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Top 12 Dynasty Rankings
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Welcome into the ZNG Dynasty podcast where we are diving into the top 12 Dynasty Rankings at each position. Join us for some fun football talk while you listen to one of your favorite podcasts!
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Intro
Welcome Back & Return to Podcasting
00:00:39
Lord Hinkie
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another episode of the ZNG Dynasty podcast. And man, do we have a good one in hand for you guys today. i just want to welcome our ourselves back quickly. i don't know if you want to do this with me, Ninja, but...
00:01:00
ninja
Yeah.
00:01:01
Lord Hinkie
It's been a long time. We said that as soon as we hopped on the podcast today. It's been way too long. So thank you guys for being patient. We know it's the offseason. Thank you guys for tuning in.
00:01:11
Lord Hinkie
i am, yeah as you already know, my right-hand man, my go-to guy.
NFL Offseason & Episode Introduction
00:01:17
Lord Hinkie
He's here with me today. Ninja, say hi to the people, big fella.
00:01:20
ninja
Yo, what's going on, everybody? Thank you, guys. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Once again, it's the NFL offseason, so we're doing a little bit of the summer thing, you know, trying to see some family, go on vacation, drink some wine, drink some beer.
00:01:33
ninja
What?
00:01:33
Lord Hinkie
What?
00:01:34
ninja
So, you know, can't always be here to record, but we're back, baby. We are back and ready.
00:01:40
Lord Hinkie
I need a wood button I can play on the podcast. That's going to be our next thing. Ty, submit a wood sound for us. That way we can add it to the podcast. Thank you very much. Thank you for tuning in. But yeah, I mean, without further ado, obviously we got some life things going on. Both been a little bit busy. Glad we were able to get together today for you guys. We have a fun one in store.
00:01:59
Lord Hinkie
Ninja. I know you were excited to do this one. i was very excited to do this one. We have... Dynasty top 12 rankings at all of our positions for you guys today. So just to clarify, Dynasty rankings, these are not redraft rankings. These are not C2C. These are not you know your buddy's hometown league. like These are Dynasty long-term outlook rankings. So age will be a big factor in these for the most part. You know, got have a couple of those old heads in there as well.
00:02:29
Lord Hinkie
But yeah, Ninja, anything to say to the people before we head right into it, big guy?
00:02:34
ninja
No, let's get rolling.
00:02:57
Lord Hinkie
Ninja, do you want to go first? Give me your top six quarterbacks in Dynasty, big fella. One through six.
Dynasty Quarterback Rankings Debate
00:03:05
ninja
Happily, at number one, is there any big shock here? My guy, Caleb Williams, holds down my number one slot. Drake May is at two.
00:03:18
ninja
Josh Allen is three. we got Joe Burr at four. Lamar Jackson at five. And then Jalen Hurts is at six.
00:03:27
Lord Hinkie
Ooh, okay. Yeah, I mean, I guess I'll just go right into mine, then we can talk about where our differences are. But I have Drake May at one. And I know I've always been a big Drake May guy. i love Drake May. And the year he had last year, for me, he's the top slot for now. I have Caleb Williams at two.
00:03:46
Lord Hinkie
You can coin flip him. I said this, I think, last year during the Hot Takes pod that Drake May and Caleb Williams going be one of the two top quarterbacks in the league next year. And here we are talking about being one, two.
00:03:57
Lord Hinkie
So Drake May, Caleb Williams, Josh Allen at three, Joe Burrow at four, Lamar Jackson at five. And then I have... Jaden Daniels at six.
00:04:13
ninja
Okay.
00:04:14
Lord Hinkie
so So, yeah, if you want to talk about talk about those top two guys for me, Drake made Caleb Williams for you.
00:04:21
ninja
Yeah, I mean, I've always been a Caleb Williams guy. Always have been, always will be. i just see plays where he he looks like a young Aaron Rodgers. Back when he was doing crazy things behind the line of scrimmage, rolling a ri rolling around, rolling away, rolling through, back foot throws,
00:04:40
ninja
All that placement stuff with his throws is just stuff I've never seen before. And by never seen, i have. It's one of the all-time greats I've ever seen. And then Drake May, like you said, it's a coin flip.
00:04:51
ninja
Those two guys we both loved in our scouting process. I think they both finished 1-2 in our scouting process, and they just so happened, hey, we were spot on, like everyone was, I think.
00:05:01
Lord Hinkie
Pretty good, man. We're pretty good.
00:05:04
ninja
You love to see it. like For me, there's not much difference between the two. i just have a preference.
00:05:10
Lord Hinkie
Totally fair. And so do I. So totally even. And then I think we are consistent with each other through three, four, and five. we all have We each have Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson at our next three there. And I'm sure you feel the same way, but it's just it's long-term consistency at the top of league. I mean, Josh Allen's been doing it for years now, but he is getting up there in age. Joe Burrow, if he stays healthy, he's been doing it for years now. And Lamar Jackson's just – He's a stat pad machine. so there's no reason not to have him in your top six. You know, injuries aside, those guys are going to be great. And they're, they, they seem like the safest picks out of probably this whole top six.
00:05:50
ninja
Definitely. definitely
00:05:52
Lord Hinkie
And then I guess the only difference we have, which is also slight, if we, you know, I have, Hurts one position below Jaden Daniels, but I have Jaden Daniels ahead of him strictly because of just age.
00:06:04
Lord Hinkie
I think Jaden Daniels has a very bright future, and he has that running upside that not a lot of quarterbacks have in this league. So if Jaden Daniels can get healthy and stay healthy, I think he's going to have a you know pretty good career.
00:06:18
ninja
I agree. The main question is, is that injury history? I've been nagging on it for a while now. Those injuries scare me.
00:06:22
Lord Hinkie
It's very...
00:06:23
ninja
And they're not just like your typical injuries. They're scary like upper arm stuff. Not a fan of it.
00:06:27
Lord Hinkie
Yeah. And like in the past, I think he had an ACL like a lot of he's got a slight build. And we talked about this when he came out. He's got to be able to take NFL hits, but on some weight. And honestly, they need to build a little bit better an off offensive line around them, too. But to be determined.
00:06:45
Lord Hinkie
And then the Z in our ZNG podcast, I'm going to throw out his numbers now. Zig was not able to join us as always, but he did actually put together some rankings for us. So Ninja, I'm going to get your raw.
00:06:58
Lord Hinkie
I have his rankings. I've looked at these already. I'm just going to throw out a disclaimer here. You guys listen to the podcast. Don't take this too seriously.
00:07:08
Lord Hinkie
Love Zig to death. He is my main my main man, my best man, if you will. But you can't take these two seriously. Zig's out here to have a good time, not a long time, you know. But here we go. Zig's top six quarterbacks. He has Drake May at one.
00:07:21
Lord Hinkie
Josh Allen at two. Joe Burrow at three. Lamar Jackson at four. Jalen Hurts at five. And he has Caleb Williams at six.
00:07:34
ninja
Yikes.
00:07:35
Lord Hinkie
i yeah I gave you a hint before this podcast, and I told him he is one of our guys very low on his rankings. I have no reason no reason why, and now you know. Yeah, he is Caleb Williams as a quarterback six.
00:07:51
ninja
and So all the names he said were the right names.
00:07:54
Lord Hinkie
Yes. There's one in a way out line. Yeah.
00:07:57
ninja
Yeah.
00:07:58
Lord Hinkie
well
00:08:00
ninja
It's kind of's almost like, hey, one doesn't belong here. like One's really sticking out too far. say what are we doing, buddy? Caleb Williams is at minimum top three.
00:08:09
Lord Hinkie
It's almost like he forgot. It's almost like he forgot his name and he was like, let me just add him to the list.
00:08:12
ninja
threw him in at the end.
00:08:13
Lord Hinkie
Yeah.
00:08:14
ninja
yes
00:08:15
Lord Hinkie
But, yeah. So, other than that, I mean, Drake, May, Allen, Burrow, Jackson, Hurts, pretty chalk there. Nothing wrong with that. I just think having Caleb Williams at six is just very...
00:08:26
ninja
So low. I'm so low.
00:08:26
Lord Hinkie
It's very interesting. Age, you know how he performed last year, outlook in fantasy and dynasty, is it's it's a hot take for sure. But he's always been a bit of a Caleb Williams doubter.
00:08:39
ninja
terrible.
00:08:40
Lord Hinkie
Terrible.
00:08:40
ninja
I'll fix him one day.
00:08:41
Lord Hinkie
All right, Ninja, give us your next six. Give us your seven through 12 on your top
Quarterback Rankings 7-12 Discussion
00:08:45
Lord Hinkie
12 quarterbacks. Yeah.
00:08:47
ninja
All right. Seven through 12. And I do have honorable mentions. So I'll name them after my top 12. So my seven is Baker Mayfield. My eight is CJ Stroud.
00:09:04
ninja
Here's where I'm goingnna lose you if I didn't lose you there. Number nine, I have Sam Darnold. Give me Sammy Wheels.
00:09:09
Lord Hinkie
Oh, my God.
00:09:10
ninja
Number 10, I have Patrick Mahomes. Number 11, I got Bo Nix. Number 12, I have Cam Ward. And two honorable mentions who just missed the cut were Jaden Daniels and Justin Herbert.
00:09:25
Lord Hinkie
Wow, man. Jaden Daniels outside your top 12 is kind of nuts.
00:09:28
ninja
Injuries.
00:09:29
Lord Hinkie
I get it. I get it.
00:09:30
ninja
Injuries.
00:09:30
Lord Hinkie
I do. Like, it's so tough. ZJ Stroud. I'm just going right now, Stroud's not on my list. Sam Dardos. I'm going to – I'll give you my next six, and then we'll talk about it. So at seven for me, i have Jalen Hurts right behind Jaden Daniels. You can obviously coin flip him for me.
00:09:50
Lord Hinkie
at eight, I have Bo Nix at nine. i have Patrick Mahomes at 10. I have Baker Mayfield at 11. I have Justin Herbert and at 12, I have Jordan love who I know. I'm the Jordan love guy of the podcast, but, and I kind of had to sneak him in there for myself, but I do, i do like Jordan love pretty good amount, especially feel like he's just so safe, but,
00:10:19
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, I mean, let's get to your list. So right off the bat, I think Sam Darnold is a very kind of outrageous dynasty take for me, if we're being honest.
