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Paranormal Round Table - September - Festival Of the Unexplained
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In this months round table, Mike and Michaela discuss their weekend at the Festival Of The Unexplained and the reason why Mike had to leave early!
We also talk CE5, meditation and how this can help with opening communications.
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Transcript
Introduction of Hosts and Guest
00:00:01
Speaker
Hello and welcome to this month's Power Normal Roundtable. Welcome back. We have our regular crew. Greg is with me. How are you doing, Greg? Wonderful. Thanks. How are you doing? I am awesome. As always, we have Mike from Power Mike with us. How are you doing today? I'm doing okay. Thank you.
00:00:23
Speaker
good stuff. And joining us again is Michaela from Power Normal or What podcast. How are you doing this fine evening? E by go mom doing fine lad. Get your Yorkshire roots there. For anyone who doesn't know, Ash has just come from an audition as a 80s show host. Hence why the intro was like that.
00:00:46
Speaker
Look, red can of cream on the spot, and that just came out. I thought you sounded very perky, actually. Come on down. Is this the Serrano drinking? That's a bit... Oh, Serrano. Good. I'm drinking triple sec, because it's the only thing we had. Apparently the Serrano, that'll sort me out. A cup of tea. In a Christmas mug.
00:01:13
Speaker
It's a Christmas mug. I've been drinking out of all year. You're fucking keen? Because, no I'm not. Because it's a big vessel. So I can have a big cup of tea.
Festival of the Unexplained Overview
00:01:26
Speaker
That's the only reason. Anyway, so this month let's start with half of us.
00:01:34
Speaker
We're at a big paranormal festival this last weekend. The Festival of the Unexplained, where Mike and Michaela both visited. I think both were the first time going to that festival. Yep. Well, for me anyway, yeah. Cool. Yeah, we've never been. But we've been looking up to have Karen, the organizer on the show a couple of times, talking about the festival and her work and
00:02:02
Speaker
per mediumship and all that sort of stuff. So it's good that you guys are there to kind of give us the other side of how it is as an attendee to attend. So yeah, let's kick off with First World Unexplained.
00:02:14
Speaker
attendees with social accounts who are trying to network as much as possible with many people. I did spot that. Full confession, it was more one and a half members of this podcast because I actually started feeling absolute garbage by my day Saturday and went home. I don't know whether it was dehydration or whether the woo woo kicked in and I was overwhelmed by all the
00:02:43
Speaker
crystals and such but i don't know felt felt like i managed to watch danny's talk and then felt garbage so i was like i just need to go annoyingly when we got in the car and i had some chocolate that perked me right up well i was halfway down the motorway on the way home so i was like oh it's a bit late now anyway aside from that so mckayla will have a better understanding mckayla did way more of the weekend so she'll have a better understanding of it overall than me so where where was it first of all let's let's start
00:03:14
Speaker
start with that Bosworth Hall in Warwickshire which is a spa hotel and a very big one I haven't been to a hotel that big for ages actually humongous absolutely humongous it was a sprawling old hotel but still three star
00:03:36
Speaker
It was like the Overlook Hotel from The Shining, where you'd go down a corridor and go, where the fuck is this leading? I've got in The Shining. Get out. What on earth? Have you not? I've even shown my children The Shining. Oh, mate. Fuck watching the fourth kind after this, watch The Shining. It's brilliant.
00:03:59
Speaker
Who has now led the most show of life, me or Ash? I was going to say, I've got views from not watching whatever film you've talked about before. You've not watched The Four Kinds. You've not watched The Shining. Mate. But yeah, a paranormal fan apparently. Yeah, you need to watch it. I go underground, mate. I don't watch this Hollywood bullshit. I'm in deep with heli-air and most haunted and shit like that. Shrivial B movies. Anyway, yeah, the hotel was...
00:04:26
Speaker
Bizarre, like you'd turn round a corner and it would lead to sort of an empty corridor or something like that. And it was a sort of hotel where they gave you a map when
Gothic Masquerade Ball Experience
00:04:36
Speaker
you booked in because it was so hard to find your way around. And me and Patsy still managed to get lost trying to find our room because they went, go down here, you'll see a set of stairs, go through the door opposite. Okay, cool. We just went totally the wrong way. I'm like, where the fuck is our room? It was bizarrely laid out, honestly.
00:04:57
Speaker
But it was good. It was good. I had the impression when I went in that there were several bars, but it turned out there was only one. But people were taking their drinks all over the place. So that's why it seemed like there was loads and loads of bars outside and on terraces and in hidden nooks and all sorts of stuff. So note to self, one bar only.
00:05:25
Speaker
and take a map. One bar will travel. It was like a whole weekend, wasn't it? So did it start on Friday, if I'm not mistaken?
00:05:38
Speaker
So the event itself actually, depending on what ticket you brought, you could be doing stuff Thursday night where there was, there was a ghost hunt Thursday night. And then Friday night, there was platform mediumship with a guy called Rob Thompson. Um, but then the actual main bulk of the talks and everything was the Saturday and Sunday. And I'm well, I mean, I'm pretty sure that was, I only did half the Saturday should have been all the Saturday. And then Michaela did the Saturday and Sunday because we actually met in the bar Friday night when, when she arrived.
00:06:11
Speaker
to looking a bit sheepish and I sort of waved and went hi over in the corner and didn't really recognize Michele about her glasses on I was like was that
00:06:21
Speaker
Yeah, I'm looking for somebody with red hair and glasses. Who's that woman with red hair? Yeah, exactly that. Yeah, because I can see from a distance. So I don't normally wear my glasses. It's just when I'm having to see closer. I can't see anything without them. Yeah. So anyway, we, yeah, and they did some sort of ghost trip, didn't they, on the Friday to Kenilworth Castle?
00:06:49
Speaker
That's it. Kenilworth Castle, Friday morning, they sort of, for all the like, super VIP member, uh, tickets, they went out there and they took like, I didn't think they would have, but they took Danny Moston, like, Darryl Marston and some of the other speakers out there as well.
