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Chris Minnick: All right, so.
Chris Penick: Excellent.
Jill McVarish: Go. You're welcome.
Chris Minnick: We are live
Jill McVarish: All right.
Chris Minnick: ah And.
Chris Penick: We're back.
Chris Minnick: Welcome to the Moving Towards Better podcast.
Jill McVarish: All right.
Chris Minnick: I am Chris Minnick.
Chris Penick: And I am Chris Penick. Our stage names? Yeah.
Chris Minnick: All right. Sure.
Chris Penick: There you go. Sometimes known as DJ...
Jill McVarish: and ultimately...
Chris Minnick: i'm Also known as...
Chris Penick: crispy he's also known as go for it i'm sorry i cut you off
Chris Minnick: Yes. See money.
Jill McVarish: Oh, cool.
Chris Penick: See you, money.
Chris Minnick: Now it's cool.
Chris Penick: we
Chris Minnick: it's
Chris Penick: So my wife says we need to fix that.
Chris Minnick: what we do.
Chris Penick: We got to get that down.
Chris Minnick: They're cutting each other off
Chris Penick: Yeah.
Chris Minnick: We probably do.
Chris Penick: we're we're We're good at that. so Yeah. Yeah.
Chris Minnick: So today...
Chris Penick: Oh.
Chris Minnick: This is going to be a very very special episode.
Jill McVarish: Very, very fantastic. Oh, man.
Chris Minnick: We have guests And our guest today.
Jill McVarish: And I've got today.
Chris Minnick: are
Jill McVarish: all right
Chris Minnick: Uh, friends and or family members of ours and so
Jill McVarish: So...
Chris Minnick: I. You know, we're kind of going easy on ourselves and making it. you know sort of a low -key kind of uh no pressure first guest experienced here experience here on the Moving Towards Better podcast.
Chris Penick: Yeah.
Jill McVarish: <unk> on We're going to play...
Chris Minnick: With us today is Jill McVarish.
Jill McVarish: Okay.
Chris Minnick: And also we have.
Jill McVarish: The man fell.
Chris Minnick: Samantha. Or Sam?
Jill McVarish: Yeah. Thanks.
Chris Minnick: Panic.
Sam: Yeah.
Chris Minnick: Alright.
Jill McVarish: All right. All right.
Chris Minnick: ah Both are artists, both are at different stages of their careers.
Jill McVarish: All right.
Chris Minnick: And so. We're doing this podcast because. In episode seven of the Moving Towards Better podcast.
Jill McVarish: All right.
Chris Minnick: I attempted to state why Jill had.
Jill McVarish: Thank you.
Chris Minnick: thought that being on our podcast was a bad idea. I.
Jill McVarish: All right. What the heck happened?
Chris Minnick: Butchered it badly. And so she's here to correct the record. And I thought that was. a Good chance for us.
Jill McVarish: Also...
Chris Minnick: Also... to talk to sam and ta and find out you know
Jill McVarish: Find out. How do you walk your life?
Chris Minnick: How do they both feel about this issue of... ah Learning.
Jill McVarish: Learn more.
Chris Minnick: Learning art, how you learned art, what...
Jill McVarish: How are you?
Chris Minnick: If. you know, How and why?
Jill McVarish: Why?
Chris Minnick: And that's really about it.
Chris Penick: What? what drove it. Yeah.
Chris Minnick: Yes.
Chris Penick: And... and I want to add one thing to this too, for for both of you, again, to let you be calm through this. This is not... I'm not looking at who's... more advanced. or anything along those lines i mean obviously you're at different points in your career unless you know and so sammy's just started and you've got a ah well -established you've done gallery showings and And the pieces are amazing, Jill. I love them.
Chris Penick: So what I... want to see a little bit about too after we settle exactly what it was that was meant And that hopefully I didn't misinterpret to that. you know it I just want to see what learning art looks like from sort of two different points of view along that timeline. of you know I mean...
Chris Penick: yeah what what's Is there something that you would change? I mean, Sammy, is there is there something that you could still learn from people just learning now? I mean, I know now like your school. uses a lot procreate and all these tools that you know you traditional oils is your main medium but i'm sure they're you know you've worked in other mediums too i've i've seen um was it was it pottery or something i saw i i i caught it on the thing and i just i scrolled by before i i caught exactly what so i will ask but anyway you know
Chris Minnick: We're getting ahead of ourselves. Let's start with some introductions first
Chris Penick: Yes, let's do it.
Chris Minnick: Alright.
Chris Penick: So.
Chris Minnick: So. um Joe. Can you introduce yourself?
Jill McVarish: Hi, my name is Jill McGorish. And... um Yeah. oh been a professional painter like for about 30 years. um And...
Jill McVarish: I just love. to paint like from the time i was little that was my primary focus so
Jill McVarish: Yeah, that's major place of interest for me in my life.
Chris Minnick: Excellent.
Chris Penick: There you go. And then we have...
Chris Minnick: Sam.
Sam: I'm Sam. I go to An art school? I'm not sure if I should - say or not um I'm an illustration major.
Chris Penick: I... well We'll keep you you sufficiently anonymized for right now, I think. Yeah.
Sam: I'm an illustration major with a concentration in visual development.
Chris Penick: Okay, wonderful. There we go. Okay. There you go. so Chris, do you want to rewind us back to... You already introduced the idea, but I want to get...
Chris Minnick: Yeah.
Chris Penick: to To set it up again for Jill to really explain her thought process on this.
Chris Minnick: Well...
Chris Penick: because I don't want to assume anything on it either. so Yeah.
Chris Minnick: Right. We'll insert the ah rewind sound effect here and I'll go backwards in time to episode seven.
Chris Penick: o Okay, there you go.
Jill McVarish: All right.
Chris Penick: The big budget. Yeah.
Chris Penick: Oh.
Chris Minnick: I mentioned to Jill...
Chris Penick: but Okay, there we go.
Chris Minnick: that. It'd be cool for her to be on the podcast. And she said, No. And. you know this was
Chris Penick: I understand.
Jill McVarish: All right.
Chris Minnick: ah Sort of, you know. interesting. And so I asked why and she said, Well, And the way I stated it at the time.
Chris Penick: that good
Chris Minnick: I believe was something. Like... I think that you you learn things because you have to, because you're forced to, because you have no choice.
Chris Minnick: And it's as simple as that. And I think you guys are. uh going a little bit overboard with your uh talking about learning when in reality people learn things because they have to for one reason or another.
Chris Minnick: And that's how I stated it.
Chris Penick: Okay.
Jill McVarish: Yeah, so...
Chris Minnick: So...
Chris Penick: and
Jill McVarish: I think that was.
Chris Penick: Yes, yeah.
Jill McVarish: Sort of my point of view, but um moreover, I think you learn things because you're interested in them, whether it's because. it's an imperative that you learn this to do something that you want to do or it's something that you need to do.
