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Ep.101 Living in the Mystery of Life with Jamie Harvie
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This episode was one of those soul-nourishing conversations that had me reflecting long after we hit stop. I sat down with Jamie Harvie—an engineer, strategist, and bridge-builder between healthcare, ecological wellbeing, and sacred connection. We explored what it really means to be in relationship with the world around and within us, not as isolated individuals but as deeply interconnected beings.
From the fragmentation of modern life to the beauty of feeling held by the microbes in our bodies and the kin in our communities, this episode invites you into the mystery of being alive. Jamie and I talked about the power of gratitude, the importance of somatic knowing, and how to build inner and outer ecosystems that support thriving—not just surviving.
If you’ve ever felt like your love for Nature and your many passions didn’t fit into modern frameworks of success or mental health, this conversation is your invitation to honor that difference. You are not broken. You are deeply alive.
Topics Covered about Mental Health through Nature Connection
➡️ Positive mental health is more than the absence of struggle—it’s about connection, meaning, and gratitude.
➡️ We are never truly alone: plants, microbes, and kin surround and support us.
➡️ Complexity science is helping us normalize mystery and nonlinear understanding.
➡️ Gratitude isn’t fluffy—it’s foundational to wellbeing and collaboration.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction
06:58 Sacred Self and Nature
13:26 Who Gives A Crap?
15:27 Holistic Thinking for Mental Health
23:33 Nature's Wonder and Intellectualization
37:12 Interconnectedness of Human and Non-Human Entities
42:52 Gratitude and Connection in Daily Life
46:39 Intuition and Non-Logic in Consciousness
53:21 One Sacred Earth Project
Resources Mentioned
🌱 About Jamie Harvie
🌱 One Sacred Earth Project
🌱 Aliveness Initiative
🌱 Plant Wisdom Book Club
🌱 Chaste Mimosa by Terence McMullen
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Transcript
Introduction and Guest Overview
00:00:00
Speaker
Hello, hello, hello, everyone. Welcome back to another episode of Reconnect with Plant Wisdom. It's me, Tigrea Gartenia. Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness. This is going to be, well, this is such a great, great conversation. I'm so excited.
00:00:15
Speaker
to be so happy, so grateful. Grateful is the right word to say, to be able to bring this conversation with Jamie Harvey with you, um for you, with you, to you, whatever the right word is in this aspect.
00:00:29
Speaker
Jamie Harvey is somebody who, Honestly, and you'll understand why once you start talking to him, super hard to kind of encapsulate into a single box. I mean, he is an innovator. He's a strategist. He's worked in the intersection between healthcare care and community and ecological health.
00:00:47
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And yet he has this really technical background. he is an engineer, a civil engineer. He's done collaborative leadership leadership. He's working on some amazing projects that are really about helping you embody and find gratitude for what are all of these different unfoldings with and as a being of nature.
00:01:09
Speaker
And so I am just so grateful for this conversation. I know that you're going to love it as much as I did, because it doesn't It doesn't have this like defined, we're going to talk about this and we're going to get there. You'll see it. It has this windy exploratory road, which is exactly what we' were talking about.
Nature Prescriptions and Lifestyle
00:01:28
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As matter of fact, when we closed off the recording, we got into this big discussion about things like nature prescriptions and the difference between giving you a prescription that says go out and take a walk three times a week in an environment that looks like this. And in reality just creates more stress for you of
00:01:43
Speaker
Figuring this out and oh my goodness, I had to do at least 20 minutes because if not, my cortisol levels don't drop and all that kind of stuff versus the idea of how do I help you? How do I support you and enable you to create a lifestyle that is in harmony and in connection with nature?
00:01:58
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What are the fears that you have? What are the things that are holding you back? Where are the places where you feel most alive? How are you feeling and through all this and really supporting you through this process? And I think that that's something that Jamie does really well. and you know He helps you kind of get into your feeling into that somatic body with those experiences that come from super technical like an engineer And yet, you know, and the whole health care and knowledge piece, but yet within embodiment and ah and a ah holding space sort of approach. So it's really an expansive conversation and i'm super excited to be able to bring this to you. So let me let me not try to just preface it anymore. i'm just going to get into it. This is episode 101. Can believe 101. Living in the mystery of life with Jamie Harvey.
00:02:49
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Welcome to Reconnect with Plant Wisdom. I'm your host, Tigriya Gardenia, nature-inspired mentor, certified life coach, and the founder of the Naturally Conscious Community. For over a decade, I've been known as a world ambassador for plant advocacy, working closely with plants to share their practical wisdom to help you consciously embody the elements of life that nourish your evolution.
00:03:11
Speaker
In this podcast, I delve into ancient and modern knowledge from biology to spirituality, about the wondrous ways of plants. Together, we'll explore how ecosystem thinking helps you overcome limiting beliefs, understand the true nature of relationships, and live an authentic, impactful life.
00:03:33
Speaker
All righty. Jamie, we finally made it. We made it here to this moment. Who would have thought? How is it that you came in? You came in through I Am Plant, didn't you? You took I Am Plant. yeah Yeah, I forget what it was. Something that you were offering is, ah, this looks kind of interesting. So, yeah. thanks Exactly. It was great. And I was like, I'm going to talk to him.
00:03:54
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want to have a conversation with him. So after a few conversations, I was like, I want him on the podcast. And so here we are. We're here with Jamie Harvey. Jamie, tell everybody who you are. a right i know, right? I said who you are. I didn't say what you do.
00:04:09
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i you know You can add whatever pieces you want to in that. I don't know. i am by i'm a dad. I'm a, I don't know.
00:04:24
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just Just someone dancing in this, you know, dancing in life, you know, trying to figure it out. But, yeah, I love nature, um and I'm in the woods a lot, and I just find joy on mountaintops.
00:04:40
Speaker
I love the feeling of the wind on my face sort of being battered around a little bit. I love being in community. i don't know. I don't All right. I'm going to walk you through this because these are, this is what, this is what happens. Just so you all know, this is what happens when you have done so many things and you are so many things that you're like, how am I supposed to describe that?
00:05:01
Speaker
Like that's, that's really what's happening here. So Jamie, you have a really interesting background relating to, let's just go for a second on your work background, just because it's it's really fascinating. Like you have done so many different things.