00:10:31
ninja
Alright, do you want to hear the logic?
00:10:32
Lord Hinkie
So go ahead. Yes, go ahead and talk to me about having Sam Darnold at nine, was it?
00:10:37
ninja
Sam Darnold at 9.
00:10:40
ninja
The safest room of weapons in the NFL. Arguably, besides the top people in the top six. You look at any team and you go position group per position group, offensive line, wide receiver, running back.
00:10:55
ninja
Seattle's up there with one of the best units in the NFL. Sam Donald has an all-time, one of the better wide receivers right now, JSN. Their running backs, although I don't necessarily think they're top-heavy, i think they're very steady.
00:11:11
ninja
I think they're all going to be very good. And Seattle has finally started fixing that O-line. I think that's a really good unit. And I know they're without Clint Kubiak now, but I think the offense is still kind of going to churn the right type of way for the next three, four years.
00:11:28
ninja
Sam Darnold can easily finish inside the top 12. And I'm very happy with that. I think he's very safe.
00:11:35
Lord Hinkie
i I agree with you be with him being very safe. I just don't think it's like top 10 and dynasty safe. Like, I think it's like high-end QB2 safe.
00:11:47
Lord Hinkie
And if we're talking dynasty outlooks, like, there's no way Sam Darnold is the quarterback in Seattle for the next five years. Like, I think he might have another two maybe, especially because I think he only has two years left on his contract.
00:12:02
Lord Hinkie
Yeah. i I just think dynasty wise, that's kind of nuts. If you told me that was a redraft rankings, I'd be like, sure. But dynasty, I think that is kind of nuts.
00:12:13
Lord Hinkie
I do. And I love CJ Stroud. I'm, I have CJ Stroud in couple of dynasty leagues. I do think he's a very good player. I love what they're doing down there in Houston.
00:12:25
Lord Hinkie
tough year last year, tough playoffs for sure. kind of hard to get behind him like long-term because I think even the Texans might even have questions of him being their QB of the future.
00:12:36
Lord Hinkie
But I don't mind having him up at the top of the list as a bounce-back expectation. I would love to have him come back for his third year and just own it because I do think he can do that. I think he has talent.
00:12:46
Lord Hinkie
Just got to see it. Just got to see it.
00:12:49
ninja
Yeah, and everyone's going to weigh in that last year heavily into CJ Stroud. Let's kind of min-max it. Let's find the median with what he did his rookie year and what he did last year, which was not great.
00:13:01
ninja
He's going to finish somewhere in between, and that's a top 12 quarterback.
Top Dynasty Running Backs
00:13:05
ninja
And the weapons are only getting better.
00:13:05
Lord Hinkie
Yeah. Yeah. A couple honorable mentions for me. i was kind of debating on... putting Mendoza in this list. I just don't think I can trust him enough to put him at the top 12. And to me, honestly, the only reason I would do it is because I really like what the Raiders are doing as an offense and as a team. But I'm going to kind of wait and see it with Mendoza.
00:13:30
Lord Hinkie
And then to be honest, other than that, it was kind of tough to pick a 12th because once we got down this list more, I kind of didn't like the names as much as I thought I would. like Jackson Dart, I feel like neither of us having Jackson Dart are a top 12. Some people might see that as shocking, but obviously you're a big just art.
00:13:47
Lord Hinkie
I would, I would say hater. I'm not a believer in Jackson Dart, but fantasy wise, people might believe in him because he can run and he, you know, has big jewelry and stuff, but like, that's pretty much
00:14:02
ninja
All the swag.
00:14:04
Lord Hinkie
All the swag. If you're if we made the top 12 swag, he might make my top 10.
00:14:08
ninja
he He might make the list, yeah.
00:14:09
Lord Hinkie
Yeah. Dakotas, or Ziggler's, next six after his top six. Seven, he had Patrick Mahomes. Eight, he had Justin Herbert.
00:14:20
Lord Hinkie
Nine, he had Bo Nix. Ten, he had Trevor Lawrence, which we didn't talk about. Eleven, he had Jayden Daniels. So both of you guys are pretty low on Jayden Daniels compared to me. And twelve, he had Brock Purdy sneaking into his top 12.
00:14:34
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, don't love it. Obviously, he Zig's been a Trevor Lawrence guy since he was at Clemson, and I can get behind him having him in his top 12. Is it my guy for Zig? Sure. You know, he's still young. There's still been a good team running down there in Jacksonville. The pretty one's kind of shocking, especially because he has, like, no real weapons anymore. I mean, I guess they did get Mike Evans, but, like, he was hurt. CMC's on his last leg. Ayuk's gone.
00:15:02
Lord Hinkie
Pure soul. What is he?
00:15:05
ninja
Deshawn Stribling.
00:15:07
Lord Hinkie
Yeah. Like that's an awful pick. We've talked about that already, but that's just a horrendous pick.
00:15:10
ninja
Terrible.
00:15:11
Lord Hinkie
So the pretty one's a little questionable. I don't hate it, but it's very questionable. But other that, pretty chalk.
00:15:18
ninja
Very chalked. No real flaws. Trevor Lawrence is... I'm just not a T-Law guy. I don't have any hate.
00:15:23
Lord Hinkie
Yeah.
00:15:23
ninja
just I'm not a T-Law guy.
00:15:25
Lord Hinkie
I'm not a hater either. And I mean, I thought about putting him in my top 12, but I just didn't like him enough to put him in my top 12. Like if he, if I had to force him to be an honorable mention, I probably could say he can't be like 15 or something, but I don't want to force it. So it is what it is.
00:15:40
ninja
Yeah, he's not sitting at the cool kid table. Can't have him.
00:15:42
Lord Hinkie
Nah, nah, I put him at the little kid, little boy.
00:15:44
ninja
You're not invited to my birthday party.
00:15:46
Lord Hinkie
No, get off my balloons. I say we head into running backs here, so I'm going to start this list. I'm going to give you my top six running backs in Dynasty.
00:15:57
Lord Hinkie
For me, I i mean, i don't know if it's pretty controversial. I got Bajon Robinson at one. I have Jameer Gibbs at two. I have Ashton Gentry at three.
00:16:07
Lord Hinkie
I have, oh my God, I almost said Jordan Love. Why am I blanking on his first name? He just went the Cardinals running.
00:16:14
ninja
Jeremiah love.
00:16:15
Lord Hinkie
Jeremiah Love. Jesus, man. I was stuck on Jordan Love from the last list. Why do I host a podcast? At five, i have Amaran Hampton, and I have Devon Chan at six. And to be honest, I don't think it's going to be hard for me to accept any other...
00:16:31
Lord Hinkie
format You can tell me these people are in different orders, but like if you have any other top four, I think in Dynasty, I think it's a little weird. So B. John Gibbs, Gentile, and then Hampton and E. Chan for me, my top six. Hit me with yours.
00:16:46
ninja
Hey, buddy. I'm to do real proud here. We have the same six names, just a little different order.
00:16:50
Lord Hinkie
No. Okay. Okay, cool.
00:16:53
ninja
I have Jameer Gibbs at one.
00:16:55
Lord Hinkie
Sure.
00:16:56
ninja
Bijan two.
00:16:57
Lord Hinkie
Mm-hmm.
00:16:58
ninja
Gentty three. Jeremiah Love four. Devon A. Chain five. Omarion Hampton six.
00:17:04
Lord Hinkie
Oh, I'm actually higher on Hampton than i than you are. thought was surprised by that. I thought you would almost have Hampton inside the top four.
00:17:11
ninja
i just I think like last year was a little bit... like They didn't have an O-line. A-chain is just... He's going to have all the work for the next two, three years.
00:17:19
Lord Hinkie
And he catches all the passes.
00:17:21
ninja
All of them. So it's hard not to have him as highly as possible.
00:17:25
Lord Hinkie
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, B. John and Gibbs, I can see that. I can see Gibbs being in the running back one. I mean, he's going to have that backfield himself this year. To be honest, the debate for me was Gentian love, like who to have ahead of one another. And for me, I just think the team around Ashton Gentie will be a lot better this year than it will be for love this year.
00:17:47
Lord Hinkie
And, you know, Gentie got a year under his belt. He's getting a better quarterback. He's getting a better offensive line. He's getting a way better head coach. And Jeremiah Love, I feel like, is maybe a year away from that, maybe two years away from that. So I'm going to go Gentry there.
00:18:02
Lord Hinkie
Go ahead.
00:18:02
ninja
i know I know a big talking point, especially this offseason, was during the draft process. We all compare Jeremiah Love. Would we take him above Gentry? A lot of people I know said yes.
00:18:16
ninja
The reason Jeremiah Love is four and Ashton Gentry is three is because I went back and I looked at my notes and I looked at some tape. I would still take Ashton Gentry above Jeremiah Love if they were in the same draft class.
00:18:29
Lord Hinkie
I think I would agree. It's very it's a very much a coin flip.
00:18:32
ninja
It's close.
00:18:33
Lord Hinkie
It's very much a coin flip for me, but I think I would agree. I think if you were to throw the two players as prospects, just blankly just these two players, who is better, I think I might even lean Jeremiah Love as a better player just because I think his pass-catching side of things is way better than Jente's is right now. but I think if you throw everything into consideration, like Jente being already on the Raiders, who were kind of up on the up and coming already in the NFL for a year, and now you throw Jeremiah Love in maybe the worst case scenario he could have gotten during draft day, I think i think that makes it like a no-brainer for me.
00:19:09
ninja
Oh yeah. Yeah.
00:19:12
ninja
Yeah. i No disagreements here. Yes.
00:19:15
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, and then Hampton and Nate Chan, like we said earlier, it kind of went flip again for me. I like Hampton a little bit more just because I like the player a lot more. And I can i can hope that the Chargers can kind of turn around and stay healthy on the offensive line.
00:19:24
ninja
Yes.
00:19:30
Lord Hinkie
But A-Chan's still going to be great. I mean, he's going to catch everything down there for Miami.
