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FC2O Episode 4 - Dr Sherri Tenpenny
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Sherri is one of the best-known critics of vaccination. In 2000, Sherri attended a 4-day conference questioning the benefit:risk ratio of vaccination. This prompted her to dig a little deeper into the field of vaccination research… and what she found has kept her digging ever since.
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Introduction to Polarizing Societal Topics
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abortion, things like same-sex marriage, things like climate change and global warming. I mean, so there are things that are big issues that people have a lot of attitudes and beliefs about and opinions that tend to be polarizing. And I can hardly think of it. And above those ones that I just said, I think that vaccination probably tends to be the largest, most polarizing because it involves your children.
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Guest Introduction: Sherry Tenpenny
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Welcome to FC2O with me, Matt Walden and my guest today, Sheri Tempani. Sheri is one of the world's best known critics of vaccination. With her background in emergency medicine, Sheri spent 12 years working in a way any other doctor would, applying her training to best help her patients. As a director of an emergency medical department, seeing over 35,000 patients per year and sitting on the executive committee of the hospital for 12 years, Sheri was immersed in mainstream medicine.
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eventually opening her own clinic to turn her focus more towards preventative medicine with nutrition and lifestyle interventions. Then in 2000 Sherry attended a four-day conference questioning the benefit-resc ratio of vaccination. This prompted her to dig a little deeper into the field of vaccination research and what she found has kept her digging ever since.
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In this podcast, we ask Sherry to argue the case for vaccination, to answer several of the critiques of her own work, and to provide a little insight into some of the more controversial and high-profile aspects of vaccination. As always, there are show notes on matwarden.com under the podcast tab. Enjoy the show. Here we go.
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I just wanted to preface this podcast with a little bit of discussion around my own position with regards to vaccination.
Matt's Ambiguous Stance on Vaccinations
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I want to be quite clear, I don't know what is right or what is wrong with regards to vaccination. I've studied it a fair bit. I've studied the pro-vaccination literature, which of course is very inspiring, very impressive.
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The whole story of vaccination seems to be one of healthcare's most or let's say greatest success stories. But there is a huge raft of evidence that suggests that actually those success stories are not due to vaccination at all or if they are only in small part.
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And this is not from conspiracy theorists or quacks or alternative medicines. This is from the very data that the medical authorities have provided showing decreases in infectious disease before
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the vaccines were introduced and then the vaccines being given credence for those reductions. So this is one of the things that concerns me. Now if we can trust the people who produce the vaccines and the medical profession and the researchers that they educate, in other words the people who produce the vaccines, educate, then we
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should be onto relatively solid ground. However, if we have doubt, then we must investigate further. And I have doubt.
Recollections and Doubts in Medical Training
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When I posted about this podcast on a forum with some of my osteopathic colleagues, I hit a barrage of abuse, not just abuse of Dr. Tempenny as a fear monger, but also abuse of me for giving her air time, questioning my intelligence and suggesting I should have listened better in immunology class.
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but the problem is I did listen in the immunology class and as part of the training that we went through on our degree we were taught not only about vaccination but our lecturer in his wisdom asked if we could do a debate and we'd have a pro-vaccination person to extol the benefits of vaccination to the class and try and convince us that vaccination was what we should be doing and we had someone who should give an anti-vaccination
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got a platform and explained why we shouldn't be vaccinating. Now the pro-vaccination girl went first and she did a great job and by the end of it you're thinking this is a miracle kind of intervention that we've come up with. But then the anti-vaccination guy had done his research and he presented
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counterpoints that were not only stronger but also more evidence-based and far more convincing than the initial speaker. So that was the first thing that raised my eyebrows and actually quite concerned me because that's an uncomfortable position to be in. So this was my first exposure to the possibility that what I knew about vaccination and seemingly everyone else knew was perhaps not as clear cut as we all had once hoped.
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years that followed i kept an eye on both the pro and the anti-vaccination literature coming to a head when in 2005 my wife fell pregnant with our daughter and so then of course my investigations went into overdrive because i knew this was imminent and it was looming and i have to say i investigated not just the pro-vaccination uh literature that i was being handed by my doctors and could search on things like medline and so on
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But I also looked at the anti-vaccination literature which, as I've already said, was quite compelling. And then I thought, well, I should dig even deeper and try and find out what the anti-anti-vaccination people are saying. So the people that are against the anti-vaccination crowd.
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And to be frank, all that I could find from that anti-anti-vaccination crowd was ad hominin attacks and character assassination. So it was trying to question the qualifications of these people. It was trying to question their quotes, their background, their expertise. But none of it was actually countering the points that they were made
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on the data they have provided and that really concerned me. I got really stuck. I recall explaining that in quite some detail that there's a real conundrum of my research to my stepbrother who isn't in a medical field and I was just explaining to him all the stats which really show that we really have to question the benefits of a vaccination and that there is a degree of risk with any medical intervention.
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and I remember him saying well you know to me it sounds like either way you have a relatively low risk and I think that's one thing that we have to bear in mind is that both approaches are pretty darn low risk whether you decide not to vaccinate or to vaccinate so that's that's true
Deciding on Children's Vaccination: Risks and Reflections
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But suddenly, as you'll hear us discussed here, there's very little risk from many of the infections we're encouraged to be vaccinated against. And when it's realized that for a single vaccine, a pharmaceutical company can make upwards of $40 billion for one vaccine that gets to market,
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There's strong potential for research and reporting bias as well as a kind of sell now, pay later culture. In other words, let's get it out to market and if there's issues, well, we'll have to sort that out down the line. But the interesting thing with vaccinations is that they don't have to sort it out down the line. They're exempt. So Dr. Tempenny will touch on that in the presentation.
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So where I reached in my own thinking was that it seemed that there were risks, albeit low risks, in either direction. The choice really was what would sit better with me, and that is to injure my child through omission or through commission. If it were to be the latter, through commission, then so be it. But if it were to be the former,
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other words, through a mission, through not giving a vaccination, then what we have to do is to take responsibility, which is literally speaking the ability to respond, responsibility. Do we know what signs and symptoms to look for, for example? Do we know what action to take and when if an infection or a more serious kind of medical emergency arises? Now,
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A couple of years later when my son was born he actually did go on to develop encephalitis which is a serious life-threatening bacterial infection of the brain very similar to meningitis when he was 18 months of age. Now there was no vaccine for encephalitis so you hadn't had one but neither had you had a vaccination for similar conditions such as meningitis though I've often wondered how I would feel if you'd experienced such a scary potentially life-threatening condition that we could potentially have prevented.
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Now, I know many children who are unvaccinated, who are high functioning, who are very healthy, very active, coordinated and athletic. But I also know many children who are vaccinated and have exactly the same profile.
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That doesn't tell us anything, of course, and it's only one person's experience. But what I do know is that I also am aware of children who have been vaccinated and are seemingly irreversibly damaged. I know that autoimmune diseases are going through the roof in terms of their incidents. There's something going on with our immune systems, which is very untoward.
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I also know that ASD, autistic spectrum disorder, is on an unprecedented trajectory where we will have more people on the spectrum, on the autistic spectrum, than are not on the spectrum in the next decade or so. That's how crazily rapid the expansion of autistic spectrum disorder is becoming. So there's something that's affecting our brains
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may not be vaccinations, it may be all kinds of other
Health Issues and Technology: Are They Connected?
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things. Wi-Fi is one possibility, pesticides is another possibility, even ultrasound to babies in the womb is one possibility that could be driving this. Because one of the things that's been known for a long time is that ultrasound increases the risk of left-handedness and left-handedness has gone up dramatically across the last 50 to 70 years.
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and it seems that, certainly, ultrasounding a baby in the womb seems to have some effect on brain function.
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Like I say, there's obviously something going on. I don't know what it is, but from what I can make out, vaccination is both a success while being hugely overinflated in its benefits. It's really not nearly as successful as I think mainstream medicine would like you to believe. And mainstream medicine, of course, is largely funded by the pharmaceutical industry.
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But vaccination is also a failure too. It's failing all of those whom have had acute vaccine reactions and an unknown number more who will experience longer term effects as yet not studied or understood. So we have a long way to go with this. The risks and the responsibilities must be taken on either side, whether that be by commission or omission.
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So welcome to FC2.0 with me, Matt Worden, and my guest today, Sherry Tenpenny. Welcome, Sherry.
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Welcome. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for having me. Excellent. No, thank you very much. Obviously, I've known about your work for quite a period of time. I think I probably first saw your work around shortly after 2000, I think. But I've been interested in vaccination as a health care professional myself. Even when I was training in the 90s as an osteopath and a naturopath.
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I remember going to talk by a group called the informed parent and they were a group that they quoted a lot of Vera Shrivener's research. I think she was one of the sort of early people to question vaccination. And then I also knew of Lyn McTaggart's work and her vaccination bible and so on. So I was reading that amongst
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amongst the sort of normal medical literature. But I suppose it doesn't seem to become much of a pressing concern until you get to the point where you have to start to make decisions about vaccination for children and so on, or for yourself potentially. And so, you know, I wanted to start out by asking you about this reality, which is what's called cognitive dissonance.
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Well, yeah, it's really a struggle when people hear something new. And there's a definition that I really like, and I'll just read the definition. It is, cognitive dissonance is a physical state of tension. So it's something that physically occurs in your body.
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that occurs whenever a person struggles with two ideas, attitudes, beliefs, or opinions that are in deep opposition. And that the need to straighten that out is so powerful that a person will do almost anything to resolve it. So I've often thought of cognitive dissonance visually because I'm a pretty visual person, as if you were standing on a
Journey into Vaccination Skepticism
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rowboat
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And he had one foot in the rowboat, and he had the other foot on the pier, on the dock. And the rowboat's kind of like drifting apart. And now you've got this physical sensation of what am I going to do? Am I going to hop on the pier, or am I going to hop in the boat, or am I going to fall in the water? Because it's really floating apart, and it's really causing me a physical sensation of fear.
