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Episode 33 - Spooky Travels to Houston, TX and Ouijamania
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Nym takes us through her spooky travels to Houston, TX and Nylene gives us a teaser story to lead up to her next one - all about Ouija-mania.
Enter the Nightmare for show notes, transcripts, sources and more!
Music by Nine Inch Nails - Creative Common
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Introduction to 'Nightmare Cottage'
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Welcome to Nim and Nyleen's Nightmare Cottage, where we explore history, mysteries, and other tales of the macabre. I'm Nim. And I'm Nyleen. Let the nightmare begin.
Holiday Chaos and Festive Preparations
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disturbing and mature content to follow Everything seems very chaotic right now. Yeah, I mean, it's right before the holidays, I feel like. And I don't know, they come around every year, but I always forget they're coming. to work I'm just so tired of that phrase being uttered at me all the time.
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Yeah. And yes, I may be guilty every once in while of uttering something similar, but I'm just like, I'm real tired, but I'm putting up Christmas lights early.
Creative Skeleton-themed Christmas Ideas
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i don't know if you started, you saw what I've started putting up.
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I saw the stuff you're doing in the hallway. It looks very cool. Yes. Well, we're starting. Yeah. It's very early. There's so much that needs to be. I see the vision. I'm excited to see it come together. told Monkey that we always put the lights on the house on Thanksgiving, but I still need to come up with an idea Because I'm still going to do a skeleton display in the front and I have no idea what i'm going to do yet.
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I like last year we did the really cute thing where ah we had a skeleton Justice Santa hanging from the roof, like from some Christmas lights with his bag of gifts or whatever hanging from him. And that was just, it was super simple, but cute. And yeah,
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Like, I don't know. Every, I i cannot, my brain is not wrapping itself around. i do think it would be funny if you got a small sleigh at like, like a tiny one for like, that'll fit one of the small skeletons and like the medium sized skeletons, whatever, and put it like on the roof or hanging off the roof in the sleigh with his little, you know, hat or bag, or he's just like, ah, like half falling out of the sleigh or something because it being smaller would be good for perspective. yeah that'd be cute and then maybe have like the elves or a bunch of presents on the ground underneath him and zombies looting them or something these are all ideas yes these are all not zombies but you know what i mean other skeletons right coming out gro like i did have a i did piรฑata santa piรฑata sorry
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No, that's a thought. Like hitting the... Hitting Santa wrapped in lights as a pinata. Yeah. Yeah, that could be something. Okay. Okay.
Listener Engagement and Social Media Efforts
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Well, now it's recorded too, so you don't even have to write it down. Yeah, the creative juices are flowing. This is good. Also, even if one listens to this well outside of the holiday season, if you hear this you have ideas for skeleton displays for holiday, Christmassy kind of stuff, nightmarecottage at gmail.com, I will take any and all suggestions. And if you have pictures of stuff you've done, I'm really trying to find the posts to restart my, restart our social media.
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i just, I just, I feel like I need something. So if you have something cool, I'll tag you. I'll call you out something. um We also have turned on commenting, I believe on our, on our episodes. Oh, cool. Yeah. So, and I know it's on Spotify and yes, on YouTube now.
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Yes. And in my blog. And in her blog. Yeah. So there's a lot of areas to comment now if you just want non-committedly comment on stuff. You can.
Early Christmas Decorations: Societal Norms vs. Personal Happiness
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So I know that we said we've been really busy and tired. I'm sure you feel the same way. um Holidays can be so dreamy. And so can the planet. But so also, i don't know.
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I'm just looking forward to Christmas lights. Yes, me too. I've actually, I've had a few different of our friend group reach out to me saying that they feel like they want to decorate now, but feel like it's too early.
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and yeah no i said f it i'm just doing it if it makes you happy yeah all i ask from the whole world is that you wait until after halloween and on november 1st you can be jack's the skellington coming out and turning into santa claus you know it's fine you can do it as soon as november 1st i don't care it does not hurt me it hurts me if it happens before halloween No, you know what hurts me? That one song. That one Christmas song. If you work in retail, you know which song I'm talking about. The one that comes on right right before Thanksgiving and it just starts all of the
Whamageddon and Retail Holiday Experiences
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chaos. Are we talking about... Oh, no, we're not. You're you're probably talking about Madam Carrie.
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Yes. I was thinking of Whamageddon. Whamageddon? Okay, so the song Last Christmas by Wham. Oh, last... w which is Wham, which is George Michael. I know who, yeah, I know who Wham is, but like. Okay, so you're not familiar with this.
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I'm sure I am and just never realized it. You can cut this part, the part of that we play. ah We're going to play it off off the off the, I hate even searching for it because now it's going to be in my searches. Yeah, but we we'll come back, but you listen to it on your own time because we can't put it on here. Otherwise, you know, things will get removed.
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So BRB.
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song okay here's my history we're back we're back okay yes so here's my history with this song is i worked for a toy store for six years and during the holidays we would always get our christmas music on our music system on halloween on halloween every year without bill we get it and the our loop was one hour and i worked full time so every hour 40 hours a week i would hear Whatever songs they put on it, but every year this last Christmas, it was the first time I'd ever heard this song somehow. It it had escaped me forever. i fucking hated it because it was so whiny.
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And it was like, I was not, I mean, I was a teenager working at a toy store. I i was, anyways, I feel like anything would sound whiny.
Least Favorite Holiday Songs Discussion
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me after like specifically that one every year i hated it and then i learned about a thing a few years ago called wham again that the longer you go like like you have to try to last as long as you can without hearing that song during the christmas season and and as soon as you hear it you've been wham and this year because you know i decorate several arcades for the holidays well you know as part of my job yeah uh
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my boss It's my boss's favorite Christmas song. Oh my gosh. And so I lost Wimageddon on like November 5th or something stupid. Do they know?
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Oh yes. That you feel so strong. in In fact I was outside decorating um the the banisters on the on the deck and When it was on and my boss came outside, he's like, okay, i just wanted to make sure you could hear it out here because I know you love this song. So now it's it's a whole thing. so Because it is my least favorite Christmas song of all time and his favorite Christmas song of all time. It's it's a thing now. yeah Mine was, I mean, i mine is a very similar story working in retail and restaurants. But mine was the Mariah Carey. Yeah.