00:05:16
Speaker
So can you walk walk me through one of them? pick Pick the last thing you did from like a project that you've been working on.
Psychedelic Medicine and Reconnection
00:05:28
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I don't know. I know the perhaps formal in a sense of, you know, getting a paycheck, that kind of thing. um I was the president and executive director of the Psychedelic Research and Training Institute.
00:05:42
Speaker
Yeah, tiny little thing. Where we train physicians and therapists on psychedelic medicine. So it's just beautiful, beautiful work. And how did you get into that?
00:05:53
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a So... um It's not that I was psychedelic naive, but it wasn't now it was never a big part of my life. But a dear friend had um had sort of started doing some trainings and needed some help around more organizational development and and helping think through organizations.
00:06:17
Speaker
And so he invited me in and I very quickly sort of fell in love with this work less because of the medicines, but more on how they opened up, help people see the world in a different way. and And I guess for me, the the piece, and so i um I was also part of faculty and and and our whole, you know, what was exciting for me was helping shift and move our organizational sort of purpose, which was,
00:06:52
Speaker
um which i helped shepherd in which is reconnecting to the sacred. and And so it was our the organizational purpose, reconnecting to the sacred self, community, nature, and spirit.
00:07:06
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And side for me, it was this idea of this invisibility between all of these, that they're sacred in life and that we're connected to this sacred mystery, right?
00:07:19
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and And so um I think what was also exciting was I think many people came into this work imagining they'd get their sort of formalized training, which you know we did have some PowerPoints and we did have a syllabus.
00:07:34
Speaker
but we also offered ritual and we offered ceremony, we offered time in in nature. and and And for me to see as the walls, as the vulnerability increased, just to see the connection that is there always, but we, I think, put up some walls, it just like it happens.
Connections Between Inner and Outer Landscapes
00:07:53
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And so, um and my my work was really helping helping those see the intersection like the intersection between their inner and outer landscapes.
00:08:06
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And i I guess my take is that we have a world that's extremely fragmented with people very, very lonely. And so we created these systems we which which continue to reinforce this idea of us as separate and they lonely, right?
00:08:28
Speaker
and that we can fill our lives with things, right? And that's how we find joy and connection through buying a bigger car or another, whatever the thing might be.
00:08:39
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And so, you know, and so my hope Because most of my professional work has really been helping people see connection. That's how I think of it, at least.
00:08:53
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and And the idea that we just can't keep going to therapists. Like, the lineups are getting bigger and bigger and bigger because we live in systems that continue to...
00:09:07
Speaker
that are sort of really, i don't think they're purposely designed, but by default, they they make us into machines.
00:09:15
Speaker
And so it's not as though I really don't believe that there's some big conspiracy where some people sat around and thought, oh, let's do this, but that's the outcome. And so so, you know, we're living, caring, we're we're built for connection.
00:09:31
Speaker
And so there's no wonder that there's a mental health crisis, that there's like a physically, like physically we're like we're having a ah crisis of humanity.
00:09:42
Speaker
Like what does it mean to be, I think it asks like begs the question, what does it mean to be human? And so all the crazy politics that we're seeing, i think we're seeing this poly crisis of, so many things are hitting the fan right now.
00:09:56
Speaker
and And for me, I get excited because For me, this is where I think there's an aliveness that's starting to wake up and connect people. But people like have been spectators in in in this world for so long that they don't, like I think it's scary to reconnect to what and how they're sensing and what to do with it.
00:10:20
Speaker
and to, in a way, kind of turn away from what the culture is telling us, you know, that you should buy this and this is how, what makes you successful and so forth. And at the core of it, it's our connection to our to ourselves, to moving out of our heads into our bodies, connecting to our families, connecting to our communities, right?
00:10:40
Speaker
And connecting to this joy of what it means to be alive. But I kind of digress, but, but um but i but i but i but i I've worked prior to, i think one could call sort of psychedelic medicine, mental health, but I i think of it as as much bigger and I think of it holistically. And prior to that, was doing a lot of work with ah within the healthcare sector, um leading efforts to pull toxics out because helping decades ago, healthcare was one of the leading sources of
00:11:14
Speaker
two toxins, mercury and dioxin, which are persistent, like they're in your body, they're in my body, they they're in the wombs of the community of life all across the globe, human and and another.
00:11:30
Speaker
And yeah, the rest the community of life are, you know, every pore on this planet has been filled with plastics and toxics. And, you know, it's it's it's crazy and goofy, but healthcare is one of the largest sources.
00:11:41
Speaker
And so there is this, like this, siloing and and and i don't know how it got onto healthcare but again it's like we have to see ourselves as connected and very quickly the healthcare care sector is like oh i've never really given thought to what help happens outside of hospital walls and they became allies in their work so so for me it's always has been about seeing connection and thinking and being holistic And do I operate like that every day? No. Do I do like just like i I don't know if it's like trying to, but that's just kind of like a belief system. But there's so many things that that force us to do otherwise. But as it relates to, you know, this organization, Prady, we were training therapists like we have to see that.
00:12:33
Speaker
that our society is helping feed people who are in crisis. And so what then can we do outside of our our mental health clinics and our therapy offices and so forth? And where can we engage? And, you know, we're seeing it. We were talking before the show started around, you know, climate anxiety and climate grief and all those sorts of things. Like there's an intersection between your inner world and your outer worlds. and so We're in this beautiful opportunity right now to kind of seize this moment and and shift our consciousness to see see how beautiful life is and and to build a model of relationship and connection.
00:13:15
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00:15:03
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00:15:10
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Yeah, and I really, it's funny because, you know, knowing that your sort of formal training was like as a civil engineer, as a person who also is technically an engineer, you know, electrical on this side.
00:15:23
Speaker
It's interesting because, so one of my brothers studied civil engineering. And for me, civil engineering, I don't know why, always started. well, no, I know why, comes back to bridge building. like There's a piece of me that sort of when I hear civil engineer, the first thing I come to is bridge building, both physically bridging bill ah building bridges, excuse me, but also metaphorically building bridges. One of my clients is also a civil engineer and you you know she she works with water loops and it's really about building the bridges between you know how water flows and where water management and things like that in a more holistic way.
