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Episode 6: Happy Thanks V-Wing

Artificery Unlimited

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The dudes are back to discuss all things Star Wars Unlimited in the past week.

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Introduction and Guest Welcome

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He said one minute.

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One minute?

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Yeah.

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Oh, well, now we're live now.

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So welcome back to the Artificery Star Wars Unlimited podcast.

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This is episode six, if I remember correctly, when I created this episode file.

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That's right.

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Yep.

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Episode six, because our last episode was a special episode, which released our spoilers and then we didn't record a regular podcast last week.

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So we're back here with episode six.

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Joining me as always, we have Garrett, aka Zero Hour.

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And we have the other Nick, aka Texture.

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Wear my Rebels shirt today.

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He's, yeah, decked out.

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I don't know if anybody noticed my Loth Cat Cat shirt that I wore like two weeks ago, but I like that shirt.

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It's like an AT-AT with cat heads on both sides.

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It's a Loth Cat Cat.

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I don't think I noticed that.

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All right.

Game Spoilers and Card Impact

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Anyway, we've got a lot of stuff we could talk about this week.

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There's a bunch of spoiler cards, at least 10 officially and two that have come from some sort of French event that's going on this weekend.

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So many.

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I'm going to just dub it French TwitchCon because that's probably like... That's the only other time we've seen the giant cards, so...

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It's true.

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That seems to be a trend.

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But I don't know.

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Before we get into that, like, let's cover, like, what have you been playing?

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What's your favorite thing to play lately?

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Have you got any games in?

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I can't remember if I was on late.

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Was I on late night after our spoilers?

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Yep.

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Yeah.

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So that even happened, too.

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So I don't know.

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I'll throw it to Taxter first.

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What have you been playing?

Favorite Characters and Strategy Discussion

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I like Krennic, and I'm glad that he feels good now.

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More good now.

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That's where I'm at.

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He's just fun.

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He's the closest thing to feeling like a controlly thing that I feel like we got.

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I like putting up those big walls and then not having to... He's pretty good at having initiative too because you don't have to use his ability.

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It just works.

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He's just getting units that have synergy.

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I don't know.

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Krennic just flows well with me.

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I know he's maybe not the best, but...

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I haven't played them against a lot of Boba and Sabine, which, as we might see when we talk about the tournament thing, seems to be some of the more popular stuff.

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I believe in Krennic.

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It's like me, you, and Faith on the community discord.

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There's three of us.

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I think Zero likes Krennic too.

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Zero likes Krennic.

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Yes.

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Maybe there's four.

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There's dozens.

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But yeah.

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I don't know.

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He's not very popular, which just seems weird to me.

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And I think it's because his ability is not flashy or splashy.

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Like some people kind of overlook it, but like it's very efficient and does work, like you said, without you having to commit actions to it.

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And the restore this restore is like

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It's noticeable.

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Yeah, like people don't do the math.

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Like when you flip him, they're like, oh, he's a little 2-7.

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Like, what's that doing?

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But like you get a damage on him, makes him a 3-7, and then you get the restore, and that's like a 5 HP swing.

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Like if you have damage to heal off your bases, like that's better than Boba, at least as far as like a board positioning type swing.

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Boba would only 4 attack.

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Good stuff.

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Garrett, what are you playing?

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I was playing a little Thrawn, and then I built a Krennic with Cunning, and I love it.

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Like, Krennic, just, he's a 2, like, you were saying, he's a 2-7.

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Like, he's hard to kill.

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You can't just, you can't just pop him.

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I mean, you can, and people do.

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Sure.

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Just that you keep, people pop Luke right away, people pop, you can pop anything.

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Right.

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But you can't take down, you can't vanquish.

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Like, you can't, you can't kill him out of hand, usually.

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Yeah, you can't,

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There's a lot of ways that Overwomen Garage doesn't get big enough to get him.

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Like, they need specific units.

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I mean, and he is sneaky, where it's like, he might not be the most threatening thing on your board.

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but he might be, but it's hard to say.

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I've been playing him control and it is oppressive.

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Cunning has oppressive cards.

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That's kind of a thing.

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That's interesting.

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So you're playing him with Cunning and I think kind of segwaying into the tournament that happened, everybody's talking about how green villain, everybody's in green villain.

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What makes you want to play Cunning over

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the overwhelming barrage super laser technician.

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I'm more mid-range controlly than I am ramp.

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That's just who I am.

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I like, yeah, I like waylay.

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I like limiting your options.

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Waylay works well.

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I'm still kind of, I'm not great on waylay in general.

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Like, I feel like a lot of times I just sit on it and like, I don't know when this is the right time to play this.

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Cause a lot of time I feel like I'm losing value just playing it.

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Yeah, you definitely want to play it on something more expensive than it is.

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Yeah, but I want to, yeah.

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I'm fine trading costs with it.

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Yeah, I mean, that's fair.

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I think a lot of the mistake that people make with Weylai is you're waiting for their bomb to Weylai.

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And I think if you can get it out early, like if you can bounce something early and just wreck someone's board state on like turn three, it can have huge impacts.

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Yeah, it's more like I just want to get ahead on the board in some way and I don't always feel like waylay is getting me there.

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But sometimes it can.

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Yeah, it's hard to see the value of like the downstream repercussions of if you waylay their creature or

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creature their unit and you get like you're gonna get like board control of some extent like how much extra value does that get you versus essentially they get the card back so i don't know i'm kind of with garrett like i i think you could in the right deck play it like round three round four gets you a solid board control and like you just kind of push some damage through and then if you get to another way or cunning or something even better

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It's not really good versus aggro, though.

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It's just too slow.

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Yeah, that is a problem.

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Too slow.

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Yeah, the value is not there.

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If, like, I'll pay three to bounce your two costs, they're like, okay, I'll put it back out, and it's cheap.

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And you paid more resources to put it back in my hand than it cost me to play it.

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What stuff was I playing?

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I was a guest on Late Night.

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uh the late night uh stream on a saturday last week uh i i kind of i don't know i bounced around a few different things um we played a lot of thron and thron like hasn't been that impressive i think in general is the feeling i got there um but of course he was like new so of course we're gonna play a lot of them um

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What else did I play?

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Uh, I did my Sabine aggro in blue, lost a very close game.

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I still, I'm still a believer in Sabine aggro with security complex.

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Um, she just didn't get there.

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And I did the Vader removal deck again, which I still really like.

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And it got some, it has a really, has it gotten many new cards?

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Uh, it's got a really good one coming up that we got previewed in France.

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Um, Oh yeah.

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Love to go right in there.

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Yeah.

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The Avenger, uh,

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It's like, perfect.

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Like, give me the curve of like Count Dooku, Palpatine, and Avenger at the top end.

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Be like, every one of my units is huge and killing your stuff when it comes into play.

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So just got to get there.

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I actually... Speaking of like Red Blue, I saw Garbage Rollers put up a video that was actually running Red Krennic.

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So even they're coming onto it now, it seems.

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Spoiler, scene one.

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Red Krennic, yeah.

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I do like Red Krennic.

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I don't know if I like it better than Double Command.

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I don't know if I like it over

Tournament Recap and Analysis

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the other ones, but it's cool that it's playable too.

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Yeah, Krennic's one of the best leaders.

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I don't know, if I saw my favorite leaders I've played over the past two weeks, Markin is up there.

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um krennic is up there and boba is up there and like i've seen people ask me like what what do you think the like three best leaders out there right now and i like say tarkin and boba and people are like yeah that makes sense and i'm like then i like krennic and they're like you're crazy i haven't seen as much tarkin around lately but i think that's just because he's been out since like forever now and

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He's a green villain.

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We know what he does.

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Krennic just encourages you to trade and then you get stronger for it.

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How do you not like that?

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I love Krennic.

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Love it.

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And then going on, what we've been playing, I think Nick alluded to it, but there was the first actual tournament for this game hosted on TTS.

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Shout out to, oh God, I forget his name.

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ran the tournament but uh they created a they created a new server for it and uh rish rish i don't know how to pronounce it but he ran a tournament on saturday i didn't get to participate but i'll be hopefully being able to participate in some of the future ones um and it was limited to 16 players so we only saw 16 decks and the breakdown was kind of interesting because i think there was like

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eight bobas like there was a lot of it was a lot of bobas yeah there were six bobas six bobas and most of them were green i think there's one red uh there was four sabines uh and then the rest was just like a mishmash of like there was like one vader one krennic i think it was actually only 14 too so it that was like most of the meta

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Yeah, no Tarkins.

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That was like the most surprising thing.

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Like, I knew people would be all up on Boba and friggin' Sabine, but nobody brought Tarkin, which seemed real weird to me.

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And then, yeah, the top four ended up being two Bobas, a Krennic, and a Vader, and the Vader ended up taking it all down.

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Thoughts?

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Garrett, what do you think?

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I mean, Vader's good.

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I don't think that's surprising to anybody.

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I'm people pretty surprised that Vader won.

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There was a lot of Vader is dead after they revealed No Good to Me dead.

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I definitely heard that.

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Vader's unplayable now.

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He still really could.

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I know.

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I don't know if he's going to end up being the best leader, but that ability, you have to account for it.

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It's damage every turn as long as they're playing for it.

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And then when he comes out, he's scary.

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He's still Vader.

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He's still going to be scary.

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FFG does not make a Star Wars game where Vader is not scary.

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It's just the way it is.

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Yeah, and I think people really, like, they saw the No Good to Me Dead, and they're like, oh, it kills Vader.

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But, like, I think with No Good to Me Dead, there's a problem, and we saw this in, like, the Top Cup videos, and I think they're pretty, like, they're out there somewhere if you want to rewatch them.

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But, like, if Vader versus Boba, like, keeps the board, like, even or empty, like, up to when Vader flips, playing No Good to Me Dead to, like, tap down a Vader while you have, like, no board to speak of doesn't feel great.

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It's like, yeah, Vader's exhausted, but

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But he's still there, and he's going to be back in two rounds.

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And you don't have a board.

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And he can still barrage off of him.

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He's still barrage off of him, too, which is huge.

