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Season 6- Episode 25- How Did HE Get to 50!? (Premiership Round 15 & Super Rugby Round 9)
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We are back after another enforced hiatus! On this episode we are getting back into the Premiership and looking at how the weekend's action impacted the table and semi-final possibilities for the clubs including the downfall of one club we are not sad about at all. It's then time to look around in Super Rugby and the rather lopsided results on the weekend including the Crusaders fall in Perth. Then, we go to Quincy, where it was not as happy of a celebration as one might think, as a 50th appearance for two players is spoiled by one of said players' horrific performance. Wasn't his first and sadly probably won't be his last. All this and much more in between. Have yourself a drink and join us!
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Introduction and Technical Challenges
00:00:04
Speaker
It is the Fantasy Robians. My name is Jared Dyke. I wanted to say it's stupid and let's move on, but then you kept going. I'm Ben Glauser. I don't like any way anybody handled that collusion.
00:00:27
Speaker
Hey, everybody. Welcome back. It is the Fancy Rugby Yanks. My name is Jared Dike. I'm Ben Glauser. After a few false starts, we're finally here. Good God. I cannot get this thing to cooperate. Issues of a technical nature. Yeah.
00:00:41
Speaker
I would, I would, I will take blame when it's human error too, by the way. This was not human error. This was the computer being an asshole.
Health and Listener Engagement
00:00:50
Speaker
Tells me that Jared needs a beer. Yeah. Well, I am abstaining because I still have the sniffles and a bit of a cough. So in order to not subject everyone to me doing that, the whole fucking podcast and I'm abstaining. Yeah. Please drink one for me. Anywho.
00:01:07
Speaker
Make sure that you buy our good friend, George, the fantasy rugby geek a coffee or beer busy season for us all in the fantasy world. So make sure you show that man some love, especially if you're doing well in any of your competitions. I can think of a few guys that probably should be doing that right now. There is no discrimination here on this podcast, nor should there be in sports or in life. In general, we just
00:01:30
Speaker
and that's where we're gonna leave it for today. So keep being nice to people and don't be assholes. Don't be a dick. No.
Fantasy Rugby Insights
00:01:38
Speaker
Make sure you grab our Patreon, there will be...
00:01:42
Speaker
Do we have the one that was ready up or is it going to be up tomorrow? It's not, no. I don't put the premiership one up because that has the expected points. So that'll come up and the lineups are out. Fair. Okay. But that's just about ready as we're just putting on lineups in that case. Okay. Super and super will be out sometime before obviously kickoff.
00:02:07
Speaker
Also, for those following at home, you know, if you're really on the fence about getting our Patreon, the expected points are seemingly extremely accurate. They are a pretty damn good way of telling you who to start and sit as my captaincy of Gabriela Betoya will
00:02:27
Speaker
We'll tell you. That worked out well. That worked out extremely well. I wondered how you called to me and then I saw that. I was like, son of a bitch. Yeah. That happened. That definitely happened. That definitely happened. And the thing is, so I've obviously been tracking the accuracy of it. And the majority of, more than half of the projections are within three points.
00:02:57
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And there's like almost as many within one point of their actual score as there are with more than five points that difference.
00:03:06
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And there's only like a, you know, actually two handfuls of, of players with 10 or more point differences. But like Gabriela Betoya was, I think he was projected as the top scoring wing or outside back. I'm sorry. He was in there for sure. I'm seeing, right. Being very tempted to get him. And so he was, yeah, I'm pretty sure he was listed as the top, the top predicted score. And he was, but it was just by like a lot more points in it than, you know, the algorithm.
00:03:36
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or whatever it is, the formula may have suggested. Yeah, to me, it's like, OK, well, that tells you to play him and maybe captain him, which I did, you know, maybe wasn't expecting like those that huge that point total. But it's like it still tells you, yes, start that person. And like Jamie Shilcock was over 10 points difference, but he had that card. He ended up with negative points, but he was playing at 15 and is a fly half in Superbrew. And he was scheduled or he was he was expected to get 10 points.
00:04:05
Speaker
But he doesn't have a tee, obviously, because he's the guy Pollard, and he's playing at fullback. So you're probably not going to play him at fly half at that point. So 10 points, maybe if it's at 30 points, yeah, okay. Maybe I'll give him a shot anyway. Roll the dice. So you shouldn't have, if you played Pollard, because you wanted 10 points, shame on you anyway.
00:04:27
Speaker
You know and you deserve to get negative two and a half or whatever it was So it's like the ones that that are that are wildly different kind of makes sense and half of them were Bristol for some reason or another this week Yeah, because Bristol have lately been they've been obviously bucking their trend the last couple of weeks so
00:04:44
Speaker
Yeah, quite. You know, playing Newcastle helps. Does help. But we'll get to that. Does help. All I'm saying is you get really good advice. Like, you know, the last couple of weeks, my rise in our our Champions League has been because of those expected points and I've made my decisions based on that. And from my personal results, I'm very happy with it. Buy our Patreon and you can be happy with it too.
00:05:10
Speaker
Yeah, I will say in terms of the Patreon, I would not expect me to write much more this year because I had to sit down and do some real, real, real big thinking.
Writing Plans and Personal Priorities
00:05:18
Speaker
I have a child. I have a job of which is going to move locations and become a huge, you know, potential for my business. And then I have a coaching job that I'm trying to do and get a team to the playoffs. So unfortunately, those three, those three things are going to take priority over me writing fancy stuff as much as I love fancy stuff. And if I get a chance,
00:05:40
Speaker
for whatever random reason to sit down and write some stuff, I will.
00:05:44
Speaker
Yeah. Um, I wouldn't expect me to write in a whole lot more of the season, unfortunately. Right. So my analytics kind of carrying us for now. Yep. Um, which is cool, but I not, look, I've had the same thoughts, but it's not that much time now. So I can, I can do it for now. Yeah. All
Six Nations Recap
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right. Let's get to the meat of this whole thing. Uh, run around the six nations a wee bit. I don't think we need to spend much time on, so we can have other than the fact that it was a wonderful crowd.