00:07:03
Speaker
which I thought they'd have just sort of turned up for their talk, as it were, done the talk, hung around for a bit and go, cool, thanks, see you later. But it would seem like, I mean, we spoke to Danny Moss about it. In fact, he was there and on the piss for four days, essentially. Yeah, everyone was literally dying by the Sunday. Yeah. And because we'd, we
00:07:26
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didn't get into whatever was going on on the Friday night there was some big party after hours but we were just sat in the bar so because we took it quite steady on the Friday we were all fresh for the Saturday and only you know normally hung over on the Sunday
00:07:44
Speaker
but the people who'd been partying for four days were literally dead. There were people laying on sofas and people not coming out of their rooms, which apparently is why the festival is only three days next year because they're trying to make it so that people can survive for the weekend next year. It sounds like Glastonbury or something like that. Oh, it was mental. Spooky Glastonbury, honestly, yeah.
00:08:15
Speaker
I've never been anywhere, I have to say, hand on heart. It's my first Paracon. But, you know, you go in and there's like a marketplace with loads of stalls and then the speakers are sat at the back. Now, last year I went to Horicon in Sheffield and that it's a similar kind of idea, but much, much bigger. So you had the marketplace and then all the famous people at the back.
00:08:42
Speaker
but you couldn't really go and talk to them whereas at the festival of the unexplained you could list literally you just walk past the crystals and go oh here in a row are Darryl Marston, Dave Schrader, Danny Moss, Penny Morgan, Neil Story and you just worked your way down the line chatting to them all and you could do that as many times as you wanted during the day as long as they were sat at their little table
00:09:11
Speaker
And it was so friendly. And then you'd, you know, went to the ball in the evening, there was a Gothic masquerade ball. And they were just literally
Michaela's Networking and Future Collaborations
00:09:20
Speaker
walking around the tables, getting as drunk as everybody else and having a good dance. And, you know, Dave bought me a drink. Danny was
00:09:33
Speaker
having a great time, shall we say? He was having it with me. From the video I saw on Facebook, he was fucking absolutely loving it. He was having a good old boogie. He was as tiddly as the rest of us and everyone was just being really silly and it was literally, they put us on tables for the ball. So I went with my sister-in-law and I was on table three. She was put on table nine. They literally split us all up.
00:09:59
Speaker
so that we'd all get talking to other people. So I was sat on a table with these fabulous ladies from a paranormal group up north called Kindred Spirits and I got talking to them. I sat talking to them for hours. There was Neil Story, the historian, his son Lawrence at the other side of me and his partner Amy. And we literally just all got on like a house on fire.
00:10:28
Speaker
one of the best nights I've ever had, I have to say. And then the talks were fantastic, really professional. It was just, I can't speak highly enough of it. It was one of the best weekends I've ever had, I have to say. Yeah, some of the best four hours I've had as well, yeah.
00:10:52
Speaker
But, um, you're such a flake, Mike. Honestly, I felt fucking garbage after like, not, not just literally, but also I was just like, for fuck's sake, all this way. And I've been two minutes. I'm like, Oh, I'm feeling rough. I best go home to be fair. I only really want to see Danny speak, but, um, but yeah, the talks of the ones I saw. Well, Danny Mosses of the ones I saw, they were both really good, but Danny Mosses was very, very good to the point that he, um,
00:11:22
Speaker
did like a little talk and showed some of the footage he'd captured from like lower wellhead farm and from my haunted hotel and dropped some nuggets of information about my haunted hotel that i don't necessarily think are massively out in the public at the moment and we may not be at the liberty of to say so i won't um but then at the end he was like he was like any questions and i stuck my hand and bearing in mind we all know what
00:11:52
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uh, TV Danny's like, and internet Danny, where he can get a bit leery and go at people. And I stuck my hand up and went, how do you reconcile having a haunted doll when you don't believe in haunted items? Oh, good question. And he sort of smiled when I knew this was going to come up. And you know what, like from the answer he gave, and then we went up afterwards and Michaelia introduced me and I sort of shook his hand and we were having a chat and stuff.
00:12:17
Speaker
from the answer he gave fair play to him, he sort of went through the history of the great story and then when, how do I explain it? I can't explain it. I don't actually have an answer into how to stand there and say that as opposed to just try and come up with an answer was great. And then I also because I know he's been getting a lot of shit from debunkers lace recently. So I also said, I said to him afterwards, I was like, I didn't want to ask
00:12:41
Speaker
out loud in the room because it might not go down well but i was like is the paranormal in the worst state it's been in the moment with the way debunkers and people on youtube are going at each other and he was like to be fair to him he was like events like this really reinvigorating my faith in the paranormal community and yeah i totally get what he means because it was even if everyone wasn't super like-minded in what they believe it was definitely very respectful and sort of a celebration of it rather than
00:13:10
Speaker
Debunkers and skeptics and believers being edge of his throats constantly. So yeah, like Real life Danny is such a nice dude and just like a just like a guy It's not like He's there going. Oh, I'm fucking I'm Danny Moss. You should respect me cuz I'm I've done XYZ. No, he's just a dude real real nice dude Let's let's put it this way
00:13:39
Speaker
Even Patsy was like, he's actually a nice guy. I quite enjoyed his talk. And previous to that, she didn't like him from what she'd seen on TV and stuff. So I was like, fair enough. Yeah.
00:13:53
Speaker
I don't want to spoil his street cred, but he's a real sweetie. He's a really nice guy. Maybe a slightly different persona can come across over the internet.
Humorous Interaction with Dave Schrader
00:14:12
Speaker
Obviously when he's doing My Haunted Hotel, he's being Danny presenter and all that sort of thing. And everyone has different personas for different parts of their life, don't they?
00:14:23
Speaker
It's really nice to sort of go, yeah, I remember, I haven't seen you for six months or whatever, but yeah, I remember actually, you're a really nice guy, I really like you. And I think when people, you know, it's like email being the enemy of turn, you know, when you're on the internet and even just typing stuff out, things can come across, the nuances aren't there, are they?
00:14:52
Speaker
And, you know, and Dave Schrader, I mean, he's, I just thought he was fabulous. I interviewed him. It was quite funny. Because all, you know, I've been building myself up to going, you know, I'm going to be speaking to Dave again. I'd done this hours interview with him on Zoom about six months ago. And I was thinking, you know, I talked to this man for six, you know, for 60 minutes.
00:15:19
Speaker
of course he's going to remember me. And then there's this other part of me that goes, he's not going to remember me, is he? No, McCainian must brace yourself for the fact that when you go up and speak to him, he might not remember who you are. So I went up and I was like, hi Dave, remember me? And he looked at me and he went, no. And I'm like, brutal. I was like, are you sure? And he went, no, who are you?
