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Jarrod Dyke: Hey everybody, welcome back. It is the Fancy Rugby Yanks. My name is Jared Dyke.
Grumpy Old Prop: I'm Ben Glauser.
Jarrod Dyke: No friends. You are not imagining anything. that is in fact ben's voice he has he has returned to our and graces with his presence
Grumpy Old Prop: Hello.
Jarrod Dyke: good Good to have him back. Um, Yes, and it's good to be back, which obviously... we're gonna do this as we did kind of middle of the year last year where we were just trying to get it in when we could more or less so Without losing our minds, because that was the problem.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Crazy.
Jarrod Dyke: We were both losing our shit.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Um,
Jarrod Dyke: We're both losing our absolute loving, ever loving shit.
Grumpy Old Prop: Ugh. Yes. And like, we still kind of are, but it's, it's much.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: better now. Thank you very much for for your concern. Um, um, it. Yeah. I'm only losing my shit because I'm... Anxious about my team though. I only really care about one. So just so so everyone's aware. Yes.
Grumpy Old Prop: Obviously, I like Saracens and and several other clubs. that are my clubs but Yeah, right now I really only care about one team and it's not a professional team.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. No, it's Ben's uni team.
Grumpy Old Prop: Which is doing very well, so.
Jarrod Dyke: indeed Indeed it is. um Anyway.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: So. Before we get into it. um Make sure, yeah. say smoke if you got them i'm abstaining i'm still i'm feeling a little bit under the weather but Ben clearly hasn't decided to partake.
Grumpy Old Prop: Hmm. I am over the weather.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I have two besides that. um
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: before So before we get too far into it, make sure that you buy our good friend George the Fancy Rugby Geeky Coffee. Or be or however you wish to see it. Busy times ahead for that man. We have a new competition kicking off as we talk as i'm sure most of you know so he's about to get very busy do do yourself a favor and click that button on his website and make sure you give him some support would you
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: There is no discrimination here on this podcast, nor should there be in sports or in life.
Jarrod Dyke: i want to get it I want to get into it. um the thing that everyone's talking about here, at least in the U S which is. Saturday Night Live. um monologue from
Grumpy Old Prop: Shingle.
Jarrod Dyke: A particular comedian.
Grumpy Old Prop: I'm sorry
Jarrod Dyke: Um, it
Grumpy Old Prop: Gainshellis.
Jarrod Dyke: yes it yeah
Grumpy Old Prop: I said Gainshellis.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. I'm not. i So it's funny because I got. sent his stand up by my brother -in -law.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Who's a teacher? and is lives in California. And I thought I, there I. Catherine and I looked at each other like, your brother liked this? And we were both like, we listened to 10 minutes of it and we were both done.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's the
Jarrod Dyke: So I'm not shocked that he ends up doing this, but it's. It's... it's so it's It's rape culture without being rape culture That's what it is, when what you're talking about.
Jarrod Dyke: And it's...
Grumpy Old Prop: Absolutely.
Jarrod Dyke: It's more you know. It's more the bullshit of don't dress like a hoe Don't touch women when they don't want to be. Don't...
Grumpy Old Prop: No.
Jarrod Dyke: Confront them when they don't want to be don't follow them home. Don't We're more in control of this thing than any female ever is. And that's the fact.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, why would you? Why would you be uncomfortable with that? like why would that make you upset why would that negatively impact you um I'm sorry. Like, i even when I was like.
Grumpy Old Prop: you know, obviously I don't go to the gym much myself anymore. um But, like... The last couple, you know, when I used to, it was like.
Grumpy Old Prop: Cool. We're all doing athletic stuff. Let's look athletic. Let's look like we.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Or, you know. You dress it. You dress it. youll You play it. you you'll work it and Like guys go around the gyms without their shirts on and shit too.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, and that was something that a friend ah colleague of mine pointed out.
Grumpy Old Prop: And it's...
Jarrod Dyke: It's like there are more male nipples that are shown in a gym than there are anything else.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Uh -huh
Jarrod Dyke: Why is that not an issue? Oh wait, because I'm out of the problem.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Duh.
Grumpy Old Prop: And it's like, what, you have a problem with women? Trust me. like in revealing attire like that's a that's a problem that's a problem for you Like, if you're comfortable, or like, whatever. be Just fucking...
Jarrod Dyke: Pay attention to your goddamn workout and do your bicep curls, you idiot.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Right. Like, pay attention to you. Obviously, if you if you if you have to go to the gym and you have to pay attention to other people, then... you shouldn't go there Bye home, Jim. if ah been And either way.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, you can't control yourself take Take yourself out of the situation, please.
Grumpy Old Prop: the fact that but but But to your - But to your point... It's not just like that because I'm glad you brought it up because there is the larger rape culture to talk about where we've had.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Not one, but two incidents. First, we have the the Cornell 7.
Jarrod Dyke: Mhm. Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um. What the fuck? And apparently one of them one of them who was involved was...
Jarrod Dyke: What the fuck indeed
Grumpy Old Prop: Like... The. like their, their, um, Like basically designated driver for the night. He was there like. Make sure everybody's cool. Make sure shit like this doesn't happen.
Jarrod Dyke: And it did.
Grumpy Old Prop: And it did not only that, but he participated.
Jarrod Dyke: It's even worse.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, And. And then we have this new case from this weekend in Chicago.
Jarrod Dyke: Hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: fuck yeah so well also i gotta talk to my guys about both of these things because that's uh We got a picture of that shit. like
Jarrod Dyke: Please no. Like, good lord.
Grumpy Old Prop: Because... here's the thing we you know we spend only a couple hours with them but it's like You know which of the guys are...
Jarrod Dyke: Idiot.
Grumpy Old Prop: potentially a problem.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: And they've kicked off guys in the past, but it's like you got it like instead of waiting till after and punishing them, how about you put an arm around them and be like, yo, dude. Like. This isn't cool. This isn't how we do.