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Barrage, lightsaber.

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Yeah, lightsaber on him, barrage on him.

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Yeah, that was interesting.

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I think looking at... It was Thor... Thorque?

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Thorque, I think, yeah.

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Oh, he's trying to pronounce people's names.

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Who was playing the deck.

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And, like, his list was interesting because he was running the full complement of three...

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fallen lightsabers and three Vader lightsabers, which I thought was interesting.

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Cause like, I don't know if you wanted to put like the only, they played, they locked in the list before fifth brother was spoiled.

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So he couldn't play fifth brother in the list.

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So like the fallen lightsaber kind of only worked on Vader, but I guess it's still kind of useful to like put on other stuff.

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Play it on stuff.

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Put it on a cell block guard.

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You get a six, six sentinel light.

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Yeah, that's probably fine.

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Sure.

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Use your no good to me down on my 6-6 Sentinel.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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And then the secret tech that I... I don't know if it's a secret tech.

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That might be giving it too much credit.

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But I think at least as far as Krennic and the Vader went, they were both running Green Villain.

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And both of them ran the three resupplies main deck.

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They weren't side deck, which...

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I think is a great call.

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Like if you think that the meta is going to be a lot of Boba, like, cause Boba Boba's whole thing is like, he's got a bunch of ways to punish you playing units.

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Like he's got like boss in the Boba unit and they're not like super efficient as just hitting your base.

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So like if you're running the resupplies, you can legit just take a turn off and resupply and Boba can't really punish you for it.

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not very efficiently.

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Boba starts punishing you after he comes out and has that big turn, if you have stuff for it to kill, and then the Firespray that comes... It's like 5 and 6 is when Boba really shines, because the Boba Deploy and Firespray are both pretty big.

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Yeah.

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Break points for it.

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But I guess there's a point, like, okay, so if Boba's, like...

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you know, 30, 40, 50% of the meta.

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What kind of decks do you play to be Boba?

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Do you guys got any suggestions?

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Like what should people try?

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I'll throw it to Nick.

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What would you do?

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I don't know.

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I haven't played against enough green Boba.

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Um,

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Like, I don't think a lot of that is still, like, topping out at, like, six mana.

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Like, I think, like, all those lists were pretty much topping out at, like, Gladiators and Firesprays, right?

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Like, none of them were trying to run the huge stuff.

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They weren't.

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They pretty much top out at Firespray.

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I wouldn't have felt bad taking Krennic into it.

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I don't know how Sabine would do against... I didn't watch too many Sabine versus Bobas.

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I didn't watch all the matches for that tournament.

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I don't like aggro, but Sabine still seemed like it wasn't a bad choice.

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Yeah, like, they didn't do great.

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I think only one Sabine made it out of their pod.

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The format of the event was kind of weird.

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It wasn't like straight Swiss.

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They ran, like,

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round robin pods and then like a winner would come out of a pod or something i don't i don't know how they did it but like i don't think any none of the sabines made it to the top four anyway okay what's it wasn't great for sabine um but yeah i do like the krennic yeah uh garrick did if if i had to beat boba do you have any insights

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I mean, control.

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Run low units and control, and you have to play a tempo game against Boba, because you kind of don't care that much about initiative, maybe, against Boba, because if they're going first, Boba's just going to be waiting until you attack, so you just have to play around that if you can.

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Run space, go a little bit heavier on the space side.

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I mean, they're going to run fire spray, but

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boba can't hit you can't hit your space units boss can but boba can't that's a good point outside of fire spray they don't have a lot of space and well and every boba is going to run in tie defenders as well yes tie defenders are a great card i was seeing a lot of bobas um

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the energy conversion lab on the free and tide offenders.

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It was doing work.

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I think that's also worth discussing, the fact that every deck took a 25 health base.

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Yes.

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There's been many debates on various places of will the 30 health bases be constructed viable or is everyone just going to take a 25 health base?

Deck Building and Health Base Debate

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First tournament,

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14 or whatever decks, everyone took a 25 health base.

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I don't know why you wouldn't.

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I mean... I think a 30 health base is definitely viable.

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I... I don't know why.

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The faster you are, the more likely you are to take a special base.

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Because if you know that you're going to be the aggressor in most of your matchups, I think that makes sense.

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If I'm playing a control deck, I mean...

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The only one that I really care about as a control deck is maybe energy conversion lab because it's the only thing that that straight up gives you a good trade.

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I feel like on the board like that you control like the shield can be good, but you don't necessarily control when or how it gets removed.

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you're guaranteed to probably save four on your base with the cunning base.

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I mean, Jedha, if you're... Like, for my credit deck, I run Jedha, because that's just another... I mean, I probably would too.

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So, like, I've just... I've taken one of your four heavy hitters out of the round.

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He's done.

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Well, let's put it this way.

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So, like, if red's going to be a control-ish color for villain as an option, and I want to run...

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Krennic with red, I'm not taking Tarkintown, most likely.

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Like, I don't... Tarkintown can be fine, but... I might need the health.

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I don't know.

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It's not on everything.

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I don't think it's going to be auto-included in every deck.

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At least not for me.

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Tarkintown with Krennic sounds good, though, because you can drop a Death Trooper into Tarkintown.

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You can trade and then use Tarkintown.

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That is true in the fact that Krennic does uniquely have some access to some units that are good at pinging like that.

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Yeah, I think an argument, at least for the 25 health bases, is that skilled... The blue one feels the worst to me.

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Yeah, but yeah, I was going to say skilled players are going to probably generally gravitate to whatever gives them the more options during the game over health.

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And that, I don't know, I think that tends to lead, like, you know, players towards the, like, I would rather, like, five health isn't necessarily worth as much as just having options.

00:19:26

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So, and that's what most of me... That's how much aggro's in the meta, too.

00:19:30

Speaker

If I'm playing a controlly deck, and there's a ton of aggro, and I can't sideboard my base, I might just need the extra health baseline.

00:19:37

Speaker

That's true.

00:19:38

Speaker

I mean, Krennic's also another good reason to run the 25 healths because he has that restore too.

00:19:43

Speaker

So like, you know, you're losing five up front, but he's getting you 10, maybe, maybe more.

00:19:51

Speaker

That would be really good if he got you 10.

00:19:55

Speaker

That's a lot.

00:19:56

Speaker

I need to see someone run like the super base health deck, run the 30 health base, run...

00:20:02

Speaker

Like Krennic, run the repairs.

00:20:04

Speaker

Oh, I like the idea of just like healing, healing, healing.

00:20:08

Speaker

Is it like the white deck essentially?

00:20:10

Speaker

You have to do 57 damage to defeat me.

00:20:12

Speaker

Good luck.

00:20:12

Speaker

Yeah, that does sound kind of awesome.

00:20:14

Speaker

So right now, the thing is like hero blue green is probably the best you got for that.

00:20:20

Speaker

So like you run like a loot with green and home one and Yoda and Kanan and all that.

00:20:25

Speaker

Like that has the most restore keywords right now.

00:20:30

Speaker

Yep.

00:20:32

Speaker

You can even run Vigilance.

00:20:34

Speaker

Yeah.

00:20:37

Speaker

I think Krennic might make an okay double blue deck in the end.

00:20:42

Speaker

I don't know that it's there now, but... I mean, we'll have to see what other double aspect cards there are, like, if there are any more in the set.

00:20:51

Speaker

Yeah.

00:20:52

Speaker

I assume there will be, but... Yeah, just have more blue stuff in general to fill out the curve.

00:20:57

Speaker

Like, we haven't seen everything.

00:21:00

Speaker

Like...

00:21:01

Speaker

That's the hard part of running the double aspect decks is just we have half a set and probably half of most of these aspects.

00:21:07

Speaker

And that's the thing that limits your card choices the most.

00:21:10

Speaker

Yeah.

00:21:12

Speaker

Yeah, but I don't know.

00:21:13

Speaker

I would say that the last thing, at least in regards to the tournament and just the games I played on Saturday with the late night crew is like, even for just having half the set, I'm like super impressed with like how many different decks there are out there to play.

00:21:26

Speaker

Like it's, it's not, not to like, you know, just,

00:21:32

Speaker

you know, pump the game's ego so much.

00:21:35

Speaker

Um, I don't know.

00:21:36

Speaker

Brown knows.

00:21:37

Speaker

I don't know what to call it.

00:21:38

Speaker

But anyway, I feel like the game is in a really awesome place already and it's only going to get awesomer as we get more cards.

00:21:45

Speaker

Like just by looking at the, like I look at my decks on SW UDB, SWDB.

00:21:52

Speaker

I'm like, I have like 10 decks and they all feel different with different leaders and we have half a set.

00:22:00

Speaker

That's similar.

00:22:00

Speaker

I agree.

00:22:02

Speaker

I mean, I think pretty much every leader right now is viable except maybe IG-88 and Terra, and that's just because we don't have the cards for them.

00:22:11

Speaker

I think Terra's more viable than freaking Grand Inquisitor.

00:22:15

Speaker

I don't know.

00:22:16

Speaker

Now that we have... Now that we got Fifth Brother or whatever... He's got one guy.

00:22:21

Speaker

He's got one card that's good with him, you know?

00:22:23

Speaker

He's better than zero.

00:22:25

Speaker

Ready to go.

00:22:27

Speaker

Yeah, that was something that came up on Late Night, too.

Game Meta and Card Analysis

00:22:30

Speaker

Two of the guys played the IG-88 versus Grand Inquisitor matchup, and Grand Inquisitor got absolutely smashed.

00:22:40

Speaker

There's a lot of shenanigans that you can pull off with it, though.

00:22:44

Speaker

I feel like if you have the right units.

00:22:45

Speaker

It's just we don't have the units...

00:22:48

Speaker

that pair with it yet.

00:22:49

Speaker

At least not with what I've seen.

00:22:50

Speaker

I don't know.

00:22:50

Speaker

Have people just been running grand inquisitor mono red most of the time?

00:22:54

Speaker

That also might be a problem.

00:22:55

Speaker

I don't know.

00:22:56

Speaker

Like, yeah, but you're right.