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Well, mental cognitive dissonance does the same thing when you come up with an attitude, a belief, or an idea, or some sort of opinion. And it's something that is diametrically opposing and something like the concept of vaccination.
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And there are lots of other things that can cause deep, deep problems with cognitive dissonance too. Things like abortion, things like same-sex marriage, things like climate change and global warming. I mean, so there are things that are big issues that people have a lot of attitudes and beliefs about and opinions that tend to be polarizing. And I can hardly think of, and of those ones that I just said,
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I think that vaccination probably tends to be the largest, most polarizing because it involves your children. Yeah. I was going to say, isn't that interesting that when we have to make a decision for someone else and someone else that we love as much as our children, it's no surprise that that's going to create a huge amount of emotional drive.
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I guess the part of the reason that I've seen a lot of polarisation in this field when I've talked about it with colleagues and so on, of course in this internet era there's lots of forums where these things can be discussed and it does bring out absolutely the
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most polarized views. But if you think about it then you know most of the people contributing have children or are in the process of having children and so therefore they've made a decision for someone and not an easy decision as you're well versed in explaining but you know they've made that decision so then once they've made the decision then they have to essentially justify it to themselves and
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I guess that's the key thing that they are defending is that they made the right decision. That's a really good point and I think you're exactly right because
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Once parents have, cause I've seen it, you know, I've just, just a little bit of my background for your listeners who may not know who I am or where I come from. I'm an American trained osteopath, which is like being an MD and a chiropractor together. So an American trained osteopath can be a neurosurgeon or an obstetrician, or for myself, I was the director of an emergency department for 12 years. And I've had people accuse me saying, Oh, you were a paramedic. No, I was a doctor and I was the director of the emergency department for 12
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years in a large community-based hospital. We saw about 35,000 ER visits per year. And we partnered with a large hospital up the street that had a helicopter transport system. And I was the director of a three-county mental health transportation board that involved
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the sheriff's department, the police department, and the state highway patrol. I was the president of our ER group. I was on the executive committee of the hospital for 12 years. And so I've done all of the mainstream conventional stuff here in America that there is to do. Now, I was born into a chiropractic family so that my grandfather, my father, three uncles, and two cousins were chiropractors. So my first chiropractic adjustment was when I was about three days old.
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So, I grew up with manual medicine, manipulation from chiropractic perspective. And so, when I made the decision that I wanted to become a physician, it was a pretty easy step and a transition for me to want to be an osteopathic physician as opposed to an MD allopathic physician because I wanted that manual medicine in my toolbox.
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So I was the director of an ER for 12 years. And then I moved to Cleveland in 1996 and I opened an integrative medical practice, which meant that we talked more about prevention and nutrition, lifestyle. I was able to do all my hands on osteopathic medicine.
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In fact, in America, we call that being a 10-fingered osteopath because most osteopaths here just practice as an allopath. So we didn't do that. And then I got trained in medical acupuncture through the UCLA medical acupuncture course for physicians. And so my practice had a lot to do with pain management. So I did prolotherapy and neurotherapy.
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mannitol injections and acupuncture and osteopathy. And we do a lot of cranial osteopathy with children. And so that's my background. And one day in, oh, I don't know, probably March of 2000, I got a flyer that came in the mail for a conference in Washington DC that was sponsored by the National Vaccine Information Center. And every time I went to throw that brochure away off of my kitchen counter, somehow I was like, eh, I better just hang on to that a little bit.
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And I have no idea really, other than from a big spiritual reason, that I was really, I was drawn into doing this. Because after all these years of doing it, I say, some things you pick and some things pick you. Well, this one definitely picked
Research into Vaccines and Cognitive Dissonance
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me. And there have been times in my life when I've said, God, why did you give me this thing to do? Why didn't you give me the Tony Robbins go team, Ra-Ra thing to do? That would have been so much easier and less contentious and less arguments.
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But here I am and I ended up going to that meeting and I came back and I said, how did I miss this? I sat through four days of PhD researchers, MDs, parents, all kinds of people just giving all kinds of great lectures. And I came home and I said, maybe I ought to look into this a little bit because I was not vaccinated as a child. I had all the age appropriate measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox. I had pertussis twice.
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And I'm 61 years old and I think it's one of the reasons why I'm so healthy is that I had all the age-appropriate Infections that taught my immune system how to be healthy from a very early age and then we ate well I grew up on a farm I had chiropractic from the time I was growing up and so I went to this conference I came home and I said well there must be something to this and
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And the first paper that I read was the general recommendations of vaccination. It was the 1998 version of that. The CDC puts out that paper about every two to three years. And this was in September of 2000. And when I read the 1998 version, I said,
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This can't be it. I mean, honestly, this cannot be what this whole industry is built on. It's poorly written. It's kind of like slapped together. It has no basis in anything. And the CDC's only references are the CDC. I mean, how does that happen? It'll be legitimate.
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They're not referencing anybody else. So I thought maybe I ought to dig into this a little deeper. Well, the digging into it a little deeper has led to tens of thousands of hours of research, and that is not an exaggeration. 19 years of my life that I spend almost, I would say 90% of my waking hours is spent researching, writing, and putting together information on problems associated with vaccination.
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And I have gathered together a collection of articles only from peer-reviewed mainstream medical journals of more than 10,000 articles showing problems associated with vaccines. And it's every single vaccine and every single ingredient. And so when I start digging through the science, the real science, because it's peer-reviewed literature
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And and for the pro-vaccine people to say you people are anti-science. There's no science They're just flat out wrong and I do a radio show every other week called vaccine science bites and we take two to four articles every week and drill down and discuss them and these are only from peer-reviewed mainstream medical journals and at the end of that
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The conclusion is always, people who stand up so strongly in favor of vaccination have never bothered to take a deep dive. And I say these people are illiterate. They're just illiterate. And they don't bother to read anything that may cause them cognitive dissonance, which is where we started this sentence, started this paragraph.
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Right, right, okay. Fascinating background, interesting how you ended up there. So I seem to recall there was a story that you relayed on Paul Chex podcast about a traumatic experience that you had of a child being vaccinated. I don't want to go into too much depth with it, but do you have someone who actually died post-vaccination in your experience? Was that what you had sort of pushed you down this pathway?
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No, that wasn't me, and I was probably referring to, we have a pediatrician that works in our clinic. Our clinic is Tenpenny Integrative Medical Center. We're in Cleveland, Ohio. We have a staff of 13 people, and I'm always proud to say that we've had people come to our clinic to get well and offer pharmaceutical drugs from all 50 states and 17 foreign countries.
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including the UK. We've had some people come from there. Yeah, we have. And my board-certified pediatrician that works with me in my clinic, her name is Dr. Janet Leviton, that happened to her in her training, that she saw three children die within hours to a couple of days after their vaccinations. And it really put her on a path that she's never done vaccination in her clinic ever.
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And Janet's 65 and she's never administered a vaccine. So she had that sort of a travesty. I didn't have any personal travesties in my life. I mean, I don't have any children. Here's my whole story, right? I'm an only kid, so I don't have any siblings. I don't have any nieces and nephews. I'm sadly a widow. My husband died six years ago. I don't have any children. So I don't have anybody in my immediate family that is vaccine injured.
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I took a deep dive into this purely because when I saw the wrongs that was happening here and I started reading the mainstream medical literature and seeing that people read the conclusion of the abstract and they don't even know what the body of the science says.
Concerns About Vaccine Ingredients
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And the conclusions of the full studies frequently say, vaccines are causing harm, we need to look at this.
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you know, the aluminum that we've been using since the 1920s. We still don't know how it works, but now we've got this entire body of literature showing what aluminum does to the brain and every other cell in the body. In fact, one of the studies that I used yesterday in my V Science Bites radio segment is
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is that the aluminum goes in and causes a disruption of the biodynamics in every cell in the body and primarily in the spinal cord and in the brain. And that is that is irreversible that once that aluminum goes into those cells, it causes a genetic disruption that is not repairable and not reversible. And if a child gets every vaccine from the birth through 18 years of age by the American pediatric schedule,
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they will have over 12,000 micrograms of mercury, I'm sorry, of aluminum injected into their body. And there's a plethora of studies now that show unequivocally that ingested aluminum or mercury behaves in the body completely differently than injected aluminum or mercury. Yeah, I was going to ask you about that later actually, but yeah, carry on with it now.
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Well, it's just that if it's ingested, it goes in through your stomach and gets mixed in with food and for the most part gets passed out in your stool through your GI tract.
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mercury or aluminum or any of the 200 other chemicals that are in vaccines, including foreign proteins, human DNA, cow blood, chicken blood, all these disgusting ingredients. When that gets injected into the muscle of your arm of either your child or you,
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particularly the heavy metals what ends up happening is that the the macrophages come along and pick up that that garbage and they can easily transport it across the blood-brain barrier where it is deposited and when it's mercury the elemental mercury from injected aluminum and I can send you all of these study leaks links Matt so that you can have them.
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I'll make a little note here while we're talking and I'll send you all these study links after we're done. There was a study that was done specifically on the mercury and I believe it was 2012, so it's pretty recent.
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that they did a macaw monkey study. They took 17 baby monkeys and they divided them into two parts. And the one part they gave them a injected mercury on the same vaccination schedule that would be equivalent to a human pediatric schedule.
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And then the other set of monkeys, they gave them through oral gavage. So they put a tube down their throat and they put a solution that had mercury into their stomach. And then at a point in time, I don't remember how far in the future it was. I don't remember. It was four months, six months, a year. But at some point in the future, they actually sacrificed the monkeys and actually measured the amount of
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the amount of mercury in their blood and the amount of mercury in their brain. And what they found was that the ethyl mercury that is injected in the vaccines, the ethyl mercury, it gets cleared rapidly from the blood. But when it's deposited in the brain, it leaves elemental mercury there 72 times longer than what oral mercury does.