Grumpy Old Prop: Because like there's definitely been times where I've known. people and and they've done you know not the same thing but like shady shit and you're just like oh yeah of course it was that person But it's like, why didn't.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Okay. now looking back on it it's like you know the the cool thing would have been to go and tell them not to do like not to get to that point like cut it off be like this isn't cool come
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: To the good side, let's do this shit instead. um
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: And yeah, Shane Gillis is just a modern. Uh, Fuck, what's his name? I had it. I lost it. Who was the comedian back in the... 2010s.
Grumpy Old Prop: Dane Cook.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh. Ha ha.
Grumpy Old Prop: He... Who?
Jarrod Dyke: That guy
Grumpy Old Prop: was everywhere was like oh yeah I'm really funny and then like five years later nobody and like selling out shit like that's the whole thing with with the people are talking about the shingles like oh But he's selling out shows.
Jarrod Dyke: o
Grumpy Old Prop: He's hitting records. It's like, so did Dane Cook. And five years after he did that, everybody was like, who the fuck is Dane Cook? That dude was never funny anyway.
Jarrod Dyke: go
Grumpy Old Prop: and It's like, yeah, he's not funny. You just find it funny because you're fucking juvenile. and Like... problematic.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like...
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: there's Yes, there are that many people who are juvenile and problematic. and then Welcome to America.
Jarrod Dyke: but it's Yeah, it's terrifying. It is terrifying.
Grumpy Old Prop: of course he's setting records like somebody like him is gonna set records
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Because we have little little boys all over the place.
Grumpy Old Prop: Because it's not about funny. It's about... being a dick.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Yeah, and you can't...
Grumpy Old Prop: The man dick.
Jarrod Dyke: think Because you can't because you could definitely no longer get away with rape jokes you can but they go one step short of it, which is
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: you know Ogling women basically and calling them whores. It's like
Grumpy Old Prop: Because then the one The one was that, like, they were talking about the... um What? Artificial beat. and And I saw someone break that down with artificial bait. It's something that you use to make Predator fish.
Grumpy Old Prop: Aggressive. Like they see it and they're like, oh, I gotta go get that.
Jarrod Dyke: mm -hmm
Grumpy Old Prop: Like it makes them angry and and and all riled up they want to go and and attack it
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: And it's like, so you're calling their pants. Artificial bait. So you're saying that it makes the... the the the Um. you know the the predator in you, aggressive.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like that's the problem right there. That's that's Like, you don't even know.
Jarrod Dyke: I think the first problem is the predator in you, not the not the bait.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. Not the thing right not the bait not what she's wearing. That's not
Jarrod Dyke: No.
Grumpy Old Prop: Fuck's sake.
Jarrod Dyke: No. Problem always starts with what's going on with us guys plain and simple
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: no way around it and It stems from a lot of things and we could...
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: better not get to sit here for a solid hour and talk about this whole thing about the shit that men need to do better about and that we need to that you know it It all comes from different directions. and it's it's endless and
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Take responsibility for ourselves boys plain and simple. There's nothing else that needs to be done other than that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Right. Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Get your shit together. and take responsibility for yourselves and your fucking mates that you know are being jackasses like
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Punch him in the dick, please. Sometimes they need they need it.
Grumpy Old Prop: if Yes, sometimes we all need it. For various reasons.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: But we all need it.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm hmm. Yeah. Definitely.
Grumpy Old Prop: Speaking of which, Rose took care of that the other night. the other night
Jarrod Dyke: ha
Grumpy Old Prop: Boom! Right in the pit, like, oh, she was jumping on me.
Jarrod Dyke: okay
Grumpy Old Prop: And then she's like, she's like, oh, stop, move your hands.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh. Oh man.
Grumpy Old Prop: I was like, what? And then she.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Boom. boom' Like, oh, that's why my hands were there.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I'll lock one. Cool. Lockie flailed his feet and just his heel came right down exclusively on one of one of my... so It was awful.
Jarrod Dyke: awful. It was awful. I was like, oh. Yeah, so he he'll know that pain at some point, unfortunately.
Grumpy Old Prop: Hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Ugh. Anyway.
Grumpy Old Prop: ah
Jarrod Dyke: Moving on. All things Patreon. um sheets, whatever. Champions Cup, URC, Prem. After. the november internationals Numbers will be there Right now, I also have a project at work that I'm really focused on, so that's part of the problem.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: That'll be done at the end of this month, or actually end of next week.
Grumpy Old Prop: Okay.
Jarrod Dyke: So that'll make life my life so much easier.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: I've started all of them. But i have not I have not gotten to the point where I'm comfortable sharing anything yet.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. And i'm I'm at the point now where. um What was it? I don't have... I don't have the appropriate. I need to... i First off... Jared bought a new... kit. um ah for you know the new pooter i absolutely need one
Jarrod Dyke: Mm hmm. You're next.
Grumpy Old Prop: I am absolutely next up on the chopping block there, but I need to wait just a little. little bit more. um And then I'll be good for that. um My daughter's going into preschool next, so we're saving 400 bucks a month.
Jarrod Dyke: And I'll start.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh that's nice, yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: there So that's going to be my new. computer
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, they go.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um...
Grumpy Old Prop: So yeah. That way I can have Excel and do that because right now I have a work computer that because of my new job, I cannot do anything outside of it on it.
Jarrod Dyke: Nope.
Grumpy Old Prop: So I can't do the sheet on.
Jarrod Dyke: but
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, I can't even set up the sheet.
Jarrod Dyke: on those days.
Grumpy Old Prop: so
Jarrod Dyke: No. That's right. i'm doing I think I'm doing a pretty good job with it so far.
Grumpy Old Prop: Okay, ah cool Haven't even looked i've I've been ashamed of it
Jarrod Dyke: i have i it's um It's on my computer, so...
Grumpy Old Prop: Okay.
Jarrod Dyke: ahll I'll put it up at some point on our drive so we can talk about it.
Grumpy Old Prop: Cool.
Jarrod Dyke: Anyway.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yep.
