't put that on Josh Allen for the most part. There's probably a few of them and I don't have every game detailed here, but there's probably one or two of them that, yeah, Josh didn't execute in overtime when he had the ball. But for the most part, it's a defensive crumbling.
00:34:28
Speaker
Yeah, 13 seconds immediately comes to mind. This most recent Eagles game comes to mind. That Vikings game that we went to last season, he threw that interception in overtime. That sucked. But yeah, I don't know, man. So 1-6 in overtime under Sean McDermott is not great. 28-28 in one score games, OK.
00:34:49
Speaker
the the
00:35:05
Speaker
Dating back as far as right now, you know, we're just looking at 2020. You got the Hail Murray. Right. That's an ugly, ugly, ugly, ugly, ugly way to lose the game. The 2020 that was so terrible. So frustrating. Right. The 2021 OT loss to the Buccaneers losing to the 2021 Urban Meyer Jacksonville Jaguars. Are you God damn kidding me? That was a mess. Terrible.
00:35:32
Speaker
Right. The Vikings game last year. Hello. Like what a what an absolute debacle that whole thing was. The the you know the Heat in Miami. I'm not sure like I don't know if there's anything we can do about that. Like we can't help where we are on the sidelines. Right.
00:35:50
Speaker
Yeah, like you know like having the resources to make sure that guys are able to be hydrated like making like Like preaching to guys that like you have to take care of your body going into this game because it's gonna be a bitch right like
00:36:05
Speaker
The playoffs against Cincinnati. Right? Terrible. Or even not playoffs against Cincinnati. Also terrible. Doesn't matter. Take your pick. 13 seconds. Right? Kansas City AFC Championship game. Early 9-0 leading that game. Ended up losing 38-24. Right? Houston playoff game. Led 16-0 with more than half of the
00:36:29
Speaker
More than halfway through the third quarter, you lose that game, right? Led by three with a minute 52 left against the Philadelphia Eagles, lost. Led by one with a minute 55 left against the Broncos, lost. Led by three with 158 left against the Patriots, lost. Led 13-6 going into the fourth quarter of the first game of the season against the Jets, lost, right? Like, two. Let Matt Jones have a game of his freaking life. Like, bro, that, those three, those four, sorry that I just mentioned,
00:36:59
Speaker
That is fucking coaching, bro. I don't know how else to say it, but that's coaching. It comes back to coaching 100%. I saw you highlighted one here in the document. Tommy, you want to talk about that one?
00:37:13
Speaker
Yeah, this is one that I think is another just, again, opportunity cost of, and I've heard Greg Thompson, excuse me, whoa, Greg, I'm sorry, Greg Thompson from cover one. Talk quite a bit about is that having a defensive minded head coach like Sean McDermott means that we keep our defensive leader
00:37:35
Speaker
in building and that's offensive coordinators who come up and play for the bills and work with Josh Allen, do really well, like Brian Dable, go get hedge coaching jobs. And if you're looking across the league, many of the elite teams have offensive minded coaches at head coach.
00:37:53
Speaker
And because once they're head coaches, they're not really up, they can't go climbing the coaching tree anymore. So they're there and they're gonna stay if they're successful. So there's an argument to be made that if we move on from Sean McDermott and go hire a offensive men and coach like Joe Brady, like Ben Johnson from the Lions, like we could keep them, have them work with Josh Allen and then Josh Allen's in an offensive system that is the same for several years in a row. And I think there is,
00:38:21
Speaker
There's merits to that that are kind of lost when you have a defensive mind and head coach like Sean McDermott. Yeah. Yeah, I agree completely, man. I mean, I still you know, you still got defensive minded head coaches in the league. You got Bill Belichick. You got Bob Salah. But right. Like look at Miami right now. We're just sticking in the AFC East. I mean, it's Mike McDaniel is not one of the coolest offensive minds in the league right now. I don't like this. But yeah, yes, he's very smart, but he's good.