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Oh, yeah. All I want for Christmas. And it's just like, it's just, you you just want to just scoop your ear holes out. Wait, shove something in them. I don't know. Make it stop after a while.
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Yes. Whatever other trauma you can put on your ears, that'll make you avoid that. Um, I actually don't mind it so much, ah but you know, that's how that goes. I will actually say that, um,
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I probably actually have a ah less fair Christmas song and it's another eighties situation where, and I don't remember the name, like the specific name of it, but it's one of those where all of the eighties pop stars came together and did like one of those charity songs or whatever, like a heal the world, but it was a Christmas one. It's, uh, uh, do they know it's Christmas?
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And it sounds so horrible because, Like, I understand what they're trying to do, but one of the the lines in it is, tonight, thank God it's them instead of you.
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About people who don't know. There might be snow. There there won't be snow in Africa this Christmas time. It's like this whole, it's like, it's such a tone deaf, like, be grateful for what you have, but also, like,
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It's like, well, yeah, I mean, they don't have a Cadillac. You do. And it's like, dude, they don't have running water. like So I fucking hate that song. Like, you know, I'm i'm actually not. you would You would think that with my years in retail, I would absolutely have horror Christmas and and holiday stuff and especially holiday music. I don't. i actually do still love Christmas music.
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But that song and Last Christmas can kiss my ass.
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ah Happy holidays, everybody. What are your favorite and least favorite holidays songs? Please write us at nightmarecottage at gmail.com. Yes. While I'm raising my child, ah give me a a new song to torture his ears with Christmas every year. as he needs his own version of this.
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ah So I guess this episode will
Spooky Road Trip to Houston
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be coming out right before Thanksgiving. So I guess we're not too early on the holiday stuff.
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All right. So we mentioned we were busy. Ace a show for us last week. Thanks for putting up with us because we just, oh my gosh, we we were tired. But one of the reasons was because Nim ah went on a on a little little road trip. Yeah, yeah, we always do an anniversary trip, me and Monkey. We don't like to triangulate ourselves, but I know it's pretty obvious we live in the South at this point. So we decided that due to all of the craziness in the world, that instead of getting on a plane right now, a road trip might be better.
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So we took a low-key, low-stress trip down to Houston. But yeah, so I'm actually going to make... my story kind of about that. This is, it's a little bit different than how I normally do it, but it's kind of a thing I've envisioned for the cottage since the beginning is talking about traveling to, you know, spooky travels, dark tourism, that kind of thing.
Haunted Houston: La Carafe and Beyond
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That was kind of part of that original tagline of, you know dark locations and sinister media and all that. So today I'm going to cover one of my spooky travels and that is this trip to Houston. Okay. You know that anytime I travel, I try to squeeze in a local cemetery, any spooky leaning attractions, museums, businesses, just really anything, anything my vibe that I can find. I try to. And it's funny because with Houston, I wouldn't necessarily peg that as like. Exactly. Yeah. Spooky locations, but outside of like, you know, the the war era stuff. Well, I mean, there's a lot of Texas history with war in that area. That is not the topic of our show today. So no, to get yeah and that's what I mean. Like, that's, that's the type of like dark history that I would usually expect. But yeah, that's, I mean, that's not what you were seeing. No, no, that's, ah well, a couple of things to keep in mind. This is also Bayou area that is not entirely unsimilar to New Orleans. Especially now we had a lot of transplants after Hurricane Katrina and stuff. and So there's a lot of that culture that has kind of migrated. and But I mean, I've been to Houston a ton of times, but I've never actually gone looking for the spooky stuff. ah Except for when you and I went a few years ago, and I'm actually going to talk about that here in a minute. Yeah. Yeah.
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So yeah, I'm just I'm gonna go over a few different places and little bit of detail. and then I'm going to focus on two places in particular. um And it's just going to be about I visited a lot of these places, some of them I didn't, I wanted to kind of give ah a well rounded idea of spooky things you can do in the area. Okay.
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So we're going to start with a couple of places for libations and noms. La Carafe is located at 813 Congress Street in the oldest building in the city that has had continuous use. It's also the longest continually functioning bar in the city.
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It started as the Kennedy Bakery in 1860. And over the next century, it would become a trading post, a hair salon, and a drugstore before becoming La Carafe, which is a Southern Gothic bar with New Orleans charm.
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Oh, so it's, yeah, it's had quite an evolution. So it's like the same building, just like the guts have changed over the years. Right. And it's, it's stayed in constant operation since it was first opened.
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Aside from having stellar, historically spooky vibes, it's also said to be haunted. Ooh. Staff and patrons have reported hearing creepy kids laughing upstairs. no Wait, why are there kids upstairs? um I'm going to assume it has something to do with the bakery, but I didn't find the sort history. of The witches were baking children. yeah Of course. Yes, that is exactly what it is.
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There's an angry woman that tries to push people down the stairs. good Yes, as you do. As you do. a ghost yeah There's a long gone bartender that will occasionally call last call. Randomly breaking glassware and abrupt changes to what's playing on the jukebox. Apparently seances are regularly held on the second floor.
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I don't know. I feel like electrical things are so finicky. Yes. Like I feel like you, I don't know. That kind of evidence to me is like, that could be anything.
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yes yes i agree so for food so this place isn't exactly spooky but wait did you say there's seances that are held are they real seances or is it like a seance show that sounds no no they're private seances yeah but they're apparently done frequently i wonder how they like do they contract out their psychic you know what i mean like on thursdays it's glenda on wednesdays it's Nothing Marie, nothing I found online indicated that I think that it might just be like the owners or somebody who who knows the owners or something. Okay. Yeah.
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um So not exactly spooky, but kind of magical vibes can be found at the Hobbit Cafe. This is a small house like restaurant with lots of cool old art from over the years of Lord of the Rings fandom. It had gorgeous wood engravings from the 70s, art prints from legendary artist Brian Froud, and lots, lots more.