00:06:13
Speaker
It was an awesome crowd. That was an absolutely amazing crowd to see, so awesome. I was watching with my wife, and she was like, that Ellie Kildan's really good. I'm like, yep, she's my captain. Yeah, mine too. I forgot to set a captain this week. Oh, you did? Oh my God. She was my captain last week, so I figured it would just carry over, and it doesn't. Nope, guys set that thing.
00:06:36
Speaker
So I was like, Oh, fuck me later. Uh, anyway. Yeah. But she was, she was amazing. And so was the rest of the red roses. So it's Abigail. Um, obviously also good. Also good. Um, over to, let's go over to Italy, uh, in Parma.
00:07:00
Speaker
Italy 10, Scotland 17. Two years ago, this was a different result. So, and last year, Scotland won at the dam and then there, here they are winning again. So, speaks to how well, how much Scotland have grown and how well they're looking after some of these players and, you know, the professionalization of some of these players is clearly paying dividends.
00:07:26
Speaker
I would say, cause this is not a pushover Italy team by any means whatsoever. You know, France will tell you that they, they gave them all they can handle the other week. And there's, and there's some really great players that I love on this Italy team, but they're taking our ticket to them. And I, uh, I applaud them. I really do. So Dinka is, is something else really good.
00:07:54
Speaker
some really good player. Obviously, we've known Beatrice for a while. For a while. That's not a news flash. That is not a news flash. But it's really good stuff and shit. I'm glad to see such a thing happening in this competition now. Yeah.
00:08:20
Speaker
And it's going to get there. Yes, England is apparently just going to steam all the way with this. Although maybe France has something to say, we'll find out. But I mean, you can't really expect that much. But they're just ahead of the curve. They've been professional for longer. These teams will catch up. And Ireland has a little ways to go. Wales has a little ways to go. Italy and Scotland have a little ways to go. But they're all much improved from where they were. Yeah.
00:08:50
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. To see the second row for, um, for a Lee bird as well. For more than a mission or, but yeah, like Lana skeleton, brilliant. First Scotland, uh, Archer fans. What?
00:09:16
Speaker
But it's, yeah. So full credits to Scotland and, you know, this is obviously a huge flag to signal like what, what, what it does for a team to have that going forward. So, you know, Lisa Thompson was great on the day, obviously. And just, yeah, this was a, this was a gritty, but full team performance. Like, and obviously it took them a little bit to finally put the whole damn thing away, but
00:09:46
Speaker
You had virtually every area of Scotland making plays in terms of front row, second row, back row, halfbacks, centers, and back three. They all had their own stars that made noise in this game. So full credit to the Scots. And yeah, like I said, it speaks well to where the game is.
00:10:12
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And France, I think, kind of realized what happened last week could not happen again this week. And they they took it out on the Welsh, unfortunately. Mm hmm. Sorry for you guys. You got the you got the pissed off version of France, not the not the sleepy version of France. And that true. But still, they just they lacked creativity, they lacked a finish, they lacked an edge.
00:10:40
Speaker
Which, I mean, I guess that's Welsh rugby in a nutshell, but still. Yeah. That men are women. Yeah. Not wrong. But it's got to be better. They had enough possession. They just didn't do anything with it. Like a lot of times, this is one of, you know, a lot of times teams that are getting boat race like this, it's just that they never have the ball.
00:11:08
Speaker
and they never have an opportunity. And that was not the case in this game. It was just that whenever France got an opportunity, they're like, oh, well, why don't we just score? That needs to change for Wales.
00:11:29
Speaker
The meat is there. I don't know how else to say it. Now you got to make it make it something. I don't know. You get what I'm going. I mean, to kind of put a. Put put a stat out there that might give some perspective, 17 missed tackles for France, 178 made 76 made tackles for Wales, 19 missed percentage wise. That's not awesome. Not obviously that that's, you know,
00:11:58
Speaker
shown with a 40 to nothing score line with whales having 60 odd possession of the territory and the possession. It should be a big one. It's an 80% tackle rate. That's not amazing. No, and it's also not good. Again,
00:12:19
Speaker
You're also, again, professionals, just like France are at this point. Yay. That's great. How are you not breaking more tackles? It's not like they don't have much. Make them miss tackle. Make them miss.
00:12:39
Speaker
work the ball in such a way that makes them miss. You can't just hope that it happens. You don't run at those, don't run at their midsection, run to the shoulder or something for God's sake. Don't be coached by Rob Baxter, be coached by someone good. Interesting, looking at the penalties, can see it too, 12-7, well said the most.
00:13:01
Speaker
of their 12, seven of them were on offense. So they will give away quite a bit of ball penalties. Didn't, which I didn't miss that. That's one of those ones where the coach just throws the clipboard up in the air like I'm fucked. Screw this. Screw this. So yeah, poor, poor job to Wales, but at least, you know, for the Francis sake, they, they bounced back and made sure that they set up a big weekend coming up here.
Premiership Rugby Excitement
00:13:28
Speaker
Big old weekend. Speaking of big weekends, let's go to the prem. This is a fun weekend of premiership. This is like a spectacle, got to say. Yeah, nice watch. Every game was fun. Well, OK, save two. But again, even those were fun to watch. Right.