00:15:57
Speaker
And I really feel like I can feel that thread in you and kind of the way that you put things together of how do I how do i say this? How do I connect these various ecosystems together? How do I make these connections for people?
00:16:11
Speaker
Which I do think from a civil engineering, there's like this piece of I build infrastructure that helps you you know move and get things done and and be able to it. And I find that really interesting.
00:16:24
Speaker
it's It's easy to get lost in the minutia and in in the mechanistic approach and in the like separatist approach. And I really like that the way that you see it is much more holistic. You look at it much more on ah on a community ecosystem type level of, you know, we have to look at both our internal landscape and our external landscape, especially as you were saying with healthcare, care where healthcare care has been very much a, I am an individual, and I take a pill, or I, you know, have this thing, and i have to then deal with that rather than looking at it in a wider framework of saying I'm an individual, yes, but who lives within a context of
00:17:04
Speaker
that has a whole series of things around it. And what is my lifestyle? How does my lifestyle deal with my, you know, affect my health, my mental health, especially?
Mental Health and Nature Connection
00:17:14
Speaker
And how is it that working both from inside out and from outside in, i can create the conditions for positive mental health, which is this area that nobody really talks about, right? We talk about, when we say the words mental health, we are usually talking about negative mental health or what like Dr. Corey Keyes talks about languishing, right? We usually will deal with mental health when we think we're in the negative side of it, as opposed to how do we actually build up positive mental health, right? Resilience, community, all of those aspects that make me feel like I'm immersed in an environment
00:17:50
Speaker
that is healthy. And that, of course, disruption is going to happen and blips along the road and something bad can always happen. But because my overall ecosystem internally and externally is all healthy, and is positive, and I have those nodes of connection, as you were saying, right, I have all of these different pieces.
00:18:10
Speaker
And I feel this solidarity with myself, I feel like I matter, I feel like I'm I'm somebody who's contributing, I feel like I'm making an impact in whatever level and whatever way that that is, then when something negative happens, I can kind of deal with it and and see how to move through it.
00:18:27
Speaker
And I feel like this is still a topic that and we're starting to see it a little bit with nature connection and conversations. I feel like it's interesting to me to think that the conversation on positive mental health is passing through nature connection.
00:18:41
Speaker
Like it's almost like it's difficult to even though it's relating to much more than just I mean, nature connection is one huge element of it and feeling connected and feeling impactful and all these different pieces.
00:18:52
Speaker
And it's really interesting to me that even after all these years, positive mental health is still not a conversation piece. It's still not something that we're looking at in that broader context. Did you find that there was a lot of resistance in the work that, you know, why why do you think, and let me ask it a more open question. Why do you think we're trying not to put words in your mouth? Why do you think that we're still as an overall society having a difficulty of moving towards the concept of positive mental health?
00:19:22
Speaker
i I think it's because we prize, like we don't, we prize intellectual thinking as more broadly.
00:19:33
Speaker
Right. And, and so, so I don't, I don't, there's so many different kinds of knowledge and there's like an embodied or sense or feelings. And I think these have been discounted and it's interesting because you see over the last, whatever, 15 years, I see it less now, but,
00:19:52
Speaker
all the you know all the focus on STEM,
Education and Expression Challenges
00:19:55
Speaker
right? The science, technology, what engineering, math, right? And there's nothing wrong with that, but it's at the expense of the art, like so many other things that- that That's why I like STEAM, and science, technology, engineering,
00:20:12
Speaker
arts and mathematics. Right. Well, there should be a few more letters in there, I think. yeah Exactly. We need them too. And again, we need both.
00:20:22
Speaker
We need both, right? and And, um but I think i'm I'm a caring, sensitive male, right? Even as like walking through my life, that has been hard to express. or I haven't felt fully comfortable always in that because it's seen as weak or you know and um and so you know i'm in an and of one but i think as your bigger broader question is that we i think have lost our ability to sense in to what are like what we're feeling like an embodied sense and so so i i believe we we sense and feel with every poor
00:21:10
Speaker
like every every every cell in our body, but we've ignored that. We tend to discount that. Like what um what's my gut? What am I really, really feeling inside? And to trust that.
00:21:22
Speaker
And so i think for me, at there is something there, something in what I just said that is a bit of an answer to you. I don't think there's ever one answer, but I think there's something that feels very core to your question of like, why are we, I think it was something like, why are we having this?
00:21:40
Speaker
broad mental health crisis, right? Because i I think, like, again, i keep going back to things, right? Like all the stuff we buy to make that, which we think makes us happy. But all the science shows us that it's our sense of connection to friends and family. And, you know, we, we and so,
00:22:05
Speaker
But but we override it. We were told to not trust it. We're told to distrust distrust what we, I think, intuitively know. So I don't know. um We'll figure it out. we Yeah. You touched on something that I think is really important. And and I want to call it out because i think for so many of us.
00:22:25
Speaker
we think that there's a problem, again, another one of those things that we think is a problem, but in my opinion, is is actually showing the strength. And so permit me for saying it in this way. And then like, I have a tendency to like blur things out in the beginning and then correct it, ah you know, not correct it, but give it the shape that it needs because it actually fits that particular process fits into exactly what I'm saying, which is, I think that that struggle for the words that you're you're having, right, as you're as you're like trying to put this this embodied feeling into words that we can describe for, you know, in this setting that we're talking about. And I think that that is the part that is not, not,
00:23:05
Speaker
prized enough or or regarded. doesn't We don't give enough credit or credit is not the right word. We don't see the value, that's maybe a little bit better, in the true the the fact that these things we're talking about right now are hard to talk about, not because they're hard, but because they're embodied feelings. but that That walking through life, seeing it as this wondrous mystery,
00:23:32
Speaker
as this beautiful, magical place, the awe, the wonder, the the feeling of impact, the feeling that I have a place in here because I am a being of nature and i i I am a part of this. Like I'm part of what makes this amazing is hard to put into words in a way that doesn't feel frivolous or arrogant or in other things because of the way our language has kind of been conditioned and created.
00:24:01
Speaker
where instead as I'm walking, especially if you're walking, I think in any kind of outdoor setting or as as I'm sitting here with my my mother's, i'm I'm actually at my mother's house right now. This is, you know, this piece Lily and my mother have, my mother is not a plant person in her mind.