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This place has been open since 1972 and started with only vegetarian options. oh It has expanded its menu over the decades. Nice. They have a pretty varied menu of for food and drinks. You can do flights of mead, which is cool. So, you know,
Exploring Witchy Stores in Houston
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they have several different types of mead and and you can get like.
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Remind me what makes mead mead as opposed to like. It's honey wine. Like fermented honey. Right. yeah What? yeah I didn't know you could ferment honey. That's cool.
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So that's mead. So it's a sweeter kind of wine, which is not really my bag, but it is monkeys. So I had a couple of sips of his and it was some good stuff. But the servings there are gargantuan and I recommend splitting. So I ordered this sandwich and it it sounded great and everything. they're like, do you want the slim or like the regular one? i was like, I definitely want the slim because, you know, whatever. i shit you not. I had two bites of this thing and I was fucking full. they It was like bigger than my head. That was the slim version. Yeah.
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Yeah, everything, like the serving sizes were just absurd. But the food was yummy. So for spooky shopping, i didn't actually find any horror-based shops of any kind. So please tell me if I missed anything, if any of you know of horror-centric shops in Houston.
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But there is a good number of witchy shops. I'm going to specifically call out Magic Cauldron. This is one of the first places i actually bought witchy stuff from online, like forever ago. Like at the beginning of online shopping, I remember like ordering stuff from there. In the before times. In the before times. Yeah. To me, this is the place for witchy shit and other things you would typically find in a metaphysical shop. I didn't get to visit Thorn and Moon Apothecary, but I've heard that it is also excellent. But there's a ton, like seriously dozens of these shops in and around Houston. If you find yourself in the area, you will likely run into at least one. But Houston is massive. It's a driving city. It is not one you can like walk from oh yeah shop and and do that. kind Everything is spread out. feel like that's Texas for you though. It is. It very much is.
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Also on the shopping front, i' not spooky, but kind of nerdy, which I think is a little bit our vibe anyways. We also went to Nan's Games and Comics. Nice. They had a very solid board game selection.
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um Another thing Monkey and I do on our trips is find a local board game shop and get something to play in our room. Yeah, I love that. Yeah. And for those who care, there's also they also have like a lot of comics and collectibles and stuff as well, like most of those shops do. But like seriously, like very, very solid board game collection.
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Yeah, no, um they are a little bit obsessed with games. they They have an entire room that is like... Oh, yes. They have a room filled with with with like...
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Just games. Wall to ceiling. Yeah, we have. It's the floor to ceiling. we've We've lined the the walls with bookcases and those bookcases are stocked completely full of board games and books and other. Yeah. Collectively kind of art. It is our our nerd storage. All right. So we already said I don't believe in ghosts. But I do enjoy stories of hauntings, obviously.
Overview of Haunted Places in Houston
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i'm like the epitome of the I want to believe. Just show me. Yeah. But it's interesting to hear what people experience and then and then kind of ponder what possible explanations there are. Yes.
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I didn't visit any of these places, but since we're talking about Houston, I figured Houston and tourism, we need to talk about some of the haunted plate the most haunted places in the city. Okay. Yeah. First up, the Julia Idison building, which is it was the first main library in Houston before they started adding more onto it. It's now the Houston Library's Historical Research Center and is said to be haunted by the building's old caretaker, Jacob Frank Kramer.
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Some claim to hear him playing his violin from time to time or to hear his dog running around. wow what a horrible librarian who's like if you're a librarian you should be keeping people quiet he was the caretaker of building not the librarian i'm sorry i'm sorry i figured the the caretaker would be the librarian at the time yeah not not in this case julia idison was actually the librarian at that time okay yeah i'm glad i got it quick question is it good violin playing or bad violin playing because like that would suck if you were like a ghost and And like you were still practicing violin like that was like your doomed eternity just practicing violin and you're just really bad at it. And you never get any better. No. but she Oh my god that would be me that would be me in like purgatory or whatever.
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just like ah like having to practice things I suck at. ah god you can't tune it or anything yeah and and just and just to be destined to like suck at it like to never improve jesus talk about my nightmare okay sorry anyway so when i was looking for what the most haunted places in houston were i honestly the thing i did not expect to see was spaghetti warehouse what yeah so it because you're like not any around anymore it's like a historical building no but that's I'd buy it. Now this building was originally built in 1912 as a food warehouse. Haunted nudes.
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Noodles. I get it. nu Okay. ok So it was originally a food warehouse. Later on it was came a pharmacy and then man, all these places.
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Yeah. The haunted places are pharmacies. Maybe it's the people whose prescriptions. It was the people whose prescriptions were filled that are haunting these places. Or weren't filled because they couldn't afford it because the fucking healthcare system sucks. There you go. And so they they came back to haunt the pharmacist and the pharmacist wasn't there. So now they just haunt the building.
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There's something there. There's something there. There's some credibility. But yeah, so in 1974 is when it became Spaghetti Warehouse. But the story goes that one of the pharmacists, when it was a pharmacy, fell down an elevator shaft in the house.
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So his grieving wife died within the same year. People say the couple haunts the building still with claims of levitating objects and strange activity on the upper floor. Staff have reported someone calling their name when no one else was up there. oh But like, why did so many people fall down elevator shafts? Like, I don't understand how this happens. Well... Like, it's open. There's not anything. Why would you walk in if there's nothing there?
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i I don't know, but I can speculate that elevator technology has evolved quite a bit the last century or so. All right, bitch. Listen. I don't know, man. i don't.
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i Like, I could understand, like, getting smushed in the doors. Like, that would be a whole nother thing because, like, that's easy to do. But, like. yeah I wonder if it's something along the lines of like just expecting it to be there, not thinking about it and just walking forward as you're talking. does I don't know. i don't fucking know. i It's a cartoon in my head when I picture Exactly. That's what I'm saying. So what what was this guy's name?
00:21:29
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I don't have it. All right. So far missed this guy. You're dumb. You're falling down all the way down a an elevator shaft. You should have looked where you're walking. Maybe it was drugged up on his own. Oh, maybe the ghost pushed him.