00:22:57

Speaker

He doesn't have enough stuff that he can use his ability on or, and then on top of that, like stuff that has like grit or like, you know, fifth brother's ability where like you feel good to use his ability on drop a, drop a light fallen lightsaber on the braggart and grand inquisitor is real good.

00:23:14

Speaker

Yeah.

00:23:15

Speaker

I mean, that's, I feel, too.

00:23:17

Speaker

No, that puts it out of range.

00:23:19

Speaker

It makes him four power, right?

00:23:20

Speaker

No, it's a zero.

00:23:21

Speaker

Oh, no, he's zero.

00:23:22

Speaker

Never mind.

00:23:23

Speaker

Okay, so he's got two combos.

00:23:26

Speaker

The Braggart with the lightsaber, and he's got frickin' fifth brother with his raid stuff.

00:23:33

Speaker

The Braggart with the lightsaber is actually kind of nasty, because that's a 10 damage round two.

00:23:40

Speaker

Yeah, he's got to live the dream.

00:23:41

Speaker

If you can pull it off, that's pretty good.

00:23:44

Speaker

Yeah, so you have two ways to lose.

00:23:45

Speaker

I don't know.

00:23:46

Speaker

Anyway, speaking of Fifth Brother, let's just move into the spoilers that we've seen.

00:23:52

Speaker

Let's start with the big daddy, the grandad, Admiral Thrawn, our new leader that we saw at the end of last week.

00:24:02

Speaker

He is... I didn't tell you guys.

00:24:04

Speaker

I'll put the cards in and post so people can see them.

00:24:07

Speaker

But he's a new leader.

00:24:09

Speaker

He's got the...

00:24:12

Speaker

Nobody thought he was going to be in cunning.

00:24:14

Speaker

He's in cunning.

00:24:15

Speaker

He's cunning villainy.

00:24:17

Speaker

He's not blue, sadly.

00:24:18

Speaker

He is blue, but he's not blue, if you get my drift.

00:24:24

Speaker

The start of the action phase, he gets to look at the top card of each player's deck, and then as an action, he can pay one and exhaust himself to reveal the top card of any player's deck and exhaust you at the cost of the same or less than the revealed card.

00:24:38

Speaker

He has a six resource flip,

00:24:40

Speaker

And then he is a big butted unit at a three power nine HP.

00:24:47

Speaker

Then when the action phase starts, you basically kind of get to do the same thing.

00:24:50

Speaker

You get to look at the seven to seven, the action phase, and then it's on attack.

00:24:53

Speaker

You can reel the top card, exhaust the unit.

00:24:56

Speaker

Garrett, what do you think of Thrawn?

00:24:59

Speaker

You've been playing him.

00:25:01

Speaker

I like him.

00:25:02

Speaker

I think he will benefit from something that punishes initiative because Thrawn is probably not going to have initiative most of the time.

00:25:12

Speaker

But he wants it too.

00:25:14

Speaker

I mean, you always kind of want initiative, but I think just based on Thrawn's ability, you kind of don't care.

00:25:25

Speaker

If you don't care about initiative with Thrawn, you're forcing them to attack with something first.

00:25:31

Speaker

if they think that they're going to get it locked down.

00:25:33

Speaker

That is a good point.

00:25:34

Speaker

The forcing, forcing them to attack, you still are kind of limiting your opponent's options by,

00:25:40

Speaker

I mean, I think Thrawn in this is going to be a lot like Thrawn in Destiny where you have to play a different game with him.

00:25:47

Speaker

Like, you have to... You're not playing the same game.

00:25:51

Speaker

You're playing the long game with Thrawn.

00:25:54

Speaker

You're playing the... I'm fine with this game going to turn 15.

00:25:58

Speaker

Because I'll just lock you down.

00:26:00

Speaker

I also just don't know what color he's going to pair with.

00:26:05

Speaker

That's like my big question.

00:26:06

Speaker

It's like...

00:26:07

Speaker

I don't know.

00:26:08

Speaker

He definitely doesn't seem like he has all the tools he needs to be as effective as I want him to be.

00:26:13

Speaker

And it's possible he might not be this set, too.

00:26:16

Speaker

It's possible that he just needs more set stuff.

00:26:19

Speaker

Honestly, blue... I mean, green's good for ramp.

00:26:23

Speaker

I think I've tried it mostly with green.

00:26:25

Speaker

But blue, I mean, there's the regional governor card we're seeing coming up that also pairs fairly well with Thrawn.

00:26:33

Speaker

And knowing people's hands...

00:26:36

Speaker

I've been running him with blue and mono, cunning.

00:26:42

Speaker

Yeah, I played him at least a game and I watched a lot of games on Saturday, and I feel like he wants to be in whatever color gets the board wipe.

00:26:51

Speaker

I don't know who it is, but...

00:26:54

Speaker

Like that's what not overwhelming barrage, like, like a more, a more definitive.

00:26:59

Speaker

I mean, right now I would probably play him in green because of overwhelming barrage, but I think his ability needs that.

00:27:06

Speaker

Like you're exhausting stuff, but you're not removing it.

00:27:10

Speaker

So you're stalling.

00:27:12

Speaker

But like, he, he needs that like payoff of like, what am I stalling to?

00:27:15

Speaker

I need to be able to like play something that like clears the board or locks it down.

00:27:20

Speaker

And like none of our end games are quite that good.

00:27:23

Speaker

Like the best thing we have is overwhelming barrage.

00:27:26

Speaker

But I think by the time you hit the point, like if you're expending resources into his leader side to tap, you know, to exhaust stuff down, like you need something that really like gives you the value back from your resources you've been spending.

00:27:41

Speaker

And like even overwhelming barrage feels like it comes up a little bit short sometimes.

00:27:46

Speaker

Um,

00:27:47

Speaker

Yeah.

00:27:48

Speaker

So I don't know.

00:27:48

Speaker

Like, I'm assuming like some color is going to get the just defeat every unit card.

00:27:55

Speaker

And that's what he wants.

00:27:56

Speaker

Like, he wants to stall into the board reset and then let's go from there.

Thrawn and Color Synergies

00:28:03

Speaker

I mean, I definitely want to see more big removal.

00:28:06

Speaker

That isn't just the one that we have.

00:28:10

Speaker

Even like a flamestrike from like Hearthstone is just like, pay seven, deal four to every enemy.

00:28:15

Speaker

I was like, that seems really good.

00:28:17

Speaker

Obviously it might not be those same stats, but just like something that's just like, yeah, just like doesn't have to be based on you.

00:28:23

Speaker

That seems like a red thing to me where like, I just want to deal damage to a bunch of stuff.

00:28:27

Speaker

Boom.

00:28:28

Speaker

Do it, right?

00:28:29

Speaker

Yeah.

00:28:30

Speaker

Red's a color.

00:28:30

Speaker

If you want to do it, you just do it.

00:28:32

Speaker

Yeah.

00:28:33

Speaker

Just give me the kill everything.

00:28:36

Speaker

If I just want you to die, just do it.

00:28:38

Speaker

Yeah, but I think that's something that, like, turns off, like, using Thrawn.

00:28:41

Speaker

Like, I think Thrawn's leader-side ability in the early rounds is, like, a trap.

00:28:47

Speaker

Like, without having that, like, I can't, like, on round two, three, four, like, it feels bad to pay a resource to tap something down.

00:28:57

Speaker

knowing that I don't have like any over the top thing to stall into.

00:29:01

Speaker

It's like, I'm just spending my resources and not controlling the board, like not getting the board control.

00:29:07

Speaker

Like, yeah, I'm tapping.

00:29:08

Speaker

You're not gaining the better position, but it's still there.

00:29:11

Speaker

Base health over actually regaining control of the board.

00:29:15

Speaker

Yeah.

00:29:16

Speaker

I'm going to keep playing smaller units, you know, but they're not getting me board control back.

00:29:23

Speaker

I think that's a problem.

00:29:24

Speaker

At least like it,

00:29:26

Speaker

with his leader side.

00:29:28

Speaker

It's just you can't use it early.

00:29:30

Speaker

It's a trap.

00:29:32

Speaker

It's late.

00:29:33

Speaker

Maybe after he flips and dies, you might be okay to use it.

00:29:37

Speaker

But early, it's just a mistake because under-dropping stuff just to get a tap off doesn't feel great.

00:29:43

Speaker

He combos so well with Boba, though.

00:29:47

Speaker

You exhaust your unit and then you hit it with Boba.

00:29:50

Speaker

Yeah, a little Boba.

00:29:51

Speaker

Yeah, it is very good with that.

00:29:55

Speaker

Yeah, no, that's fine.

00:29:57

Speaker

That's more midrange you play.

00:29:58

Speaker

I think that's the only way you can build him now.

00:30:03

Speaker

Which is also why I feel compelled to have Bossk at that deck too.

00:30:08

Speaker

I mean, as of now, I think you probably put that in all yellow villain.

00:30:10

Speaker

But it's like, man, if I can get Bossk to stick and I'm also running all these events and stuff, that gives me the damage.

00:30:18

Speaker

Yeah, I can exhaust your stuff, but maybe I can also swing back a little more with Bossk.

00:30:23

Speaker

Yeah, and I think that's the problem, though, is that once you get to the point where, like, I gotta play Thrawn midrange, you just go, why am I just not playing Boba?

00:30:31

Speaker

And, like, just expanding my midrange turns with more resources to do tricky things.

00:30:36

Speaker

Yeah.

00:30:38

Speaker

Anyway, moving on to the next card.

00:30:42

Speaker

What's on the Swoopy Bee?

00:30:44

Speaker

The Outer Rim Headhunter.

00:30:46

Speaker

Uh, not, not a super amazing card.

00:30:49

Speaker

It's a, it's a single aspect cunning, uh, space unit cost two.

00:30:54

Speaker

Uh, it is a one power three HP, but it has raid one and then has an ability of on attack.

00:30:59

Speaker

You can, if you control a leader unit, you may exhaust a non leader unit.

00:31:04

Speaker

Tack.

00:31:04

Speaker

What do you think of this one?

