This week we kick off a new run of episodes where we hand the guest chair over to the artists coming to Venue 13 this August. First up is the brilliant Emma Smallman, founder of Drum n Bounce and the mind behind The Drum & Bass Aerobics Experience, which lands at Venue 13 for its first-ever Fringe run.

Emma paints the picture of what a 10:30am drum & bass aerobics class actually is — the "joy bubble," the collective experience, and why moving your body with a room full of strangers might be exactly the reset the Fringe marathon needs. No pressure to get the moves right; the only rule is that you move and have fun.

We trace the origin story back to a Friday night in 2012, a bit of drum & bass and some aerobics moves that turned into a Eureka moment, through the first classes in Birmingham and a breakthrough at Shambala, to nearly fourteen years of opening main stages from the Commonwealth Games to the Eurovision Fan Zone. Emma also talks about the wider mission underneath it all—her work as DJ Sister Smalls, her radio show, and her trauma-informed yoga in prisons, probation hostels and recovery settings—and how accessibility and wellbeing tie every one of those hats together. It fits neatly with what we're trying to build at Venue 13: a space that's about community and wellbeing, not just theatre.

Episode 13 - The Drum 'n' Bass Aerobics Experience, with Emma Smallman

This week the guest speakers are us!. We turn the microphone on ourselves to talk about our own Venue 13 show, AI Campfire: Return, coming to the 2026 Fringe. Be ready for a more casual, conversational episode, with the two of us sharing how the show came about, why we are bringing back the concept and what has changed for this new chapter.

We then dig into a major new piece of relevant research, “AI and the Festivals”, published by Festivals Edinburgh in May 2026. It gathers essays from some serious voices in the field, including Drew Hemment of The Alan Turing Institute, and to our genuine surprise Venue 13 and AI Campfire both appear in it. We break down the key points and reflect on what it means to be named in independent research of this level.

Finally we report back from Argentina, where we have just delivered the first of what we hope will be many ecoscenography seminars, an intensive postgraduate residency at the Arts Faculty at UNICEN in Tandil, with Ian teaching in English and Vanesa collaborating and translating. We talk about what the week involved and what this growing collaboration between York University in Canada, Venue 13 in Edinburgh and universities across Argentina and the wider Spanish-speaking world might become.

Episode 12 -  AI Campfire Returns, a Festivals Research Mention and an Ecoscenography Residency in Argentina

This week on Podcast 13 we welcome Philadelphia solo performer Chris Davis to Venue 13. Chris brings us the world premiere of The 40 Year Old Ballerino this August, his first new Fringe show in seven years, and his first return to Edinburgh since 2019.

Before we get to Chris, Ian and Vanesa run through what's worth catching in June across Scotland, with Eden Festival in Moffat, Les Ballets Trockadero de Monte Carlo at the Festival Theatre and The Karate Kid The Musical all on the diary. They also have a bit of fun in an agony aunt style segment about the five types of Fringe goer, with pros, cons and shameless recommendations for our 2026 programme.

Chris then joins us for a twenty minute conversation about ballet, heartbreak, John Cusack and what it means to come back to the Fringe after a long pause. He closes the episode with a ten minute live teaser from the show itself.

This week we are skipping the Climate Change Theatre Action reading and handing that slot over to Chris for an excerpt from The 40 Year Old Ballerino.

Episode 11 - Chris Davis is The 40 year Old Ballerino

This is the big one. Episode 10 of Podcast 13, and Ian and Vanesa use the milestone to reveal the full 2026 Venue 13 programme: eleven shows across theatre, comedy, musical theatre, dance fitness, immersive digital performance, and workshops. Five world premieres. Ten of the eleven companies are making their Edinburgh Fringe debut. Seven productions from Canada, two from the USA and two from the UK.

The episode opens with a major piece of new research from Festivals Edinburgh: AI and the Festivals, a May 2026 collection of think pieces from University of Edinburgh academics and international voices including Brand USA's Chief AI Officer Janette Roush. The paper has direct relevance to Venue 13's closing show of 2026, A.I. Campfire [Return], which is built on the same Alan Turing Institute "Doing A.I. Differently" framework cited in the publication.