Jarrod Dyke: But yeah, all and for our lovely and wonderful patrons, all three competitions will be available. After November International, it's not that the Champions Cup is going to do you a whole lot with one week.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: but I'll at least have all the data compiled by that point because it won't be that hard. it's one week So there'll be that. All right, so Ben and I agreed that we're gonna try to keep this till about 30 minutes from now. So let's see how we do. ah Um, um So what we're gonna talk about is we're gonna try and pick out one thing in rugby to talk about I think though we talked we already started getting into it.
Jarrod Dyke: So it was clearly a
Grumpy Old Prop: The thing to talk about.
Jarrod Dyke: the correct topic, um the law changes that are coming. um knee drop and and hip drop knee drop or and hip drop are obviously not the same thing knee drop being you drop into a knee and tackling but also um the hip drop tackle and So I thought we've seen a couple of them unfortunately in the let in this week alone, which like o
Grumpy Old Prop: Hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: Well...
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Again. Well, as I was because we were talking about it and we're like, no, no, that's what we're doing because we we were both like. grumbling about it enough we like okay nope that's the thing
Jarrod Dyke: Clearly, this is ah the this hit the right note.
Grumpy Old Prop: um like so I'm actually very happy about the hip drop because... as a prop probably about half the time that I was tackled was a hip drop. because it was like, okay, just get him or, you know, like.
Jarrod Dyke: Hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: Just rustling down.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: and And the hip drop was one of the more effective ways to do it. And fuck. It fucks with your legs
Jarrod Dyke: Mhm.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's not good. You can twist off. you Bend it the wrong way.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's not fun. and it's because it's dangerous every time so it's like yeah you never know which time is the one where it's going to go too far
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, you don't want that
Grumpy Old Prop: I'm just going to roll right over it and Napoleon McCallum yourself. Don't look that up. um
Jarrod Dyke: You know? I don't know.
Grumpy Old Prop: But... yeah so i'm happy with that but the knee drop what the fuck that okay so get low but not too low
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, that doesn't make sense to me in ah in a lot of ways
Grumpy Old Prop: don't get too low because like who's you know people haven't been hurt by a knee drop they're hurt by the um the the LCD. um
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. the the
Grumpy Old Prop: No arms like submarine dive.
Jarrod Dyke: The no arms, putting their yeah putting their hands on the floor first.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: He's gotten carded for it too.
Grumpy Old Prop: that shit right and getting getting himself knocked out several times for it like
Jarrod Dyke: Also that.
Grumpy Old Prop: that one isn't so much danger and it's still dangerous for the tackled player but it's so dangerous for the tackler and that one like take that out that's that because now it's it's I've seen it spread a little bit. But I don't think it's going to anymore. but either way that's so much more dangerous than a knee drop give me a knee drop any day Like I tell.
Jarrod Dyke: Right. rights
Grumpy Old Prop: when i but i have to coach former wrestlers that's like oh good you know about shooting a single shooting a double Like yeah, and they're like
Jarrod Dyke: You know.
Grumpy Old Prop: okay do that and they do it and become instantly get the tackling And... But now they can't do that because i'm gonna have to say okay Well, you just can't put your knee down.
Jarrod Dyke: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's like what the fuck you can't put my knee down like No.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah, I wonder how hard that one's gonna get police because like yeah I think it's more they're more worried on about the tacklers than anything. but
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. But like...
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I don't know there you're good
Grumpy Old Prop: that's getting low like that's that's what you want i would want someone to go on on a knee Because it's like, cool, you're low. I'm... I can... you know go over the top of you and we're all safe.
Grumpy Old Prop: i get to I get tackled, but I get my my forward meters fine. Cool.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, don't dive forward because that's a problem too now, but
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: But yes, you can probably get you can get you can fall forward and you'll be all right
Grumpy Old Prop: But the... Yeah. you right you know you put your thigh into the guy's shoulder and you're just kind of right at just a little bit like he's giving up his power to to you're giving up your power base to make a safe tackle
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. Just a little bit.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: that you And you like you sacrifice the meter for it. Okay. And if you do it. fine then it's an easy poach too depending on which way you get to twist them like it's I don't know I don't like it.
Grumpy Old Prop: i don't know the reason I don't understand the reason for it. It doesn't make anybody safer.
Jarrod Dyke: I haven't processed it either, yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: It makes them more dangerous.
Jarrod Dyke: That's not not something I've gotten.
Grumpy Old Prop: because again you're Get low, but not too low. Fuck off.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah Getting hard to become a defender at some points here. Oh. No, I mean...
Grumpy Old Prop: It's like a strike zone. It's like a baseball strike zone. You're gonna have to get...
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: The, uh...
Jarrod Dyke: getting bad.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Well, at least they have the TMO already, but still. but Yeah, it's like you could go up above here, but not not all the way down.
Jarrod Dyke: Boof. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: No.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, no, that's getting that's getting bad um Yeah, the the hip drop, um... is definitely something that I... I'm into it. Yeah. this might be. not the most accurate way but it is a bit of a And it's not just lazy players. It's lazy coaching in a lot of ways. It's like, all right, how am I going to get this guy down? Well, you're you can't just hang on to them.
Jarrod Dyke: and pull them down listen i did one of those and I never did it again because I broke the dude's ankle. Like I did it in college. when i was when i was at maine like
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Like, I was like... o the di nope never do that again and i never and i haven't you know and I know you do this too, but anytime there's we're doing any sort of contact with...
Jarrod Dyke: The school players like we're not doing hip drops. We're not doing croc rolls, which isar is obviously illegal now, too and we're not And we're not twisting in the tackle either because that's how bad things happen.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: we're not we're This is our teammates.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: so It was it's one that I i understand. It might be hard for some players to adapt to, but that's on the coaches, and that's on the coaches to say, hey, you know, you're going to have to just get in there and, you know. you have to actually probably drive them to the turf.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yourself more or less, you know, and if you got to do a tap tackle tap tackle that's that's that's where you're at you know you you don't have that option of just flopping you know all your shit onto someone's ankle and letting it snap because
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Happened to Leroy Carter on the weekend.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: you know.
Grumpy Old Prop: And like. Actually, that's the fun thing. Like, I i credit. or at least I feel like it is with the the boys I coach. that. Doing the than that.