00:31:07

Speaker

It feels worse than the A-Wing.

00:31:11

Speaker

Because it dies to the A-Wing and can't kill it, but I mean... I immediately put it into my Sabine alongside the A-Wing.

00:31:18

Speaker

I mean, that's fair.

00:31:19

Speaker

If you're ready, you can kill the Sabine.

00:31:21

Speaker

Yeah, and Sabine, it also even makes the most sense because the ability is basically free if you have an early leader.

00:31:28

Speaker

That's going to come out.

00:31:29

Speaker

Like, just get a free exhaust just for using this.

00:31:34

Speaker

That does seem really good.

00:31:36

Speaker

I don't know who you're playing this in.

00:31:38

Speaker

I don't know that I really want to be putting this in a Thrawn deck.

00:31:41

Speaker

Maybe it's fine in a Boba.

00:31:45

Speaker

Yeah, maybe Boba.

00:31:46

Speaker

I definitely like my yellow Sabine immediately put it in.

00:31:49

Speaker

Because it's like, why not?

00:31:51

Speaker

That Sabine deck is, I think, about pretty much even ground and space units now.

00:31:56

Speaker

And the Outer Rim Headhunter with the early flips Sabine, like you said, it feels fine.

00:32:02

Speaker

If you're actually playing Yellow Krennic, I actually would put that in Yellow Krennic.

00:32:06

Speaker

That actually seems... Oh, this is actually a first spaceship that I think of that actually feels good.

00:32:12

Speaker

It kind of reminds me of the Ark, where it's actually a 2-3, basically, when it comes out, which is... Villa doesn't really have a lot of that.

00:32:20

Speaker

I run it in my Krennic.

00:32:22

Speaker

I don't have a lot of 1 and 2 costers in there, so it needed something.

New Cards and Strategic Implications

00:32:31

Speaker

Yep.

00:32:32

Speaker

Next card, the Regional Governor.

00:32:33

Speaker

This one's a fun card.

00:32:37

Speaker

Had a lot of fun discussions about it when it was spoiled.

00:32:40

Speaker

So it's a two-cost, single-aspect command unit, or single-aspect vigilance unit, ground unit, one power, four HP.

00:32:52

Speaker

When played, it's one of these fun things.

00:32:54

Speaker

You get to name a card, and while this unit's in play, opponents can't play the named card.

00:32:59

Speaker

And we had a clarification.

00:33:00

Speaker

I was actually wrong on my initial understanding of the ruling on this one.

00:33:04

Speaker

If you name, say, Luke Skywalker, they can't play any card named Luke Skywalker.

00:33:09

Speaker

That's really weird to me, still.

00:33:11

Speaker

It is.

00:33:13

Speaker

Not what I would have expected.

00:33:14

Speaker

That does not include a leader, though, right?

00:33:17

Speaker

No, that would be unfair.

00:33:18

Speaker

Leaders aren't played.

00:33:19

Speaker

They're deployed.

00:33:21

Speaker

So not super relevant until we get multiple copies.

00:33:24

Speaker

I don't expect we're getting multiple copies of...

00:33:28

Speaker

the same unit in this set.

00:33:30

Speaker

Like we've seen a unit and a leader, but I can't imagine when we see two units of the same thing in the, in the same, if, if, if we do, it's going to be Luke or Vader.

00:33:40

Speaker

That's true.

00:33:43

Speaker

So that is a weird rule.

00:33:44

Speaker

But when I read it, let's name a card.

00:33:47

Speaker

Like,

00:33:49

Speaker

I didn't think of name a name.

00:33:51

Speaker

I thought name a card.

00:33:53

Speaker

A card is a very specific thing.

00:33:55

Speaker

It does say name a card, not name a name.

00:33:57

Speaker

Yeah, like Luke Skywalker is not a... It could be the name of a card, but a card... If I'm identifying a specific card, Luke Skywalker does not identify which Luke Skywalker is.

00:34:10

Speaker

Just wait until we get the Luke Skywalker event, then you'll really be screwed.

00:34:16

Speaker

Luke Skywalker!

00:34:18

Speaker

Luke Skywalker event Luke Skywalker upgrade Luke Skywalker base yeah no like I reach I double reached out to Tyler after he posted his tweet just to check and he's like no that's the way it works um yeah I would like better wording on it but you know it is what it is you know they tell me how it works that's how it works um but yeah as far as like how to like

00:34:40

Speaker

Playing this, like, I really like this card, even right now.

00:34:44

Speaker

This seems like one of the best cards in the game to me.

00:34:47

Speaker

This is like, I like blue.

00:34:49

Speaker

This makes me like blue even more.

00:34:50

Speaker

This is like super cool.

00:34:52

Speaker

Like, two drop that says like, if I nail the thing that I'm most scared of and force you to attack it, like, I want to drop this against the beam and be like, surprise strike.

00:35:03

Speaker

None of that.

00:35:03

Speaker

None of that bullshit.

00:35:05

Speaker

None of that bullshit.

00:35:07

Speaker

It's got four health.

00:35:08

Speaker

It's not a pushover.

00:35:10

Speaker

If I make Sabine spend four health worth of damage on this thing, I feel great.

00:35:17

Speaker

yeah like the one attack the one power is the downside but it's an imperial and an official so tarkin yeah it's got super well with that whole thing yeah it works with tarkin works with krennic works with the emperor's royal guard like if you're just doing that curve where you're like i play this guy and then now my emperor's royal guard is the sentinel to protect it so you can't kill it and you still can't play that card like

00:35:44

Speaker

And if I get someone to burn their open fire on the regional governor just to get it off the board, that feels like a win because I'm getting the resource advantage.

00:35:55

Speaker

Yeah.

00:35:55

Speaker

I like it a lot.

00:35:57

Speaker

Yeah, even if you play that and then Sabine hits it on the second round with open fire, well, they didn't play a unit that round.

00:36:02

Speaker

They literally spent their entire round killing your thing.

00:36:05

Speaker

Yeah, and spent more resources than what you spent on the unit.

00:36:08

Speaker

They spent three for an open fire to kill a two-cost unit just so they could unlock the ability to play the card that you named.

00:36:15

Speaker

At the very least, it's a sideboard card.

00:36:18

Speaker

Yeah.

00:36:20

Speaker

I'm very compelled to put it in every blue deck.

00:36:23

Speaker

Just straight up.

00:36:25

Speaker

Yeah, I don't know.

00:36:25

Speaker

I think it has less synergy with the hero blue deck.

00:36:28

Speaker

I don't know about hero blue deck.

00:36:30

Speaker

That's possibly true.

00:36:31

Speaker

I mean, yes, it doesn't have the synergy because of the Imperial and stuff, but the actual ability is still... We don't have a hero leader that does... Krennic can synergize with just it having a big butt.

00:36:43

Speaker

and getting, you know, damaged when he gets the power.

00:36:47

Speaker

Tarkin synergizes with the Imperial.

00:36:50

Speaker

Doesn't synergize, obviously, with any Rebel thing.

00:36:52

Speaker

So, I don't know.

00:36:53

Speaker

I think it's obviously you're going to play it probably more in Imperials, less in, you know, villains, less in... Well, and, like, I think Luke, you, like... Luke can't shield it, sadly.

00:37:04

Speaker

He can't shield it, but... Shield it would be amazing.

00:37:07

Speaker

Well, he can shield it after he looks, I guess.

00:37:10

Speaker

you can play spark a rebellion.

00:37:12

Speaker

So, you know, what's in their hand and then play this thing.

00:37:16

Speaker

Name it.

00:37:17

Speaker

You and your villain.

00:37:18

Speaker

It also has probe droid, which, which helps too.

00:37:22

Speaker

Yep.

00:37:24

Speaker

Yeah.

00:37:25

Speaker

Target target or a thrown with probe droid and regional governor can hit a lot of what he wants.

00:37:34

Speaker

Um,

00:37:35

Speaker

Yeah, moving on to the next card.

00:37:37

Speaker

The Black One.

00:37:38

Speaker

This is Poe's ship.

00:37:40

Speaker

It's a six-cost, aggressive, heroic space unit.

00:37:48

Speaker

When played and when defeated, you can discard your hand, and if you do, you draw three cards.

00:37:53

Speaker

And for the rules clarification, you can discard an empty hand to draw three cards.

00:37:57

Speaker

I think we even got that confirmed.

00:37:59

Speaker

Yeah, that was in the Q&A.

00:38:01

Speaker

So, yeah.

00:38:03

Speaker

Tack, what do you think about the black one?

00:38:06

Speaker

I'm pretty not... I'm not very into that by default.

00:38:11

Speaker

Just 4-4 for 6 doesn't feel great.

00:38:14

Speaker

The card draw... The card draw isn't bad, but it doesn't really gain you a lot of tempo.

00:38:21

Speaker

It's a better body in space than it would be on ground.

00:38:26

Speaker

I haven't tried playing it yet.

00:38:28

Speaker

I definitely don't want to necessarily pull this as a legendary if I'm opening packs, because it's going to be, if it sees play, it's going to be very narrow.

00:38:37

Speaker

And by narrow, I mean like I think it's going to be in Han as of right now.

00:38:41

Speaker

Like I can see a red Han, burn your hand down, play this.

00:38:45

Speaker

That doesn't seem bad.

00:38:47

Speaker

I can actually see this feeling good in Han.

00:38:49

Speaker

And I can't really think of any other places where I'd actually really care.

00:38:52

Speaker

Sabine doesn't really want to be going up to six and then playing this when they could just be doing other stuff.

00:39:00

Speaker

Yeah, Garrett, what do you think?

00:39:03

Speaker

I think... It's a weird one.

00:39:05

Speaker

Because I like everything about it except the 4-4.

00:39:10

Speaker

Yeah.

00:39:11

Speaker

Yeah, agreed.

00:39:12

Speaker

But I think you can play it in a ramp deck since you're burning a bunch of cards already to get to there.

00:39:18

Speaker

Like Han does, kind of.

00:39:20

Speaker

Right.

00:39:21

Speaker

I mean, yeah.