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So once it's deposited in the brain by the injected mercury, it stays there. The methylmercury pretty much goes out through the stool. And how I remember the difference between the two is that methylmercury and the word mouth
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both start with the letter M. So methylmercury is something that you eat and comes from the environment. And so ethylmercury is the one that comes in through vaccines. Now they've taken most of the mercury out of the vaccines with the exception of the multi-dose flu shots. However, there are many vaccines that still contain traces of elemental mercury. And there are studies that show that the small amounts, almost the nanoparticle amounts of these heavy metals,
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can be more detrimental and more damaging than a single large dose. Right, okay. And is there any sort of good rationale for that? Sounds almost homeopathic in its description, but do you know the mechanism or is that still uncertain?
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Well, I think it has to do with the ability of those tiny particles and the nanoparticles and the picogram concentration of particles of their ability to navigate in and out of the cells easily.
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And, you know, macrophages and you can pick them up at an easier level when they're smaller. And if there's a larger molecule, they actually have to make a lot of antibodies to glob onto the larger molecule to neutralize it, where the smaller particles have more of an easier transportation through the liquid medium of the cell.
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Yeah yeah okay okay well you know we've we've already sort of dived into some of the detail that we were going to come to later in the presentation but what I wanted to do really before we get too deep
Questioning Vaccine Success Narratives
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into that is to do an approach called steel manning as opposed to straw manning so this is the idea that you
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look at the whole discussion from your opponent's position and you try to reinforce their own argument. So when we look at vaccination, of course the way I was trained in vaccination and my reading in medicine and so on, right the way up to the point I started to get to expose to some of these other views.
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Of course, it's one of the greatest inventions in medicine, one of the greatest success stories. The infectious disease has dramatically reduced globally since the introduction of vaccination and so on. Can you elaborate on that discussion a little bit and what you understand of, let's say, the standard narrative around vaccination?
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Well, if you actually pull out any of the charts, and they're all over the internet, you can find them anywhere. But Dr. Suzanne Humphrey's book, Dissolving Illusions, she has them kind of compiled all into one place. The charts of the actual decrease of these infections. And I really want to stop using the word diseases because that sounds so scary. And what they really are
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Are infections and the difference between an infection for the most part in disease is infection is caused by a pathogen It comes and goes in a week to ten days in the presence of fever and I've actually even written in a little ebook on the importance of fever and how that activates both arms of your immune system and
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And that is what gives you lifetime immunity to these infections. A disease is something that comes and stays. It's like MS. It's like muscular dystrophy. It's cancer. It's something that comes and stays. And pertussis isn't something that comes and stays. And neither is measles, mumps, rubella, or chicken pox.
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If you're immunosuppressed, I know obviously then there's risks at these things. These tend to be the people that have a really bad time if they pick up an infection like this. But can they still become a disease, any of those conditions you just mentioned, or are they always an infection that tends to eventually be eradicated, unless it gets you, as it were?
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Well, the whole issue, can you hold on to that one for just a second? Yeah, of course. Let's finish up what we were talking about. The first part of that steel manning that you talked about is how vaccines have eradicated these infections all over the world. What I was saying is that if you look at the charts and the graphs that have actually been put together by
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World Health Organization, NIH, CDC, places that are respected, that you see that the decline of all of these infections had declined dramatically before the vaccines were even introduced. Measles, we always had high incidences of measles, but we had a death rate of measles of two per million before the vaccine was even introduced.
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So we decreased the incidence rate because what the vaccine did was stop the, it works in a very short term to stop the transmission from person to person. But we didn't decrease the death rate from measles because in 1963, the death rate from measles was two per million.
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Right, right, okay. So all of these, and if you look at pertussis, measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, cholera, typhoid, all of these infections, they had completely diminished and almost gone away. The same with polio, even the same thing with smallpox. When you look at those graphs, they were almost completely gone before the vaccine was introduced, but yet we gave credence to the vaccine for making these infections go away.
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Yeah, yeah, okay, okay. So now obviously the World Health Organization have fairly, fairly, I guess it's fairly broadly known that they have said that vaccine hesitancy is one of the major threats to global health in the next 10 years or so. And why are they holding that position?
Vaccine Hesitancy vs. Global Health Organizations
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You know, is this something that is based around the concept of herd immunity or are there other reasons for it?
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I actually, when that proclamation came out the first of the year, I also, I absolutely found it laughable. And I mean really laughable. Because when you actually look at the vaccine resistant people, even here in the US, it's less than 10% of people who completely do not, whose children are completely unvaccinated. So if your vaccines work, and they keep you from getting sick,
00:34:18
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What are you worried about? For my opinion, when I read that statement, it was the biggest global threat to the vaccine industry's bottom line of money. What I believe is happening is that there are more and more people all over the world
00:34:36
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that are waking up, doing a little bit of research, like looking at, I mean, all of this stuff is available online now. When I started doing my research, you had to pay for it. You had to get my paywalls. You had to subscribe to medical journals, all of those things. Now you can just find it.
00:34:54
Speaker
And so more and more people are looking and going, wow, I didn't know all that stuff was in vaccines. I didn't know that you could get this vaccination and still contract the infection. So I've taken on all the risk of that being injected into my body or into the body of my child. We've taken all the risk and you can still get the infection anyways.
Parental Pressures on Vaccination Decisions
00:35:17
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Oh, by the way, we've taken on all of these risks and we get all of these simultaneous injections. When in nature are you exposed to seven or eight pathogens on the same day at the exact same time? So more and more people are saying, wow, I don't know. The risk of the infection, measles, mumps, fever, cough, rash, gets better in seven to 10 days, versus lifetime of asthma, allergies, eczema, ADD,
00:35:46
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ADHD, insulin dependent diabetes, a long list of autoimmune diseases, a long list of neurological problems and even cancer. Let me see. I think maybe I can keep my child healthy with good nutrition, washing their hands because a lot of these are filth diseases with homeopathy, with biomechanical medicine, keeping everything about their body intact.
00:36:09
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getting them to bed on time, making sure that they laugh and have fun. That seems like a healthier thing for me to do than to take this risk of injecting all of this foreign matter and having a lifetime of chronic illness. Let me see. I'm looking at both of these. I think maybe I won't do some of it. And I think that a lot of parents that choose to not vaccinate, it's a big leap to go from fully vaccinated to no vaccines. It takes time.
00:36:34
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either time or tragedy. Either they have taken a lot of time to study or their first child was horribly injured or maybe even died from a vaccine and that makes that cognitive dissonance go away. It makes that leap to zero vaccines immediate and quick. But I think most parents kind of say, well, maybe I'll just do one or two or maybe I'm more concerned about
00:36:58
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or I'm more concerned about measles, or I'm not so concerned about polio. I know that that all went away. In 2017, there were only 27 cases of polio reported in the entire world, so the chance of my child being exposed to a polio virus is basically zero, so I'm not going to do that one.
00:37:18
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So I think what ends up happening as parents start to wake up and investigate is they start to pick and choose and they start to like back off or they'll wait and they'll see that their child's now six, seven, eight months of age, fully healthy and hasn't been vaccinated. It's like, wow, they survived. Look at that. It's a miracle.
00:37:37
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It's a miracle. They're alive and they're healthy and they didn't die because I didn't vaccinate them. It's a transition. It's difficult because like we said when we talked at the beginning, Matt, is that we have a multi-generational indoctrination
00:37:53
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And somehow we have co-opted young parents into believing that injecting foreign matter in their children to avoid a fever, a cough, and a rash is a social responsibility because of this co-opted concept of herd immunity, which you sort of alluded to a little bit. Because we have come to believe that immune is a synonym for vaccinated.
00:38:21
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And if you're not vaccinated, you're not immune, which that in of itself is a big old wad of cognitive dissonance.
Understanding Herd Immunity
00:38:29
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And when did all of that kind of nonsense start? In the 1970s, when there was a paper that was written that became kind of a cornerstone paper,
00:38:40
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that said that we have to vaccinate all of these kids because no matter how small the number of unvaccinated, there's still this possibility that we might have a pandemic or something from it.
00:38:56
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which goes back to if there's a class of 100 kids and 95 of them are vaccinated, why are the five that are unvaccinated such a risk? Oh, because of the 95 that are vaccinated, some of them may not have developed an antibody. So if they didn't develop an antibody, they took all risk and got no benefit.
00:39:18
Speaker
right so therefore we have and that's kind of the key question isn't it with herd immunity so so um i mean again i think we're jumping slightly ahead of where i wanted to be at this stage but but let's stick with it because um herd immunity so i understand is there is a real thing so it's it's not that this is a made up concept it's not a real thing okay it's not a real thing okay but does does it have a real effect in terms of
00:39:41
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you know, I've heard it described as being like a firebreak, you know, so that essentially if you create enough space between the person that's infected, and when I say space, I mean, in inverted commas by having people around that individual who are immune,
00:40:00
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then the infection is less likely to spread to someone. So the people that are immune that are surrounding this person that's infected, they are acting as a firebreak to perhaps someone else who's maybe vulnerable down the road or around the corner, et cetera. Would that work that way in the natural course of say a measles outbreak or something like this?
00:40:21
Speaker
Well, let's talk about the real definition of herd immunity because it's been co-opted by the pharmaceutical industry. I mean, the herd immunity by definition is the presence of adequate immunity, and then we have to define what immunity really means.
00:40:36
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in a population against a specific infection. And how did we come to accept that herd immunity is equivalent to mass vaccination? Because herd immunity was a real thing when it was applied to natural infection. And it was the first time that that term was actually even used in medical science, was way back in 1923.