Grumpy Old Prop: type of tackling like we're not doing this we're not doing that if if you have to go high to make the tackle what do we do and they all you know most of them anyway say we don't make the tackle it's like you have to twist to make the tackle what do we we don't make the tackle Cool.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: and Just let him go. That's actually, I think, made them better tacklers because it's forced them to be like, oh, okay, well, I got to be in the right position. and and get my body position.
Jarrod Dyke: Can't go with these lazy options, yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. And so it's like it's it's forcing them into that.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, So I'm excited about that because I think that's actually making us a better team is is to teach out a weight like literally teach away from it
Jarrod Dyke: Hmm. Yep. Yep. Yep. No, and i mean my own and my only thing about the whole thing the but the whole thing is... If we weren't tweaking laws left, right and center, I wouldn't be annoyed by about the about these two laws coming in because.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: But if they left the laws alone for fucking 18 months out of whack. Then this wouldn't be, this wouldn't be a.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah i was like wait why are they wait didn't they just you're gonna and also
Jarrod Dyke: Oh really?
Grumpy Old Prop: Isn't... the Men's World Cup. Like in...
Jarrod Dyke: A year.
Grumpy Old Prop: 12 months or so.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: You're going to do this in ah in a World Cup here?
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: You're going to change this law? Ah. For what? And that was the thing.
Jarrod Dyke: I don't know
Grumpy Old Prop: Like, I was like, wait, isn't it? It's fucking October or, you know, whatever. And like, this is not this is such a weird time to make the change.
Jarrod Dyke: Hmm. Yeah, it goes into effect next month.
Grumpy Old Prop: wild
Jarrod Dyke: That's also kind of the weird thing for me like
Jarrod Dyke: Don't roll this out in this big thing Yeah. Because people get confused on the weekend. like
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Ridley, hit went i not we're not we're not, neither of us are a fan of, but he's like. Oh shit, that's not in effect until next month.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Like. Keep it, you know, keep it and to internal memos on only and to coaches only. And then, you know, within what when we're, you know.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: four three or four days out like these laws are going to into effect in you know, in November Not. you know with freaking Two, three weeks left in the frigging month. like
Grumpy Old Prop: It's such a weird time
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, it just doesn't didn't make sense in the in the rollout.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's a bit yeah oh Yeah, ultimately, like... it's not even I you know, as much as I talked against it, it's not even worth all like this shit for the hip drop. Like just. Roll that out after the World Cup.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like. As soon as it ends, be like this. So you can even do it then. You can say, look, as soon as the World Cup's over. The following month, that's when these things are going to be rolled it rolled in.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm -hmm. Yeah, less confusion at least.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: It's like, oh, it's coming up. No, no, no. It's after the World Cup, so you're fine.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Ugh. Ugh.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, because that was the same thing there was confusion around like when they changed the the Um... The laws are on the line out.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm.
Grumpy Old Prop: to be not straight versus whatever let it go if nobody if if they don't contest and it's like
Jarrod Dyke: No competition. Yeah
Grumpy Old Prop: But then. We didn't know when it was rolling out Like we had no idea it was like here's the law okay when does it take effect like let's start it now let's go this is an easy one
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, that's That's the other end of it. That's the other end of it.
Grumpy Old Prop: That's an easy one
Jarrod Dyke: Now, I always figured. Decent referees kind of refereed that anyway, especially
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: lower levels. like
Grumpy Old Prop: Right, just let it go
Jarrod Dyke: There's no competition. I do not need to blow this whistle. Like, let's just play.
Grumpy Old Prop: you'd you'd want You'd want that, but you don't get it. You get the ones who are like, oh, I got to call everything. I say this wasn't.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, good lord, yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: I've had a few of those too. oh and but We have a share fair share of those as well. Um... All right, so to the weekend.
Jarrod Dyke: Ugh. Biggest ho -hum Same old, same old going on this weekend. Which one?
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, Well, obviously. you know, Gloucester. God. No, wait. Sorry, that was last week.
Jarrod Dyke: That was last week.
Grumpy Old Prop: now Whoa. Northampton. bath was kind of a up. Dismal affair. Really, not not much to speak on.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Yeah, no, it was...
Grumpy Old Prop: that that I can recall.
Jarrod Dyke: It was... The Saints team we've been watching. You know the last three four years now this is what they've been building.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yep.
Jarrod Dyke: you know This is what they've been building. this this is and It's funny because I rewatched the match. That thing was a competition up until like 60 odd minutes and then just.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: a it.
Grumpy Old Prop: It was, it was.
Jarrod Dyke: They hit the Jets.
Grumpy Old Prop: Back it. absolutely back and forth.
Jarrod Dyke: like Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: The whole time.
Jarrod Dyke: Have a good one.
Grumpy Old Prop: um
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: And like. You know, there's people out there who can't appreciate that.
Jarrod Dyke: Sadly there are.
Grumpy Old Prop: I don't.
Jarrod Dyke: Sadly there are.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like... What, fun rugby is bad now?
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, there are. it's Blah.
Grumpy Old Prop: um Stop. go away.
Jarrod Dyke: I mean... Unfortunately, that's how some of them see it
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. It's like, where's the defense? It's like, you know what? No. that's
Grumpy Old Prop: That's how it should be played Like...
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Plague like because it's a thing.
Jarrod Dyke: Well, as i as I said on on socials, like...
Grumpy Old Prop: It's not even
Jarrod Dyke: Good. Yep. Good
Grumpy Old Prop: it's not even It's not even bad defense.
Jarrod Dyke: ah You're on it.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's... Sorry, I don't know if I'm freezing up
Jarrod Dyke: It's a good attack.
Grumpy Old Prop: it's It's good attack.
Jarrod Dyke: No, I hear i hear you
Grumpy Old Prop: It's Miyagi.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's Miyagi. If... and Sorry, but, you know, it's his I'll paraphrase.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: for, you know. cultural respect because you know that was whatever um you know if you do it right you can't defend it Like... if you play the game
Jarrod Dyke: Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: well at a high level in attack. And... The... Because there's just always going to be more, you know, if you do it right, you're going to have more people. I'm gonna find an overload. It's just... you know, Run them around enough.
