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World of Warcraft: Rise of the Horde - Part 1 ft. Afterthoughts
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Sam from Afterthoughts joins me to venture into the World of Warcraft! In this series we are reading Rise of the Horde, which is about what it says in the title. Join us as we dive into the story of how the Orcs became the "baddies."
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YouTube Scammers and Woodworking
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that YouTube scam guy that we were talking about in the Discord where he does those videos about how he made billions of dollars following the YouTube algorithm hacks or whatever.
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All of the voiceover websites look like that.
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That makes sense.
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Yeah.
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My guess would be that most...
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door thing that like most tutorial websites nowadays are are a total grift but i haven't tried to learn a new skill in like 10 years so i don't know i'm not sure i'm all full up on skills i don't need i don't need to to learn anything i learned i've learned how to do it to woodwork a little bit that's that's pretty much okay the extent of my skill learning
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I was going to say, I feel like it's hard to, like, grift people in the realm of, like, woodworking.
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But I actually completely take that back because I imagine that there's a huge crossover with, like, real man in Turner.
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It's like...
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you need to learn how to build a table because, you know, Biden's America is causing the... Biden's America is going to... You can't buy a table anymore in Biden's America.
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You don't have to fend for yourself.
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Yeah.
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You got to cut down the tree yourself.
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I feel like I...
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I went into, I went somewhere else.
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That's not like real man discourse.
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That's like rapture.
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You have to like...
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be able to build your own table to be, to, to take part in the rapture.
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Uh, I feel like you can still like, you know, walking back a little bit from like the doomsday stuff.
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Like, I feel like you could make someone feel insecure enough about themselves that they decide to buy your table making course.
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Yeah, no, I, I, I could see that.
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Luckily it's funny.
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Most of the table that like woodworking carpentry guys on YouTube are like,
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It's surprising that they're like, well, first, safety first.
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Get your goggles on.
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Get your... That's good.
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It's like, okay, this is not like toxic masculinity 101.
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They're like, you know, watch your fingies.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, we like that.
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We like some healthy fingers in this family.
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That's always good.
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Oh, boy.
Introducing 'Pixel It' and Sam from 'Afterthoughts'
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So World of Warcraft, huh?
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You know?
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That's not what I'm here to talk about.
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No one wants.
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We're talking about tables.
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Let's talk about tables.
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Let's just talk about it.
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I should do a podcast on tables.
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You know who else does a podcast on tables?
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Hey there, everybody.
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Welcome back to Pixel It.
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My name is Kevin.
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With me, as always, is that's not Phil.
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That is Sam.
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That's Sam from the YouTube channel Afterthoughts.
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She's here.
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Hi, everybody.
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Sam, welcome to the show.
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Thank you.
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Fun to be here.
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Hanging out.
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Who are you?
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What do you do?
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What would you say you do here?
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Or generally in the world?
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I haven't done anything here yet.
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I'm excited to tell you all of the things that I know about World of Warcraft because normally
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Normally people don't ask for that.
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Normally I just give it to them and they're, you know, they tolerate it.
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But normally I make videos on the YouTube channel Afterthoughts.
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They run a range of topics, just kind of whatever thought hole I'm in for however many months straight, I'll just, you know, hone in on that and turn it into something that other people can watch.
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It's ruminating productively.
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Sometimes she's talking about writing.
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Sometimes she's talking about UI.
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It's a real smorgasbord of YouTubery on there.
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Sometimes World of Warcraft, but not enough.
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But not enough.
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Really, really not enough.
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In case you have missed previous episodes up through the end of the year, where is Phil?
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Phil is a parent now.
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He had a baby.
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So hooray to Phil.
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Hooray.
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Hooray.
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He is doing the parenting thing for the next couple months.
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So I'm going to have a group of friends kind of fill in his Phil-ing his shoes.
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Well, I have no babies, so I don't have any worldly responsibilities.
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Except for your puppy.
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Yeah.
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He'll make an appearance at some point.
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Yeah.
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He'll wake up and he'll interrupt.
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I'm sure of it.
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So.
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First thing.
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Yeah.
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What are we talking about?
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We're talking about World of Warcraft.
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We're talking about Rise of the Horde.
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The Warcraft book.
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And so.
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There's a lot of Warcraft books, and there's a lot of Warcraft stuff out there.
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And it's traditionally a huge blind spot for me personally.
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Interesting.
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Yeah.
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I'm surprised you haven't gotten into that yet.
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Yeah, I never really... I played the Warcraft Orcs and Humans, maybe, back when it came out.
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Oh, my God.
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Yeah.
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That's the true, like, legendary text.
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I don't know anyone who's played that game.
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That was when it was simple.
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It was just like, hey, orcs, there's some people over there.
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Kill them.
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Kill them.
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And that's the plot of the game.
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It's, like, amazing seeing where the lore is.
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went and ultimately became and the plot of the game is like the orcs came from another dimension and started fucking killing humans motivations and that see this is where it all fell apart was like blizzard realized that they had something and they were like oh shit we've got we have to justify all of this how do we do that how do we justify the genocides
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Hmm.
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This book tries to do that a little.
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A little bit.
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Does it actually, or does it just document them?
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I don't know if it even...
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We'll talk about that.
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We'll talk about that.
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So, yeah, if you haven't, if you've stumbled onto this podcast and have never heard of Warcraft ever, it was a real-time strategy series back in the 90s.
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And then Blizzard was like, fuck that.
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No more real-time
Warcraft Series History
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strategy.
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It's going to be an MMO.
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And it's been an MMO for the past year.
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20 or so, 20-ish years.
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It will be the 20th anniversary next year.
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Jesus Christ.
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Crazy.
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Oh, happy almost anniversary.
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Almost anniversary.
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That's something you say.
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That's cool.
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I'm going to have to get back into it to celebrate.
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For the 20th anniversary of World of Warcraft, that is a long time for something to hold on.
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There have been so many MMOs that started and died.
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in the era after World of Warcraft.
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See, I never played World of Warcraft.
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I was a, I played Star Wars Galaxies, which was not good.
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Also probably quite lore heavy.
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Yes, sort of.
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Yeah.
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I think I've heard of some some some supplementary materials for this Star Wars MMO.
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Yeah, it wasn't great.
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We don't really have to get into that, but.
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But yeah, so World
Christy Golden's Media Tie-Ins
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of Warcraft.
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Before we get into the book, though, I'm just talking about the author real quick.
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The author is Christy Golden.
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She also did the narration for the audiobook.
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That's great.
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Yeah, she sure did.
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She's had a pretty varied career in media tie-ins.
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She wrote for TSR, which...
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was the previous owners of Dungeons and Dragons before Wizards of the Coast bought them.
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So she wrote for TSR.
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She authored the first Ravenloft book back in 1991, and she's written a bajillion books for Star Trek.
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She wrote Assassin's Creed.
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She's written a bunch of Star Wars books and like a thousand World of Warcraft novelizations.
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So that's who we're working with right now.
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I'd like to know which other Warcraft novels she's done.
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There was a list.
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Let's look that up.
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Christy Golden.
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Her Wikipedia page cites...
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Lord of the Clans, Rise of the Horde, Beyond the Dark Portal, Rise of the Lich King, The Shattering, Prelude to Cataclysm, Thrall, Twilight of the Aspects, Jaina Proudmoore, Tides of War.
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You gotta love it when there's a double colon in the title.
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There's one just called War Crimes.
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Oh, what?
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Yeah, no, I wonder who that's about.
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It has to be about Gera, I feel like.
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There's one, Warcraft Durotan, the official movie prequel.
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Warcraft, the official movie novelization, she wrote.
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World of Warcraft Before the Storm.
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World of Warcraft, Exploring Azeroth, and World of Warcraft, Sylvanas, which came out last year.
Warcraft Novels by Christy Golden
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There was a... Okay, so the novelization of the World of Warcraft movie must really be something.
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Yeah, it's a copy of a copy.
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It's several layers down.
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That...
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That photocopy is pretty, the ink is pretty bare on that one.
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That's such an interesting choice.
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Also, War Crimes is in fact about Garrosh Hellscream, the character I most associate with the phrase War Crimes in the movie.