Jill McVarish: For me, and I'm not positive that that is true for Chris. I think Chris really enjoys like. learning how to bake bread and, you know, metalworking and just any variety of things he's He really enjoys the process of just learning about it.
Jill McVarish: I personally am the kind of person where if it... if it doesn't affect something that like I'm trying to get done or that I was previously interested in, I just like have no bandwidth for it. I just.
Chris Penick: Yeah.
Jill McVarish: it's not a good trait i'm not proud of it it's just for me it's true
Chris Penick: Okay.
Chris Penick: No. I actually want to disagree with you a little bit. there i i think that you know if For you, it's worked out to be a great trade. I mean, because you've concentrated on something you love and that's what I was trying to understand with what Chris had brought up.
Chris Penick: was is what he was stating to me sounded like, and I couldn't tell. whether it was you meant as Yo. Because you used a phrase, something like...
Chris Penick: because I couldn't do something. I... couldn't do anything else is what you had said something like that chris
Chris Minnick: Hmm?
Chris Penick: And so meaning, and I took that. is meaning like you thought maybe you had no other. talent or skill in something else. When it, I think maybe you meant it.
Jill McVarish: Oh, yeah.
Chris Penick: Did you really? oh Is that actually?
Jill McVarish: Oh yeah, yeah.
Chris Penick: Or did you mean it?
Chris Minnick: no
Jill McVarish: Yeah.
Chris Penick: Not. Okay, but there's also a little bit of...
Jill McVarish: I can't even drive a car. Like, I can't do anything. The only thing I can do, like, I can i can do anything, like...
Chris Penick: Wow, okay. Alright, well that's awesome!
Jill McVarish: Yeah, I guess.
Chris Penick: I mean, no, no, no, that that's, I mean... So i I thought it might have been. that, but I also thought it would have been you were expressing like a desire that i had a desire to do nothing else but it sounds to me know so correct me on this i want to know is it's almost both that you you say that you have no other skills.
Chris Penick: And then you also have no other desire. To learn anything else
Jill McVarish: Yeah.
Chris Penick: Okay. Dad? that are we Okay.
Jill McVarish: That's about it.
Chris Penick: I should have asked a more open -ended question on that, but... um Okay. Well, then, I... Chris, you you actually did nail it, I think.
Chris Minnick: Do I win?
Chris Penick: You win. You win, I think, on explaining...
Jill McVarish: Well, no, I don't think...
Chris Minnick: sweet
Jill McVarish: I guess like...
Chris Penick: Well, it wasn't a contest. I mean... I never went anyway, but...
Jill McVarish: Well, no, I... The thing that...
Chris Penick: Yeah.
Jill McVarish: um that i felt was being misconstrued was this like the narrative of like a struggling artist and like if you're a struggling artist then you know you can't afford to do other things because you're in it for the struggle and you've got a you know 100 struggle and and that That was certainly not what I meant.
Chris Penick: Okay.
Jill McVarish: So.
Chris Penick: Oh, ah so yeah, see, it sounds more and more that we're we're in more agreement than than I thought, because I i feel the same way. and I think that... You can have a passion that or a singular passion if you want.
Chris Penick: And you can suffer for that or you can turn that into that suffering into that is your life that you enjoy and brings you the the life force like blood. of what you do so i mean if if that's it if you found it i just think you're more fortunate than than most folks.
Chris Penick: um
Jill McVarish: Oh yeah.
Chris Penick: Yeah. Yeah, so, Sam, Sammy, what do you say? What do you say to that? i mean is that i i yeah i Okay, so for our audience out there, to explain the relationship, so before you get caught in this here.
Chris Penick: Samantha is my daughter. And so I know her from little, and I remember from any time she could get a pen or a crayon or a pencil in her hand. she was sketching or drawing something.
Chris Penick: so But what I don't know... And, you know, in her, I know that she went. to school for art and now she's going to college for art. Tell me tell me do you feel the same as Jill's is this is that?
Chris Penick: What?
Sam: um
Chris Penick: what what What drove you? to Art school.
Sam: Basically... I... I've always loved drawing. I've always loved making characters and making stories and things like that. And that's like... the thing that I tell people all the time. um But...
Sam: In middle school, I also had a big passion for astronomy because I went to like an astronomy uh magnet middle school thing so that was an option for a while um but it was more about just Figuring out.
Sam: what I wanted to... do with my life like what in my mind, would be my dream life to have. And if this...
Sam: Like the kinds of opportunities that I was getting. was pushing me more towards that dream life that I would have, which is... Like... Being an artist drawing the things that I want to draw all the time and getting paid for it.
Chris Penick: Heh.
Sam: um So like if...
Chris Penick: I'm hoping for that last one too, a little bit, yeah. So.
Sam: if If that's an opportunity, then why not?
Chris Penick: Yeah.
Sam: Take it.
Chris Penick: Okay.
Sam: Um.
Chris Penick: There you go.
Sam: And that also means like... Really... focusing on making yourself better and like putting in the work to to get to that point, but if I love it then It's not gonna be...
Sam: As difficult as you know, like like I don't know Engineering. Yeah. You know, unless you have like a.
Chris Penick: Okay.
Sam: crazy passion for engineering.
Chris Penick: ah Okay, see? Oh, dad see that's why she's my daughter. See, the crazy passion for and engineering. I love that because I could, yeah, I have a friend. Went to MIT. He's got his engineering degree from MIT and he will tell you.
Chris Penick: I couldn't do anything else So... I think where I'm jealous, Joe. Where I'm very, very jealous. And you, Sammy. is that I never...
Chris Penick: ah chris Chris knows my sob story about music. That was the only one. That was the only thing I ever considered. that kind of passion And I didn't go that way, and it's become more of a hobby. then...
Chris Penick: Uh... career. So, I'm wondering though... you know Was there ever a time, Jill? Was there? Ever anything else you considered?
Chris Penick: from when you were little to, I mean, you went to you you went to middle school, you went to high school, you you graduated. Was it always art, art, art? or I mean, maybe to theater or photography.
Jill McVarish: yeah it was
Chris Minnick: And. And when did you know? when did you
Chris Penick: When did you know that? And so, what yeah, that's it. When did you know?
Jill McVarish: I was about 12 or 13 and I decided that I was going to be an artist. I was going to move to, I had it all planned out. I was going to move to New York. I was going to live on pizza and beer and just be this like.
Chris Penick: ah
Chris Penick: Yeah.
Jill McVarish: really like new york hipster i know i know never you know like we tried
Chris Penick: Yeah.
Chris Minnick: Why aren't we there? Okay. Okay.
Chris Penick: i'm trying to I'm trying to convince my wife to move to New York right now.
Chris Minnick: ah
Chris Penick: And she's having this fight with me about, not a fight, but yeah. I keep trying to convince her to do the same. Yeah. I'm with you, Chris. We got to convince our significant others.