00:15:46
Speaker
I'm Mikayla from Paranormal. I'm like, what podcast? And he went, Mikayla, I speak to thousands of people. And I'm like, I was getting smaller and smaller, like shrinking down in front of me going. And then I just, I just let Yorkshire and Mikayla go and I went, oh, come on, Dave. Bloody hell, I can't believe I spoke to you for 60 minutes and you don't even remember who I am. It's a bit of a poor show, mate.
00:16:12
Speaker
and because I think because I told him off and then we got talking about I don't know loads of rubbish and I got on like a house on fire and he turned out behind his kind of brusque manner that he that he has on the television is very serious and on his paranormal 60 podcast his
00:16:37
Speaker
you know, very professional. But behind all of that, he's just a really nice, funny guy. And it's lovely to meet people in person. The last thing I said on the Sunday, as I ran over and got my final hug in with him, I was like, it's just so nice to meet you in person, because people are just so different in real life.
00:17:07
Speaker
you know, it can go either way. I think we were lucky that everybody at the festival was absolutely lovely in real life, no s and graces, normal people with a sense of humor, silly, you know, liking a few drinks, just regular people. And I know that sometimes it doesn't always go that way when you meet people that you've
00:17:31
Speaker
you know you think I really want to meet that person I think would really get on and then you're sort of disappointed when you meet them but it wasn't like that they were really lovely people.
00:17:42
Speaker
And I bought my ticket for next year already. I can't wait to go again. Jeez. Wow. I was, I was going to say I was sort of stood behind looking at one of the stalls where I heard Michaela go up and go, I don't remember me. And I, my fucking heart was sinking. And I hear him going, I've been on the road for four months. I do a thousand of these things. I'm really sorry, but I don't. And I was just like, Oh man. But on the flip side of that, Michaela would message me as she was driving up, going, Oh, I don't know if Dave and Danny will remember me. Blah, blah, blah.
00:18:11
Speaker
And when, after Danny's talk, Michaela stuck her hand up to ask a question as well. And you just see Danny, a big smile come across his face and go, yes, Michaela. So it's like, he does remember you. And then afterwards, when we went up and spoke to him, he gave her a big hug immediately. He's like, oh, how are you doing? And that sort of stuff. And it was, yeah, almost like an old, an old friend reuniting. Do you know what I mean? Which was really nice. It was lovely. The bit you didn't see there was when I costed him over breakfast.
00:18:40
Speaker
earlier on. It was that many's breakfast that I went running over going, Mr. Moss, how are you? Give him a big hug. And he had a big mouthful of toast. I was like, Oh, sorry. I didn't realize you were eating. I was literally hyper the entire weekend. I was so overexcited. I was like, I think I was like a seven year old on speed the whole weekend. I was just like,
00:19:08
Speaker
Yeah, I think I was probably slightly overwhelming to everybody, but I had the best time ever. Yeah, it was very, very good. Neil's story as well.
Neil Story's Historical Tales
00:19:20
Speaker
He's a historian. I only really saw the historian side of him because he had a little stall in the marketplace area.
00:19:29
Speaker
me and patsy are just walking past and he's he might as well have gone roll up roll up and had a fucking cane but he was like oh come and have a look come and have a look and he was selling um victorian pennies or victorian half pennies for like whatever amount and like he was selling yeah yeah okay selling old medieval uh exorcism crosses as well nice and stuff and he's like oh
00:19:55
Speaker
victorian half pennies they'd be great for trigger objects blah blah blah blah and we're looking and going oh he's like look at the date on them these would have been around the time of jack the ripper and then we're looking and he goes but i know i've got something that you might like even more whips this big fucking bag out and plonks on the desk and i went a sock because it looked like it was just a sock full of something he goes no and he reaches in and he's got we bought them in the end a couple of victorian half half penny because he swindled us a couple of victorian half pennies that were from
00:20:25
Speaker
1879 and 1889. And he's like, oh, these could have been in the hands of Jack the Ripper, because they're from that sort of era. And I'm like, they definitely weren't. But yeah, you got me.
00:20:37
Speaker
That's why you felt ill afterwards. Yeah, yeah. The fucking... Fuck, I've been done. What's it called? The psycho... I can't remember what it's called. The stuff where mediums hold an item of the dead and channel them through that. I want to say psychomantium, but it's not that at all. But yeah, that's that sort of thing where you go, or I've got your grandma scarf or something, you know? Maybe it was, maybe it was some dodgy coins.
00:21:06
Speaker
Either that or Patsy was getting to the point where she was spending just a little bit too much money on crystals and other stuff. And I was like, oh, I'm feeling fucking hell. I spent a fortune. I bought everyone's book because they were signing them except for Neil's because he'd sold out. So I must get that.
00:21:26
Speaker
So I bought all the books, I bought an enormous crystal, kind of smoky black, smoky quartz, I think it was, it was huge. And I bought some Neil Story pennies and I bought a Roman coin from Neil as well, because I'm teaching my class about the Romans at the moment, so I spent 25 quid there.
00:21:50
Speaker
Yeah, my husband hasn't seen my credit card bill yet. But even, um, and I know, I know they sort of run the event and everything, but as, as me and Patsy were about to leave and Michaela was sort of coming out, I can't remember why coming out the front as well, the way we were going. Cara and Frey walked in front of us and she was like, hiya, how you getting on? And I sort of went, it's a bit of a piss taking lib, please stop Greg.
00:22:21
Speaker
I can hear what have you tried to open. Why are you scuffling about with that? As we were leaving, Karen Fray was there and I sort of went, yeah, Michaela, you could have Karen Fray on your podcast. And she spun around and we got talking to her for like 15, 20 minutes, just about the entirety of everything she's done. And again, I get that she's the festival organizer, but really nice person and just
00:22:48
Speaker
She's obviously got a fucking turn on when she's organizing that, but just sitting there with us for 20 minutes and just have a chat. It was like, fair play.
00:22:56
Speaker
Yeah, it was great. And yeah, they are coming on my podcast as, as is, I, I was networking. I'm not very good at networking normally, but because I was so hyper the whole weekend, I was just running around going, will you be on my podcast? Will you be on my podcast? Um, and they all said, yes, cause they're such nice people. So now I'm chasing them all going, you remember when you said you'd be on my podcast? Um, so it's an amazing place for, um, for networking.