00:41:03
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And there was an observational study done by a Dr. Hedrick in 1930 that he observed for 30 years, between 1900 and 1930, that he observed from measles data that if around 55% of children
00:41:24
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under the age of 15 had had natural immunity, natural measles, then the outbreaks generally stopped because it stopped the transmission, kind of the firewall thing that you were talking about, the spread of one person to another. So that kind of protected the very young and the very old. But that's because of natural immunity. Natural immunity comes when you engage a pathogen by your toll-like receptors on your TH1 pathways
00:41:54
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that recognize it, call in the macrophages, start a cytokine cascade, elevate fever. The fever activates the macrophages even more and starts to eliminate the pathogen.
Natural vs. Vaccination-Induced Immunity
00:42:09
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And then at the end of the infectious process, it engages the B cells to start spitting out the antibodies
00:42:16
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to get to take that macrophage pathogen complex neutralize it and make it go out of the bloodstream and the residual antibodies there remember that for the next time that pathogen just might happen to show up and all of that happens inside of the body in the presence of fever that's natural immunity and that's why people who have had the infection
00:42:38
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can have natural immunity into their 60s, 70s, and 80s. But when we have this artificial or medically induced immunity that we bypass all the natural ways that a pathogen gets into the body, the God-given protections that we have, our skin, our mucous membrane, our gut, our GI tract, and we inject that foreign matter with those viruses and or particles of bacteria into the muscle
00:43:05
Speaker
that then gets dispersed into the bloodstream, antibodies are made to get rid of that contamination. And we have made the assumption, and we call it immunity, that because of the presence of this antibody, that somehow that's going to keep you from getting sick. But even in the medical literature, it says many, many times for every pathogen that you can think of,
00:43:30
Speaker
that people can have high levels of antibodies and still contract the infection. So we have labeled those high level of antibodies protective antibodies when they're not. It's like giving them a fake name and calling it fake immunity. So there's a difference between natural herd immunity that really worked and really protected a community
00:43:52
Speaker
and medical herd immunity, which is fake and really does nothing to protect the community because you can get that, you can be exposed to that pathogen and contract that infection anyways, even though you've been vaccinated. And can you just clarify why it's fake because the antibodies haven't formed at all or as effectively or they're not?
00:44:11
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not what's required for immunity. Can you just sort of clarify that? Because it's not what is required for immunity. When you pull out the transcripts from some of these ACIP meetings, which is the Advisory Committee of Immunization Practices here in the US, who are the people who make these big decisions, or the various FDA committees, and you print them out, and I mean they're like hundreds of pages long, and you print them out, and they start talking about antibody.
00:44:41
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And they all kind of hedge and go, yeah, well, yeah, we kind of call it protection and we really don't know what it means. And we really don't have any idea how high that antibody level needs to be to really cause protection because we've seen super high levels of antibodies and people still get sick. So yeah, we don't really know what that means, but we'll just go with that story. We'll go with the story that if you have an antibody, it's going to keep you from getting sick. And that's exactly what it is. And so this is another piece of that multi-generational indoctrination
00:45:11
Speaker
that causes massive cognitive dissonance when you start engaging with the fact that we've been told lies all along and we bought them. And we bought them without questioning. Nobody even questions. They just go, okay, fine.
00:45:27
Speaker
The doctor is supposed to know and the doctor is the person who knows the least about it because they never look at it because it would cause so much cognitive dissonance in their brain, they wouldn't be able to practice medicine anymore. Because if they started questioning vaccination, they would have to question all of it.
00:45:43
Speaker
Well, this is something I'm going to come to a little bit later because I think that that is a real concern for anyone who's seriously looking into this is the challenge of who to trust and what
Navigating Trust in Vaccination Debate
00:45:56
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to trust. And so we'll come back to that later. I just want to sort of stay on track here. And one thing I just wanted to clarify with regards to what you were just talking about is obviously you mentioned that you need the presence of fever for the development of the antibodies and obviously to stimulate the macrophages and so on.
00:46:15
Speaker
Now, at what level is fever, does fever become dangerous? Is there a point where you say, okay, that's too much we need to try and manage this using something like, well, we use paracetamol here in the UK. I mentioned it's similar to Tylenol, is it? I'm not sure on the farm. Yes, it is. But so, is there a point where you do want to manage the fever or really, is it a case of, no, all fever is good for dealing with infection?
00:46:44
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Well, it's interesting when I wrote the e-book, The Importance of Fever, and I'll write that on my little notes of the things I'm going to send you. Right, right. Excellent. Thank you. Okay. My e-book on fever is that there is this thing that goes all the way back to like the 70s that they label it, they call it fever phobia. Right.
00:47:05
Speaker
And they actually even say that physicians are part of the problem with propagating this fear that people think all fever is bad and, oh my gosh, we need to stop this right away. When it's just the opposite is true, almost all fever is good, particularly in generally well children.
00:47:23
Speaker
And that there's this feeling that the fever is going to go higher and higher and higher. It's going to go to 102, 104, which is at like 40, 42. There's going to be 48 and 50, and the kid's going to bubble and boil right in front of your eyes, right? And poof, explode, just like spontaneous combustion. They're just going to go away. And so there's this feeling that
00:47:46
Speaker
that there's this dangerously high level, but there's a gating mechanism inside of the bodies, our God-given body regulation of where it stops. And it rarely goes above 105. Sometimes you'll see 104. It's very common to be 102, 103. I think that's like 37, 38 in centigrade. And so at that point, it's not dangerous.
00:48:13
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What it tells you is that the body's doing a really good job of burning off these pathogens. It's not so much how high it goes that's dangerous, it's how long the fever runs along, how many days because it becomes very uncomfortable
00:48:30
Speaker
in children three months of age and older, you worry about dehydration, and you worry about being comfortable. And so it's more about how long it's gone on. If it's gone more than three or four days, then perhaps you do need an antibiotic, or you for sure need homeopathy, and you need some other things to sort of support the system. And so that's sort of a clue of how long it goes on, is that something else is happening that we do need to have some sort of an intervention. Now the problem with the
00:49:00
Speaker
How do you say it paracetamol? And the Tylenol is that when you give that, it immediately blocks your body's ability to produce glutathione.
Fever Management in Children
00:49:11
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And glutathione is your body's number one antioxidant that helps you to overcome these infections. So what we need to do when you have an infection, you have a fever, you need to support it with water.
00:49:25
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with homeopathy with a lot of vitamin C and I don't know vitamins because humans are the only mammals that don't intrinsically generate their own vitamin C it has to come from an outside source very little of it gets stored in the adrenal glands and as soon as you get sick it kind of like drops to zero and that's the primary tool that your body needs to fight these infections so in terms of fever the only time that fever
00:49:50
Speaker
It really is very serious that needs attention right away in children under three months of age because there is sepsis and there is that, you know, from urine or from blood and sepsis in children under three months of age is really serious. And so if you have a child in that age group that's contracting a fever, even of like 101, which would be, what would that be? 37 maybe? 38? I'm not sure.
00:50:18
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You need to get medical attention at that point. If your child is older and they're running around or they're able to drink water and what we usually tell people to do is that if they're vomiting or have diarrhea and they don't feel like drinking water, it's just feed them ice chips. Take ice cubes out of your tray.
00:50:40
Speaker
put them in a towel, take a hammer and smash them up and just have them put them in their mouth. And if you have something that has a little electrolyte solution that you can freeze, so they get a little electrolytes of water. And as long as they're making urine and they're going to having a urinating every three to four hours, they're not getting dehydrated, then don't worry about it. Let the body do its thing. Let the body do its thing.
00:51:01
Speaker
Great stuff, great stuff. Before we go too much further talking about some of the more controversial aspects of vaccination, of course there's a lot of research into vaccination and a lot of meta-analyses and systematic reviews looking at safety and efficacy and so on.
00:51:23
Speaker
would we not be expecting, again, if we're trying to steel man this a little bit, presumably because the weight of research is landing on the side of the benefits of vaccination, does that not then put the other research that you're citing in a kind of outliers category?
00:51:45
Speaker
Well, what I would say about that is, you know, my husband was a Navy Air Force pilot, or Navy pilot. And he said that there was a rule when they did the final walk around of the airplane before they got the plane to fly off. As he said, there was, in pilot speak, they used to say, if there's any doubt, there's no doubt. Which means if there's any doubt at all that there's a problem with this plane, there's no doubt, we're not flying.
00:52:10
Speaker
And so when you look at scientific research that questions and challenges the mainstream premises which are funded by the pharmaceutical industry and actually when you read the entire body of the research actually you find that you can't understand how they concluded what they did from that
00:52:31
Speaker
body of science. When you actually drill down into it, there's a lot of what you would call mainstream or pro-vaccine literature that should be challenged questions and actually thrown out the door because of the way that it's written.
Critiquing the One-Size-Fits-All Vaccination Approach
00:52:45
Speaker
So when you look at the 10,000 articles that I've gleaned out over the years,
00:52:49
Speaker
to me that's like here's a complete body of science from your journals not from conspiratology.com but from your own journals saying there are problems here we need to look at so I would say as my husband would say if there's any doubt there's no doubt that we need to stop because we don't do you know Matt we don't do pre-testing we don't check children for
00:53:18
Speaker
inborn heiress and metabolism, the whole litany of the 300 of them. We don't take family history into consideration. We don't check their genetics for MTHFR and CompT and VacD and all these other pretty mainstream genetic testings now. We don't do any of those things before we just slam into vaccinate, vaccinate, vaccinate.
00:53:41
Speaker
We treat like every single little human being on the planet is just a cookie cutter representation of the next one. It's just a body that we have to inject. It's the only area of medicine, the only area where we do not take family history into consideration.
00:53:59
Speaker
that they had a sibling that had a horrible reaction, or a parent that had a bad reaction, or that we don't do skin testing to see if they're allergic to aluminum or mercury. We don't take into account that children have to be two years of age before they can fully get rid of aluminum out of their body, before we load them up with all the aluminum in vaccines.
