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The Descent
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Katie and Carly discuss The Descent (2005), “popular” fears, sheisty friendships, femme-centered horror, and lady monsters.
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trailer:The Descent (2005) Official Trailer #1 - Horror Movie HD
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Transcript
Introduction: Childhood Fear and Podcast Theme
00:00:00
Speaker
I think I might have told you this before, but I used to also always think there was a fox in my toilet when I was a kid. I almost just did a spit take all over this microphone, all over my computer, all over the world.
00:00:25
Speaker
Welcome to it onto a podcast about the stories that haunt our dreams. I'm Katie. And I'm Carly. Today we're going to be talking about one of the movies that I find really, really terrifying, The Descent.
00:00:37
Speaker
Yeah, this was the first time I saw it. It was pretty scary, but I think also like pretty safe scary for most people, but there are, there's a good number of jump scares and it does touch on, I think like some really common fears, like fear of heights, fear of the dark, fear of confined spaces, which I think are like, not to say popular, but like they're, they're like. All the cool kids have those fears. Yeah.
00:01:06
Speaker
But I want to just say, before we get too much into the movie, I'm dog sitting.
Sound Challenges and Note Taking
00:01:13
Speaker
So my sound might be different here. My internet is better though. But Pat just went to get water because they have a cooler, but there's no water for it. And the tap water is not good here.
00:01:30
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But there's three dogs, and they're probably gonna lose their shit when he comes back because they are all very reactive and feeding off of each other. So I'll probably just pause it then or see what happens. Yeah, fair enough. But yeah, so I wrote out I've got
00:01:53
Speaker
eight pages of notes, but a lot of it was like me summarizing plot points. I also, I was taking like really detailed notes and then like halfway through it, I was like, I think I'm gonna do an aerobics video while I'm watching this. So then I stopped. It wasn't halfway through, like people had already started dying. It was like maybe three quarters of the way through.
Movie Summary: 'The Descent'
00:02:17
Speaker
So, The Descent. It is about a woman who's recovering from the loss of her daughter and her husband, and she rejoins a group of old adventurous friends for a spelunking trip that turns unexpectedly dangerous. Both their survival skills and their loyalties are tested as they try to escape before succumbing to their environment. Did you write that or did you find it? I wrote it. It's so good.
00:02:44
Speaker
I mean, it's probably similar to other ones that I listen to, but I didn't like read any summaries. I watched a lot of YouTube videos, but I mean, I do have a degree in creative writing. I just don't use it, but I'm theoretically trained to write things.
00:03:02
Speaker
So the movie opens, they're white watery rafting. I was kind of expecting something to go wrong with the white watery rafting. That is a hard phrase to say. I want to say like white water rafting, but it's a tongue twister. But they, I think somebody like jumps out or is pushed out
Whitewater Rafting and Movie Themes
00:03:23
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at the end. Juneau is pushed out, I think.
00:03:25
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Yeah. But that was, I think part of why that scared me especially, I've always wanted to go whitewater rafting. But I also, one of my recurring nightmares is that I'm in the water and I lose my ore. And then I'm just like stuck there. I've gone whitewater rafting like several times. Oh, really? Yeah, that's exciting.
00:03:45
Speaker
Did you like it? I mean, several times. It's really fun. Yeah. I mean, I think like every time I did it, I kind of just ended up there. Like I was either like with my family or like on a like on a like organized trip or something. You know what I mean? Like,
Plot Twist: Juno's Affair and Cave Exploration
00:03:59
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but honestly, I would do it again. I'd probably be way more scared of it today than I was back then, because I don't feel like I trust my body the same way I did as like a kid and a teenager. But it was definitely fun. Like it was it was pretty cool. My whole family went when I was like pretty young.
00:04:14
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And we had a good time. It's like one of my more positive memories from childhood. I saw a video recently of somebody like falling off and like how like they had like the guy that was like leading it had like taught everybody how to work together to like get somebody back on the boat if they fall off. Yeah, they do a lot of safety precautions stuff. And it's usually shallow. Like it's the rocks are the part that's scary. Not like you'll get stranded where you can't get to lay. Yeah. Yeah. Like if you lose your whore, that's like not the biggest deal.
00:04:44
Speaker
In my dreams when I'm without an oar, I'm usually like in the middle of a big pond. It's not like white water rafting. It's like still, but it's like, okay, do I just use my hands? And then sometimes I like come to a waterfall and I'm like trying to paddle backwards real fast to not go over the waterfall. Oh no.
Dreams and Survival Instincts
00:05:05
Speaker
It's okay. Usually somebody saves me or I wake up.
00:05:10
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They seemed pretty well bonded, the women who were rafting. And then when they're getting out and getting ready, I like just noticed some weirdness, some tension between Sarah and Juno and Sarah's husband who's like helping Juno.
00:05:33
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kids. Yeah. Like, I didn't really know what the relationships were between any of those people at that point. But then we see pretty quickly, Sarah in the car with her husband and kid and then it's like more obvious that it was a little weird that he was interacting with her friend in that way. Yeah. And I, I, one of the things that I like really noticed was that it is like so obvious at the beginning that they're having an affair. Right.
00:06:00
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Cause I like remember being really shocked by that the first time I saw the movie. I remember being like, what? But it's not that shocking. Yeah. I think it's something that I have like an extra Spidey sense for now because one of my exes is dating one of my ex best friends. And I like, I don't know. Now I'm like,
00:06:23
Speaker
Who's being sketchy? And... Where's the... Oh yeah, so like, I was assuming something bad was gonna happen during the white water rafting, but then we're in a car and that's where something bad happened and they've kind of like lulled you into a sense of security again.
00:06:38
Speaker
And then it's like out of nowhere. The car, well, first they're in England, I think. They're somewhere where they're driving. The person drives on the opposite side of the road. And the thing that's looking off at first is when the mom turns around, I was like, you can't turn around, you're driving. And then I was like, oh, wait, no, no, it's the other side.
00:07:01
Speaker
And then, but the dad like, it's kind of hard to tell what happens and I rewatched the scene several times. He was just like spacing out. It looks like either his car or the other car veered into, like he just drives into a car that has poles on it and then the pole goes through his pet. He was like spacing out and like drifting over a lane and then she was like, what's up? Okay.
00:07:25
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He was just like fully skewered. Yeah. And the daughter too, but we don't see, we don't like actually see any of it, which I appreciated. Yeah, I appreciate that too. I was thinking though that like from where the daughter was sitting in the car, it like didn't make sense to me that she died because wasn't she behind her mom? But I guess her mom was banged up too, but I don't know. That part, I was like, wait, why is the daughter? I wasn't expecting the daughter to be dead, but it does make sense for Sarah's
Anticipation of Hospital Scene
00:07:53
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journey through the rest of the movie.
00:07:55
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And then she wakes up in a hospital. She's having kind of, this is like our first scene where she's having some vision-y type thing. Like she's running out and like looking for people and the scene goes black. I kind of thought that we were gonna go into like some zombie sequence thing there. Cause I've seen so many zombie movies where somebody like wakes up from a hospital and nobody's around. And I was like, oh, this feels like that. Yeah, it definitely has that tone. And she like finds out her daughter's dead.