00:24:16
Speaker
This piece Lily is the proof that she is a plant person. You should see how like where the plant lives, how the plant lives, like has become this big piece of her life. It's the only living plant inside the house.
00:24:30
Speaker
And Once this plant came into the house, all of a sudden I started to see the sides of my mother relating to plants that I had never seen before. And that doesn't exist for her outside because she didn't grow grow up in nature.
00:24:42
Speaker
She didn't grow up taking walks in wooded areas. She grew up on an island. She grew up in the city of that island. She grew up in a very urban setting. And so as much as she can so kind of admire, she has this fear.
00:24:56
Speaker
When I was living in the woods, she would call me and be like, Why are you in a woods? We're city people. She couldn't figure it out. This plant helped me see that it's an innate connection she has inside of her and that has been conditioned out of her because she's never had the opportunity to safely experience it.
00:25:16
Speaker
And I think that that changes how we, you know, I think that that's another big reason why these wondrous ways of being able to be immersed in natural environments, whether it's in a city park or outdoors, like the way you grew up, I think is so important because it takes us out of the need to intellectualize everything.
00:25:37
Speaker
And it brings us into our body and allows us to just feel and Is it going to then rapidly transform the world? Probably not because you need to get the people to feel it because you can't explain it to them.
00:25:51
Speaker
I could, you know, we do this podcast and I love doing this podcast and there's so many things, you know, that I can communicate, but at the same time, so much of it is about, I mean, you said it right in one of our conversations, being human is not a spectator sport.
00:26:08
Speaker
I want you to listen to this podcast. But i also want you to go out and experience the things we're talking about in your own way, in your own format, so that that connection can be lived into the body. And for a lot of people you know who didn't grow up with experience of nature, that's really scary and hard.
00:26:30
Speaker
I mean, you had a you had a ah beautiful, from what I've heard, like from the conversations we've had, I mean, you were raised, you had that benefit of being able to go and explore into nature, right?
00:26:42
Speaker
Yeah. Well, there's a couple of things you brought up. One is that, like, I don't know if it's my experience in nature that, ah Like, was I born this way? Like, like to be to sense in, and even like, how do we help people? There's sort of something that feels presumptive. It's hard to put my hand on it. And I'm not sure you're necessarily trying to create an architecture and a, you know, at like, um um but it's.
00:27:14
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Boy.
00:27:18
Speaker
These are the moments I love, by the way. The struggle with the words. The struggle with the words. I love them. I love them. because no But i but i think I think when people struggle, it means that there's something there.
00:27:30
Speaker
Exactly. yeah That's what I'm saying. i was actually like That's exactly how I feel. I'm like, right oh, I love that. That moment where the words are just, I love it. Because it means it's something there. It's in your body. And you're just like trying to feel into it.
00:27:45
Speaker
Like, so so, like, obviously I'm having a hard time answering your question, but I think it's just, i i I just, I think it's about honoring. Like, it's not about trying, it's it's not even about, it's not about helping people. It's like, it's hard because there's something that's like, oh, I'm supposed to help people. But it's it's sort of like, it's to see, boy, to,
00:28:13
Speaker
it's gonna There's a presumption in that the way that I think and feel should everyone should be. And I don't believe that, but I personally do believe there's this beautiful mystery in life.
00:28:26
Speaker
And I think, I think the difficulty, um you know, there's, I don't know, there's a sort of a scenario you were describing early a few minutes ago, where it's like, where, where, where somebody is like,
00:28:39
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yeah, you feel and you don't know what to do with it. And I think it's like, this is the thing is that we're so science oriented. And, you know, this is part of the whole scientific revolution where I think like church and the mystery and all these things were like trying to help us humans navigate the world. Then science suddenly came on board, what, 150 plus or minus 200 years ago.
00:29:03
Speaker
And that provided an explanation. We so desperately want to have, Like to be able to see where we're moving. There's something, i don't know, is it being human? I guess maybe like there's that part of us that wants to be able to see where we're moving forward.
00:29:22
Speaker
But the reality is everything is is a mystery, right? When it all comes down to it, everything is a mystery. And to hold that in ourselves is so hard.
00:29:33
Speaker
So when we're when we're asking or inviting or suggesting that people kind of sense into something that they may not be familiar with, it's like, what do they do with it? It's scary. A mystery is scary.
00:29:47
Speaker
And so so maybe it's it's about just doing what we're doing here and just talking about it. And there's even a science, right? There's complexity science, which is suddenly perhaps because of the craziness of our times.
00:30:02
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It's a science that, that basically says there's a mystery and science doesn't explain everything, right? There's actually a science that says life is a mystery. So it's like, Oh, what do we do with that?
00:30:16
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Right. And so, And so I think and it's likely normalizing, like normalizing that, yeah, we have feelings and sometimes we don't know what to do with them.
Celebrating Life's Mysteries
00:30:28
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Right. And it's to normalize that, yeah, life can feel pretty scary at times. Right. So how do you hold that fear and how do you hold like the fact that that we we've still are able to move through so far as a species?
00:30:44
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in relationship with other species on this planet, right? And it's this crazy dance, but I think it's it's not to discount it, it's to honor it, ah this mystery that's around us.
00:30:56
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And I think, at least for me, it's about celebrating it. It's about celebrating it because for me, it is what connects us all. It's like this it's this this big sea of, I don't know,
00:31:13
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It's this life force, you you can call it love. I think some people may call it God. Like, I don't really care what the term is, but there is, it's, it's the magic that you see when a little seed pops out of the ground or when you, so when you, you know, I love that, what the naturally conscious community i is right. It's right.
00:31:34
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Yeah. um But, and, and, and, you know, the various books that pop up and it's like what we're learning now, which I think, In some ways, you know, there's this beautiful book by Zoe, I'm blanking on her last name, but The Light Eaters, right? Schlanker? Is that her last name? anyway Yes. It's like, again, and what she does is synthesize all like the science that in some ways has been like repressed because what it does once you realize, and now it's sort of out of the box, is that
00:32:08
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plants can feel, right? They can hear, they can sense. They may do it on a different timeline than you and I, right? but But once that is out of the box and that these aren't just these things, it's like, oh my goodness, like, what does that mean?