00:39:22

Speaker

If you're running Han, you're probably... If you're running Han Red, you're running this, probably.

00:39:27

Speaker

But in a ramp deck,

00:39:29

Speaker

you're burning so many cards to get that.

00:39:32

Speaker

you're not going to have a big hand anyway by the time this comes out at six.

00:39:37

Speaker

And since it's coming out at six, it's, and you're probably getting there faster.

00:39:42

Speaker

It's probably not bad when you play it.

00:39:47

Speaker

I mean, when defeated, you get to do it as well.

00:39:49

Speaker

So it's, yeah, you could trade something and get three, four cards.

00:39:54

Speaker

So I don't know.

00:39:56

Speaker

It's fine.

00:39:57

Speaker

I don't particularly love it.

00:39:58

Speaker

I don't think it's,

00:40:00

Speaker

I think it's one of the weaker legendaries we've seen, but I don't hate it.

00:40:05

Speaker

I mean, I'm sure we're going to get a full on Imperial rebel synergy with resistance eventually.

00:40:13

Speaker

But like, you know, that's a card that I'll probably see better when it's like, Oh, let's just do a resistance deck with, Oh yeah.

00:40:20

Speaker

I don't know.

00:40:21

Speaker

Like lay a leader in resistance or something with that leader.

00:40:23

Speaker

Like, I'm sure we'll get some stuff like that.

00:40:25

Speaker

Like,

00:40:25

Speaker

The only thing that boosts it right now is Wedge, and you're probably not running Wedge at the moment.

00:40:31

Speaker

No.

00:40:33

Speaker

Yeah, it's something that people would be like, this feels like a top-end aggro card, but like Tack said, I kind of already want to have the game sewed up before I can play Black 1.

00:40:42

Speaker

Like, if I get to Round 5 and I can play Black 1 and draw three more cards that I'm hoping to play going into Round 6 as an aggro deck, I feel like I'm losing horribly already.

00:40:54

Speaker

I don't know.

00:40:56

Speaker

Yeah.

00:40:57

Speaker

And it is a little out of the red wheelhouse from what they kind of described.

00:41:00

Speaker

It's like they said that red hero is supposed to be more of the aggressive aggro-y cards, whereas red villain is more of the more control-y cards.

00:41:10

Speaker

I mean, that's obviously the archetypes, but like mace and black one aren't really aggro cards, you know, like,

00:41:16

Speaker

I know some people put Mason Sabine, but I don't see how that's really... I can see the connection with Black One where people will be like, it's to refill or regass up, maybe, but I just think ideally it's not something you want to do.

00:41:32

Speaker

There will be a deck that uses this well.

00:41:36

Speaker

I don't know what that deck is yet, but there will be one at some point.

00:41:41

Speaker

Yeah.

00:41:41

Speaker

I mean, there could be like an aggressively slanted mid range deck that is maybe using some like, you know, when you use a lot of like shoot first and snapshot reflexes and stuff like that, like you run out of cards quick.

00:41:56

Speaker

Like maybe this fits in there to just be like, I'm mid range and I'm going to refuel up and keep going.

00:42:02

Speaker

And like the middle turns.

00:42:03

Speaker

Cause I've been like, maybe I am using bamboozle that I pitched a card for and I need to make up that card advantage.

00:42:10

Speaker

Like,

00:42:10

Speaker

I think that's the deck that will fit this, but that's hard to imagine right now.

00:42:15

Speaker

It's not really aggro.

00:42:17

Speaker

It's like aggressive mid-range.

00:42:19

Speaker

Even then, it's hard to imagine if that deck's actually going to be a top-tier deck, which it just might never be.

00:42:25

Speaker

The problem is the Gladiator Star Destroyer and Fett's Fire Spray, and they're both six.

00:42:31

Speaker

Yeah, they both kicked the crap out of this thing.

00:42:34

Speaker

What do you do?

00:42:35

Speaker

If you play that and then they play that, it's like,

00:42:38

Speaker

Doesn't feel great to discard your hand again right after.

00:42:41

Speaker

Well, I mean, okay.

00:42:42

Speaker

So like even in an aggro deck, maybe you're like digging for reach.

00:42:46

Speaker

Like that's the other possibility.

00:42:47

Speaker

Like I'm going to play this, you know, draw three cards.

00:42:50

Speaker

Didn't get my reach, kill it, chuck those, draw three more, like try to get to my reach.

00:42:57

Speaker

I mean, it's really wing and a prayer stuff.

00:42:59

Speaker

Like, I don't know.

00:43:00

Speaker

I still don't think it makes a cut in aggro, but like I kind of see if it was five costs,

00:43:08

Speaker

maybe it would have been too good.

00:43:09

Speaker

Like, I wonder if it's like a granular, like a, a, a, falls on the wrong side.

00:43:16

Speaker

Everything's a granularity problem in the end.

00:43:18

Speaker

You need, you need to be doing like on a scale of one to 10,000 and you know, like differences of one piece to be like the most granular, but that would be absurd and uncanny in many ways.

00:43:29

Speaker

But, but yeah, anyway, moving on to that.

00:43:32

Speaker

Problem.

00:43:33

Speaker

Moving on to the next card, also not super impressive, sadly, the Chimera.

00:43:39

Speaker

This is Thrawn's Star Destroyer.

00:43:40

Speaker

That's what I'm most sad about.

00:43:43

Speaker

Yeah, this did make me sad, too.

00:43:46

Speaker

But it is an 8-cost cunning villainy unit, of course, to go with Thrawn.

00:43:51

Speaker

Space unit.

00:43:52

Speaker

It's a Star Destroyer, obviously.

00:43:54

Speaker

It is a hefty 8 power, 7 HP, and it has shielded, so it protects itself.

00:44:01

Speaker

But that's it.

00:44:02

Speaker

Then on attack, you can name a card and an opponent reveals their hand and discards a card with that name from it.

00:44:10

Speaker

Garrett, I think we're up to.

00:44:12

Speaker

What do you think of this one?

00:44:13

Speaker

I mean, I think it's good in Thrawn since you have hand knowledge already.

00:44:20

Speaker

Outside of that, I don't know if I like it very much.

00:44:24

Speaker

I don't know if I like it in Thrawn even.

00:44:27

Speaker

But Thrawn can play to eight resources because you play the stall game.

00:44:32

Speaker

And by the time you drop this, they shouldn't be able to deal with it if you're playing Thrawn correctly.

00:44:40

Speaker

You should be able to drop it, and they shouldn't have an answer for it if you're playing the Thrawn game that Thrawn wants to play.

00:44:51

Speaker

Yeah, I mean, that is the one slightly...

00:44:54

Speaker

redeeming thing about it, I think the people that have been bagging on it like a little too hard is...

00:45:00

Speaker

No, actually, if it was on play, it would be so much better, actually.

00:45:04

Speaker

Oh, yes, it would be.

00:45:05

Speaker

On attack is what makes it garbage.

00:45:09

Speaker

100%.

00:45:09

Speaker

If it was on played and on attack, or even just one time on played, it would be significantly more playable.

00:45:15

Speaker

Right, that's the thing.

00:45:16

Speaker

If it was on played and you could name, like, I'm going to play this and name Vanquish or Waylay or whatever the hell I'm afraid of that you might just instantly, like, you know, just take it out with.

00:45:26

Speaker

It'd be way better.

00:45:27

Speaker

But I can't do that.

00:45:28

Speaker

Like, you know, if you have some way to give it ambush, which would be like Piet.

00:45:32

Speaker

Is it?

00:45:33

Speaker

That's it.

00:45:34

Speaker

Piet and the Chimera, fine, but that's a 10 resource two card combo.

00:45:40

Speaker

Anyway.

00:45:41

Speaker

Yeah, no.

00:45:42

Speaker

I just, I think it's fine in Thrawn if you're playing the game that Thrawn wants to play.

00:45:47

Speaker

But like, if you're not using Thrawn, I don't,

00:45:52

Speaker

I don't know if you run it in Cunning because you shouldn't need it in Cunning at that point.

00:45:57

Speaker

No, it's way late game.

00:46:01

Speaker

I don't know.

00:46:02

Speaker

It's just really weird.

00:46:04

Speaker

On Played would have made it so much better.

00:46:06

Speaker

I mean, you probably played in Draft either way.

00:46:09

Speaker

Was that?

00:46:10

Speaker

I said I'd play it in Limited either way because it's just a big beefy thing you can't kill.

00:46:15

Speaker

Yeah, even in limited, we've got to see if we can get up to eight resources in limited.

00:46:19

Speaker

It feels like a lot.

00:46:21

Speaker

It helps.

00:46:22

Speaker

You hear like, I hope we can get to eight.

00:46:25

Speaker

Yeah, I guess that's the main thing.

00:46:27

Speaker

It's hard to play an eight cost anything that can't immediately impact the board in some way.

00:46:33

Speaker

It's not sentinel.

00:46:34

Speaker

It's not ambush.

00:46:36

Speaker

It doesn't have the ability that does anything.

00:46:39

Speaker

I don't even, like, that's the same... The Relentless, another big Star Destroyer, doesn't...

00:46:47

Speaker

It kind of affects play, and then it makes it so they can't remove it, but it also doesn't actually catch you up that early.

00:46:53

Speaker

I like Relentless.

00:46:54

Speaker

Yeah, it doesn't catch you up, but I like Relentless infinitely more because of the ability to shut down events does affect the board immediately.

00:47:03

Speaker

It does.

00:47:05

Speaker

I mean, of the four Star Destroyers that are... Right, four?

00:47:09

Speaker

There's four now?

00:47:10

Speaker

This is the worst?

00:47:10

Speaker

Revenator, Chimera, Relentless... Avenger.

00:47:14

Speaker

Avenger.

00:47:16

Speaker

This is the worst.

00:47:17

Speaker

This is the worst.

00:47:19

Speaker

And it's sad because Thrawn's the best.

00:47:22

Speaker

And it's the worst because it literally has no impact when you play it, I think is the big thing.

00:47:26

Speaker

Like Relentless, you know, if you're going against the other control deck or the other deck that's had a lot of events, like that's super impactful.

