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Ep.102 Nature Data and Digital Botany with Sophi Gardner
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What happens when you give plants a visual voice in the digital world? In this episode, I talk with Sophie Gardner, a pioneering artist who creates stunning visual and audio expressions generated directly from plant data.
Our conversation explores the deep interconnection between plants, creativity, and technology—and how plants can inform our artistic processes in ways we never imagined. Sophie shares how plants “doodle” in 3D space, create abstract self-portraits, and even orchestrate bird-song-like soundscapes. This is more than art—it's co-creation at a new level of consciousness.
We also talk about rest, resilience, and soft power in a world addicted to constant output. There’s wisdom here for all of us trying to live more present, connected lives—especially if you're a nature-inspired creative, artist, or visionary.
This one will expand your mind and nourish your soul. 🌱💫
Topics Covered about Plant-Generated Art
➡️ How plants create visual “self-portraits” through live-coded systems
➡️ Why presence, not performance, is central to creative evolution
➡️ Rest as a form of natural intelligence
➡️ The role of plant co-creation in future-focused genres like solarpunk and ecopunk
Chapters
00:00 Introduction
06:58 Sacred Self and Nature
13:26 Who Gives A Crap?
15:27 Holistic Thinking for Mental Health
23:33 Nature's Wonder and Intellectualization
37:12 Interconnectedness of Human and Non-Human Entities
42:52 Gratitude and Connection in Daily Life
46:39 Intuition and Non-Logic in Consciousness
53:21 One Sacred Earth Project
Resources Mentioned
🌱 Music of the Plants
🌱 flow & echo (Sophie Gardner’s site)
🌱 Personalized mentorship with me and the Plants
Expanded Show Notes
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Transcript
Introduction to Episode 102
00:00:00
Speaker
Hello, hello, hello, everyone. Welcome back to another episode of Reconnect with Plant Wisdom. It's me, Tigria Cartenia. Today's guest is somebody that I think she and I have been talking about being on the podcast for months.
00:00:15
Speaker
And i I'm kind of glad it didn't happen exactly when we started because she has come such a long way since then. And there is so much to talk about in the work that she's doing because she really is a pioneer in giving plants, a digital space in which to share and connect.
00:00:34
Speaker
And there's just so much here. So I'm not even going to spend too much time introducing this episode. I just want to jump straight into this conversation. This is episode 102, Nature Data and Digital Botany with Sophie Gardner.
00:00:50
Speaker
Enjoy.
Tigria's Nature Journey
00:00:53
Speaker
Welcome to Reconnect with Plant Wisdom. I'm your host, Tigri Agardenia, nature-inspired mentor, certified life coach, and the founder of the Naturally Conscious Community. For over a decade, I've been known as a world ambassador for plant advocacy, working closely with plants to share their practical wisdom to help you consciously embody the elements of life that nourish your evolution.
00:01:14
Speaker
In this podcast, I delve into ancient and modern knowledge from biology to spirituality, about the wondrous ways of plants. Together, we'll explore how ecosystem thinking helps you overcome limiting beliefs, understand the true nature of relationships, and live an authentic, impactful life.
Sophie's Artistic Evolution
00:01:32
Speaker
All right, Sophie, this... How long have we been trying to do this? It's been months. So I have a feeling this is going to be so much fun because we're just going to laughing the entire way as we go through this this interview.
00:01:48
Speaker
And so I am so excited to actually get into this. We have known each other now for a while. i don't trying to remember how we met. i think I think I remember you before you remember me because I saw you speak at a conference.
00:02:04
Speaker
It was either... plant consciousness or nature consciousness near regents park yeah near regents park in london and i saw you speak and this is before i kind of started my official journey with the plant art and i just was like blown away by what you said and usually i'm quite shy but i think i actually approached you say hi
00:02:28
Speaker
That was such a great, you know that I still stay in touch with lots of people that that I met there. I've had clients come out of it, collaborators. It was such a great conference and I'm kind of sad that they stopped doing them.
00:02:41
Speaker
But before we go down that route, right? Because there's so much to say about you and your journey because your journey has like taken you through a few different paths as you got deeper and deeper into this plan.
00:02:51
Speaker
Can you just tell everybody who is Sophie Gardner? Hello. So I... I'm an artist. I'm working with earth energies and plants and nature data um alongside other mediums.
00:03:08
Speaker
i I connect plants to circuits to read their electro potentials and get a kind of analog signal and then turn that into a digital signal, which informs visuals as well as audio. So there I'm kind of working with a different kind of visual ah code but I kind of generated some code that allows plants to paint pictures and doodles.
00:03:35
Speaker
So they kind of ah draw ah in three-dimensional space. You kind of get a sense of ah ah kind of the data in 3D. A lot of it looks 2D, but it's a yeah kind of an expression of communication and reaching...
Plant-Created Visuals: A New Perspective
00:03:56
Speaker
to understand more about the data from plants. saying I love it. and And here's the thing that I find that's fascinating because like you said, we met in London and right before plant communication, I mean, pot consciousness, which was that conference you were talking about, I had done the Chelsea Flower Show with a different artist um who, what's his name?
00:04:18
Speaker
Ollie Oliver? It'll come to me as I go. i don't know why I just blanked on his name totally. And he, who was also somebody who was a visual artist and, you know, had worked with the music of plants devices to create a combination of soundscape, as well as a certain amount of video. Like he had this really interesting interpretation that he was doing the video.
00:04:39
Speaker
And I loved when I started to see you develop, you know, I've i've kept in touch with you over the years too, every once in a while pinging you because I really just love how you've taken this in a very unique perspective. I find it really fascinating that where the audio portion, i no offense to audio, I'm an audio engineer, so I'm not digging, dissing or digging or saying anything bad about audio. But what I have found is that those of you that do,
00:05:08
Speaker
visual also aspects in addition to the audio have really taken this connection to plants in a whole different direction. Like where many of the audio people I feel are kind of stuck in human audio, it's very rare that I find people um that are working with the plants using kind of completely different, I think I only know of one artist and he also is a visual as well as an audio artist.
00:05:34
Speaker
But audio scapes seem to get stuck into a human paradigm. And yet video I have found for most of the people that are doing things like you, which is a very small subset, to be honest, i I found very few of you, you're really taking things in a super unique way. And so I'm so curious as to how does it develop for you? Like who informs whom? is it the plant telling you? Is it you trying to train the plant? Like where does it all come from and how does it go?