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the Warcraft universe.
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Sylvanas might take the war crimes, most war crimes committed crown soon.
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But yeah, if you thought the war crimes in this book were bad,
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Wait until you find out what 20 years of World of Warcraft can, uh, drive to.
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Wild things, we're not even going to get to the meat of the war crimes in this episode.
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We're just going to, we're, but the war crimes, it's like we're going to end and the war crimes are just over the hill.
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Um...
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Yeah.
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So with all that being said, let's go ahead and put the body in the marsh with the prologue.
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Tell me how they find them so fast.
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Somebody walking a fucking dog in three feet a month.
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Somewhere off.
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What's that?
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Narrate the book to me.
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Yes.
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Somewhere off in realms hitherto yet unknown, Sargeras is tempting the three leaders of the blue people.
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Kil'jaeden, Velen, and Arch... I just call them the blue people, by the way, because they have like 15 fucking names over the course of this book.
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And I am... I don't know what I should call them.
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Do you want me to be annoying?
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I should also say, yeah, my reading experience with this book was very strange because I'm way too familiar with the lore surrounding World of Warcraft.
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So I was reading through this book being like, okay, yes, I know.
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Yeah, I know.
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Yeah, I know.
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I know all these things.
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I know all of this.
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And I understand that that was not your
The Erudar and Draenei Transformation
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reading experience.
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Right.
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Right.
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I don't know all of this, but... They're called the Erudar for about 12 seconds, yeah.
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They're the Erudar, and then they are the other people.
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They're still blue.
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They're still blue.
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They're always blue.
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They're always blue.
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Except for the ones who are red.
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Except for the ones who go evil and are red, but...
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We'll talk about that evil bit.
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So there's the three leaders of those folks, Kil'jaeden, Velen, and Archimonde.
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And how could you not be evil with a name like Kil'jaeden?
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I know.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Velen is super cautious about taking any sort of deal.
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Velen's friends laugh at him.
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Ha ha.
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He's a loser for being too cautious.
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And he goes to the temple to consider what might happen.
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And he has a vision of what Sargeras's power will do to them and corrupt them and twist them up on the outsides and the inside.
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So he presents this to Archimonde and Kil'jaeden and Kil'jaeden are like, eh.
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you're making, you're making stuff up.
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And, uh, and then Velen's like, ah, they've already taken the deal.
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Haven't they?
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They've already, they're already bad guys.
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It really does feel like, you know, he comes back to his bros, um, and says, Hey, I had a vision and this is going to fuck us up real bad.
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Um, this, uh,
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It's going to be real bad news.
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We're going to join a horde of demons.
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It's going to be terrible for everyone, for the entire universe.
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And his friends just kind of come back and they're like, but what if, what if it doesn't?
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What if it doesn't?
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It might, but what if it wouldn't?
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They very much did anyway.
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Yeah.
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It reminds me of now I'm blanking on the name.
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Owen Wilson in that one Wes Anderson movie where he's talking about we all know that Custer died at the Battle of Little Bighorn.
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But what my book presupposes is what if he didn't?
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Any texts not related to World of Warcraft, you are going to have to explain to me much more thoroughly because I own the community.
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Yeah.
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I think that was another really interesting thing about this book.
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I don't know how often you run into this in your podcast.
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Yeah.
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I don't know who the audience for books like this would be.
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I would imagine World of Warcraft players who probably know a lot of the things going on here.
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They might not be complete lore fiends like me.
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So some of this stuff might be like, oh, so that's how this happened.
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That's how that happened.
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But for the book to
Velen's Vision and Escape
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just... It'd be like if you're reading...
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a story from the Bible and they just mention Satan and you have no idea who Satan is.
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Who is this guy?
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Just kind of dropping Sargeras in there is kind of like, we don't know who that guy is.
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Sargeras, I guess he's a bad dude.
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Yeah.
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Sure.
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It just feels weird for him to just kind of
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Just make a little chapter one, like, hello, I'm going to cause everything that happens, and then just dip.
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I am the one who makes this book.
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Yeah.
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So Velen then takes, looks at the Otomal crystal, and it starts...
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it starts talking to him or an entity called Naru starts talking to him or thus crystal causes the entity to start talking to him.
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Either way there, he looks at the Naru, uh, is the entity and its name is Kure.
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Um, and Kure is like,
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bro, you gotta get the fuck out of here.
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Like, shit's bad.
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It's gonna get real bad.
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Get out of here.
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So Velen goes to the mountain like every good holy man does.
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With the automol crystal.
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And he tries to bring all the folks he trusts.
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He's like, he asks his friend Togath to round up folks to escape.
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But, ah, shit, Togath is already a traitor.
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He's already on the bad guy's side.
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And Kure, all the people are already, like, transformed into the evil version of the blue people.
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And they're coming for them.
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And then Kure, the crystal breaks...
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Roy G. Viv style.
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Yeah.
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That was one of those things where I'm like a little bit unclear on that.
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From my understanding, yeah, the crystal was just like, I have a spaceship.
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Good news.
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Good news.
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I have a spaceship.
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Get in my spaceship.
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Yeah.
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That's what I imagine.
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It's just like a spaceship coming and beamed them away.
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Yeah.
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So.
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You'd think that diving deeper into the lore of how all this happened, you'd find out like where the spaceships come from.
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But it still just kind of ends up being good news.
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There are spaceships in World of Warcraft.
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Good news, everybody.
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There's a spaceship.
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Maybe.
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It's like, it's like, it's like almost like, it's like, all right, we're going to take some, uh, the world of Warcraft mythology and we're going to, instead of borrowing from, we're going to borrow from a little bit from this religion, but a little bit from that religion.
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And you know what?
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Fuck it.
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Scientology.
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We're going to grab some Scientology and throw it in there because we got some Thetans.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's actually, goddammit, yeah, this is like a little weird.
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Weirdly similar.
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Weirdly similar to Scientology.
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Yeah, there is space Satan, yeah.
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Yeah, space Satan.
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And the rebels fly away from Satan.
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On a spaceship.
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Hmm.
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Hmm.
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Yeah.
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Oh, that's... I've never noticed this before.
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Yeah.
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Kill Jaden vows to find them even if it takes a thousand years.
00:18:57
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And that's the end of the prologue.
00:19:00
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Chapter one, we open with a segment from present day as Thrall writes about how the Horde was created.
00:19:12
Speaker
And I don't I I guess this is like important if you have even the slightest understanding of who Thrall is or when present day is or current or current as of this book is.
00:19:27
Speaker
I don't know.
00:19:28
Speaker
Or is it is it before?
00:19:33
Speaker
I don't know.
00:19:34
Speaker
That's a good point.
00:19:35
Speaker
That's a good point.
00:19:36
Speaker
I know who Thrall is and just forgot that.
00:19:39
Speaker
Yeah.
00:19:40
Speaker
Yeah.
00:19:41
Speaker
This guy just shows up and he's like, I'm going to occasionally interject into this story that I have absolutely no active part in.
00:19:48
Speaker
I wasn't I wasn't even born yet.
00:19:50
Speaker
He's like.
00:19:52
Speaker
It's not even like he's the story's pen pal.
00:19:56
Speaker
Like, you could cut everything Thrall ever says in this story and it would not affect the book in any way.
00:20:03
Speaker
At all.
00:20:04
Speaker
Something will just happen and then you'll get this little diary entry from Thrall that was like, yo, that was fucking crazy.
00:20:12
Speaker
And then the story comes out.
00:20:13
Speaker
It's fucking crazy, right?
00:20:15
Speaker
Anyway, I'm going to keep Samwise Gamge-ing in this story.
Thrall's Reflections
00:20:19
Speaker
Yeah.
00:20:23
Speaker
But I misspeak because Samwise was an active protagonist.
00:20:32
Speaker
Active protagonists.
00:20:35
Speaker
Don't take them for granted, folks, because you're not getting them in this fucking book.
00:20:41
Speaker
So we get some background on the Kosharg celebration from the point of view of Durotan, a young orc from the Frostwolf clan.
00:20:50
Speaker
There's a lot of description of the festival, how many beasts were slain, how delicious they were.
00:20:56
Speaker
Mm-hmm.