00:54:19
Speaker
We have a one-size-fits-all standardized research or a standardized vaccination program. That's where I believe the lion's share of the problem comes from. We don't treat anybody as an individual. Is that because of the perceived social responsibility coming back to this herd immunity concept? Is that what drives that behavior?
00:54:42
Speaker
rationale that if you just speak to a government agency or a pharmaceutical manufacturer of these things, are they saying, well, we don't test them as thoroughly and we don't do this kind of medical history screening because it's just not effective. It's counterproductive to our ultimate goal, which is to hit this herd immunity figure.
00:55:05
Speaker
Well, think about what you just said. The one number that nobody has ever really come up with, and I've got a couple of teams of people that are working on this, is we don't know what the cost of taking care of vaccine injuries are. Yes, yes. We always see these numbers of, oh, we give these people all these flu shots. We decrease the number of hospitalizations in that flu. So therefore, we've saved X amount of dollars.
00:55:35
Speaker
Well, what about the total numbers of cases of seizure disorders, or lupus, or insulin-dependent diabetes, or all of these other complications, these autoimmune diseases, this thing called Asia syndrome, which is autoimmunity induced by adjuvants, that there's an entire textbook written on that now.
00:55:58
Speaker
We don't know. So the trade off between this one size fits all, what are, you know, to achieve herd immunity, which we've already debunked, this medical herd immunity.
00:56:10
Speaker
We're going to have a one size fits all to make sure that we don't have measles for God's sake. But what is the trade off of that in terms of social responsibility and dollars to the healthcare system for all of these chronically sick children that we have to take care of and treat medically for life? What is the trade off from that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, sure.
00:56:34
Speaker
Well, I think that leads in quite nicely into actually diving into some of these more, I guess, juicy topics, the ones that tend to come up in the media, the mercury within the vaccinations and the MMR and so on.
00:56:51
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with regards to mercury. Now thiamersol is one way to say it and then thimerosal is the other way to say it. I don't know which one's British or American or whatever, but you know what I'm talking about. Mercury is a component of thimerosal. Thimerosal is the compound and 49% of that compound is mercury.
00:57:16
Speaker
We were talking earlier about methyl, ethyl and phenyl groups. What is it that's actually in the thimerosal? Is that... That's the ethyl, that's the ethyl mercury. You said that already, yeah, okay. And I think that there's repeating because people get all messed up with that because there's a type, a specific type of mercury and thimerosal is the compound.
00:57:42
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It also had salicylic acid and some carbon atoms and things like that. So of the compound named thimerosal, that's the trade name for it. It was called myrthiolate when it was first invented back in the 1930s. That Eli Lilly gave it a trade name and started to sell it as a preservative and they called the preservative thimerosal. Thimerosal is composed of 49% ethyl mercury.
00:58:10
Speaker
Now, methylmercury is the environment that comes in through your mouth. So methyl and mouth both start with M and that's the environmental stuff. And I think that's a really good cue to help people keep it straight.
00:58:23
Speaker
Yes, definitely, definitely. And so one of the sort of criticisms that I've seen of anti-vaxxers is the notion that the ethyl mercury is actually an inorganic salt. And the sort of example that was given on the page I was looking at was saying that to say that ethyl mercury is toxic
00:58:50
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because it's got mercury in it is akin to saying sodium chloride is toxic because it's got chlorine in it. And it's just not true. It's a different compound. How do you answer that or reconcile that? Is that accurate what they're saying? It's noise. Yeah. It's noise.
00:59:10
Speaker
Mercury is mercury. Think about if you drop a mercury thermometer or mercury blood pressure cuff in your office here in the United States, it will cost you tens of thousands of dollars. It has Matt to come in and clean it all up.
00:59:26
Speaker
And so this whole big distinction of ethyl mercury is not toxic and methyl mercury, you know, it's just noise. It's just the pro-vaccine people trying to justify injecting mercury into children and saying it causes no harm.
00:59:44
Speaker
I mean, we look at factory emissions, we look at mercury in fish, we look at mercury in the water, we look at it's the most probably studied element, maybe second only to aluminum on the entire planet. And somehow we have to like twist the science and change the language just enough to justify that injecting mercury, because it's still mercury.
01:00:05
Speaker
And that's the study, the McCall study that I'm going to send to you that shows that ethyl mercury in the vaccine, when it's injected into the body, deposits elemental mercury into the brain that lasts longer than any amount of mercury that came in through your mouth. It's noise. It's just noise. I will tell you, Matt, that every argument that you can kind of come up with, and I think you've done a great job of pulling together some great questions.
01:00:34
Speaker
They are constantly trying to manipulate, maneuver, justify this and that, to justify their program. Now, why is it?
01:00:45
Speaker
Why is it that we believe on a global basis that injecting children with foreign matter is so much more important and a social responsibility than just allowing children to live their life?
01:01:05
Speaker
And if you look at the global perspective of children all across the world, and Teresa Dicer and her studies have done this, and we look at the upticks of cancer and autoimmune disease and neurological problems that all started in the 90s when we started introducing more and more vaccines at zero at birth and at two months of age. Why are we doing this?
01:01:33
Speaker
Why can't we take a step back and look at what is of more value here? Herd immunity and stopping a fever, cough, and a rash, or dealing with lifetime disabilities and the cost to that healthcare
Pharmaceutical Industry and Economic Motivations
01:01:48
Speaker
system. To me, that's where social responsibility should lie. But we've co-opted language, we've co-opted words, we've done everything to justify it because the pharmaceutical industry is now a $1.2 trillion industry globally.
01:02:03
Speaker
You cannot, and they have created this myth so that they take children and make them be customers for life of the pharmaceutical industry with their inhalers, with their medications, with their anxiety and all their antidepressant pills. They've become customers for life. The pharmaceutical industry cannot exist and continue to grow
01:02:26
Speaker
on a large body of healthy, unvaccinated humans. It's all about commerce. And if people don't see it that way, you just haven't looked deep enough. I mean, there's lots and lots of books written, even written on that.
01:02:42
Speaker
Yeah, some great books out there actually. But so staying on the thimerosal, so it's still used in the flu vaccines, but it was removed from most of the vaccines a few years back. Is that right? So how much of an issue is it actually currently?
01:02:59
Speaker
Well, it's like what we talked about about the nanoparticles because the World Health Organization actually has a table that they go through and they talk about all the different types of language of mercury. And I'm going to pull that up and I'm going to read it to you because it's pretty interesting.
01:03:21
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They taught, there is this whole language of mercury. Again, it's sort of like contrived, kind of like I said, anything to justify. So before 2003, the vaccines that contained full doses of mercury, meaning 25 micrograms per dose, was tetanus, hepatitis B, most of the DTAP, most of the DTP vaccines,
01:03:46
Speaker
the Hib vaccine that was in multi-dose titers, the adult pneumonia shot, and the adult rabies shot. And after 2003, it's really just that has 25 micrograms of mercury is just the various flu shots. Now, this is what happened. The World Health Organization decided that they were going to change the language of mercury.
01:04:11
Speaker
And they now have different ways that they describe vaccines. They say that it's been removed, which means thimerosal was actually used during the production process, but removed post-production. So it's not thimerosal-free. It still has traces of mercury in it. Then it will say this vaccine has reduced amounts of thimerosal, which means it's not thimerosal-free.
01:04:37
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Then if it says it's reduced and replaced, they started out with using thimerosal. They pulled it out post-production and instead they added another toxic preservative. So that's not thimerosal free.
01:04:50
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And if they say that it's been, so the only ones that say that it's been replaced, that it's not used in the production process at all, is if they say it's been replaced or eliminated. So if it's been removed, reduced, or reduced and replaced, there's still traces of mercury in it. And so that means it's not fimerosal free. So if you see something that says it's a preservative free product,
01:05:14
Speaker
it doesn't necessarily mean it's thimerosal free. And if it says still has thimerosal, 49% of thimerosal is mercury, which means it still has mercury. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So now what? It is tricky. It is tricky. What are the, um, cause it is, is there another term for these adjuvants? Is that the right term or is that a different thing? Well, adjuvants, the term for adjuvant,
01:05:41
Speaker
What an adjuvant does is it binds an antigen to it and it's injected into a muscle in order to increase the antibody response. Adjuvants are an additive. Think of it as an additive to the vial of what's the solution of the vaccine solution. It's an additive.
01:06:01
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to try to increase the antibody response to that vaccine. Right, so mercury is not one of those, and aluminum is not one of those either.
01:06:12
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Aluminium. Yes, I like the way Europeans say aluminium, it just sounds so cool. Aluminium is an adjuvant and in fact, it's the only approved adjuvant, even though there are many other ones.
01:06:34
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Right, right, okay, okay. Under experimental use. ASO4 was used by Glasgow Skill Climb for a while, but it was so toxic, they pulled it off the market. MF59 is used in one of the flu shots for elderly, but again, it's so toxic that they've mostly pulled it off. It's not used in the US at all. It's used a little bit in Europe and some of the European countries, but it's a very, very toxic ingredient.
01:06:59
Speaker
Right. Okay. So I was just about to ask that. So if the mercury has been reduced in some cases, removed in other cases, but it's still present in the flu shots, what's replaced it? And is it equally problematic or not as problematic? I think you just answered that question more or less. But what can you tell us about what has replaced the mercury?
01:07:24
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So mercury was added and it was first added into the vaccine supply in the 1920s. And since the 1920s, it has never ever been tested for safety. And it was formulated in 1927. It was first used in vaccines in 1932. And the story about how it actually became a vaccine ingredient
01:07:48
Speaker
was that in 1930, there were 22 patients in the hospital that had bacterial meningitis. They were already on death's door. And the researcher injected, intravenously, thimerosal. All the patients died.