00:13:50
Speaker
Yeah, so, we'll start at the Starbucks. Sarri's in Gloucester. Yes, please. So, here's the thing that I think we just need to kind of remember. Gloucester played their challenge cup quarterfinal and they took a pretty good beating in it in terms of physicality. So, they rested these guys. So,
00:14:14
Speaker
Right. And that's fine. To me, this just goes to show on the other side, though, what you can get when you have these mobile back rows. Yes. Ben Earl was almost like, he's looking for shit to do and just didn't have anything because
00:14:34
Speaker
Gonzo and Willis were like, yeah, I got it. I got it. I got it. And I was like, what the fuck do I have to do to like be Ben Earl here? It's just such less pressure on Farrell. And it got, you know, it gave the ball to Tom Parton in space who, to me has he looked a lot like Alex Good used to look.
00:14:58
Speaker
back in the day where he's like almost like skating out there, like in the good way. Like he's like, I'm going to go this way. Oh, no, I'm going to slide back the other way. And the other team is like, wait, I have cement shoes on. I can't cut back that quickly. Just like you in good turn back the clock a little bit in this game. Yeah. So but I think that all started because, you know, Gonzo Earl and Willis were basically everywhere. Yeah.
00:15:26
Speaker
Were you like me and when Faz put up that high ball around the 22, you're like, what the fuck are you doing? Until I saw Theo was there. I'm like, oh. Until it worked. I don't know. I didn't even need to wait until it worked. When I saw that it was Theo out there, I'm like, oh, no, no, no. That was the right call because Theo was going to beat whoever was there. He at least knew what he was doing with that decision. You realize who he was aiming for.
00:15:51
Speaker
Right. If it doesn't work out, well, you know what, you could do a lot worse than that anyway. So, and then it worked out. It worked. Imagine. So we were talking and we were talking about guys like Tom Pearson, Gonzo, Parton, that have left the folded, lung and Irish, Sinti. Excuse me. And here's the thing that I problem I had with the whole
00:16:19
Speaker
you know, some of their selections. You have Gonzalez, you have Pearson, and somehow, some way, you're picking humps like Rodgerson and Cracknell. To a suey. And to a suey, yeah. Did I miss the part where we want our forwards to be dynamic? I guess so. And to me, there are a lot of people that are just like, you have to have, you know, here's the thing.
00:16:45
Speaker
I understand the idea of like you need to someone that's got the dog in them and I don't disagree. A lot of these dynamic forwards have that Ben Earl is the perfect case. Like, yeah, tell me that dude's not doesn't have the dog in him. And also he's probably the best back row in the premiership right now. Right. He's probably the fastest.
00:17:02
Speaker
I think that's, I think that's right up there. Um, so yeah, just one more thing. One more issue with London Irish. Good thing they're not here anymore. Sorry. Sorry. Not sorry. Yeah.
Team Critiques and Player Highlights
00:17:14
Speaker
Anyway, um, two, two glossary because there's one guy we got to talk about is Josh Hathaway. Like, wow. Even he's like, this is so annoying because I'm having such a day, but it,
00:17:31
Speaker
the rest of my team is just laying a poop. Right. Oh man. Yeah. I mean, he had some good plays. Like he was not. He did. Yeah. He's bloody good. Like I can't wait to see more of him. I agree. I agree. And unfortunately there was just.
00:17:52
Speaker
Not enough of other guys making plays and. Well, no, they they had a that's like a plotting forward pack. They just they were not, you know, the sires were getting to everything before Gloucester were right. You know, I want to I want to see more of Charlie Atkinson, too, but they didn't have enough. Real like you didn't have enough opportunity to have like no help. Yeah. And he's got no help. No, no, no, no.
00:18:20
Speaker
Uh, let's go to, let's go to the gardens. Saints and Lester. Excuse me. I was trying to avoid that and that didn't work. Um, anyway, if I'm
00:18:40
Speaker
I think the thing for Lester is, and I'm not sure, maybe this is just me making shit up, it felt like they felt really good about that first half when they ended it at 10-6. I was like, I get it, you're in the lead, but like, what have you done? Because Northampton's done nothing. And they're still in this game. What have you done to get this lead apart from the one score, which, yeah, okay, you got it by getting penalties and then kicking into the corner.
00:19:09
Speaker
And yeah, Montoya is going to get one of those every so often himself. So right, you have to like that's that's you get one. Something like that a game. But you got to have something else. And you still also look at have to look at the bench. You still got Finn Smith and Tommy Freeman there just lurking. Right. So it's like this isn't over by any stretch. This is a you've you've got to lead and this is almost the same thing as Gloucester. Like this is, you know, see like there's no there's no slight home.
00:19:40
Speaker
Nope. You know, much field out there is not, you know, Dingwall is good, but, you know, none of this and for bank, like this is not the whole back line is like kind of change side for, for, for Northampton with the exception of Mitchell. Right. And yeah, I just, I don't, I don't see Lester having much in the tank here. And it's, you know, the same going back to them. Same issue.
00:20:05
Speaker
you know, Rafael has to come off at 38 minutes. Oh, man. And that was the end of their venture. Right. Right. And you have the but you only have the one guy that that's their job. Like, right visa cannot do it all. He's good in spots. He's one of those like, you can you can
00:20:20
Speaker
Hammer away with him in the loose. But like, you can't then ask him to be the fetcher too. That's the he can't do both. Yeah. And I, when you have a good back row, you can ask all three to do all the jobs. And they can split the load evenly. It doesn't need to be
00:20:38
Speaker
you know, this one has to carry, this one has to fetch. It can be all three, but when you have, I'm sorry, when you have humps, like I didn't think the kid, what was his name? Kind of. Yeah. I don't think he played that badly. Like, no. Yeah. That's a lot to ask of him. So there's no, there's no pressure on him, but crack knows a fricking hump. So it's like, yeah, you're, you're asking a lot of a very good number eight, but still, you know,
00:21:05
Speaker
Yeah, you didn't plan well if this is your this is your plan. It's a dogshit plan. Yeah, maybe you did plan and if this is it, it sucks. Right. And I feel like that but that's what Lester have been this year. It's a lot of it's it's regressive more than it is.