00:08:25
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Some of her friends are there. I think it's Beth is like comforting her on the floor of the hospital and like all these people appear again when the lights go back on. And Juno is there like crying, but she just like leaves and doesn't really comfort her. Yeah. And then there's the title scene, which I can't remember what it looks like actually.
00:08:45
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And then they, I think it says that they're in the Appalachian Mountains there, which I only recently found out is pronounced Appalachian. I said Appalachian for most of my life growing up in Massachusetts, which isn't that far from it. Yeah.
00:09:01
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But I found a video. I mean, I know people from Appalachia who have told me that's how it's said. But I found a video that was like talking about why it's important to pronounce it the right way. And yeah, I noticed that there's a Chattanooga or chat chat. Is it a Chattanooga? I just wrote it wrong. I think. I think so. Chattanooga National Park sign and it looks like it has bullet holes through it. Yeah, it didn't look safe.
00:09:25
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or welcoming. Well, and then they get to this like run down looking barn. It's not really clear to me how much time is supposed to have passed since the hospital. It's been like a year, I think. I don't think it's said. Because at one point they're talking and Sarah says to Beth, well, Juno came to see me last year. And then they were like, well, she left very fast after that and whatever, but it kind of gives us at least somewhat of a timeline. Okay.
00:09:52
Speaker
Yeah, the whole time they were there, I was like, it just like felt kind of uncomfortable. But I was like, I guess this is kind of how it feels like if you're on a trip with friends, but you like, there's like a lot of people you don't know. And it's just like, even if the people are friendly, it can be a little uncomfortable. But I will say one of the things that I really like about the beginning when they're all kind of arriving to their little cabin is just like, it's so nice that there are no men in this movie. Like, I know there's the dad, there's the dad slash husband for like a little bit.
00:10:18
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but there's like no men in this movie, which is kind of refreshing. And there is like that undercurrent of the cheating story, but that's like a very small part of the movie. Like, which I feel like is pretty, is pretty different. Is it a very small part of the movie? I feel like it's a major part of the movie considering the end. I feel like it only takes up like three minutes of actual like airspace though. Like it's not insignificant, but it's not like most of the movie is not about that.
00:10:42
Speaker
Yeah, that's true. Like there's only five minutes where you're actually thinking about that. I think a lot of the decisions that are made kind of relate to that once Sarah knows about it. But yeah, it is happening later. Yeah, but that's also when there's like no bonding or conversation happening anymore. Anyway, you know what I mean?
00:11:02
Speaker
Like, they're not sitting around talking about this for, like, the entire opening when we're, like, getting to know their personalities. Right, yeah. They're kind of all trading stories of adventurous things that they've done. Holly, who does bass jumping, is, like, asking her about it. Uh, Sarah's sister is there, and she's, like, it sounds like she's in medical school, so she hasn't really seen her been available. And Sarah's kind of like, it's fine, it's fine, but her sister's, like, apologetic and happy to be there.
00:11:30
Speaker
And also, like, just anytime that somebody says they're a doctor or a medical student, I'm like, that's good. In, like, I mean, in a horror movie, especially, I'm like, yeah, we're gonna need you. Right. When are you going to be put under an extreme amount of pressure with extreme expectations despite probably having never even done any actual work?
00:11:49
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Yeah. And that's when they start discussing like the cave that they were supposed to go to, which isn't where they end up. And Holly says it might as well have handrails in a fucking gift shop. Yeah. Can we just like talk about the idea of that for a minute? I know that gets revealed later, but since we're kind of it doesn't matter.
00:12:09
Speaker
Can you imagine if I brought you on a trip and just took you to an entirely different place than I told you? Even if it wasn't like this. One of my notes is this is one of those premises that could never happen to me because I just need so many details to go along with anything. I would have asked so many questions and then I would have looked up where you're going and all this stuff and noticed that we were not in the right place and been like, nope, I'm good.
00:12:39
Speaker
But also, like, yeah, that's one of the things that made me be like, oh, Juno is like not trustworthy. Right? She's like really, she's really out there. Like, that's such a crazy thing to do. Like, I just can't even imagine. And there's a point this is like much later in the movie, but there's a point where Sarah says to her, is this about you or is it about me? Right.
00:12:57
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And she's like, it's about us. I wanted us to name it. Maybe your name and Sarah's like, or maybe your name. And there she's like not buying any of it. And it's just outrageous. It's like, and especially because she doesn't even know all of the people like in a meaningful way. Like she doesn't even know what people she's bringing into the situation. It's just like, what are you doing? What are you doing? You're supposed to be like the most experienced person here. You're like bitching at everyone about safety the whole time. And you like took people to an uncharted fucking cave.
00:13:25
Speaker
Yeah, she seems way too overconfident. And yeah, I mean, the whole situation is her fault. Because she let all these people there and they didn't even know how to prepare for it. Yeah, it's like blatantly her fault. It's not even like, oh, you could like argue that it's her fault. Like, no, it's like objectively her fault. Because really, maybe not like the monsters, but the rest of it, she should have known. If you really do this, and you like are educated about it, you know, you can't just like do that. Right.
00:13:55
Speaker
Yeah, I think that's one of the scariest things about the movie is even beyond there being literal monsters, they're like, it made me like short of breath when I was watching it because I was like imagining them running out of
Spelunking Dangers and Sound Recording
00:14:08
Speaker
air running out of water like their flashlights dying and things like that. Well, and I think that's the thing like as I was watching this movie, and I think I felt this way every time.
00:14:17
Speaker
i'm so glad that it's not like monsters from the beginning and that you have to actually sit with how fucked up the situation is because it is very fucked up and it is very dangerous and it's something that i find so scary like i think caves are so scary and it's just so like when she gets stuck in the tunnel that's like one of the scariest moments and that thing is how you know that's just like very it's mundane in a way like with respect to horror
00:14:43
Speaker
And the part where Holly snaps her fucking leg in half, like, just kill me. Just literally kill me. Leave me in that chamber. Take my body with you and eat me. I don't even care. Like, I just can't. I'm really surprised how far they got with her, with her leg. And it was a compound fracture where the bones, like, coming out of her leg. That was wild. I was, yeah, I was really surprised that they were able to get her out of there and keep moving from there. Doesn't go very far, but...
00:15:10
Speaker
They tried. I appreciate their effort. But when they were talking about the, like might as well have a gift shop and a handrail, I was thinking about that cave in La Jolla. I can't go down there because it's like just a bunch of steps that I can't do. But it's like literally the entrance to the cave is in a gift shop and it has a handrail.
00:15:31
Speaker
Because there are caves like that. Yeah, and that one you like literally just walk into and like look around and then go back up the stairs, I guess. You don't need any equipment, anything. But before they go to the cave, the night before, Sarah's sleeping, and she has a dream where she hears an eagle and she gets up to look out the window. And I think she like hears her daughter laughing or something too.