00:38:49
Speaker
And you know part of that like I keep I keep seeing people want to pin to as like one of the elite quarterbacks I think if you take away the fact that he's got two of the five fastest wide receivers He become very mid very quickly But he's still like everybody knows that wattle and hill are fast and they're still not able to handle it So like correct McDaniel's is doing something that's great there you know and you're right man like a lot of the really really really elite and
00:39:15
Speaker
teams in the league, they're offensive minded people. Andy Reid for the Chiefs, Sirianni for the Eagles. Right. Like the list is is long and getting low. Like McCarthy with the Cowboys. Yeah. Even though he came out saying he wanted a defense, he wanted to run the ball to win games this year. Now he's putting up 40 plus points every game. But yeah, it worked out pretty nicely for him. Yeah, it's I don't know, man. It's it's just and it's it's I feel I honestly feel terrible for Terry Pagula because like
00:39:43
Speaker
It's got to be a borderline impossible decision to have to make, because it's such a big deal. For a billionaire, I don't feel too bad for him. Yeah, that's a good point. Excuse me for painting. I don't feel too bad for him. It's on him to make the right call there. And so here's a really, really, really, really big piece of this for me, that I think if Terry Piguula isn't doing, he needs to be.
00:40:14
Speaker
Like, I want to know how the players feel. Right. And I'm going to call for a second. Excuse me.
00:40:20
Speaker
I agree. Like, I think the player's opinion of Sean McDermott is going to be a big determining factor here. And to be honest, as fans of the team, I don't think we're ever going to know. True. You know, actually, truly how they feel. But yeah, he should be having the conversations right now. And then again, at the end of the season, if things go well or things don't go well, go get the pulse of the locker room. And hopefully he already does. Hopefully he already does. He'd like to think so, right?
00:40:47
Speaker
Um, and if he doesn't, like that's going to be a big deal. Does Josh Allen think he can win with Sean McDermott? I mean, we kind of already said that Josh Allen was the one who brought Ken Dorsey in. I don't know if that was the best decision, but
00:41:00
Speaker
So, but I think, I mean, his opinion clearly matters and opinion matters of Mitch Morris and Dionne Dawkins and Dawson Knox and Stefan Diggs and Micahide and group and all these players who are like building blocks of this team, Matt Milano, right? Like players who are going to be here for a while going to be playing in this regime. Um, I think their opinion of Sean McDermott matters quite a bit.
00:41:21
Speaker
Hugely, dude. And you said a name there that I really like. That was one of the first names that I thought of that I want to know his opinion. That's Mitch Morse. I want to talk to guys like that on the team, these guys that have just been in the league for a long time. Do they feel like they can have success under this with Sean McDermott?
Influence of Players' Opinions on Coaching Decisions
00:41:43
Speaker
So yes, if he's not, he's missing out on a massive, massive, massive opportunity.
00:41:49
Speaker
to get a sense of the culture of the team and how the team feels about it, right? Like you have to be checking in with the temperature of the guys. And the other side of that coin is that like if maybe they're maybe they are behind Sean and they are like, oh, my God, our head coach, our guy is he's in the hot seat. We got to go out and win. We got to go. Well, excuse me, go play well in the playoffs and they're going to rally behind him. I think that is indicative and an important data point as well.
00:42:18
Speaker
You're absolutely right. And that could solve the whole thing. If the guys are like, no, man, we would run through a wall for Coach McDermott. He's our guy. He's the guy we want to do this with. Then you don't fire Sean McDermott. If the guys, if the players are assuming that they're being truthful, they're not just trying to be nice. And hopefully, they're not just trying to be nice.
00:42:43
Speaker
looking at it from the lens of my window as a professional athlete to win a championship is small, right? And I need the best situation. You're absolutely right, though. If those guys are like, if if if Mitch and Josh and Steph and crew and all the guys you just mentioned, you know, Micah and Jordan, if they're all like, no, like this season was mostly on us and our poor play, not on McDermott. He's the guy we want in this building.
00:43:09
Speaker
Then it's, then it's easy. You don't fire him because then you do lose the locker room and you correct. You put the incumbent in just a really shitty situation. Right. Which is why those conversations need to be behind closed doors. They need to not be open to the media. Let, let it just be internal conversations where they can get the true feelings of the team.
00:43:26
Speaker
And so I wonder, and I don't know this. Maybe people do. I'm not sure. What does that conversation look like? Is that just Josh Allen, Terry Pagula, and Brandon Bean in a room? Or is it just Josh and Terry? Or is it just Josh and Brandon? Or I wonder what that group looks like.
00:43:48
Speaker
Probably like probably probably multiple, but it's probably multiple conversations, you know, I think. Yeah. And don't quote me, but I want to say that most seasons they have kind of like a debrief, a checkout as you go into the off season. Okay. We're going to sit down with your, your, your position coach and probably show McDermott or, you know, somebody and have conversations of what we're, you know, how does your go? What was your expectations? I'm sure they have those conversations and maybe it happens there, you know, in that kind of situation or, or at some kind of variation on that.