00:21:23
Speaker
attacking and it's a lot of, okay, well defense is going to win championships. And it's like, not anymore. You know, defense alone. Okay. So yeah, defense can help when you championship, I mean, look at Northampton, they do have an excellent defense. Does that stop them from scoring?
00:21:39
Speaker
Right. Oh no, of course not. And look at it this way. With, what was it? 20 minutes to go. Let me see what it was. With, yeah, with 17 minutes to go, about 18 or so. This was a 21-17 game. Right. Yep. And then, we're just gonna score the three. Try, try, try.
00:22:02
Speaker
Every few minutes. And it's like, yeah, that's over now. So it's like, yeah, your defense can only carry you so much. Tommy Freeman came on. Right? Shocking how that, that turned out. I was like, here's the fun part. You're all tired and Kata's off now. And here comes Tommy Freeman. We can't not talk about how good Finn Smith is.
00:22:26
Speaker
Yep. Because he's ridiculous at this point. And to me, it's yeah, you got the two Smiths as your as your 10 England, like, I love you, George Ford, for what you for what you are. These guys like there's no there's no need, except to have you as like the veteran leadership. These guys have to be the guys. Yeah, you want to you want to win you want to win the big one?
00:22:50
Speaker
nurse these guys into that, into that general. And talk about like mobile forwards. Alex Coles, um, might be a log for a lock. He can get, he can get around the loose to put them out there and he's, he's fine. Like I, yeah, they, they have some guys who can make moves in the loose. So that's that, that helps. And they can defend like a motherfucker. Um, one, one more comment on an Alex and then we'll, I'm gonna go to the 1230 game.
00:23:19
Speaker
Waller. I mean, one club man, he's calling it quits at the end of the season and the dude is.
00:23:27
Speaker
The dude has just been a machine for his entire career and still doing pretty good job out there. He really is. He's not super dynamic by any means whatsoever, but he's able to hang with this offense, which we all know is a high octane offense. It doesn't stop ever. If you can help it, you're going to need some serious freaking
00:23:51
Speaker
the, you know, extinguishing to get this thing to stop. And he's able to keep up with it. So especially at his age, what they say he's played 28, Midland Starbies, like, oh, yeah. So typically capping him and now they're
00:24:07
Speaker
The upside for them is there's a lot, there's a couple of really nice young loose heads coming through with Tarak and Eogin like, yeah. Former Irish. Yeah. Another one. Another one. Why they didn't play this guy more? I don't know.
00:24:23
Speaker
Right. But how far, like, and how far it's going to be so good, but just because, you know, he's been around someone like Alex Waller too. Yep. Miller Mills is doing all right. His yellow notwithstanding. Yeah. Yeah. Wasn't his best work. No. Wasn't his best work. And it's always good to see Jack Vanport lead back for Lester. I thought he played really well. Just again, not much help there. No. Nope. Nope. Nope. And stop fucking around with Jamie Schalkhager, 15. Right.
00:24:53
Speaker
Like you have the one of the best acts in the world play him there. Yeah, but they don't have any fucking wings. Put brownie in there. Yeah, that works way better. All right. Yeah, let's go to the butt crack. The crack of the button.
00:25:14
Speaker
So it's one thing when you have your star fly half and you have your game plan, everything is, is in place and then he gets hurt and everybody's got to scramble. It's another thing when you go into a match, knowing that your fly half is out, your star fly half and that, okay, we're going to play our second choice, but we're going to adjust and he's going to be prepared for it. Um,
00:25:41
Speaker
And I think the result speaks for itself on this one. And if this game wasn't evidence that Exeter rode their luck hard in Champions Cup, I don't know what's going to convince you otherwise. You're just going to be, you're just an Exeter hardo, and that's where it's at, in which case you and I don't need to talk ever. Have fun with that. Seriously, have fun with it. Right now, honestly, just a garbage organization from top to bottom.
00:26:07
Speaker
Yeah. And they have some guys. Yeah. But honestly, like get Faye Woboso and Hodge. And maybe even fizzle out out of there, because they're not that's only going to hurt them. Yeah, I just don't see. You can't rely on three players to be the dynamism in your in your attack. Right. Like what did Vermeulan provide except for like some handbags and then shit house area? Mm hmm. You get that. Right.
00:26:37
Speaker
Like then that, but that's, if that's your game, okay. The other teams are just going to be like, okay, have fun with that. We're going to play rugby. There's this game that we came to play. It's not a shithouse competition. It's a rugby competition. And, you know, again, you're talking about like, you know, Ethan roots vermulan and fizzle out looking at one side on the other side, you're looking at Ted Hill, Sam Underhill and, and I'll be Barbary. I know which one I'm taking. Yeah.
00:27:04
Speaker
Yeah, they have that they had Quinn Roo equaling that shit house story. But you know, yeah, you could they have one guy who's going to manage that not only that, but he's a lock. Yeah, not not your six or seven. He's your lock and you can take him off and bring someone else on. And I mean,
00:27:21
Speaker
The little bit that he was providing like when CEO fucking elbow dropped and I'd be pissed too. I'd be like, dude, get the fuck off me. I would totally be where Quinn Roo was in that case. Right. And it wasn't even like anything legal about it. He just freaking did it to be a dick. Right. I was like, dude, you've got to be kidding me. I'd absolutely want to get up and take your head off like no shit.
00:27:44
Speaker
And was it Leo? I think it was the ref for this. Who was just like, you guys need to stop, you know, you guys need to listen to me. And it's like, dude, first off, one team is complaining complete shit house and you're letting them get away with it. And so it's going to get handbags. It's going to get chippy after that. Like, yeah, your shittiness as a ref is letting this fester.
00:28:05
Speaker
Yep. Like if you had just taken control and said, like, see, like, no, we don't do that. Your car did get off like, and, you know, handled vermule because vermule and came in after that too. Like, you know, as soon as, as soon as Roo started with it, obviously all the Exeter guys are like, yeah, okay, this is what we'll do.