Grumpy Old Prop: And they, you know.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: you're going to score. you're going to open up those holes.
Jarrod Dyke: and if you're And if you're of a defensive mind... Alright. Be the coach. How are you going to stop this?
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: If that's what you like so much.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Alright.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Here's your challenge.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Figure out how you're gonna stop that Yeah. That's your job right there. There you go. keep you from being bored. and Pissed him off about fun rugby.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, like... and and you look at the tries that were scored like i saw the one about the the alex cole's try some i saw someone talk about how it's like ah so you know some terrible missed tackling like just horrible tackling on this play and it's like There was one missed tackle.
Grumpy Old Prop: And it was. By an international player. because of an and and international player.
Jarrod Dyke: Hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like Finn Russell is the only one who missed a tackle and he got stepped a little bit. He still got hands on and he forced an offload. So it's like it wasn't even. ah like a full missed tackle, I guess.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm -hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: I don't know, but it's like.
Jarrod Dyke: Whether or not you get credit with it. Yeah
Grumpy Old Prop: At some point, that just offloads into space. with guys coming from all over and.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm -hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: the giraffe finishing it off like that's that's good rugby
Jarrod Dyke: Good things happen.
Grumpy Old Prop: Let's not. there's There's no missed tackles there except for half.
Jarrod Dyke: Nope. Yeah, no, no. no No, it's it's and it's Cheese like.
Jarrod Dyke: We will probably end up talking about him a little bit like. Do the Saints really need another young back three guy that can play that can ball like despite even the week before where they played Bristol and didn't look great, Peter looked awesome when he came on.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: so
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Holy shit, I mean You wonder to why they let George Furbank walk.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Okay, well, this...
Jarrod Dyke: That's your answer right there.
Grumpy Old Prop: and and they have hendi too and it's like
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Yeah, handy slates, Freeman.
Grumpy Old Prop: slight Yeah, slights but is is is he's back too. by the way.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, so
Grumpy Old Prop: and And... And Litchfield isn't even playing yet.
Jarrod Dyke: No.
Grumpy Old Prop: He's coming back in in a week or two.
Jarrod Dyke: No he's not healthy right now.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: I think he'll probably play the next...
Jarrod Dyke: so they can
Grumpy Old Prop: ah Prem match or or close to it
Jarrod Dyke: Prem game probably, yeah. Yeah, maybe like they have two before they go to the international window So you he might you might we might see him before they go to that
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, I've... Okay. Yeah. Or they might just hold him off until afterwards, which might be.
Jarrod Dyke: I wouldn't be shocked either, but I'm sure he's itching to play.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. But the other thing is
Jarrod Dyke: Especially the way they were playing.
Grumpy Old Prop: The other last one last thing about this is that was basically a change team from bath to. That was not.
Jarrod Dyke: There was a lot there was a lot of guys
Grumpy Old Prop: the the backs the Yeah, they're good backs.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: I'll give him that. Um, Not great, because, I mean, even... Holly Lawrence didn't start. Although he didn't last long and he came in and was immediately yellow carded.
Jarrod Dyke: He got fucking yellow fast. I was like, oh, you're off.
Grumpy Old Prop: Hi, Ollie. Bye, Ollie.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, that was a high and a bye right there real quick
Grumpy Old Prop: um but yeah like And, you know, Bayless reading green, that's a good. That's a solid.
Jarrod Dyke: It's a good background, yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: back row But that's not their top back row.
Jarrod Dyke: No.
Grumpy Old Prop: And same thing with jeans.
Jarrod Dyke: Well shit green looks green looks better every day he plays
Grumpy Old Prop: Like video. Yes. Like, that didn't surprise me. He's he's a solid player. Um, Yeah. But it's like, of course.
Jarrod Dyke: Charlie Griffin on the wing. yeah
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. who played He himself, he played alright too.
Jarrod Dyke: Play ball.
Grumpy Old Prop: He scored one.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. Yes, he did.
Grumpy Old Prop: Because...
Jarrod Dyke: Seed from Tom Carr Smith.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: He's looking good since Spencer's gonna be missing some time so Thanks a lot.
Grumpy Old Prop: Hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: I feel feel like... it's almost like And not to take anything away from Spencer, but this ends up being a decent. situation for bat that can play the hot hand between
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm -hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: carsmith and vandalinda and it's Both have looked good.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yes, they have.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. You know, so it's. they don't have a lot of they don't have terrible options by any means whatsoever and that's not it's not unlike what a couple other teams have too so let's
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, they're in a good situation, and they still have Ben Spencer to come back. so they're they'renna good They're a good place for that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, they're fine. Bath are gonna be okay. That's not this Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: They'll be just fine Yeah. Biggest disappointment?
Grumpy Old Prop: Bristol.
Jarrod Dyke: Hmm. Barely fired a shot.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Um. Just... Kind of you know all right
Jarrod Dyke: yeah
Grumpy Old Prop: Was waiting for them to show up and they just never did like they could it's this it was even
Jarrod Dyke: No. they should have beat They should have won this game.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Honestly.
Grumpy Old Prop: they Like, salaries weren't, like... It's like all.
Jarrod Dyke: Shares weren't good.
Grumpy Old Prop: after a while it was like sarah's oh you you're not gonna score okay i guess we will somebody's got to right i guess somebody's gonna put up points like
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Here we go.
Jarrod Dyke: It was. They kept just showing us the door and the citizens are doing a really good job of not walking through it every once in a while.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: for quite a while.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I don't know.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um.
Jarrod Dyke: um
Grumpy Old Prop: And of course, Noah Calori is going to get in because he has to. like That's just contractually obligated to score.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah
Grumpy Old Prop: Whatever he plays.
Jarrod Dyke: Definitely. Yeah, it's Yeah, it was... it wasn't a And it wasn't a bad team. i know they left some guys home, they changed some guys, but...
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: um um I mean, did you see... And I, listen, i'm I will agree. As much as I can with it like the plastic pitches as much if we can get rid of them it will be helpful for the game. I know.