00:47:36

Speaker

Like that's the one thing that the Vader green deck and the credit green deck, when they both went to Relentless, and if you dropped Relentless versus Boba,

00:47:44

Speaker

You kind of win.

00:47:45

Speaker

Very sad.

00:47:47

Speaker

Because he's like, all of my tricks are events.

00:47:51

Speaker

Can't get rid of this guy.

00:47:53

Speaker

I can't no good to me dead him.

00:47:54

Speaker

I can't waylay him.

00:47:57

Speaker

He's going to hit me in the face.

00:47:58

Speaker

Yeah, anyway.

00:48:03

Speaker

Chimera, sad.

00:48:05

Speaker

Moving on to the next one.

00:48:07

Speaker

Tiny card.

00:48:07

Speaker

Patrolling V-Wing.

00:48:09

Speaker

Two cost green.

00:48:11

Speaker

very tiny man yeah unit the space unit one one when played draw a card god i heard i don't know if this is anything other than like limited filler but what do you think garrett uh yeah it's yeah you get a card out of it so like it's not awful and it's still a body in space but like he'll swing leader

00:48:35

Speaker

Yeah.

00:48:36

Speaker

Does kill the wing.

00:48:37

Speaker

I mean, I think for two, I'm, I'm playing a tie fighter or, or the headhunter.

00:48:42

Speaker

Like, I don't, I think it's a card looking for a deck though.

00:48:46

Speaker

I don't straight up hate.

00:48:47

Speaker

Like, yeah, I hate it with what we have, but like, I think I put this on discord.

00:48:51

Speaker

Like if we get stuff to combo it with, like, if I just get stuff that I don't care how big my unit is, I just want a unit.

00:48:59

Speaker

and like i can do stuff that like defeat a unit to do something or maybe i can yeah surprise strike it into something that isn't a bad play but like that's the kind of stuff it's looking for and we don't really have that yeah yeah it doesn't have a home yet i'm not outright like ruling it out it just doesn't i'm not excited about it if that makes sense

00:49:23

Speaker

Yeah.

00:49:23

Speaker

I need to buy like kamikaze your ship into something kind of thing.

00:49:26

Speaker

Like then we're looking at something.

00:49:28

Speaker

Maybe we can play.

00:49:31

Speaker

Um, and I'll just move on to the way more exciting fifth brother, uh, three costs, aggression, villainy unit,

00:49:39

Speaker

ground unit obviously it's a two four it is a force unit which is notable at least for villains because they've been lacking force yeah the force stuff um its text is this unit gets raid one for each damage on him so it's kind of like grit but only while attacking um and then on attack you can deal one damage to him and deal one damage to another ground unit uh texture give me your thoughts on the fifth brother

00:50:08

Speaker

When I first saw him, I was a little like... It's hard to feel like he's a math-heavy card, just to figure out where's the value with this guy.

00:50:18

Speaker

I think he's really good.

00:50:19

Speaker

My first impression was, I'm not sure where he is, just because he's got Yoda stats, baseline, but he doesn't restore, he doesn't draw you a card when he dies.

00:50:32

Speaker

If you play this guy out, and he gets traded into on the round that you play him,

00:50:38

Speaker

That's bad.

00:50:38

Speaker

He's not killing anything and he just feels bad.

00:50:41

Speaker

He's like just bad.

00:50:44

Speaker

But like he actually gets the tax off.

00:50:48

Speaker

He's going to punch up for sure.

00:50:50

Speaker

Like baseline he punches for four essentially.

00:50:53

Speaker

Right.

00:50:54

Speaker

Yep.

00:50:54

Speaker

That's four.

00:50:55

Speaker

Yeah.

00:50:56

Speaker

Four.

00:50:56

Speaker

Five.

00:50:58

Speaker

Right.

00:51:00

Speaker

Wait.

00:51:00

Speaker

Too late.

00:51:03

Speaker

So it's one.

00:51:04

Speaker

If you get Krennic, it's five.

00:51:06

Speaker

Five and Krennic.

00:51:08

Speaker

Five and Krennic.

00:51:09

Speaker

Good point there.

00:51:11

Speaker

Which actually is not bad.

00:51:12

Speaker

And it's the first thing that actually plays well with Grand Inquisitor.

00:51:20

Speaker

So you play him out, you deal two damage to him with Grand Inquisitor, ready him, attack with him.

00:51:27

Speaker

Now you're at a six, seven, or eight.

00:51:31

Speaker

So this is math.

00:51:33

Speaker

Two plus three plus one.

00:51:35

Speaker

You get them up to five.

00:51:38

Speaker

Six total damage.

00:51:39

Speaker

Yeah.

00:51:40

Speaker

You do six.

00:51:41

Speaker

Yeah.

00:51:41

Speaker

Or you get your base.

00:51:43

Speaker

Or five to base and one to a unit or something like that.

00:51:48

Speaker

He's cool.

00:51:49

Speaker

It seems like something as of right now.

00:51:52

Speaker

We just don't have a lot that fits in that slot for Villain Red.

00:51:55

Speaker

As of now, it's like, yeah, I think every Villain Red is putting him in the game.

00:52:00

Speaker

I would.

00:52:01

Speaker

He's the best thing we have.

00:52:03

Speaker

A 2-4 for 3 is still pretty solid.

00:52:08

Speaker

Yeah, I think even Thork mentioning his Vader deck, he's like, if he could have, he would have had this.

00:52:13

Speaker

There are three copies.

00:52:13

Speaker

Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:52:16

Speaker

He trades evenly with Ezra.

00:52:19

Speaker

Yep.

00:52:22

Speaker

Yeah, and you can throw Fallen Lightsaber on him.

00:52:28

Speaker

Or any of the 3-4s.

00:52:29

Speaker

Yeah, that is also kind of the first cheap target.

00:52:33

Speaker

Full text.

00:52:36

Speaker

It binds on him.

00:52:39

Speaker

If you're in blue, he deals damage to himself, and then you can heal it and throw it at other stuff because he's also a Force unit.

00:52:47

Speaker

I still think we need a few more cheaper force people before I start running at Binds and Villain.

00:52:55

Speaker

Yeah.

00:52:56

Speaker

No, that's for sure.

00:52:57

Speaker

But he's one step closer.

00:52:59

Speaker

I imagine there's other Inquisitors we're going to see.

00:53:03

Speaker

Hopefully.

00:53:04

Speaker

Fingers crossed.

00:53:05

Speaker

Yeah.

00:53:07

Speaker

um yes moving on to the next card snapshot reflexes uh it's a one cost yellow upgrade cunning upgrade just single cunning aspect it's a plus one plus one plug one power plus one hp and then when played you can just attack with the attached unit pretty simple garrett what do you think of the snapshot reflexes

00:53:27

Speaker

Great tempo card.

00:53:28

Speaker

I mean, getting a plus one plus one for one is already good and getting to attack at the same time is even better.

00:53:36

Speaker

It's shitty.

00:53:37

Speaker

Shoot first.

00:53:38

Speaker

It's shitty.

00:53:39

Speaker

It's a shoot first that stays around.

00:53:42

Speaker

It's not actually bad.

00:53:43

Speaker

I think it's a cool card.

00:53:44

Speaker

It's a slightly different niche than Shoot First, but it feels kind of similar.

00:53:51

Speaker

A little bit of reach, a little bit of tempo, a little bit of awesome artwork, because the artwork is really good on that.

00:53:57

Speaker

I love that shot of Mando.

00:53:59

Speaker

And I like to see Mando on the card.

00:54:02

Speaker

Yeah.

00:54:03

Speaker

Which people mentioned.

00:54:04

Speaker

We haven't seen Mando on any other card.

00:54:07

Speaker

Yeah, he looks dope in that.

00:54:09

Speaker

I know.

00:54:09

Speaker

Some of you are like, what?

00:54:10

Speaker

Mando was out before they designed it?

00:54:13

Speaker

I was like, you guys, Mandalorian released in November of 2019.

00:54:16

Speaker

It was out way before they started designing this game.

00:54:21

Speaker

There's going to be probably more Mando stuff in the art and other things that we see for sure.

00:54:28

Speaker

I do really like Snapshot Reflexes, though my motivation is I just want to put all the immediate attack stuff to combine with Ezra.

00:54:37

Speaker

just so I can hit it all off the top.

00:54:39

Speaker

Like, give me the snapshots, give me the surprise strikes, give me the friggin' fleet lieutenants, give me the shoot first.

00:54:47

Speaker

I mostly, the only reason I don't like it is because I don't want to play against it in aggro.

00:54:52

Speaker

Right.

00:54:53

Speaker

I run this in my Krennic deck.

00:54:58

Speaker

My Krennic Cunning.

00:54:59

Speaker

I have two of them in there.

00:55:00

Speaker

I like it in Krennic.

00:55:01

Speaker

The health increase gives you greater chance to... Health increase does help.

00:55:05

Speaker

Get that plus the tempo.

00:55:08

Speaker

I like putting it on a Death Trooper.

00:55:10

Speaker

I think it's fun.

00:55:11

Speaker

It seems fine, for sure.

00:55:13

Speaker

Yeah, I don't know.

00:55:15

Speaker

A lot of people were cold on this card, but I still kind of like it.

00:55:18

Speaker

I think I immediately in my Sabine yellow, I took out the Infiltrator skills and put in the Snapshots.

00:55:27

Speaker

I mean, it might be like a sideboard thing where like, if I'm playing a lot of Sentinel, I'd rather have it.

00:55:31

Speaker

So without Sentinel, it's just, it is just better, but.

00:55:33

Speaker

Yeah.

00:55:34

Speaker

If there's no Sentinels, yeah, it's just better than Infiltrator skill.

00:55:38

Speaker

I really liked Infiltrator skill.

00:55:41

Speaker

So I don't know.

00:55:44

Speaker

Uh, next car, Bamboozle.

00:55:47

Speaker

Uh, this was really interesting car.

00:55:48

Speaker

It was a two cost event that's in, uh, cunning heroism.