00:23:26
Speaker
So I think you two should go next year. Yeah. I was so close to going. You should absolutely go. I was a bit going. Maybe, maybe next year.
00:23:38
Speaker
You better get your tickets quick, they're going. I haven't given Ash the good news that I messaged Karen last night and said, look, if you're up for two new speakers for next year, me and Ash are up for it. And we'll talk about the paranormal and cryptids and UFOs and the way they're all connected. And so sorry about Ash.
00:23:57
Speaker
Looks like I'm going to. You guys would love it, honestly. Michaela's right. And so is Danny to an extent. It's just, yeah, it's really good. So Michaela, what was your favorite talk? Do you have a favorite talk from the weekend? Oh, well. Um.
00:24:27
Speaker
I liked them all. Can I just start by saying that? I know that's a cop out, but I really enjoyed Danny's talk because he was really brutally honest and told everybody what hangover he had. And then said he was completely unprepared and then whipped out this fabulous video that he'd obviously prepared earlier.
00:24:53
Speaker
I really enjoyed Penny's talk because so Penny G Morgan is a historian that's often on Help My House is Haunted and various other programs. And she's very knowledgeable about one of her books about Epping Forest because me and my group are going to be going to investigate Epping Forest soon. So I'm really interested in that. Dave Schrader's talk
00:25:21
Speaker
He's just so personable. He talked for an hour and a half and it felt like five minutes. And it was like, oh, have you finished already?
00:25:31
Speaker
But actually, the one that I really, really enjoyed, Darwin Marston's was really good as well. But Neil Story's talk was about Bram Stoker. He's written a book about Bram Stoker. And it was, the thing that I really admired about his talk was it was so polished.
00:25:55
Speaker
He taught for an hour and it was obviously a talk that he's done before and he had slides and he even had, it kind of started, like really good stories start at one place and then they take you on a big circle and come back round to the beginning again. And he even had kind of like an ending flamboyant sentence, I can't remember what it was, but it was just so professionally done.
00:26:24
Speaker
I couldn't help but admire how he did his talk and it was really interesting. So much so that I bought the book, you know, I'm about, well I'm about to buy the book on Bram Stoker who I've not really been that interested in before so I just, I liked them all for different reasons and I'm sorry if that was a cop-out and a long answer.
00:26:50
Speaker
No, no, that's great. Was there any UFO stuff there? Obviously you talked a lot about sort of panels. Was there any UFO stuff there? There was, yeah. Was it Jay Austin? I don't know. Yeah. He was an American dude who was there and I looked at him and I'm like, I have no idea who you are. Like I had a vague idea of the other ones, but him, I was like, I don't know. But yeah, Saturday one o'clock there was a UFO UAP talk. Yeah. And I think there was one. Yeah, there was one.
00:27:20
Speaker
Was that the one? But I don't think Jay's American, is he? Maybe not. I thought he was. Unfortunately, it had coincided with me needing a nap before the evening ball.
00:27:39
Speaker
We flagged a bit. I had a half hour nap because my sister-in-law didn't really want to watch it, but then afterwards I thought, I wish I'd gone to actually find out what he said. So I regret not going and I wish I had. So I'm sorry, Jay, if you didn't listen to this.
00:27:57
Speaker
I would like to listen to your talk in the future but I was again the madness of festival sorry to carry on talking about my fiance but the madness of the festival with Patsy who hates anything UFO or alien related because she's shit scared of it
00:28:12
Speaker
when she's looking at the program and she's going, oh, that'd be interesting. The UFO talk. And I'm like, really? And she's like, yeah, because it's something different and this and ever. And I was like, oh, okay, who are you? What have they done with Patsy? What's going on here?
00:28:32
Speaker
It was just no agreeable woman. She was lovely. Oh, she is lovely. I really enjoyed meeting her actually. She is, yeah. She's a very good actor when she meets people in public.
00:28:44
Speaker
Oi, don't be mean. No, she is. You're hearing this badly. I'll be moving out quite quickly if she was. No, she is. She's the entire reason why I'm into this weird, wacky thing. Mate, she's not listening. You do not need to say that. Oh yeah, good point. Yeah, fuck her.
Upcoming CE5 UFO Investigation with Danny Moss
00:29:09
Speaker
I'll send her the link though, so don't worry. Careful. Time stamp it.
00:29:16
Speaker
So talking about our friend Danny Moss and moving away slightly from Festival of the Unexplained, we briefly spoke the last paranormal roundtable about something that we were going to be doing. Did we even say it on air? I don't think we did, did we? I don't think you did. You've announced it on socials quite a lot, though. Yeah.
00:29:44
Speaker
So we spoke off air afterwards to say that we were going to Delaware Forest.
00:29:51
Speaker
to um we're we're allowed to say where it is aren't we I suppose so Delamere Forest yep Delamere Forest um to do a CE5 um UAP investigation with Danny Moss and record it for his paranormal investigator program that he has on VHX so we've been and
00:30:20
Speaker
anxiously waiting for this to be edited and we spent the the afternoon evening and quite a large part of the night with Danny so I can relate to what you said about Danny being like a normal guy because we spent a lot of time obviously talking to him and walking around and doing loads of weird stuff and videoing
00:30:45
Speaker
And yeah, he is a nice guy. His partner's really nice as well. She was on the investigation with us and she does the camera work. So she was really nice. Nice to meet her. Although I did get lost a couple of times. Whilst following everybody to different parts of Delamere Forest, I got lost multiple times. It's the first time I've seen a drone in person and they are so cool.
00:31:15
Speaker
Oh yeah, Danny had his drone as well. Wow, it goes up so high. I've never seen one before like that. Oh, Ash. Showered life. I know. Perhaps I don't. Oh, no. OK. So we. Yeah, we.
00:31:33
Speaker
We spent the evening, like I say, doing like program video with stuff with my hands and stuff like that. It's kind of behind the scenes, so it was really interesting to see how and what goes into actually producing a TV show that you don't see when you look at obviously when you see a finished TV show. But yeah, no, that was really interesting there.