00:19:34
ninja
i want I want Hampton to have a full year. You know what i mean? I don't want any like nagging little injuries throughout the year where he's out a couple of games.
00:19:37
Lord Hinkie
Yes.
00:19:41
ninja
I want a full year of Amarion Hampton.
00:19:43
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, and to be fair to each hand, I think if anyone on this list can be like a surprising running back one at the end of the year, I think it could be.
00:19:50
ninja
Oh, yeah.
00:19:50
Lord Hinkie
and Like, I think he there's a world he finishes the
00:19:54
ninja
I think it's a very real possibility. Like, if we just said, who's going to finish as the RB1, not name Jameer Gibbs or Bijan Robinson, I'd probably say Devon A. Chain for next year
00:20:04
Lord Hinkie
He'd probably be my... It'd be A-Chan or Gentty for me would be like the the top two names on my list. and like Realistically, A-Chan can catch 80 balls for Miami.
00:20:13
ninja
Oh yeah
00:20:13
Lord Hinkie
and If he has 10 to 15 touchdowns, like that's that's an RB top throw.
00:20:18
ninja
yeah. PPR nightmare.
00:20:20
Lord Hinkie
Oh, he's going to be amazing. Dakotas. We're going to go to Zig's top six. He's also pretty chalky for the most part, besides one. His number one is Bijan. Number two is Gibbs. Number three is Love.
00:20:32
Lord Hinkie
Four is Gente. Five is Jonathan Taylor. And six, he has a Mariana Hampton.
00:20:37
ninja
Hmm.
00:20:38
Lord Hinkie
So big Jonathan Taylor guy over here, which I guess we can talk about a little bit on our next list. But really the only shocking name on there is JT. So other than that, it's pretty chalky.
00:20:50
ninja
Soundstruck to me.
00:20:53
Lord Hinkie
I'll give you my next six. So my seven through 12 running back position after each hand, I have quinch on Judkins at seven, James cook at eight, Trayvon Henderson at nine, Jonathan Taylor at 10. have Saquon at 11 and I have Kenneth Walker at 12.
00:21:14
Lord Hinkie
I threw a couple old heads in there just to keep things spicy.
00:21:17
ninja
Yeah, you do have a couple old heads in there.
00:21:19
Lord Hinkie
Yeah. What do you got? Contact me through your 7 through 12.
00:21:22
ninja
Here we go. all right. Number seven, James Cook.
00:21:29
Lord Hinkie
Okay.
00:21:29
ninja
Number eight is Saquon Barkley. Number is Quinshawn Judkins.
00:21:32
Lord Hinkie
Oh, okay. Okay.
00:21:35
ninja
That was so close for me, Saquon Judkins.
00:21:38
Lord Hinkie
Okay.
00:21:38
ninja
Number 10 is Jonathan Taylor. Number 11 is Bayshall Tootin.
00:21:44
Lord Hinkie
Oh,
00:21:46
ninja
And number 12, my guy, Kyle Money Guy.
00:21:47
Lord Hinkie
i
00:21:52
Lord Hinkie
I knew you had a couple of my guys in here. Okay. So I think we can kind of that top four for you, Cook, Barkley, Judkins, Jonathan Taylor, pretty established players.
00:22:06
Lord Hinkie
Judkins, I think for me, I have him higher because I think that he's going to get all the work there for the Browns. If they can get a quarterback next year,
00:22:16
Lord Hinkie
I think their team is going to be pretty good. And I love the player.
00:22:18
ninja
Shador is the guy there. They got the guy.
00:22:21
ninja
I don't know.
00:22:24
Lord Hinkie
So I think he can definitely be really good.
00:22:24
ninja
Yeah.
00:22:25
Lord Hinkie
And then you know Barkley, you're actually higher on him than I am. But I think he can definitely have a bounce back year. Cook, more of the same old, same old. Jonathan Taylor, same old, same old.
00:22:36
Lord Hinkie
Bashal, too, and for me, was not a mention. So think we kind of we can kind of –
00:22:39
ninja
Okay. I thought, okay.
00:22:41
Lord Hinkie
later
00:22:42
ninja
I knew I was reaching with one. i thought I was like, this is a little less of a reach.
00:22:45
Lord Hinkie
but Okay.
00:22:45
ninja
This is projections, and this is like Basial Toon. I think we'll finish as a top 12 running back the next three years.
00:22:55
Lord Hinkie
Okay. Okay. So let's let's get some Monongai out of the way. I think Kyle Monongai being your top 12 is ridiculous. And I think you also know it's ridiculous.
00:23:03
ninja
Whoa, here we go.
00:23:05
Lord Hinkie
And I'd love you for that.
00:23:06
ninja
There's some... there's some reasoning behind such things.
00:23:09
Lord Hinkie
Okay. Okay.
00:23:11
ninja
all right. So for one, almost immediately took away half the backfield from Deandre Swift first year. Yes.
00:23:18
Lord Hinkie
I agree.
00:23:19
ninja
It's a fact to,
00:23:20
Lord Hinkie
oh yeah. He incredibly outperformed his rookie year.
00:23:23
ninja
to outperform Deandre Swift on a snap by snap percentage all of last year when he played. That is a fact.
00:23:30
Lord Hinkie
He's the better running back there for sure.
00:23:32
ninja
And three, DeAndre Swift has never really been able to have a full year completely healthy ever.
00:23:40
ninja
I think Kyle Monungay is poised and will have that room, I think at the start of this year, where they make DeAndre Swift a third down back only and Kyle Monungay gets first and second down work on every drive.
00:23:55
ninja
Okay.
00:23:58
Lord Hinkie
I mean, I can see the vision. I can see it. I think Swift has a more of a role there than i think you're saying that you're expecting him to.
00:24:08
Lord Hinkie
Now, I agree with you. I think Monongai is the better running back there in Chicago. I will give you that. I think Monongai is the better player right now. But I think they're still going to run a committee. Like, I always forget.
00:24:26
Lord Hinkie
the head coach's name, Ben Johnson.
00:24:27
ninja
Ben Johnson.
00:24:29
Lord Hinkie
I always want to say Brian Johnson. I don't know why. i don't even know. bre Brian Johnson was the old offense coordinator for the birds. The guy who sucked.
00:24:36
ninja
Yes, he was.
00:24:38
Lord Hinkie
That's he always pops in my head. I always want to say Brian Johnson, but it's Ben Johnson. But I think they're going to run a committee style like Ben Johnson did in Detroit like he did last year. And I think they're going to kind of do more of that.
00:24:51
Lord Hinkie
Now, if you're going to tell me to pick a running back in Chicago, I'm picking Kamanunga. And I think you can kind of, you can, you can hang your hat on that because that is because of you.
00:24:57
ninja
Thank you.
00:25:02
Lord Hinkie
I was a Kamanunga hater. I was, I thought he's, I thought he was a scrub.
00:25:05
ninja
Thank
00:25:06
Lord Hinkie
I did. I'll give it to you. I'll give you flowers.
00:25:10
ninja
you.
00:25:10
Lord Hinkie
Where's a, here you Right there.
00:25:12
ninja
Thank you.
00:25:12
Lord Hinkie
Is he your guy? You turn me around on him. And if I had to pick a running him back in Chicago, give him a non-guy. But at the same time, he's not a top 12 running back.
00:25:21
Lord Hinkie
If DeAndre Swift wasn't there, i would I'd be more into this. But it's hard for me to get behind a committee guy being in the top 12.
00:25:31
ninja
I agree it's going to be
00:25:31
Lord Hinkie
And not saying it's going to be committee.
00:25:35
ninja
it's going to be a committee.
00:25:35
Lord Hinkie
It's going to be 60-40. Yeah. Yeah.
00:25:37
ninja
As long as Monongais is 60, which I think is what it's going to go to.
00:25:41
Lord Hinkie
yeah
00:25:41
ninja
I think he's going to be the leading share of this committee.
00:25:45
Lord Hinkie
I agree. But if you told me that's running back 16, I feel a lot better about it than 12. That's all I'm saying.
00:25:50
ninja
Well, you know, ain't the hot take ninja for nothing.
00:25:52
Lord Hinkie
It is what it is. Exactly. But let's talk about Bashaw to him because like a lot. I like a lot of what you got going on over there.
00:26:03
Lord Hinkie
So.
00:26:03
ninja
Just wait for the hot takes pod. Here we go.
00:26:05
Lord Hinkie
I'm excited for that one, too. But had a very good last year in the, you know, small sample size that he had to, like, fully take over and, like, be the guy. Now he is the guy. There's no one there in Jacksonville that, like, who's taking touches away from him?
00:26:22
Lord Hinkie
I'm actually going to pull up the roster right now.
00:26:23
ninja
LaQuint Allen.
00:26:25
Lord Hinkie
Yes. Like, who?
00:26:28
ninja
You were a LeQuint Allen guy, though, weren't you?
00:26:28
Lord Hinkie
Who? I was, but like he's not taking touches away from Bashar Tootin. Chris Rodriguez, no.
00:26:36
ninja
Yeah, heck no.
00:26:36
Lord Hinkie
Amir Abdullah, he's still in the NFL.
00:26:38
ninja
Good for him, actually.
00:26:39
Lord Hinkie
Bashar Tootin's going to be the guy. Yeah, he's he's me.
00:26:40
ninja
You know what? Shout out, Amir Abdullah.
00:26:42
Lord Hinkie
If you need a kick returner, call Amir Abdullah. If you want 20 yards on a kick return, call Amir Abdullah.
00:26:45
ninja
Yeah.
00:26:48
Lord Hinkie
but I like tooting a lot. I think he's a very good player. Fast as all get out, as you know, Ninja would say, and he's going to get the backfield there for Jacksonville. So if he stays healthy and he is fully given the reins, I could see this for sure.
00:27:03
Lord Hinkie
He's not a mention for me.
00:27:03
ninja
Darn tootin'. Yeah, love it. Oh, I didn't even mention, i have an honorable mention. My honorable mention is Bucky Irving.
00:27:10
Lord Hinkie
Sure. Yeah. No more Rashad white there.
00:27:14
ninja
Yes.
00:27:15
Lord Hinkie
But they brought in Kenneth Walker or Kenny Gainwell.