00:20:57
Speaker
how it filled their bellies, a lot of really, like, description about, like, it was good.
00:21:05
Speaker
It was a very good festival.
00:21:08
Speaker
Stuff like that.
00:21:09
Speaker
I love a good festival.
00:21:11
Speaker
That's why I read fantasy books, is I want to read about all the happy festivals and the happy children and the tasty food.
00:21:18
Speaker
The tasty food.
00:21:19
Speaker
Yeah.
00:21:19
Speaker
And the dancing.
00:21:20
Speaker
Yeah, lots of dancing.
00:21:21
Speaker
Yeah.
00:21:24
Speaker
Yeah, dirt tents bored.
00:21:27
Speaker
So he leaves the children's table slash tent at night and he runs into another young orc named Orgrim from the Blackrock clan, who is also sneaking out to see what's what's up, what's going on out here.
00:21:42
Speaker
What are the adults actually?
00:21:43
Speaker
What are they doing in there?
00:21:44
Speaker
What are the adults doing in there?
00:21:47
Speaker
And they sneak over to the adult tent and they're just like, the adults are just talking about like taxes.
00:21:53
Speaker
Yeah.
00:21:56
Speaker
Like my back hurts.
00:21:58
Speaker
Yeah.
00:21:59
Speaker
Yeah.
00:22:00
Speaker
Adult things.
00:22:01
Speaker
Yeah.
00:22:02
Speaker
And then they continue bonding for the next few days with feats of strength, which just makes me imagine like Durotan and Orgrim are like Hulk Hogan and Macho Man Randy Savage just like doing a feat of strength in the middle of the wrestling ring.
00:22:19
Speaker
I don't know if that makes any sense to you, but I can.
00:22:23
Speaker
I don't know who those World of Warcraft characters are.
00:22:28
Speaker
Who is Hulk Hogan?
00:22:30
Speaker
What expansion was he from?
00:22:34
Speaker
He's a torn chief in chief in the leader of the Hulkamaniacs.
00:22:43
Speaker
And that's chapter one.
00:22:48
Speaker
The only thing we establish is that Durotan and Orgrim decide to be friends.
00:22:53
Speaker
And that's never been done before.
00:22:56
Speaker
Don't make friends.
00:22:58
Speaker
They have family and they have their tribe.
00:23:00
Speaker
But friendship.
00:23:02
Speaker
What are you doing?
00:23:04
Speaker
Yeah.
00:23:05
Speaker
I didn't necessarily understand the point of playing that up so much because then later, there are a lot of moments where all the orcs will come together and be like, oh yeah, everybody respected the hell out of this dude.
00:23:17
Speaker
It's like... Yeah.
00:23:21
Speaker
It seems like, I don't know, it wasn't maybe the most transgressive thing for these two dudes to be thrown out, but the book really wanted to let us know that this...
00:23:33
Speaker
It's weird to... It's weird.
00:23:36
Speaker
These two guys are hanging out and having fun and throwing out.
00:23:40
Speaker
What little weirdos.
00:23:41
Speaker
Little freak mode over there.
00:23:44
Speaker
Yeah.
00:23:44
Speaker
Goblin mode.
00:23:45
Speaker
Yeah.
00:23:49
Speaker
Chapter two, more reminiscing from Thrall, talking about the Taran and how Drek'thar likes the Taran as well as the Draenor and their good, clean magic.
00:24:03
Speaker
Good, clean magic.
00:24:04
Speaker
Feels like a dog whistle somehow.
00:24:06
Speaker
I don't know how.
00:24:08
Speaker
It just feels like it's...
00:24:12
Speaker
There's just some, I don't know how you can say that about one, one group of people over another have good, clean magic.
00:24:19
Speaker
Um, yeah,
00:24:28
Speaker
Dirtam and Orgrim are in a foot race and Orgrim wins and they banter back and forth, but they're interrupted by an ogre.
00:24:37
Speaker
Oh no.
00:24:37
Speaker
So they're like running away from this ogre and the ogre is trying to just really trying to smush them up as ogres do.
00:24:46
Speaker
This is where I really dig the author, like, interjecting a little bit of her idea of what orc culture is like.
00:24:56
Speaker
Because the little orcs are maybe a little bit less concerned with the fact that they're going to die than with the fact that this will not be an honorable death in combat.
00:25:05
Speaker
Like, okay, sure, they're being squished.
00:25:09
Speaker
But they are not participating in this at all.
00:25:13
Speaker
Like all the other orcs are going to make fun of how they died.
00:25:15
Speaker
And that's like their kind of main concern
Orc-Draenei Cultural Intersections
00:25:18
Speaker
here.
00:25:18
Speaker
They died without a weapon in their hands running from an orc that squished them.
00:25:23
Speaker
Not an honorable death.
00:25:25
Speaker
Orcs and Klingons.
00:25:28
Speaker
Really.
00:25:29
Speaker
Similar.
00:25:30
Speaker
Really similar.
00:25:31
Speaker
Yeah.
00:25:35
Speaker
And then a bunch of people with blue people with armor and bows and arrows...
00:25:46
Speaker
And stuff.
00:25:47
Speaker
They show up and they basically stealth kill the ogre with a million billion arrows.
00:25:53
Speaker
They just shoot the shit out of this ogre.
00:25:56
Speaker
And they meet the leader of the hunting pack.
00:25:59
Speaker
His name is Restelon, who checks in on them, makes sure they're okay, sends off messages to their respective clans about their safety.
00:26:10
Speaker
Then they stranger danger off with him to a second location.
00:26:14
Speaker
I love the little detail about the Draenei just like kidnapping these children and being like, no, it's totally chill.
00:26:20
Speaker
We sent, we phoned your parents.
00:26:22
Speaker
We told your parents.
00:26:23
Speaker
Your parents know you're here.
00:26:24
Speaker
Don't worry.
00:26:25
Speaker
This isn't weird.
00:26:26
Speaker
This isn't weird.
00:26:28
Speaker
Your parents know you're here.
00:26:29
Speaker
They said it was okay.
00:26:31
Speaker
Now come with me, children.
00:26:33
Speaker
It was like a little extra perspective from like, it's almost like, yeah, the author is trying to tell us like, no, no, no, guys, it really wasn't weird.
00:26:39
Speaker
It was really actually fine.
00:26:40
Speaker
Because then we like dip over to one of the orc shamans who was like, hello, I'm an orc shaman.
00:26:48
Speaker
I heard it was totally chill.
00:26:52
Speaker
It's fine.
00:26:53
Speaker
Anyway, back to those guys.
00:26:56
Speaker
It's cool.
00:26:57
Speaker
Don't worry about it.
00:26:58
Speaker
Just to let us know that like she, the kids are accounted for.
00:27:01
Speaker
No kidnaps of her.
00:27:02
Speaker
heard.
00:27:03
Speaker
All right.
00:27:04
Speaker
This is not a kidnapping.
00:27:05
Speaker
It's a totally cool babysitting, like a pop-up babysitting situation.
00:27:12
Speaker
It is 3 a.m.
00:27:13
Speaker
and she knows exactly where her children are.
00:27:16
Speaker
Yes.
00:27:17
Speaker
Everything's fine.
00:27:21
Speaker
It just reminds me of when I got in the town I grew up in.
00:27:27
Speaker
I had permission to walk from my house to my friend's house, which was down the street and around the corner.
00:27:34
Speaker
And one time when I was leaving my friend's house, I got turned around and I just kept walking down the wrong street and I had no idea where I was.
00:27:43
Speaker
And I ended up in...
00:27:47
Speaker
In a bar.
00:27:49
Speaker
I'm like seven.
00:27:50
Speaker
In a bar that is run by the, I believe it was the Order of the Hibernians.
00:28:00
Speaker
This sounds made up.
00:28:05
Speaker
The ancient order of the Hibernians are basically there.
00:28:09
Speaker
It's like an Irish Catholic organization.
00:28:12
Speaker
And I just like walked into their bar.
00:28:16
Speaker
And so I was like, hey, I don't know where I am.
00:28:19
Speaker
And they're like, do you know your phone number?
00:28:21
Speaker
And I said, I do.