00:31:59
Speaker
that was enjoyable as the actual investigation does being there being like the camera working or the production that goes into it and the it's a lot of work and how like how much footage to get um how much different things you got to do how much thought goes into everything and like with this tv so it's pretty much
00:32:19
Speaker
just Danny doing it all and his girlfriend and the amount of work that they must do to do such a polished sort of episode that comes out of it is pretty insane. So it was like it was a C5 slash
00:32:35
Speaker
how and all investigation crypted. I can tell you I've always just got all sorts of tales going back of dog men, wolves, dragons, big for all sorts of reports since the middle ages. Going back to Roman times because
00:32:54
Speaker
I used to be a road from, I think it was from, I don't know, Nutsford to Chester, just a straight road. And it used to cut through, what was the forest? The forest, it's quite small now compared to what it used to be. Used to stretch all the way up to the Mersey.
00:33:11
Speaker
to be a massive, massive forest. Of course a lot of it's cut down and the Romans built a road through it in a straight line and there's loads of tales from them saying that this is like the werewolves, these weird dog man creatures and this is how many years ago the Romans were.
00:33:28
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around so that's really interesting and these tales go on to today there's loads of reports of people going missing people being found dead in the forest and everything else in there so it's cool just to
00:33:43
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Well, it's a CE5 part which you did, which is the first time I've done a CE5. Being a UFO guy, being more of the sort of skeptical, science-based kind of investigations we do. I've never really done the CE5 side of it, which is the more spiritual connecting to it. Who was running the CE5? Natalie.
00:34:09
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Natalie from UFO Identify. She's part of the HICE group in the Northwest. Yes, I had a conversation with someone who I believe is part of that group a while back who said that when they were coming down to Avebury, they were like, oh, we should come along and do it with us because that'd be great. And then it never transpired because of whatever. But yeah, I've heard of the HICE group and it does seem very interesting. Did you actually get any results from it or was it?
00:34:39
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For me, a big part of the house of CE5 is meditation. And they play this long guided meditation. And I try stuff like this, just try and relax at home, partner in this type of stuff. And I just can't do it.
00:34:58
Speaker
I can't just sit and listen to someone telling me to breathe and think about this stuff. And I just physically, I just cannot, cannot do it. Um, so I tried, tried doing it. It's just not so I can do. Um, and that's about, I don't know, nearly half an hour of listening to someone talking. Have you tried meditation without it being guided? I haven't.
00:35:27
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No. Okay. Because that may be easier. Again, it's really fucking difficult to try and switch your brain off and let it and not have it wander. But sometimes you just I think you just kind of have to let it wander and see where it goes sometimes. The difficulty we had is we're in the middle of this forest.
00:35:46
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and there was loads of weird noises. It was a beautiful, clear night. We got picked the perfect night for it. Yeah, I cannot tell you. We looked up where we were sat and it was just stars everywhere. It was, it was incredible. Yeah. And I looked round and I saw this fucking glow through the forest, through the woods. And I was thinking, shit.
00:36:09
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I pointed out to Danny and so the others were doing the meditation and for some reason I got my eyes open at one point and there's me and Danny I was like I can't see stuff and Danny's like there's stuff and I was trying to do this meditation but there was all this stuff going on there was some there was some weird stuff
00:36:33
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inconclusive stuff, I would say. It'd be interesting to see what the video shows because some things did happen. I won't spoil it, but there was some things happen. Could have been normal stuff. I don't know. But the whole sort of ambiance of the bin in the forest at night, um,
00:37:01
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on the prowl for UFOs. One thing I probably will say, because I don't think this would be on any of the cameras somewhere, I saw it. I didn't even say it at first. I wasn't sure. I mean, just think, have I just saw that happen? But behind Greg's, we were sat in like a diamond shape. Yeah. So I'm sat facing Greg, probably about 10 feet apart.
00:37:25
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It's dark. I've got some lights on the cameras but apart from that it's pretty dark. I saw something white like a white figure or shadow just run from the forest behind Greg and like cross the path behind him like a white proper figure and just
00:37:44
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Behind Greg it was a forest, a path and then a bit of open land and it ran from the forest behind Greg and into the open land but then it didn't make it to the land. It kind of just went from one side of Greg but then didn't come out the other side from where I could see. It had something run across the path.
00:38:05
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I don't think that would be in the episodes. That's one weird thing that I can say I guess. So did you find out what the glow was Greg? Yeah it was the moon. I won't lie.
00:38:25
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I was thinking, what the fuck is that? Honestly, I was looking up. I was like, I kept looking around it. I was thinking, it's still there. And we were doing this, like we were sat there in this like diamond shape in our chairs. Like I said, we had the lights pointing down into us. You were in chairs. You weren't sat cross legged on the floor, communing with nature.
00:38:47
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No, no. Sorry, go on. As much as I wanted to be. Yeah, no, I kept seeing that. I kept seeing how I think if, what the hell is this? And I even pointed out to Danny, it's like, I think that's the moon. Just tell me that's the moon. So
00:39:10
Speaker
But that was just a small part of it. It was a good day. Like I said, we learnt lots of behind the scenes stuff and B-roll and loads of trips of us walking up a path, trying not to look at a camera and walking past a drone without looking at it.
Filming Challenges
00:39:33
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Well, it's at head height and... That is the hardest bit. I don't know if I've ever told you this before, but before, years ago, I'm a teacher now, but I used to be an actress. And so I've been in films, bits and bobs of films and bits and bobs of TV programmes, but mainly I did theatre.
00:40:02
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but when you're doing film and TV it's so hard not to look at the camera because there's this thing in your head that's going look at the camera, look at the camera and then you kind of take a glance and some director shouts
00:40:19
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tell her to stop looking at the camera." I thought, oh damn, I didn't mean to look at the camera. It's really hard not to because you kind of have this inner urge to do it because you know you're not meant to. I think I looked at the drone as we walked past. At one point I was thinking, fuck, I just looked at the drone.
00:40:36
Speaker
And it's like, walk naturally. He's like, now you've said it, how can I do it? I'm now thinking, how do I not walk? How do I normally walk? I can't think about it usually. How do I normally walk? Do I swing my arms? Do I walk, you know? Oh, I don't want to look stupid. So I mustn't do that thing where I lean forward all the time. So I'm going to put my hips forward and lean back and swing my arms. And then you end up just looking like a complete twat.
00:41:03
Speaker
So talking about looking like a complete twat. So I rocked up a little bit late and I literally turned up, found everybody and Dan is like, your interview now, I did literally been about five seconds, no word of a lie. He's like, right, your turn. So I didn't even, there was no prep for me. I just obviously, consummate professional, I just rocked up and done my thing.