00:55:53

Speaker

Uh,

00:55:54

Speaker

Its text says you can discard a cunning card from your hand instead of playing this event's cost.

00:56:00

Speaker

And then the text says exhaust a unit and return each upgrade on it to its owner's hand.

00:56:06

Speaker

Notably, rules-wise, a villain deck could run this and discard a yellow card to play it for free so that they wouldn't have to play it as a loyalty.

00:56:13

Speaker

Oh, that's a good point.

00:56:15

Speaker

I didn't even think about that part.

00:56:16

Speaker

Which is kind of it.

00:56:17

Speaker

Yeah, the villain deck would have to pay four to play it if they're in yellow, but...

00:56:23

Speaker

Yeah, but you're going to have a ton of yellow cards if you're running mono-yellow villain.

00:56:27

Speaker

And you have... Mono-yellow villain, right now then, has...

00:56:33

Speaker

this for if you play with this for free, essentially by the discard, you have this, you have asteroid sanctuary, you have no good to be dead and you have cunning.

00:56:42

Speaker

That's 12 cards of your deck that just exhaust stuff for super cheap.

00:56:47

Speaker

Like that's that's going to be really annoying to sit across from.

00:56:51

Speaker

I obviously like it is a card and

00:56:54

Speaker

there is going to need to be able to do other stuff other than just exhaustion units and not do the other, the other rules note, like shield and experience tokens just, uh, get set aside too.

00:57:05

Speaker

So it's like basically saying, yeah, that is all shields and experience tokens from whatever you hit with this as well.

00:57:12

Speaker

Uh, which leads to my, like a little, I think I pointed this out in the discord.

00:57:15

Speaker

It's kind of thematic that the bamboozle with that art, like totally hoses Lieutenant Chilton, which was the,

00:57:22

Speaker

cell block oh is he is that who he actually is he's the cell block dude yeah yeah lieutenant children's like the cell block dude in there when han shows up so it's like you're like i'm doing my chiltzen with all these xp tokens and you're like bamboozle chuck them all off yeah that's sick we're good here how are you we're good here how are you it's funny yeah garrett did you have any thoughts on bamboozle

00:57:47

Speaker

I think it's fine.

Card Strategies and Usage

00:57:50

Speaker

I like the idea of putting it in a villain deck.

00:57:53

Speaker

Because most people aren't going to see it coming.

00:57:58

Speaker

And I think bouncing upgrades is just... If you're playing for tempo, this is a good tempo card.

00:58:03

Speaker

Of course, the upgrades we have right now, you might not want to bounce them sometimes.

00:58:08

Speaker

Like Snapshot.

00:58:11

Speaker

Or Luke's Lightsaber or Vader's Saber.

00:58:14

Speaker

You're probably not wanting to bounce those.

00:58:16

Speaker

Yeah.

00:58:17

Speaker

But, you know, as we get more upgrades that we'll see more frequency of, I think it will get better.

00:58:22

Speaker

Yeah, I think it's good.

00:58:24

Speaker

Do you ever run it instead of asteroid sanctuary?

00:58:28

Speaker

Or is it like always in addition to, I definitely like the sidebar idea.

00:58:32

Speaker

Cause it's like, if they're running upgrades or like even better, if they're like a Tarkin deck, like, Oh yeah, I'll just put this in here to just like nuke down their value.

00:58:41

Speaker

I mean, I would probably, in a hero deck, I'm probably running that.

00:58:45

Speaker

I'm definitely putting it on the sideboard, but I'm probably running that over Asteroid.

00:58:49

Speaker

It's just a matter of, like, how valuable is the shield versus just the possibility of playing it for free.

00:58:57

Speaker

Yeah.

00:58:59

Speaker

I mean, if you know you're playing against a lot of Sampdorys.

00:59:02

Speaker

People play Asteroid Sanctuary without getting the shield plenty of times just because when you need it, you need it.

00:59:08

Speaker

When you need to sit Vader down, you've got to sit Vader down and it doesn't really matter.

00:59:11

Speaker

You're going to take what you can get.

00:59:13

Speaker

I like Bamboozle and the aggro mirror.

00:59:18

Speaker

I think it's very tech there.

00:59:20

Speaker

If you're both aggroing and you can be like, I will just use my extra cards to make sure I'm ahead of the race without having to spend resources.

00:59:29

Speaker

And Sabine does run wing leaders.

00:59:31

Speaker

So if you're running against other Sabine and take their wing leader value away, that can be like crippling.

00:59:40

Speaker

Yep.

00:59:41

Speaker

And I'm moving on to the next card, the metal ceremony.

00:59:45

Speaker

Um, this is an event that is heroism only, uh, single heroes, mass spec zero.

00:59:51

Speaker

It's free.

00:59:51

Speaker

This is for zero cost card.

00:59:53

Speaker

We've seen, uh, it's,

00:59:55

Speaker

Text says, give an experience token to each of up to three rebel units that have attacked this phase.

01:00:06

Speaker

Man, the art is also great on this one because Chewie is just so damn sad.

01:00:10

Speaker

He's just like, damn it.

01:00:12

Speaker

Chewie still doesn't do his award.

01:00:16

Speaker

Which is funny because he doesn't have the rebel trait.

01:00:21

Speaker

but uh great sabine it's great to be in card yeah i mean sabine's mostly running light rebels yeah is it win more though that was my immediate question like if i get to a point where i have attacked with like two or three rebels and they're still alive

01:00:42

Speaker

Like, am I not just, like, probably super winning that game?

01:00:45

Speaker

Not necessarily.

01:00:46

Speaker

I mean, I don't know.

01:00:47

Speaker

In the big swing turn, where it's just like, I need to stick a little bit more damage going into, like, the last round.

01:00:56

Speaker

I think if you get two off of it, and you are already going to be behind on, like, the initiative...

01:01:04

Speaker

I mean, that one extra health they're each getting could be big too, because that's going to slow down them trying to take out your board.

01:01:15

Speaker

Yeah, I don't know.

01:01:16

Speaker

I have to try it, so... But that was my initial thought.

01:01:18

Speaker

Like, yeah, Sabine and, like, Leia... I mean, it's definitely an aggro card.

01:01:23

Speaker

I mean, I don't see how you're ever really going to get value out of it in anything else.

01:01:27

Speaker

I just don't... Eh, I could see it in...

01:01:32

Speaker

We have a lot of big butt Sentinel Rebels.

01:01:37

Speaker

Do we have that?

01:01:39

Speaker

We have Vigilant Honor Guards.

01:01:42

Speaker

I don't know.

01:01:44

Speaker

There's some.

01:01:45

Speaker

There could be more.

01:01:47

Speaker

It could be a weird Control Dead kind of thing.

01:01:50

Speaker

That's a good point.

01:01:52

Speaker

I would definitely want to give Bright Hope an XP.

01:01:54

Speaker

Yeah.

01:01:56

Speaker

A 3-7 Sentinel sounds real nice.

01:02:00

Speaker

Yeah, there's a thing where if you have the Sentinels, you can ignore their units and just go to their base, and then they have to attack into units and you're still alive.

01:02:08

Speaker

You're like, ah, I'm even bigger, and still going to your base.

01:02:12

Speaker

I mean, if a Hera deck is doing exactly what it wants to do, it's going to have multiple Rebels on the board.

01:02:18

Speaker

It's going to Hera probably like that.

01:02:21

Speaker

I try to do it in Hera.

01:02:24

Speaker

I question whether Hera is going to be able to have the board it wants or needs to to win games.

01:02:29

Speaker

That is the question.

01:02:32

Speaker

Yep.

01:02:33

Speaker

Anyway, on to the last two spoilers.

01:02:35

Speaker

We actually aren't on the DB yet, but we're going to talk about them anyway because we know about them and they are on the Discord.

01:02:43

Speaker

Both of these were at whatever... I don't even know what the French event is.

01:02:48

Speaker

But we saw...

01:02:51

Speaker

I don't know what the translation of the title is.

01:02:54

Speaker

It's called... Saber Laser Jedi.

01:02:56

Speaker

Yeah, the Saber Laser Jedi.

01:02:59

Speaker

Jedi Lightsaber, I'm guessing.

01:03:02

Speaker

Most likely.

01:03:05

Speaker

assumption it's a it's a upgrade that is in vigilance heroism cost three it's essentially the counterpart of the fallen lightsaber is what we're looking at so it's it's not unique it gives plus three power plus three hp you can put the upgrade on a non-vehicle unit just like the fallen lightsaber

01:03:24

Speaker

And then the text says, if attached unit is a force unit, it gains the ability that on attack, give minus two, minus two to the defender for this phase.

01:03:38

Speaker

So yeah, it's like the fallen lightsaber.

01:03:40

Speaker

It can only hit the unit that you attack where it's like fallen lightsaber does like the damage to each ground unit.

01:03:45

Speaker

This is essentially just making your, your force guy good at taking out units.

01:03:51

Speaker

I think is the thing here.

01:03:54

Speaker

Um,

01:03:55

Speaker

throw it to Garrett.

01:03:57

Speaker

What do you think of it?

01:03:59

Speaker

I like it.

01:04:00

Speaker

I mean, I don't know how you can't like this one.

01:04:03

Speaker

It's, it just can neutralize something even if you don't kill it.

01:04:07

Speaker

Like, which is like, if you're getting plus three, plus three on something, you're hitting hard and it's saving you damage as well.

01:04:16

Speaker

Like, it's just a good card.

01:04:18

Speaker

We've got a lot of targets on the hero side to play this on.

01:04:21

Speaker

Yes.

01:04:22

Speaker

I definitely feel this feels way better than Fallen Lightsaber.

01:04:27

Speaker

Just right up to me.

01:04:28

Speaker

Especially because doing a lot of damage to a lot of weenie things feels worse than just killing the big threat.

01:04:39

Speaker

I mean, you put this on somebody and an evader is very, very vulnerable.

01:04:46

Speaker

I like it on Yoda a lot, too.