00:27:19
ninja
Yeah, I don't know how much that really... they They both play similar roles. That's why I'm like a...
00:27:23
Lord Hinkie
Yeah.
00:27:24
ninja
man
00:27:25
Lord Hinkie
It is what it is. Yeah. But yeah, I've never been a but big Bucky Irving guy, but that's fine to me. Yeah. But I think my list is pretty chalk. Let's get to Ziggs.
00:27:37
Lord Hinkie
Ziggs, 7 through 12. At 7, he has James Cook. At 8, he has Brees Hall, who missed both of our lists and our own mentions. At 9, he has Saquon. At 10, he has Kenneth Walker. At 11, he has Cam Scadaboo.
00:27:51
Lord Hinkie
And 12, has Trevion Henderson. So two names off the bat, Brees Hall being at his 8th.
00:27:58
ninja
It's a little warm for me.
00:28:00
Lord Hinkie
To me honest, I think if we're asking consensus, like if you Googled like dynasty rankings around the board, i bet you Kenneth Wall or Brees Hall is within a lot of people's top 12 just because he's.
00:28:12
ninja
If you went on CBS right now and looked, I think he's top 12.
00:28:14
Lord Hinkie
Yes, all those analysts are probably have Brees Hall top 12 and like, sure, like he's young.
00:28:15
ninja
Yeah.
00:28:19
Lord Hinkie
He's the starter for the Jets. You know, he's performed well when he stayed healthy, but like I. I don't i don't think Brees Hall has all that, at least for me.
00:28:28
Lord Hinkie
I know he signed that extension with the Jets, but to be honest, I wanted him to go somewhere else. So I just don't – I don't love the player.
00:28:34
ninja
Same.
00:28:36
Lord Hinkie
I don't love the situation either. So I'm kind of – I like Braylon.
00:28:39
ninja
I like Braylon Allen a lot more.
00:28:41
Lord Hinkie
I think Braylon's a player. They even have that third guy, Austin Davis, who I think is – don't think he's good.
00:28:45
ninja
Isaiah Davis, I think it is.
00:28:47
ninja
Yeah.
00:28:48
Lord Hinkie
Like I don't think he's good, but i think he's fine. Yeah. So I don't, I'm not fully in the breeze hall.
00:28:56
ninja
No, me neither. I got my eggs out of that basket.
00:28:58
Lord Hinkie
But yeah, I have no eggs in that basket. Kim's got to 11. Zig has always been a Kim's got to be guy.
00:29:04
ninja
that's such That's the most zig pick he could have had.
00:29:07
Lord Hinkie
They couldn't pick a more Zig guy.
00:29:07
ninja
Yeah.
00:29:08
Lord Hinkie
Like, I feel like if Zig were to end up being a running back in the NFL, he would be Kim Scadaboo because he's just going to run his head into that wall and not think twice about it.
00:29:15
ninja
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
00:29:20
Lord Hinkie
I think Zig loves that about Kim. So it's just like, sure. Like, he he found a guy that he can relate to in the NFL. So he's just backing him, you know.
00:29:34
ninja
Like, Camp Scataboo plays like Shorzy from Shorzy.
00:29:37
Lord Hinkie
Yeah.
00:29:38
ninja
Like, just just hits people, talks and, like, that's such a Zig thing to, like...
00:29:43
ninja
Like, Zig was a football player, that's all he would do.
00:29:44
Lord Hinkie
Just fall in love with that guy.
00:29:46
ninja
like He's like, yeah, that's my boy.
00:29:46
Lord Hinkie
Exactly. Exactly. So I think Zig, Zig sees himself in an NFL football player and he's like, I love that guy. No matter what he does or what happens to him.
00:29:57
Lord Hinkie
I love that guy. So I respect it, but like, I don't agree. Like, I don't think Cam's that good. And I don't think the Giants.
00:30:03
ninja
mean Me neither, but I respect the take.
00:30:05
Lord Hinkie
Yeah. Like, I think if Cam Scadaboo somehow played 16 games and he, like, was fully healthy for a season, I think he can probably have a pretty good year. I just don't. I i don't think that's physically possible for the guy. I don't think so.
00:30:18
ninja
I have no faith in that. Yeah.
00:30:20
Lord Hinkie
Like, if you told me Cam Scadaboo played nine games every year for the rest of his career, like every season for the rest of his career, I'd be like, yeah, that makes sense.
00:30:29
ninja
I'd be happy if he played like another five years, but he was only at like a 50% snap share. Like I'd be happy for him.
00:30:37
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, like I think that guy, they need to get a committee guy just to save Cam Scottiebu's future.
00:30:39
ninja
Like.
00:30:44
ninja
Yeah, he's he's got CTE ingrained in his DNA.
00:30:46
Lord Hinkie
like If he wants to see 45, if Cam Scottiebu wants to live to 45, the Giants need to get him a backup running back.
00:30:48
ninja
Yeah.
00:30:54
Lord Hinkie
They need to find a committee guy. like if If that guy wants to see his grandkids grow up, he needs a backup, man. I'm sorry, but he does.
00:31:03
ninja
house How's he going to riff with the boys in the backyard throwing up hoops if, you know, your brain a't your brain ain't working.
00:31:07
Lord Hinkie
Yeah. Yeah.
00:31:12
Lord Hinkie
He can't form sentence because his brain's scrambling eggs.
00:31:12
ninja
It's scrambled.
00:31:19
ninja
Love that, though.
00:31:22
Lord Hinkie
Let's move on to some wide receivers here. This to be a fun list. I'm excited for this list. I think I went pretty chalky for the most part, which I kind of hate in myself, but also...
00:31:33
ninja
Yeah, step out on a limb.
00:31:33
Lord Hinkie
I'm giving these people my honest beliefs, and if I believe in them, I'm going to throw it here. So my top six, my one through six and wide receivers. I have Jamar Chase at one.
00:31:44
Lord Hinkie
i have JSN at two. I have Sun God. I'm Rossi Brown at three. I have Puka Nakua at four. I have Justin Jefferson at five, and I have Malik Neighbors at six.
00:31:57
ninja
Okay.
00:31:59
Lord Hinkie
Now you hit me. Hit me where it hurts.
00:32:02
ninja
Some pretty similar names here.
00:32:03
Lord Hinkie
I know he's on the next list you know
00:32:04
ninja
Minus one, which I'm upset. I'm very upset.
00:32:09
ninja
and so And the listeners, you already know. You already know. But number one is Jamar Chase. Dang, and I couldn't move him up that high. Number two, my boy, Nico Collins, baby.
00:32:20
Lord Hinkie
yeah had to be
00:32:22
ninja
Love me some nikco Number three is JSN, which I have to go back on. Last year I was saying JSN was being way too highly drafted, way too overhyped.
00:32:33
ninja
I was expecting like a mid-wide receiver two finish. Everyone was hyping more than that. So for that, especially, let me apologize to the one and the only, the Professor Joe Thomas.
00:32:38
Lord Hinkie
Yeah.
00:32:43
ninja
I was wrong, buddy. You had me cooked from the box in that one.
00:32:45
Lord Hinkie
Yeah.
00:32:47
ninja
So let me just stand aside to say i was wrong. JSN number three.
00:32:50
Lord Hinkie
And no one can't say you're a real one because you got like, as much as we can talk about our W's, we got to be able to talk about our L's too.
00:32:56
ninja
I'll take my licks when they come, you know?
00:32:58
Lord Hinkie
Yeah.
00:32:59
ninja
Number four is The Sun God. Number five is Jay Jets.
00:33:02
Lord Hinkie
Okay.
00:33:04
ninja
And then number six is Malik Nabors.
00:33:07
Lord Hinkie
Okay, cool.
Wide Receiver Rankings & Debates
00:33:09
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, obviously I think, you know, Nico being the one off my list, now yours, he was always going to be there. You know, I expected him to be no less. I expected him to be no more. If you would have told me one, I think we would have had a conversation. But like Malik or Nico being your number two, being a my guy, like I can see it. I can see it for sure.
00:33:28
Lord Hinkie
i was close to putting him in my top six, but he is right right below that for me. But other than that, I think it's pretty chalky. I really have nothing to talk about.
00:33:37
ninja
Pretty chalky.
00:33:38
Lord Hinkie
Yeah. Zig's top six are pretty similar for the most part. Less similar names. He has Jamar Chase at one. Puka Nakua at two.
00:33:50
Lord Hinkie
JSN at three, Sun God at four, Justin Jefferson at five, and CeeDee Lamb at six. So a couple of different names there for Zig. And I think one of them we can talk about, because I noticed he is very different on all of our lists, is Zig has Puka Nakua at two.
00:34:07
Lord Hinkie
I have Puka Nakua at four, and I don't think he made your top six.
00:34:12
ninja
He did not.
00:34:14
Lord Hinkie
So is he in your top 12? Okay.
00:34:16
ninja
He absolutely is. He just missed my top six.
00:34:17
Lord Hinkie
okay I figured he was probably right below that.
00:34:21
ninja
Yep.
00:34:22
Lord Hinkie
But I think he you know has been a lot of topic for discussion recently. He has a couple off the field things, kind of getting some off the field stuff figured out. But I think he is a guy who is just either super, super consistent or it's kind of like you either love him or you hate him kind of guy.
00:34:40
Lord Hinkie
Obviously, Zig loves him. He has him at two. I like him. I have him at four. You like him little bit less. You have him outside your top six. So is there a reason that you're maybe a little bit lower on Pukunokua than you know most consensus?
00:34:54
ninja
No, I just like neither of you guys said, neither of you guys said Nico in your top six.
00:34:56
Lord Hinkie
Just like other guys more?
00:35:00
ninja
And I was like, I think that was our only name difference was I had Nico in my top six and you guys didn't.
00:35:03
Lord Hinkie
Yeah.
00:35:05
ninja
So it's, and I love Nico more than a lot of people I know very closely. So, you know, it is what it is.
00:35:13
Lord Hinkie
Yeah,
00:35:14
ninja
I'm still trying to get a signed Jersey on pristine. And as soon as it gets under like 50 bucks, I'm there, but hasn't made it there yet.
00:35:21
Lord Hinkie
dude. They're flying, dude.