00:21:44
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This is a different building. Okay. They followed him home because he didn't fill their prescriptions because they didn't have insurance. But okay, next up These are just little tiny snippets. I'm not doing deep dives into any of these.
00:21:58
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So next up in 1924, they decided to build a fucking hospital at the site of an overgrown cemetery.
Haunted Hospital Lofts: A Cemetery's Legacy
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Like on top of it? They moved the stones but left the bodies.
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ah Many of the people buried here were Confederate soldiers. So to mellow out the family members of the deceased, they named the hospital after Jefferson Davis. Oh my goodness. That's still horrible. Yes.
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ah The hospital only stayed open for 13 years as a newer, larger hospital was built. wow the building stayed abandoned from 1985 to till 2003 when it was decided the building was too beautiful and too historical to tear down oh my god it was then converted into lofts and is still there that today what the fuck that whole situation is not okay no um i didn't see any specific notes about what people experience here but while it was abandoned this place was apparently a very popular place to sneak into and do ghost hunting Oh, that's kind of fun.
00:22:55
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I want somebody to write a story about living in there, about living in there. The last ah quote, most haunted place I'm going to mention, though there are actually quite a bit more. There is a ton of stuff. If you go on, like there's, there's, they have haunted Houston tours and stuff you can do. and There's tons of history. and And so therefore many opportunities for restless places.
00:23:18
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buildings and or or spirits. and Restless buildings. I just imagine them like vibrating with like like earthquake buildings.
00:23:29
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But this last place is actually one of the places i was planning on talking about anyway. Apparently the National Funeral History Museum is said to be haunted. i didn't know was... didn't either.
National Funeral History Museum: A Fascination with Death
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that building was so cool though. Like it's it's such like a little... It looks like just like a little office building or something. Like somewhere you would go to like a government building. Maybe you just get your paperwork or whatever. But it is so cool.
00:23:52
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It really is. It's well worth the price. I know it's not very expensive. Yeah, I was like, I don't remember exactly how much it was. it was like 10 or 15 bucks. yeah It's not much. I think kids are cheaper. But as far as the haunted part, apparently there's been reports of screaming and shaking coming from the coffins and caskets of the past exhibit. cool I've been there twice now.
00:24:10
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Yes. I love this museum. I think it's awesome. i I didn't hear any shaking, screaming or anything coming from any of the coffins or caskets. But it's really cool because like it's most of it isn't even Ruckbooka as most of it's like real either originals or, yeah you know, actual stuff.
00:24:28
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I don't know words. That's okay. That's what I'm here for. But to me, this is probably the gym, like the destination as far as like spooky travel is concerned for Houston. If you're spooky inclined in any way, shape or form, or you're into death culture or anything, if you're anywhere near Houston, Texas, you've got to visit the National Funeral History Museum. It's lovely. Yeah, I think they have some stuff in there heard from JFK. They have some of like the first caskets, different casket types, different funerary vehicles.
00:24:59
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Yeah, all sorts of different hersens. I'm actually... But yeah, no, they all of that stuff. and It had mostly the same stuff when I went this time as when you and I went together. They've added a royalty exhibit and added a few bits to other exhibits that I don't remember seeing the first time, or maybe I just remember, I'm not sure. But yeah, museums are constantly curating.
00:25:17
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In the National Funeral History Museum, you will find artifacts from funeral history and famous deaths. There are coffins and caskets and urns from across history. There's even people that have donated their urns with their remains in it. So there's like a wall of cremains like in pretty urns of different types. I forgot about that. Yeah. That reminds me of the Body Works exhibit. I think we went so cool we went to the Body Works exhibit when we were in Houston. I forgot about that.
00:25:43
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Because I remember I was pregnant and i went and looked at the the pregnancy exhibit that they had there where they had like what a fetus looks like in every stage and they had real models and yeah they had the open pregnancy i was really cool i don't think that's in houston anymore no it travels it travels but still but if you see that anywhere go to it yes very very cool we did see it in houston in the museum of natural science i think yeah Let's see. They also had an amazing display of Victorian mourning clothes and jewelry, including that hair jewelry that creeps you out so much. It's just like, bleh.
00:26:21
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And I got a good picture of the display of that. So they've got stuff for death and funeral customs across many times and cultures, and they're on display for your learning pleasure. Horse-drawn and motorized hearses are parked throughout the museum.
00:26:33
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Many personal stories from people of all walks of life are present here too One of the stories that gets me, i got I remember it getting me the first time I went. And then again, there's this giant,
00:26:45
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I think it's a casket. I think it had the lid. A giant casket that is, it was wide enough for like two and a half people. And the story behind it is what's this couple's child passed away.
00:26:56
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And they decided that they were going to do a murder suicide thing. And so they commissioned to have this casket made for the three of them to be buried together. all ah They inevitably did not actually end up doing that.
00:27:08
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Oh, they changed their mind before the final moments. And so the casket was never used. And so now it's in that museum. Oh, well, that's good. But that's so sad. It is. It really highlights that grief, man.
00:27:21
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Yeah.
00:27:24
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I'm not going to go too much more into detail because I think really anybody should go and check it out. I also want to mention, though, I generally avoid gift shops. Oh, I love their gift shop.
00:27:35
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But they have the best gift shop. They have amazing art prints, sculptures, jewelry, books, and just really so many other things available for purchase. And it's all stuff I would just want anyways, like not because I'm visiting a funeral museum, but because I want this cool dark shit in my house because it's cute.
00:27:54
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I did end up, I ended up buying a graveyard journal. Nice. So I can keep my notes together that way. And then I got this book of funeral food tips and etiquette. Nice. So this is cool. I love things like this because this is, you know, they're always so regional, right? And i think this one was ah written in North Carolina. So it's got like To North Carolina, this is the stuff that you will see at funerals and things like that. And and you'll get like the the typical culture customs and stuff that are nuanced to that area. And that's just really neat. I love books like this. It's kind of like getting, um i don't know if you've ever experienced like small town cookbooks that they make like the... No, I've never really looked, honestly. So I remember when i was a kid, the small town my grandma lived in, they're like, don't, what, I guess...