Chris Minnick: i want I want to hear this dream. way I want to hear the rest of this vision here.
Chris Penick: Yeah. Yeah, I'm sorry. I cut you off. Yes. See? Yeah, you have to fight to talk with us.
Jill McVarish: Oh, that's about it. Yeah, no, that was the plan.
Chris Penick: yeah
Jill McVarish: And, you know.
Chris Penick: And then...
Jill McVarish: It never, never completely came to fruition.
Chris Penick: Well, so did it.
Chris Minnick: Did you have...
Chris Penick: Cut.
Jill McVarish: I think I have spent many years living on nothing but pizza and beer, but. you know.
Chris Penick: Okay. All right. Well, well that's what I was going to say. So maybe it wasn't New York, but you did live on pizza and beer.
Jill McVarish: Yeah.
Chris Penick: is that...
Jill McVarish: and and manage
Chris Penick: During college or?
Jill McVarish: No, I couldn't afford that in college. College was more like
Chris Penick: robin noodles
Jill McVarish: pretzels and yeah ramen. um
Chris Penick: but
Jill McVarish: But yeah, I mean, I think that was the thing was like I started out working in retail and did that all the way through college.
Chris Penick: oh
Jill McVarish: After college. i
Chris Penick: Mm hmm.
Jill McVarish: was lucky enough to get into food service and cocktail waitressing which paid a little bit better and then there was like another 10 years of doing that And that's just not a career trajectory like that.
Jill McVarish: You can only do either of those things for about 10 years until you just snap. And so I was really lucky in like the year I turned 30.
Chris Penick: Yeah.
Jill McVarish: Then I got my first like real. paying. gig. doing full -time art and
Chris Penick: wow
Jill McVarish: Hey. i mean i guess in a way i was lucky that i wasn't like as adept and like good as you or Chris are at. you know.
Chris Penick: Oh, you gotta stop that. we we we We try not to make it look easy and because it's not. I mean... You know, you only see the bit of us talking about things that we've actually been successful at. You got to go back and watch.
Chris Penick: you know For the life of me, that basketball has broken more things in the house than it's it's actually worked on.
Jill McVarish: Heh heh heh heh.
Chris Penick: so Um... Well... So. when So did you go to school? was college. with art. Were you an art major in college?
Jill McVarish: Yeah, it was an it was an it was an art school. It was actually one of the only accredited 100%. fine art schools so i'm kind of um
Chris Penick: ah wow
Jill McVarish: impressed by like Samantha and what she's doing because that is like she's learning real trades like when I was going to school in the 90s it was very like woo woo they didn't treat you any technique there was no nothing about what you were going to do once you graduated um there was no
Chris Penick: ah wow
Jill McVarish: Um. Like it. Nothing technical, nothing technical whatsoever. It was all art theory. And which was, you know, if you.
Chris Penick: Oh, okay
Jill McVarish: if you're trying to breeze through school i think they even had a class I went to junior college for a couple of years, so I got a lot of that you know like the math and science and all that out of the way before I... transferred to the art school. but Boy, it was just all art theory and they had classes like math for artists and you could really like you could do four years
Chris Penick: Math for Artists
Jill McVarish: Yeah, yeah, I'd already gone.
Chris Penick: Wow that That sounds fascinating.
Chris Minnick: a
Jill McVarish: Oh, I understand.
Chris Penick: Oh wow.
Jill McVarish: And it was like a lot of Disney films and stuff like that, which I guess you could get away with back then. I don't think that like.
Chris Minnick: In the math class?
Jill McVarish: they let Yeah, that was like the math class.
Chris Penick: Yeah
Jill McVarish: It was like just
Chris Minnick: Okay.
Jill McVarish: it was a class just to Get. kids this grade so that they can. get the diploma it was
Chris Minnick: yeah
Jill McVarish: It's kind of BS, but.
Chris Penick: Yeah.
Chris Minnick: ah
Chris Penick: Okay. You need a math credit, so we have to...
Jill McVarish: but like
Chris Penick: we Okay.
Jill McVarish: But yeah, I'm just saying that like... A lot of the stuff Samantha's doing. looks really hard to me and also I'm I'm really impressed by you know what she's doing and I think that would.
Jill McVarish: It's going to be like. really valuable. as someone who came through a school that gave you none of that. So...
Chris Penick: Wow. Well, there you go. OK, so now I'm feeling better as someone who, you know, is is. Looking at those college. tuition loans and the all that. Yeah.
Chris Penick: Okay. I'm feeling much better about that now too.
Chris Minnick: ah
Chris Penick: so Because, ah you know, it's... Yeah, I like to think sometimes there's my Ferrari right there um by the time you add it up, right?
Chris Minnick: Oh gosh.
Chris Penick: yeah no no sammy i love you and and you know we'll do whatever we can to get you through all right um well okay i again And I'm not trying to dominate as much as as guide a little bit here because Chris and I, we're...
Chris Penick: daytime jobs were pretty bombastic and Well, not until you get a little bit more wine in you, Chris. Have you been... Starting the wine yet tonight?
Chris Minnick: Oh. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. yeah um
Chris Penick: Okay, so according to audiences, you needed a little bit more wine to kind of...
Chris Minnick: Hitting the vino.
Chris Penick: Okay.
Chris Minnick: I'm just...
Chris Penick: loosen you up a bit.
Jill McVarish: yes
Chris Penick: All right.
Chris Minnick: all right all Alright. Alright, alright.
Chris Penick: all right there you go so i i don't have any myself i just have water and sammy no Okay? So my wife was talking to her earlier saying that dad said you could have some wine. Like, no, this is not that kind of podcast. All right.
Chris Penick: But i so I have a question that hopefully the two of you can answer and it'll drive some conversation. between you and and I'd love to hear. Jill. more about your process.
Chris Penick: of like, you know, Because you're at that stage now where you can just sort of come up with an idea. Sammy, you have to deal with an assignment. So I know where your first impulse comes from. I don't. Where do you first get?
Chris Penick: Okay. We have to make sure we link. to Jill's. work online. All right.
Chris Minnick: course
Chris Penick: and folks you have to go check it out you have to go see it because it's just amazing you know um Although I don't think you have one like this, but I like to describe it to get the image in people's head. I say, think of the Last Supper.
Chris Penick: but with Muppets. And then, you know, or yeah Because if I name a Renoir piece, most people don't know what I'm talking about. so you know but it's yes picture renoir a good classic renoir piece with with a muppet in real life like detail it's so much fun to see you know grover in there they're lovely they're the the I...
Chris Penick: And that's just one of many things in there. So where did that first impulse to do that come from? And. at what point point you know walk walk us through that how where did the idea, and then what was the next thing? Did you research? Did you, do you worry about copyright or anything with this? I mean, I know satire is usually protected.
