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Chris Minnick: All right, we're rolling.
Chris Penick: We're rolling. Okay. So then...
Chris Minnick: Rolling, rolling, rolling. Yes.
Chris Penick: Now you're...
Chris Minnick: And so this is this is the part where it's peas and carrots, peas and carrots, peas and carrots.
Chris Penick: know This is
Chris Penick: Carrots apiece.
Chris Minnick: but but Witty banter, you know, while the music's playing. Hello.
Chris Penick: and then And then it fades up. And then what? And then So... and Hello!
Chris Minnick: Welcome
Chris Penick: and And welcome to Moving Towards Better. All right. Which is
Chris Minnick: welcome to Welcome to moving towards better.
Chris Penick: Yeah, towards better. And it's towards with an S, we decided. So, all right, there you go and And our whole subject today and subject for the podcast is about learning and about how learning works in your life and how just makes your life better.
Chris Minnick: Yes.
Chris Penick: And so I think about all the things that we study, learn, we learn, one way or another all right by experience right or by uh you know actually cracking open a book or cracking up something like that and it it just reminds me and i don't know who said this but it always reminds me of wherever you are in life if you're not changing it you're choosing it right see so learning is all about
Chris Minnick: That's good.
Chris Penick: Yeah, changing what you, you know, since life is nothing but change, changing life for you to be happy, right?
Chris Minnick: Yeah.
Chris Minnick: Yeah.
Chris Penick: I mean, that was not very eloquently put, but, you know
Chris Minnick: Yeah.
Chris Minnick: No, but you know, I've told people that like, if, you know, if you're not doing something about it, then you must like it.
Chris Penick: Yeah.
Chris Penick: Yeah, exactly.
Chris Minnick: You know, if you want to put it another way, you know, that's
Chris Penick: So there's there's this. If you want to learn how to make your life happier, if you want to learn how to make your day-to-day living happier,
Chris Minnick: interesting or yeah.
Chris Penick: interesting interesting-er. I like that. That's good. Let's let's do that. Interesting-er. If you want to you learn better vocational skills for you, this is all about that. All of those things.
Chris Penick: And so, you know, i am am, you know, Chris Penick.
Chris Minnick: Yeah.
Chris Penick: And sometimes I'm known as as DJ Crispy. And we'll well you'll you'll find those out over time. How's that? There you go. And this is...
Chris Minnick: Hi, I'm Chris Minnick and yeah, also known sometimes as C-Money.
Chris Penick: Yeah.
Chris Penick: And...
Chris Minnick: But let me tell, let me, I mean, I want to know, i think our our audience wants to know a little bit more about us and that would help because we're we had we bring some interesting perspectives to the whole idea of learning and a lot of experience.
Chris Penick: Little bit.
Chris Minnick: ah for And also mystery. And so like, Chris, you're going to start out, you know, with the introductions, but like something interesting that I know about you is that you're very coy about you had some sort of secret government job that you allude to sometimes.
Chris Penick: Mystery.
Chris Minnick: And so I'm always imagining like what that might be, but I know you can't talk about it you know, but tell us about yourself.
Chris Penick: Okay. Okay. All right. There you go. Right. I will not quote like some of the people I've i've worked with. You know, if I told you what I did, I'd have to kill you. No, I'm not going to tell you any of that.
Chris Minnick: Yeah.
Chris Penick: um Because that's not true, actually. But what who I am is Chris Penick. And I have worked in... private organizations in the government. I've worked for a pen test company. I've i've done, if you've ever watched bad 80s, 90s, maybe early 2000s movies about hackers, the hacker person in there was probably me. that you know did Not anymore. might My skills, see, not following my own advice. My skills are rusty, but that's because it wasn't interesting to me anymore. I've moved on to other things. so um
Chris Penick: So what I do now is I do a lot of teaching. I do a lot of creating things for people to use to learn, whether that's video or or you know written material or sometimes actually up in front of a classroom and working with that and do a lot of that for the private sector right now. um And I'm hoping out of this podcast, we inspire and provide resources for you to learn the things you want to learn, whatever it is, you know, and we talk, we'll talk about how it fits with your brain and, and we'll talk about, you know, just the,
Chris Penick: What techniques work and what doesn't? we'll We'll get to more of that actually later today.
Chris Minnick: Suspense.