00:35:24
ninja
Nico Collins jerseys are going upwards of $100 right now. And I can't do it.
00:35:27
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, dude. He's player. He's a baller. He's going be up there.
00:35:31
ninja
He's a stud.
00:35:32
Lord Hinkie
Speaking of pristine auction, I've been buying a lot of Andrew McCuba jerseys, so I really hope he balls out this year for the birds. Get in the starting spot at safety. So we'll see. We'll see. We'll see. But, yeah, going back to Pukunikua, think he is definitely slated to be, you know, on the back of Matthew Stafford, which that whole Rams team kind of is. Yeah.
00:35:55
Lord Hinkie
My only thing with Puka is that I feel like they've always have this second option for the Rams that takes away from him being like the number one guy, which I guess that's the conversation we have a Puka. It's like, is he the best wide receiver in the league dynasty-wise, or is he in that 5-6, 4-5-6 range? And the reason he's in the 4-5-6 range is because they have a Devontae Adams, and they have a Kyron Williams, and they have other weapons to go to. So...
00:36:21
Lord Hinkie
That's the only difference for me, but he is, he is an incredible player. I would love to hear Ziggs take on why he has him at two. I do think that's kind of nuts having him above Jason.
00:36:28
ninja
It's a little high for me, but yeah.
00:36:30
Lord Hinkie
Yeah. I was trying to find a reason to bring Pukuniku down, but I actually just couldn't find any. So that's where we are.
00:36:38
ninja
Happens.
00:36:40
Lord Hinkie
Ninja, talk to me about your seven through 12.
00:36:44
Lord Hinkie
And then how about we'll save honorable mentions for the end?
00:36:44
ninja
This is where we get spicy, fellas.
00:36:47
Lord Hinkie
Cause I feel like we're both kind of a lot of names.
00:36:49
ninja
Yes, there's... Alright, you're going to hear my 12. There's going to be... i have five honorable mentions that are interchangeable.
00:36:56
Lord Hinkie
Yes, I have. Yeah, i have like five as well.
00:36:59
ninja
Alright, so as mentioned, number 7 is Puka Nakua. Number 8, I have Tett McMillan. Number 9, I have Roma Dunze. Number 10, I have Devonta Smith.
00:37:13
ninja
Number 11, my guy, Denzel Boston.
00:37:13
Lord Hinkie
Oh, love
00:37:18
ninja
And then number 12, our guy, Makai Lemon.
00:37:23
Lord Hinkie
Wow. He went very,
00:37:27
ninja
It's his Dynasty Outlook, fellas.
00:37:29
Lord Hinkie
very, very age rookie favored.
00:37:29
ninja
Dynasty Outlook.
00:37:34
ninja
I wouldn't do it if I didn't have so much belief in what I scouted this past year.
00:37:41
Lord Hinkie
Man, to be honest, it's probably the right way to go. Because like looking at how I'll give you my list first, just to compare and contrast. So at my 7, I have Nico.
00:37:53
Lord Hinkie
have Nico rated 7 for me. I have 8. I have CeeDee Lamb, which I don't think you have on your list. At 9, I have Drake London, who I also think you don't have on your list.
00:38:04
Lord Hinkie
I have Tett McMillan at 10. I have Emeka Edbuka at 11. And I have Roma Dunze at 12. So right off the bat, I think we're both pretty big Roma Dunze guys.
00:38:18
Lord Hinkie
I like him a lot compared very well with that Caleb Williams. I think that has a lot to do with it as well.
00:38:28
Lord Hinkie
I got to ask you, no CeeDee Lamb, no Drake London. Are they honorable mentions for you?
00:38:34
ninja
Sure.
00:38:34
Lord Hinkie
Okay, figured they would be. And then the other one, Emeka Ibuka. A little bit differently. I'm pretty high on him. I like him a lot for Tampa Bay. I like him a lot paired with Baker Mayfield. They've now moved on from Mike Evans as well. So I think Ibuka is going to be the guy there.
00:38:50
Lord Hinkie
Do you have him as an honorable mention?
00:38:52
ninja
No, I do not.
00:38:53
Lord Hinkie
Interesting. Okay, do you want to talk about him a little bit?
00:38:57
ninja
Yeah, Emeka Edbuka, I like. I always did like him. I think actually in our draft process when he came out, I was highest on Emeka Edbuka out of the both of us.
00:39:07
Lord Hinkie
Yes, that's why I'm a little surprised you don't have them there.
00:39:12
ninja
My thing is, is I'm a big Chris Godwin guy.
00:39:17
Lord Hinkie
Mm-hmm.
00:39:18
ninja
I'm a pretty big Jalen McMillan guy. In early OTA reports, I'm hearing Jalen McMillan is out showing a Mecca Buka.
00:39:29
Lord Hinkie
Whoa.
00:39:31
ninja
Those are the reports I'm hearing.
00:39:32
Lord Hinkie
I haven't heard those.
00:39:34
ninja
So, I'm just being a little cautious. Now, if you were to say, if I were to make a top 15, he'd be an honorable mention on the top 15.
00:39:43
Lord Hinkie
Okay, so he's just he's like just outside your honorable mentions.
00:39:46
ninja
he's He's the tier below. he's If I created my wide receiver twos, he's definitely in there somewhere. It's just I don't... Of course, I'm going to get wild with I threw a couple rookies in here, and I have a couple other my guys who we haven't discussed in honorable mentions.
00:40:03
Lord Hinkie
Have to.
00:40:05
ninja
But it's... He's so... It's like he's a step away from a step away. You know what i mean? He's just like one more foot away from the door than I would want him to be.
00:40:14
Lord Hinkie
to throw him in your top 12 early. I could see that.
00:40:16
ninja
Yeah.
00:40:28
Lord Hinkie
And I think he, go ahead.
00:40:28
ninja
Mike, but who... Who plays the slot? Who plays the slot? That's my problem. Like, their system... Chris Godwin played the slot whenever Mike Evans was there. Chris Godwin ate in the slot. Jalen McMillan, mainly slot guy. Emeka, prefer to play him in the slot. Like...
00:40:44
ninja
It's all like almost like a one-trick pony there with wide receivers in Tampa Bay. like I'm a little curious.
00:40:50
Lord Hinkie
I do see what you're saying. I do see what you're saying. But i if we're talking, I think the NFL is moving more towards these wide receivers that are versatile, that can do a lot of things, can play on the inside, can play on the outside, and can play a lot of different positions. So when I see Emeka Buka, I don't see a slot guy. I don't see an outside receiver. I see a versatile receiver.
00:41:14
Lord Hinkie
weapon that can be moved around this offense and can do, can basically just be paired up with matchups. Like if you like Chris Godwin in the slot against this linebacker, go for it. If you like Emeka Buka in the slot against this slot corner, go for that as well. If you like Emeka Buka on the outside, go for that. Like I, I might be putting too much trust on these office coordinators to, you know, scheme these guys open and do some fun things. But I, I see Emeka Buka as a versatile inside out wide receiver.
00:41:44
Lord Hinkie
very similar to my guy, Makai Lemon.
00:41:45
ninja
No. I was about to bring that up.
00:41:47
Lord Hinkie
So yes,
00:41:48
ninja
I was like, I like Emeka Buka and i actually would compare him similarly to Makai Lemmon. him and Devontae Smith, him and Chris Godwin, they're both Y and Z guys.
00:41:54
Lord Hinkie
I would too.
00:41:58
ninja
They can play outside, they can play in the slot, but I prefer them all in the slot if I had a choice.
00:41:59
Lord Hinkie
hundred percent.
00:42:04
ninja
But not everybody can play the slot, so you know you find your matchup at the end of the day, but
00:42:04
Lord Hinkie
Yes. And you can't have everyone. Yes. It's, I see what you're saying. And I guess we can. Devontae Smith and Makai Lemon from your both honorable mentions. I couldn't put them in my top 12. I felt a little biased doing it. I'm glad you did it because.
00:42:31
Lord Hinkie
But two years ago, we're the best offensive league. Like, people are now writing us off as like, oh, I don't know if Jalen Hurts can do it anymore. You know, I don't know if Devontae Smith could be the wide receiver one. You know, I don't know. Mekhi Lemon kind of fell in the draft. Maybe he's got something going on.
00:42:47
Lord Hinkie
I just don't – I don't believe it. I think we can turn around pretty quickly. I think we're a really good offense. I think we have, you know, a lot of good pieces still in place. So I totally agree. I think both Smitty and Lemon could be – Could have very good seasons
00:43:02
ninja
we just need some continuity in the offense.
00:43:05
ninja
And by that, I mean, offensive coordinator, we need someone to stick for more than a year.
00:43:07
Lord Hinkie
Yeah Yes Ever one And it's been It's been good It's been bad It's been good Then it's been bad And it's been good Like it's It's very up and down So I completely agree I think Sean Manning Could be the guy I'm gonna give him my eggs He has my eggs
00:43:09
ninja
Cause I think it's the past, we're going on five years now, four or five years where we've had a different offensive coordinator and it's,
00:43:28
Lord Hinkie
All my eggs are in this basket. And he's going to hold them for at least a year. And if anyone's going to be there for multiple seasons, it's probably going to be Sean Mannion. So we will see.
00:43:37
ninja
If anyone's holding my eggs...
00:43:41
Lord Hinkie
i was letting you finish that sentence.
00:43:43
ninja
That was it.
00:43:44
Lord Hinkie
All right. But, yeah. So I i like that you have Smitty and Lemon in your top 12 because they're right outside of it for me, and I wanted to put them there pretty bad. Go ahead and talk to me about Denzel Boston.
00:43:57
ninja
I mean, if I didn't say it enough in summer scouting, watch those podcasts. I'm the number one Denzel Boston believer out of anybody I know.
00:44:08
ninja
he's He's a certified ex. You know I love my big, tall, lengthy, rangy wide receivers with a little bit of mass to him.
00:44:16
Lord Hinkie
What?
00:44:17
ninja
He just fits the mold of what I look for in my wide receiver one. And he has the most open... I can't state how barren that Cleveland wide receiver room is. Denzel Boston fits the X perfectly. Now, Judy, Casey, Concepcion, both good. I like Casey a lot more than Judy. But they're both, you know, Z, Y kind of guys, you know, interchangeable there. Denzel Boston will always be on the field because he's an X. I think he has the most...