00:06:04
Speaker
Okay, I definitely don't train the plants. I'm working with cats, you know, herding cats. Like, uh-uh, they're doing their thing. They're just going to do their thing.
00:06:16
Speaker
ah The plants are definitely informing me. And it's like lots of, like, I'm picking around with code, right? it's not exactly video. ah yeah It's its ah live coded all right ah kind of visual work.
00:06:30
Speaker
So what what I noticed is, you know, if I gave them like a 2D space to work with, you know, I'd get a sort of the movement. I give them, sorry, let me rewind.
00:06:43
Speaker
So i think something that I've been playing with that I've not seen before, I don't know if I've seen it before anywhere, actually. but you know there's bound to be lots of artists working in different ways. But and it's ah giving the date the the plants a three-dimensional curvature through time and space.
00:07:05
Speaker
So the the reason I did that is you're literally talking about nature, right? We are nature the universe is nature and the plants are nature. It's all nature. So everything's moving in time, you know, kind of,
00:07:22
Speaker
and everything's moving in curves and spirals. So the code itself started off kind of almost like flat, like given a flat line trajectory, like just dump some colorful elements in here. I should say, actually, so the plants are informing ah where ah elements, ah visual elements, like circles or lines or pixels or,
00:07:48
Speaker
like arcs or triangles or you know square or and anything like that the color of them the size of them the placement on the screen uh how many come out and are seen so and and which direction and what speed so there's really like power of the plant to doodle in in the programs but when i when i started back it was just like let a dot come out, you know, or let the colour change or, you know, like what where's this going?
The Essence of Plant Art
00:08:21
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So i guess I guess the evolution of letting them doodle did go through quite a human lens in the sense of we understand, i you know, written language and visual language in terms of these placements through space across a canvas.
00:08:40
Speaker
um And so I wanted to allow the plants communication to emanate through a medium we could understand to inform us. And I guess like one of the most interesting things I've seen is like, as I've spent time with them and, you know, each choice of like change that, that little bit of code to allow for a bit more space to create bigger shapes, smaller, you know, whatever, as I've kind of gone through the process, I kind I guess I feel super,
00:09:13
Speaker
in sync with them and it's gotten to the point where as they draw, they kind of draw themselves a little bit. Like they're slightly, they're very abstract, but it's like abstract self portraiture.
00:09:26
Speaker
And I don't think of that in the sense of like, oh, ah you know, I'm a human, I'm gonna draw a picture of myself. I feel like it's an echo of themselves. Like they're emanating, like it's holonic or something. It's like inside the energy.
00:09:43
Speaker
is that they are more of themselves. And it's abstract, but it's beautiful. i can imagine. i mean, everything I've seen, i think it's it's that part of getting outside of what our expectations are.
00:09:58
Speaker
You know, it's like, it's when, you know, we see this a little bit with human artists. There are those that when they do a self-portrait, its it's a scramble of color, it's shapes. It's not a, let me draw my face and here's what my mouth looks like.
00:10:12
Speaker
And yet you look at this and you're like, I get it. yeah you get it. and I see you in that. And, and I feel like that's somewhat, like you said, what you're doing, which is ah giving the plants an opportunity to say, here, feel and see me. what When I, I'll give you an example.
00:10:31
Speaker
When I, um, There's a course, a class that I teach here in Dom and her called communication with the plant. No. Yeah. Communication with the plant world and communication with the plant world has one segment of it. That is where we, I blindfold everybody and i bring in different plants and I have you sit with the plant for, you know, a few minutes and then I bring the plant back out and you sit and you take notes and we do this with, with three different plants.
00:10:59
Speaker
And it's fascinating to see the um the similarities between the group of what they write because they don't talk as they write. So they they experience a plant and then write. And then like, you know, some will say plant has to be big with like, I see this color or I feel these and these things.
00:11:19
Speaker
And it's amazing to see the similarities between the people but that oftentimes do not reflect the physicality of the plant. Like they'll see a plant that's really big and it'll be this teeny tiny little physical plants.
00:11:33
Speaker
And I think that that's in some ways what you're capturing with this work. You're giving the plant the opportunity to show their essence without being to a certain extent constrained by sure they're using elements of visuality that we understand circles and lines and maybe spirals and shapes and stuff like that, but not necessarily in the way that we would expect them to come together.
Sound and Plant Interactions
00:11:57
Speaker
um And so that's what gives plants that space. Do you find that that as you've been going, they've been asking for more space? um Oh, that's a good question.
00:12:10
Speaker
I mean, i guess i guess it's when you're, you know, when you're like, i don't know, working as a team, it kind of all blends into one So it's like,
00:12:22
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I get super excited about something. I'm like, and I watch the data jump and I'm like, is that me? Is that them on me? Is that me? I'm like, you know? and then of course there's like interactions and there's touch. I do, you know, some of the paintings, I touch the plants while they're painting them and and and other times they're just painting for, and I'll leave them alone in a room to paint on their own, you know, like have a bit,
00:12:48
Speaker
um there's not many plants in my house that are on their own. i've got, I've got my studio in my house. So, you know, got those plants everywhere. So, you know, are they informing each other? And, and actually that brings me on to like some of the more interesting stuff that's happened over over the course. It's like, for instance, so with the audio side of it, i I've done some synth work and I've kind of like, I'm working in a slightly different system because I don't have MIDI all plugged in through all the electronics and, you know, it's not working, it's literally, I'm literally getting a stream of data.
00:13:23
Speaker
and so I'm then channeling that data into coded environment. So, you know, so the data can play, so the plant can play. So one of the things I tried was programming ah different bird sounds. So I did some field recordings and I found some stock, you know, sounds from birds and this kind of thing. And I gave them an array of different bird sounds to work with different plants.
00:13:49
Speaker
and um And I found what's quite interesting is like, have you ever noticed and in when you're out in nature, how like suddenly the birds make a big noise, you know, there's a big cacophony, there's like a whole hoo-ha going on and who knows what set that off.
00:14:07
Speaker
And then it'll go on for a bit, but wild and then it will shush up again. and it was and you're like, okay, the birds hanging out, you know, like be a bird, that's cool. and that you And what what I noticed is giving the birdsong to the plants inside of a, you know, a house, and they they um they do that too So there's like these cacophonies. So the data keeps going. It's not like the data stopped, but somehow there are these cacophonies of sound and then a shushing in in a really similar way. And it will kind of undulate throughout the day. And I'm like,
00:14:47
Speaker
okay then, you know, and sometimes they don't shut up and sometimes it's all chill. But when I go back and read the data, I'm like, well, it, you know, the plant was doing stuff. It just wasn't doing it there.