Match Management and Refereeing
00:28:21
Speaker
We'll, we'll, we'll all charge in and, you know, we'll have a big, you know, we'll shake each other and stuff like that. But I mean,
00:28:28
Speaker
Yeah, the refs got to take control of that. And Lille is just really bad at that. And I also thought go back to it. Fayette Wiposa was seriously lucky because I realized the interpretation that has not been how that playing a guy in the air has been called. That's not the way that's not the standard. Like I get that you're trying to be like fair and even handed and all that. That's not the standard.
00:28:54
Speaker
No. It was Gallagher was there and Fayette will also undercut him. Now, did he have a chance at the ball? Kind of, but he didn't have the right to it because again, he was beaten. Gallagher flipped and landed on his back. I was thinking, wow, he'd be lucky not to get a red and then just be like, don't play on.
00:29:14
Speaker
You can't have that. And then the intentional knock. Yeah, he almost caught it, but he slapped that forward. That is not okay. Yeah. Oh, well, he almost caught it. Yeah. But the action that caused the knock was a slap down. Like, right. The fuck else do you need?
00:29:32
Speaker
Oh, you muppet. Like at some point you add as a ref, you have to realize, OK, I've seen like if you let him get away with the first one, it's one of those, you know, fool me once. Shame on you. Fool me twice. Shame on me. Like that's how it goes as a ref. Like, oh, I'll let that go. OK, well, now you. But that's it's got to be in your head. Like this guy's you're you've got lucky once anything you do that steps like blatantly out of line. I got to do something about. And instead he's like, no, no, I'll just let it play off.
00:30:02
Speaker
Shit, how's the reef? And it's more of an example of the luck that this team continues to receive for whatever reason. I don't know what the. Well, at the same time, it's your legal. Do you want Baxter moaning about you and then maybe not getting assignments because Baxter has still some for some fucking unknown reason and still has pull with with HQ like shouldn't and the prem like I don't know what who's got pictures of but provides provides one actual worth a damn
00:30:32
Speaker
international to HQ. So I don't know why the fuck he needs. He needs Paul. Right. So, yeah, I'm not liking it. But again, bath, excellent work overcoming your your lack, you know, your your backup 10. Oh, Jomo, I thought played out of his mind. He did. I agree. Lawrence Koka, Wilmere kind of, you know, we're not we're a little non existent, but you can get around that, especially against exit or you don't need.
00:31:01
Speaker
You know, as long as your forwards play well, you're going to do it. And they did. They did the lot of the forward to play really, really well. Yeah. Got a lot of it. Let's go up to Salford sale. Thirty seven sharp. Quinn's 31. Excuse me. If Quinn's got off the bus, they would have been like in the first 20 minutes or so. I was thinking, too. I was like, Jesus, you guys, it took you 20 minutes to wake up. You need to spot this team a 20 point lead or whatever the fuck it was.
00:31:30
Speaker
They don't need that. They'll gladly take that. Right. And it was what? Seven, 12, 15 points right in 15 minutes. They were chasing the score. So before you even got on the board with with Lina, you're down 15. And again, the final margin was six. So it's right there. If you just got off the bus. Cunningham South played really well in this game for the twins, I thought.
00:32:00
Speaker
And I know, apart from his, you know, that break still just seemed to be a problem everywhere. He is a, like, I love him. And yeah, you're going to have mistakes. He's what, 21? Like so. It was, it was last year's, again, former LIR player. Um, right. But last year he decided he wasn't going to play in the, the U 26 nations because he wanted to play with him. He's like, no, I'm a, I'm a men's player now.
00:32:29
Speaker
Fair play to him. Yeah. So, but he's still going to be making some mistakes, but the fuck he makes up for it. Yeah. Really good ability. They got to stop playing Oscar beard like that. Northmore is clearly healthy. Play him. Right. Play him. I don't, I don't see it with beard. Sorry. I mean, either. It is confusing. Right. Um, it was nice that
00:32:59
Speaker
I don't know what the hell needs to be done for sale to finally say, oh, Gus war is not that good of a nine. We probably should start raffy quirk. And I know raffy has health issues, so that's not, I get it. And if that continues to be the problem, go find a new one. Right. Because Gus war is not good. I think they're just like, look, war is working, so we're not going to mess with the success. I don't even know what he does. What does he do?
00:33:29
Speaker
That was the ball? All right, cool. Most nights at that level would be able to do that. Right. He doesn't lose in the game, though. I mean, that's the best I could say about him. He had a couple of bonehead plays that almost cost him. But did they win? They did. But you know what? They did better when court came on. I think they pulled war really early. I don't disagree. I don't disagree. I'm not I'm not I get that. I'm fully on board with what you're saying. I'm just trying to provide the
00:33:59
Speaker
you know, the sale coaching staff. You know, why is he on the field for the same fucking reason that Kyle's on the field for the free jacket? Who the fuck knows? For some, it's a stupid reason, but they got a reason. For the same reason that John Luke Dupree is at eight. I don't fucking know.
00:34:21
Speaker
Yeah. Neither, neither do I. Um, anyway, so yeah, still stay in the hunt at least. And that was probably the one thing that got them over the line. They knew they kind of disastrous for Harlequin's. They needed this win. Yeah. Um, they, they salvaged two points out of it. You needed, they needed four, but they really needed four, but they're not completely out of it, but it keeps them within a shell. But yeah, it just didn't do them any favors.
00:34:48
Speaker
It keeps them well above Exeter, which is really important still. Yeah. I'll be honest. This is like the one game I didn't get to get to any chance to watch any of. And I was watching the highlights and that's it. We're still in the Newcastle. I mean, the highlights are basically 80 minutes long.