00:32:26
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Like, we're actually in relationship. They're watching us walk down the street, right? They're sensing us. They can sense light. they They operate in ways that we have no idea, but there's they're alive and they're feeling and they're sensing. It's like, wow.
00:32:43
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And like, how beautiful is that? oh
00:32:48
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it's all so But what does it mean? Like when we're suddenly is like, oh shoot, we have to be in relationship with like, with other beings. Like we have ah responsibility. And one of my teachers, Thomas, who was, who has reminded me like this, the word responsibility, I think is,
00:33:07
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Like I think, or at least I think of it as like, oh, a rule, but he helped to reframe the word, like an ability to respond. So we can choose to respond to what does it mean, right?
00:33:19
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um But wow, but it opens up like whole other way of seeing this world. And it's quite magical. and and Yes, to all of it. I'm reading. So as part of the Plant Wisdom Book Club, but the book that we're currently reading is called Chase Mimosa. And it's basically, ah we weren't really sure what we were getting into. It's very interesting because it's kind of the history of the psychology of plants or plant psychology a um by somebody who doesn't really believe plants are sentient. At least we're we're kind of coming to the conclusion. And and it's it's very interesting because he starts this journey, this kind of almost academic journey, but he starts at the time of Plato and Aristotle.
00:34:02
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It's like this question, and and Plato Aristotle's time, we talked about they talked about mind in reference to soul. To them, mind and soul were two sides of the same coin.
00:34:14
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And which is, again, another thing that our site that our current modern science has separated out and turned soul into a dirty word. The idea that, you know, because that means that mystical power, that unexplainable part of yourself.
00:34:28
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Right. And then mind is the important part that we have to dissect and understand and cognition andeniing and sentience and consciousness and all these different things that even those, you know, when you look at certain theories of consciousness, like panpsychism still have that mystical kind of element to it. But that mechanistic science is still lurk looking to to whittle it down to, well,
00:34:50
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you know because biologically speaking we can explain what's happening then that must mean that it's not you know that there's no consciousness or sentience in it it's really interesting and it's interesting to think that we as human beings are still 2 000 plus years right when we think about aristotle and pla plato almost three you know it's 2500 years that we're still having these random arguments about something that in reality we should be, it should, bad word, not being presumptuous, but like something that is so inherent and that living in wonder and in awe doesn't mean living in ignorance.
00:35:29
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I think that that's a big piece. I think that big piece that is missing is that element, that mystery and wonder and awe is not I'm ignorant, it's I'm fascinating. I am living in that curiosity. I'm living in that that that gratitude for what is unfolding in front of me.
00:35:50
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And I think when you live in that, from that natural connection, as you were talking about, I do think it just spills into every other aspect of your life. Because It doesn't mean i don't feel ego grief or eco anxiety.
00:36:04
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We were talking earlier that I went yesterday to at the time that were recording this yesterday to the premiere of a documentary that I'm in called Good Nature. And it's the exploration of this filmmaker, Ash Stokes.
00:36:17
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It's her journey through anxiety and eco grief. And the beauty of it is that as she walked through it, it's not that she tried to get rid of it.
00:36:30
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It's more of, wow, the wondrous, beautiful connections that she made along the way and that she made with nature, because it's all about her journey through this from a natural perspective and how she how she realized that, yeah, she could live in that eco grief or, and you know, that eco anxiety, or she could live in the wonder of what's unfolding.
00:36:53
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And therefore from there, take her cues on her steps and what she's supposed to take. That doesn't mean she doesn't have moments of feeling it, right? You feel it, that that grief is still there, but the wonder allows you to go through it.
00:37:06
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It's sort of, holds you and and you feel held. um One of the microbiologists that spoke was talking about all the the fact that we're really 90% microbes in our body, which means we're 90% as human beings, 90% of us is foreign entities that live inside of our body and that make up our body. you know And so she was like, remember, you're never alone, which goes to exactly what you were talking about relating to the plants all around us.
00:37:34
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You're never alone. And the continuous message that we keep, or the continuous kind of realization as we reconnect back to nature, as we start to understand the physical nature of our own body is that message over and over again.
00:37:48
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You're never alone. You're never alone. You're always held. You're held by microbes. You're held by our plant friends. You're hold held by all the small animals that are around. You're held always and allow your you know, you can, you can give yourself permission to kind of almost fall apart in that holding and allow yourself to just go through things and allow yourself to unfold in that and to know that you're still, that that's part of life, that that's how we move forward, that that's how we that's how we just are. That's how you can be in this whole situation.
00:38:27
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That was very, very philosophical and I don't even know if it made sense, but it's it's what what was feeling in that moment. Yeah, there is some, you know, in many of my talks, I, you know, I give talks around the country and so forth. But I always bring up that what you brought up the fact that we're more non human cells and human cells, but but the other piece is that we we have receptors in our brains for microbes in the soil.
Microbes and Consciousness
00:38:54
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And so like, as we're eating food, they go down, they go up, or, you know, our our gut brain axis.
00:39:00
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And it begs the question then of who is in control of our thoughts.
00:39:06
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mosts I have to say this. I'm jumping in because this morning I was reading Chase Mimosa and I was reading through it and and they were at a part that we're talking about that. And for the first time I sat there and I said, wait a minute, the consciousness that I'm currently talking to myself with is the consciousness that we think of as my consciousness.
00:39:27
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But the fact that my gut... effects, like if I eat something, i don't have to think send immune system, you know, cells here, send, send this here, like, there is an entire other consciousness that is equal parts me, that is having a whole conversation, and is deciding things relating to my body.
00:39:50
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And all of a sudden I went on this rabbit hole thinking, you know when you stare out out at like some beautiful tree for a while and you're like looking up in the in in the clouds kind of coming through in the sky and you're and you're realizing, oh my goodness,
00:40:06
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I am simultaneously two consciousnesses, consciousnesses, the conscious, eye I don't even know the plural. I am two of these. And i the one that is thinking right now doesn't necessarily have access to the other. And am I supposed to like, should I have conversations with my gut and try to bring to this, like connect these two. Oh my goodness. I went down a rabbit hole.