00:14:59
Speaker
So it's like, do they know? How did they know? Or to how did that, you know, how does that come to pass? So it's, yeah, kind of. And I guess, so I know that there's some research that shows that birdsong stimulates the stoma. I mean, they're quite stoma to take a while to open right and you know close.
00:15:21
Speaker
That's said like the porous mouths on their leaves that help them feed on light and and such like. So, you know, you hear the birdsong in the morning before the sun's come.
00:15:33
Speaker
and it's like, well, maybe that's just like stimulating them to like wake up and drink. you know, drink that sunlight as it comes. And it's like, you know, that somehow the birds i belong with the tree and the tree belong belongs with the birds. And somehow, you know, i mean, I think in terms of coding a bit, because I'm coder, somehow that's coded into the plants, you know, that's, and that's how they can produce this cacophony effect. And
00:16:05
Speaker
And that somehow that must be like drinking a cup of tea for them. you know, it's like having a cup of tea, like get down with your bird song. yeah And I think that's probably the things that you're starting to capture, right? As you do this, these are those, how do I say this? The connection points, the the interactivity between, you know, different species that we on one hand, don't know how to isolate and understand.
00:16:34
Speaker
And on the other hand, nor do we want to, but we'd love to be able to connect in to that, to, to kind of see, okay. Also, what does it reveal about that relationship? But also what does it reveal about my own relationship? Like, am I supposed to be all,
00:16:50
Speaker
but I don't know the equivalent of that cacophony, which might not be vocal, but it might be a different kind of movement that is more important for me that I'm not doing because I've kind of gotten out of my natural rhythm. And that by hearing this, it's sort of comes to you and comes back into it. Because even we as human beings, when we listen to those, I mean, at least I do, I know this.
00:17:12
Speaker
When I moved into an environment where I could hear, like you said, that that cacophony of sound and that bird song, those moments when everything happens, I've noticed that my body reacts differently.
00:17:23
Speaker
and and And you tap into that. I'm so curious as to if there are other types of for lack of a better term, I'll say relationships or behavioral patterns that you are starting to see, especially, and I'm going to preface this by asking kind of a secondary question inside of this, which is, you know, as a coder, of course, it's a very easy and probably tempting to want to control the sound, like what it is that the plants create. We hear this with some devices of plant music that maybe control it to give it a much more human sound.
00:18:01
Speaker
as opposed to something that feels really as a real reflection. And I talked to an artist many years ago who had told me that one of the difficulties he had was the fact that he was trying to get closer and closer to a true representation of what the plants were experiencing.
Coding for Plant Expression
00:18:19
Speaker
while at the same time not making it something that sounded like screeches and that I just wanted to turn it off as fast as possible. So I guess my question is, do you find yourself, like, how have you navigated and do you find that over time it's become easier or harder or ah it's still something that's a big question mark to...
00:18:41
Speaker
be the coder, so the co-creator, but at the same time, ah co-create more freedom for the plants to express themselves through the work you're doing. Yeah, yeah.
00:18:52
Speaker
So I think i heard those questions along different tangents. So forgive me if I jump around. Please jump every direction you want. yeah Exactly. So it's like, okay, so one thing I want to talk about just while it's in my mind is,
00:19:08
Speaker
quite early doors when I was like, when I did my first exhibition actually, um I've noticed it just before then and it and it actually came up during the exhibition. So it was a bit like, whoa, or in the setup, I think. But I noticed that and two different plants wired to do different circuits, wired two different computers, et cetera, et cetera, but they just have two one leaf each, two leaves touching.
00:19:37
Speaker
So I noticed their data go in and out of sync. And by sync, I mean like literally the numbers were like kind of reading more or less the same for, I don't know, a minute.
00:19:49
Speaker
and And you'd think, okay, that's an electrical phenomena. That's some kind of like interaction. of this ah you know What is that? What's this phenomenon? But then it would naturally go out of sync. And it's like, okay, nothing else has moved. And then it would come back in sync again.
00:20:06
Speaker
And the data is a representation of their behavior. breathing basically the rate like the rate of their being and the i don't know like well it's essentially ah a tiny signal is being sent to them and and and then what bounces back is like how much potential for electrical flow is going on and it's a tiny tiny tiny amount of energy um so you know it's like basically how does that happen you know that that uh kind of the plants are going in and out of sync in these sort of human made systems you know because the if you take the um the pads of the plant you don't get anything you know there's this is a big chain of zeros so when you're seeing data when the pads are attached to the plant that's the plan and yeah sure touching can affect and i'm sure there's like different
00:21:03
Speaker
things that can affect the environment affects them definitely. But yeah, so that was one other really interesting phenomena that I don't like, I don't have any answers. I'm learning.
00:21:15
Speaker
I've often got imposter syndrome. You know, I'm not like the best coder. I'm just like, what am I doing? don't know. I just feel like this huge gravitational pull and a sense of weird urgency.
00:21:28
Speaker
and it kind of comes in floods and then, you know, and and then I crash and I don't do it for a and then it comes back again, you know, kind of artist style. And, and yeah, so this is the, these are the things that I want to kind of keep going with and investigate more.
00:21:43
Speaker
And, you know, in terms of like, did I do that? It's like, well, yeah, I mean, like I kind of, you know, the circuits and the computer and yeah, like, you know, I sort of stuck them into the system. Right.
00:21:56
Speaker
But, what's that? You know, like the question is, what's the extra thing going on that can't so easily be explained? if If they stayed in sync for like, you know, a given amount of time and then only moved out sync when you parted, you know, like it could be an electrical phenomena or, and maybe I'm wrong, maybe oh someone can explain it to me.
00:22:17
Speaker
um But for me, having worked with the plants for so long in different ways, it's like, no, there's a hole there's a whole load of interaction and there's a whole load of in-syncing and connectivity that happens above ground because these are potted plants that aren't sharing roots. I mean, you know, probably should do bit more work with the root sharing phenomena. But yeah, so and so to come back to your question about the code, and so obviously, you know, any ah environment
00:22:53
Speaker
you build has it is in is encased right it's like a screen is only as big as the screen is so when when i code i kind of inform the code like don't you know like use that data but please don't try not to leave the screen right so like that was one of the natural phenomenas was i don't want the data to just you know i don't want the information from the plants to just fall off the screen and disappear. I want to see it.