00:28:23
Speaker
So they called my mom and she picked me up.
00:28:27
Speaker
And so I was basically like like Durotan in that situation.
00:28:34
Speaker
You gained knowledge that no one else in your family had access to.
00:28:41
Speaker
Yeah.
00:28:43
Speaker
Because that's the interesting thing about this book.
00:28:48
Speaker
You know that the Draenei and the orcs are cohabitating on this planet.
00:28:52
Speaker
I also really loved that little tidbit where the Draenei were like, yeah, what up?
00:28:55
Speaker
So we showed up here and we call ourselves the Draenei.
00:29:00
Speaker
And so we call this planet Draenor after us.
00:29:05
Speaker
We named it.
00:29:07
Speaker
You don't have to do that.
00:29:08
Speaker
That's just what we call it.
00:29:09
Speaker
And the orcs are like,
00:29:11
Speaker
We don't actually have a name for it.
00:29:13
Speaker
We'll go Draenor.
00:29:16
Speaker
It's fine.
00:29:16
Speaker
Draenor.
00:29:18
Speaker
Like, they all just call it that.
00:29:20
Speaker
I think that is so funny.
00:29:21
Speaker
They just call it, like, Planet.
00:29:23
Speaker
They're like, you know what?
00:29:25
Speaker
You have a name for it?
00:29:25
Speaker
All right.
00:29:26
Speaker
You thought of it.
00:29:28
Speaker
You thought of it.
00:29:29
Speaker
You actually put some thought into the fact that we...
00:29:33
Speaker
Okay, we'll go with that.
00:29:35
Speaker
We'll go with Draenor.
00:29:37
Speaker
We'll just name our whole planet after you guys.
00:29:39
Speaker
After you guys.
00:29:40
Speaker
We don't know how far this planet goes.
00:29:44
Speaker
We haven't tried to Marco Polo around the world yet, so we'll go with Draenor.
00:29:51
Speaker
It's okay.
00:29:52
Speaker
It does explode later.
00:29:57
Speaker
It actually... Wow.
00:29:59
Speaker
The timeline is so whack because... I didn't mention this earlier.
00:30:02
Speaker
So Thrall is, like... He's Durotan's son, right?
00:30:08
Speaker
Okay.
00:30:09
Speaker
So timeline-wise, you can probably already tell that this is, like, a bit fucky.
00:30:15
Speaker
Yeah.
00:30:16
Speaker
Because, like, he's writing this story about how there was no war...
00:30:22
Speaker
when his dad was an adult and then war happens.
00:30:26
Speaker
And sometime in that time, the world blows up.
00:30:33
Speaker
Things happen very fast.
00:30:36
Speaker
You have like a single like lifetime.
00:30:40
Speaker
Yeah.
00:30:41
Speaker
World of Warcraft or in Warcraft.
00:30:44
Speaker
And for the Draenei, it's like, it's like not that much time.
00:30:48
Speaker
It's like a month in Draenei time.
00:30:53
Speaker
A single NPC, a single character in World of Warcraft will just remember four different world wars because they all happened in the span of about three years.
00:31:07
Speaker
Overlapping world wars.
00:31:09
Speaker
It's wild.
00:31:11
Speaker
We distinguish them just because they were about different things.
00:31:14
Speaker
Yeah.
00:31:15
Speaker
So...
00:31:23
Speaker
They go with the Draenei and they bat cave entrance into the Draenei city via illusory forest wall, basically.
00:31:32
Speaker
They're like, oh shit, there's an entire city here.
00:31:36
Speaker
We never knew that.
00:31:37
Speaker
Draenei are like, yeah, we're magic.
00:31:42
Speaker
Thrall writes about how Durotan didn't have the words to describe the city.
00:31:47
Speaker
Good, good.
00:31:48
Speaker
Thank you, Thrall.
00:31:49
Speaker
Good.
00:31:50
Speaker
Good.
00:31:55
Speaker
The city, though, is glorious.
00:31:58
Speaker
It was something.
00:31:59
Speaker
I wish he told me what.
00:32:01
Speaker
I wish he told me what it was.
00:32:04
Speaker
It was a thing.
00:32:06
Speaker
It's it's it's like that.
00:32:09
Speaker
It's like that song tribute.
00:32:13
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
00:32:15
Speaker
From Denacious D. Couldn't remember the greatest song in the world.
00:32:23
Speaker
This city is a tribute.
00:32:24
Speaker
Orgrim right away is being weird about the floating metal.
00:32:29
Speaker
And she's like, that's impossible.
00:32:32
Speaker
Magic is a thing, but fucking floating metal, that's not a thing.
00:32:37
Speaker
And the Draen are like, it's also magic.
00:32:39
Speaker
And he's like, oh, I don't know.
00:32:44
Speaker
It's pretty weird.
00:32:46
Speaker
It's pretty weird.
00:32:49
Speaker
This is like a scenario that I would love to see, you know, yeah, explored way more.
00:32:54
Speaker
It's like you've got these orcs over here and then these hyper technologically advanced dudes just show up, set up shop, next door neighbors.
00:33:03
Speaker
They like, this is like the first that they've interacted.
00:33:06
Speaker
Yeah.
00:33:07
Speaker
Is something that they're saying is like orcs had like never been in like a Draenei city before.
00:33:11
Speaker
They like didn't talk and they're all, they're super chill with each other.
00:33:15
Speaker
So we don't really get a sense for like, why
Naming of Draenor
00:33:17
Speaker
not?
00:33:17
Speaker
Yeah.
00:33:18
Speaker
Like, yeah, rude of the Drani.
00:33:19
Speaker
Honestly, they just show up and like they just show up and name the planet.
00:33:24
Speaker
They show up name that they didn't go to the orcs and ask them what the planet's called.
00:33:27
Speaker
They just show up on their on their spaceship.
00:33:30
Speaker
And they're like, this is ours now.
00:33:32
Speaker
And then like hundreds of years later, decide that they're just going to go take two children and give them Charlie and the Chocolate Factory experience.
00:33:43
Speaker
Out of nowhere.
00:33:48
Speaker
I like the idea now of Restelon just dressed up like Willy Wonka during the course of this scene.
00:33:56
Speaker
You two did great.
00:33:57
Speaker
You can have our spaceship now.
00:33:59
Speaker
You can have our spaceship.
00:34:01
Speaker
This is yours.
00:34:05
Speaker
Duritan sees a Draenei who he thinks is their age, and then Restelon's like, oh, Draenei lived for, like, ever, so she's not your age.
00:34:16
Speaker
Stop looking at her.
00:34:17
Speaker
Stop looking at her.
00:34:19
Speaker
There's a power imbalance here.
00:34:20
Speaker
You shouldn't talk to her.
00:34:23
Speaker
Restalan shows them the views.
00:34:25
Speaker
It's very pretty.
00:34:27
Speaker
Then shows them to their rooms for the evening where they eat fruit and again, fill their bellies, which is just a thing that orcs fucking do.
00:34:35
Speaker
Anytime.
00:34:35
Speaker
They're a little skeptical of the vegetables, which fair.
00:34:39
Speaker
Fair.
00:34:39
Speaker
You know, veggies.
00:34:40
Speaker
Not real food.
00:34:42
Speaker
Yeah, it's green.
00:34:43
Speaker
Why would I eat a green thing?
00:34:45
Speaker
Yeah.
00:34:47
Speaker
And so on.
00:34:49
Speaker
Resalon then... Oh, and they change it to new fresh clothes.
00:34:53
Speaker
They're also super skeptical of bathing.
00:34:55
Speaker
They're like, we're not going to take a bath.
00:35:02
Speaker
But they change their clothes.
00:35:03
Speaker
And then Resalon tells them that the Prophet is ready to see them.
00:35:07
Speaker
Which, at this point, you gotta...
00:35:11
Speaker
Tell your kids that if anyone tells them that a prophet is ready to see them, just tell your kid to run, hide, fight.
00:35:22
Speaker
Call me.
00:35:23
Speaker
I'll come pick you up.
00:35:24
Speaker
Call me.
00:35:24
Speaker
I'll come pick you up.
00:35:27
Speaker
Please don't talk to any prophets, sweetie.