00:41:31
Speaker
But yeah, we did have some weird stuff. We did a spirit box right at the end. So it'd be interesting to see what Danny caught on that. We started off with some Estus. We did an Estus before we did the CE5 to kind of get into it and kind of set the mood a little bit. Yeah, that was a big part of the film and with the Estus method. We'd done it in a couple of different locations.
00:41:58
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and the last the last one we did right at the end to wrap up we i was listening it was my turn and i had these particular headphones on i think and um i kept getting loads of like interference like proper electrical interference not that
00:42:22
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sound it was like proper electronic interference in my head and i kept saying it it must be on camera that i could just hear like a almost like a squelchy kind of squelchy kind of thing i don't i don't know but i could hear it and it just kept happening all the time and um
00:42:49
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Yeah, that was a bit interesting to see, because at one point, I think something was captured on camera. 43 minutes. Okay, that's all right. I'll just edit that now. So yeah, I done my bit.
00:43:12
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and i think there was some stuff called camera i don't know haven't seen it i haven't seen any footage from that night from danny i had a gopro on so i wore a gopro on my head for a lot of the guided meditation and ce5 so it'd be interesting to see what come out of that footage um so yeah yeah it was it was a fun night a fun day and um
00:43:37
Speaker
thoroughly enjoyed it and I think this episode, this paranormal roundtable's going out today, once I edit out after this recording, and I think our episode might be going out next week, I think. I'm just waiting for Danny to tell. I did message him the other day to see when it was going out, so I may, really sorry, I've been really...
00:43:58
Speaker
some people on the most haunted group said that there were two episodes of the paranormal investigator dropping within the next 24 hours or something oh okay maybe it is this week then one drop today oh no one drops on thursday it's not that not our one and then there's another one which will be our one and i don't know when it's coming out but yeah we'll obviously be spamming it don't worry about that yeah you'll know about it when we know about it
00:44:28
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That will be on the panormalinvestigator.vhx.tv. I think it's like £1 an episode to watch for that one. The big question is, would you attempt CE5 again? Yeah, I would. I'd love to have a go. I would like to do it when everything else that was going on around us wasn't going on around us. I was aware that we were trying to do all this stuff and
00:44:58
Speaker
I was fully aware of these bright lights in the middle of a forest. So it would be good to just get a chair. I bought a chair specifically for it, like a reclining sort of camping chair, with some headphones on and just sit there out in the field somewhere. It would be good to try that without the kind of, not pressure, there was no pressure that night, but the kind of, I don't know,
00:45:26
Speaker
production side of things. Yeah, it was about having to be aware that other stuff was going on as well. Yeah. It would be nice just to sit in the dark and give it a go properly. I felt like I couldn't really absorb myself into the guided meditation. What if what happened happened in a different place? It'd be hard to think, but yeah, you had to wait until it comes out to
00:45:53
Speaker
Did you use lasers? I see that. No. Some people do. We didn't. We didn't. Some people have him. I'm always not sure because like, if you like shine on a plane or something, you can find out where you were and find out who it was and all this stuff. It's like endangered aircraft, all this stuff. I'm not going anywhere near these laser pointers. But yeah, if the thing that happened
00:46:20
Speaker
is on there, which I'm pretty sure it will be, which I'm not going to tell you guys you have to watch it. That was an interesting part of the night for definite. If that's not too vague for you. Well, I understand that we have to wait and see.
00:46:43
Speaker
but I'd love to do that. I've started doing meditations actually, but I am slightly naughty because I don't have the time to do it during the day. I just literally don't have the time. So I do it sometimes usually when I go to bed because I find it hard to switch off. I usually listen to a podcast on my earphones at night when I go to bed.
00:47:11
Speaker
Um, but sometimes I do a meditation, which I know is not the time you meant to do it. Um, but I find it really relaxing. Um, and I, I don't know. Uh, there's, there's two different ones that I do. One is, um, a meditation to open your third eye. Um, and one.
00:47:33
Speaker
There's a joke in there. It's indigo, by the way. And there's another one where it's a meditation to connect with extraterrestrials or something. But it's just really interesting. It's really... I don't know if it would ever work or not, but definitely interesting.
00:47:57
Speaker
I used to do it almost daily until we went on holiday early this year and then I stopped doing it. But since going to the festival of the unexplained, I've picked it up again and I've had some very fucking odd experiences while meditating. Now again, it could be my subconscious and my brain drifting off into places. Why did you just wait until 48 minutes into the episode to start dropping stuff like that?
00:48:26
Speaker
because this is the natural flow of the conversation. What would you like to know, Greg? No, well, no, I think we're a bit late, a bit deep into it now. We're going to have to revisit this, I think. I don't mind. I'll tell you, like, if you ask me questions about it, I'll tell you, I've not really got any airs and graces. No, I was just thinking, because we've got other agenda items we were going to talk about,
00:48:47
Speaker
Well, we don't need to. The other agenda item is films, right? And although it would be full circle for you not seeing the bloody shining, we can just talk about meditation experiences and the whole spiritual side of the paradigm. Right, go for it. Yep. So tell us a little bit about it. So I first started doing guided meds. This is entirely to try and get better intuitively as well, right? And be better when I've given readings to people.
00:49:17
Speaker
Um, and initially I started with guided meditation, which was really good. That is a, that's a woman called Lauren Robertson who wrote a book about mediumship and she's got a free guided meditation, which is really good. And it's all about like, go for a brick, big oak door. And then you walk into a forest and one of your loved ones comes up to a gate and you basically sit on a bench and have a chat with them for a bit and visualize them. That's quite interesting. Um,
00:49:49
Speaker
Yeah, it's tough to talk about, man, because I feel like a fucking nutter with some of the stuff that comes out of my mouth after I've meditated and been like, Oh, in fact, I said this to Michaela at Festival of the Unexplained. I went for a, and sorry if this is all over the place, but I went for a reading once and the
00:50:06
Speaker
reader was like one of your spirit guides is Native American which is cliche as fuck and immediately I was like I'm pretty sure it's not but from then doing meditation and trying to do work into figuring out my spirit guides whether I believe in that or not I don't know one of them seems like an elderly paganistic Germanic lady I don't know why but I've always had a weird affinity with Germany
00:50:33
Speaker
just really like it, really like it as a country. There was a couple of others as well. But yeah, one of the most profound experiences was my, it was a Sunday morning and I don't know why I wanted to connect with sort of my great-grandmother who passed away five years ago or something. And it was just a passing thought of I wonder,
00:51:01
Speaker
I wonder if I can sort of pull her in. Whatever. And bam, it was there. And I was like, Oh, okay. Hiya. How you doing? You and Grad had a good call and then started uncontrollably crying from doing it with like my eyes closed. And it was just like, where the fuck's this coming from? Cause yeah, I cry probably like once a year if that.