00:15:54
Speaker
And then the pole comes through the window and through her face and then she wakes up. But that was scary to me. But it was kind of just a little throwaway scene, but it was a shocker. I don't remember when she starts having, she has this repeat vision of her daughter in front of her birthday cake, which I think is what they were talking about right before the car accident happened.
00:16:20
Speaker
Yeah, I think that started with the dream, but I could be wrong. That's what I was thinking too, but I think the first time is when she's in the hospital. Oh, maybe. But it happens several times while she's in the cave. I also just thought, I mean, I guess these are just different people than the kind of person that I am, but I can't really imagine being like, oh, you're still recovering from this major trauma. Do you want to go spelunking?
00:16:48
Speaker
I don't know it just seems like such a random thing but I mean I guess I think that they're like more so trying to like get her back in her routine if it's been like a year and that's something that she would normally do but everybody else is like hyped and she's like okay I'll come along and they seem to like not be very receptive of like what she actually wants to do.
00:17:09
Speaker
I don't know, because it seems like they're trying to get her back into her life. You know what I mean? Because it seems like I almost kind of interpreted it as they do an adventure every year. Okay. Yeah, I could see that. I don't like know where I created that. But like, I guess that's what my brain filled in as a backstory for like, why were they were whitewater rafting and why they're doing this a year later, like, I just placed it as the core group. You know what I mean? Yeah.
00:17:34
Speaker
and then like there's some extra people or whatever but this is this group of people like do an adventure every year and so this is their yearly adventure and they're trying to make sure she comes because this is one of the things she does i don't know i think it would be like somebody trying to get me to go to like a music festival and i would be like bummed about it maybe because i would be like
00:17:51
Speaker
sad but also would probably be good for my brain so I don't know I kind of get it yeah and so like right before they leave they take a group picture with a timer and then we see the picture at the end I can't remember what's in that moment or later but we see the picture like as it is and then it like kind of jumps back and like fades out I think that's for the credits at the end yeah
00:18:13
Speaker
then they're driving to the cave and they're like speeding and being kind of wild and I think it was Sarah and Juno who were driving and they seem like they're kind of competing and seeing like who can drive faster and stuff and Sarah like seems she has like a moment where she like sort of hesitates and like isn't in it and then she seems to like start having fun with the competition aspect.
00:18:38
Speaker
And the med student has this watch that keeps going off, it has like a weird alarm setting or something, and she's like, I don't know how to turn this off, but my boyfriend gave it to me and it's sentimental, so I don't want to get rid of it. And I was like, Oh, no, that's gonna fuck you up later. Yeah, it's funny, because even without knowing what's coming, you just know that like, okay, so that's gonna be a thing.
00:19:00
Speaker
Right? Yeah, I feel like the more I've watched movies, the more I'm like, oh, I see what's happening here. I pick up like the little things that usually you would like notice afterwards more. Yeah, I think that the med student's older sister was driving. Juno was in the car with her but was like egging her on driving super fast. But isn't the med student's older sister Sarah? No. I thought that the med student was Sarah's sister.
00:19:24
Speaker
There was another girl there who was her older sister. I was very confused by about who everyone was until much later. I kind of sworn she said when she was like, Oh my God, I'm sorry. I haven't been around. Like I haven't been a good sister or something like that. I don't know. And we have to rewatch that scene. Hold on. I'm googling. I'm googling. Okay. Sam and Rebecca are the people who I think are sisters. I don't even remember there being someone named Sam.
00:19:53
Speaker
I got Beth, I got Juno, I got Becca, who's Rebecca, I guess, and I got Holly, and I got Sarah. Yeah, and Sam. All right, good for you, Sam. I think Sam is Becca's older sister, though. But maybe they're all sisters, I don't know. And during that driving scene, or maybe it's when they're walking to the cave, Juno says, like, I've never been to the caves, but they're only a level two, and they're quite safe. And somebody says, like, are you lost or something when they're, I forget if it's when they're driving or walking, but I think it's when they're
00:20:23
Speaker
walking. And she says, relax, I've never been lost in my life. Right. Famous words. Seriously. Joining the journey is Juno's protege Holly, skilled Scandinavian climber Rebecca, and Rebecca's half sister Sam. Yeah. Yeah. Sweetest medical student studying in America. Wait, Sam's the medical student? I thought Rebecca was the medical student. I couldn't remember which was which, but I remembered that they were siblings.
00:20:51
Speaker
I'm going to have to rewatch this anyways, but it was definitely good enough to rewatch. I think it warrants a rewatch. For sure. Oh, I remember what I was going to say. It was going to be about the watch. It was going to be about the watch. Yes. Okay.
00:21:06
Speaker
I think that when movies do stuff like that and when it works, and I think in this one it works so well, you're thinking about it kind of the whole time that when you rewatch it. Okay, so when I turned this movie on, I was kind of wondering like, will this be the time that I've seen it too many times for it to work really well on me?
00:21:22
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You know what I mean? Because I do think even with scary like stuff that really scares you if you see it enough times It becomes too predictable. It doesn't like work. Yeah, it didn't it wasn't there yet It was still very scary to me and because I knew it was good I knew how it fit in but I didn't remember like the play-by-play of the movie like I remember some like standout moments and stuff and I kind of remember the order of who dies but not when and how and The whole time I'm like when is that thing gonna go off?
00:21:48
Speaker
When is that gonna happen? When is that gonna happen? It's funny because it even works better the second time because they don't dwell on it for too long. You know what I mean? They do it really well. And it's a really good one. I think this movie has a lot of jump scares, but I feel very strongly that this movie earns its jump scares very well because it just builds tension so well. It makes you so nervous and so stressed out.
00:22:13
Speaker
Yeah, I feel like this movie from the way you're talking about it, I think it might be scarier to you than it is to me, which is interesting. I don't think we've covered a movie that that's the case for so far. I think this is one of the scariest movies ever. Like, I think this movie is scary before the monsters come. I just think it's
Personal Fear Thresholds: 'The Descent' vs. Other Films
00:22:31
Speaker
so scary. Half of my notes when I was watching it, like I moved things around and added a lot of stuff after, but half of my notes while I was watching it was like, just fucking kill me. Like, I just can't.
00:22:43
Speaker
Basically everything that went wrong, that was all I could think. I was like, just fucking kill me. Like I don't, I can't do this. Yeah. I feel like I have enough of a survival instinct that when I'm in situations, like not, I've never been in a situation like that, but like I've been in some situations where I was like, how am I going to get out of this or stuck somewhere? And it feels like, okay, I guess this is the end. And somehow I like get out and every time I'm like,
00:23:12
Speaker
How did I do that? I feel like some other part of me takes over or like the adrenaline that you got. But there were situations watching this where I was like, nope, I'm out. And I definitely feel, I feel like they just kill me now feeling way more in like apocalypse type situations where I'm like, this is not gonna be able to get my meds. I'm gonna lose my glasses. It's too hard. Yeah, that's fair. This movie definitely brings that out for me.