00:28:48
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i want It wasn't like a PTA situation. It was like all adults. Maybe it was the church or something. the The church, everybody could submit their recipes and the church came out with a cookbook. And so it was all of the local recipes, like everybody's favorite recipes. And I just love shit like that because it's just, it's so specific to that place. Yeah.
00:29:07
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but So that's the National Funeral History Museum. Everybody should visit it.
Visit to Wunsche Family Cemetery
00:29:11
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On the way out of town, i did make my obligatory stop at a local cemetery. My actual intention was to make this whole episode about this. But unfortunately, the available research pool was a lot more shallow than I had anticipated. Really? But yeah, so to cap off our spooky travels to Houston, I bring you a mini grave encounter.
00:29:29
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the Wunsche family cemetery in spring, Texas, which is just North of Houston. Can you repeat that? Wunsche. It's W-U-N-S-C-H-E. And I saw several different pronunciations, but it seems that Wunsche is what the locals say. So that's what I'm going to say. Yeah.
00:29:47
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And the reason there's not a lot of information on this, the cemetery is tiny. It is tiny. It is smaller than... more like a local cemetery, not like... It is a is a strictly a family cemetery.
00:30:00
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First, I'm going to say, you and I also visited Spring, more specifically Old Town Spring. yeah. Yeah. This place is super worth a spooky trip if you're passing through the area anyways. They have a creepy as hell doll hospital, tons of cool shops, witchy and otherwise, ghost tours, fun restaurants. And I'm actually kind of sad now that I haven't done any of the ghost tours because that's apparently, according to Reddit, the way to find history on the Winchell family. We'll go back.
00:30:23
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ah You have to Absolutely have to. i also do want to say that there is a couple of sad bits of information about Old Town Spring. When you and I went. i was very pregnant and very tired. Yes, but there was the coolest little witchy shop on the freaking planet. It had a massive old gnarled tree growing through the middle of it. Mm-hmm.
00:30:42
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And it had like all the shelves, like it was that kind of super packed in eclectic kind of witchy shop with just junk everywhere, but also cool things. And like, it was, it was just kind of a magical fucking place. And when I went back, it's like a stupid clothing store now. Oh, that does suck. And also Wet My Plants, the cool little garden store is also closed now too. Yeah. I'm super sad about both of them. I mean, I think that was, oh, that was like right in the middle of COVID? It was in the middle of COVID. Wet My Plants just went out of business like a year ago. And then, or they may be doing stuff online. I don't know, but their shop is no longer there.
00:31:22
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Anyways, back to the Winship family. This cemetery is literally tucked in between the service road and the highway. There's a teensy little parking lot to pull into. if you're careful and there's not a lot of traffic, you can do it without getting murdered, but it's Houston. So traffic's always awful and it's super busy.
00:31:39
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It's sorry, Houston. Yeah. ah The cemetery is fenced off and small with a wooden frame entrance labeled the one shift family cemetery. ah The oldest tombs are shattered and overgrown, but several still stand and are clear and readable.
Traffic Challenges Near Wunsche Cemetery
00:31:54
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The ground was covered in rain lilies, which was really pretty like everywhere. that' They're just thin little flowers that look like kind of taller than buttercups, like taller buttercups that are smaller than buttercups. I don't know. but I think what you're talking about. Look up rain lilies, y'all. I did get kind of a picture of a wide shot where you can see the rain lilies on the ground. But anyways, look them up. They're pretty. Oh, they are. they have pointier leaves and buttercups. Yes. Yes, they do. The last Winsche to be buried here was Julianne Winsche in 1959.
00:32:25
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After that, the highway was finalized and they were no longer able to use the space. The Winsche family was instrumental in shaping Spring to the point where their schools are named after them still.
00:32:36
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In the 1840s, Carl, Charlie, and Del Winsche immigrated to Galveston, Texas from Germany. As it goes, they then walked north until they came upon Camp Spring, which was a trading post at the time.
00:32:48
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In a series of very smart decisions, the Winshaw family bought land to farm, built a lumber mill, and opened a saloon that still stands and operates as the Winshaw brothers' restaurant in Old Town Spring. does it Is it like all like saloon-y? It is saloon-y, yes. Yeah. We didn't actually go there. I like theme stuff. Yeah, no if we go back there, I definitely want to go to that restaurant. I'm super into the story now. I'm invested in this family. And so the Winshaw stayed prominent in Spring, Texas for over a century.
00:33:12
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Unfortunately, the brothers weren't the only members in the family to make their mark on the history of South Texas. oh On Sunday night, May 5th, 1929, 20-year-old Olena Winsha and her boyfriend, 21-year-old Edward Stone, left the Winsha home at around 7 p.m.
00:33:31
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They went to the Woodmen of the World Lodge in Old Town Spring and then went to the nearby town of Aldine for drinks. At some point in the evening, a man Olena had previously rejected tried to get into an altercation with them. No means no, guys. Yeah, which apparently resulted in a bit of a scuffle.
Murder of Olena Wunsche: Theories and Suspects
00:33:49
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See, after drinks, Alina and Edward decided to go park, which for those who are uninitiated means they drove to somewhere secluded to make out in a car, which is how people get murdered in movies.
00:34:01
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they were Neckin.
00:34:09
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all right. Sorry. um On the morning of May 6, 1929, police found Edward's body near the parked car with a close range shotgun wound on his chest and bruising on his knuckles with his right hand.
00:34:22
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Alina was found murdered a few miles away, having been shot through the shoulder blades. The theory here is that they took whoever shot Whoever shot Edwards took her from the initial scene and then she tried to get away and then they shot her. Wow. So they did Michael Myers style where the teenagers were hooking up and they shot him. Yes. Very much classic horror. um But in the saddest, realist sense of the words, and the sheriff and district attorney worked through the crime scene and and evidence and ruled out everything except for the possibility of it being robbery or jealousy motivated. There were several theories as to what possibly happened here. Okay.