Chris Penick: But, you know, yeah so as far as I'm concerned, I just want to get out there. I think learning is living. that's That's how it is for me. And so I just want to get that message out and hopefully we get other people doing the same thing.
Chris Penick: Try something.
Chris Minnick: And about, yeah, totally. And, you know, I'm back to sort of my original angle here with trying to drag something out of you. I know something you you can talk about is you actually worked for of a former president, you right?
Chris Penick: Yeah.
Chris Penick: Oh, yeah, I was I was I worked for I did some Windows security training for the executive office of the president way back in the Clinton administration. um So don't blame me.
Chris Penick: I have nothing to do with any emails or anything like that. i Yeah.
Chris Minnick: you weren't You weren't in the little room off the side there?
Chris Penick: ah
Chris Minnick: no ah ah cool.
Chris Penick: Setting up an email server. No. And, and and you know, no, no. But I was actually, I assisted their staff on learning how to make sure things were secure.
Chris Penick: So whatever they did after that, it was up to them.
Chris Minnick: Yeah.
Chris Minnick: Yeah.
Chris Penick: I was not the one responsible. I was the one responsible for showing them what they should do and shouldn't. How's that? There you go.
Chris Minnick: Okay, so I have one more super interesting follow-up question for you.
Chris Penick: Oh, uo okay.
Chris Minnick: Also, quite a little a little personal story that rolls into possibly a question.
Chris Penick: Okay.
Chris Minnick: My question, first of all, well, my statement is, I shook Bill Clinton's hand once, and it was the best handshake that I've ever had in my life.
Chris Penick: Okay.
Chris Penick: I...
Chris Minnick: It was just... soft and like firm and he like looked right in my eyes and like you could tell he really cared and so as what I wanted to know if you've had that experience if you ever shook his hand
Chris Penick: i I have not. I haven't even been probably within the same building as him because the executive offices are actually ah out away from the White House. They're in a separate building in DC.
Chris Penick: So no, unfortunately, though I have in my career, I have gotten a general's coin or two.
Chris Minnick: oh
Chris Penick: That's when you do something that a general in the military really likes and they hand you ah ah they have their own minted coins that they hand you that says, hey,
Chris Minnick: That's cool.
Chris Penick: That was a great job. That was good stuff. And so they're sort of a ah career military collector thing.
Chris Minnick: Oh.
Chris Minnick: Yeah.
Chris Penick: So, but the, oh, he hands out coins or she, I don't know.
Chris Minnick: Our mayor does that. Yeah. he he he gave He gave Jill one.
Chris Penick: Oh, wow.
Chris Minnick: the yeah
Chris Penick: So that's, ah yeah, it's a neat idea.
Chris Minnick: and It's like, whoa, that's cool.
Chris Penick: i like it. It's like, so, and you get to, you know, and I'm, i actually, I don't know. Well, does your mayor have his own face on the coin or is it something else?
Chris Minnick: I know. I don't think he has his face on the coin.
Chris Penick: Okay, because I wanted to see how egotistical this was too.
Chris Minnick: Yeah.
Chris Penick: There's there's so there's a combination there.
Chris Minnick: now No, no. I think he might have been in the Coast Guard. Maybe this is where he got the idea. Like now he's sort of the general of the city or something. I don't know.
Chris Penick: Got it.
Chris Minnick: But.
Chris Penick: Got it. Okay. All right. Well, all right. So we've been digging into things about me. We're going to switch now, folks. We're to into some things here. I do know something interesting about Mr. Minnick, a.k.a.
Chris Penick: C-Money. And you can kind of see in the background there, maybe, if it's not cut off, it's probably going cut off on there. But there's a saxophone back there. And so you are looking at a Ska hero here, right?
Chris Penick: right i mean
Chris Minnick: hero
Chris Penick: Right? I mean, a little bit.
Chris Minnick: That's a little bit a little bit of an exaggeration.
Chris Penick: Is that a stretch?
Chris Minnick: little bit of an exaggeration.
Chris Penick: Okay.
Chris Minnick: But yeah, I was i was in high school and college.
Chris Penick: All right.
Chris Minnick: I was in the ska band Gangster Fun.
Chris Penick: I love the name.