Ian and Vanesa then take listeners through every show on the programme, grouped by theme and creative connection: the reimagined classics, the politics of body and voice, solo acts of reinvention, comedy with an edge, absurdist Canadian theatre, and the closing immersive piece on Scottish folklore and ethical generative AI.

The programme is now live and tickets are available on www.venue13.com

Episode 10 - The Full Venue 13 2026 Programme + Here in the Long Now by Isla Cowan

Venue 13 is joining forces with Soft Serve Cartel and Renewable Energy Vendors to bring the Edinburgh Fringe's first carbon-conscious vegan food trailer to the festival this August 2026—and we are launching a crowdfunding campaign to make it happen!

Stationed at the foot of the Royal Mile outside Venue 13 (Harry Younger Hall on Lochend Close), this trailblazing project will run for the full Fringe duration from August 7th to 29th. It stands as the Fringe’s first food trailer powered by a hybrid renewable setup: a combination of quiet, emission-free hydrogen fuel cells and solar panels, complete with electrical battery storage to support heavy-duty festival appliances.

In this episode, Ian, Vanesa, and special guest Nico Barcella (founder of Soft Serve Cartel and co-founder of Unity Doner) unpack why this pilot project matters now. While most festival sustainability conversations stop at the lighting rig, food and beverage operations remain incredibly carbon-intensive, historically relying on loud, polluting diesel generators. This trailer serves as an open-source blueprint to prove that vendor cooking can run entirely on clean power at scale.

Inside the Episode:

 * The Clean Power Equation: Vanesa discusses her background with Hydrogen Vehicle Systems Ltd (HVS) and how hydrogen perfectly pairs with solar to absorb peak energy loads, drastically reducing both air and noise pollution for the local Lochend Close community.
 * Solar in the Arts: Ian shares his history designing solar projects in performance contexts, including a massive 2010 lighting installation at the Coachella Music Festival and bringing off-grid theater to Toronto with Vox Lumen.
 * The Food Line-up: Nico talks about the community-driven ethos behind Soft Serve Cartel and his Unity Doner collaboration with Edinburgh's own Considerit. He previews what's cooking on the trailer—including spit-cooked vegan kebabs, oat-based soft serve, and an upcoming bubble tea partnership with Tempo Tea Bar.
 * Climate Change Theatre Action: The team concludes the episode with a dramatic reading of Undertow, a brilliant short play about environmental empathy and finding the middle ground by Métis playwright Keith Barker.

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Episode 9 - A Hydrogen and Solar Vegan Food Trailer at the Fringe: How You Can Help Make It Happen + Undertow by Keith Barker

In this episode, Ian and Vanesa return from the Prague Quadrennial Symposium, Performing Exhibitions, Curating Scenographies, held at ARCHA+ in Prague from April 13–15, 2026. Gathering more than seventy speakers from around the world in the lead-up to PQ's 60th-anniversary edition in 2027, the symposium explored the rich interconnections between contemporary scenographic practice, curating and exhibition-making.

Ian and Vanesa share their experience delivering a Flash Talk — The Venue as Scenographic Apparatus: Curating Infrastructure, Absence, and Performance — which drew on their work at Venue 13 to argue that venue-making is itself a scenographic practice shaped by the unseen. They reflect on Clémence Farrell's opening keynote, Immersion in the Exhibition Space, and the symposium's threads around immersive design, digital technologies and audience engagement.

Beyond the symposium, they talk about a rather eventful side of the trip: an unplanned stop at Motol University Hospital after Ian came down with a nasty ear infection — a moment that turned into a genuine shout-out to the Czech public health system.

The episode wraps with a round-up of theatre and performance happening in Edinburgh this April and May, and closes with a reading from the Climate Change Theatre Action anthology.

Episode 8 - Prague Quadrennial: Immersion, Infrastructure and the Scenography of the Unseen + Pond Life by Elyne Quan

In this episode, Ian and Vanesa return from two international conferences held at opposite ends of the world, both exploring the rapidly evolving relationship between artificial intelligence and the arts.

They both reflect on Vanishing Acts: AI, Performative Knowledge and Sustainable Memory at the University of Malta, where conversations centred on performance and the preservation of cultural knowledge in an age of technological change.