Chris Penick: So I guess that's where it falls, but... Walk walk us through whatever you got on that how how you came up with that
Jill McVarish: So this is my story, right? like as i was getting started especially in art school it was really daunting to sort of find like, what is your hand? What is your you know what is it you have to offer what is it your style you know and it's know You know, like...
Jill McVarish: you're just pouring through stuff you like and you're finding little bits and pieces of this or that and integrating it into your art and you're a lot of the time you're sort of trying to make your work look like someone's work who you really admire and you go through like a phase where like all your work looks like this one artist or something like that.
Jill McVarish: and I think that's really natural and I think you have to like do that for a long time. to have kind of a toolkit of, you know. a little bit of this artist and a little bit of that artist. and What happened to me was I was about.
Jill McVarish: Five years out of college six years Yeah, like six or seven years, probably. I'd been out of college and just waiting tables. and um All the time, like. kind of working on things that I thought. looked like.
Jill McVarish: they were cool or would look good in a gallery and kind of finding but very much finding, you know, my own style just through doing it. over and over and over and i just come home at night and i paint and i get little shows here and there But when I got the job.
Jill McVarish: The job was, my title was designer. And I would make. paintings that then they would make prints of and then they would distribute to like Ethan Allen or Neiman Marcus. various like
Chris Penick: Okay.
Jill McVarish: chain stores and stuff like that and they would sell reproductions of these prints and so In doing that job, I no longer had a choice what to paint. i a little bit like they liked my style, which was why they hired me.
Chris Penick: Right?
Jill McVarish: But they like. They told me exactly what colors to use. They told me like. what time period it should look like they would tell me like sometimes exactly how the you know, situation would be like arranged posed.
Jill McVarish: what direction somebody's face was looking like everything just completely like art directed
Chris Penick: oh man
Jill McVarish: And then like what would happen would be like I would do a painting and then it would go into a critique room and you'd have like all these sales people. You've had the art director. You'd have this whole room full of critics.
Jill McVarish: And they would say like, oh, oh, oh, oh, no. way too much yellow. Yellow doesn't sell. Or they'd say like,
Chris Penick: Whoa.
Jill McVarish: You can see the bottom of her feet and in some like Arabic. um
Chris Penick: Yep.
Jill McVarish: belief systems that's really obscene you have to cover the feet it was always like something or like the biggest complaint was mostly they wanted like glamorous women like glamour Glamorous women and like cocktail dresses and stuff like that sold really well.
Jill McVarish: And they always had to be. They're supposed to look expensive was what they'd say. and make it look expensive and um I'm so like, my women were never pretty enough. It's like, well, you gotta make her prettier, make her prettier, you know?
Jill McVarish: And. So yeah, I did that.
Chris Penick: Okay.
Jill McVarish: job. I worked for two different companies. I ended up transferring to a different country. shortly before I moved out here, which was great because I could work from home. and pretty much do the same thing.
Jill McVarish: and just mail the paintings off. but um That was 12 years of... I didn't have a choice. like they told me exactly how to paint and I was thrilled like I got benefits I got a good salary like I mean I i could not complain and during those 12 years it completely took the fun out of painting for me it was like
Chris Penick: Mm hmm.
Chris Penick: o
Jill McVarish: just a job and sweet job. And I was insanely grateful to have it. um And then. 2027. 2008 hit and like the market just disappeared.
Jill McVarish: disappeared And I lost that job. And so.
Chris Penick: oh
Jill McVarish: It was really scary because by then I'd like. had a mortgage on my house. um I was living in a way that I absolutely couldn't like. you know.
Jill McVarish: I couldn't get a ah waitressing job and cover the life that I had.
Chris Penick: right
Jill McVarish: So the pressure was really on to run around, like get gallery shows, talk to galleries. get a whole bunch of work together. And. It was.
Jill McVarish: so amazing like i got this idea Like wouldn't it be funny if I took like because they live with a on the coast of Oregon. And so there's all this history around, especially because we live in kind of a touristy place.
Jill McVarish: And so there's a lot of like Lewis and Clark stuff. um
Chris Penick: oh
Jill McVarish: All this kind of, you know. history like north northwest history and so i had this idea to do like this whole series of paintings for the show that would be like really funny and irreverent.
Chris Penick: Yeah?
Jill McVarish: But it would be like. I kind of got the point wrong. Like it would be like. Sacagawea making baskets, but it's like her playing basketball.
Jill McVarish: Or it would be like Lewis and Clark, like with their maps, you know, out like.
Chris Penick: Right.
Jill McVarish: discovering um the northwest but it was Dick Clark and Jerry Lewis. and had like... Another one of...
Chris Penick: Okay, that one, i i I didn't see that one. i I need a print of that. I need that. Okay, there we go.
Jill McVarish: I don't have a
Chris Penick: That is excellent.
Jill McVarish: I get photographs anymore but my favorite was when I had one of Jefferson and his office commissioning them to take this expedition and it was George Jefferson you know so he had like the George Jefferson posture and everything and all of a sudden like
Chris Penick: Yeah.
Chris Minnick: Ha ha!
Chris Penick: So... Sammy's sitting over there.
Jill McVarish: That's what did it.
Chris Penick: I think i dont think she knows who George Jefferson is, right?
Jill McVarish: Oh yeah, you're too you're too young for the Jeffersons.
Chris Minnick: Yeah.
Jill McVarish: It was this like terrible 70s sitcom.
Chris Penick: Yeah, oh my goodness.
Jill McVarish: But.
Chris Penick: See, that's wonderful. That's awesome.
Jill McVarish: But that was it. it did I mean, that was like, didn't have to think about what.
Chris Penick: That is great.
Jill McVarish: um you know, what my voice was or what my style was or anything.
Chris Penick: Right?
Jill McVarish: It was because I had been pent up for 12 years. That like.
Chris Penick: It was building.
Jill McVarish: I felt like like a horse that just got let out of a pen you know it was just all of a sudden it was it was just there and Yeah, I never had.
Chris Penick: oh
Chris Minnick: Yeah.
Jill McVarish: I never had to think about it again.
Chris Penick: Okay. All right, so so Sammy. you then i i'm gonna put that same question then to you So does does that story sound familiar?
Chris Penick: in how you, i the ideas that you can do. that I know you've got assignments. Because it's school. But I see a lot of things that you do outside of school. quite often.
Chris Penick: Um... Is it that same sort of thing that it just sort of comes to you of? there Or how does it come to you? There we go. It would be the best way to ask. i mean is
Sam: So... That's... Hard to answer so I do have to think about the assignment first. um But a lot of the assignments are...
Chris Penick: Sure.
Sam: Like... Add something creative to this still life. Like that was one of my assignments.
Chris Penick: Okay.
Sam: It's like Paint the still life and then paint it again. but make it creative. So I...
Chris Penick: That's like make it expensive.
Sam: I was like, okay. It feels the same.
Jill McVarish: yes
Chris Minnick: Yeah.
Chris Penick: What does that mean?