00:35:29
Speaker
The breathing thing is so funny to me.
00:35:31
Speaker
Because, again, you know, it's like that's like the fun of like a fantasy book like this.
00:35:35
Speaker
You really get like insights into like the different like fantasy cultures.
00:35:39
Speaker
I love how Orgrim, he's like, ew, bathe.
00:35:42
Speaker
Oh, ew.
00:35:43
Speaker
What?
00:35:43
Speaker
Weird.
00:35:44
Speaker
Why would I do that?
00:35:45
Speaker
You don't bathe?
00:35:45
Speaker
And he's like, well, I mean, yeah, like we'll jump into a body of water and like scrub ourselves.
00:35:49
Speaker
But like, ew, no, we don't bathe.
00:35:51
Speaker
We don't do that.
00:35:51
Speaker
What are you talking?
00:35:52
Speaker
That's what bathing is.
00:35:53
Speaker
Stop it.
00:35:54
Speaker
Cut it out.
00:35:54
Speaker
You child.
00:35:54
Speaker
Yeah.
00:35:56
Speaker
Get out of here, weirdo.
00:35:58
Speaker
Judgy little guy.
00:35:59
Speaker
Just a judgy little dude.
00:36:03
Speaker
Velen asked them all sorts of questions about the orcs.
00:36:06
Speaker
Like their defensive capabilities.
00:36:10
Speaker
Yeah.
00:36:12
Speaker
No, it's, it's, it seems on the level.
00:36:16
Speaker
It seems like a nice dinner.
00:36:17
Speaker
Valen tells them all about how the, how Drani means exiled ones and that they're from another world.
00:36:25
Speaker
Um, Orgrim manages to find a fence in something that was not intended to be offensive.
00:36:32
Speaker
Orgrim really has a hair trigger on that stuff.
00:36:35
Speaker
Um,
00:36:37
Speaker
It's like, it was something like, oh, like I, he's like, I wouldn't be able to explain it to you.
00:36:42
Speaker
Cause I like the words don't exist in your language and Orgrim's like, call me fucking stupid.
00:36:49
Speaker
It was like, it made me wish that I had the communication and de-escalation skills of Velen, because he initially was kind of condescending.
00:36:57
Speaker
He's like, oh, I couldn't possibly explain to you how our magic works.
00:37:00
Speaker
Like, you wouldn't understand.
00:37:01
Speaker
And Orgrim is like, um, okay, try, though.
00:37:04
Speaker
Like, yeah, we're not dumb.
00:37:05
Speaker
And then Velen is like, oh, I'm so sorry.
00:37:07
Speaker
No, that is not what I meant to say, but I see how you took it that way.
00:37:11
Speaker
No, I just mean that my orcish is not good.
00:37:15
Speaker
So, like...
00:37:17
Speaker
My English is not good.
00:37:20
Speaker
Even though I've been perfectly fluent up until this point.
00:37:25
Speaker
And I've had 200 years to learn.
00:37:29
Speaker
So...
00:37:34
Speaker
So Velen goes to bed and says, we'll meet each other again someday.
00:37:40
Speaker
Meanwhile, Mother Kasher is talking to the ghost of Tal Krah and Tal Krah wants Kasher to bring Durotan to meet the ancestors.
00:37:52
Speaker
Those are some words that you just said.
00:37:54
Speaker
Those are some words.
00:37:56
Speaker
Those are the things.
00:37:57
Speaker
Yeah.
00:37:59
Speaker
She's like the shaman of Durotan's clan.
00:38:03
Speaker
The shaman are really important because they communicate with their ancestors.
00:38:08
Speaker
It's a big deal.
00:38:10
Speaker
I've read a little bit further than you.
00:38:12
Speaker
I still do not know why she was supposed to do Durotan to meet the ancestors.
00:38:17
Speaker
Yeah.
00:38:19
Speaker
Yeah, I have no idea.
00:38:21
Speaker
And we're not going to find out in chapter four, which starts with another Thrall journal entry.
00:38:26
Speaker
Yay!
00:38:27
Speaker
Where he's talking about the old ways are coming back.
00:38:30
Speaker
Things are being reestablished, such as the celebration of Orgrimmar, which is when a child orc becomes an adult.
00:38:41
Speaker
It's bar mitzvah for orcs, basically.
00:38:45
Speaker
Yeah, like murder bar mitzvah.
00:38:47
Speaker
Murder bar mitzvah.
00:38:52
Speaker
Dirtan is hunting a tall buck, which is a deer thing, I assume.
00:38:57
Speaker
Yeah.
00:38:58
Speaker
Big, fancy.
00:38:59
Speaker
Fancy deer.
00:39:00
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And he wants to show he's the hot shit, so he's hunting a female tall buck because the male tall bucks have already lost their antlers this season, but the female tall bucks still have them.
00:39:14
Speaker
So he needs to have a chance of death.
00:39:18
Speaker
in order to really feel like he's important.
00:39:23
Speaker
They told him it's like a formality and he doesn't have to go all out.
00:39:28
Speaker
He just needs like the blood of something, of an animal and just bring it back.
00:39:32
Speaker
And he's like, no, that would be dishonorable.
00:39:34
Speaker
And like, if your own people are telling you just to chill out a little bit,
00:39:41
Speaker
I love the description of the different ways you could cheat if you were so inclined.
00:39:44
Speaker
Like, oh, you could just kill something earlier.
00:39:48
Speaker
You could have someone else do it and then just, like, keep a little bit of the blood and splash it all over yourself and be like, wow.
00:39:54
Speaker
You guys would not believe.
00:39:57
Speaker
You wouldn't believe.
00:39:59
Speaker
I got, the tall buck exploded in my face.
00:40:04
Speaker
Yeah, I killed, like, 17 of them.
00:40:06
Speaker
I wish you guys had been there.
00:40:09
Speaker
You guys ever see that scene in Scanners?
00:40:12
Speaker
Oh, boy.
00:40:15
Speaker
So he kills the Tall Book after pages of description of the hunt.
00:40:20
Speaker
Just a lot of talking about him chasing, hunting.
00:40:26
Speaker
He's chasing and hunting.
00:40:29
Speaker
And I wrote a note here saying, description of a scene doesn't make a story.
00:40:32
Speaker
Yeah.
00:40:34
Speaker
It's just like we get like three pages of him chasing after this tall buck.
00:40:39
Speaker
We're like, I stopped caring halfway through.
00:40:43
Speaker
Just kill the fucking tall buck already.
00:40:45
Speaker
I mean, sure, this is the most active the protagonist is in the entire book, but you have to give him a moment.
00:40:52
Speaker
Give him the moment where he's setting out to do something.
00:40:55
Speaker
He loses his time to shine before he then does nothing.
00:41:00
Speaker
Does nothing but lets things happen.
00:41:02
Speaker
Oh, boy, does he.
00:41:06
Speaker
Anyway, he's an adult now.
00:41:09
Speaker
Anyway, he's an adult now.
00:41:13
Speaker
Yeah, he's an adult.
00:41:14
Speaker
He's a big boy now.
00:41:15
Speaker
He's an adult.
00:41:18
Speaker
Do they talk to the Draenei ever again?
00:41:20
Speaker
Presumably no.
00:41:21
Speaker
Presumably no.
00:41:23
Speaker
Presumably no.
00:41:24
Speaker
Yeah, he made BFFs with the Draenei.
00:41:29
Speaker
You'd think he'd be like, hey, I'm going to go hang out with the Draenei again.
00:41:33
Speaker
They had that really nice moment.
00:41:35
Speaker
They found out that they definitely speak a similar language and are totally chill with each other, have respect for each other's cultures, and they just never talk to each other ever again.
Orc-Draenei Relationship Breakdown
00:41:47
Speaker
Never talk to each other.
00:41:48
Speaker
And it's like, we're like, holy shit, we're not alone in this world.
00:41:53
Speaker
There's another sentient species right next door.
00:41:58
Speaker
It's like...
00:41:59
Speaker
Humans finding out that there are like super chill aliens like in in Greenland or something.
00:42:08
Speaker
It's like you're living out in the woods trying to, you know, build a log cabin, keep food on the table, fend off wild wolves and bears.