01:08:08
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And they said the patients were going to die anyway from the meningitis, so it really didn't have anything with the thimerosal. So therefore thimerosal is safe to use. Right, right. Okay, okay. Now that's a true story out of medical history. And so, I mean, that really happened. And so from 1932,
01:08:29
Speaker
we decided that we were going to use mercury, the thimerosal, as a preservative. But what they found in 1935, again, there was a lot of veterinarian study, that when they used vaccines for dogs that contained thimerosal, it was so toxic and so many animals died, they decided it was unsafe to use thimerosal in a vaccine in dogs. But we still use it in humans.
01:08:57
Speaker
I've heard of things like that in other fields as well. It's a little bit like the nutrition, the minimal nutritional requirements for pet food. I think it requires you to need something like 27 minerals and vitamins in, but for human food, it's only six or seven. It's just something going on here.
01:09:17
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just so you know time check we've got about 20 minutes left and we've still got a quite a lot I'd like to get through so I'm going to try and keep it fairly fast paced moving on from from one factor to the next so we don't dive too deep into any one topic because I've got a bunch of questions from people that would love to get your insights as well so if we could just talk briefly about the MMR which is probably a complete misnomer to say talk briefly about the MMR but
01:09:46
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Obviously we know through the mainstream media about MMR and the links that were supposedly found with autism by Andrew Wakefield, obviously most high profile thing in vaccination history.
01:10:03
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But so where do you sit now with Andrew Wechfield in terms of his research?
Defending Controversial Research: Wakefield and Autism
01:10:11
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Because obviously he was seemingly a kind of knight in shining armor for these parents who had apparently observed this link between early MMR vaccination and the onset of autism or autistic spectrum disorder.
01:10:29
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And then, of course, he became vilified as having falsified data. And then I've seen, you know, obviously anti-vaccination media, which kind of paints him in a positive light, pro-vaccination literature saying that he's a scoundrel and that he had patented single vaccine jabs. And so he had a vested interest in his research and so on. What's your sort of overview of that whole episode?
01:10:57
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And we only have 20 minutes left? Yeah, exactly, exactly. And you want me to give this to you in a sound bite, right? Well, whatever you could do, whatever you could do. Andy's, first of all, Andy's researched that the vilified paper from 1998, what it actually said was children with, that have had the MMR vaccine
01:11:22
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appear to have bowel dysfunction and something called iliolymphoid hyperplasia, which means swollen, inflamed lymph nodes in their gut. And when we biopsied it, we found vaccine strain measles virus, which that study has been replicated many, many times in the medical literature, at least 10 that I know of. And so he never said there was a connection between vaccines and autism. The media did that.
01:11:50
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And they vilified him without ever really looking at the the the whole issue and what was happening with that and because and that was 21 Years ago. Wow, and they keep recycling this as as like as this. Oh this discredited It's like you know, and he's gonna be dead someday I mean and they're still gonna be recycling an old paper that they never really read they don't understand the science and I really believe the day's gonna come
01:12:20
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That when Andy still alive that he's gonna be completely vindicated. Yeah completely vindicated. Yeah
01:12:26
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Yeah, okay. Think about all of the pro-vaccine researchers that have their own patents. Are they vilified? What about Paul Offit that's made at least $42 million on the rotavirus vaccine because of the patent that he has? All of the researchers are doing all this research to develop a patent. Andy was a big proponent of single antigen MMRs. He wasn't anti-vaccine himself, was he? He just was concerned about the MMR.
01:12:56
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He was very concerned about the fact of what appeared to be this toxicity of this combination vaccine and that they showed scientifically that if children were given measles alone, mumps alone, rubella alone, the incidence of brain dysfunction, not just autism, but brain dysfunction was proportionally very low. And I personally, as much as I think that all vaccines, the whole thing should just have a complete moratorium and go away.
01:13:26
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Because of forced vaccination by requirements by the military or here in the US for health care workers I really believe that a single antigen MMR should be available Because if you get a blood test a titer test for measles bumps and rubella Yeah, and let's say that only the mumps tighter is low but you have an adequate measles and rubella tighter you have to be forced to get a medication and
01:13:50
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that is not indicated for you because there isn't an isolated mumps vaccine that I can just get for that one titer that's low.
01:13:59
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Right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, okay. So Andy's thing about that, he was an advocate for single antigen vaccines. Right, right. And so the connection that a lot of parents have seen of having these vaccinations and then subsequently the child not only not developing, but actually regressing in their developments.
01:14:27
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What would you put that down to? Is there an easy explanation for that or is it so complex and multifactorial that we can't really say what's driving these experiences of many parents? So if your child got a shot of penicillin and had an anaphylactic reaction,
01:14:50
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That child would wear a medical alert bracelet the rest of their life and never have another dose of penicillin or any other related drug, right? Why does that not apply to vaccines? I don't know. I don't know. Like your child gets a vaccine and in front of your eyes, and even by video recording, you see them deteriorate into brain dysfunction in a short period of time. Why do people say it wasn't the vaccine? They were just going to have brain dysfunction anyways. Yeah, yeah.
01:15:19
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I mean I know of people, my wife works with kids that are on the sort of special educational needs platform I suppose at the school and you know she's heard the story many times of children that were developing normally and then they had the vaccinations and then
01:15:40
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they didn't just stop developing, but they actually regress. And you wonder how that happens. You could understand theoretically that it was just a coincidence if, let's say, autism or one of the spectrum or other learning difficulties emerged at that point. And it just happened to be a crisis. Why is it what comes through that needle is considered holy water, sancto-sink, and above all criticism?
01:16:07
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Because what comes through other needles, you can sue over. What comes through that vaccine vial, it's holy water, it's sacrosanct, it's above criticism, it can't be blamed for anything. It's always the parents made it up. They didn't see it with their own eyes. It was some sort of a coincidence. But if I got a shot of antibiotics and my child died from it, you could blame the antibiotic.
01:16:35
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. One of the things that interested me when I looked at the Vaxxed video as part of my preparation for our discussion, and there was a British couple on there that said that they had had their story, which is one of these typical stories we're talking about. It was put out on what's called LWT, or used to be called LWT, which is London Weekend Television. So that goes out to a proportion of the UK and
01:17:02
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They said that within a few days of that going out, they had 250,000 emails from parents saying they had either exactly the same or very similar experiences. And when you look at those figures, that's an extremely high level because in the UK, even the very best
01:17:19
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TV rating shows get about 13 million views. But something like that, which is just primarily to the London region and it's not exactly the Royal Wedding, which is what gets sort of 13 million views. This would have got maybe three, four, five million views and they got 250,000 emails off the back of that.
01:17:41
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which I just, I mean, okay, it's an anecdote, but it just shows you this doesn't seem to be a rarity. Why is 250,000 an anecdote?
01:17:52
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If you had 250,000 automobiles that their front-end steering went out and those people crashed, would that be an anecdote? I suppose where I'm coming from is it's one person telling the story and they could be fabricating it. But I have no reason to suspect that they were. But one of the things that comes up in that same... If it was only 10% of that, would that make it any less?
01:18:21
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serious? If it was only 25%? No, not at all. I mean, I think the figures are important for sure, assuming they're authentic. And that's, I suppose, the difference between a story and, theoretically, research. But we're going to come back to that a little bit later. But on that same documentary, they talked about autism and how
01:18:42
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It was an extremely rare condition before the 1930s and that the level of, or the prevalence was practically zero in the population.
Autism Rates and Environmental Factors
01:18:54
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It was very, very low, very rare. And then by the 90s, it had moved to sort of one in 10,000, I believe was the date. But by 2002, it was up to one in 250.
01:19:06
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and the projection is that by 2032, half of all children, so one in two children, and 80% of boys will be on the autistic spectrum. Now, do you know if those figures are accurate? I mean, obviously it's a documentary. You have to assume that they've done their research. These seem to be experts that are presenting research studies, but is that accurate from what you've read and understand? Yes, and that's a projection that was put forth academically by Dr. Stephanie Sennath
01:19:36
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who's an MIT researcher. That wasn't somebody that just threw a wet thumb to the wind and go, yeah, that's probably where we're gonna be. This is someone who looked at and made those projections who has strong credentials.
01:19:50
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So, you know, back to what you were saying about the cost of vaccine injuries. I mean, the cost of, if 50% of the population were on the autistic spectrum, the costs to industry and to healthcare providers and to families and to, you know, educational providers could be just, you know, dramatically, yeah, absolutely, you know, kind of speechless. But so,
01:20:15
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What could be, I know obviously this could be a somewhat leading question in the context of our conversation, but what could be driving that? Is it purely vaccination? Is it things like additives in the food? Is it Wi-Fi we're exposed to? If those figures are correct about autism, and we're starting from zero, we've got no idea what's driving that, what are the possibilities that could be driving it?
01:20:41
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Other possibilities and it's actually included in her research is glyphosate.
01:20:46
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glyphosate that's in Roundup. Glyphosate, when it goes into the body, it's irreversibly bound. Her laboratory has actually even found traces of glyphosate in the MMR vaccine and in the chickenpox vaccine. How did that get in there? Because of the high concentrations of gelatin that's there. Gelatin comes from cow hoofs. Cows eat pasture food that has glyphosate.
01:21:14
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And we use tendon and then all, and then there's a whole list of other vaccines that have traces of glyphosate because we use cow blood. We use keto-blovine serum. And so again,
01:21:24
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it gets into the blood of the baby cow that we sacrifice and suck their blood out and put it into our vaccines or use it to grow our vaccines and traces end up in there. So glyphosate is one, but vaccines are something that now babies are being exposed to even in utero. We're now vaccinating pregnant women.
01:21:44
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And about six weeks ago, the Gates Foundation came out again with another $10 billion donation to develop an entire line of vaccines specifically for pregnant women. So now we're exposing babies in utero to all this stuff.