00:35:09
Speaker
Oh, man. Because it was like, oh, they scored. Okay, cool. Oh, wait, they took the restart and then they scored. Okay, cool. All right, then wait, they took the conversion and they scored. And again, and again, and again. I mean, look at that shit. They scored one minute, five minute, eight minute, 14 minute.
00:35:25
Speaker
You know, a 26, yeah, okay, they took a break. They got bored. Then 36, 38 minutes. And then that second half, 69, 73, 75, 78, like, they're just scoring for like, it was a joke. I mean, I think I probably stopped watching around the time they pulled AJ. Because like, they just pulled everybody early. That was another kind of cool thing that Pat landed. He's like, yeah, okay, I see where this is going. Everybody can just take a nice rest.
00:35:56
Speaker
absurd. Yeah, I just absurd. It's and I obviously feel bad for for Falcons, but I don't think friggin hard times.
00:36:08
Speaker
And well Dimes is I actually honestly think Dimes is the right person to turn this around the scary enough Because at least he's gonna come in and be the asshole that they need cuz like his whole thing is we made stupid fucking decisions in who we signed and you notice like There's only one Matthias on this team and he was on the bench And only came in cuz even Stevens got hurt early anyway, and the old Tom penny got hurt first and then Stevens had to come out like
00:36:37
Speaker
He's like we signed some we made some really fucking stupid signings and they're gonna they're trying to Fix a lot of that and yeah, it's gonna take away I think he realizes he's writing off the season obviously, but he's gonna try to get you know Ben Redshaw some opportunity here like that's the He's trying to get Tom penny out there anyway, you can't remember before it Tom penny was a ghost on that team and yet he's a good player when you give him an opportunity, right? I don't think 12 is a spot
00:37:06
Speaker
but at least he's trying to get him out there. So I kind of like what he's doing. And yes, they're losing Louie, but I also think that's fine because, and Guy Pepper, but yeah, that's, that's worse. You can't really have that. You need someone who's mobile in the pack, as we've been talking about. Um, but like Conin, fine. You've got a decent 10 just hanging him around. Like it's almost like a football team. That's,
00:37:33
Speaker
needs to maintain relevance and like, no, getting signing a hotshot or drafting a hotshot quarterback. That's going to fuck up a couple of years is not helpful. Like you need someone who's steady and Brett Connan's a good like Kirk Cousins type who's like, yeah, he'll do the job.
00:37:50
Speaker
Like, is he going to win you playoff games? No, but you're not in position to do that anyway. So he's probably not going to get any crazy sound bites either. Right. So just go with it and then build around him. Um, and then when you're ready, then you'll be able to position. So I think like Dimes realizes he's the guy before the guy, he's the guy they need to transition. And then when it's time, I think he'll move on. Um,
00:38:14
Speaker
But yeah, they got there's so much work to do there just from the rock like the roster perspective like the the team play Yeah, I know he's kind of a helmet but I've kind of started to like him lately, which scares me
00:38:28
Speaker
I'm literally afraid. Uh, but either way, um, I'm also wondering if that's just sale and then he gets away from him and he's less of an asshole and more of like, more of a, like, no, we just, this is, this is, yeah, he's a hard ass, but I think he's got, I think he actually has his head in the right place. Yeah.
Super Rugby Recap
00:38:44
Speaker
But he just doesn't have the fucking roster right now. No. Uh, let's go to super rugby. There's probably only a couple of the matches. There's probably only two that are even worth taking more than a couple of breaths about.
00:38:57
Speaker
Jua and hurricanes is probably one of them and the scoreline definitely flatters the hurricanes. It does. That second half was a war for their sake, but the Jua couldn't get out of their own fucking way either. So it's like, I don't feel bad about taking that win away. It's like, you, we, we handed you many opportunities on a platter and it's not like, you know, the referee cocked them. They did it on their own.
00:39:22
Speaker
No, but I mean, they're, you know, look, they're, they're, they're really played a backup halfback combination. Yeah, between Lomani and obviously, um, and Armstrong had taken the day off. I remember there was a reason why. Right. Can't remember, but yeah. So Curavoli, obviously, you know.
00:39:41
Speaker
Yeah, but he's you know what he's played in a World Cup like quarterfinal and in a knockout game like he should he should know better so that's not an excuse but the kid I get it the 10. Yeah, I get it. Yeah, he had he had a bit of a poop himself day and that'll happen. Also scored one try but that's it. Right. I there's something else to really factor in here that you're not going to say but I will.
00:40:05
Speaker
The hurricanes are really fucking good. I can only hope. So even with Aiden Morgan looking at like the elephant man out there. Oh my God. I was like, what is that? I assume that was because his nose was fucked up, but still goddamn. Right. Ouch. Um.
00:40:28
Speaker
Devin Flanders just like walked a try and it felt like I was like, how do you score that? That felt too easy. And I'd be, I'd be pissed if I was, uh, McBurn. I'd be like, how do we let him do that? Like that's not Braden Jose over there. That's fricking Devin Flanders. Like, come on. Come on, Devin. Come on. It's Devin.
00:40:49
Speaker
Flanders. How do you do? And Dewey was terrible, especially in the second half. I'm so mad because I like flipped a coin between him and Devin Flanders is who I would sign for the week. And I was like, I'll go with Dewey. He's actually played pretty well against some shit teams. Yeah, that's the bad part. God damn it. So I just spit the bit this week. Yeah, not good. But it was, excuse me, but it was
00:41:19
Speaker
One of those games where if the sort of hurricanes have a largely successful season, which so far they are, they'll look back. This is one of those games. They're going to look back on and say, we got the job done, even though we probably didn't deserve it. And they even got the bonus point out of it. So it's not right. Not easy to win against the Drew anywhere, especially in Fiji. Right.