00:51:27
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And that was, that was weird for it to again, could entirely be my, my subconscious or something within my brain that's doing it. But for that to happen and it to be like that overcome of emotion that I'm there.
00:51:44
Speaker
I can blub my eyes out at nine o'clock on a Sunday morning in the spare room.
Mike's Meditation Experience
00:51:48
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It's a bit late. We've all been there, Mike. Most of the time it's after people have had a heavy night and they're like, why do I do this? So I've got a question about that then. You said you had your eyes closed. So did it happen whilst you had your eyes closed? So you could sort of see it.
00:52:08
Speaker
Yes. In the mind's eye. Yeah, yeah, the third eye is, um, Michaela spoke about the third eye chakra, which is quite correct, purple. Um, but yeah, eyes closed and welling up. And I think to the point that I had to like open them to essentially let, let the tears out. Yeah, it was weird. So did you see things or hear things or was it just like a knowing? It's just like a knowing. It was just like,
00:52:39
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knowing that I guess wherever wherever she is she's happy and she's reunited reunited with granddad and everything's fine on that side of things you know I mean because I know it's not necessarily that the family will be worried about her but it was just one of those nice de-knowing things and yeah like yeah weird any more questions
00:53:09
Speaker
Yes, I want to book in for a reading, please. We can certainly do that. One of the other interesting things somewhat recently, so in terms of spirit guides.
00:53:22
Speaker
I think there is approximately four that I've managed, and it'd stop me if I sound like an absolute fucking nutter at any point, please. But I think there's approximately four that I've sort of managed to connect to and be like, these are essentially different representations of traits that would build up a human being. So like the Germanic, Germanic elderly lady, or paganistic ladies very about, um,
00:53:52
Speaker
very attuned with nature being a pagan that makes sense but very attuned with nature and very much about like I wouldn't say pride but like stubbornness is probably the wrong word but you know I mean like being forthright and sticking to your guns and since I started actively pursuing the mediumship side of things I kept getting occasionally very early on throughout the time a
00:54:19
Speaker
vivid image of a bald gent with quite a circular head and quite a tight ginger beard and it just kept popping up and i was like okay whatever potentially it's someone popping in to try and contact me or whatever i don't know and then since getting back from festival the unexplained doing meditation he pops up again i'm like oh hi how can i help like
00:54:43
Speaker
Well, would you like, are you connected to someone? Would you want something? It was very vague as to what I was, the information I was giving and I was all getting and I was like, okay, cool. And then the next meditation session, he was associated with the other people who I, or the other entities I identify as spirit guides. And I was like, right, this is why you can't give me answers as to who you're connected to or why you're here.
00:55:13
Speaker
because apparently in my mind, his name's Dave and he's a big, big, strong, tough guy. And he's like the embodiment of strength and mental fortitude and stuff like that. And it's like, right now this makes sense. Again, stop me if I sound like a nutter or if this sounds like utter bullshit, because it does to me sometimes. And I'm just like, what the fuck? I think, um,
00:55:42
Speaker
Yeah like have more I think you know obviously what you're getting.
00:55:49
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And I think you know yourself well enough to go with whatever it is that's going through about worrying about what other people think about and go with that gut instinct. So that's what it's telling you by the sounds of it. It's a real tough one because where I'm so skeptical about stuff still, a lot of it still doesn't add up to the logical part of my brain and I'm like, well,
00:56:14
Speaker
this all sounds like weird woo craziness, but I can only sort of speak on what what my experiences are. One of the weird what weird-ish ones a while back was I was um, I can hardly remember how I got onto it but I started sort of questioning the the sort of the initial existence of man and immediately I was shown sort of pantheons and acropolises and Greek structures and my brain immediately went
00:56:45
Speaker
Yeah, but that's not true because there was, there was civilization before the Greeks, right? And the reply of wherever it came from was very matter of fact and was, nope, this is it. It was almost if there wasn't any arguing with it, this is it, this is what we're showing you, this is how it is. Okay, cool, thanks. But did you get a sense that they were just saying,
00:57:13
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This is what we're showing you rather than this is what came first. So they were just saying, we're showing you this.
00:57:21
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not interested in showing you anything else it's purely this rather than what came before or potentially yeah i don't know it was it was what was what was being shown to me and i was like okay well that's like the the start of the the spiritual start of consciousness maybe or consciousness as we know it i don't know it was it's one of those weird things and there's been a couple of times where my brain all sort of question what's been shown to me and the answer is almost always very stern and very this is the way it is
00:57:52
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there's no discussion about it it's just here's what it is okay cool stop questioning it sort of thing yeah very bizarre again
00:58:02
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Do you write these things down? Have you got like making a diary of things? Yeah, I started one ages ago when I started doing it and I haven't for months because obviously I haven't meditated for months where I said I sort of stopped it after a holiday way back in May or whatever and I've just started doing it again. I haven't written in my book. I've made a note on my phone the other day about when Dave popped up. Or David, should we say, as we'll affectionately call him.
00:58:32
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But yeah, I've got like a short form of journal from, from stuff way back.
Michaela's Strange Festival Experience
00:58:40
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And a lot of it was when I was sort of initially starting to discover spirit guides and then how they would appear to me and like an associated name and what they represent sort of thing. Sounds like bollocks, doesn't it?
00:58:53
Speaker
Well, it doesn't. But maybe we could put it on the agenda for next time because I've actually probably told you my story, but because I have a memory like a goldfish. So I'll have to run it by you before I start boring everyone with it next time. But I've had a few things to do with
00:59:20
Speaker
kind of mediumship and something strange happened to me at the festival of the unexplained and it's probably a coincidence but the second thing really took me aback it's really short so I was sat there watching Dave Schrader do his talk listening
00:59:38
Speaker
And the first one I put down to a coincidence. So I was sat there. And because I really liked him, I was thinking, and because he's quite, he doesn't take any bullshit. So I sat there thinking, what's a really good kind of witty, sensible, you know, question to ask him. So I was thinking, and I can't remember what the questions were now, which is kind of irrelevant.