01:22:03
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Right, right. And what is the I mean, I've seen footage of Bill Gates, you know, in multiple different arenas where he's talking on TV shows or to various audiences. And this this same phrase keeps coming up about population control. And we need to vaccinate people for population control. But the way it's phrased is as though we're trying to prevent population growth as opposed to, you know, to preserve population.
01:22:35
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Where does that come from? I mean, what's the context for that? Do you know? There's a lot of context for that, actually. I don't know if you're familiar with the Georgia Guidestones. That might be something you want to research, the Georgia Guidestones. Georgia Guidestones. Georgia Guidestones and understand about, you know, and these people, most of them are, you know, have a eugenicist background.
01:22:58
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And Bill Gates was very big in the eugenicism. Bill Gates's father was very big in the eugenicism movement. It's a bit scary. Yeah. And so they really believe that the population is too big and that we need to cull the herd. And there's lots of evidence about it.
01:23:17
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And a lot of people go, oh, that's just conspiracy theory. That's tinfoil hat stuff. Well, people who use that phrase, it's a, you know, Kierkegaard said back in the sixties, you know, once you label me, you negate me. So they throw that conspiracy theory label around because it's their only defense. Because, you know, if you can call me names to discredit me and label me,
01:23:43
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then therefore somehow you win? No, what actually happens is that everybody, all of humanity, loses because you, who are calling names, never bothered to do your research. Right, right. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Okay, okay. Now, I wanted to very briefly ask you about live versus non-live vaccination. I was watching a YouTube PC the other day. One of the people that sent in the question said, I'd love to know Sherry's
01:24:11
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opinion on Christine Stabel-Ben's work. She's pro-vaccine, but she's done research in live vaccines compared to non-live and says that live vaccines are beneficial and help the body fight disease have lower risk factors. And so then I watched her presentation on TEDx and essentially what she presents is that there are various non-specific effects of vaccination from live vaccinations, such as for polio, TB, measles, and smallpox.
01:24:40
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And she says that that can have a training effect on the immune system and can actually have beneficial protective effects that carry over. So you could have the polio vaccine and it may help to prevent, for example, measles or something like this. Then she says she's got non-live vaccines such as the DBT vaccine, influenza, HPV and Hep B. And she said
01:25:02
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not only are they problematic because they're not nearly as effective but they also have no carryover to other infections and they have various detrimental side effects. So she's you know she said that you've got five times greater risk of dying
01:25:18
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from all causes if you take the DPT vaccine versus if you don't take the DPT vaccine. So I was kind of watching that and thinking well that's a concept that I haven't really heard much about and I thought you probably have heard a lot about and have some thoughts on that.
01:25:34
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Well, a couple of things come to mind. One is the oral polio vaccine, which was a live virus vaccine. It has been said by the World Health Organization and the NIH that we will never completely eradicate polio as long as we're using polio virus in the environment, as long as we're using live viruses because they continue to circulate.
01:25:55
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We stopped using the oral polio vaccine in the US in 2000 because it was the only incidence of still seeing paralysis being induced by the polio virus was coming from the oral polio vaccine, which we still use internationally. We tried to use something called flu mist, which is a live virus vaccine that goes up the nose as a nasal insufflation as opposed to injecting it into the muscle.
01:26:20
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I mean, it never worked. People never got, the body just neutralized it. It just went away. The toll-like receptor says, what is this doing here? Let's get rid of it. And so it never mounted any sort of a protective response. I know that they tried to use live measles vaccine, virus vaccines back in the, I'm going to say late sixties, early seventies in a study that they did in Brazil. And most of the children died. So, so I don't know this person that you're referring to. And I haven't seen that Ted talk.
01:26:50
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But that's been what I do know about trying to use live viruses, because again, we're trying to make any sort of excuse or any sort of twist of the science or whatever to continue to vaccinate. Instead of stepping back and going, you know, this was a great experiment.
01:27:06
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We did this for 200 years. It's just not working. Let's just go figure out something else to keep kids healthy. Because isn't the bottom line end of the day goal is to keep kids from dying at an early age from infections? And isn't there something else that we can do?
01:27:24
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to come up with can't we just say this this just isn't working it didn't work and now we have to like you know swallow our pride and and say you know this one this is a failed experiment we need to come up with something else instead of keep trying to pound that square peg through a round hole that somehow sooner or later we're gonna make it work
01:27:44
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Yeah, yeah, sure, sure. Okay, so vaccines and nutrition, I wanted to ask now, is it plausible that on both sides of the fence, whether you are pro-vaccine or anti-vaccine, that there's a nutritional consideration here? Is it possible, for example, that if you're anti-vaccine,
01:28:06
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and you're dealing with healthy populations, let's say theoretically, a westernized population that, I mean, I say this with some cynicism because of the state of the health of many westernized cultures, but let's say at least they have
01:28:22
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abundant food. If you've got the capacity to have a functional immune system, then is an anti-vaccination stance more of a reasonable stance versus, let's say, a relatively undernourished population in a developing country?
01:28:42
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So the bottom line is, yes, it's all about nutrition. And if Rotary International had spent its tens of billions of dollars over the last couple of decades on potable water
01:28:57
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on sanitation, on electricity so people could have refrigeration, on soap, on all of these different things, on education, as opposed to vaccinating the world. Wouldn't the world be a better place if we had people that had clean water and had healthy nutrition in a way that they had, if they had electricity so they could have refrigeration so that when they did go out and kill the lion, they could keep the meat around for a while. It just didn't turn into maggots in a couple of days, right?
01:29:26
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I mean, the people that have poor nutrition have a weaker immune system and I believe would be more susceptible to side effects from injecting foreign matter into them than they're going to be from the endemic viruses and bacteria and pathogens in their area.
01:29:44
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There have been several studies that have come out recently, like the one you just said. If people get the DPT vaccine in Africa, they're more likely to die of all other causes because their immune system has been suppressed by the DPT. They've had similar studies to that of the MMR vaccine in Africa. Because in Africa, your body's immune system has gotten used to the endemic viruses, bacteria, protozoa, things that are there.
01:30:10
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and has built a natural, internal, real immunity to being able to keep these in check. There is a thing that needs to be said is that humanity has progressed because of its symbiotic relationship with pathogens, not in spite of them.
The Body's Microbiomes
01:30:34
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Now look at all of the research that's currently being done on the various different microbiomes in our body. The skin microbiome, the sinus microbiome, the gut microbiome. The other day I was actually reading about there's a brain microbiome. And so we walking through our living room into our kitchen, our sole purpose is to transport bacteria from place to place to another, right?
01:30:58
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I think I read one time that we have something like three trillion cells and there's something like nine trillion viruses and bacteria inside us and outside us. We're only fixated and absolutely terrorized by a list of like 17 pathogens. And we only do that because we have a vaccine. Now, doesn't that just like put it into perspective of how hysterical this is? I mean, if you live on a farm,
01:31:28
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if you have a dog or a cat, or if you're working out in your garden, or if you're a construction worker that you're constantly being exposed to things. Think about all the viruses, bacteria, all the weird pathogens that you're being exposed to all day long. People get on an international airplane and have recirculated air going from the UK to America. You don't see people walking out of the airplane and just keep peeling over dead because they've all been exposed to all this recirculated air and pathogens.
01:31:57
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We only get hysterical about this very short list of pathogens for which we have a vaccine. And doesn't that just tell you about the multi-generational indoctrination, this cognitive dissonance that we started this program talking about, is all about this really, really short list of viruses and bacteria?
Hygiene vs. Vaccines in Disease Decline
01:32:20
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Yeah, for sure. And just to expand on the nutrition comment that we have just discussed, hygiene obviously comes into that as well. I know we touched on that earlier, but it seems like much of that decline in infectious diseases became about because of an awareness of our
01:32:41
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requirement to wash wounds, for example, or to, you know, cough into your hand, whatever it might be, but, you know, with sanitation and so on and so forth. And, you know, I remember one of the figures that really struck me when I was reading Lynn McTaggart's book was that, you know, in the US Civil War with tetanus,
01:33:00
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2005 people would die per 100,000 that got the tetanus and so of course that's in the 1800s. But in World War II where you have millions of people fighting for five years in a row there were only 12 recorded cases of deaths from tetanus and of those four of those people were vaccinated so there were only eight people that died that were unvaccinated
01:33:26
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But the point being on a battlefield where people are trying to kill each other with bullets, with knives, with barbed wire, shrapnel wounds, all these kinds of things, the mardin, the gore of war for five years, there were 12 cases of tetanus. And yet we insist on injecting our little babies with tetanus jabs. And that just sort of struck me as well. OK, so it was an issue, something of an issue.
01:33:55
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Now we understand hygiene, it really is pretty much a zero issue. Yet it seems to be on every kind of school form. Whenever my kids go off on a holiday with the school, it's like, can they have a tetanus jab and all this kind of thing? Or are they up to date with their jabs?
Health: Terrain vs. Pathogens
01:34:14
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It seems to me that hygiene is equally as important a factor as nutrition based on those
01:34:22
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graphs that you mentioned earlier and that's an example of tetanus. It's all, well two things I want to make a comment about that. Two things. One is it's always about hygiene. It always has been. It's always about the health of the terrain. It's not about the bug.
01:34:37
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Always. And there's a simple study that Bouchamp did back in the day when he took a peach and he had one peach that was intact, had a perfectly intact skin. It was sitting on the counter. He took the other peach and dropped it on the floor so it had a bruise and a soft spot on the one side. And he sat them both on the counter for a period of time. The one that was intact, nothing happened. Eventually it just dehydrated. The one that was bruised within days had bacteria and maggots that were invading that bruise.