Chris Minnick: um Yep. prior to that Prior to that, they're also they're known as the the godfathers of been midwest sky
Chris Penick: The Godfathers of Midwest sky
Chris Minnick: And so more, more, there are more famous bands like Jack Kevorkian and, and mustard plug, uh, who were inspired by gangster fun, but, and, but that's neither here nor there. That was, you know, I got my, yes.
Chris Penick: God. Go ahead, go ahead. I don't want to cut you off.
Chris Minnick: Hmm.
Chris Penick: Go ahead.
Chris Minnick: Oh no, no. It's it's, but it's true.
Chris Penick: So, okay.
Chris Minnick: And so toured with them for a lot of years, but,
Chris Penick: All right, well, well so, Well, let's say you actually, did you record an album?
Chris Minnick: Yes. Yes.
Chris Penick: Well, see, there you go. so you So you've got a lot of folks beat already right there.
Chris Minnick: Recorded and toured. You can.
Chris Penick: Okay. So folks, that's your mission.
Chris Minnick: Yeah.
Chris Penick: Find the album. you just Push those Spotify numbers up.
Chris Minnick: ah
Chris Penick: All right.
Chris Minnick: They'll know who Gangster Fun is. Everybody does.
Chris Penick: Everybody knows.
Chris Minnick: ah
Chris Penick: So, all right.
Chris Minnick: um
Chris Penick: All right. Well, tell us about you then now. So we we make the...
Chris Minnick: Yeah. I mean, like ah Chris Penn, DJ crispy, I got interested in computers when I was, you know, like 12 or so and got into hacking at that time as well.
Chris Penick: Just a wee lad.
Chris Minnick: ah And, Uh, you know, and it was the whole, the whole premise of hacking then was learning, exploring, ah reaching out to the rest of the world to find things out.
Chris Minnick: And sometimes you're finding out things that you weren't supposed to find out. And that was the adventure part of it.
Chris Penick: Yes.
Chris Minnick: And, ah then I went to school for, ah creative writing literature and then got out and went, got into software somehow because
Chris Penick: That's what you do.
Chris Minnick: it's just what happened. And, it's terminally boring to me.
Chris Penick: yeah
Chris Minnick: And so I started, i I've always been interested in a lot of different things and I started learning a lot of stuff and got into like, uh, just start taking classes all the time and learning, you know, like one week, uh,
Chris Minnick: drawing and copy editing and bowling and archery and sailing and wine making and beer making.
Chris Penick: wait wait Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. So archery. So, so some of these are news to me, folks. these days So the archery one that's news to me.
Chris Minnick: yeah
Chris Penick: Okay.
Chris Minnick: Yep.
Chris Penick: All right. there That's going to come up again.
Chris Minnick: Kung Fu. Yeah.
Chris Penick: Kung fu.
Chris Minnick: Yep.
Chris Penick: Oh, okay. Okay. You be, I need you to make a list later and send that to me.
Chris Minnick: And so,
Chris Penick: So, you know, I, I know. All right. Cause this is going to have to come up again in other shows.
Chris Minnick: Yeah. Yeah.
Chris Penick: Definitely.
Chris Minnick: yeah
Chris Penick: All right. There you go.
Chris Minnick: And, and so this is, this is, i mean, but in recent years, so now I'm like in my mid fifties and, uh, you know, a few years ago, i read a really inspiring book by Derek Sivers.
Chris Penick: Well,
Chris Minnick: He was the founder of CD baby. He's now is, you know, living on a remote Island somewhere, uh, and writing these tiny little books.
Chris Minnick: And i wrote to him and i was, I was like, Derek, I really love what you're doing.
Chris Penick: Yep.
Chris Minnick: And he wrote back immediately.
Chris Penick: Oh, wow
Chris Minnick: And ah we talked a little bit, we exchanged some emails and we talked about like, you know, i told him like who I am and stuff. And he told me this ah idea of his that he or his philosophy is that he doesn't believe in putting anything in his bio that isn't something that he is doing right now, like today.
Chris Minnick: And so he won't tell you he's the you know founder of CD Baby his bio.
Chris Penick: Okay.
Chris Minnick: He'll say, I'm a writer and ah you know a philosopher. And I kind of like that, but it's kind of like I've gotten to that age where I'm not doing as many new interesting things as I used to.
Chris Penick: Okay.