00:44:18
Speaker
I know for a fact that hockey does that, right? Like on Locker Clean-Out Day, Locker Clean-Out Day is synonymous with player meetings with the regime, the coach and the GM. Yeah, so you gotta hope that's happening from Terry Bagula so that he can get as much information on how the guys that this decision would affect the most feel about it.
00:44:47
Speaker
Okay. Um, let's see. We went through our chart here. What do you think, Tom? Do we like, do we, do we take a second here? And like, if we had to make a decision right now, right? Like without, and I know we both want to see how the rest of this season goes.
00:45:02
Speaker
Right. He had to make a decision right now. Do we do that? Do we say if we sure if we want to say or if we want to see him go and when we want to see all those things happen. Yeah, I have and I have kind of like my through this conversation, which is exactly why I wanted to have. I knew you were the guy to have this with. And this has been fun of it right now. I want to keep Sean McDermott. I want to keep him most mostly because I want to make sure that this team has been successful in one year of
00:45:32
Speaker
less than successful is not indicative of a man's coaching career. And the big thing for me is if we move on, it's the opportunity cost. I am not ready to go see what next head coach we get and what next kind of position coaches we get.
00:45:51
Speaker
Now, kind of my next stop, and I am going to cheat a little bit. I'm going to say that if we go and we finish this season, finish strong. And even if we don't make it to the Superbowl, but we look good in that plan, those playoffs, even if we win in the divisional round, we are sorry, we lose in the divisional round. We lose in the AFC championship game, but as long as it's not a complete meltdown, like we've seen.
00:46:11
Speaker
I'm here for it. Let's keep rolling. Let's keep going. If it's a meltdown and we go one and four in the last couple of games here, we don't make the playoffs. So we make the playoffs and we then Sean McDermott shits his pants again, then I'm done. You know, I'm done. Let's move on. Yeah. I think for me, man. I don't think you fire him right now. I think I think you keep him for the rest of the season and you ride it out.
00:46:40
Speaker
I do, for me, man, I think you move on in the off season. And that might seem rash, dude, and it's one mediocre season, but I just, and I've said it several times this part, and I'll just say it one more time. The sample size of floundering in the biggest moments is just too big for me to sit here in this swivelley chair and feel like Sean McDermott is
00:47:08
Speaker
the coach that is going to take us to that next step. Now, I don't exactly know what his replacement should look like in order to make, take that next step. Maybe it's an offensive minded play call or an offensive minded head coach or what have you. Okay. That is not my job to figure out, but I can't, I can't sit here and accept the, well, we don't know what we're going to get.
00:47:32
Speaker
Because that's not a good enough reason to just be forced to be OK with the current situation. It's OK to want more. We're not greedy as Bills fans because we went through 17 years of a playoff drought. And now we're perpetually in the playoffs. Knock on wood because this season so far, not sure. Now that we're perpetually in the playoffs, it doesn't mean we have to just be like, you know what? We went through a lot of shit.
00:47:59
Speaker
This is still better than that. It's OK to just stay here. Like, no, dude, like, I want to see a championship with these teams while I have, you know, a lot of my family around and, you know, like my dad and like, I want us to be together when we're watching a championship happen. Right. Like, I want it to like, you know, I want it to happen in my lifetime. So for people to sit there and just say like, oh, it could be worse, like sounds like an abusive relationship to me.
00:48:28
Speaker
You know, like, like you would agree not that that's something that we joke about. But like, I think you understand what I'm saying. Like, you know, you don't just you don't just accept. You don't just accept something that isn't what you truly want it to be because you're afraid of what something could be worse.
00:48:44
Speaker
You're right. You know, you're right. So that for me, and you know, like, like you said, dude, I'll cheat, I'll cheat a little bit with you. If we look sick the rest of this season and we went out and we make the playoffs, you know, my, I'm going to change my tune for sure, depending on how we look in the playoffs.
00:49:01
Speaker
Right. It depends on how we lose. If it's a oh, my God, like this was this was not coaching decisions. It just we got outplayed. Yes. Like, you know, it's tough. That'll be tough to. Those are tough. Those those are tough. That line. Yeah. But you can stomach those. Right. Like, you know, when you're not getting like those good games that you come up short where they're good and it was a really even battle. Like you can stomach those. They sting in
Joe Brady's Rising Success and Leadership Potential
00:49:26
Speaker
the moment. But
00:49:27
Speaker
I know for me, I come back from those feeling good much quicker than I do losses like the ones we've had this year. Yeah. Yeah. Man, let's talk about Joe Brady for just a second. So two games in, he's looked sick. This is the offensive coordinator, right? So good. So let me pose this question here, right? And I think I said this at one point in our Bill's Buds chat.