Sam: um
Chris Penick: Make it creative. Okay, yeah.
Sam: um So I was like, okay, what?
Chris Penick: Wait, is this what I'm paying for? Hold on.
Sam: What things... Do I... Like. and what do I actually want to paint because like the thing is like that big. um So...
Sam: I was like, okay, I like... rococo style paintings so i repainted the still life in a rococo style added some characters from different paintings.
Sam: uh and i i really like that one so but to... get there for every For every painting every drawing that I do like BEEP way of getting there is a little different like
Chris Penick: Mm hmm.
Sam: Sometimes I'm... Tired of... Doing the same kind of stuff that I've been doing so I want to switch it up I want to like take a walk outside and see like oh There's a plant there. I like that plant. I'm going to paint that plant.
Sam: um
Chris Penick: okay
Sam: So... It's it's not it's really hard for me to suddenly think of a great idea um and that's like one of
Chris Penick: Okay
Sam: my classes. Their focus is... How? to generate those ideas for marketable things like um Um.
Sam: newspapers, magazines, that kind of stuff. um
Chris Penick: Well...
Sam: And like a whole...
Chris Minnick: That.
Sam: unit was just sketching making Sure that you're not sticking to just one idea. You're really branching out trying to figure out how many different ways can I interpret this.
Sam: um And that's really hard. That's like the hardest part about. painting drawing in my opinion is just like finding those cool ideas that fits the prompt. and fits the assignment.
Chris Penick: I think you had...
Sam: oh
Chris Penick: it That's awesome. that yeah so C Money, you have a question? Did you? You were...
Chris Minnick: Uh,
Chris Minnick: Yeah, I think the the generating idea is, you know, Jill, you've talked to this. ah Um... And, you know, I think kind of the the theme that I get from you is Take a damn break and it's kind of um i mean sound Can you talk about that, like generating ideas, where they come from?
Jill McVarish: I found that when...
Chris Penick: there you go
Chris Minnick: burnite Burnout.
Jill McVarish: When I first started having shows. It became infinitely easier to come up with ideas when I would. Pick a theme.
Jill McVarish: And then. not maybe even have ah a certain idea of it like say for example i recently did a show that was um based on the Muppets. And so... Then I'll...
Jill McVarish: right there i have a whole bunch of parameters it's like it's going to be nothing but muppets So then you've narrowed down so much what you're doing. But then you have, to you know, you have a handful of characters and then you can think about, well, you know, what would these characters get up to? And like, wouldn't it be funny if...
Jill McVarish: you know, Ernie and Bert were fencing each other or something like that, you know, and and like. often it's in like Coming up with um a strict...
Jill McVarish: set of guidelines or working from a theme has really helped me because within one idea, there's a million variations that then start coming to you because it's really hard to just kind of draw out of.
Jill McVarish: Infinite. you know possibilities of everything how do you how would you decide and i found by putting limits on it um It's awful.
Chris Penick: uh That...
Chris Minnick: That is the best advice in the world.
Chris Penick: that
Chris Minnick: I find that with writing fiction, too.
Chris Penick: That is Rick Ward. Yeah, you've talked about that There you go.
Chris Minnick: is... If you've got strict limits on yourself. don't try to write about everything fix pick something or try don't try to paint. everything.
Chris Minnick: Pick something very specific. and paint that. So even if you...
Chris Penick: So Sammy, you're a plant.
Chris Minnick: yeah
Chris Penick: yeah as you know you're paint your plan draw your plan but i but i i i thought that was
Chris Minnick: Yeah.
Chris Penick: it's it it It almost seems to me that... Jill, in a way... the the rules or the requirements that Sammy School is putting around her. are you're almost implementing those upon yourself.
Chris Penick: a little bit it sounds like
Jill McVarish: Well, yeah, and it's I think that um What Sammy's having to do is the hardest thing where they're not giving her the opportunity to like. take an idea and then spend the next six months on that one idea. Like she's really in the, like, everything's an exercise. You're looking at every, everything.
Jill McVarish: going to do you're going to learn from this and then we're going to jump to a completely different thing and we're going to cram your head full for the next four years of every different little thing and not give you a chance and you know and that's that's that's the hard part but it's also you know It can be exciting as well, too. but um You know, that is that is a time when you're...
Chris Penick: Yeah.
Jill McVarish: you're just you're given everything and it's it's pretty it's pretty tricky to try to distill that down to what you know your particular voice is because You're in the middle of being exposed to everything, you know, which is good, but it's it's hard too.
Chris Penick: Well, there you go. So Sam, Sammy, I'm going to make an offer to you right now then. Okay. So, and you can play this back to mom. when you know, you need to, that since it sounds like there needs to be a point.
Chris Penick: to really turn this into a vocation, a career. ah a Passion. There needs to be a point where you've almost got no other choice. So I'm going to prevent you from coming back home.
Chris Penick: You're going to have to figure out how to make. No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding.
Jill McVarish: Yeah.
Chris Penick: I'm kidding. It was just.
Chris Minnick: ah
Chris Penick: Just je just the...
Sam: I get kicked out.
Chris Penick: Yeah, just just the opposite.
Chris Minnick: ah ah ah
Chris Penick: Just the opposite. What I what i want is, is I would say, you know what?
Chris Minnick: Well...
Chris Penick: you know when you graduate come back Right. Well, you come back over the summers anyway, but. Come back and... yeah if it takes you a couple years to figure out where you want to go i didn't have that when i you know went to school but Yeah, as long as I can see that you're that's what you're trying to do is you know find that voice find that idea find that your place in the the art world. Great.
Sam: ah The reason I...
Chris Penick: you know do it
Sam: Cheers. this school specifically is to avoid that. a lot of
Chris Penick: Right.
Sam: people get a job either related to or in their field of choice.
Chris Penick: Mm hmm.
Sam: Um. and there are a lot of internship opportunities. so
Chris Penick: but Are they good with...
Sam: Working.
Chris Penick: so Well, I thought... I figured they were good with... with animation, I didn't. know that that was as strong for them for illustration is it is it the case too that they have i mean they have a They promote a...
Sam: I mean, I'm going to have to look at the statistics the statistics again, but like...
Chris Penick: What you can't quote them off the top of your head. Come on no
Sam: I'm so sorry.
Chris Penick: Yeah.
Sam: um A lot of. students, like I said, like, like, fashion, there was like... and It might have been fashion. I don't know. There was some girl who was not in animation and not in my major who recently got, like...
Sam: this Crazy. job and like I don't even remember what it was, but there was this whole like. email sent out of like Look at this. Rising Star.
Sam: Um. So.
Chris Penick: Oh wow, that's cool.
Sam: Yeah.
Chris Penick: okay all right so i i have another kind of uh leading question here then all right so And this is this is for Jill here. So he is... Is there ever a moment? And if there has or has there or could you describe a moment?