Chris Minnick: And so for me, what I want to get out of this podcast is how do you, as someone who maybe likes to think of yourself as an interesting person, start to do interesting things again. Like when the world is like trying to beat you into the ground, uh, on a daily basis.
Chris Penick: Hmm.
Chris Minnick: And so this is my goal with this podcast.
Chris Penick: Okay. All right. See, so, all right.
Chris Minnick: Yes.
Chris Penick: So if you were to answer his question, then if you were to put something on your bio, what would you say on your bio now?
Chris Minnick: Right now, I would say that I am a i AI instructor, professional AI instructor and author of four dummies books.
Chris Penick: Okay. All right. I was going to say, you could you you blew the chance right there, man. We could have said podcaster.
Chris Minnick: Oh yeah. And podcaster. See, I can add that now.
Chris Penick: Yeah, you can add podcaster.
Chris Minnick: Yes.
Chris Penick: There you go.
Chris Minnick: Yep.
Chris Penick: Because we're that's what we're doing. We're learning how to do this. All right. So help us out.
Chris Minnick: Yes.
Chris Penick: And one thing you can do, we'll make sure that you know we'll watch for comments and we'll have set up ways for you to get back in touch with us. All right. um So what might listeners expect from this then?
Chris Minnick: Yeah, um listeners can probably expect that I will be consuming wine.
Chris Penick: I like that. There you go.
Chris Minnick: um This is one of the things one of the many things that i do. But, ah you know, I think i I'd like what I'd like to see is that listeners can come here and hear interviews with really interesting people who are lifelong learners, who are enthusiastic about learning and who can, they can come and get new ideas and, uh, learn about learning. And i think that's, um, that's something that I really like about you, Mr. Pennick is that you,
Chris Minnick: You, you study how to learn a lot and I've seen your bookmarks list and it is really interesting to look at, you know, the man bookmarks all kinds of things that like I didn't even know existed and, and is like constantly learning things.
Chris Minnick: And so this is really cool. And I love to hear your thoughts on, ah thoughts on learning and what you've learned.
Chris Penick: Thoughts on learning. I like that. I like that. Well, okay. So one of the things then that I want to talk about this time around is is something very common that, you know like if you ask teachers, if you ask students, you ask anybody, oh I wasn't very good at school because I'm not XYZ kind of learner.
Chris Penick: yeah you You've heard that before, right? There's always somebody or i I can't learn that because, you know, I have to learn by this or I have to learn by that. Okay, there's a whole, whole lot of myth and some accuracy to this. And ands that's that's the idea of learning styles. I hear people say this, well, I'm a visual learner, so you need to draw me you know a sketch. I'm like, well, if you're trying to learn how to play violin, and you couldn't use, you know, I can't draw you a diagram, but
Chris Penick: of playing the violin, you need to maybe hear. And and so that kind of knocks out the idea that you're a visual learner. So what I do think is true, though, is that it's...
Chris Penick: you know it It feels true often, a lot of times, it feels true that, oh, I'm this style or that, but that's preference. So preferences are very real. you know if you like I like when people draw me a map of things, especially big new ideas. you know um One of my favorite things is to find like mind maps of, don't know, I'm studying psychology or something, and people draw out all the big ideas and spread it across. her That's great, yeah, and that's visual.
Chris Penick: right but that probably isn't going to help it stick. So the the the the myth is what we call the meshing hypothesis. Have you ever heard of this?
Chris Penick: You ever heard of mesh?
Chris Minnick: No, no.
Chris Penick: No? No?
Chris Minnick: no
Chris Penick: Okay. so in so like it So my my sister actually has a doctorate in education, so we talk about this every now and then, and that is that the claim that matching a person's style to the learning produces better learning, matching the instruction to the style. There we go. So matching the instruction to a person's style. So if someone says, I'm a visual learner, so you should start drawing things on the board, that's the meshing for them to learn how to play the violin.
Chris Penick: that's not gonna work. That's right. That's the myth. that's So there are there's no reliable evidence on any of that, at least none out there.
Chris Minnick: Okay.
Chris Penick: But so the most common model that people use to teach, and like, you know, when you go this, is they talk about visual. So VARC is a nice acronym. So visual, auditory,
Chris Minnick: Bark Bark.