00:40:32
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I think I must've been staring out the window for like 35 minutes, just with all these thoughts going through me. It was actually quite inspiring because it was like, oh my goodness, even all this argument we're having about plant sentience and everything when I'm not even recognizing my full sentience, I'm not even realizing that I am so much more than just this thing.
00:40:56
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mind thought right now, this brain part that's coming through, and that maybe Plato had it right when he was talking about, you know, these three sort of types of consciousness that we have within us.
00:41:08
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and Rabbit hole, rabbit, very fascinating rabbit hole.
00:41:16
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It's what happens, right? It was beautiful. It made me feel more alive. I don't know. It made me feel more, more than human. Like, it was like a a moment of feeling my more than humanness, like like you said, that 90%, that part of myself that's not human cells inside of my own body, I felt like there was a spark of a possibility that one day I can communicate with them.
00:41:42
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and then And that I could bring, that that was a um that no wonder we feel like we're missing parts of ourselves. We are. We're not communicating with all parts of ourselves. It was like this realization of that hole that we think sometimes comes from trauma, which it can,
00:41:56
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And it can't come from past life trauma. And it can't come from present life trauma. And it can come from this and it can come from that. But it also can just come from the fact that there is a huge part of what makes me human that is inside of me that I have no connection to.
00:42:09
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Maybe if I spent some time, which is not even the divine part, or not even even going into woo, I'm going into like straight up science, right? Straight up science. Let's use science for science. there's this part of me that I have no connection to.
00:42:23
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And wow, maybe that's the reason I feel a void. Maybe that's part of it. And what would it be like for me to spend time kind of like gratitude for my gut health and asking those microbes like, hey, how do you and I start to chit chat? Can we get some tea?
00:42:42
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i don't know. that's That's the way my mind works. Rabbit holes.
00:42:48
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no but there there is something about um you know i think honoring those parts of yourself and and sending them gratitude and you know
00:43:01
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you know, I have a sore back at time. So, you know, my back, carry like, we carry a lot, you know. So it's like we forget that what all the parts of our bodies do and help us out every day in the same way that we often forget what our our partners and family and our friends do, right. And so, like, a lot of this, I think, connects back to gratitude, even as it relates to, you know, plant sentience or and, you know,
00:43:27
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and and animals and and and another beautiful book, right, an immense world. Ed Young's work on, again, bringing it alive, like the umwelt, the fields of perception that, that um the you know, the four-legged, two-legged, the crawlers, the flyers, and everything all have. Like, it's mind-blowing. So as as we sit out on the lawn or in a city park or on your balcony on an apartment building,
00:43:57
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You know, they're there are birds that are seeing you and communicating and signaling to others and and to two to the squirrels or the chipmunks or whatever it might be around. There's this whole field of communication that's happening.
00:44:09
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um and um and But but i I think as we can see this as something beautiful, and then we may be then we may be better off as as a species.
00:44:25
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um um I guess, yeah. yeah um but But gratitude, gratitude is a really powerful force.
00:44:39
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It really is. And also so many of these things we're talking about, it's again, going back to the fact that our society is based on the principle of discipline and focus and like all of these things that are supposed to be hard to do.
00:44:55
Speaker
And yet when you step back into gratitude and that connection piece, You just naturally do the right thing. And from from a Kabbalistic model, there's kind of this premise of, you know, when I'm in Geburah, I do the right thing because somebody tells me that's the right thing that I'm supposed to do. You know, you follow the laws, it's justice, it's all these different pieces. And in Hesed, I do the right thing because I want to do the right thing for others.
00:45:19
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i do it from mercy and from this perspective but the balance of these two the flow between them and to ferret is i do the right thing because it's the right thing to do and nobody has to tell me what the right thing to do is because i feel like from that connection point the right thing to do emerges for me and it doesn't matter who's watching me or whether or not i can get punished for it or whether or not i'm going to hurt somebody else's feelings none of that part is the main focus because i'm so in tuned that it becomes this like flow into that direction.
00:45:51
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I think that's that's kind of that, what you were saying of, you know, living in the mysteries ah and of life is living in the mystery of life is when you allow yourself to have that all that wonder, that gratitude, and then you let that kind of be your guiding star, right? You you allow that you trust yourself enough that you can kind of ah make this connection becomes the thing that guides you towards your next steps.
00:46:22
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And sometimes, you know, as you had said earlier, like sometimes, you know, exactly what steps you're going to take. And other times instead, there's this deep feeling of allow it to unfold and it will become clear over time.
00:46:37
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It's kind of like, ah as I was reading this book, um this Chase Mimosa book for the the Plant Wisdom Book Club, I'm reading the book and I'm, and i'm recognizing parts of it that I feel are extremely important, but I'm not very good with, you know, all the scientific names and all the dates and stuff. You know, we're in the, right now we're in this, but in the part of the book where I am, we're in the 17th and the 18th century. And I'm like, I'm not going to remember all of these names.
00:47:04
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And so at some point I stopped and, And I called in my plant business partner right now, Noel, the Christmas cactus. And i I literally stopped and I asked Noel, I'm like, Noel, I know that in this, there is information that's important for me.
00:47:19
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I don't know what it is. Like, I'm not, I can't highlight it and identify it. And I'm, i but I'm, and I don't want to get overwhelmed trying to memorize dates and times and all these types of things when I don't, I don't think that that's the important part. So help me tap into an alternative form of logic that I have, like this non-human side of myself to grasp this in a different way. So I'll still keep reading with my kind of human faculties and my eyes and my understanding of English and, you know, my grammar and my synthesis and my own scientific pieces that I've learned to highlight here and do this there. But please help me
00:47:58
Speaker
go beyond that, to use senses that maybe I don't know how to bring online yet. I'm not conscious of how they go, but I know that they're there so that I can, as I keep developing, can recall this information when it's important and I can integrate it into the things that I do. And I got this feeling, you know, it's Christmas cactus. I just felt like you know, Noel attached to different parts of my body and sort of envelop me and like saying I'm here, like Noel doesn't talk a lot. So all I heard was yes, was to be honest.