00:44:49
ninja
He has the highest floor, but also the highest ceiling of this entire rookie wide receiver draft where it could just be him and him alone because he is the only one on that team that fits the X mold in a wide receiver.
00:45:06
ninja
And his red zone stuff is excellent. Great jump ball guy. Great on back shoulders. Great on deep balls. Great on... in He's good at everything. And he has the body mold I look for in my wide receiver one. Is he similar to Nico Collins? I won't put that on the kid yet, but very similar.
00:45:25
Lord Hinkie
He does. He fits your build. Ninja has a type, and we all know it, and he fits your build. You said a lot of good things there. I agree. He's the guy to own, I think, in Cleveland.
00:45:36
Lord Hinkie
I like him more than Casey. I like him more than Judy. I think the big difference is I'm not a Shadir Sanders guy. I don't think Shadir Sanders could perform at a high enough level to even make a wide receiver play.
00:45:53
Lord Hinkie
Anywhere close to a top 12 finish. That's the difference for me. I love Denzel Boston, the player. I'm also a Denzel Boston guy. I think he's going to be very good long-term for dynasty. So him being in a top 12, kind of nuts to me, but sure.
00:46:09
Lord Hinkie
i just don't think right away he's going to have any success. I don't think he's going to have a good rookie year. I don't think any of the Cleveland wide receivers really will.
00:46:17
ninja
So with that said, this is also Dynasty Outlook. We're looking three, four years in the future.
00:46:21
Lord Hinkie
Yes.
00:46:22
ninja
We got to project a little bit.
00:46:22
Lord Hinkie
Yes.
00:46:24
ninja
My favorite thing is projecting on how good these young guys can be.
00:46:24
Lord Hinkie
I agree.
00:46:27
ninja
I love it.
00:46:28
Lord Hinkie
Yeah. I do like that you're throwing a lot of your eggs into the rookie wide receiver basket because I do think it's a good class. One guy we haven't talked about, or I guess you have Mikhail Lemon in your top 12.
00:46:37
Lord Hinkie
I am in, as an honorable mention, I love that you have him in your top 12 because, oh, you don't got to tell me twice what Mikhail Lemon could be a top 12 wide receiver in this league.
00:46:43
ninja
Yeah.
00:46:48
Lord Hinkie
I do think we're going to talking about him being one of the guys in a couple of years. I do. For me, like he's pretty much 13 for me.
00:46:58
Lord Hinkie
And I, and I, and I felt almost like I couldn't put him there, which looking back, I just should have, because he's a, my guy, like I have to put him on that list.
00:47:06
ninja
Should've.
00:47:08
Lord Hinkie
So, but yeah, I love the Mekai lemon on there.
00:47:12
ninja
Have to finish as my wide receiver two after rookie evals and rookie drafts and all that. It finishes my wide receiver two helps.
00:47:17
Lord Hinkie
Hmm.
00:47:19
ninja
He's a bird, but he didn't really need that push. Just had to watch some film.
00:47:22
Lord Hinkie
Yeah.
00:47:24
ninja
And yeah, I love me a good dog, at the wide receiver position.
00:47:24
Lord Hinkie
Dog.
00:47:28
Lord Hinkie
Dog. one One guy we haven't talked about yet.
00:47:30
ninja
And then,
00:47:31
Lord Hinkie
Oh, sorry. Go ahead.
00:47:33
ninja
I was just going to go and talk about our honorable mentions because it sounded like you had a couple, and I also have a couple I haven't named yet.
00:47:39
Lord Hinkie
Go for it.
00:47:40
ninja
All right, so honorable mention number one, my boy who's going to break out in the next couple years, Epic IU Manor, is an honorable mention on my list, as well as Lad McConkie, C.D.
00:47:53
Lord Hinkie
Okay.
00:47:53
ninja
Lamb, A.J.
00:47:55
Lord Hinkie
Sure.
00:47:55
ninja
Brown, and Drake London are all honorable mentions for me.
00:47:58
Lord Hinkie
Gotcha. Similar for me, I have AJ Brown on my list right outside of the top 12. I have both Smitty and Lemon outside my in my honorable mentions like we talked about before.
00:48:10
Lord Hinkie
I don't have Lemon Conkey of mine. I'm not the biggest Lemon Conkey guy. I have Cardinal Tate. on my honorable mentions list because I do think him and Kim Ward can maybe create something down there in Tennessee. But I'm definitely going to need to see it first before I commit anything to it. And that's kind of why he's not in my top 12.
00:48:30
ninja
I think you're prejudiced against Epic Iron Manor. I don't know. That's why I had him on there. i think Epic Iron Manor and him can build something pretty good.
00:48:37
Lord Hinkie
Maybe. And then what's other one my list? I just lost it. Sorry. One other guy, George Pickens, had an incredible year last year for the Cowboys, sadly.
00:48:46
ninja
Yes.
00:48:51
Lord Hinkie
But I think if he can do this again, i forget what contract he has. Or no, he was he was tagged. Sorry. So he has one more year with Dallas.
00:48:57
ninja
Yes.
00:48:59
Lord Hinkie
And then if he outperforms and outshines again, and then he goes and signs for somebody for big money. I'm i'm all in. I'm all in on the George Pickens figure in and out train. Like, if you want to be a diva and you'd be AJ Brown for like four years, but you would have put up, or I'm sorry, Antonio Brown, and you would have put up Antonio Brown numbers for like four years, I'm in.
00:49:18
Lord Hinkie
So I'm hopping on the Pickens train. I have right outside my top 12.
00:49:22
ninja
Now that you brought up, did you just say Antonio Brown?
00:49:25
Lord Hinkie
Yes.
00:49:26
ninja
You know what we need to do? An all-time twelve Like, all-time.
00:49:32
Lord Hinkie
Whoa. greatest of all time a goat a a goat list of are we doing fantasy or are we doing just football football okay I think we should do straight football
00:49:36
ninja
Greatest of all time. In our opinion, of course. A GOAT list.
00:49:44
ninja
Football. let's Because we have to re respect some... we I think we got to show love to some big boys down there. You know what i mean?
00:49:51
Lord Hinkie
yeah like how how am I getting Brent Selick on that top 12 yeah I love that let's save that for later
00:49:52
ninja
Let's hop in the trench. yeah like you know what I mean? Like...
00:50:00
Lord Hinkie
And then I had A.J. Brown on my list as well. i don't know if i said that or not, but I i think I did already.
00:50:03
ninja
yes
00:50:05
Lord Hinkie
Ziggs, 7 through 12 wide receiver list. He also has an honorable mention. 7, he has Drake London. 8, he has Malik Neighbors. 9, he has Nico Collins. 10, he has A.J. Brown. So he does have A.J. Brown his top 12.
00:50:18
Lord Hinkie
At 11, he has Ted McMillan, but then he has on here as well, or the for jeremiah Smith at eleven So we can talk about that a little bit. Like, where would you have Jeremiah Smith on this list?
00:50:32
Lord Hinkie
At 12 is Garrett Wilson. Big Jets guy.
00:50:36
ninja
Whoa. All right.
00:50:36
Lord Hinkie
zi Dakota Jets over here.
00:50:37
ninja
All right.
00:50:39
Lord Hinkie
And then his honorable mention is Devontae Smith. He had a comma there, so I'm sure he's add more names, but his honorable mention right now is Devontae Smith.
00:50:47
ninja
all right
00:50:48
Lord Hinkie
So Garrett Wilson, I'm just not a Jets guy. I don't believe in the Jets. I'm not go believe in any of their players.
00:50:54
ninja
I was not a Garrett Wilson guy. I'm not a Jets guy. I'm not not on that train.
00:50:58
Lord Hinkie
Yeah. I'm not hanging my hat on that team. Yeah. So we could talk about this now. It's a fun little segment. Jeremiah Smith. If we were to put Jeremiah Smith onto this list, knowing he's coming out, and he's probably going to be a top two, three pick in next year's NFL draft, and he's going to be the one, one in your rookie drafts. like where Where is Jeremiah Smith? Where does the one, one in 27 rank on this top 12 wide receivers list for you?
00:51:28
ninja
I could see him probably about 11. 10
00:51:32
Lord Hinkie
I was going to say 10.
00:51:34
ninja
or like it's... But also, do you think he's going go 1-1, 1-2, or one three Like this quarterback class coming up is supposed to be really good.
00:51:41
Lord Hinkie
NFL.
00:51:42
ninja
Yeah.
00:51:43
Lord Hinkie
Yes. And yes. Like, I think there's going to be a team at the top of the list. like there's going to be a team. Who's who's the team that just dropped a quarterback. Like the Raiders might be bad again. I think there's going to be teams at the top of the list drafting in the NFL that don't need a quarterback or might necessarily like not really want a quarterback right now.
00:52:04
Lord Hinkie
And there can just like, Hey, I'll take Jeremiah Smith. He's the best player in the draft.
00:52:07
ninja
He's going to the Colts. I know it.
00:52:09
Lord Hinkie
He could totally go to the Colts. Colts need a quarterback though.
00:52:11
ninja
What do you mean?
00:52:12
Lord Hinkie
So.
00:52:13
ninja
and They got Danny Dimes.
00:52:15
Lord Hinkie
Anyways, but yeah, so like that's Zig's list, and think that's fun. I agree. I think I would have Jeremiah Smith around 10 right now, but then once he's drafted and he's on the team, he probably will start in my top six.
00:52:25
Lord Hinkie
like That dude's freaking awesome.
00:52:27
ninja
That's a real possibility, yeah.
00:52:29
Lord Hinkie
Freaking awesome. Like, I can see, like, like I have CeeDee Lamb ranked as my eighth wide receiver. If you traded me the 1-1 in 27, Jeremiah Smith, for CeeDee Lamb, I think I would take Jeremiah Smith.
00:52:44
Lord Hinkie
So, i don't know.
00:52:44
ninja
I would. Yeah.
00:52:47
Lord Hinkie
So, yeah, that's a fun little segment. Tight ends, buddy. Everybody loves a good tight end. Let's finish off this list.
00:52:52
ninja
Who doesn't love a good tight end?