00:49:55
Speaker
At this point, there's very little film on him as the offensive coordinator for the Buffalo Bills. I'm not saying that is the reason he's having success. It could be part of it at this point. Could be. Two games into his time as the offensive coordinator. If you had to right now, someone comes up and says, OK, Tom, you have to decide right now.
00:50:21
Speaker
Either Joe Brady is the offensive coordinator next year, or he is not and he's gone. Which one are you picking? Offensive coordinator? Absolutely. Let's keep him. Let's roll. Let's get him some time. To be honest, I think that was part of the reason why we kept Dorsey for so long is because it was only like, what was it? Like 18, 19 games? No, it was a full season plus a half a season. So it was probably 25, 26 games. Yeah, something in there.
00:50:48
Speaker
I think one season is not enough for me to know if a offensive coordinator is the guy or not. Two seasons, one and a half seasons, two seasons is like, I don't know. I think this is definitely the right decision. But yeah, no, if we can keep Joe Brady as the rest of this year and he looks as smart and as capable as he has and has the locker room and doing his best for the guys, like, absolutely, that's a role. What do you think, head coach? Oh, man. Well, first of all, I want to piggyback on what you just said because I agree.
00:51:19
Speaker
I would take him. I love his vibe. I love the way that he communicates to the players. His press conference where they asked him questions about that mix-up, miscommunication between Gabe Davis and Josh Allen, he knows what happened. But he immediately pointed the finger at himself, took the ownership on all of that, which is something that I feel like I've been lacking from Sean McDermott in a lot of ways, accountability.
00:51:49
Speaker
Man, he always starts every press conference saying it starts and ends with me. He does. He doesn't change it. He doesn't change his actions, but he does own up to it. Yeah, maybe that's the bigger part of it. It's one thing to...
00:52:04
Speaker
talk is cheap, right? You know, it's actions. I think he says it. And it's just, man, we keep finding ourselves in the situation. That's what I'm upset. So maybe me saying that about Joe Brady is me just having Joe Brady goggles on, which could be the case. But I took goggles for right now. So I don't blame.
Final Verdict on McDermott's Coaching Role
00:52:20
Speaker
But I would I would agree with you, man. Like if somebody if somebody in my scenario that I post to you, if somebody came up and said, OK, Nigel,
00:52:29
Speaker
you have to choose right now. He's either gone from the team completely or he is locked in as the OC for next year. I'm signing up to take him as the OC for next year at this point. Now, we keep cheating a little bit because we throw the caveat out there for everything that we want to see the rest of this season goes. But the big thing that I see with Joe Brady, and we talked about it a little bit last pod, but
00:52:54
Speaker
Catering the scheme to his players, not the players catering to the scheme. Putting what he has, which is a good amount of weapons, in the best positions to succeed. That includes utilizing 17's legs, right? Things like that. Like utilizing the strengths that are on this team right now, which for me are offensively speaking. Josh Allen, his arm and his legs. James Cook.
00:53:20
Speaker
Every piece of Josh, every piece of Josh Allen, Stefan Diggs. Yeah. Dalton Kincaid, James Cook. Those four for me right now are the clear Shakir, clear Shakir is another big one. And I, I put opening the door. He stuck his foot in the door and got me. He is. I put him in just a hair below those four tier for me in terms of like the value they can bring.
00:53:49
Speaker
but like yeah I don't know man but my point with all this he's putting all these guys utilizing their skill sets the right way to put them in the best position to succeed so that for me is the biggest thing you never saw that from Ken Dorsey you just saw the same vanilla offense over and over again and not like
00:54:09
Speaker
At the end of the day, dude, we're never going to know who it was, whether it was I would imagine it was Dorsey because it's not happening now. But whether it was McDermott or Dorsey, who was like, Josh, stop running. Right. Like whoever made that call, they need to be fired to the moon. Right. And it seems like it was Dorsey because Josh is using his legs again now.
00:54:31
Speaker
But all this to say, to put a bow on it, I just like the fact that Joe Brady seems to cater his offense to his players and the weapons that he has, which, you know.