00:48:29
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And so but I could feel this, like I took a minute, I closed my eyes, I took a deep breath, I made the request, I asked, I got a yes. And then I could feel this wrapping. And then as I was reading, there was a calm, because I wasn't getting overwhelmed by all of these dates and times and everything. I felt like There was something beyond that that was helping me that didn't necessarily 100% come from the outside. It was almost like Noel was triggering something inside of me, helping me reach parts of myself that i don't yet have access to.
00:49:00
Speaker
And again, I think that that's that mystery that you're talking about. it Also, it's recognizing that there are some things that are just outside of the way that my life. brain processes things and yet feeling connected or or connecting into that And being able to access it even without being able to give it a ah clear definition. And I don't think I'll ever have. I mean, maybe I will, but I don't think I'll ever have a definition.
00:49:28
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And it's not important. I'm not looking for a definition for those types of things. I'm looking for that experience to feel it, to be in it. I don't need to sell it to anybody else or tell anybody else how to do it.
00:49:39
Speaker
I can't because each one of us is going to do it in a different way. I can share my experiences and I can hope that it'll encourage you to, again, not be a spectator until I try things. But, um but I can't tell you, i don't have a methodology.
00:49:52
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Years ago, I tried to put together kind of like, oh, maybe I'll put together a naturally conscious framework and After I just started, I was like, this is not, this is contrary to everything that I believe, which is there is no one way.
00:50:07
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There is no, here are the steps that you take in order to become naturally conscious. It's this journey. And all we can do is by, like you said, these conversations, we share experiences. You tell of things that you've experienced. I tell of things I've experienced and somebody else grabs a nugget from there and then takes it off in their own direction.
Life as a Journey
00:50:24
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That's, I think that that's the best that we can ask for in all of this is, you know, how do we, and how do we normalize it? Like normalize all the parts of it that are non-describable, that don't have words, that maybe I'm just going to do an interpretive dance and I hope you understand what I just did.
00:50:41
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You know, those types of things. How do we make this type of, of, of sharing, which some people might be able to, Wow, i just realized something.
00:50:54
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I just had this realization when we did in the Plant Wisdom in Good Club, A Mind of Plants as a book. I don't know if you ever read The Mind of Plants, but Mind of Plants made up of multiple stories from a to Z. and Each author picked a plant connected to that letter, like A for apple and P for passive flower and all these different, and wrote a story around them. or so And some were extremely technical, like some people wrote almost like a scientific paper.
00:51:21
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Others wrote some story of their childhood with that plant. Others wrote instead an experience they developed with the plant. Like there was all kinds of stories. And I'm just now realizing the importance of these multiple, like, now anyways, I just kind of like the penny just dropped and I understood, oh, that's the reason it was so varied type of thing.
00:51:45
Speaker
So know it is. we We figure things out at some point. but But I do think it's more of an exploration than like a destination. And and that's it. There is no there is no one destination. the It's just the exploration of life. It's how do we fully embody and live that life in any which way?
00:52:04
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Okay, I've gone off on my philosophical tangent. This has been a lot of philosophical, which I love. I think it's great. But and before we go, i do want to ask you, because I've asked you about, you know, things you've worked on in the past. I would love to hear about, you are working on a project right now. And I just want to hear a little bit more about this project, which is, you know, the One Secret Earth Project, just because I love the title.
00:52:23
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Like, what is this project
One Sacred Earth Project and Planetary Gratitude
00:52:26
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about? What is Jamie up to now? Mm-hmm. Well, I've got a couple of things. One's the Aliveness Initiative, which, you know, we can talk about maybe another time, but it really touches on what we're discussing here. But the One Sacred Earth Project is, um I think I've always been curious as to, it gets to kind of what you're asking earlier on in the show around,
00:52:51
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like how do we get people to do something and I you know like I don't know to I forget exactly what it was sense in or feel or how do you get them because i deep deep and you know this is years ago when you know when I was doing my work with health care on leading this toxics campaign like and and did this whole food system work.
00:53:17
Speaker
and And I never, i don't believe people want to hurt or do something to someone else, right? I really, I just don't. and and And we we can go into the reasons why I think that is, but at the court of it, I just i just don't just don't believe it.
00:53:35
Speaker
um and But but i was i was walking I was walking with ah my my wife and I, we were walking with a friend in the woods And she was sharing how about whether we'd heard about this. She was going through some relationship issues and asked if we'd ever heard of the book, The love Five Love Languages, which I'd not heard about.
00:53:58
Speaker
And she described it as how, you know, often couples don't like have the same love language. and And as a result, they don't sort of see how they're actually caring and showing gratitude for one another. And it was like, oh, that's kind of interesting. And it was like, huh, I wonder what or if and how we might have different love languages for this planet.
00:54:20
Speaker
Right. And so, so i had this idea of doing something that I now call the One Sacred Earth Project. And basically you can go online and onesacredearth.org, but you can go online and, and, um ah and i I'm now making this more public, but I'm curious about whether on the solstice, this coming solstice, we can have people around the globe organize like their own efforts around one sacred earth. And so here's what, what the invitation is, but it doesn't have to be on the solstice, but I just sort of thought it'd be kind of fun because it connects us to the, you know, this, the cycles of the earth around the sun and so forth, but, and seasons and and so forth. But the,
00:55:10
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really what the One Sacred Earth Project does is it invites you to sit quietly and it asks you three things. What ah what in the natural world? And for me, it's often interesting because it what is the natural world? i I would offer that you are part of the natural world, right?
00:55:28
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But we often go to plants and, you know, but what the natural world are you grateful for? And then I sort of had a little parentheses, right? or no So that's one question. one the the now What in the natural world are you, or more than human world, are you grateful for?
00:55:44
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And then then I ask why, and then i then I invite them to say, like, and these are the parentheses, how does it make it you feel? like what Like, what does it, like, how?
00:55:56
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Like, that peace plant ah that, you know, How does it make your mom feel? Right. And, and, and then the third is like, how do you show gratitude or thanks?
00:56:09
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So at the core of it, it's also kind of a gratitude exercise. And so i collect these, like, and they can get submitted online to get stuck in a big Google sheet. and But the beauty of this is that you can actually create an invocation.
00:56:25
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I give thanks to this peace plant because it makes me feel calm and relaxed. Or I give thanks to the oatmeal, you know, or like it can be whatever, right?