Chris Penick: When you're in your studio. or I don't know how you work if you do it. i mean if your studio is the house or that or if you have a studio But where you go. There's some part of you that goes.
Chris Penick: You decide you want to do something. but There's a part of you that goes, I do not yet know how to do this. is Is there like, have you?
Chris Penick: Tried to stretch. your style or you know maybe found a ah point where you're like, I'm not exactly sure what I want to do next. And I need to.
Jill McVarish: um I would say that within probably the last less than 10 years, I've reached a point where I don't. I don't have that, but um I think the challenge in the, you know.
Jill McVarish: 30 years previous was like.
Chris Penick: Mm hmm.
Jill McVarish: You're only going to be able to do this to the extent of your limitation. and sometimes you would design a painting sort of based on that and you would um And that's how, you know, you just keep practicing and practicing and practicing until like you figure out that you've kind of got landscapes down now, you know, where
Jill McVarish: i do primarily figurative painting but you know landscapes come into it and so for a long time i would just kind of avoid that or i would find like a landscape painting and just kind of copy it because
Chris Penick: Okay.
Chris Penick: Right.
Jill McVarish: that was an easier thing to do than you know going out landscape and trying to make it up or whatever um But I would say that it took me, you know. probably from age. 15 to age 45.
Jill McVarish: So what's that? 30 years to...
Chris Penick: Yeah.
Jill McVarish: To get to a point where I'm not afraid to put something in a painting because I don't think I can do it um
Chris Penick: Dead.
Jill McVarish: but that you know like now I'm really interested in making dolls and stuff and I'm
Chris Penick: Okay.
Jill McVarish: At the very beginning of like, I'm completely limited by it. There's so many things and techniques and stuff.
Chris Penick: Okay, see...
Jill McVarish: I don't know.
Chris Minnick: Ah.
Chris Penick: That, uh... Chris can see me.
Chris Minnick: i know I know where you're going, Penick.
Chris Penick: That's awesome.
Chris Minnick: Yep.
Chris Penick: That's it. See?
Chris Minnick: But...
Chris Penick: that Yeah, okay, where am I going? All right, let's see. Let's test the the the the Chris's.
Chris Minnick: No, I know where you're going. ah
Chris Penick: Yeah. Go ahead, go ahead.
Chris Minnick: you're yourre so You're saying... that uh there is something that you are learning. And so despite your protestations about hating to learn,
Chris Penick: Yep.
Chris Minnick: Uh, You, um you know. If something piques your interest enough and you have reason enough, you go whole hog into it.
Chris Minnick: So you're doing that with upholstery and dial making right now.
Chris Penick: Yeah.
Chris Penick: I mean...
Chris Minnick: And ah and.
Chris Penick: Yeah, that's it. Yes.
Chris Minnick: It's freaking awesome. Uh...
Chris Penick: That is freaking awesome. That is very awesome.
Chris Minnick: And it's something that, you know. i i for one am completely jealous of your ability to single -mindedly pursue one thing i had famously like seven different college majors. And then I dropped out.
Chris Minnick: ah Just because I cannot, you know.
Chris Penick: Hello. Yeah.
Chris Minnick: I cannot decide on one thing.
Chris Penick: Back up to three. Yeah.
Chris Minnick: Everything is fascinating to me.
Chris Penick: Yep.
Chris Minnick: Uh,
Jill McVarish: All right.
Chris Penick: Yep.
Chris Minnick: so But i'm I'm... Good at nothing.
Jill McVarish: All right.
Chris Minnick: And so...
Chris Penick: yeah
Chris Minnick: i I think that's that's awesome.
Chris Penick: I used to say jack of all trades, master of none. Yeah.
Chris Minnick: Yes, yes
Chris Penick: So that was mine, yeah. That was, yeah.
Jill McVarish: It's not true.
Chris Penick: Well...
Chris Minnick: Bye.
Chris Penick: So... Sammy, then I kind of the same question, then I know it's illustration, but. All right, you have to fess up though. You didn't start with the illustration.
Chris Penick: Right?
Sam: no i started with animation i started with animation because i thought I want to do visual development and specifically character design for animation so
Chris Penick: Okay.
Sam: what a lot of people do I have found out is... got into animation got really scared by it and then went into illustration. For me, it was less of being scared by it but more um i thought this was more the Path.
Sam: That. fit me Um... being an illustration. Um. and then later i'm gonna Take some animation classes because that's what a lot of professors recommend um But to answer the question, I...
Sam: love the feeling of I want to do something. I really am. set on I don't know painting a building. um And I don't know how to do it.
Sam: Now that's like a whole other project for me to figure out. And...
Chris Penick: that's my kid
Sam: the more The more that I do that...
Chris Minnick: Eh...
Sam: The more... I will get better at it, and... get that like adrenaline rush every single time.
Chris Penick: Okay.
Sam: And so. I feel like I'm never gonna be perfect at... Anything? Especially art. Like, art's like... you're You're never gonna... paint exactly what you see.
Sam: Um.
Chris Penick: We got a little bit of a...
Sam: So...
Chris Penick: Technical glitch.
Sam: For me, it's more like Exploring styles less less buildings, but more If I see a... an artist that i really really admire i want to like dissect how they use color how they use value how they use the different mediums how can i Put that in my art.
Sam: and make it better.
Chris Penick: Okay, that's awesome.
Sam: Because that that's like that's what I love to do.
Chris Penick: I got it.
Chris Minnick: That is exactly the way to do it. and Yeah.
Chris Penick: it's i YouTube, both of you.
Chris Minnick: Yeah.
Jill McVarish: Yeah, I like.
Chris Penick: Have inspired me. Go ahead. Go. I'm sorry. Chill. Go. Please.
Jill McVarish: No, I really like Sammy's humility, too, because that's the sign of somebody who is actually going to. get really good it's it's you can tell when somebody says that they're never going to be perfect but they're going to keep trying that's that person will end up being infinitely better than somebody who's like oh and by the way i'm a master at buildings you know like those people stop learning
Chris Minnick: She'll never be a Picasso. So.
Jill McVarish: they
Chris Penick: Oh yes.
Chris Minnick: ah
Chris Penick: Right, but she could be a Michelangelo. who at 80 said he was still learning.
Jill McVarish: Yeah.
Chris Penick: so
Jill McVarish: Yeah, that's the spirit.
Chris Minnick: Yeah.
Chris Penick: There you go.
Chris Minnick: Yeah, she'll never be Andy Warhol.
Chris Penick: That's the spirit. And see, and that's just it.
Jill McVarish: they
Chris Minnick: ah ah
Chris Penick: Oh, no, no.
Jill McVarish: Thank goodness.
Chris Penick: But. that's that That's probably a pretty good thing, too. I don't i you know.
Jill McVarish: Yeah.
Chris Penick: i don't know ah Some of Andy's crowd was interesting. um Yes. but they so Okay, so despite, as as Chris put it, despite the protestations.