00:23:23
Speaker
So that's kind of what got me going on, like, okay, we're going to have to, you know, send this thing in an orbit. And then suddenly I felt really comfortable with that because I'm like, the whole universe is in orbit, you know, everything's like spiraling and orbiting and, you know, this is this is where we are.
00:23:40
Speaker
So, um and and then in terms of like, you know, like how does the plant inform, the visual content and any audio content, it's like, well, i have to ah have to kind of grab that data and go, okay, this is the the beginning is naught, the beginning is no data, and the top end is like more or less the furthest it can possibly go given the system.
00:24:07
Speaker
And then it's what happens in between. So if you give the same code to a piece Lily, or then to a Monstera plant, Swiss cheese plant, or to a philodendron or, you know, palm or, you know, whichever plant you give it, if you give it that same code, you see these different are kind of flow forms coming out.
00:24:28
Speaker
So it's like, well, yeah, as a coder, I've been like, okay, you can't bounce off screen too much, so otherwise we can't see you, you know, and and and there's only so much color spectrum that a human can see.
00:24:42
Speaker
you know, we know, we know that there's like a ah huge, rich, uh, electro, medicine you know, electromagnetic, uh, spectrum.
00:24:54
Speaker
Um, but we, you know, we, we have a certain kind of, uh, color wheel. So it's like, okay, well, I'm going to have to say, you know, the beginning of the color and the end of the cut, you know, like I'm going to have to hold it in somehow and embody.
Engagement with Interactive Plant Art
00:25:08
Speaker
So like, yeah, I'm controlling some things and some, some sketches, I call them, like some things, okay, oh are very contained, like only draw in black and white and only go a third across the pane. And I want to see this.
00:25:22
Speaker
I want you to write me in a plant alphabet, you know? so it's like very, you know, like very strict, you know? and and then some it's just like, okay, go wild, use everything, go anywhere and just see what comes out.
00:25:36
Speaker
So i think for me, like it's, ah its It's kind of like a space where, you know, yeah, I've got some control, a lot of control, control, whatever. It's like, let's see what the different plants do with that.
00:25:52
Speaker
And then let's talk about it rather than like, you know, sort of trying to decide that there has to be a rule about how much it can or can't. And I think, you know, the difference is, can you see that plant generating something meaningful?
00:26:10
Speaker
im across time in and of itself by itself and then what happens when we interact and like it's funny like the the journey along you know people are like I want it to react I want it to be and like a toy I want it to like I want to just touch the plant and it does as a cool art and that's it you know and I'm like wow you know there's a real hunger to thingify and make toy out of nature and I don't see that as a bad thing i think that that's innately natural like we're playful kind of creatures but I think there's there's like two different spaces and they're both valuable and but for me the the value in and
00:26:54
Speaker
evolving our sense of uh our sense of sensing actually and our sense of knowing and seeing um with other life forms for me that has bigger value because it's that uh deep deep mystic it's the deep deep known unknown I know I'm part of this natural world and I know I can feel things I don't have words for And like I know I can feel my plants around me being alive.
Partnership with 'Music of the Plants'
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00:28:39
Speaker
No, and this is great because I think, I think you've touched on a few elements that are hard. First of all, one part that you said that i I hear it all the time, right? When I work with the music of the plants and I, you know, have these demonstrations and everybody's like, does the plant react?
00:28:54
Speaker
And my answer is always yes. And I realize as time has gone on that, that yes, to a certain extent needs to be qualified, which is yes, there is a reaction, but please don't always think that the reaction is first of all, right away, like you just said, but also that the reaction is in the music itself.
00:29:16
Speaker
in the sense that um just an episode, a few episodes back, episode, I believe, 98 of the podcast was all about receiving plant music. I mean, receiving plant communication in other ways. I was trying to show, you you know, memory and all these other aspects of how we receive.
00:29:35
Speaker
And I think the hard part when we're trying to do things is that, like you said, it becomes this novelty where it's, okay, I'm going to touch the plant and I want to see the visuals change in a certain way. but in reality, the plant might be responding to you in something completely different, something that's even outside of the scope of what
Sophie's Journey into Plant Communication
00:29:53
Speaker
you're doing. It's not a because I touch the plant, all of a sudden, I'm going to get an electrical response, I might be getting a response that's a memory, I might be getting some kind of, you know, volatile organic chemical that gets released, I might be getting all these other things. And I think that
00:30:08
Speaker
for now, because of our own constraints and our own ah kind of noviceness, like we're we're young at this, right? how we so
00:30:21
Speaker
So we're giving you like one parameter. So for example, you know, from from our perspective, we started with this whole electrical signals and now electrical signals have moved off to be sound on one side or something audible. Let me put an audible on one side and another side is some visual piece of it.
00:30:37
Speaker
But, and and just just that already is starting to show us more depth when you combine, like you said, with the bird sound and with others, when you combine these two together, you all of a sudden have a richness. But now, and and imagine there was a device, i don't know if you remember this, so I think of the device was called Florence many years ago, that was, had like a bubble around the plant. And this one collected organic chemicals, like ven all these different organic compounds and turned that into speech.
00:31:06
Speaker
Oh, so it was this really cool. The woman, gosh, I can't believe I remember her name, but I'm almost positive that the program, the actual device was called Florence and used a the Twitter vocabulary, like the vocabulary that they were pulling from was a a language model that was coming from Twitter.
00:31:26
Speaker
And basically the plant would respond through these chemicals. And so can you imagine already bringing those three together, right? So I have this visual representation, this audible sound based one, and then these written words, which are really human-like because once you convert into, and so I think we're going to continue to have these different layers that allow us, because most of us are not entering into relationship with plant in a completely telepathic way,
00:31:56
Speaker
We're using what we can, which is technology to help us kind of, you know, give the plant more, more space. And, and yeah I think that's totally fair exactly to mediate that, right that, that relationship.
00:32:09
Speaker
And so I guess I'm going to ask you a question that takes you backwards, but then to spring you forward. So my backwards question to you is when you first started, like, first of all, what was the inspiration that got you started with this? And what did you think you were going to accomplish even just at a very cursory level?