00:23:38
Speaker
I obviously can't imagine what I would actually do if I was in a situation like that, because I think adrenaline does take over. But just from sitting here, I'm like, fuck that. I have had an okay life. I don't need this. I can call it a day. I can really call it a day. I think it's fine. Yeah, I'll be best laying on the ground being like, you have to kill me.
00:24:01
Speaker
She was already severely injured. Yeah, I was just going to add, but way, way sooner. Way, way sooner than that. I would be fine laying down of my own accord, physically, fully able to lay myself down gently and be like, bye guys. Who's going to do it? I'm waiting.
00:24:20
Speaker
Yeah, I think it's safe to say there's no spelunking for us in our near futures, at least. I don't know. I do weird shit that I am scared to do, so it could happen, but nothing like this. Nothing where I would need equipment. Yeah, I could go for a casual spelunk. It's such a good word. I like to say, I went spelunking. It is a nice word. It is a very nice word.
00:24:45
Speaker
Oh yeah, I just want to say also, I think maybe I need to try watching it, just like what we were talking about, like a totally in the dark movie, because I was watching it with the lights on, I was kind of on my phone some of the time, and then I was doing an aerobics video with the instructor being like, yeah!
Watching Horror Films: Distractions and Atmosphere
00:25:04
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Yeah, that doesn't work. At least for me, there are some movies that you need to just... When I made my teenage cousin watch Blair Witch Project, I made her put her phone away and I turned off all the lights and I made us wait until my grandma was asleep so that there would be no interruptions.
00:25:24
Speaker
and I turned all the lights off in the whole house and I closed the door. I was like, we're doing this. You have such a quiet knocking on my phone. She thought it was good. And I said, do you get why we had to actually pay full attention to it? And she was like, yeah, I think so. So that was kind of nice.
00:25:43
Speaker
I have to, I look like I just picked up crochet again. It was my hyper fixation between like November and March and then I kind of lost it, but I'm trying to get back into it mostly because it's like the only thing that I can do that makes me not look at my phone when I'm watching TV.
00:25:59
Speaker
When we watch Blair Witch Project, you need to watch it with no phone in the dark. That's the only way you can watch that movie. It doesn't work otherwise. It just doesn't. I don't think this one would eat. There are some movies, like a movie like Hereditary, that's whatever. Like you can watch that anytime because that's more about the dread.
00:26:16
Speaker
You know what I mean? It's not, like, scary, scary. But, like, if something is, like, scary in that way, yeah, I really, like, you need to, like, create the environment to allow yourself to be scared. But I have to say, like, I, this house, every time we stay here when we're dog-sitting, I, like, already have a hard time sleeping and I get scared. And I think it's just because it's, like, different house noises than my house, but I always am, like, somebody's in the house. I swear there's someone in the house.
00:26:43
Speaker
house. I've like woken Pat up to check out the house like 15 times here. And now I'm like, okay, it's probably nothing. But I like I still I'm scared of scaring myself while I'm here. But maybe I'll be okay. I think that's also why I generally I often will watch horror movies and like the afternoon because then I have time to like wind down from it. Yeah, you go to bed earlier than I do, which I think is also relevant because like
00:27:10
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I watch them like late but I'm also just up late so like I usually will watch something else or like listen to a podcast or read a Stephen King book which is a weird thing to do to unscare yourself but whatever.
00:27:23
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Yeah, so they start hiking into the caves. I think it's Juno as they're going down warns them, or I guess it's before they go down because of my next step. She's saying like, just be aware of dehydration disorientation, you can get paranoia and hallucinations.
00:27:40
Speaker
And then they come across a dead moose and they're like, what do you think did that? And again, dead animals, never a good sign, snowmen, especially like a big ass animal, like a moose. I don't want to know who took that down. I mean, I do and I still don't want to. Then they start descending and Beth says, oh my God, I'm gonna die as she's going down. And I was like, yes, Beth, you are.
00:28:05
Speaker
Yeah. I was kind of thinking either you're gonna die first or you're gonna make it to the end. It would have been really funny if Beth had been the final girl of this movie. But as they're going down, somebody knocks into something and a bunch of bats fly out and the creatures to me have a lot of vampiric elements and I think
00:28:29
Speaker
the bats kind of were the first hint of that to me but I think it's also like that they say like bats use echolocation and so do these creatures when we get to know them. As we're going down further they start like figuring out that they don't know where they are and are getting lost. A couple people try to talk to Sarah about the accident like apologize for it and she's just like can we not?
00:28:53
Speaker
I don't want to talk about this. And then the first kind of thing that's like, oh, no, things aren't going right is everybody like goes through this little hole and then Sarah gets stuck in it. And the way that this happened, like overall didn't really make sense to me because she's like stuck and then everybody's like, you got to calm down. And she's like having the vision of her daughter with the birthday cake. And then you can hear that it's starting to collapse or something. And
00:29:21
Speaker
And then she's like, you gotta go now. And suddenly she can move. And I was like, okay, how did she, like, she just needed the, she wasn't actually stuck. Or did she just like find a way to force herself out when it was about to collapse? They did leave the rope bag. So I think that was part of it. But that was kind of weird to me. They also told like a very weird joke. At that point, I think it was Holly says, how do you give a lemon an orgasm?
00:29:47
Speaker
You tickle it, ceteras. Which does make me chuckle, but I was like, why?
00:29:54
Speaker
Yeah, I assume she was stuck partially because of the rope bag, but I also just thought she was panicking a little bit. I think it's like very easy to feel stuck when you are touching something on all sides, even if you're not stuck. You know what I mean? Like if you're like already maybe a little stressed out, this is maybe a little more than you were expecting based on the books that you read about the caves that your friend said they were taking you to. You know what I mean? I could imagine just being in any situation where I can touch something with all sides of my body and be like, I'm stuck.
00:30:22
Speaker
right and like not maybe actually be stuck but just feel so stuck that I can't move I can kind of picture that so I don't know I kind of thought it was like a combo of things but I also think that if it's not collapsing you have time to do it in a way that won't scrape you as much like you know what I mean you can like take your time with it a little bit and I think obviously like if it's collapsing it's like well fuck
00:30:42
Speaker
you know, if you're gonna, if you want to live through that, you're probably gonna have to fuck your skin up a little, a little bit. That's true. I don't know. So I kind of felt like it made some sense to me. Yeah. And then so after they are all on the other side, they're kind of like, Oh, shit, it's closed off. Like, we won't be able to get back that way. And somebody's like, Oh, well, there's three ways in and out, right? And is asking Juno for the map. And she's like,
00:31:04
Speaker
I don't have it, I left it." And then she like reveals that they're not where they think they are and that she thought it would bond them. And then she says, we all lost something in that crash. And I was like, oh, did we, Juno? Right. She's like so off. It's unbelievable how brazen she is about it. I can't believe it.