00:52:53
Lord Hinkie
How about you start us off? Give me your 1 through 6 in your top tight end rankings in Dynasty.
00:52:59
ninja
Happily. i don't know who coined the phrase, but who doesn't love a good tight end? I had to have been up there. Maybe not the first, but the most.
00:53:07
Lord Hinkie
Shout out DW. That was DW.
00:53:10
ninja
Shout out. Shout out. The absolute king himself, DW.
00:53:13
Lord Hinkie
Wood.
00:53:14
Lord Hinkie
Yeah.
00:53:15
ninja
Number one, Brock Bowers.
00:53:18
Lord Hinkie
Yeah.
00:53:18
ninja
Number two, Trey McBride. Number three, Tyler Warren. Four, Colston Loveland. Five is Tucker Craft. Number six is Harold Fannin.
00:53:31
Lord Hinkie
Ooh, okay. Okay. I was waiting to hear a name, and I'm still waiting. So me, very similar. Brock Bowers at one.
00:53:41
Lord Hinkie
Kind of have to. Trey McBride at two. Kind of have to. If anything else, I think it's kind of shocking. I have Colston Loveland at three and Warren at four for me. I think you had them flipped. as Again, could be a coin flip.
00:53:53
Lord Hinkie
i I like Loveland's. I like that offense a little bit better. That's kind of why i had him ahead of
Top Dynasty Tight Ends Discussion
00:53:58
Lord Hinkie
Warren. So Loveland Warren, 3-4 for me. At 5, I have Kyle Pitts.
00:54:06
Lord Hinkie
have Kyle Pitts at 5.
00:54:08
ninja
right.
00:54:08
Lord Hinkie
so Talking about him takes pod. Finished last year as a tight end 2, I think, behind Trayvon McBride. In a very down tight end year, but he finishes as tight end 2. And he just signed that nice long extension for the Atlanta Falcons. and Who cares who's playing quarterback? Give me Kyle Pitts. And then at six, I have Tucker Craft. Love Tucker Craft. I've always been a Tucker Craft guy.
00:54:28
Lord Hinkie
That's all I got. I feel like this list is pretty chalky. I feel like we don't really have much to talk about. Brock Bowers is a stud, and he's getting Mendoza. Terry McBride's a stud, and who cares who his quarterback is?
00:54:38
ninja
Warren and Loveland are interchangeable for me, so it's fine. And then we both had Tucker Craft, so bless.
00:54:41
Lord Hinkie
Totally interchangeable. Yeah. Love Tucker craft, big tech craft guy. Let's go Zig's list at one.
00:54:52
Lord Hinkie
Well, also Zig has a comment in here. He said tight ends. And then in parentheses, he says basic male name equals good tight end.
00:55:03
ninja
He's not wrong.
00:55:03
Lord Hinkie
He's not wrong. at all I love that. He finds these weird little things.
00:55:06
ninja
who
00:55:08
Lord Hinkie
So Brock Bowers, which is which if you're going to name a kid Brock Bowers,
00:55:13
ninja
If you name your kid Brock, you know he's going to be absolutely shredded.
00:55:16
Lord Hinkie
like if you name a kid Brock and he doesn't play a sport, like you wasted the name Brock.
00:55:16
ninja
Sorry, edit that.
00:55:20
ninja
And he's going to be good at that sport, whatever it is.
00:55:22
Lord Hinkie
Oh, yes.
00:55:23
ninja
It could be table tennis. He's going to be a stud.
00:55:24
Lord Hinkie
And he's going to have a he's like go to have a massive head and he's going to throw it around and it's not going to hurt him at all. Like he's he's going to run you over because his name is Brock. It doesn't matter what he looks like. he name His name is Brock.
00:55:36
ninja
All I can hear is Paul Heyman's voice in my head. We got to keep moving.
00:55:39
Lord Hinkie
Brock
00:55:40
ninja
yeah
00:55:42
Lord Hinkie
Bowers. He has Brock Bowers at one. Trey McBride at two. Kyle Pitts at three. Colson Loveland at four. Tyler Warren at five. Tucker Craft at six. So he has my same names. He threw Kyle Pitts above the Loveland Warren stack. So, I mean, can we talk about him now? Where do you have Kyle Pitts in your rankings? Tell me he's in your top 12.
00:56:06
ninja
No.
00:56:07
Lord Hinkie
Oh, my God.
00:56:10
Lord Hinkie
You're kidding me, man. The hate's gone too far.
00:56:15
ninja
I don't think it's hate.
00:56:17
Lord Hinkie
It's hate. It's haste.
00:56:19
ninja
I don't think so.
00:56:21
Lord Hinkie
Oh, my God. how How can you have the guy who finishes a tight end two last year outside your top 12? How?
00:56:27
ninja
Cause cause I watch football. I don't know.
00:56:29
Lord Hinkie
you You watch football.
00:56:30
ninja
I don't know. I'm not a fan.
00:56:31
Lord Hinkie
Oh, you didn't see that he had 12 catches, 166 yards, and three touchdowns against Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Did you watch that game? Huh?
00:56:41
ninja
as
00:56:41
Lord Hinkie
Punk? i I'm mad at you right now. I'm physically upset.
00:56:46
ninja
Okay, I can handle that. Here's the thing I wanted to point out.
00:56:48
Lord Hinkie
I'm so angry.
00:56:50
ninja
Zig is a known Tucker k Craft guy. Why am I higher on Tucker Craft than he is?
00:56:56
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, it's fair. I mean, it's one spot, but it is fair.
00:57:01
ninja
But Zig has been on Tucker Craft for about a millennia now.
00:57:05
Lord Hinkie
Ziggs traded for Tucker Craft.
00:57:05
ninja
I expected him in the top three.
00:57:07
Lord Hinkie
Ziggs traded for Tucker Craft, and I think every dynasty that he's in, and I respect that.
00:57:11
ninja
Every league.
00:57:12
Lord Hinkie
I did the same thing when I'm around the same round, so I respect that. But, na cow pits. I can't discuss that anymore. Can you give me your 7 through 12, and hopefully I can move on?
00:57:22
ninja
You're going to get really upset.
00:57:23
Lord Hinkie
If you say some dumb ass names...
00:57:27
Lord Hinkie
I'm going to be so pissed.
00:57:29
ninja
Here we go.
00:57:30
Lord Hinkie
If you have Kylan, I'm to say right now, you have Kylan Granson on this list, I'm ending the podcast.
00:57:30
ninja
go.
00:57:35
Lord Hinkie
I'm turning, I'm ending it.
00:57:37
ninja
Buckle up. Here we go. Number seven. We got Kenyon Sadiq. Number eight is our boy.
00:57:43
Lord Hinkie
I love that.
00:57:46
ninja
We are Bretton Strange. Number eight.
00:57:48
Lord Hinkie
Ooh. Okay.
00:57:49
ninja
Number nine, we still got the brittle Kittle. I believe he'll push past an injury and still be good a couple years. Number 10, everyone forgets. Sam Laporta, still really good at football, guys.
00:58:01
ninja
Let's not forget that. Number 11, yes, I believe so.
00:58:03
Lord Hinkie
i see
00:58:06
ninja
We'll see.
00:58:06
Lord Hinkie
I agree.
00:58:06
ninja
Number 11, my guy. My guy of this tight end draft, Eli Stowers. That's stud muffin. And number 12, maybe a little shocking, maybe not.
00:58:19
ninja
I have a little Jake Ferguson action.
00:58:21
Lord Hinkie
Oh, okay.
00:58:22
Lord Hinkie
We have very different lists. We have very different lists.
00:58:24
ninja
As tight end should be, it's so volatile. Who knows?
00:58:27
Lord Hinkie
We have very, very, very different list.
00:58:32
Lord Hinkie
I'm still upset you have... You don't have Kyle Pitts on that list. Like, how can you not have Kyle Pitts on that list?
00:58:37
ninja
Did you expect anything different? Come on now.
00:58:39
Lord Hinkie
I didn't expect anything different, but I'm also still upset about
00:58:44
ninja
I'm also not upset at my list. I wouldn't drop any of these guys to put cow pits up there.
00:58:48
Lord Hinkie
Like, i that's the other thing, is I also like a lot of those names. So it's kind of like, you know, it is what it is.
00:58:55
ninja
If you want any consolation prize, he's my second honorable mention. So he's top 14.
00:59:02
Lord Hinkie
At least you thought about him.
00:59:05
ninja
He was there on the back burner.
00:59:07
Lord Hinkie
I almost want to give Ziggs a list before mine.
00:59:10
ninja
Do it. It's your podcast.
00:59:11
Lord Hinkie
It is my podcast. Screw you guys. So Ziggs 7 through 12. He has no honorable mentions. Ziggs 7 through 12. He has Harold Fanning at 7.
00:59:22
Lord Hinkie
George Kittle at 8, Sam Laporta at 9, Jake Ferguson at 10, Isaiah Likely at 11, and Dalton Kincaid at 12.
00:59:34
ninja
Isaiah Likely was one of my honorable mentions. Love it.
00:59:36
Lord Hinkie
He's one of my honorable mentions as well. So I think he's right around that range. I don't have him my top 12, but he is right around that range. I went pretty young with my tight end list.
00:59:47
Lord Hinkie
I did favor the rookies and young kids for mine.
00:59:52
Lord Hinkie
Uh, I have Kenny on Sadiq at seven. Uh, I have Sam Laporta at eight.
00:59:55
ninja
Yeah.
00:59:59
Lord Hinkie
I kind of threw that jab at you that Sam Laporta is not good at football, but it was mostly just a test. Cause I do love Sam Laporta.
01:00:04
ninja
And you have him higher than me? Heck yes.
01:00:06
Lord Hinkie
yeah Yeah. I was joking around. It was, it was for laughs. I'm a big Sam Laporta guy. I think he's still very good. He was a tight end one, two years ago. I'm not going to forget that.
01:00:16
Lord Hinkie
I have Eli Stowers at 9.
01:00:19
ninja
like yes
01:00:20
Lord Hinkie
Love that kid. And I think he's going to be very good. I'm seeing a lot of good things from him at camp. I have Strange at 10. love me Love getting Strange.