00:32:30
Speaker
What did you think you were actually doing? Like when you first started to work with plants in this way, and then I'll ask you the spring forward question. I, it's funny up until recently, you know, and people are like, where did you get the idea from? You know, like, Oh,
00:32:46
Speaker
I've linked someone else's idea. I mean, it's like an amalgam, right? There's all these different people doing all these different things and researchers and scientists and artists. You know, it's amazing. And i ah so I used to answer, oh, I read The Secret Life of France.
00:33:02
Speaker
you know, 20 years ago and was like, bosh, you know, like this is this is special, this is important. i and And, you know, that that's sort of generally oh my answer. But recently I've been having this floods i'm of memories as a really young child and ah like like hearing people call you know, plants like dandelions, weeds, and then I would go to them and I would whisper and I'll be like, I'm so sorry. I know that you're special.
00:33:41
Speaker
I know that you're not rubbish. That's fantastic. Thank you, little me. And I just like, I keep having these memories I'm like, oh, you know, I just have those like little inner epiphany moments. So,
00:33:56
Speaker
I guess I'm informed by ah sensitivity, a plant sensitivity from a young age. And, you know, I've kind of gone through different phases of heightened sensitivity and, you know, more like mundania.
00:34:11
Speaker
um ah But I definitely have my phase. And I remember having this phase in, I think it was late teenagers or early 20s, where I felt magnetized to not just hold trees, I'd go hug them.
00:34:25
Speaker
i was always stroking plants and flowers, always wanted to touch and be with them and have since learned that gentle touch of plants stimulates their growth in general. you know you don't wanna be too rough or too intense, kind of come with a gentle energy. but and But yeah, so I had that sense that they wanted to be touched and I'd you know hug a tree or whatever, but I went through this phase of listening to roots So I'd get right down there in the dirt and I'd like have my head right, you know, with a tree.
00:34:57
Speaker
And I just lay there and I'd be like listening. it's It's not the same as listening with your ears. it is, but it's like feeling, listening, listening, feeling. And I just get this like sense of almost like the world turning upside down.
00:35:14
Speaker
but not like I'd be very grounded, but it was like the feeling that up is down and down is up. And you know how, like when you see the branches and the root, like the roots, you know, it's kind of like, it's not exactly mirror, but there's like this,
00:35:29
Speaker
this mirror-ish image between, you know, how a lot of the root forms grow. And i it was like I could feel the water moving through the roots. And, and not you know, I wasn't high. i was just, maybe occasionally I was.
00:35:46
Speaker
I was just like feeling I was feeling where I was you know in the forest or in nature so I guess when people say where did the work start it kind of started there and then it kind of started with different inspirational speakers like yourself and listening and then I was like listening to different plant music and I'm like where are the visuals like what's going on and And it was like, I joined an MA just before the pandemic and and it that was my, I think that was my first project. And it was like, I just, my soul was just like, I'm doing this.
00:36:23
Speaker
And they were like, do that as an end project. I'm like, no, I'm doing this now. You know, like, bam, I've got to do this. So I found as some open source circuit models from San Cusimano and kind of stripped them back to call the MIDI out, stripped, stripped.
00:36:40
Speaker
have since played around and things and, no and yeah, just like put some circuits together with some helping teachers and friends and family and, so and yeah, just kind of, kind of, yeah, just started tuning in. So I guess I got, I got to this route from, you know, lots of different sources of nourishment and nutrients from my environment. And, you know, it's just not, it's non-linear.
00:37:09
Speaker
It's, I didn't, when I read The Secret Life Plants, I wasn't remembering all those things that I used to feel and think when I was little. It's just a magnetic, right? It kind of, it evolves with you.
Personal Impact of Plant Work
00:37:22
Speaker
It's like when you watch a plant grow and it ah kind of, over time, the leaves take on more characteristic form, but, you know, the tiny plants unfurling and it's, you know, it's all kind of, it's all connected.
00:37:35
Speaker
and yeah I love how you mix those. yeah cues showed that progression and how all these pieces sort of flow into that that organic movement that takes you where you are today. Because I think that that's really true for so many of us.
00:37:48
Speaker
It's just that we're taught that you're supposed to have that boom moment, right? That one thing. And it it it really isn't true. I mean, everybody's journey is filled with these like little tiny nudges that kind of took us in these directions and things like you said that Maybe when you were younger or years ago, you didn't even see, you didn't know that they were playing into something, but that now you realize how they play into it.
00:38:14
Speaker
I also, i completely empathize. like I can feel it in my body as you were talking about it, it that whole upside downy thing that happens when, you give yourself that opportunity to, to listen deeply to things that we don't ever give space to. Cause if I tell somebody, okay, I just want you to sit and listen, most likely they're going to sit where they are with their head up and they're going to listen to kind of the air space.
00:38:41
Speaker
But even I also in, in several of the classes that I do in person, I encourage people. And and even some of the meditations that I have, for example, on YouTube and insight timer, I encourage people To like you said, put your ear down to the ground, especially if you could do it on a root, for example, but on a tree or in something that's very root dense, like I do it often in grass, I love lying on the grass, feeling that connection, and then turning my head with the intention of like having my ear really close to that kind of
00:39:14
Speaker
the soil root Exactly. Exactly. And it's always, you always get something unexpected because you sometimes you feel, you hear interaction to a certain extent, whatever the the actual sounds are, it doesn't even matter. But the feeling is interaction. Like there's gotta be ants and spiders and like, exactly. And then other times it's, it's the combination of the other,
00:39:40
Speaker
you know, the types of grasses or of small wild plants that are in there. I don't know why I actually just, so I did, I did a photo shoot the last time I was in the U S and the, at the very end she asked me, cause we did it outside in nature. And she asked me, she's like, do you have any photos that you want to take? And I'm like, yes, I was dressed in like a cute little dress.
00:40:00
Speaker
And I'm like, I want to lie down and I need photos of me lying down because it's such a, formative feeling modality for me that takes me out of the kind of human air head in the air type of thing and brings me down exactly it brings me down to a completely different level and I love that that that that also informed the way that you kind of have been progressing through this which is kind of whole body right whole sensation not just yeah it's so much more exciting I think that way and
00:40:35
Speaker
more true to the the nature of the plants that you're working in and such. So here's the forward-looking question, or at least present-looking question. What do you think has really changed in the way that you think about or experience or interact with plants since you started to work on this and you have kind of a um a new expression, like you've been able to experience this new form of expression with plants?