00:31:25
Speaker
pretty ridiculous. Yeah. And I thought they were completely out of ropes and fucked at that point. But then they do still have another bag of ropes, but it's like half as many as they intended to have. This scene was one of the scariest for me. They then like come to a cliff and there's another spot on the other side, but they have to climb across in a way that is like this is where I'm like, just kill me. Yeah.
00:31:50
Speaker
All of it. Actually, the first time I said it was when she was still stuck in that thing. I was like, nope. Nope. Yeah. Nope. Also, they all had so many carabiners. I mean, it seems like they were using a lot of them, but I was like, is that real? Do people actually have that many? It felt like ad placement for carabiners almost. It was weird.
00:32:17
Speaker
I mean, probably. I would imagine you have as many or if more of how many rope you have, like how many ropes you have, right? You would need like at least the same number of carabiners as rope, probably more. And they're like going on like a thing. They're not just like climbing up a climbing wall.
00:32:33
Speaker
but it's not casual. I feel like they probably have a bunch of, they also had fucking axes, you know what I mean? Like they were seriously out there or in there, I don't know. And as they're crawling across, I mean, one of the things I wrote down is these women are incredibly strong. Like I don't know what the, they were probably like on a green screen and stuff, but like still just, I can't even do monkey bars. So just watching someone do something like that, I'm like, wow, impressive.
00:33:00
Speaker
Unbelievable and very cool. Yeah, like I just think this is like a bit like I kind of think I like most of the characters in this Yeah, except for Juno basically Juno was extremely attractive the actress which made me like her more than I probably would have Yeah, that's fair, but I still was like you're a terrible person, but you're also like I get it
00:33:26
Speaker
Yeah, Juno says to Sarah, like, around there, it's about us getting back to what we used to be, which, like, she seems to, like, kind of understand that they can't get back to where they used to be, but is also, like, please, like, when shit starts going down, Juno is, like, looking out for Sarah the most, like, she keeps calling for her and stuff.
00:33:45
Speaker
But it's just a weird situation. They also when they're crawling across, they find somebody they find old equipment in the rocks. And they're like, Okay, somebody else got through here, but like they couldn't have made it out or they would have named it right. You never want to be in a cave with no name and see old equipment.
00:34:04
Speaker
Yeah, that's no good. Yeah, I feel like that's really the first indication that something is really, really, really wrong. Right. And yeah, I think that they say that the equipment they found is at least 100 years old. That was, I was like, Oh, no, this is not good. Oh, yeah. Juno also drops while she's crawling because she's not crawling climbing, because she's like trying to get all the equipment out. And then she just smacks into the wall, but they pull her up. But when she falls, one of the women gets their hands like really badly cut and that
00:34:34
Speaker
I hate that. I can like feel it while you're saying it. Oh no. I wasn't feeling it while I was saying it until I saw you react. And then I felt I like felt that in my hands while you were talking. Oh god, that is awful. This is what I'm saying. Like everything about this movie just is just so awful.
00:34:54
Speaker
Yeah, and a little bit after that they see like a drawing on the wall and it has the mountain and then it shows like two entrances to the cave that presumably somebody who was there in the past made and that's when Sarah first says like I think I saw something but like they said sometimes you can have hallucinations or paranoia there so everybody's kind of like we don't have time let's just keep going and I think like they're starting to worry about running out of air and also there are flashlights going at that point the flashlights do start going and
00:35:24
Speaker
They were really stupid with their flashlights though, because they would use their headlamps and their flashlights and the flares all at
Critique on Light Source Usage in the Cave
00:35:29
Speaker
the same time. So stupid. So I'm also like, get it together. Yeah, I mean, I think that they had the knowledge to use things more effectively, but they were panicking. So they probably weren't. But I think also that was just like a production thing because they wanted, I don't know, they probably wanted more light at certain times.
00:35:47
Speaker
I do like and it is really scary how much it goes in and out of the dark and I'm like kind of scared of the dark sometimes it's fine but I mean like this is the kind of thing that like attacks my fear of the dark in the right way because it's not like I'm not scared of the dark I'm scared of something being in the dark.
00:36:04
Speaker
Right, well that's why I say this is like a movie you watch in the dark because I'm like looking at the dark corners of my house while I'm watching this movie and I'm like obviously nothing is there like I don't even you know what I mean nothing is there but it's so much more fun than I am in that situation where I'm just kind of looking around and I'm like oh wow it's really dark over there.
00:36:25
Speaker
It's like when you're a kid and you think there's a shark in the pool. Yes, exactly. And it's like, you know that there's not a shark in the pool because why the fuck would there be a shark in the pool? But the idea of it is still really scary and like in a way that is unreasonable, but fun kind of.
00:36:41
Speaker
I think I might have told you this before, but I used to also always think there was a fox in my toilet when I was a kid. I almost just did a spit take all over this microphone, all over my computer, all over the world. And I don't know, like, it makes no sense, like, how... But I would always, like, I would get so nervous every time I sat on the toilet, I was like, the fox is gonna bite my butt.
00:37:05
Speaker
Why a fox? Like, why was it a fox? I don't know. There was a fox. Okay, I think I actually kind of know a legitimate answer for why my brain went there, but it's still not logical. There was like a lot of foxes in my backyard and there was like a brook.
00:37:20
Speaker
there and there was pipes and um and my mom said that the pipes like went to the sewer so I think I was like foxes gonna twirl up the pipe being the twirl but like obviously they would have drowned like that's not I don't know that's amazing I'm so glad to know this about you this is where my fear of spiders comes from probably
00:37:44
Speaker
Oh my goodness. That is wild. Yeah. A wild theory. Spiders I can understand a little bit more though, but a fox. Yeah. I told Carly recently that I can't sleep without underwear on because I'm scared that spiders are going to crawl inside me, even though I know it's not real. Oh my god.
00:38:04
Speaker
I know I've heard it before, but it's wild. I literally, I tried to sleep with that under the other night and I couldn't. I kept waking up and being like, ah. And there's no space. I don't. I don't know.
00:38:22
Speaker
But in the show, raising hope, the whole family starts sleeping with pantyhose over their heads because the new girlfriend is like, I'm scared of spiders crawling in any of my orifices and does it. And then all the family catches that fear and starts sleeping like that. And I was like, I feel that.
00:38:45
Speaker
You just need like a giant head-to-toe pantyhose thing. I would feel better with it, honestly. Oh my god. It's like mosquito netting for your soul.
00:39:00
Speaker
So then their lights start going, Holly thinks she sees daylight and starts just like running, which like, why? I don't know. That was just one of the fullest foolish choices. And Juno's like, No, no, it's not daylight. But she's like, doesn't even hear her really, because she's just so excited. And then she falls into a hole. That's when she gets the compound fracture. And I also wrote in my notes their note to self
00:39:24
Speaker
Phosphorus in rocks looks like daylight. I don't know when I'm gonna need that information. I don't know when you're gonna need that information.