01:00:32
Lord Hinkie
If anybody wants to get Strange, it's this guy.
01:00:35
ninja
We are.
01:00:36
Lord Hinkie
We are, baby. I have Rondé Gadsden at 11.
01:00:37
ninja
We are getting strange.
01:00:42
ninja
He's an honorable mention for me.
01:00:42
Lord Hinkie
Chargers tied in. I like him a lot, especially what he showed me last year. a And might be a little biased. I got him in a lot of third rounds last year. So a couple of taxi squads.
01:00:52
ninja
Oh yeah. You made out like bandits with
01:00:54
Lord Hinkie
Yeah. And then at 12, also have Dalton Ginkade, as Zig
Tight Ends: Kincaid, Kittle, & Comparisons
01:00:58
Lord Hinkie
does. So slightly lot of different names, but similar names at the same time.
01:01:06
Lord Hinkie
I went pretty young.
01:01:08
ninja
Don Kincaid didn't make my list or my honorable mentions.
01:01:12
Lord Hinkie
See, I can also see that. Because if anything, I'm projecting him.
01:01:15
ninja
He's getting outproduced by Dawson Knox. Like...
01:01:18
Lord Hinkie
And anything, I'm projecting him to improve. Because I don't think he deserves to be on this list. This is fully projection.
01:01:26
Lord Hinkie
And I just believe in the player, kind of.
01:01:28
ninja
I love that you gave me so much crap about Sam LaBorde and you had him ranked higher than me. That's horrendous.
01:01:32
Lord Hinkie
I'm like two spots. I didn't need it.
01:01:34
ninja
Hehehehe.
01:01:36
Lord Hinkie
One name i kind of would talk about, you have Kittle, I think, at nine. Zig has Kittle at eight.
01:01:40
ninja
Mm-hmm.
01:01:41
Lord Hinkie
I don't have him. He's an honorable manager for me, but I don't have him at top 12.
01:01:47
Lord Hinkie
For me, it's like i I believe that injury last year was pretty severe, and it was an end-of-the-season injury, so I don't think he's going to be healthy to start the year. He's turning, I think, 33, if I remember correctly. like he's He's up there in age. I think this is like the Travis Kelsey year.
01:02:04
Lord Hinkie
of last year for George Kittle. I think this is like the last one. This is his last draw. He might have two years left. And I'm kind of hopping off the train early. I have him in a few dynasty leagues, and I've been trying to get rid of him.
01:02:17
Lord Hinkie
Can't really do it. I just don't. I think it's the beginning of the end for George Kittle.
01:02:23
ninja
I can see it.
01:02:23
Lord Hinkie
I'm planting my flag there.
01:02:25
ninja
Also, I am the guy to say, hey, you're old, you're washed, you're bound to fall off. Every time I've said that about Kittle, because I've been saying it for the past three years, he's proved me wrong. So he's earned a spot to stay, at least for now.
01:02:39
ninja
Where I believe he'll bounce back. Kittle's got that dog in him. He'll battle through this injury.
01:02:44
Lord Hinkie
Oh, he definitely has a dog in him.
01:02:45
ninja
And he'll be an all-pro by the end of the year, only playing like 10 games.
01:02:49
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, it'll make me eat my sock.
01:02:50
ninja
Like it's, yeah.
01:02:52
Lord Hinkie
Yeah. I mean, I love the player. I'm not, this is not a, I don't think George Kittle's good rant. This is a, I think George Kittle's old. I think he's hurt. And I think he has a year left rant. That year might be pretty good. and Like go probably finish top 12.
01:03:06
Lord Hinkie
If he plays, if he plays 10 games, he's a top 12 tight end. I just don't. I think this will be going the end.
01:03:13
ninja
I mean, we said that about Kelsey, too. And it only came true last year.
01:03:17
Lord Hinkie
True.
01:03:18
ninja
And we've been saying that for like five years now.
01:03:18
Lord Hinkie
I'm playing my flag. but we How many years did we say, like, oh, New England is going to you know suck this year? Oh, that the Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes going to suck.
01:03:29
ninja
Derek Henry's going to fall off a cliff.
01:03:30
Lord Hinkie
Oh, yeah. Derek Henry has been old since he was 28, and he's been doing it for like another five years.
01:03:33
ninja
right
01:03:34
Lord Hinkie
like it's you know Maybe I'm playing my flag too early, but I think I'm i think i'm hopping in at the right time.
01:03:41
ninja
I think it's a good time. I'm actually, I'm actually, I would change my list now.
01:03:42
Lord Hinkie
Yeah.
01:03:44
ninja
Now that that makes a lot of sense to me.
01:03:46
Lord Hinkie
Good.
01:03:47
ninja
I think I would bump him down a couple slots.
01:03:49
Lord Hinkie
That was my whole point.
Kyle Pitts & All-Time Top 12 Lists
01:03:50
Lord Hinkie
Stowers, we're both big fans of. I think he's going to be a very good dynasty PPR asset in this Eagles offense. I don't know if it's year one, but I think dynasty long-term outlook, give me all the Stowers.
01:04:05
ninja
Oh, yes.
01:04:07
Lord Hinkie
he's going to me awesome. I think Goddard's done in a year, and Stowers has the reins. And to be honest, I think they might bring in a blocking tight end next year, and they're just like, hey, if you you can wear a tight end number, and you can stand here and look like a tight end, but you're a wide receiver.
01:04:21
Lord Hinkie
And, like, I'm totally cool with that.
01:04:22
ninja
You're wearing number 72.
01:04:24
Lord Hinkie
Yeah. Like, you're a wide receiver. Like, it's totally fine with me. But, yeah. Any other qualms?
01:04:33
ninja
I got no qualms other than pits is too high, but I'm on the losing end of that train, so it's all good.
01:04:40
Lord Hinkie
Just disrespectful to Kyle Pitts. If you sat here and you told me, like, hey, Tua's his quarterback, you know, the Atlanta Falcons have a new head coach.
01:04:49
ninja
Okay.
01:04:49
Lord Hinkie
You know, they did this, they did that.
01:04:50
ninja
All taken into account.
01:04:51
Lord Hinkie
I'd be like, okay.
01:04:52
ninja
All taken into account.
01:04:54
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, but I think it's just hate. I just think it's you you don't like Kyle Pitts and you don't want to admit that he's good.
01:04:56
ninja
No, all all of that. i am i'm an unbiased representative.
01:05:01
Lord Hinkie
i
01:05:01
ninja
broadcast
01:05:05
Lord Hinkie
You've Kyle Monunga in your top 12. You're going to sit here and tell me you're unbiased.
01:05:08
ninja
You told me you liked him. You told me you liked him a lot.
01:05:11
Lord Hinkie
I did say that I liked him, but also disagree that he should be in your top 12. Two different things.
01:05:19
ninja
And I disagree that pitch should be in your top 12. What's difference?
01:05:21
Lord Hinkie
All right, fine.
01:05:22
ninja
It's, you know, tomato, tomato.
01:05:25
Lord Hinkie
Pot Conaketo Black. Okay, fair. right, buddy. Any closing statements you want to give before we head out of here for the people?
01:05:33
ninja
Man, what a heater today. We've been hyping this up for a while.
01:05:35
Lord Hinkie
Banger.
01:05:37
ninja
Glad we finally were able to hop on the mic and do it.
01:05:37
Lord Hinkie
Yeah.
01:05:41
ninja
And I can't wait for the next one. You know, if you guys have anything you guys want us to do, because it's the off season. We're up for ideas. Maybe we do an all timer 12 at each position.
01:05:50
Lord Hinkie
I think that's fun. i had We have to get Zig's list for that one as well.
01:05:54
ninja
Yeah. Can we do O-line too? How high can I put Jason Kelsey?
01:05:59
Lord Hinkie
If he's not one, your list is wrong, buddy.
01:06:03
ninja
He's dang near close.
01:06:04
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, where am putting John Runyon?
01:06:05
ninja
But let us know.
01:06:06
Lord Hinkie
How many old how many old school Eagles can I get from like the early 2000s on my top 12 go list?
01:06:12
ninja
Where can I put Jason Peters on this list?
01:06:15
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, where's Brent Selleck? Jason Avant. Oh my god Okay, and
01:06:19
ninja
Where is Riley Cooper on my list?
Closing Remarks & Listener Engagement
01:06:23
ninja
He's...
01:06:23
Lord Hinkie
it's over
01:06:25
Lord Hinkie
But I mean, thank you guys for tuning in. Appreciate you guys the listening. i'm Glad to throw a podcast back out for you guys. I know a lot of people have been begging for us to throw out something for them to listen to on their way to work. So here you go. And this one's pretty pertinent, you know, top 12 dynasty rankings for the boys. These are obviously, you know, up to change as, you know, news and trades and things happen. But as of now, these are guys and these are who we're planting our flags on early. So.
01:06:50
Lord Hinkie
Yeah, this was a fun one to do. Thanks, Ninja, for tuning in. Glad Zig was able to throw a list together for us, so he's kind of like half contributing to the podcast. Maybe he'll edit this one for us, too. Doubt it.
01:07:00
Lord Hinkie
But, yeah, thank you guys for listening. i Appreciate you tuning in. We'll see you in a month, maybe. No, not actually. We'll get to you guys in next couple weeks. but as always, you know, be a friend, tell the friend something nice, uh, summertime now. So I'm sure you guys are pretty busy. I know we are. I, I, as all, I think good friends do feel a little, you know, self-conscious, maybe a little guilty that I'm not able to, you know, do everything I can with my friends or like close family.
01:07:28
Lord Hinkie
because you know life might get too busy life may get ahead of things but just remember who's in your corner at the end of the day you know remember who is you who is there for you day one reach out see how they're doing see if you can get schedule something see if you guys can meet up even if it's for you know lunch or like a drink or if it's even a text or a call you know a facetime like a little bit goes a long way for a lot of people you know i know it does me and i know it does my family and close friends as well so If you guys feel like you're missing somebody, that guy probably misses you too. So, you know, reach out, see what they're doing, see how they're doing. But as always, love you guys. Appreciate you guys tuning in and we'll see you guys the next one.
01:08:03
Lord Hinkie
Thank you for listening and peace.