00:42:19
Speaker
And then another guy moves like 20 feet to your left.
00:42:22
Speaker
And you run into each other.
00:42:24
Speaker
You have a great conversation.
00:42:25
Speaker
You find out that they're a super chill dude.
00:42:27
Speaker
You get along really well.
00:42:28
Speaker
And then you're like, all right, anyway, back to fighting these wolves by myself.
00:42:33
Speaker
We're like, good luck on your hunts for the rest of your life.
00:42:37
Speaker
Right.
00:42:39
Speaker
Anyway, that was frustrating.
00:42:41
Speaker
Anyway, so...
00:42:44
Speaker
Speaking of frustrating, Mother Kasher, the shaman, and Durotan are going to the mountain to talk to the orc ghosts.
00:42:52
Speaker
And they get to the cave and they light some sage and stuff.
00:42:57
Speaker
They got to purify.
00:43:00
Speaker
They have their water things and they fill up the pond a little bit.
00:43:05
Speaker
And Durotan can't see the ghosts, but Kasher can see the ghosts.
00:43:10
Speaker
And the ghost of Talkra is like...
00:43:14
Speaker
Hey, this guy's going to be a hero of your people.
00:43:17
Speaker
Cash is like dope.
00:43:22
Speaker
And that's it.
00:43:23
Speaker
That's what happens.
00:43:24
Speaker
That's what happens.
00:43:25
Speaker
Yeah.
00:43:26
Speaker
The best part is that they say might.
00:43:28
Speaker
He like gets his hope.
00:43:29
Speaker
He's like, wait, what?
00:43:32
Speaker
That sounds cool.
00:43:33
Speaker
And she's like, OK, hold on now.
00:43:35
Speaker
They said maybe.
00:43:38
Speaker
So there's this whole chapter where they go up to listen to all these ghosts say that this guy might do something cool someday.
00:43:48
Speaker
Someday, maybe.
00:43:49
Speaker
If he doesn't die in battle or something, or an ogre kills him.
00:43:56
Speaker
Man, there's nothing like a really unspecific prophecy to make us believe that your main character truly deserves to be the main character.
00:44:06
Speaker
This guy may or may not do something of note later in his life.
00:44:11
Speaker
Thanks, Nostra Thomas.
00:44:13
Speaker
Thank you.
00:44:13
Speaker
Anyway.
00:44:16
Speaker
Anyway, yeah.
00:44:21
Speaker
So chapter five, Thrall says that hate can be both manipulated and created.
00:44:26
Speaker
And that's that's some deep stuff there, Thrall.
00:44:30
Speaker
I wonder if that's going to have any input, any impact on the story coming up.
00:44:36
Speaker
Kill Jaden.
00:44:38
Speaker
We get back to Kill Jaden.
00:44:39
Speaker
He is angy.
00:44:41
Speaker
He is.
00:44:43
Speaker
It's been centuries and he hasn't gotten his guy.
00:44:47
Speaker
He's a grumpy guy.
00:44:48
Speaker
He's a grumpy dude.
00:44:50
Speaker
And Archimonde is like, why don't you just give it up?
00:44:52
Speaker
Give up Velen.
00:44:54
Speaker
We have so much shit we can do.
00:44:56
Speaker
Kill Jaden.
00:44:57
Speaker
Focus on literally anything.
00:44:59
Speaker
There's so many worlds and planets.
00:45:03
Speaker
Do anything else.
00:45:04
Speaker
And Kill Jaden's like, no.
00:45:11
Speaker
And then Tallgoth is like, hey, I might have found them.
00:45:14
Speaker
Kill Jane's like, all right, you got to go there, watch them, observe and report and do nothing without my express written consent.
00:45:26
Speaker
Meanwhile, yeah.
00:45:29
Speaker
What a time they're having.
00:45:30
Speaker
What a time.
00:45:31
Speaker
Yeah.
00:45:33
Speaker
They are like the book also, I feel like doesn't tell you.
00:45:36
Speaker
Maybe it does at some point that the goal of Sargeras is to destroy all of creation.
00:45:42
Speaker
Right.
00:45:42
Speaker
So it kind of makes me wonder what is in it for kill Jaden.
00:45:46
Speaker
It's like, yeah, he does need to kill this one guy he used to be friends with.
00:45:51
Speaker
But, you know, it's in grand service of ending all life in the universe.
00:45:55
Speaker
Yeah.
00:45:56
Speaker
Circle back around to them, you know?
00:45:58
Speaker
Yeah, exactly.
00:45:59
Speaker
You don't need to waste time on this.
00:46:01
Speaker
It's all on the to-do list.
00:46:03
Speaker
You got a big task there, buddy.
00:46:05
Speaker
You need to take little bites over the centuries or else you're never going to get around to it.
00:46:13
Speaker
No, you can't kill everyone.
00:46:16
Speaker
if you're getting really hung up on just this one dude.
00:46:19
Speaker
On this one dude.
00:46:21
Speaker
You're, you're, you're, uh, you're, you're focused.
00:46:24
Speaker
You're not seeing the forest from the trees, uh, or the Velen from the everyone else.
00:46:30
Speaker
No.
00:46:32
Speaker
Meanwhile, it's the Koshard Festival again.
00:46:34
Speaker
Hooray!
00:46:37
Speaker
People are having fun and dancing and laughing and eating meats.
00:46:43
Speaker
Duratan notices a girl that he has a crush on.
00:46:48
Speaker
And then he's like, I don't know who she is.
00:46:50
Speaker
And then he's like, oh shit, I know who she is.
00:46:53
Speaker
Her name is Draka and she used to wear glasses, but now she doesn't, so she's hot.
00:46:59
Speaker
She's hot now.
00:47:00
Speaker
She's hot now.
00:47:02
Speaker
I didn't recognize you, but now, now you're sexy.
00:47:05
Speaker
Now you're so hot.
00:47:08
Speaker
You want to go out on a date?
00:47:09
Speaker
And she's like, I'm underage.
00:47:12
Speaker
Yeah.
00:47:14
Speaker
Yeah.
00:47:15
Speaker
I, I, I, you know, little moments where female characters, uh, don't make me sad, um, are great in fantasy books, you know?
00:47:28
Speaker
And so they give her this little moment where, you know, Durotan asks her out, of course, on a hunt to go on a date hunt, to go date, murder, murder, a murder date.
00:47:39
Speaker
Cute, meet cute, kill some deer.
00:47:43
Speaker
And she's like, oh, I don't know if I'm into you like that.
00:47:47
Speaker
I'm just going to tell you that I'm like, I'm underage.
00:47:50
Speaker
I'm like a little kid.
00:47:52
Speaker
Don't nod.
00:47:53
Speaker
It's weird.
00:47:54
Speaker
And he's like, okay, I respect it.
00:47:56
Speaker
What if we like just go regular kill some deer?
00:48:01
Speaker
Not a date.
00:48:02
Speaker
Not a date.
00:48:02
Speaker
Like, let's still go see a movie, but like not a date.
00:48:05
Speaker
As friends.
00:48:08
Speaker
I didn't hate it.
00:48:09
Speaker
I didn't hate it.
00:48:13
Speaker
He seemed like a man who can take no for an answer.
00:48:16
Speaker
Yeah.
00:48:17
Speaker
He's just so happy that he didn't have to.
00:48:20
Speaker
He didn't have to.
00:48:21
Speaker
Right.
00:48:22
Speaker
So they have, like, a really sexy hunt.
00:48:25
Speaker
It's like the scene from Ghost, but for killing deer.
00:48:29
Speaker
Yeah.
00:48:31
Speaker
Yeah, as much as she didn't want it to be a date, it totally was.
00:48:34
Speaker
It totally was.
00:48:35
Speaker
And then Draka is like, BT dubs, my birthday is today.
00:48:41
Speaker
Remember how I said I'm underage?
00:48:44
Speaker
Well, I'm legal today.
00:48:46
Speaker
Today!
00:48:50
Speaker
Yeah, she does.
00:48:50
Speaker
Yeah.
00:48:50
Speaker
Oh, God.
00:48:51
Speaker
Um...
00:49:00
Speaker
Meanwhile, I still didn't hate it.