00:41:01
Speaker
Wow. I mean, it's it's kind of... in it's intertwined with a very personal part of my journey. i mean, the the experience of having a deeper relationship with them is very personal, but I actually, um I've had, I was born without enough bone on my hips and that got kind of progressively harder as I got older, more painful um and different complications. And then in the run-up to sort of starting to work with them,
00:41:35
Speaker
And in the way that I am, i was told, you know, we've got to have major surgery. and I was put on this wait list and then COVID happened. And there was all this waiting time. You know, it was it was meant to be on a wait list for a year. It turned out to be like whatever, I think three and a half years or something.
00:41:53
Speaker
and they restructured my body. So they cut the bones to pieces, pinned me back together again, loads of metal. And so I, you know, it was quite intense and I only just had the bolts out a few months ago and there was a bit of recovery on that.
00:42:10
Speaker
And so this whole time they've been with me. And, uh, I mean, i thought I was going to become like mega genius in my recovery and just like code all the time and like,
00:42:22
Speaker
but turn into the most senior person at all of this. And I'm like, no, no, my brain was like mush. I could do nothing. I could like, I couldn't even watch TV for longer than five minutes for about a year. You know, it was like, I was, I was mashup, but I constantly had my plants around me and that relationship evolving.
00:42:43
Speaker
And, you know, and I had the project kind of helping me kind of feel like, um, Like, it's like compassion, right? It's like all of my plants are brilliant artists in their own right.
00:43:01
Speaker
and And they're all growing at their own rate. And they're all being in their own way. And they're all blooming when it's the moment. You know, they don't all, sometimes they bloom similar times and not all of my plants bloom. But, you know, like, I think what I'm curving back to is something that,
00:43:21
Speaker
I find really important at this time is to remember that we're, we're embedded in a system of like constant harvest where it's like, okay, we need to like continually harvest everything now, you know, like give me, give me my crop, give me my McDonald's, give me my, you know, this, that, you know, give, give take, take, take, make flowers, bloom, bloom, come on, do you know, it's performative, it's on demand, it's,
00:43:51
Speaker
it's extractive um and you know and it's this thing of like I almost had this extractive mentality around my recovery like well I started this thing and while I'm you know unable to do x while z I'll extract and I'll perform and I'll produce and I'll and instead it was just like no just b just actually be and obviously you know still had things going on and had to work and and worked with the plants a bit, but it's it's like this, ah as as my journey has unfolded with them, it's like a sense of contentedness over however tiny or big I am.
00:44:31
Speaker
You know, each plant is like, like you were kind of you've you've touched upon before where, you know, a tiny plant can have a very big energy.
00:44:42
Speaker
And actually some really big plants have quite soft, gentle energy and it's not what you think it's going to be. And, you know, um not all the leaves unfurl at the same time. Not all flowers bloom every year. You know, each it's we're not meant to extract from ourselves and we're not meant to extract from each other. i mean, we do. Like maybe that's a bit of a blanket statement, but it's like this sense of like,
00:45:10
Speaker
the actual fruition, the actual blooming and the actual emanation of kind of meaning and meaning making and creativity um is kind of, I guess it's embedded in ah ah like a loving reality if we let it be.
Presence in Plant Wisdom
00:45:31
Speaker
And I think it's that softness that I've kind of had a mirror. I've always kind of been considered a bit too soft And, you know, I've got my edgy side, but, you know, I'm sort of quite gentle, creature really. And it's like being with plants. It's like, it's okay. You know, you don't have to be, like, performative and edgy and, like, constantly out to get something. Like, you can just be.
00:45:56
Speaker
That being part, that that presence is a recurring, it's one of the things that I love about doing this podcast, for example, is that it's given me the opportunity to meet so many incredible people that are working so closely with plants in these ah I don't want to say alternative ways, but in the sense of not just your traditional, like I work in a garden center or any of these things, but more of, of this co-creative and co-expressive um aspect. And this, this theme of being of presence seems to be so continuous. It's something that comes up with pretty much everybody. And I love it because it's, it's what for me has become my plantness. Like when I think about,
00:46:41
Speaker
the importance of humanity reawakening their inner plantness. It is that piece. that plantness where our instinctiveness, right? Our our humanness gives us our instincts, gives us our our motion and and our velocity to a certain extent and our ability to like move and that are that our action is tied to movement.
00:47:02
Speaker
Where I feel like our plantness is about our actions tied to beingness, about to that presence. And they're both really important. Like nobody is trying to say that as we work closer with plants, we're supposed to forget our humanness.
00:47:16
Speaker
On the contrary, it's a reminder of our true humanness, which is this total aspect that, sure, we have a preponderance, obviously, of the action and of the movement energy because we are animals.
00:47:28
Speaker
But that doesn't mean that I forget or let or completely let go of this other side of myself, which is that presence. And presence can be very active, right? ah presence and beingness can still be an active force in your life. It's just not a movement in that perspective.
00:47:45
Speaker
And it has also varying degrees and it reminds us the importance of rest. And it reminds us the importance of recognizing and being aware of where we are, of when I need to move, of when I need to sit, of when I need to be fast, when I need to be slow, when I need to be big and so and when I need to be small, like all these things of beingness is that you, it's almost like you reconnect to your, your, your full scope.
Urban Plants and Earth Energies
00:48:12
Speaker
You have access to, and you choose which ones. Some of them you might never touch because it's just not part of who you are, but you have access now because in that beingness, the, the blocks that we normally have sort of fade away and we have the opportunity to be all these things.
00:48:31
Speaker
And, and that to me is precious. It's super precious. And it actually, it's, So interesting. one One of my projects that I kind of, it's an ongoing research around earth energies and as specifically the Schumann resonances.
00:48:48
Speaker
And like there was quite a lot of hoo-ha over the fundamental Schumann resonance, which is like on average 7.83 hertz. It goes kind of, don't know, half a hertz below that and half a hertz above that. bounces around. It's a natural phenomenon, right? So it's not like a,
00:49:04
Speaker
ah specific wanting but and but there are all these um harmonics that are kind of a set that go alongside that fundamental and you know the fundamental is the kind of resting point as it were and that's just about in our kind of resting mind space so our brain uh kind of you know the the the different brain states which again aren't like some fixed point but You've got your, you know, what is it, delta, deep sleep, theta, kind meditative, beta, active, ah alpha, gamma, all the all the different ones. So you literally, these are embedded in the planet um and and these are embedded in our minds.