They also share insights from the Creative AI Symposium hosted by the Creative AI Hub at Toronto Metropolitan University, where artists, technologists and researchers explored how AI is shaping creative practice across disciplines.

Together, they reflect on what it means for theatre, for artists preparing work for the Fringe and for the future of Venue 13 and Future 13. The episode also touches on developments from the XR sector and highlights what’s on in Edinburgh this April, before closing with a Climate Change Theatre Action reading.

Episode 7 - AI in Performance: From Malta to Toronto + The Project Hope by Catherine Banks

After a winter break, Podcast 13 returns with renewed energy as Ian and Vanesa reconnect with listeners and look ahead to the next phase of work at Venue 13.

In this episode, they reflect on the early stirrings of the Edinburgh Fringe season as thousands of artists around the world begin preparing their productions. Ian and Vanesa discuss how Venue 13 is already shaping its 2026 programme and how upcoming podcast episodes will explore the process of bringing a Fringe season to life.

The conversation also turns toward sustainability and the future of arts organisations. They discuss renewable energy possibilities at the Fringe and reflect on the rise and collapse of artistic non-profits such as the Centre for Contemporary Arts Glasgow. With the launch of Future 13, they share their hopes for building a sustainable support structure for artists developing work for Edinburgh.

Finally, they take a look at what is happening across Edinburgh and Scotland this March, highlighting theatre performances and exhibitions you can still catch. The episode closes with a reading from the Climate Change Theatre Action anthology.

Episode 6 - We’re Back: Fringe Preparations, Cultural Futures and What’s Happening in Scotland This March + Laila and the Wolf by Hassan Abdulrazzak

In this special end-of-year episode of Podcast 13, hosts Ian Garrett and Vanesa Kelly reflect on the revival of Venue 13 and the ideas shaping its future, using the Ghosts of Christmas Past, Present, and Future as a guiding frame. The episode looks back on reopening an artist-led Fringe venue, explores standout projects from the season including Market 13 and AI Campfire, and considers what ethical, climate-focused practice looks like right now. Featuring a conversation with playwright and Climate Change Theatre Action founder Chantal Bilodeau, the episode also marks CCTA’s tenth anniversary and looks ahead to new models for climate storytelling, accessibility, and artist support through the launch of Future 13. A thoughtful and forward-looking close to the year.

Episode 5 - A Venue 13 Carol: The Ghosts of Christmas Past, Present, and Future 13 + Appealing by Paula Cizmar

In this episode, Vanesa and Ian focus on sustainable theatre practice after Vanesa’s visit to the National Theatre event on the 14th November in London, where the Theatre Green Book took centre stage in an incredible event. They unpack the discussions, the international perspectives, and the sense of collective responsibility that shaped the day.

Ian reflects on his own past involvement with the Green Book and the broader questions it raises for productions, buildings and operations, as well as his experience with the CSPA in Canada. Together, they also explore what these ideas mean for Venue 13 as it develops, and how their upcoming non-profit Future 13 will put these principles into practice.

They also bring you this week’s CCTA reading: SO BEAUTIFUL TODAY, SO SUNNY by Marcus Youssef with Seth Klein.

Episode 4 - Inside the Theatre Green Book + So Beautiful Today, So Sunny by Marcus Youssef and Seth Klein

At the heart of the Edinburgh Festival Fringe, Venue 13 has always been more than just a stage—it’s a launchpad for bold voices, boundary-pushing performances, and international exchange. Podcast 13 extends that spirit into the digital space, offering listeners a behind-the-scenes journey into the world’s largest arts festival and the global creative networks it inspires.

Each episode features conversations with artists, producers, and cultural leaders who have made Venue 13 their home, exploring how theatre, performance, and live art intersect with community, technology, and climate consciousness. From intimate stories of artists’ first Fringe experiences to deep dives into the future of sustainable cultural production, the podcast captures the energy and experimentation that define the venue.

Whether you’re a festival-goer, an emerging artist looking for insight, or simply curious about how performance can shape the way we understand our world, Podcast 13 opens the doors to one of the Fringe’s most artist-centered spaces.

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