Chris Penick: um You are still learning. And... you know You are. ah just as I find you just as humble and amazing.
Chris Penick: on all this and so i i want to thank you first of all for coming on and and being brave enough to talk about this okay so i want to make sure that that goes before anywhere here, and...
Chris Penick: If... you If you had... you know look Like... i know this is the classic sort of cheesy one um mm -hmm What's the biggest piece of advice?
Chris Penick: you could give Sammy. And I'm curious as if you think there's anything you can take. from a student's perspective. you You keep mentioning that. you know about that she's learning all that and you the way you had almost a gap after you Went from there. Is there anything that that could bring to your art?
Chris Penick: Now. So... Both questions. And then Sammy, you get to answer the same one. How's that? Okay. So that might make a... You want to wait on that one a little bit?
Jill McVarish: I'm sorry, what was the question?
Chris Penick: Sorry, I got to clear it up again.
Jill McVarish: No, I'm not clear on what the question was exactly.
Chris Penick: Okay, so... You know, if you were going to give some advice. To Samantha. on learning art, learning technique. um developing to process anything and you know what what's what's something that jumps out at you as you know a gem of Hey. if i I wish I had known this when I was starting out in art.
Chris Penick: And on the flip side... Is there anything from... a student's perspective that you think maybe you can take back to you? is it helpful but I find it's helpful to think like a beginner.
Chris Penick: In music. For me, because I break things down. and And Sammy was showing us her squares, right? So, and it sounds like you did the same thing with landscapes so where. You go through this, I'm going to just paint a landscape and paint a landscape.
Chris Penick: do you Did you keep all of those? or do are they failures in my
Chris Minnick: Wait a minute. We're getting into too many questions here, Chris.
Chris Penick: i' try I'm sorry.
Chris Minnick: ah
Chris Penick: i'm just I'm excited about this. I'm excited. I know. This is why we have co -hosts.
Chris Minnick: let's stick to one question
Jill McVarish: put
Chris Penick: all right so the first question is anything you would tell sammy how's that Let's do that one.
Jill McVarish: Okay, so as...
Chris Minnick: Yep. Oh.
Jill McVarish: As to advice, i don't I don't think I have any advice because... um It's just a completely different world. like in the Era that I grew up.
Jill McVarish: I was insanely lucky. I just dropped into school at a certain time in history that It was very easy for me to do that.
Jill McVarish: um based on a set of parameters that just don't exist for kids now. like She's in a whole different world and I really don't have. i i can't Bye, dog.
Jill McVarish: My advice would be useless.
Chris Penick: Okay. Oh that's fair.
Jill McVarish: um
Chris Penick: That's absolutely fair.
Jill McVarish: And that's honest. um I'm sure there's a million things that I can learn from Sammy that I don't know that she already knows more about than I do.
Chris Penick: Yeah.
Jill McVarish: so It's not a very good answer, but that's how I feel.
Chris Penick: oh Wow, okay that Yeah.
Jill McVarish: um Yeah.
Chris Penick: Well, there you go Well, there i don't I know, Chris, you could learn Procreate. From Sammy. You were doing your...
Chris Minnick: Oh, yeah, yeah.
Chris Penick: Sammy procreates since procreate's been in existence.
Chris Minnick: I mean, i've
Chris Penick: She's... I think she... I think she... Yeah. Pretty much the first thing we downloaded on our iPad.
Chris Minnick: I've learned just enough to do like the masterpieces that you saw in episode eight.
Chris Penick: Yes. Sammy have you seen that last episode yet?
Chris Minnick: And. you know that's
Chris Penick: okay
Sam: I don't think I have.
Chris Minnick: That's all I need.
Chris Penick: please Please check it out.
Chris Minnick: Alright.
Chris Penick: You have to see the gorgeous anime work that...
Chris Minnick: Yeah.
Sam: Is it?
Chris Penick: Chris did.
Sam: I will.
Chris Minnick: All right
Chris Penick: Okay. All right.
Jill McVarish: Okay.
Chris Penick: So.
Chris Minnick: Just enough.
Chris Penick: ah
Jill McVarish: You will be well impressed.
Chris Minnick: I know how to make a circle
Sam: I'm really excited about that. I was i was waiting for that one.
Chris Penick: You...
Chris Minnick: Well impressed.
Chris Penick: See, but that's just it.
Chris Minnick: Alright.
Chris Penick: i this That's it. It's it's that was's beautiful. That's that's because... Chris, yeah I gotta to throw another... you know, bit of kudos to you on that. that challenge You embraced wholeheartedly.
Chris Penick: All right, you went
Chris Minnick: i
Chris Penick: And I mean, you even got like a temporary Crunchyroll subscription, which by the way, they're still our sponsor. they just don't know it yet all right so crunchyroll we're waiting for a check um
Chris Minnick: ah Yep.
Chris Penick: you know So that was awesome. And you went in. wholehearted. You just said, I'm just going to do it. And. Hey. You did it. so And you're not embarrassed to talk about it or show it.
Chris Penick: It's like, great.
Chris Minnick: totally
Chris Penick: Yeah. So... That's... My one last question. I know we're getting near the end here. Have there been things. you know Sammy, I know you've had some pieces that you don't like.
Chris Penick: um
Sam: Oh yeah.
Chris Penick: Jill? Do you have like some pieces or things that you've done that you've said, okay, no one's ever seen that or that's just gone or. you know have Have there been failures that...
Chris Penick: Probably from our perspective, we would not look at it as failure. but Have the things you've considered a failure.
Jill McVarish: Yeah, I think I used to have a lot more failures in the beginning and um You just, ah for me personally. um you would just labor over a thing and the harder you like labored over it would just start to get worse and worse and worse until like
Chris Penick: oh
Jill McVarish: i i would throw things away you know or just paint over them start over you know um And it wasn't until I had that job where that was just not an option. Option. Like you absolutely had to work this out because like it was due and you know, you can't just throw away that. art materials like you you have an assignment you have to get it done and That job was really great for me. I mean, it wasn't fun. It wasn't glamorous. It wasn't like.
Jill McVarish: it not really living the dream in the way that I imagined the dream but it I got everything from that job that I didn't get from school because it was like instead of like I thought this thing would be really cool and, you know.
Jill McVarish: Maybe I'll, I don't know. spend a month and a half on it and then throw it away or whatever. Like you just had no choice. You just had to do it every single day. You had to go into work. You had to get it done. You had to get it done when they said it needed done.
Jill McVarish: You had to like do a painting in like three days.
Chris Penick: There's
Jill McVarish: And like they taught me. in that experience. I learned how to like. blow through things. like just whatever it is you gotta just keep going until it's better and so that was just that that exercise of just um Do it!
Jill McVarish: Peace. Do it. until it's done like no matter what and you do that a couple times it gets a lot easier and um So by the time
Chris Penick: That was your suffering for your art. And now you're here where you make the art you want.