Jarrod Dyke: It's a cost effective. thing but at top level. It...
Grumpy Old Prop: At top level, I'll give you.
Jarrod Dyke: is what is That's what I'm talking about. It's at top level.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Listen, you both our teams play on ah on a plastic. We can't do anything about that.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: And it's probably more helpful than hurt because...
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Fuck.
Jarrod Dyke: it gives us options and our fields wouldn't be maintained otherwise.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: Like they'd be mud.
Grumpy Old Prop: Like. Okay.
Jarrod Dyke: So there's no question about that.
Grumpy Old Prop: that That field that we have to play on at Coast Guard is... dog shit it's like Mowgli.
Jarrod Dyke: Hmm. for those keeping score at home that's not a good thing
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. um It's not, no. like If you're going to play on a grass pitch, it better be good.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. I agree.
Grumpy Old Prop: and And it's just not there.
Jarrod Dyke: No, i don' no, I'm with you, but yeah like top -level
Grumpy Old Prop: And other places. So it's like, you know, we I mean.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: you you roll ankles you you pull hamstrings because you're just you just take one step wrong Good. shit goes bad which is why i like plastic for the for the for the kids yeah but then when you get to the professionals yes i i will agree with that that it should be
Jarrod Dyke: Amen.
Grumpy Old Prop: It should be grass.
Jarrod Dyke: Right. Yeah, top end stuff needs to be grass. Yeah. They figured out how to do it in a lot of places guys like Take some notes, send some people in to figure it out, because...
Jarrod Dyke: This is... It's more beneficial to have the grass than it is to not.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. And rugby of all sports, like...
Jarrod Dyke: for these especially for their health.
Grumpy Old Prop: Rugby doesn't chew up the field the way like even even football grit, you know American football does like
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, good Lord, no.
Grumpy Old Prop: You play on a football you've played on a football field. In. Like, November? and the entire middle of the field. is gone.
Jarrod Dyke: It was mud. Yeah, it's gone.
Grumpy Old Prop: And. So, yeah, you get stuff outside the hash marks. That's it, because that's the only place where it's not getting the shit beat out of it on every play.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: rugby, there's so much variation in where they play. Like... I played on a real nice pitch when I first started. We played on a very nice field. because it was in the Philly suburbs, so of course it was nice.
Jarrod Dyke: ah
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, And. Like they would the township had more problems with youth soccer than us. Because they're like no you guys don't tear it up.
Jarrod Dyke: Hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: They do Like the kids, like the fucking 12 ,000 kids we put out there every Sunday.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: They're the ones who tear it up. We know it's not you guys. I'm like, okay, cool. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um,
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I mean, and scrums will do a number on a pitch every once in a while. There's no question about that.
Grumpy Old Prop: every once in a while but like that's that's at a spot that's that can be fixed in in a couple days
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, it's not yeah it's not ah it's not up and down a whole pitch.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's not a... Right.
Jarrod Dyke: no i agree I agree with that one
Grumpy Old Prop: You just throw some dirt, you reseed it, you pat tap it down. eventually it'll grow back. Like that's not a. No.
Jarrod Dyke: Uh... Biggest surprise from this weekend.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, Gloucester
Jarrod Dyke: Hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: the last that last sequence from Gloucester.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Because, okay, also. Because I need to say it. um Rob Baxter. are yeah You...
Jarrod Dyke: Wakey, wakey.
Grumpy Old Prop: what Look at that. That's what you do. when You could. Get yourself an extra bonus point.
Jarrod Dyke: Mmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: Because it matters.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Not... I'm just going to kick it out. We don't need we don't need to play this. It's like you're not playing like. ah that I wanted to kick him in the balls for that. Gloucester though. the opposite we're like oh just just take the kick whatever who cares as long as we get in range for points You know, because it was like...
Grumpy Old Prop: What was the...
Jarrod Dyke: It was like a second left after the after the kick went through.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: ah
Grumpy Old Prop: And so it was like, all we need is a, you know, I think that, yeah, they would have needed to try. And instead they just needed to. a penalty kick.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, And so, yeah, like. Go and get it. And then they fought their way down the field, won a penalty. got it through just to to take home the second bonus point that's that's that's going to be huge that's a team that's like
Jarrod Dyke: Ready?
Grumpy Old Prop: That gives a shit. that's thinking long -term about winning.
Jarrod Dyke: okay
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, And. you know played a good game overall. It's just that Lester played a...
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: They, yeah. Buster was very good.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Yeah, I think. I think Lost are still in first, actually.
Grumpy Old Prop: I think they are.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. Yeah. and that And because they got that second point, like, that's huge.
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. Right. Yeah, they're in first because of that. There's like five teams with 11. And they have 12. Yeah, huge bonus point.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. There we go. Amen. I mean biggest surprise overall.
Grumpy Old Prop: Whereas Exeter should have... Nine points. They should be tied with sale instead of one point behind them. But they didn't they didn't want that.
Jarrod Dyke: It'd still be behind them on point differential or maybe yeah, they still would be but um
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, they would.
Jarrod Dyke: But yeah. Yeah, I mean...
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I see There's...
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I don't know. I got a lot. of thought I got a lot of thoughts I'm not sure I can get them all out and in the in the next five minutes here so um keep it Keep it under under my hat for a bit. I mean...
Jarrod Dyke: I will say. and Paul and I talked about this a couple weeks ago. I'm pretty sure he did, at least. Chris Boyd. helping out at Gloucester.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: i think he's I think he's in Gloucester for a short while, but we'll be advising from... um from a distance.
Grumpy Old Prop: Good.
Jarrod Dyke: um afterwards but yeah he's he's um it's clear and, you know. Well, Boyd didn't do great as a head coach in...
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: The problem did all right, but didn't do great. I think we all know what his attacking influence can do and from especially from his time hurricanes and saints like
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: He's a good judge. He's a good coach.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yes.
Jarrod Dyke: I think he's probably enjoying that. armchair ride on off to the side and letting skips take the pressure and yeah i'm just over here hanging out no big deal So.