00:49:03
Speaker
My bar is really low for fantasy books.
00:49:06
Speaker
It was fine.
00:49:06
Speaker
It was like, I don't hate it.
00:49:08
Speaker
I just think it's like when you step back from it, it's really fucking funny.
00:49:14
Speaker
It's yeah.
00:49:15
Speaker
Yeah.
00:49:16
Speaker
Yeah.
00:49:18
Speaker
My birthday is today.
00:49:22
Speaker
And Durotan's like, like the eyebrows goes up.
00:49:26
Speaker
Yeah.
00:49:27
Speaker
And they hit it immediately.
00:49:29
Speaker
Immediately.
00:49:30
Speaker
Bam.
00:49:30
Speaker
Right there.
00:49:32
Speaker
Tall Gath is watching, by the way.
00:49:35
Speaker
He is.
00:49:36
Speaker
He's watching everything.
00:49:37
Speaker
You're right.
00:49:38
Speaker
He totally was.
00:49:40
Speaker
That's weird.
00:49:41
Speaker
That's weird.
00:49:41
Speaker
He's like, gives his report and killed Jaden laughs maniacally because he has a plan.
00:49:51
Speaker
Yeah.
00:49:52
Speaker
Chapter six.
00:49:53
Speaker
Thrall talks about how unity is in fact a good thing.
00:49:58
Speaker
Thrall, where are you here?
00:50:00
Speaker
What are you doing?
00:50:00
Speaker
Thrall?
00:50:01
Speaker
Where are you here?
00:50:02
Speaker
Thanks for the feedback.
00:50:03
Speaker
Oh,
00:50:06
Speaker
Another year has passed.
00:50:08
Speaker
Durotan's pops, Garrod, was smooshed by an orc.
00:50:12
Speaker
And Durotan is the new clan leader.
00:50:16
Speaker
Mother Kasher also died.
00:50:18
Speaker
Yeah.
00:50:19
Speaker
Real off-screen.
00:50:20
Speaker
Real off-screen death energy.
00:50:22
Speaker
Somehow Palpatine has returned.
00:50:25
Speaker
Oh.
00:50:29
Speaker
Yeah.
00:50:30
Speaker
Yeah.
00:50:30
Speaker
If chapter four was they're adults now.
00:50:35
Speaker
Yeah.
00:50:35
Speaker
Chapter six is just like you're president now.
00:50:38
Speaker
They're president.
00:50:39
Speaker
They're both president now.
00:50:41
Speaker
They're both president now.
00:50:43
Speaker
Ner'zhul, who I don't think is a character we had necessarily seen that much before of, but he's super important apparently.
00:50:51
Speaker
is the head shaman, and he has a vision of his wife, Rolkan, who tells him that the world can be ruled by orcs if they come together and eliminate a common foe.
00:51:02
Speaker
Cliffhanger, we're not going to hear what that foe is yet.
00:51:06
Speaker
Did we not?
00:51:07
Speaker
Did I just fill in the gaps...
00:51:11
Speaker
They don't tell you until the next chapter.
00:51:13
Speaker
But you know.
00:51:14
Speaker
You know, right?
00:51:15
Speaker
I know who it is.
00:51:16
Speaker
Yeah.
00:51:16
Speaker
It's like, it felt weird.
00:51:18
Speaker
It felt weird.
00:51:19
Speaker
It's just like...
00:51:25
Speaker
I don't know.
00:51:27
Speaker
We'll get more into this in the next episode.
00:51:29
Speaker
This whole conflict is so strange.
00:51:31
Speaker
It's so weird.
00:51:33
Speaker
It's so weird.
00:51:34
Speaker
It's so dumb.
00:51:35
Speaker
Oh, I can't wait to talk to you about the next part.
00:51:39
Speaker
I wish that we could just do it right now.
00:51:45
Speaker
Chomping at the bit.
00:51:47
Speaker
Meanwhile, Durotan gets a letter from Ner'zhul that has invited the leaders of all the clans to the Sacred Mountain.
00:51:54
Speaker
Drakka's like, who the fuck is this guy?
00:51:56
Speaker
Who the fuck does this guy think he is?
00:51:58
Speaker
Does he think he's the president?
00:51:59
Speaker
You're the president.
00:52:00
Speaker
You're the president, Durotan.
00:52:03
Speaker
And I am the president's wife.
00:52:06
Speaker
And I say, fuck that guy.
00:52:08
Speaker
And Durotan is like, I forbid you from coming.
00:52:10
Speaker
And Drakka's like, fuck you.
00:52:11
Speaker
Yeah.
00:52:13
Speaker
He's like, okay.
00:52:15
Speaker
Okay.
00:52:16
Speaker
You're right.
00:52:17
Speaker
I was wrong.
00:52:18
Speaker
Drakka.
00:52:18
Speaker
Thank you.
00:52:19
Speaker
Drakka does actually, she does like, it's like the story, the story is like, she doesn't have any agency, but she's going to take the agency by the, by the throat and be like, yes, I will do what I want.
00:52:33
Speaker
And that including go where my husband goes.
00:52:37
Speaker
If Draka were the president of this entire book, everything would be fine.
00:52:43
Speaker
There would not have been orcs versus humans.
00:52:47
Speaker
The Draenei would be chilling.
00:52:49
Speaker
The orcs would be just hanging out, doing the hunt and dancing under the moonlight.
00:52:55
Speaker
Yeah.
00:52:56
Speaker
Yeah.
00:52:58
Speaker
If Draka was president, World of Warcraft wouldn't have happened.
00:53:01
Speaker
So I guess it's good that she wasn't because I liked World of Warcraft.
00:53:04
Speaker
Yeah.
00:53:05
Speaker
She likes World of Warcraft, but, you know, we can have an alternate history where Draka is, like, passes universal healthcare.
00:53:12
Speaker
Literally, like, her whole stance in this book is, like, what if we, like, chilled out a bit before committing genocide?
00:53:17
Speaker
What if?
00:53:18
Speaker
What if we were a little bit cooler?
00:53:21
Speaker
Yeah, and she's weird for that.
00:53:23
Speaker
She's the only person in the book who thinks that that's a good idea.
00:53:26
Speaker
She's super weird.
00:53:28
Speaker
Yeah.
00:53:30
Speaker
But she's she is she she loved West Side Story and her favorite song is Keep It Cool.
00:53:40
Speaker
So that's that's her words to live by words to live by.
00:53:46
Speaker
I can't help but get ahead.
00:53:48
Speaker
I'm sorry for spoiling that.
00:53:50
Speaker
Go for it.
00:53:51
Speaker
Go for it.
00:53:53
Speaker
Getting ahead of ourselves.
00:53:56
Speaker
Draka and Durotan meet Orgrim there, who tells them that the Blackrock clan didn't want to come.
00:54:01
Speaker
Funny, Draka didn't want to come either.
00:54:04
Speaker
Also, Orgrim carries the Doomhammer now.
00:54:07
Speaker
Sad, because that means his daddy died.
00:54:09
Speaker
Yeah.
00:54:11
Speaker
Yeah.
00:54:13
Speaker
Orgrim would rather see the Doomhammer destroyed if he could just have his dad back.
00:54:17
Speaker
Aww.
00:54:19
Speaker
This is pretty cute.
00:54:20
Speaker
It's pretty cute.
00:54:21
Speaker
Speaking of really specific prophecies, when the Doomhammer is first brought up, when the Draenei are talking to him about it, oh my god, I died when they brought up the prophecy around the Doomhammer.
00:54:33
Speaker
Orgrim is like, yeah, it's not just a cool hammer.
00:54:36
Speaker
Also, apparently, it's supposed to, like...
00:54:41
Speaker
there's supposed to be a moment where it saves the clan and then dooms the clan and then saves the clan again.
00:54:49
Speaker
And I was like, wow, your prophecy has three acts.
00:54:54
Speaker
That's a three-act structure to that prophecy.
00:54:56
Speaker
That hammer has a more specific prophecy than Durotan has of he might do something.
00:55:03
Speaker
He maybe will do something.
00:55:05
Speaker
Exactly, yeah.
00:55:06
Speaker
Yeah.