00:56:36
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And so you can create an invocation. And then a couple years after that, I was reading in Breeding Sweetgrass, a beautiful book by yeah Robin Kilmer. but And the Hadasanian Nation actually, you know, and I don't know, perhaps other Indigenous communities also have this, but they off they will use an invocation in before their meetings and sometimes can go on for hours and hours and hours.
00:57:02
Speaker
because like, man, there's so much to give thanks for. And I was like, oh, this is kind of funny. cu for I have the book. I have the little book with like the the original prayer. thanks but but it But it can be co-created, right? And so it's sort of funny that it kind of came organically out of this kind of crazy thing in the woods. But so I've done this with, you know, the Academy of Integrative Health and Medicine. I've done it with Prati, the psychedelic organization. I've done it with like universities and so forth. And so they co-create an invocation. But the real brute beauty is if you even just do it with friends.
00:57:37
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And the beauty for me is when you sit and you assemble, co-assemble it together and you ask the questions, huh, like what's what's nature? Like are we nature or not?
00:57:48
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Right. We have these defined terms. And just the discussion is like, huh, what did you, what surprised you? about this process. And invariably everyone was like, oh my goodness, I'd never really given it any thought.
00:58:02
Speaker
Right? But some people are just like, this is like, it this has changed my life. Now every day I say hi to that tree and it calms me down. and But there's not a right or wrong answer but invariably everyone says like wow i'd never really kind of given it thought and this has changed me and and and um but sometimes it it as you as a group will discuss sort of these assembled gratitudes really they will say boy it's really hard for some some people say i really hard for me to say what it how it makes me feel
00:58:43
Speaker
and And then there's a really cool discussion around that, like, huh? And for some people, it's like, really? It's like, and, you know, it can be helpful to have it facilitated, but just like it's like how people, its for some, this we sort of touches on what we're discussing before, like like what the difficulty for some people to sort of share, like where and how it touches them.
00:59:10
Speaker
um And again, there's no right or wrong, right? but But it's just a really beautiful process. And it's really fun because I'm connecting with people all around the globe. And um and and so if anyone wants to participate, they can do it online. But there's the real invitation is to do this wherever you are in Florida, where you are right now, back home in Italy, in your other home.
00:59:33
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You probably have a billion million homes around the planet, right? but But or anyone else who's watching to just, Self-organized. And there's some some instructions on how to do it, but you don't you can just do it online. But it's but but it's and and and the I guess the other piece is to learn how so many people. ah you This is the other part that's really fun in the conversation, because some people like, oh, you leave a little note for your flowers. So do I.
01:00:03
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Right. And, you know, often in town, we i live in Duluth, Minnesota right now, and you come out and you you're up on the ridge and you see the lake and it's the most beautiful thing.
01:00:15
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it's It's just spectacular. And in my head, it's like I'm always saying, like, you're so beautiful, like and and but often in a conversation, you'll find that other people say, oh,
01:00:27
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You do that too. And so in a way, this is to also help normalize it because in a group, when people realize that they're not the only ones who feel a little connection, they're not the only ones who feel moved.
01:00:40
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They're not the only ones who like might leave a little gift, right? You realize that there's this hidden underground feeling and connection to this more than human world, this beautiful planet Earth um to which we are a part and intimately woven.
01:00:57
Speaker
And like, what a beautiful thing that is. And what if, what if it became normal to just acknowledge that and live it every day instead of sort of hiding it and make it feel like what we're doing and saying is totally weird because it's not. We're all doing it.
01:01:15
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We're all in love. We have love languages for one another and this planet. And it's a beautiful thing. So it's an invitation. I love this. And I'm definitely going to be including everything in the show notes. So you will have the links so you can find the one sacred earth project and also your aliveness project. and we didn't have chance to talk about it in detail, but I am just so grateful for everything that you just said, Jamie, everything that you just, that you shared, because it it is true. It's, it's about recognizing that we, you know, you're not, again, you're not alone. Like,
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You're not alone in doing this. You're not alone in feeling these feelings. You're not alone and that. you know Once you have others around you and you recognize that you're not alone in this, then hopefully it becomes a deeper part of your life because you you kind of, again, give yourself permission. It's not something that's weird or something in that negative sense. Well, I am weird, but in a good sense, ah but it's not something that you know you have to hide, let's say it in that way.
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And so thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Any last, before wrap this up, any last second, second things that you want to add?
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i'm Not really. It's just a delight. It's just a delight having met you and and walking this walk this journey on on life right with you. And um and look look forward to more conversations with you and others in the community and and and and on the various paths and in this in this journey of life and what it means to be an ecological being. So, yeah.
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I that feeling is 100% mutual and everything you talked about is exactly the reason why you know I founded the naturally conscious community it is that space where all of us can come and express and and share and recognize again that you're not alone that there are others and that there's many different ways for you to express this so.
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If you're looking for this type of community, if you want to have a place, please go check out the One Sacred Earth Project, but also come in and, you know, tip your toes into the naturally conscious community.
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Experience what it is and all the things that we have going on there, the deep conversations, the meditations, the ways to communicate with plants and other beings, and just all the different things that are challenging these old ways of thinking that,
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You know you have to be one way, but instead it's giving space to the wonders, the mysteries, the the multiple avenues that exist in life. And again, if you're looking for any kind of personal guidance, if you want to bring this deeper into your life and you're not really sure how, or maybe you have some beautiful projects and you just want to kind of give them. a little boost of energy. Remember that as a nature inspiring mentor and coach, I am always here for you. all you have to do is just reach out and let's have a conversation of how we can co-create something beautiful together.
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So thank you so much for listening, for being here, for exploring all these ideas together. You know, we're learning from the plants, but we're also learning with the plants. And those mysteries and wondrous ways are going to carry us into exactly what we need to co-create for this beautiful planet that we live on. So thank you so much for this episode. Please remember to resist the urge to hold back your emerging green brilliance.
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That's it. And for Jamie, we're out. Bye everyone. Thanks for tuning into this episode of reconnect with plant wisdom to continue these conversations. Join us in the naturally conscious community.
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Until next time, remember, resist the urge to hold back your emerging green brilliance. I'm out. Bye.