00:34:59
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There was a lot of talk of other couples being robbed in the area that same night, but no one actually came forward about it probably to avoid publicity. Edward Stone was also missing the watch that he was seen wearing that night. So we've got the theory of bandits there.
00:35:11
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Interesting. There's also, of course, the theory of the rejected man that had antagonized them earlier in the night, coming back for them later um after their previous altercation. Police did interrogate two of Olena's former suitors, but both had solid alibis.
00:35:26
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Another early lead that came through was multiple reports of a car being found at the bottom of Spring Creek, not far from where the murders took place. But that wasn't their car because their car was still... No, it was not their car. But a farmer saw a couple of men walking from the swamp on foot. And so he reached out to Edward's father because he knew about the the murders. It was determined to have belonged to fishermen who ended up getting a ride out of town to Houston. No connections to the murders were made. And it's unclear if they had anything to do with the crimes. So there weren't like, wait, crimes. There were just those two though, right? It wasn't like a series of murders in a similar way or anything. It was just them. It was just them as far as being murdered. So maybe it was someone who had something against one or both of them. Right. Maybe. I honestly, I think that jilted lever. That's the theory that feels the most potentially correct to me, but it gets really annoying here in a minute.
00:36:17
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By June, there were still no solid answers because it took place in May. Remember ah members of the community gathered signatures on a petition to the Texas governor, Dan Moody, to send this, to send out a state ranger detective to help investigate since no progress was being made.
00:36:32
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They continued offering rewards for any information that would lead to a killer, but nothing ever materialized. Five people were arrested for the murders, but not a single one of them was ever tried or convicted.
00:36:44
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In August of 1951, so several years later, the case was reopened and new evidence was coming forward. Sheriff Buster Kern led the investigation, but publicly only stated that they had strong evidence and would be making an arrest soon. How many how many years later was this, after the murder? So if it's 22 years. Interesting. And they're saying they have, because I don't think DNA really came into play until like, what, the 80s? Don't get me lying, but it was later than this for sure, yeah.
00:37:10
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Apparently other sources had like not related to the sheriff because he wasn't releasing any information, but people around the situation had found that a third party apparently had come forward claiming that the suspect in question that Buster Kern knew about had asked them to get rid of a murder weapon for them. yeah. Yeah. So there was also more reports from friends and acquaintances that claimed that this person had been threatening Edward earlier in the night, which is why I think that the jilted lover situation potentially legit. so But unfortunately, this is where the newspaper articles died for me. like I didn't find anything else after this. Buster Kern never arrested anyone, though he boasted that he had cracked the case. um He took the information to the grave, and we will probably never know the identity of the person who murdered Olena and Edward.
00:37:55
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And this is one of Texas's earliest cold cases. how So that's it. that's That was the Wenshaw Family Cemetery and the last little bit of things I did on my spooky travels to Houston. I love that. It's fantastic.
00:38:15
Speaker
So what did you bring me today? Well, we briefly touched on the topic of Ouija before in regards to the spiritualist movement. Yeah. I
History of the Ouija Board
00:38:24
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believe. Okay. And um I'm going to be talking about a specific Ouija case in the next episode.
00:38:32
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Teasers. Spoilers. Spoilers. Yes. um So I wanted to spend just a little bit of time talking about the introduction of Ouija to the mainstream culture of the US s and its impact on the people at the time.
00:38:45
Speaker
Very cool. Yes. Now this is going to be very short, sweet to the point because it's really just trying to set up for the next episode for me. So you guys are going to have to wait forever for that. I'm into it. I dig it. Let's do it.
00:38:57
Speaker
So the Ouija board as we know it is a bit of a modern invention concoction situation. Like there was no true inventor per se, but there was, you know, um a modernization and a patent of it. Right. So the board we see portrayed in movies as a portal to hell isn't exactly based on anything supernatural. Right. There were mentions of automatic writing methods used in China around 1100 AD. And they did use a planchette, but it was more used as a means of like divinity divination. And it wasn't quite the spirit board it is today. So we're not looking out for somebody specific. We're just asking the void for Yes, exactly. okay
00:39:41
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In the US, it really came about during the spiritualist movement, as we touched on before. a version similar to the modern one circulated through these spiritualist camps in Ohio in 1886. And by 1890, the modern Ouija board was patented. Spiritualist camps? Yes.
00:39:57
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Is this like church camps, but for, no? No, like think like ah psychics, carnival people, like just camps of people who were trying to push this out into the modern people. church camp, but for spiritualism.
00:40:13
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Right? But like, no. I, no. Like, like, do you know how homeless people have camps? They don't sign up for those. Ah, so like, okay, got it. That kind of camp. That's why was like, like,
00:40:25
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Circus people, entertainers. Like a Romani camp kind of situation. He is. Got it, got it. Okay. That makes more sense. um Okay. Let's see. Charles Kennard, Elijah Bond, and Helen Peters, noseworthy, were the first to successfully patent the board. The patent was initially refused at the local patent office. So Elijah and Helen traveled to Washington, D.C., where they reapplied for the patents.
00:40:50
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It was again refused, but the chief patent officer asked them to prove it works. The board was asked to spell its name, and using the planchette, the name Ouija was spelled to everyone's surprise, outrage, and delight.
00:41:02
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As could be expected, religious groups didn't agree with the mass marketing of the board. Advertisements appeared in toy stores and papers across the country. Reverence took to their local papers to voice the Almighty's distaste in the
Opposition to the Ouija Board
00:41:15
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device. Mm-hmm.
00:41:17
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Reverend Frank Sisley called it, quote, a device of the devil under the terms lying wonders. It is condemned in the scriptures. It is extremely dangerous for one to go to the Ouija, even in a spirit of idle curiosity.
00:41:34
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Additionally, some government entities came forward to voice their disapproval on the manufacture and sale of the board. State Senator William Sharkey Martinez called the use of the board, quote, as bad as the drug habit, stating that, quote, the legislature or Congress. should act before the craze becomes worse. The best thing to do would be to step in and prohibit the sale of Ouija boards altogether.