00:49:52
Speaker
And these influence, these sort of different resonances influence all of life on Earth or or a lot of it, most of it. And they're finding now that the human resonances can have an impact on plants and plant growth. And and and what they found when they looked at these earth energies is that ah about, there's one study, I can't remember the name of it, maybe there's a few, but and that that about half of the, I think they they scanned about a thousand people. so like, it to me, it seemed credible when I read it.
00:50:25
Speaker
And it was like about half of people's kind of brain patterns, the brainwave changes sort of shifted and seemed in sync with the planet.
00:50:39
Speaker
And so it's kind of like, and and and obviously like in a lot of urban environments, I'm in London, it's like, it's quite a lot of electro smog, you know, it's like a lot of electrical noise and they generally have the ah the centers to like receive the data from the earth energies.
00:50:59
Speaker
in kind of mountains and more like remote locations so they can hear them without all the noise. And, you know, I find this interesting, this whole kind of bridging a human, like more than half the population of the world are in urban environments now.
00:51:15
Speaker
um i can't remember what it's like, maybe 60% or something. So, and and being that everywhere's 5G and everywhere's like hyper- techno electro smoggy know it's like how do we uh channel and and stay true to the antenna ah being that we are for nature and how do we commune in ways that are beneficial for our bodies and our sense of connection with each other and and so yeah like i feel like trees are kind of conduits
00:51:49
Speaker
um for different earth energies and so you know spending time with there's lots of trees in in a lot of cities you know not all but you know just to touch a tree to be with them and uh and yet i think plants can act as sort special conduits and i've also noticed we ourselves can support nature in a urban environments because you know like i i my my old flat actually that there was this kind of crisscross of where all of the, um where all of the mobile pylon signals kind of crisscrossed.
00:52:26
Speaker
And I kept noticing like bees, especially big bumblebees were getting super exhausted at these intersections. And I was having to like, go get them, pick them up, feed them honey water and walk them down the road out of this crisscross. And like,
00:52:44
Speaker
I can only imagine that that's sort of affecting our minds and our ability to feel in sync with our own natural rhythms and, you know, the natural rhythm of our environments.
Accessibility of Plant Interactions
00:52:58
Speaker
We've got like these synthesized environments. So I guess what kind of got me onto doing the the plant art was this feeling like I'm okay to whisper to trees and and plants and I'm okay to hug them and touch them and I'm okay with all that, but people think I'm weird.
00:53:16
Speaker
So how do we build a bridge where it's not weird anymore? It's like, well, if we kind of introduce something that people can see and and hear and interact with, then it's safe again because there's a ah reason, right?
00:53:30
Speaker
It's okay. So yeah, I think that was like something that I like that. I like that also that that's almost, especially because like you said, in urban environments, I do think it's important for people to realize that also plants help you attenuate, like they help you um shift your own frequency and vibration and understand like your body rhythm and such. It helps you adapt because especially if you have older plants of any sort, especially you know, older trees. I remember being walking through Shepherd's Bush many, many, many years ago and walking through Shepherd's Bush and literally like touching every single tree. I was doing a combination of orienting of trees, which is this project connected here to Dom and Her, but also like connection. And I had an older gentleman who asked me, like, he was like, I can see that you're doing something, but what are you doing and it was
00:54:23
Speaker
he was very sweet. And I was like, and I told him what I was doing in the sense of the orienting of the trees, but also, you know, these trees, especially when, you know, in shepherd's bush, if you're in that area, these beautiful, i think they're like pseudo sycamores, or I can't remember exactly which kind of trees they are.
00:54:39
Speaker
But, you know, these trees have been there for a while, they're not newly planted. And so therefore, they've been able to adapt themselves to be able to thrive in that environment. And so that was part of what I was doing, right? Like connecting in and saying, I'm in this city environment. It's super dense. It has all these aspects that you were just talking about.
00:54:57
Speaker
Help me be okay. Help me find the rhythm that works, that that is like, it's not my probably natural rhythm. It's not the rhythm I have when I'm living somewhere else, but it is a rhythm that that can be natural to me. So just as you've adapted, help me adapt, help me connect into what it is that I need to do. And I think that you're right, that these projects, these types of projects that act to a certain extent as bridges, they help people sort of feel safe enough to, you know, not everybody feels safe in the weird and the woo like we do. Right. So, so this helps them see something that they can grasp onto to with the way that they've been taught and they say, okay, well now I'll let myself sort of go into it and I'll let myself connect into it because I see this part. And that that's, that's exactly, I often tell people that with the music of the plants and like the plants to a certain extent are,
00:55:54
Speaker
using kind of human rhythms and human sounds. And that's okay because it's their way of, for some people, that is going to be the only way that the person is going to let their guard down and let them reconnect.
00:56:07
Speaker
it and It's like having a Duolingo in sense, isn't it? Yeah. Like, okay, but, you know, like ah it's an interpretation a interpreter. Absolutely. Absolutely.
00:56:18
Speaker
absolutely I am. So this, this is probably again, like many of our conversations, just ones that we could just go on and on about all the cool things that we're understanding and developing. And I love it. I love it so much. And I love that we finally were able to sit down because I do feel people, like I said, people like you are bridging this gap for a lot of people. And at the same time,
00:56:41
Speaker
you're creating more languages for the plants to be able to express themselves in this human world. Like not all of us can go out into the middle of the jungle. And so it's beautiful to have these other ways that plants, I have a ah painting on my wall that was drawn, it was painted with a by a chimpanzee.
00:57:00
Speaker
And it's a great, you know, way for somebody like me who probably will never be around a chimpanzee to constantly think in chimpanzee energy and to feel the expression, an artistic expression from the chimpanzee and the colors that were chosen and how this chimpanzee did and what are all the like, it's abstract art and I i absolutely adore it. So,
00:57:22
Speaker
To me, this is kind of the exact same thing. This is giving, you know, plants another avenue that helps them, you know, helps us communicate and connect and express and experience and learn and all those beautiful things.
00:57:34
Speaker
So Sophie, where can people find you? i mean, obviously I'm going to put everything into the show notes, but I want you to tell, how do people see what you're creating and how do they get in touch with you if they want to learn more? Well, you can find me on my website, which is flowanecho.com.
00:57:52
Speaker
um flow of water and the linking word and echo, like echolocation.com and also on Instagram, same tag.