00:54:42
Speaker
We do that as band directors, right? Like if we're going to pick a piece of repertoire, we don't, you know, I teach little, little kids, you teach middle school kids. We don't pick a piece of music that's got an insane bassoon solo, right? Unless maybe do you have a sick bassoon player? God, I wish. Me too. But I do not. So I'm not going to pick that piece of music, even if it's a piece of music that I think is sick.
00:55:05
Speaker
right like you know you gotta you gotta use what you have and you have to use it the right way so and so far it looks like he's doing that so i agree and then if he continues even if maybe um a really smart coach that we go up against because we're playing against good teams we're playing against the chiefs the cowboys um we're playing bill balacheck again as much as you can say about bill balacheck he's still a smart coach um we're playing the dolphins whose defense has been playing really well like there's gonna be some tests here that we're gonna know it's not just that we're playing some pansy off on defenses like
00:55:35
Speaker
Brady's Brady's got a gauntlet to go through. And if he goes through and succeeds, then I'm feeling pretty good about him. Yeah. Do you think there's a world where he could be the head coach next year? You touched on a little bit, but I mean, there's a world, but then we go into that same problem of any new head coach. This is, I mean, this is Sean McDermott's first head coaching opportunity.
00:55:53
Speaker
Does, does Joe Brady have the same problems? Can he hire a staff? Does he know enough people to hire a staff? Can he run a locker room? Does he poop his pants when he has to make in-game decisions too? Like, I don't know. You know, that's my thing. So I, as much as I like him, I think he should absolutely be a candidate if we're ready to move on from Sean McDermott. And the season goes as we don't want it to and things fall apart and.
00:56:17
Speaker
They look ridiculous, but he should absolutely be interviewed and happy in the process. I just right now I'm not like ready to hand the keys over.
00:56:25
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, dude, it is. It is. It's so crazy to think about because, yeah, he should be a candidate. But you're right. Same story like he's it would be his first time as a head coach. Like who knows? I would probably lean towards somebody like we don't want to just get lucky and hope we get the next Nick Sirianni. Yeah, I'd want to go and get especially if we're saying that, hey, we don't want to waste Josh Allen's prime. We are. We have a great roster. We need to go capitalize now. I don't want to wait three seasons.
00:56:54
Speaker
Um, I want, like, I want, I want to go in and get a coach who's going to come in and win, take this elite roster and go and win. If that's, that's the change we're making. I don't know who that is. Um, I've saw somebody throw on Bruce Arians. I don't know if I want him, right? No. Yeah. And I saw that as like, Hey, we should go get Bruce Arians. He's a successful offensive minded coach. I agree. But who else then? I don't know. We can, this is going to be an off season conversation once we have that information, but
00:57:19
Speaker
I don't know, dude. This has been pretty good, though. I'm hoping everybody at home, I definitely feel a little bit better about my where I stand, thinking that, you know, I think I want Sean to stay and I want to see how the rest of the season goes. And depending on how it does, I'll have more refined opinions. And I'm hoping everybody out there does, too. Yeah, yeah, for sure, dude.
00:57:40
Speaker
I don't know that I feel better. I still feel very confused about a lot of things, but I just, I just in my gut don't feel like Sean is, is, is the guy, but I would love for him to prove me wrong, man. Right. I think we all would. So I don't know. Well, anyway, thank God we don't have any Buffalo bills football football to give us some heartbreak this weekend. We got a little bit of a week off for our cardiac health.
00:58:03
Speaker
And we get the Chiefs next week, so we'll be back. There's some rumors and some talks that maybe we'll have a similar Sabers focus pod next week. We'll see if that happens. But if not, we're definitely going to be coming in and getting ready to prep for Sabers week next week and getting ready for the Chiefs.
00:58:20
Speaker
Thank you all so much for hanging out for us on this beautiful Saturday morning with a little coffee pod. It would mean a lot to us if you would please share this episode, give us a like, give us a review on Spotify. Like honestly, we want to share this with as many people as possible, particularly this kind of episode where
00:58:38
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We're helping all of us, like all of you and ourselves, hopefully have a better opinion and more informed opinions and more refined opinions on what we feel about this team, this team that kind of tugs at our heartstrings. So these are my, well, please give us a follow and a like at Instagram and accent. Let's Go Buff Pod. That's my pal, Nigel. My name is Tom and you're listening to the Let's Go Buffalo podcast. We're sending you love wherever you are. Go Bills, Go Sabres, Let's Go Buffalo.