00:41:57
Speaker
So they really wanted to do like an outright like prohibition style ban on this thing. What were they mad about? Were they afraid of them? or Yes. It was the... it was the corruption of our spiritual souls. You have to remember the twenties. It was right. Like you, like you mentioned, it was this whole, it was, ah there was a whole movement, right. and And women and men and children, everyone is learning a new side of society that we could be. And you know, that it's not just about the Bible and all these things. And so the church is intimidated. It got it. Exactly.
00:42:28
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In response, the department of Sacramento urged detectives to quote, break up Ouija board meetings. Yeah. And with the help of Senator Sharkey, attempted to ban the sales of the board in Oakland, Richmond, and El Cerrito, and neighboring counties in California.
00:42:42
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This, of course, proved to be wildly unsuccessful, as they had no legal ground to actually enforce the banning of a toy over moral or religious reasons that could not be proven. Tabloids reported on people's worst fear.
00:42:54
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Death by Ouija board are driven to madness by the spirits dooming their souls to eternal damnation. wow The Charleston, West Virginia Daily Mail reported on December 5th,
Ouija Board Hysteria in California
00:43:04
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1919. Oakland, California had an outbreak of Ouija mania in 1919 involving three women. One fully clothed was walking calmly into a lake when rescued with difficulty.
00:43:14
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Another constantly heard mysterious voices. The brilliant mind of the third had become shattered. Dr. J.D. Ball, a neurologist on the board of the State Commission in lunacy claimed, quote, in earlier days, whole villages have become afflicted with a religious frenzy. Ouija phenomenon may occur in a perfectly normal or so-called normal man.
00:43:33
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So as you see, there was real concern that people just couldn't handle it. They would become afflicted with demons or madness. And in fact, the whole town, they dubbed it Ouija mania. And it was in full swing. Yeah.
00:43:46
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Next week, I'll be discussing one intense situation that took place in El Cerrito, California. But today, i want to go over a shorter case that took place in San Francisco, California.
Impact of Ouija Board Mania on Society
00:43:56
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Okay. Captain O'Day of the San Francisco Patero Police Station was having some concerns about another officer, Elmer H. Dean.
00:44:04
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He said he'd been acting oddly and, quote, talked much of the information he had obtained from the Ouija board. The board had instructed him to take down a mysterious enemy. Officer Dean, in his enthusiasm to follow orders, decided to borrow a gun from the station and was absent from work the next morning. Uh.
00:44:27
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That's why they're now worried. Where did he go? Yeah. Upon his capture, Officer Dean was put in a car en route to the Anderson Sanatorium at Fruitvale, but he seemed to have escaped on the way there.
00:44:38
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In his escape, he hijacked a car by jumping onto the little footboard under the door, hanging onto the car and pointing the gun at the driver. They didn't take the police officer's gun before putting him in the car to drive him to the sanatorium. So they arrested him while he still had the gun. Yes.
00:44:56
Speaker
Great. So he escaped um and then hijacked another car by basically hanging off the side of the car and pointing a gun at them. Some Mission Impossible shit. In that process, he demanded to be driven back to Berkeley, California, another city nearby. He clung to the outside of the car, the whole drive there, while undressing.
00:45:17
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ah ah Once they had made it to the downtown Oakland area, Officer Dean took off completely naked and hid in the central bank building until more police came and they took him back to the hospital without further incident.
00:45:30
Speaker
So just a little example of this, like how people are just there. They're just taking these. God. words or things they believe the board is telling them and they just go off and do whatever the heck it is because you know they they are seeing this as that sign from god that they've been reading in these bibles my god Yes. So the main focus of this is California, since it will be the theme of next week's story. But rest assured, this was a widespread issue that affected more than just these Bay Area citizens. There were reports in Macon, Missouri, that one in five people of the entire population of the city had fallen into trances of the Ouija board with a one way ticket to the nearest institution.
00:46:10
Speaker
So just a little setup there so that you understand the full craze of the Ouija madness. So I know people in real life that are afraid of Ouija boards. They won't see do anything with them. they They don't want to be anywhere near them. They don't want to be in the same room as them.
00:46:28
Speaker
They are truly, truly afraid of them. And it's funny you say that because I know that it's just, it's literally manufactured by a toy company. Yes. I fully understand that. And I'm not a huge believer in the afterlife, oddly enough. But there is a very small part of me that has a belief in intention and...
00:46:53
Speaker
An intention and energy. Yeah. That's what it is for me. And it's like, well, I necessarily don't feel like I'm summoning a spirit to me. It's like you're putting the intention energy out there that you are open to that negativity in your, in your life and your thoughts and your minds and your. Why is it necessarily negative?
00:47:13
Speaker
Because that's usually the intention that's behind it, right? Nobody goes into it wanting to know something happy. That's not necessarily true. People use spirit boards to reach out to their lost family members. And it's usually something that's very sad. They need closure. So that's that negativity. There's these negative emotions. It's a lot of turmoil and and and people that are being basically used by by other people. Yeah. So in that, that's the way by that I mean by negative negativity, right? Because to me, it's, it's all about intention. It's all about the, the energy that is being put into it. See, that's wild to me. because I mean, i get that. yeah But like my thought, like if I were to go into using a spirit board situation, i mean, i I get, I get where the negativity comes from, but it like, know. It feels like it could also be like a happy thing. Like I'm connecting with,
00:48:05
Speaker
someone from the past, but you're, you're talking about being guided by a spiritualist who's full of shit is
Personal Beliefs on Ouija Boards as Spiritual Conduits
00:48:10
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what you're saying. Or even, you know, you doing it on your own. i mean, I don't think anyone is happily trying to reach their loved ones. Like it's usually out of desperation, a need for closure, a need for connection, a need for a need, you know, and it's, it's trying to fulfill something.
00:48:28
Speaker
And usually when people are in that kind of state, i feel like they're so vulnerable to suggestion and they're so vulnerable to intimidation and, and just,
00:48:41
Speaker
You know, general bad shit for lack of words. Meanwhile, I didn't get me my thesaurus. So I'm just making up words. I'm just picturing the situation where like, say you die. And I got my Saturday night going. on I got my candles lit.