Grumpy Old Prop: But that's the thing. Their attack has been so poor. Lately that it's like, okay you know this team is too talented. And...
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: and and yeah they're more talented now than they were especially look well look with with Lake. and um and And Jack Morgan. And then Trenholm coming on.
Jarrod Dyke: Hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: um like that's the thing they have that they have the young guys so they got some they got some experienced. players to come in. And... You know, Will Joseph being one of them too.
Jarrod Dyke: He's been good, yeah, for the last two years for the last season plus.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, You know, but ah Ben Redshaw, Seb Atkinson, like...
Jarrod Dyke: ah
Jarrod Dyke: Mm -hmm
Grumpy Old Prop: They have guys.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Llewellyn isn't even isn't even playing yet. Like they're playing, they they're doing this with fucking Olly Thorley and Ben Loader, which is like.
Jarrod Dyke: No.
Grumpy Old Prop: you know, Thorley was... Fantastic. seven years ago.
Jarrod Dyke: go i was yeah I was waiting for that caveat. I was like, yeah there's a button there.
Grumpy Old Prop: And Ben Loader, he still hasn't, no matter where he's been, he hasn't regained the form that he had. with London Irish.
Jarrod Dyke: No.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um. So he he's, you know, a bit of a well, actually, that's right. He was on the bench for this. um So he'll be back soon, which is good
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Again.
Jarrod Dyke: Erroneous.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: there Yeah. Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: so they've got young players like just get it yeah get them a little bit of more attacking intent and they're
Jarrod Dyke: I wonder...
Grumpy Old Prop: Who knows?
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, and I mean... and charlie And the Atkinson brothers have really done and done quite a bit. Charlie Atkinson's played super, super well.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: George Barton, being a fullback, less than 10, has turned into a good decision for them.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Um, And I wonder... And obviously... You got to believe that a guy like Jack Morgan can just raise everyone's game. Um,
Grumpy Old Prop: and Yes. And he's obviously doing that.
Jarrod Dyke: and then and and then ah And then a World Cup winner like John Klein on top of that. To go with the whole thing. So
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, that's alright.
Jarrod Dyke: That helped. but You got to wonder. you know, What number one? raises everyone's game, but number two like Everyone everyone sees Number seven. wearing shirt in white.
Jarrod Dyke: Morgan and they think, ah, shit.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: They don't think about anybody else in the back row after that, you know, so it's ghetto It's gonna open up some space for the other guys, you know, fuck even Ludlow might end up looking good so
Grumpy Old Prop: Right. Right.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Well, let's not go too far.
Jarrod Dyke: But...
Grumpy Old Prop: He was also, he was, no, you know what? He's another guy who was very good. Seven years ago.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, right. Exactly. so
Grumpy Old Prop: But Trenton Holmes is a guy who's co who's very good now and is going to be even better.
Jarrod Dyke: I got to believe.
Grumpy Old Prop: so
Jarrod Dyke: Mm hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, That's awesome for them. And not to not to.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, it was he was definitely one year later than we thought.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. and and not to discount the guys on the other side of that like freddie stewart's playing
Jarrod Dyke: you
Grumpy Old Prop: extremely well.
Jarrod Dyke: Mm hmm.
Grumpy Old Prop: Hassell Collins had himself a day.
Jarrod Dyke: Yes.
Grumpy Old Prop: um Maybe Loader, you know, he worked he he worked really well opposite of the House of Collins, so.
Jarrod Dyke: Yes.
Grumpy Old Prop: um back in the day maybe you know maybe he'll be better with with it Um, you know, ah a wing that's going to take more attention away from him.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. and And that's probably coming down the line here. so
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: with their time with their time getting there world.
Grumpy Old Prop: But a bunch of Welsh also, yes, a bunch of Welsh. influence on the other side too.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um,
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, well, most of the back row was.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. with what with Yeah, right.
Jarrod Dyke: Say, if I'm not mistaken, I'm pretty sure most of the back row was.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yep, Wainwright and Tommy. Raphael.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. And Crackdown came off the bench. Yeah, I mean... I... well i'm Not going to. you know. champion Aaron Wainwright by any means whatsoever.
Jarrod Dyke: But I can say... I do understand what the hype is.
Grumpy Old Prop: Mm hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: to having seen him do his thing for lastster the last the last few weeks. so
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: i can I can admit that. Maybe I didn't see it before? I'm not gonna say he's gonna be a world beater
Grumpy Old Prop: Right.
Jarrod Dyke: But i understand I do understand why people are excited. So I'll give i'll give everyone that.
Jarrod Dyke: ah You want to do some pick 'em?
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, let's do some Pick 'em.
Jarrod Dyke: Pick them.
Grumpy Old Prop: Why not?
Jarrod Dyke: We'll call it a day. um All right. Champions Cup round one. This totally caught me by surprise, by the way. I totally forgot that they were doing an early round in this in this season.
Jarrod Dyke: And I was like...
Grumpy Old Prop: All right.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh wait.
Grumpy Old Prop: Not. Not me. That didn't happen to me.
Jarrod Dyke: Totally caught my shorts down on that one. All right. um Gloucester Bordeaux.
Grumpy Old Prop: And that's... in Gloucester. um But Bordeaux.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, that's part. Yeah. I mean, I reserve the right to change my mind of some of these teams that come out. are dog shit i will say that
Grumpy Old Prop: Right, but... Because, yeah, we all know the French don't travel well. Um, But.
Jarrod Dyke: No, or the South Africans.
Grumpy Old Prop: But yeah, exactly. So, but Bordeaux, I think that's not.
Jarrod Dyke: This is not an optional thing for them to be back. They can't be bad at this competition
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah. Right. So I don't think they're going to be that one to do. to do it so
Jarrod Dyke: No.
Grumpy Old Prop: And even if they sent a change team, it would be fucking ridiculous anyway.
Jarrod Dyke: It'll still be good.
Grumpy Old Prop: They've got. fuck
Jarrod Dyke: See you at Glasgow.
Grumpy Old Prop: State.
Grumpy Old Prop: Glasgow.