00:41:43
Speaker
not alone, but they got it done. Yeah, between like that and like the Reds game right now are the ones that I'm thinking of and the Crusaders game. Oh my God. That's right. Forgot about that. The Crusaders game in Christchurch. Like, yeah, that was, those will be big moments when they look back on the season and we'll see how it ends. But thus far, I'd say those are probably the three biggest moments so far.
00:42:11
Speaker
You know, and the, the, you know, the chefs, but that's not really, I don't know. I don't know. Well, whatever. We'll talk about that in a little bit. Well, we won't because there, there didn't play this week, but all right. Damn it. I, I, I'm seeing fraudulent signs again from them. Yeah. Uh, red reds, Islanders, Islanders for dog shit. Well, what else? I mean, the reds weren't bad by any means whatsoever, especially considering that they didn't have Tate, but like,
00:42:42
Speaker
founders were bad. No way around it. And yeah, I'm not sure what else to say. Like getting the hell out. I don't either. And even more shocking. Brumpees, what planet did you like move to when you tried to go to New Zealand? Like you clearly didn't freaking bother to get to Auckland. Like what the shit? That was bad. That was that was probably worse because this is they're supposed to be the better team in Australia.
00:43:18
Speaker
I think every week, there's like two Aussie teams are allowed to show up and that's it. And this week, it was only one. It was. No, two reds, reds kind of show. I mean, I'd say, oh, yeah, reds. Excuse me. Blank, blanking the highlanders anywhere is like that's the first time an Australian team has shut out a Kiwi, Kiwi team in like my lifetime, I think something similar. Yeah, it was it was a minute.
00:43:28
Speaker
Not right now. I don't know.
00:43:42
Speaker
It had been a minute. Right. You know, a couple of fiscal years and a quarter month. Yeah. But then obviously the force as well. So yeah, I just think the Brumby, I don't know. I just don't know with Australian rugby. I just can't tell. Mike and I.
00:44:07
Speaker
Neither can I. Some of it, I'm just like, what are we watching? Just like, I can't tell what the fuck is up with the Crusaders. And this is what really is getting on my fucking nerves, is how did the Chiefs lose to this team? I mean, they picked the kid at 10, and that was kind of when they put them in trouble. That's fair. That's fair. I will say, and here's the thing, they got away from it. They were able to feed Amua the ball a little bit, and that helped them.
00:44:38
Speaker
You know, 14 having the ball in hand is helpful as well. Yeah. But that's it. Who else on that team is really like making an impact? I don't know. And like, I don't know who the answer is at 10 and they don't have the answer this year. I can promise you that. No, that's. It's Ahojipa. It probably isn't Rihanna. Like they have issues all over the place.
00:45:00
Speaker
Like they brought in Ryan Karate thinking he was going to be the saving grace. That's not going to fucking happen. And then that was, I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. No, he's like, I mean, full credit to the forest for like finally showing up in a game and like giving it their all and getting over the line because they haven't done that in a lot of them this year thus far. They've done it in like one or two, like when they beat the Reds, but like they, this was huge for them. I mean, if they see more of this Ben Donaldson,
00:45:27
Speaker
And I was thinking about this, about him and what's his butt with a stash white and like how much of a dud they've both been white still a dud, let's be honest. Um, but Donald's and same thing, like how much of a dud he had been as a signing. I was like, what the fuck is this guy doing?
00:45:46
Speaker
But much, much better this week. Certainly showed why he might have, may have been at least worth worthy of the Wallaby gold. Right. Yeah. This Ben Donaldson is absolutely worth Wallaby gold. Maybe not, you know, I still think Carter Gordon's better, but that's not, you know. I do too.
00:46:05
Speaker
You see the, what was the backup hooker for now? He got hit and he dropped and I was just like, oh, you are dead. You are dead. His teammate helped him out and then he could not keep himself upright. I was like, you need to go off right now. Played like two minutes and you had to get sent back off. I was like, yeah, you're done, dude. Bye bye.
00:46:25
Speaker
And like, I was like, yeah, that's one of those kids. If you're watching, um, get low in contact and get your head behind the runner, he did neither of those things. Um, yeah, that hurts. And like, I had to watch it a couple of times because like it looked, it did look innocuous live. And like, I kept going back and saying, like, Oh, I miss, I missed it. Like he's just laying there and it's like, Oh no. Show the replay. I'm like, Oh, you did not. That's it. No, he just, yeah.
00:46:54
Speaker
put his head, like, let me attack you with my face. Don't do that. Don't, no, don't do that. Don't do that. Tackle with shoulders, not with our face. Everything will be all right. That's how things, that's how things go very disastrous. Yeah. I feel bad for the kid, but yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Learn that lesson, hopefully. As soon as he wakes up, he'll learn. Yeah. Okay.
00:47:23
Speaker
To Quincy, I guess. I don't know. This was. Blah. Well, OK, let me put it this way. When you're when you have one player. Who gives up what five penalties in the first 12 minutes, some at least four. One one in the loose that would turn into points and then at least three scrum penalties. You're not going to have a good time. So the first one that he gave away
00:47:54
Speaker
somebody that you and I both know said what I thought and said it very loudly from about 10 rows behind me.
Free Jacks' Performance Issues
00:48:03
Speaker
Was it somebody we know?
00:48:05
Speaker
Yes, it was. It was, and it was one of the two, and then you can probably guess which one. You can probably just have a guess at which one it was. It doesn't really matter. One is much more outspoken than the other, so I have a good guess. And I heard, damn it, Kyle. And I was just like, I know exactly who that was that said that. It was very audible in the stadium, by the way. I was like, yeah.
00:48:29
Speaker
I left and like so many people are like, oh, that sucks. And I'm just like, man, as I'm leaving, I'm just like saying under my breath, stop starting Kyle, stop starting Kyle, stop starting Kyle. Like it's a very simple equation. Number one, let's be honest. 40 of these appearances he has for the free jacks are gifts.