01:35:07
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It's about the terrain. It's not about the bug that back that those two peaches were sitting on the counter side by side The one that had the intact skin was exposed to the same pathogens as the one that had the bruise on it But it didn't get sick. It didn't the the pulp of the peach didn't break down and go away It was only the one that was unhealthy and that didn't have an intact
01:35:33
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skin that now was being invaded. So it's always about the terrain. We have made it all about the bug and the germ theory because we can make money off of it. So it's all about that. It's all about hygiene. There was researchers at Harvard in 2004 that came out with a really good paper.
Prioritizing Clean Water Over Vaccines
01:35:52
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This is from Harvard University in 2004 that said
01:35:56
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that the number one most important thing that has ever been invented on the planet in terms of health is clean water.
01:36:06
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not vaccines, not antibiotics, not the long-listed drugs that the drug companies promote, clean water. And then the third thing I want to say is there's a study that came out in, it's a really, really good study. It's called, in 2016, the title of the study, I just pulled it up, is Durability of Vaccine-Induced Immunity Against Tetanus. And the cross-sectional analysis actually says that there are mathematical bottles combining
01:36:35
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duration of antibodies in a population that say that if you've had one tetanus shot, you can have antibodies for more than 30 years without requiring a booster. Why do we give tetanus vaccines to our little bitty babies? It's because back in the day, remember, the tetanus vaccine was developed in the 1920s and the 1930s.
01:37:02
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It was long before we had big hygiene and autoclaves and sterilizing of instruments and things like that in hospitals. And so when they would cut the umbilical cord with a dirty knife, there was an increased risk of neonatal tetanus. That's still true in certain parts of Africa and the subcontinent of Asia because they have these silly customs of putting cow dung on the stump of the umbilical cord.
01:37:30
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for whatever reason. So children in those countries, again, that's all about hygiene, right? And so we have exposed their blood to tetanus particles and so they can contract neonatal tetanus. It's not going to happen in first world countries where babies are born in pretty much sterile conditions and at least the doctors and nurses have on gloves and they cut the umbilical cord with an autoclaved clean knife or scissors.
01:37:59
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Look, Sherry, I know we're running well, we've run over time now. So I want to just round this off, just just by going back to the research and, you know, one of the
Skepticism in Pro-Vaccine Research
01:38:10
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One of the things that we've mentioned a bit already is that, of course, there's a lot of anti-vaccination research, or let's say research that supports the view that vaccinations are suboptimal, potentially dangerous, perhaps unneeded, et cetera, et cetera. And I mean, I've got a vaccination report which someone sent through to me. You might even have compiled it yourself, but it's 326 pages.
01:38:36
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of links and abstracts taking you through to papers that question various aspects of vaccination. So that's not the actual research studies themselves, that's just the links to the research. So there's a huge amount there, you've already mentioned that there's 10,000 papers that you've managed to acquire and read through over the years that's available on your site. But
01:38:59
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there are over a million papers on this that actually study vaccination itself and you would think that okay well 10,000 papers is a lot but compared to when I looked at PubMed earlier there's 1,266,000 papers on vaccination which presumably a majority of those would support the idea of vaccination and this is why you get a lot of people saying you know that
01:39:24
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the kinds of studies that you have and that I have in this document are essentially outliers. They're not relevant. They don't fit with the mainstream. So you've already given your analogy of your husband, you know, doing the pre-flight checks and so on. But there's, to me, there's a bigger issue as well. And the bigger issue is
01:39:45
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the reliability of the studies. And when you have these vested interests, this is very, very beautifully illustrated in the Vaxxed video. But also, even if you want to look up on PubMed, you can find people like Ian Ides, who was a researcher at Stanford University, who studies research to look at how effective it is, to look at how honest it is, et cetera. And so the most
01:40:14
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sort of highly prestigious papers are the systematic reviews, and in fact I was looking at an anti, not an anti-vax, a pro-vaccination website yesterday, and I think it was one that was critiquing you, so I wanted to look to see what the arguments were, and it was making this very point that there's all this research here, and Dr Tenpenny says, you know, how about this study, but it's an outlier study, and they made the point, you need to look at systematic reviews, they are the highest quality research. Well, this guy, Ian Ides, at Stanford University, has been through
01:40:43
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the various systematic reviews and his interpretation of the data is that only 3% of all systematic reviews are worth the paper that they're written on. 97%
01:40:58
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are either repeating old studies, they don't add anything to the literature, or they are flawed and shouldn't have been published, or they're damaged beyond belief. You know, he's kind of got a nice pie chart of it. And you just look at it, you go, oh my God, if this is the gold standards, and he's saying only 3% are actually worth looking at.
01:41:18
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then that million suddenly drops down to, you know, not a lot, whatever that is, 30,000. And so, you know, I have real concerns. And also, you know, the editor of the New England Journal of Medicine, I can't think what her name was, but she resigned a few years back because of the endemic
01:41:41
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funding of research papers and publishing of research papers by pharmaceutical companies showing biased results and inconsistent or not inconsistent but inauthentic results. And she had been the editor in chief I think for about 15 or 20 years and she just got to the point where she had enough of it and she resigned.
01:42:01
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And these are not isolated cases, are they? If you look at this kind of information, you see it everywhere. So how do we know what to trust? And what would your take-home piece of advice be if we were to try and encapsulate everything that we've just talked about today?
Future Plans and Resources
01:42:19
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I think that we have to, at some level, I mean, first of all, I'd really like to see that paper. If you could send that to me, that would be great. I'll send it to you, yeah, yeah, no problem.
01:42:30
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Why don't we just open our eyes and look? Why don't we just look at how sick these kids are? And why don't we look at the unvaccinated kids and see how healthy they are?
01:42:41
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I mean, in my practice that I've had here, I've been in my practice here in Cleveland, Ohio now for almost 24 years. And the kids that come in that are completely unvaccinated are the healthiest, brightest. They've got brightness in their eyes. Some of them are now teenagers that have never been vaccinated. They've never so much as been on an antibiotic like ever. They're never sick.
01:43:03
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And then look at the fully vaccinated kids. I'll give you a really short story, really short. My chiropractor that works in my office has three kids. He teaches, he coaches soccer on his two oldest boys. And he came to me one day and he said, Sherry, these kids, I mean, he said, and his kids are completely unvaccinated. They're never sick, never been on an antibiotic, never anything.
01:43:24
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And he said, these kids, he said, their brains are all messed up. He said, they can't follow simple commands like kick the ball, run down the field and then go over there. They can't do it. They're whiny. They're all got inhalers. Go to a swim meet and you see all these kids with all their inhalers lined up against the walls so that they, you know, when they jump out of the water, they can run over and grab their inhalers because they can't breathe.
01:43:47
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Why do we rely on some sort of meta-analysis study of something trying to again cram this square peg through a round hole to continue to propagate a 200-year belief system, the religion of vaccines and the religion of the pharmaceutical industry,
01:44:07
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When we just look around, just doing your own personal observational study of what's going on, why do we have to go to PubMed and look at all these studies? Now, I appreciate what this guy's saying that only 3% are worth looking at. I mean, the government accounting office came out with a number. This was quite a few years ago now.
01:44:24
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that only 97% of procedures that are used in healthcare, commonly used procedures, 97% of them have never been tested to find out whether they work or not.
01:44:39
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Yeah, yeah. So I think that's about the same number that your researcher came up with that only three percent. It is. But it's because we do it over and over again and because when I was in my residency training somebody told me this is what we do and so therefore this is what we do and we just do it over and over again and nobody's ever looked to see if it makes a difference to the patient which is the person we're trying to serve but instead we're just serving the pharmaceutical gods. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, absolutely. Well,
01:45:08
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Sherry, thank you very much for your time. I really appreciate it. I have many, many more questions. In fact, I feel really bad because I didn't even get to the questions that most people sent in. Well, maybe we can do it again and do it just like one of those rapid fire things. Like a Q&A type thing.
01:45:24
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Yeah, I won't be so long-winded because I felt like I needed to like lay the background on all of these things. Yeah, of course, of course. So maybe we can do another one and we can just do a rapid-fire question-eater question-answer and you can have a little bell and cut me off. Yeah, that's it, that'd be perfect, that'd be perfect. Okay, so if people want to learn more about this whole topic and, you know, want to understand, maybe they want to get in touch with you, maybe they want to look into some of these
01:45:52
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books you've produced or e-books or whatever, where can they find you? There's a new website that I'm building that will be released within the next two weeks that will have everything on it in one place and that's coursesformastery.com, courses the number four mastery.com and from there you can learn about our boot camp course that we do twice a year
01:46:15
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about Vaccine U, that's advanced training and educational courses, about our membership site, and about the Vaccine Research Library with the 10,000 articles that we have, that there will be a link there that goes to that site, that it's a free site. All you have to do is just register with your email to go in and search around and find everything that I've been talking about. So courses for mastery, courses the number for mastery.com. Again, it's under development right now. I'm working with a really great developer to redesign it.
01:46:43
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And it should be up within just the next couple of weeks. So keep checking back. And in the meantime, if you want to go to vaccineu.com, vaccineu, vaccine the letter u.com.
01:46:56
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and sign up for our dollar course, which is on cognitive dissonance that we've talked about this whole time here. It's a short course. It's a dollar. You can see what the layout of our courses in vaccine U are, but you can really get a feel for what's happening. And it's just a vaccine the letter U.com.
01:47:15
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Fantastic. Thank you very much. And thank you so much for your time and for all the, as you say, tens of thousands of hours that you've put in, in this sort of preamble to these presentations, I talk about mastery and the whole 10,000 hour rule. So I think you've done your stint. I think you can be defined as a master in this field. So, but anyway, yeah, thank you very much for all your efforts and for clarifying many of those points. And I'll look forward to talking to you again in future.
01:47:44
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Thank you so much. Thanks for doing this. It's just great. Thanks. Bye bye.
01:47:54
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