Jarrod Dyke: Same.
Jarrod Dyke: Bolstad Francais in South Africa.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, both.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. That was my first instinct too.
Grumpy Old Prop: Again, this so Stade, I think, is...
Jarrod Dyke: Having listened to Brad Weber talk about his time at Stafford, I'd say they definitely don't send anybody away.
Grumpy Old Prop: Okay.
Jarrod Dyke: They're just like.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: keep guys home and if we go on when we go on the road it's going to be the binge use
Grumpy Old Prop: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: a Claremont Leinster.
Grumpy Old Prop: Lenster.
Jarrod Dyke: Stormers in Bristol.
Jarrod Dyke: I think Sasha's back, so that's what has me...
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, Sasha's shusha's back.
Jarrod Dyke: leading stormers.
Grumpy Old Prop: He played in the last round.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep.
Grumpy Old Prop: of, um... URC. Crystal?
Jarrod Dyke: I know bristol rested guys, but I just Sasha against the world. I'll usually take Sasha so
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, I'll go.
Jarrod Dyke: with with with with some exception.
Grumpy Old Prop: ah i'll i'll i'll go stormers but i mean we've seen wasn't it last year even that the quins won away
Jarrod Dyke: it
Grumpy Old Prop: in South Africa.
Jarrod Dyke: Yes, which was weird.
Grumpy Old Prop: So yeah, that's true.
Jarrod Dyke: i was like that threw me off TBD. But yeah, I think I... I love Bristol, but I think Stormers. Um, Connacht Saracens, I don't... Like, I don't know what we're going to do with this competition under Venter.
Jarrod Dyke: So... and we don't travel well in the last couple of years so i'm taking connor
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, but remember, it's the refs in contact. um Sorry. Sorry, Colin. But...
Jarrod Dyke: Oh man.
Grumpy Old Prop: That that's just kind of slipped out of the column.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh man.
Grumpy Old Prop: I apologize.
Jarrod Dyke: Uh...
Grumpy Old Prop: Not really, but I apologize.
Jarrod Dyke: Not really.
Grumpy Old Prop: Not really.
Jarrod Dyke: it
Grumpy Old Prop: So I'm going to go Saracens because they've got. They've got the... ah The whistle on their side.
Jarrod Dyke: yeah We'll see. Um,
Grumpy Old Prop: By virtue of playing Kanae.
Jarrod Dyke: La Rochelle and Lions in France.
Grumpy Old Prop: Um...
Jarrod Dyke: i show
Grumpy Old Prop: lions i think this is one that Love Rochelle.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh you think so?
Grumpy Old Prop: Ben juices. Yeah, they'll just because.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh, there. They're in France. They're not in South Africa.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, never mind. Sorry, opposite. but Just kidding.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah. just Just a reminder, Chief.
Grumpy Old Prop: Wow.
Grumpy Old Prop: No, oh no, they're okay. They're they're at home. Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Lower show.
Jarrod Dyke: That's what I thought you were. That's what I thought you said.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Um...
Grumpy Old Prop: Obviously what I said.
Jarrod Dyke: Path Montpellier. At the rack.
Grumpy Old Prop: Beth. Again, rested guys there.
Jarrod Dyke: Yep. Same.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Munster and Rousing. In Ireland.
Grumpy Old Prop: Rousing are playing pretty well I think, if I'm not mistaken.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, but I bet you they don't travel.
Grumpy Old Prop: Okay. Yeah. I'm still going to go wrestling.
Jarrod Dyke: You're asking?
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah, why not What's the worst that happens?
Jarrod Dyke: I'm gonna go.
Grumpy Old Prop: I i drop a game on you?
Jarrod Dyke: we're We're tired right now.
Grumpy Old Prop: Okay, well, i'll i'll I'll get it back somewhere else.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, we're tied right now. um Powell and Lester in France.
Grumpy Old Prop: Wow. Lester.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, you going, Lester?
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: I think... Pow will play their usual guy, so I'll go with them. If it was... flipped, I'd definitely go Lester.
Grumpy Old Prop: Hmm.
Jarrod Dyke: Um... To lose Exeter.
Grumpy Old Prop: yeah This is gonna be fun.
Jarrod Dyke: Toys. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: Oh, that's going to be fun.
Jarrod Dyke: Oh man, Northampton and Cardiff. I don't know if Cardiff are going to send the full noise.
Grumpy Old Prop: Probably not.
Jarrod Dyke: And it won't matter.
Grumpy Old Prop: No. It will not.
Jarrod Dyke: Sorry, Cardiff fans. It won't matter.
Grumpy Old Prop: ah I'm gonna have to find the line on that game.
Jarrod Dyke: Womp womp.
Grumpy Old Prop: ah and And the over -under, because damn.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, I actually got it. That's a good point. I got to think about that. Yeah. Yep. That sounds like fun.
Grumpy Old Prop: Actually, same first style as Exeter. that's Those two are going to be...
Jarrod Dyke: You mean to lose?
Grumpy Old Prop: Um, i'm sorry Yeah, to lose. Yes.
Jarrod Dyke: Toodles. Yeah.
Grumpy Old Prop: I did say sod, but I just didn't finish it with.
Jarrod Dyke: You said start, but you were you didn't finish it.
Grumpy Old Prop: With. I didn't finish it. Um, Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Yeah, no, no, no Yeah, I hear Stodd and I think Stodd Francais.
Grumpy Old Prop: It's alcohol. It affects your judgment.
Jarrod Dyke: a My judgment's just fine, and i'm still I'm still agreeing with you, so...
Grumpy Old Prop: Yeah.
Jarrod Dyke: Says that. All right fam. that's what That's that. Thank you guys for being patient and joining us. We will have sheet out on Friday after all the lineups are named.
Grumpy Old Prop: Yes.
Jarrod Dyke: We'll catch you guys then if you guys have questions, we feel free to shoot us a message Otherwise, we appreciate you guys hanging out with us and we'll catch you you guys next time. Have a good one everyone
Grumpy Old Prop: Later.
Jarrod Dyke: Cheers.