00:39:31
Speaker
When we go casually. Yes, exactly. It's also like raining there. It's like very wet. I kept being like, okay, can we find where this water's coming from? It feels like that's probably dripping from the outside, but I guess it could just be through like a small crack and not something they can necessarily get through. While Sarah is like the only one who isn't in the hole, it seems like they like all get down there to help get her out. And Sarah is like hearing shit. She also finds this old helmet that kind of looked like a Mandalorian helmet is weird.
00:40:01
Speaker
Um, but more evidence of people being in there a long time ago. And then we, we have the med student has her shining moment where she resets the leg, which is also horrible to watch. And Sarah hears a growling and that's, I paused the movie there just cause I had to pee, but it ended up pausing like right on the creature. And it was like hard to see cause it was all like dark except for the creature was there. But I was like, this looks like Gollum from Lord of the Rings.
00:40:28
Speaker
I think I just sent it to you and said it looked like a Gollum ultrasound because it's like distorted and not quite right but I was like okay so this is something there's something there I thought it was just this one dude at first I was ready for it to just be one and for that to be terrifying but I don't even know how many of them
00:40:49
Speaker
And I think that's again why I think this movie really earns its scares because I feel like it just saves it for when it needs to continue to crank
Pacing and Tension in 'The Descent'
00:40:59
Speaker
it up a notch. Because I feel like a lot of movies, if they get too scary too early, you get used to it.
00:41:04
Speaker
And it's like, you can only take it so far before it starts to be cheesy or like ridiculous or not even good anymore. So I feel like this movie paced everything so perfectly and have this slow escalation that all of a sudden was like fucking crazy. Yeah, I agree that it built on itself really well. And like, in contrast, we were talking about smile that yeah, the pacing was much better here.
00:41:27
Speaker
Yeah, this is a great movie. Yeah, so then they're all kind of like in this area that's like more open than most of the spaces they've been but they start noticing like a bunch of bones around them and they're like, and then they're like shining their flashlights. Oh, the way this scene was shot was really good to where it's like dark and then they're shining and then we see like the creatures running and they start circling them.
00:41:49
Speaker
Oh my god. And then Holly is the weakest link with the broken leg and she pretty quickly gets taken. And then they're all kind of get separated as they're fighting them. And Juno kills one of them. And I don't think she meant to stab Beth, but she is just in fight mode and turns around really quickly and stabs her right in the neck. Which is a really wild thing to do.
00:42:14
Speaker
Yeah, this is not the only movie where something like that happens where someone is like fully in fight or flight and just kills someone because they didn't know they were there and it just happened. But I think this was the first movie I saw that did that and it just shook me to my core. I was like, holy shit.
00:42:30
Speaker
It's definitely struggling with my feelings around that where I was like, Oh, she like should have known to like pause or something. But like also in that situation, I can see how it could just happen so fast where she like thinks she's Yeah, like you said, fight or flight.
00:42:45
Speaker
She's in the fight. And she happens to stab her with the necklace that we find out that she got from Sarah's husband, who I don't think we ever get his name. I want to say it's Paul, but I am pulling that out of my ass. And it's like a, I don't know, it's sharp enough of a necklace. It has like a jagged end. It's sharp enough that she stabs it through her throat, but it says love each day.
00:43:08
Speaker
Did she stab her with that? Yeah. I thought she stabbed her with the axe and then she grabbed the necklace. Oh, maybe. Did she stab her with the necklace? I don't... I mean, I guess it would be weird if she stabbed her with the necklace. It probably was the next. I see it now. But she grabs the necklace. But the necklace is used as a weapon later, right?
00:43:28
Speaker
I don't remember. Maybe. Bye, Sarah. Maybe. I'm pretty sure
Betrayal Revealed: The Necklace Scene
00:43:31
Speaker
of this. Probably. Yeah, so it says Love Each Day, which when I was watching YouTube videos, I saw the scene which I hadn't picked up on this from earlier when I first watched the movie. But when they're looking at like a photo and there's a picture that Juno had, I guess like Sarah's husband had taken the photo and Juno had it and it's like Juno and Sarah and it says Love Each Day on the back and Sarah's like, oh, that's something my husband used to say.
00:43:57
Speaker
and it was like a picture that Juno had but they they do do a good job of still explaining to us about the necklace later yeah and then they all dive in pretty quick succession except for Juno and Sarah but there's some pretty scary scenes while we're watching them all die like there's the thing with the is there a walkie-talkie thing or is that just in the sequel i feel like they have
00:44:20
Speaker
there's the watch yeah there's the watch thing they're just like yelling for each other a lot and then the med student like finds a dead creature and like kind of examines it and is saying like it it looks like it's human but it's lost its sight and it uses echolocation like a bat and yeah i have a lot of questions about how these creatures
00:44:42
Speaker
came to be when Sarah's like fighting we see one that looks much more like a human. I mean like the creatures are they're like pretty human looking like they they have like this vampirey element to me they've got like kind of pointed ears
00:44:58
Speaker
their eyes are covered and they are just like kind of this like pale blue-green skin all over and bald. The one that's more human like still has hair and it seems like she can't see but she has like more defined features on her face.
00:45:13
Speaker
the fully- They had to make sure you know she was a lady monster. Really? Is that what it is? I feel like they- I kind of feel like it is. I feel like that happens all the time with various things. I took it more as just like she hasn't fully morphed, but I was thinking that when they do morph, they turn into sort of a gender, but more male looking.
00:45:41
Speaker
But they're like, because I was thinking that it was like all of the, like everyone in their group is a woman, but then all the creatures seem kind of male to me. I don't know why. What do you, do you think, do you think that it's like people morphing into the things? Yeah, I do.
00:46:01
Speaker
And I think that's why it strikes me as a vampire kind of thing too, because it seems like they can kill humans, and then if they kill you, you wouldn't turn into one. But it seems like if they bite you or scratch you or something, maybe you would turn into one. And I didn't see it as this is the lady monster. I saw it as this one isn't fully, I don't know, turned or whatever, not morphed.
00:46:30
Speaker
Oh, I thought that they I like had a totally different idea of what the monsters were. What's what's yours? I thought I thought that they well, because when the med student was talking, she was like, they evolved down here. So I just took it as like, this is a species.
00:46:45
Speaker
I do think that was the lady one and you had to know it was the lady one. I do think that that is true also. I think that there must have been some origination of the species, but it seems like a species that can make people join it.
00:47:03
Speaker
I'm talking about vampires, like they're real, but like, it just seems like vampires to me, but like they didn't want to make it vampires or like zombies or like anything else where it's like you turn into that. Mostly because there's so many of them. And, um, and, but like, I'd say like the biggest thing was the lady monster. Cause like, why wouldn't there be more of them? Like literally we saw so many and there's only the one woman one.
00:47:33
Speaker
I don't know, I guess. I actually thought that she was Beth at first because they looked kind of similar. And I was like, oh, Beth started turning because she didn't fully die and she got scratched. That would have been an interesting question. Then I saw Beth, so I was like, that's not it. And that's when Beth is like, please kill me. I think you would want to say something about that. Oh, I just wanted to ask you what you thought about it. I don't know.