00:58:05
Speaker
And yeah, I mean, i haven't been exhibiting as much as I was lately, but I have been getting involved in solarpunk events. So I do a bit of exhibiting at different kind of i kind of community-based, you know, it's kind of artivism, activism,
00:58:24
Speaker
um you know we're doing lots of different events around London um so that's sort of bubbling up and uh yeah so at the moment I'm quite London based um I yeah I've got a few events kind of coming up soon but not on my website so I guess I better tuck them in there but um Yeah. So you can, you can find fine. Keep in touch with me on Insta. That would be great.
00:58:51
Speaker
Perfect. but Well, I'll make sure that I'll include, you know, your handle and all of the links to your website and such. in you know in the show notes and of course as always as things come up i'll post them into the naturally conscious community and share them out with others so that we can continue this conversation and exploring these topics lately i've been having lots i've been traveling a lot more and i've been having lots of conversations on all of these different methods that are coming out relating to connections so I have a feeling that the coming year especially is going to bring us to a whole new level of this type of expression and
Sophie's Eco-Punk Advocacy
00:59:29
Speaker
co-creation. So um I'm very, very excited to see where everything goes.
00:59:34
Speaker
and So if this has been really wonderful. I am so excited. We finally got to do it. And I am so happy that people get to learn more about you and your work. Any last words before we go?
00:59:45
Speaker
um that's a really good question i actually did have notes to come and say i don't know we look at the notes um think did that a
01:00:03
Speaker
i like it she's going through her notes it looks like we've touched everything this is yeah and um So, yes, so i I do want to expand a little bit on the solar punk theme, if that's OK. Of course. So solar punk and actually we're we're running events under the subgenre eco punk.
01:00:23
Speaker
It is like ah the I think the reason it's poignant for me um is we are. we I mean, I know growing up in the 80s and 90s, it's like nonstop visions of dystopic futures or like cyberpunk kind of settings or like everything's decimated in the future. It's like, or it's kind of weird and like,
01:00:47
Speaker
ah the emotions very abstract and zeroed out you know it's all very uh like 1984 or like you know and it's like so I'm like well collectively our collective vision we need to get a handle on things like stuff is changing it has to change and I think you know it is changing I think like like it's easy to get scared with the way that the oligarchs are running the world and the way that everything is so hell bent on yeah like a constant harvest push for extraction more more more taking from the planet you know like how is this gonna how is this gonna slow down i think it's easy to get lost there in the crises that we're embedded in and you know the poly crises all the different things happening um to the forests and um
01:01:40
Speaker
into the natural landscape and all the ways in which humans are subject to an abstractual system that you know doesn't let them ah live in harmony with nature you know it's kind of like a ah privilege you know position to be able to like i don't know just go build an amazing world cabin somewhere you know like a lot of people are locked down in kind of simple scenarios and i I think like, um and pets sometimes very painful ones, you know, like it's it's it's this feeling that we need to collectively vision things in a more adaptive way and a low impact way. And I think like the solar punk and eco punk genres are kind of, it's being able to see that we do have a lot of solutions
01:02:34
Speaker
And I definitely feel like plants will be painting and singing and making a lot of music and doing it And we'll definitely be visualizing a lot of the earth energies that maybe we need to bathe in more. um And, you know, there's going to be a lot of beautiful creative intervention.
01:02:50
Speaker
And then it's this adaptive quality for our communities, you know, where we'll be farming in the cities more and we'll be sharing that produce in a different way. And, you know,
01:03:04
Speaker
if we don't vision these things, I'm not saying it's easier that I've got all the answers or I do believe that most of the solutions we need are here. I think it's a ah management issue, like getting it to like fit in, in a way where communities do have um autonomy to sort of collectively make choices and start to like rein in a pull in what we need um in in lower impact ways.
01:03:32
Speaker
And, you know, we're kind of subject to this like constant control from markets of like, yeah buy, sell, buy, sell, what's cheapest, was what's available. And I think, you know, actually repurposing and reusing and remaking and all of these things that kind of lead to a more circular economy are kind of embedded in in those creative genres. So they're why I'm kind of making events in them because i i I, for one, I'm bored of seeing dystopic features on on the movies and that's all we got. Is that all we've got? Is that it?
01:04:12
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You know it? Right, right. What else have we got? Yeah, and I'm glad that you brought this up and i'm glad that that's like our closing message because, for example, when I founded the the Naturally Conscious Community, yeah a large, and when I started, especially in this podcast, bringing on so many different kinds of artists and artists,
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and in nature inspired but not just artists that like there's beautiful people out there that are you know painting flowers and stuff like that but what i wanted was that co-creation because i wanted to provide those other models and i love that you said that that that these are the genres that are coming out that are helping using that artistic flair and that co-created flair in other words the the nonlinear, non-human logic of other kin connected with the visionary aspects of the artistic mind that can see something that doesn't exist in order for us to
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start to have places where we can visualize or, you know, synthesize or whatever it might be, ah version of the future that is the thing we actually want to live in rather than continuously following the hot Hollywood model that shows us what we don't want to see.
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what we're headed for as what it is. So I think that that's a beautiful note to close in is to remember that those the supporting these types of projects and these types of genres and places like the Naturally Conscious Community and events for like solar punk and echo punk and artistic spaces and co-created spaces are super important to support because they are the visionaries that are giving us the opportunity to see the next incarnation of our world, the evolution we're moving towards rather than just getting stuck in the past.
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So i thank you for saying that. And that's why I encourage everybody who's listening, who's watching, go and check these genres out, you know, go and see where are there events of this type, go into the naturally conscious community, go to places where,
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like Sophie's work and see that and, you know, share out what it is that we're doing and support it and and give yourself space to be in it, to to also be in that creative process. We all have an opportunity to give our piece. That's a perfect perfect place to end. So thank you again, Sophie, so much. Thank you for
Closing Encouragement
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this. And thank you all. And this is another reminder to always, always remember, remember to resist the urge to hold back your emerging green brilliance.
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This is really the place where we're going to create the next generation, you know, resist that urge, create those spaces for yourself and give yourself the opportunity to co-create the next evolution of your own life. five Thanks for tuning into this episode of reconnect with plant wisdom to continue these conversations. Join us in the naturally conscious community.
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Until next time, remember, resist the urge to hold back your emerging green brilliance. I'm out. Bye.