01:04:49

Speaker

yeah let's we got yoda we got ezra ezra we got obi-wan we got luke actually on the flip like it's like you have everything from three to to six yeah there's so so many good targets i don't even know if i'm forgetting something but yeah no that's the main stuff

01:05:10

Speaker

the main stuff mace you can put this on mace that's what i was forgetting which is real funny when you're like i'm gonna make your unit like not do damage to me so i can just like ready and clear your board yeah it'll actually kill your board at that point yeah actually clear your board without trading um yeah interesting note that i think that the big uh debate when this was released is like everyone was saying is why is the generic non-unique lightsabers why do they feel better than luke invader's lightsaber

01:05:41

Speaker

You think that's a thing?

01:05:44

Speaker

Yes and no.

01:05:45

Speaker

I mean, it depends.

01:05:46

Speaker

Because Luke and Vader's are cheaper.

01:05:49

Speaker

And if you put it on Luke or Vader, they're great.

01:05:52

Speaker

Yeah.

01:05:54

Speaker

Because it is Luke or Vader's lightsaber.

01:05:56

Speaker

Like, it makes thematic sense.

01:05:59

Speaker

Yeah, there's definitely some weird math where I think you're okay with Fallen Lightsaber or the Jedi Lightsaber just throwing it on

01:06:08

Speaker

almost any old unit, like, you can get the card value out of it.

01:06:12

Speaker

Yeah.

01:06:12

Speaker

Luke's invaders are kind of not great unless it's specifically Luke or Vader.

01:06:17

Speaker

Like, you're playing them.

01:06:18

Speaker

Yeah.

01:06:19

Speaker

That's pretty true.

01:06:22

Speaker

And, I mean, that math will change a lot, too, if we actually get Luke and Vader units, because then you have more targets for them in those decks.

01:06:29

Speaker

Yeah, for sure.

01:06:30

Speaker

I definitely can't wait in my aggro blue Sabine to be able to flip Sabine and give her a lightsaber.

01:06:37

Speaker

And,

01:06:39

Speaker

Is it a spoiler alert to say up to a couple months ago that that would have been weird, but now it's not?

01:06:45

Speaker

Do what?

01:06:47

Speaker

To flip Sabine and give her the Jedi lightsaber?

01:06:52

Speaker

Yeah, canonically, yes.

01:06:55

Speaker

Canonically, it's fine now.

01:06:56

Speaker

But if you asked me three months ago, I'd have been like, it's weird that putting the Jedi lightsaber on Sabine after I flip her is good, but it is.

01:07:06

Speaker

Now it's thematic.

01:07:09

Speaker

Weird how that turns out.

Conclusion and Holiday Wishes

01:07:11

Speaker

Then the other spoiler, the more exciting, I don't know, they were both really damn exciting, but the other one that I think I was more excited for was the Avenger.

01:07:23

Speaker

It is a big old villain vigilance Star Destroyer.

01:07:29

Speaker

Costs nine.

01:07:31

Speaker

It has eight power and eight HP, and its text says, when played and on attack,

01:07:39

Speaker

An opponent chooses a non-leader unit they control and defeat that unit.

01:07:47

Speaker

Nick, what do you think?

01:07:49

Speaker

I mean, that seems pretty great to me.

01:07:51

Speaker

I don't like... Not thinking... Obviously, you're not playing this against Sabine because you're probably not going to live that long.

01:07:58

Speaker

If you are, you're going to be fine by the time you're at 9 and have other options.

01:08:04

Speaker

But...

01:08:06

Speaker

Versus any other late game stuff.

01:08:08

Speaker

This is the kind of thing that swings it in your favor because you play it and you both probably only have one thing on the board.

01:08:15

Speaker

You play it, it takes their thing out.

01:08:16

Speaker

If they can't answer, they can't play anything because the next turn you're just going to kill it with this by attacking.

01:08:22

Speaker

It seems like a good swing card.

01:08:26

Speaker

I don't know how strong that actual effect... It seems really strong for them to be able to...

01:08:33

Speaker

kill a guy automatically, but it's a matter of like, obviously they get to choose what it is.

01:08:40

Speaker

So like, there are situations where it might not feel good.

01:08:42

Speaker

Cause like, Oh, I just killed my, my Yularan on turn nine because I can.

01:08:50

Speaker

So like, I can see it sometimes not getting value, but I don't know.

01:08:55

Speaker

I think it's going to do pretty great for, for the decks that are doing the control thingy.

01:09:00

Speaker

It's, it's like,

01:09:03

Speaker

Feels like it's one of the tools we need.

01:09:06

Speaker

Sure.

01:09:07

Speaker

Gary, what do you think?

01:09:09

Speaker

I like this in Thrawn more than I like Chimera in Thrawn.

01:09:13

Speaker

Yeah.

01:09:14

Speaker

Because it works right when you play it.

01:09:16

Speaker

Yeah.

01:09:17

Speaker

It's good.

01:09:20

Speaker

If you're playing a game where you're trading stuff a lot too, this is super oppressive.

01:09:26

Speaker

Yeah.

01:09:27

Speaker

Because you're giving them way less choices.

01:09:31

Speaker

To me, it feels like it's the first late game finisher of all the big things that we've had.

01:09:37

Speaker

Even more than Devastator?

01:09:41

Speaker

Devastator kills one thing, and it can block a lane.

01:09:46

Speaker

That's pretty good.

01:09:49

Speaker

It's pretty good.

01:09:50

Speaker

It's comparable.

01:09:52

Speaker

I feel like this is, one, it's one cheaper, which is significant at that point.

01:09:58

Speaker

and two like it actually can soft lock the board down yeah which i think is important and like if you are playing your control deck where you're controlling the crap out of everything and you need the card that basically says this game's on lock like you play this on an empty board and a lot of times you can be like this game's on lock like you play a unit i will attack and it dies

01:10:22

Speaker

Like, you can't, you know, you're soft-locked onto the board unless you're going to start dropping, like, multiple small units or things.

01:10:28

Speaker

Like, I don't know.

01:10:30

Speaker

It feels more of a late-game finisher, which we'd expect out of Blue than even the Devastator.

01:10:36

Speaker

The Devastator is a finisher, but, yeah, just the hitting only one target once, a little bit less so.

01:10:43

Speaker

Though I do like you can curve.

01:10:45

Speaker

Like, people are like, oh, people could remove this.

01:10:46

Speaker

You know, the classic removal debate.

01:10:48

Speaker

I want to curve relentless into Avenger.

01:10:51

Speaker

Like that's the end game combo.

01:10:53

Speaker

Oh yeah.

01:10:53

Speaker

Yeah.

01:10:54

Speaker

Yes.

01:10:54

Speaker

Yes.

01:10:54

Speaker

Relentless into Avenger is kind of like, Oh yeah.

01:10:57

Speaker

This game is over because you can't get rid of these.

01:11:01

Speaker

Like, and I'm clearing your board when I attack, but yeah, obviously it's not the still not like if your opponent has, you know, a big board, it feels bad.

01:11:11

Speaker

This is the payoff for like, you managed to control the board for eight rounds.

01:11:17

Speaker

I mean, it doesn't even feel that bad.

01:11:19

Speaker

It's still an 8-8 coming down.

01:11:22

Speaker

But, like, the ability's less good.

01:11:24

Speaker

You think we can get, like, an Exodia card that's, like, a...

01:11:29

Speaker

Play this event only if you have six Star Destroyers in play of a different name and you have to play them from all four colors.

01:11:36

Speaker

Operation Cinder or whatever it was from Battlefront 2.

01:11:39

Speaker

I feel like that would be cool.

01:11:43

Speaker

If I get my entire armada out, you lose.

01:11:47

Speaker

There is no coming back.

01:11:49

Speaker

Deal 30 damage to base.

01:11:51

Speaker

I don't know.

01:11:52

Speaker

Maybe Saturday night I'll go Crash Late Night just because I want to see Avenger get played in a Krennic deck or something.

01:11:59

Speaker

Like I want the credit deck that ends at Avenger and just starts locking games down.

01:12:03

Speaker

Let's have some fun.

01:12:07

Speaker

All right.

01:12:08

Speaker

Anyway, that's all the spoilers that we talked about.

01:12:10

Speaker

We talked about the tournament.

01:12:12

Speaker

We talked about what we're playing.

01:12:13

Speaker

That's pretty much all I think we have to talk about this week.

01:12:15

Speaker

Do you guys have anything else you want to bring up?

01:12:19

Speaker

No.

01:12:20

Speaker

Not really.

01:12:20

Speaker

Just go play some games.

01:12:22

Speaker

If you're listening to this right now, like this week, the Steam sale is going on, so get Tabletop Simulator for cheap.

01:12:30

Speaker

It's true.

01:12:30

Speaker

It's a good point.

01:12:31

Speaker

It's always on sale.

01:12:32

Speaker

Like every sale.

01:12:35

Speaker

Yeah, I don't know when people will be listening to this.

01:12:36

Speaker

I don't know if I'll get it done for Turkey Day tomorrow.

01:12:38

Speaker

I might go up like Friday morning when I get around to it.

01:12:43

Speaker

But yeah, go do the Steam sale and enjoy your holiday.

01:12:49

Speaker

Go watch some football and eat some food.

01:12:50

Speaker

That's what I'm going to be doing.

01:12:53

Speaker

You guys got big turkey day plans?

01:12:56

Speaker

Friendsgiving.

01:12:58

Speaker

Friendsgiving?

01:12:59

Speaker

Yep.

01:13:00

Speaker

I think we're just doing a family thing.

01:13:02

Speaker

I like to cook the whole dinner.

01:13:04

Speaker

I cook, so I do the whole thing from scratch.

01:13:08

Speaker

Every little thing.

01:13:09

Speaker

I dry brined the turkey before we got on this.

01:13:13

Speaker

Oh, I just have a microwave.

01:13:14

Speaker

Yeah, you're just like, I just throw it all.

01:13:17

Speaker

Get the microwave turkey dinner

01:13:19

Speaker

Throw it in the microwave.

01:13:20

Speaker

Problem solved.

01:13:22

Speaker

All right.

01:13:24

Speaker

On that note, we'll see you next time.

01:13:26

Speaker

Thanks for tuning in.