00:48:01
Speaker
the whole sequence of events of her getting accidentally killed by Juno, but then also her telling Sarah with her dying breath that Juno and her husband were having an affair.
00:48:12
Speaker
What do you think about that whole scene? I'm kind of surprised that she didn't. I think that she probably had a lot of loyalty to Juno at first. And then she was like, this bitch killed her, stabbed me at least. And she kind of knows there's no getting out of there from that. And I think that she was feeling vengeful, or she wanted to get back at Juno in some way.
00:48:40
Speaker
And she also had the necklace. So, I don't know, it's possible that it just occurred to her while she was laying there dying and holding the necklace and was like, oh, I know this saying or why did she have this? But it kind of seemed like she knew beforehand and then just decided to tell her, which that's like the worst to me is like everybody knowing except for Sarah. It's like,
00:49:07
Speaker
Yeah, I interpreted it kind of as like her wanting to clear her own conscience a little bit, I think, because I think she knew also and I thought that she was like, because there were times where and she seemed really protective of Sarah from Juneau kind of you know what I mean? Oh, yeah, she's been telling her not to trust her. Right. And so I think she like had probably been wanting to tell her
00:49:32
Speaker
but like couldn't get herself to do it and was like, oh, I literally have to do it right now. I think she was also, wasn't she? I think she was telling Sarah not to trust Juno even before the necklace thing. Like she was, um, she was like, Sarah did this or I mean, not Sarah. Juno did this to me. Don't trust her. And then it kind of seemed like she was like, no, like really don't trust her. This is the necklace. She had an affair. Oh yeah. That one makes it like to draw the point home.
00:50:01
Speaker
Yeah, that actually makes a lot of sense. I hadn't even thought about it. Yeah, like what a place to find out that your husband, your dead husband, especially had an affair. Like I can't think of a worse situation, really, especially when they become like the last two. Yeah. And yeah, actually, in my notes, I really like Sarah C. It's a creature that looks more human than the others. Like I didn't think that she just looked more like a woman. I thought she looked like more human.
00:50:30
Speaker
Yeah, I think I like had it in the category of my brain where like, you know when you're watching like a cartoon about animals and the boy animal just looks like an animal, but the girl animal looks like a lady.
00:50:46
Speaker
That was honestly like no like exactly exactly that like that's kind of like what what I was kind of doing in my head I was like okay that's the lady monster like that's what they do they make it like really really incredibly obvious that's true I typed half human creature descent and it didn't come up let me try lady months
00:51:10
Speaker
Lady monster. Yeah, they call them the crawlers and everything I have. They really do look a lot. It's like a vampire crossed with golem. Yeah, well, because I think that makes sense with like how they would look. This is monster wiki. It says the crawlers are man eating humanoid creatures who are cave dwellers and were theoretically ancient creatures that have existed since before man. Interesting.
00:51:34
Speaker
This allowed crawlers to breed and evolve in isolation from humanity, becoming monsters that would only ever leave the cave during the night to hunt for food. It says this is the first time they've, when the group of female explorers disturb the crawler's cave system, they become exposed to humanity for the first time in centuries. It seems like there's been other people there. They just killed them all. Yeah. Well, I don't know. I guess it could have been like,
00:51:58
Speaker
the 1800s when the that other equipment was from. I don't know. Yeah, I guess that's true. That's why I wasn't sure about people turning because I was like, it doesn't seem like there's been that many people. Yeah, there's also a fan theory that the monsters didn't exist and it was Sarah who killed everyone and she was hallucinating them.
00:52:17
Speaker
Oh my god, I'm for sure gonna watch it again and just like have that in my brain. Yeah, I do want to picture that especially because she's like the first one who notices them and like the main thing and and they like are kind of having trouble seeing them. But I think it could also just like be a metaphor for that also.
00:52:36
Speaker
But yeah, I found a lot of interesting things on the internet. The UK had an alternative ending that they decided was too bleak for the US, which I think is really funny. So it goes through the same sequence. Well, hold on. I think I need to say a couple more things before we...
00:52:56
Speaker
get there and then I'll tell you the alternate ending. So we see the lady monster I guess and Sarah fights it and she ends up falling in like a pool of blood. It's like a pond of blood and she comes out
00:53:12
Speaker
and it's having like kind of like a Carrie moment um where she's just like dripping blood and she's like and then pretty soon after that she finds the opening to like she sees the actual light not phosphorus and Juno's there and but it's guarded by like a fuck ton of creatures and they're all like I don't know they they just kind of like decide to fight them together without speaking they're just like okay this is what we gotta do and they somehow do fight all of them
00:53:42
Speaker
And then when they're all gone for the moment, Sarah either like stabs her in the leg or breaks her leg or something.
UK Ending Discussion: Dream vs. Reality
00:53:49
Speaker
I think that she like cuts her leg with the necklace, but I might be wrong. I thought that the necklace was used as a weapon at some point.
00:53:57
Speaker
I think it was the axe again. I think she axed her in the knee, like in the back of the knee. Either way, she incapacitates her pretty brutally, which was like, kind of a rough thing to do. I mean, not kind of like it was, I find that choice question, but I also understand it. It's a bad, then she gets out, she just like sprints to her car. She's driving a little bit and then she throws up.
00:54:19
Speaker
she like pulls over to throw up and when she sits back up there's a jump scare where Juneau's there. In the alternate ending all of that happens but then she wakes up and it was a dream and she is still in the cave. Interesting. I usually like a bleak ending but I feel like that wouldn't work for me. I'm not totally decided. I think that
00:54:41
Speaker
it seemed sort of impossible for her to get out of the cave. So I was kind of like, how did this even happen and like wondering if she was imagining it, especially since she had had previous hallucinations. But it does seem like, I mean, I don't know, I like a happy ending. Not that that was happy, but it's better than nothing.
00:55:02
Speaker
Also, one of the people who were presenting this alternate ending said, canonically, since there is a sequel, it doesn't make sense that she would have ended up in the cave. The US ending has to be the one for the sequel, but also, and this YouTuber agreed, the sequel is trash, and we're just going to pretend it doesn't exist. Fair enough. Yeah.
00:55:28
Speaker
I'm thinking about how that would jive with the theory that... That she made up the monsters and killed everyone. Yeah, how does it fit with the theory that she made up the monsters and killed everyone? And she's still in the cave. I mean, I think that she could have been hallucinating. I mean, I don't think made up is the right word, actually, I said that, but I think it would be more of a hallucination and that she keeps getting stuck in her hallucinations, kind of. Interesting. That makes sense.
00:55:55
Speaker
But yeah, I am curious to watch it again through that lens. But I also really like that I think that like they came up with like a pretty original creature, even though it like it reminds me of a lot of things. But it's not like exactly any of those. And it's hard to come up with an original monster, because there's so many monsters. Yeah, I agree. And they're and I think they're scary. Like, I think they show just enough of them to be really scary. I think that it Yeah, I mean,
00:56:25
Speaker
It's like very simple, you know what I mean? It's like a very simple creature. It reminds me of the vampires or the guys from the hush episode of Buffy. I'm going to send you a picture right now, but when I was a kid, these guys scared the heck out of me.