Jill McVarish: I was suffering for a paycheck, but yeah, I mean, I put in the suffering.
Chris Minnick: Okay.
Chris Penick: Yeah, I mean...
Jill McVarish: Yeah.
Chris Penick: ah you You got paid for your suffering.
Jill McVarish: Yeah.
Chris Penick: that's that You put in the suffering.
Jill McVarish: Yeah.
Chris Penick: Exactly.
Jill McVarish: Yeah.
Chris Penick: There you go.
Jill McVarish: But then, you know, from that comes then the ability to plow through things in the way that I didn't used to be able to before.
Chris Penick: That's wonderful.
Jill McVarish: but um
Chris Penick: That's wonderful that's what Thank you so much. so Sammy, you any any last... you Have you gotten rid of... I mean, ive I know some pieces that you don't. want to show off. that I love.
Chris Penick: have you Have you considered any of them failures? just
Sam: ah Failure. Oh yeah. Yes. um
Chris Penick: Okay.
Sam: I don't... Like... Throwing away my pieces though because I feel like Especially especially the ones that I've spent so long on. um
Chris Penick: Oh, you're invested. okay yeah
Sam: It's just like... I spent hours on this and I... Saw the potential and then it didn't. It failed. um i can't just throw it away i can't i can't like i can't just throw it away so it's like
Chris Penick: So... Alright.
Sam: In a drawer somewhere, probably.
Chris Penick: Maybe that's something you can take from Jill, a little bit of knowing when to let it go.
Sam: Um.
Sam: Yeah, well, again...
Chris Penick: Maybe.
Jill McVarish: Oh, well, these these projects, that they become like your children.
Chris Minnick: yeah
Jill McVarish: Like, you just can't, you know?
Chris Penick: I... Absolutely.
Jill McVarish: Put so much into them.
Chris Penick: that Yeah.
Chris Minnick: But.
Chris Penick: you know.
Chris Minnick: at some point
Sam: But I see...
Chris Minnick: Yeah. At some point in our school there's a required there's the required class where you work all semester on something and then the professor makes you destroy it
Sam: I see what you mean. um
Jill McVarish: Oh really?
Chris Penick: What?
Chris Minnick: there in class, right? Huh?
Chris Penick: Huh?
Sam: So... Not my... Not my my professors?
Chris Penick: I don't want that one. I'm not doing that. No.
Sam: Not my professors and not...
Chris Penick: Uh oh.
Sam: my school, but I have heard that from other schools like my friend is in a different like my friend goes to RISD um that's probably something that happens at RISD There's like... crazy things going on at RISD.
Chris Penick: Wow. Okay. Yeah. All right.
Sam: But I understand what you mean.
Chris Penick: Well, I'm glad ah glad we went where you went. so Yeah.
Sam: I understand what you mean, Jill, about... um Like... pushing through. Certain... things in your paintings because like Like you said, it's it's due.
Sam: and you need to turn it in and i can't turn in like a sketch so
Chris Penick: Yeah.
Chris Penick: Like see this is this
Sam: I felt that.
Chris Penick: This this all makes me feel so much better about the school because it sounds like what we're doing is what's What this art school is giving you is a little... little taste of What Jill...
Chris Penick: took years to do of of working with you how long did you say it was again with the with the Ethan Allen.
Jill McVarish: I did that job for over 12 years, yeah.
Chris Penick: and Yeah, so a dozen years of being told this is what your art will be. and This is so... You're in the same situation. You're told you're going to create this assignment.
Chris Penick: And then... a couple more years, there's that sudden switch that's going to go off. You may you know go to work and have a job, but you're still going to have the ability to... you know so i'm saying all right i'll be there for you sammy when it gets to that point okay when you know because yeah everybody needs a little while where they can figure out where they want to go Alright. and what they want to do, which direction to head.
Chris Penick: um I just have to say, I know we're getting close to the end, aren't we? Aren't we? ah
Chris Minnick: Yeah.
Chris Penick: We could keep keep going on this.
Chris Minnick: Okay.
Chris Penick: so
Chris Minnick: No, no let's let's wrap it up.
Chris Penick: Are we going to make RISD a sponsor now? though Yeah, no, they're a sponsor now.
Chris Minnick: But...
Jill McVarish: Okay.
Chris Penick: We mentioned them.
Sam: as far as Sorry,
Chris Penick: I'm sorry, RISD, you are now a sponsor. We will expect a check. I'll put an address somewhere for them to send it to us.
Chris Minnick: all right and so speaking of that i want to mention that we have a new website Alright, moving towards better .org.
Chris Penick: oo
Chris Minnick: Chris, as soon as you.
Chris Penick: Yeah. Oh yeah, as soon as I finish this domains.
Chris Minnick: Give me the information. for the switch the domain over. But by the time this is live, we'll have a new website moving towards better .org.
Chris Penick: I'll do that today.
Chris Minnick: where there's sponsorship information. You can watch past episodes. And. more.
Chris Penick: You can find links to Jill's work and Sammy's sammy's artwork.
Chris Minnick: um Well.
Chris Penick: there as well
Chris Minnick: Sammy, do you have do you have a website? Do you have somewhere where people can go and see your work?
Sam: I have a website, it's really bad, but yes I have a website.
Chris Penick: Put it out Just put it out.
Chris Minnick: Do you want to mention it?
Sam: Mm -hmm I might need to work on it a little bit. I'll see. We'll see.
Chris Penick: I'll put the link on it.
Chris Minnick: Alright, cool.
Chris Penick: I already...
Sam: Oh okay.
Chris Minnick: Jill.
Chris Penick: So... Jill, do you want to mention your website?
Jill McVarish: Oh, it's jillmcferrish .com.
Chris Penick: What?
Jill McVarish: That's McFerrish, M -C -V, like Victor, A -R -I -S -H.
Chris Penick: there we go excellent
Chris Minnick: Fantastic.
Chris Penick: Please check them out.
Chris Minnick: Well thank you.
Chris Penick: Thank you both so much.
Chris Minnick: Yeah. Check them out, please.
Chris Penick: and sammy i'll see you uh i guess whenever the next break like subscribe we don't have the buttons yet we still have to use you know
Chris Minnick: Like and subscribe.
Chris Penick: You can help us, Sammy. Help me with the... the support like subscribe which Point somewhere. It's got to be near you somewhere.
Chris Minnick: We've got buttons.
Chris Penick: We've got buttons.
Chris Minnick: all right cool
Jill McVarish: All right, cool.
Chris Penick: There you go.
Chris Minnick: Yes.
Chris Penick: Excellent.
Chris Minnick: Thank you.
Chris Penick: Alright.
Jill McVarish: thanks for having us on the show
Chris Minnick: See you next time.
Chris Penick: Yeah.
Chris Minnick: Yeah. Thank you guys.
Sam: Thank you.
Chris Penick: a
Chris Minnick: Bye.
Chris Penick: Alright.