00:48:52
Speaker
Right. Their charity. We've been very charitable this year. I hope our tax write-off is very good because we've been very charitable over the last few years because this is like, he's maybe worth... Wait, hold on, hold on. Have we considered that maybe he's like dying of cancer and this is like a make a wish thing?
00:49:09
Speaker
I don't think that's the case. No, he's got too much hair. Yeah, definitely. But it just sucks because like you had a chance at first off, again, same same as with the Quinn's. Like, if you just didn't shit the bed early, and it wasn't the team that shit the bed, it was really one one player. But if you weren't shitting the bed early, like you had a shot late.
00:49:36
Speaker
And maybe if you were, again, that first three points, well, that's a bonus point now. And it also meant that you were in position to get a potential game-winning try.
00:49:48
Speaker
if you didn't have a stupid penalty, right? You know, right off, literally right off the bat. And then again, all those bad scrum, I can't even fucking scrum. What I want to know is like, again, who's watching film? Who's doing analytics? Where are your penalties coming from? Like that's when you're a professional organization. It can't be from the same guy for four times. Right. And you sit there and say nothing's wrong. Right. Like, no, we're going to keep starting him. Like it doesn't,
00:50:14
Speaker
Like Malachi Hala and Fauzi can be our two loose heads. And if you're talking about the eligibility bullshit, listen, we've had Hala on the team every, almost every week and Fauzi's eligible for Canada. So the eligibility is taken care of right there. We don't need to worry about that. So it's like, all right. And then, and then at this point, we're out of excuses.
00:50:35
Speaker
I don't know why Cam did it. It's all day. That's fine. Give me him over freaking Kyle by far. If we need to swap them around, do that. Cam has won us games, let alone kept us in games. That I'm not worried about. I don't get it. I don't get it, and I never will. I'm glad I wasn't there because that would have been like... I remember a couple of weeks ago, I had to bite my tongue.
00:51:05
Speaker
around, you know, some of the free Jack's staff. Right. But like, I've also and yeah, he had a good game that the last time I was there. But at this point, it's you can count them on one hand. Yeah. Like, you know, Kyle's killing you out there. Why does he keep playing? Like I need an answer.
00:51:25
Speaker
We had a team that was so good last year that we... Here's the thing. I think people need to understand. We were so good last year that despite his bad games, which there were many of, we were able to overcome it. We don't have the same ability this year. We can still win this goddamn thing, but we need to open our eyes and understand.
00:51:47
Speaker
There is one player on the field that is absolutely killing us. And I hate that the fact that it's one player, but it is because penalties, penalties, penalties, four times four or five. Almost almost every other game, like look at what we did to Houston two weeks ago. We destroyed them and we and guess who was not in the fucking lineup at all. He was nowhere near the team. He was the he was at home on his butt where he belongs.
00:52:15
Speaker
And I don't care, like if someone's gonna come at me for him, I don't give a shit, okay? You are seeing things with the wrong color glasses. That is the bottom line, okay? Do you wanna just be nice and, oh, we have a local kid. Cool, play Cam, like we said, okay? Play him.
00:52:31
Speaker
It ain't about that, okay? It can no longer be about that. At this point, we're just making excuses because he's a fucking goon, okay? I think it was funny last year because it was like how we beat you and Kyle started and fucked everything up. Imagine how much better it would be if we had a real prop.
00:52:50
Speaker
Man, if we had a real prop, maybe we'd win a game here. We would have won that instead of losing it. We've lost two in Quincy now, by the way. And he featured highly involved as one of the reasons why. In the negative, by the way. Right. Yeah.
00:53:09
Speaker
Anyhoo. Good on Seattle. Like, hey, they beat the team that's in front of them. That's the other thing. That's a damn good team. Fucking Hadding out there. Cobus. Not Cobus. The other one. I've seen such enough of him. Current Johnny. Fucking hell. Like, this is a good team.
00:53:34
Speaker
Yep. Sam Windsor's on this team. Lappetti's on this team. Like, yeah, this is, excuse me. This is a really good team. We could not afford to, you know, care priors on the scene. Like could not afford to fuck around and we did. But if I recall correctly, didn't, didn't, um, free Jack's lose to lead him last year.
MLR Highlights and Conclusion
00:53:54
Speaker
We did. So maybe we can get him back. So we'll see, you know, in July, it's possible. We,
00:54:00
Speaker
We need to firmly pull our heads out of our asses, though. I mean, I'm talking about everybody at the top, too. Right. It's very fortunate that the free jacks are in the East and getting basically a free pass to the playoffs. Yeah, we'll get a top two, probably. So yeah. Yeah. Anyway, whip around. Miami beat New Orleans. Every year, people hype up New Orleans, and then you turn into pfft. Yeah. Like, so overhyped all the time.
00:54:30
Speaker
DC lost to the Sabercat. Sabercat's obviously pissed off. Hounds beat LA and then Legion lost to Utah. Like what happened there? Oh my. That's Snapdragon. Man, I'm sure that, I'm sure coach Danny Lee and staff are scratching their heads like, holy shit, how'd we bottle that? Yikes. Yikes, yikes, yikes, guys. I do not want to be playing them next this coming week. No, I don't either.
00:55:00
Speaker
club or not. Who does play them? Hold on. Let me see. Oh, Houston. Yeah, that's gonna be a fucking battle. Yeah, we're going to LA, LA, where the tacos are excellent. What's this about? Okay. So that is what we have for our readiness pod. We're gonna go flip over to
00:55:28
Speaker
the fantasy time. Yeah, but sorry we missed you last week, but we are happy to be back. We hope you enjoyed it, but we will see you over the fantasy corner. If not, enjoy the rugby this weekend and we appreciate you guys for listening to us. Have a good one all. Later. Cheers. This has been the Dankestee Rugby Yanks podcast.
00:55:59
Speaker
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