00:56:42
Speaker
I've never seen Buffy, actually. You've never seen Buffy? No, I haven't. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Okay, we're gonna have to watch that. I need to rewatch it again. Yeah, it is. I know, I know. Oh, they're spooky looking. See, I think part of why I didn't watch it is because when I was the age where I would have watched it, it would have been too scary for me. I think it was too scary.
00:57:07
Speaker
I mean, but most of the episodes aren't. That was like one of the few episodes that I was like, I mean, it still scares me. And I saw it for the first time when I was like nine. Yeah, I think it would have been too scary for me when it would have been like the right age, but I could probably I don't know if I want to watch it, though, because this is the guy who made it like kind of terrible. Joss Whedon, I think I don't know anything bad about him. I think he's I like everything he's made.
00:57:32
Speaker
I'm, like, pretty sure. I'm, like, pretty sure. Which doesn't mean you should stop watching it. I just don't also know that it means I should start watching it. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's fair, but I just am looking him up in scandals. But there is an article from last year called The Undoing of the Buffy Creator. So maybe I think he was accused of, like, I found a complete timeline of every Joss Whedon controversy.
00:57:58
Speaker
Um, I, he was accused of being verbally abusive to coworkers is the one thing I found, but yeah, send me the timeline. Okay. I have no idea like how, whatever it is. Yeah. I mean, Sarah Michelle Geller said that she doesn't want to be associated with them anymore. Yeah. I don't feel like I know that much about what actually happened. I just feel like I've heard a lot of people be like, Oh, yeah.
00:58:24
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Yeah, so you think the end decision was pretty questionable? Like for if it's the UK version or the US version? No, like her decision to like stab Juno in the knee or whatever. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I get the impulse. And I think that she worried if she didn't do something like that, that Juno would do something like that to her, which is fair, I guess.
00:58:50
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but I think that she could have killed her also but she basically did kill her because she incapacitated her and then we see like all of the creatures like more creatures come and get her right afterwards um so it kind of seemed crueler than just killing her to me uh and and like I think Juno was shitty but I don't think she necessarily deserved to die and and I think it's something
00:59:19
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It's a decision that will, like, probably fuck Sarah up. Yeah, that makes sense. I think outside of, like, horror movies, if this was, like, a drama, I would feel that way. You know what I mean? I view horror movies as dramas, though. Like, I can't watch a horror movie and not put it through the lens of a drama, really. Interesting. I don't know how to, like, take that off. Oh, Mr. T is doing stretches. He's just looking at me like this now.
00:59:50
Speaker
He's so cute. What was your feelings about what happened between Juno and Sarah at the end? I don't know because I feel like it depends on how I think about it because on the one hand, it was like an in the moment decision and she was like, this is the only way I'm getting out of here. Okay, I'm doing this. But on the other side of that is the potential that she knew she would live longer with Juno than without her and like kept her around thinking that she would kill her later when she needed to. Yeah.
01:00:18
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And I don't know which one I think is true, you know, cause she's looking a little unhinged in those moments. Yeah. So I don't actually know which one I think. And I think if it was like an in the, in the moment decision, given the fact that she had just found out about the affair and given that Juno like brought them into this situation, which is like actually the bigger thing in my head. Like that's the thing that I kind of feel less bad about for. Yeah.
01:00:44
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I don't know, I kind of get it. I don't know that I would say it's right, but I kind of get it. If you want to live, which personally I would not.
01:00:54
Speaker
I would have killed myself 45 minutes earlier in the movie. At that point, she like sees the light and thinks she can get out. So I think that that is different. But I can imagine her, especially like she doesn't know the situation of what happened to Beth. Like Beth very much relays it as like, she did this to me like not she doesn't say that it was an accident. And I think it's probably hard for her to interpret it that way.
01:01:17
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knowing that she's going to die because of Juno. So I think that Sarah is probably perceiving her as more of a threat than she necessarily is. But I mean, when I was in that scene, I was like, yeah, I feel threatened here. It feels like it might be unsafe for her to not take out Juno. Yeah, that makes sense. Did you like the movie? What did you just think of it overall? Yeah, I liked it. I think I'll probably rewatch it. I don't know.
01:01:46
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It's not like one of my favorite movies.
01:01:49
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or anything, but it was enjoyable, and I think that it was well made in a lot of ways. It was shot well, it was written well, and all of the pacing is good. I don't really have any critiques, especially watching, I couldn't even pay attention to the second one, but especially comparing that one, which I immediately was like, no, which doesn't happen to me with a lot of movies.
01:02:19
Speaker
I think that the descent was pretty close to perfect. Nice. I kind of agree. It's not, it's not one of my favorite movies, but it's a movie that I find really easy to appreciate. Yeah. You know, it's just like, it's effective. And it's, it's the, like you said, the pacing, the writing, it's all it's just, it just works, just works really well. Yeah.
01:02:40
Speaker
And I've seen it like probably five times. Oh, wow. Maybe four. That's good that it held up. Yeah, maybe four. I don't know. Like I don't remember exactly, but I know I've seen it. I know I've seen it at least four times.
01:02:54
Speaker
And it's still, yeah. I mean, like I said, I was wondering if this would be the time where it like kind of stopped working and then I'd have to talk about it and be like, Oh, it used to be really good. Um, but that did not happen. I mean, I still jumped at like every jump scare and I guess I just, I like, Oh, but, but I did set myself up for it. I like waited until it was late at night in the dark by myself with the lights off. I said in the dark and with the lights off, but you know what I mean? And.
01:03:22
Speaker
It was good, it was very fun. I was laughing at myself a lot because I like the feeling of when you jump out of your seat because something really scary happens.
01:03:31
Speaker
And then you kind of register that you're watching a movie and then you laugh. And so I was like laughing at myself every time I jumped, but I was jumping a lot. So it was just a lot of like that, which I think is so much fun. That's funny. I don't think that ever happens to me, but when I am really scared, a lot of times I imagine them filming and like how ridiculous some of the scenes are probably to film. And that makes it less scary to me. But I don't know if I've ever laughed at my fear, but I look forward
01:04:00
Speaker
to doing it someday. I mean, I don't know if it's a guarantee, but it definitely happens to me. Yeah. Also, you said in the dark and with the lights out, but that makes sense at your house because you have, I don't think you have lights on right now. It's very bright. I know. Yeah, that is what I meant because they are, yeah. Because the lights, yes, exactly. Because it's bright as fucking hair. Can't watch anything. Which is really nice for like 90% of activities, but definitely not for like movie watching.
01:04:26
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Yeah, yeah. Thanks for listening. We hope you enjoyed the episode and we'd love to hear what you think of the descent if you've seen it or if you have anything to add on to what we've said. You can find us at whathauntsupod on Instagram. We look forward to sharing more spooks with you soon. That was cute.