00:55:09
Speaker
The hammer is the real MVP.
00:55:11
Speaker
Hammer is the real.
00:55:13
Speaker
Yeah.
00:55:14
Speaker
Yeah.
00:55:14
Speaker
And then at that same, same at that dinner, either Velen or Restylane is like, oh, but you won't get the hammer until your dad dies.
00:55:24
Speaker
And Orgrim's like, I hadn't thought of that.
00:55:27
Speaker
I hadn't thought of that.
00:55:28
Speaker
And I'm just a kid and I'm going to cry now.
00:55:31
Speaker
Oh,
00:55:33
Speaker
Yeah, that was kind of fucked up.
00:55:35
Speaker
Why'd you bring that up?
00:55:37
Speaker
Why'd you mention that?
00:55:39
Speaker
He'll let him talk about the prophecy.
00:55:43
Speaker
So, yeah, Ner'zhul reveals to the gathered leaders of the orcs that the enemy they must destroy is the Draenei.
00:55:52
Speaker
And Daratan presses X to doubt on this one.
00:55:56
Speaker
And...
00:55:58
Speaker
Drekthar, who is the new dude, the new shaman for the Frostwolves after Mother Cashier died, says, oh yeah, Mother Cashier totally confirmed this, that the Draenei are very bad in a vision.
00:56:17
Speaker
And then Drek'thar then manages to gaslight Durotan into believing that the night he stayed with the orcs was actually a bad thing and that they were very rude and insulting and, you know, cunning with the bad plans.
00:56:33
Speaker
So that is.
00:56:37
Speaker
Yeah, that's where we are.
Ner'zhul's Influence and Conflict
00:56:40
Speaker
That's where we are, and that's where we will stay, with Durotan walking around going, huh, these guys seemed really cool.
00:56:50
Speaker
I wonder if we should kill them while literally stabbing people.
00:56:55
Speaker
Huh, I wonder if this is okay.
00:56:56
Speaker
Is this okay?
00:56:57
Speaker
I wonder if this is okay.
00:56:58
Speaker
Is this okay?
00:56:59
Speaker
Does anyone else find this weird?
00:57:02
Speaker
Yeah, he's a really cool guy.
00:57:05
Speaker
I like him.
00:57:05
Speaker
Durotan.
00:57:06
Speaker
Yeah.
00:57:07
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The most wishy-washy main character of all time, Durotan.
00:57:14
Speaker
Honestly, this is all in the Draenei for not running better PR.
00:57:19
Speaker
The Draenei needed to just... If they had just tried a little bit in the 200 years that they were there, instead of just being creepers and watching the orcs...
00:57:31
Speaker
Because that's what they're doing.
00:57:33
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They're just saying hello from time to time.
00:57:36
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Also, you know, completely joking, obviously, like the Dran, I literally did nothing wrong.
00:57:40
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Like thus far, this is a book about some chill people who save some children from being killed, send them back, keep hanging out, and then get murdered.
00:57:53
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I'd get murdered for just the dumbest of reasons.
00:57:59
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Most of all, like, it's just like a real, oh, God, when we get into it, it's going to be so fucking dumb.
00:58:08
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Yeah, I want to, we'll get there.
00:58:11
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We'll get there.
00:58:13
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All right.
00:58:13
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So we're going to, we're going to close it out there.
00:58:16
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And Sam, uh, so I got to ask you, uh, as we do at the end of every episode, what are you playing?
00:58:25
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Yeah.
00:58:26
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Um, it's like part of the reason that books like this are so exciting to me.
00:58:29
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Um, I, uh, play a lot of heroes of the storm.
00:58:32
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It's kind of mostly what I play.
00:58:35
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If I take a game break, it's to play heroes of the storm, but it's the blizzard version of league of legends.
00:58:41
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Um,
00:58:43
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And so all of these little characters we've been talking about, they, you know, some of them show up in Heroes of the Storm.
00:58:50
Speaker
And it's fun to know the lore of, you know, where these guys came from.
00:58:57
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It's fun to see, like, the little kind of retcons that Blizzard has had to throw in to keep this franchise going over the past 30 years.
00:59:07
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Genuinely, like, pretty impressive.
00:59:08
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Yeah.
00:59:10
Speaker
Like, no, that didn't happen.
00:59:11
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Like, we're changing, we're changing that around so that it's like, actually, there's a time thing.
00:59:16
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Well, yeah, I don't know if you've ever, did you play Warcraft 3?
00:59:22
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No, I didn't get... Actually, I played a little bit, but I didn't play it for story... I played it to... I just played it a little bit.
00:59:33
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Well, so it's interesting because there is a consistent kind of through line for all these characters.
00:59:40
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And it's messy, but one of the acolyte voice lines for the undead... The undead are one of the people that you can play as.
00:59:48
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One of the acolytes, if you move him around, he'll say, My life for Ner'zhul.
00:59:52
Speaker
And like, that's the Ner'zhul.
00:59:54
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Right.
00:59:55
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So I feel like that's why people really enjoy these books is like, yeah, just getting that little hit of like, oh, hey, that guy.
01:00:01
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I know that guy.
01:00:02
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Hey, Ner'zhul.
01:00:03
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Yeah.
01:00:04
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There he is.
01:00:06
Speaker
He's, he's, he's, he's here.
01:00:09
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He's here and around.
01:00:11
Speaker
But, but Heroes of the Storm also has like,
01:00:15
Speaker
Like literally all the other Blizzard characters too.
01:00:18
Speaker
It's like the conceit is they're all pulled into this battle arena universe or whatever.
01:00:27
Speaker
The best way to describe it probably would be if you...
01:00:32
Speaker
took Super Smash Bros.
01:00:34
Speaker
Sure.
01:00:35
Speaker
Put it in the format of League of Legends and then just made it Blizzard characters.
01:00:41
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It's a wacky concept, but I love it.
01:00:45
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It's also what the most recent video on my channel is about.
01:00:49
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So if you want to see Heroes of the Storm in action and hear me talk about how much I love it.
01:00:55
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Yeah, go check out that video on Sam's channel about Heroes of the Storm and her struggles with her own toxicity as a gamer.
01:01:05
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It's not good.
01:01:06
Speaker
She was a toxic gamer at one point.
01:01:08
Speaker
I was a bad, bad person playing the game.
01:01:13
Speaker
Oh, God.
01:01:13
Speaker
So I've been playing Starfield.
01:01:16
Speaker
Oh, yeah.
01:01:18
Speaker
Yeah, it's the new big Bethesda sandbox RPG that's out.
01:01:24
Speaker
I played... I was like, after the first two hours, I think I posted a message on Discord.
01:01:29
Speaker
I was like, I fucking hate it.
01:01:30
Speaker
Oh, no.
01:01:32
Speaker
Because, well, my problem with Starfield is that, like...
01:01:38
Speaker
It has a really bad opening, and then it's like... It's really bad, like really slow.
01:01:50
Speaker
It doesn't onboard you into any of the interesting things that the game does.
01:01:54
Speaker
People have been saying that about Bethesda games forever, right?
01:01:57
Speaker
Forever.
01:01:59
Speaker
It doesn't get to the meat of what's cool about the game, so...
01:02:05
Speaker
And what's funny is like we're doing this segment and we're going to this episode isn't out for a while.
01:02:12
Speaker
So I'm going to be talking about other games.
01:02:14
Speaker
I probably have like talked about star beating Starfield in another episode, but I don't care because time is bullshit.
01:02:24
Speaker
But that's that's basically what I've been playing.
01:02:27
Speaker
So, yeah.
01:02:29
Speaker
Yeah.
01:02:31
Speaker
Well, you already plugged your video.
01:02:33
Speaker
What's that?
01:02:34
Speaker
I was just going to say how excited I am about all of the Starfield glitch videos.
01:02:37
Speaker
Definitely keep those coming.
01:02:38
Speaker
I can't wait.
01:02:40
Speaker
I love watching some good glitches.
01:02:43
Speaker
Love a good Bethesda glitch.
01:02:46
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It's always nice.
01:02:47
Speaker
Always nice to see.
01:02:48
Speaker
Thank you guys so much for listening.
01:02:51
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01:02:55
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She does amazing work there.
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