01:00:05
Speaker
And I thought of this question. I was like, yeah, right. It doesn't make me sound like a twat. I sound quite, you know, intellectual and knowledgeable if I ask this question. I'm going to ask him this question. So I put my hand up and I think it was Rachel pointed to a woman nearby and went, what would you like to ask? This woman literally came out with the question that I had in my head. And I was like, oh, shit.
01:00:34
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That was my really good question. Now, you could say that maybe the, you know, the tone of the conversation had been moving that way, maybe a few people, you know, it was triggered in people's minds that, you know, okay,
01:00:53
Speaker
And then Rachel came back to me and went, what was your question, Mackay? And I went, oh, well, that lady there just asked my question. He answered it very well, though. Anyway, so then they carried on talking about something. And I was listening really hard and thinking, because I love asking questions. And if I don't get to ask my question, I start thinking,
01:01:15
Speaker
What other question can I ask? Because I really want to ask a meaningful question that's going to be really good, and everyone's going to go, oh, that's a really good question. So my brain was ticking over while I was listening to him. And I thought,
01:01:31
Speaker
this is a good question. Nothing to do with anything anybody's talking about. That's a brilliant question. And they asked a woman next to me on my right hand side and didn't she fucking just ask that question? And I was sat there and I literally went,
01:01:49
Speaker
out loud because I was like, no, that's now the second person that has asked the exact question that I was just about to ask. So then I started, there wasn't time for it to happen a third time, which is always they can, you know, the magic three. And then I was sat going, was I picking up their questions in my head?
01:02:12
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Maybe. Like a shared consciousness sort of thing. Yeah. Or was it just a massive coincidence? But they were both literally not kind of usual banal questions that somebody might ask. They were quite highbrow, even though I say so myself. But when the second person asked, I was like, you are joking me. And then I started to think, well, maybe I have got some abilities after all, because you do start to think,
01:02:42
Speaker
Well, that's just weird. So maybe we could do that next time. Oh, touch on that. Do, do what exactly I've kind of exhausted all my stories about meditating. I'll tell you all about my story. That'd be great. Cause I was told
01:03:01
Speaker
I'm not going to go into it now because it's too late but I was told once that I would have some sort of clairvoyant abilities later in life and I've been kind of waiting for that moment. Things have happened but deep down I don't think that I
01:03:23
Speaker
have them and I'm kind of constantly waiting for it to happen. And I've been told several times that it's not my time yet. And I'm thinking, oh, does that mean I'm going to live longer? That's good. Yay. But so, yeah, I'll tell you the whole story next time. And then that, that in itself of waiting for a sign rather than actively going, maybe I can do this and pursuing that. Is that not something that's keeping you waiting?
01:03:52
Speaker
Maybe, but I did ask another medium in the last two years and she told me that it wasn't my time yet. Interesting. And that I had to wait until I was older. So if I tell you that it is your time. Then I'll go, I don't know what to do.
01:04:17
Speaker
have you ever just just around us off when you've been on an investigation at all have you ever had the the feeling where you can walk into a building or walk into a room and get a and this is fucking so cliche and probably very open to people's interpretation but you had the feeling where you can walk into a room or something and get a vibe or a feeling about that room like feeling like headed or feeling sick
01:04:41
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Oh yeah loads of times but I do it all the time in my everyday life and I have actually questioned whether the fact that I feel kind of vaguely ill 80% of the time
01:04:55
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whether it might not just be my hypochondria, is it things that I'm picking up the whole time? And that's a whole other kind of thing to get into, but it does make me wonder sometime. It does make me wonder.
01:05:12
Speaker
I might, but then am I just being airy fairy and going, oh, you know, maybe I have abilities and it's just all affecting me? Or am I just being a twat and wishing that it was to make me more interesting? I don't know. I just absolutely honestly don't know.
01:05:32
Speaker
Yeah, and that's I do feel stuff. I do feel that's That's my exact opinion of it what i'm like. Am I and what I pick i'm picking up. Is it legit or am I just? Putting two and two together making five and going i'm some twat who thinks he's got some sort of ability and goes oh, you know It's fucking oh, I feel sick in this room because there's a pretty cognition there or something like that, you know Who fucking knows
01:05:58
Speaker
So I've got some of the one I mentioned, some of what you've really just been thinking about when you talk about the meditation stuff. One way that I regularly have to do to try and get to sleep is green noise or thunder lightning, stuff like that on signals by fire and that helps me get it. But when I'm
01:06:18
Speaker
on that course with being awake and being asleep. I regularly just start talking gibberish. I just say like a full sentence out loud. I know this is something everyone does if it's just something that's normal. It's just so that all your brain doing something as it starts to wind down. So the part is like, go to sleep. What are you saying? And it would just be completely random, unrelated sentences. It would be like,
01:06:46
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John, why don't you sit on the chair? It'll just be a random sentence. Why is that window open? There's no window open. It's just like really just random words and this is a door I have no bearing. I don't know where it's coming from. It's just words that melt in my mouth. I don't know if I have to start writing down and see if there's any...
01:07:03
Speaker
correlation from sentences to sentences. You can get apps that record you while you sleep and it'll pick up stuff like that and record it and then you can play it back in the morning and go, what the fuck was I on about? I do it as well and I've had short conversations with Patsy while I'm asleep. And to round this off, a very fucking harrowing story was not long after we moved into this flat and apparently I
01:07:31
Speaker
woke up one night and was sort of pointing at one of the top corners of the room saying something to the effective like what's she doing here i don't want to hear get her out get rid of her what's she doing here and to the point that it really really freaked prancy out
01:07:48
Speaker
I then, for one effect, came to and actually woke up and realised what was going on and Patsy's there pretty much having a panic attack going, what the fuck, what the fuck? And I'm like, what's wrong, what's happened? No consciousness at all that I'm the one that's caused it by freaking out and going, what's she doing here? And pointing at a random corner in the room and I don't like her, get rid of her. Yeah. Interesting.
01:08:17
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interesting interesting well i think that right about wraps it up for this month's paranormal round table i might create a persona tv persona you're listening to ash l from the pursuit of the paranormal
01:08:39
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