00:48:57
Speaker
And I got my spirit board out. And I'm like, Nyleen, bitch, what's up? I do not feel like you would do that. You would be crying your eyes out the whole time. okay, you know, we don't need to talk about real life. That's what I mean.
00:49:12
Speaker
But like, you know, once we get past the the the grief and it's just like, maybe it's how I call you. I'm texting you via the spirit board. That'd be really funny. But no, that that's awesome. This was fun. ah for a Bonus to anybody, since we just did my spooky travels, um if you go to sal Salem, Massachusetts, they have spirit board museum. Nice. Yeah, that's cool. It is cool.
00:49:39
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so But yeah, it was really odd to see like, besides like, ah besides like the Chinese automatic writing, like the Ouija board, and I know it's like, well, yeah, it's a different language. But even in other languages, like there wasn't like a board situation that spelled things out or had a yes, no situation going on Like a lot of the automatic writing is more like, like the planchette thing where,
00:50:04
Speaker
You know, you're it's more like guiding you to specific things that you have laid out or automatic writing in terms of closing their eyes and being channeled to physically write something out. Well, that was actually i think I don't remember if I actually put it into that episode or not. and But there's when I did my research for it, they showed planchettes that were like elevated and they had pencils on them. Yes. And so it wrote out.
00:50:29
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whatever it was going to write out. So I thought that was really cool because I'd never seen that until I did that research. And, you know, know when I come across new stuff like that, that I haven't seen, I'm always really tickled by
00:50:42
Speaker
it. Do we have nightmare fuel? I do. um So for this week and next week, I'm probably going to use similar nightmare fuel because this book has been so helpful in this week and next week's research.
00:50:58
Speaker
If I could find it real quick. So the book is called Miss Wakeman versus the Antichrist by Robert D. Schneck. um it's It's an anthology, I think is the right word for it, where it's just multiple short stories. um A lot of them, you know, based in and a lot of them has like a lot of research in it based on it past newspapers or events that happen. That's really cool. So it's like short stories, but about but like nonfiction. About real events. Yeah, that's really cool. What is it called again?
00:51:30
Speaker
Mrs. Wakeman versus the Antichrist by Robert D. Schneck. I also have nightmare fuel. We were supposed to watch. we were, we talked about this. I know I'll watch it. I'll watch it. And then I'll, I'll tell you how great or horrible it was. Okay. so i watched the black phone. We were both going to watch this. It has Ethan Hawke and it's about a guy who kidnaps a bunch of kids and follow the story of this one kid, you know, the most recent kid who got
Recommendation: 'The Black Phone'
00:51:58
Speaker
taken. And there was this black phone that's not connected to shit in his cell.
00:52:03
Speaker
And occasionally it rings. And it's... I don't spoil it. Anyway, so... Wait a minute. I told you to watch a movie about kids getting kidnapped? That sounds horrible. Why would I do that? You're going to have a hard time with I think. I don't want that. Okay, well, for everyone else, it is... I heard it had really good reviews, so... It is really, like, it's compelling storytelling. acting was really good. was an interesting concept because it's not...
00:52:33
Speaker
that I don't want to spoil it. then Don't spoil it. Anyways, part of it's supernatural and part of it's not supernatural, which is always really cool to me because it's like, it's this, this part's grounded in reality.
00:52:45
Speaker
This part's not. And that's always really interesting. And I think that they weave it together really well, but it is hard to watch. It's not, ah it's not a funny movie. It doesn't really have any levity breaks at all, but. um And there's a second one that I think just came out too. There is a second one. Maybe it's going to be like a saw thing.
00:53:04
Speaker
You're like, that wouldn't be possible. Unless they do like, I know what you did last summer kind of situation. I don't even know how they ended up doing that. But and because I've only seen the first one. The same.
00:53:14
Speaker
um just know they did more. but They still know it. Yeah, no. So yeah, Black Phone. Recommend as a good movie. Might be tough for some parents.
00:53:31
Speaker
Time to c cleanse palates. I don't think anything could cleanse my palate today. Well, we're gonna
Unusual Memorials: Creative Ways to Remember Loved Ones
00:53:36
Speaker
try. Let's talk more about death. so Okay, so i i was watching, there's a show called Poker Face on... Oh, I've been wanting to watch it. It's really good. It's not it's not Nightmare Fuel at all, but it's great. And I recommend it. It's it's Good Times. I love Natasha Leone. She's awesome. But in one episode in this newest season, it takes place in a funeral home.
00:53:56
Speaker
And the guy who runs it some of the things he does, um he had a record press. So he... press memorialize remains into any song you wanted onto a 45, record. But then also basically you could put your loved one's remains, their ashes into any kind of physical object. So my palette cleanser today what would you want to be memorialized? love Forget whatever your actual like real end of life wants are like, say that this is what's going to happen. Either you're going to be pressed into a record. What song would you want?
00:54:35
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What was that song that I sang at my wedding that take on me? Yes. no That song would probably be, if I was going to get pressed into something, it would be that.
00:54:47
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Because I assumed that it would go to like my loved ones and they would understand it. The the whole like the joke behind it. It's just, I'm a horrible singer and I tried to sing that drunk at my wedding and everyone could hear me squealing. The part that's really memorable, though, is the fact that Monkey got video of it.
00:55:06
Speaker
So we can still experience this. Rude. But but yeah, no, that's great. But if it was like an object, I think an object. See, and like putting cremains in an object, I mean, or in anything, it just feels... It's like an urn, but it's all within a thing. It feels like a good way to make a horcrux. Yeah.
00:55:29
Speaker
All right. I think that's all we got today. Nice. Thanks for joining us on this. um After the the the first holiday extravaganza. The beginning of the massive holiday season that basically runs from October 1st to January 9th. Where we're all drowning and pretend we're having fun.
00:55:53
Speaker
we're having Fun. fun. It's fun. Damn it. All right. Well, until next time, have a good night. Sweet dreams.
00:56:04
Speaker
If you have topic requests, book or movie recommendations, or just want to say hi, email us at nightmare cottage at gmail.com or visit our website at nightmare cottage.com. Sweet dreams.
00:56:21
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Thank you.