Chris Penick: reading writing they make reading writing one i guess you could make it ah var rook so v-a-r-w-k if you because it's reading writing is one and then kinesthetic right so like you know if you're learning uh i don't know you're learning how to jump rope you know double dutch my daughter
Chris Minnick: Yeah. um
Chris Penick: my oldest daughter, man, the kids at her playground used to do that all the time. And I'm like, oh, don't let me even try. Right. So what?
Chris Minnick: Hmm.
Chris Penick: That's obviously kinesthetic. You have to try it. You have to jump, jump in and just go through the motions. Right. So if, when you get into it, there's, there's, I was looking at one review once that had like 71 different learning styles.
Chris Penick: So the thing is, is that that's a red flag right there.
Chris Minnick: Mm-hmm.
Chris Penick: That's when, you know, so the question isn't
Chris Minnick: Yeah.
Chris Penick: do you have a preference? It's will teaching to that preference help you learn better? And that's what I want to address with this is that, you know, so when we look across things, right, when we want when we go through this whole, when we do our umpteen bajillion shows, right, we get to have that cake like you do after 100 episodes or something, right?
Chris Minnick: Oh, interesting.
Chris Minnick: Yeah.
Chris Penick: So when you do that,
Chris Minnick: When you've, you've got that silver thing on the wall behind you.
Chris Penick: Yeah, there you go. when you get the Or we get one of the YouTube.
Chris Minnick: Yes.
Chris Penick: woo We get one of those, right?
Chris Minnick: That's what I'm talking about. Yeah.
Chris Penick: Yeah. so the thing is, is that it what yeah why it matters to me is because it's it's it's i see so many people waste time, money, and effort, but I also see so many people with no confidence with the idea, i don't believe that...
Chris Penick: anybody is incapable of learning things. I mean, okay, we can talk about mental health or mental capacity.
Chris Penick: Sure. But that doesn't mean you can't learn. All right. You know, a so go ahead.
Chris Minnick: Well, so that, I mean, the confidence thing, i think it comes from the more things you learn, the more ability you have to learn things.
Chris Penick: Yeah.
Chris Minnick: And so I've got this kind of idea kicking around in my head for this podcast, and maybe this is something we can do, ah that maybe what we do, you and I, Mr. Penixer, is maybe one time a month we come on this show and the whole episode is each of us proposes some crazy thing for the other person to learn.
Chris Minnick: And then that we call it the, the the the what's the name show again? The moving towards better education.
Chris Penick: What's the name of the show?
Chris Minnick: podcast challenge and we come on here and we give each other the task and that's it we close it down we don't talk very much at all in that episode but then a month later we come back and like you know I certainly I suddenly can like hula hoop or like hula dance
Chris Penick: Yeah.
Chris Penick: Okay. All right.
Chris Penick: All right. who like Who the dance? Oh, there you go.
Chris Minnick: or you know
Chris Penick: Well, that has to tell a story from what I understand. So anyway, but.
Chris Minnick: Or walk on hot coals or something.
Chris Penick: look Well, okay. All right. Well, there has to be some ground rules though, too. We'll come up with some of those be between now and then because walking on hot coals, I don't know. I see the potential for blisters and, you know, I don't know about that.
Chris Penick: So, um but we'll, we'll come up. All right. I like this. I like this idea. All right. So we'll come up with some framework around it and we'll make it. So it won't mean that that's the only thing that happens, but I like this.
Chris Minnick: No.
Chris Penick: I like this that we'll have other episodes in between.
Chris Minnick: no
Chris Penick: Okay. All right.
Chris Minnick: with guests with guests and puppet shows.
Chris Penick: With guests and with, and i've I've got guests already lined up and we've got, yeah, and we've got, um you know, and maybe ah hopefully our own listeners and and followers coming on and talking about followers.
Chris Minnick: Yeah.
Chris Penick: Wow. our artist Our one fan. There you go. who Whoever you are, make sure you, you you that one fan out there, you know, click like and follow.
Chris Minnick: Like subscribe, follow,
Chris Penick: Subscribe, like, subscribe. We can't afford arrows, you know, so I just point some somewhere on there anyway.
Chris Minnick: share
Chris Minnick: Yes.
Chris Penick: oh
Chris Minnick: And we'll be we'll be shouting out the names of our sponsors and putting in commercials. um We have no sponsors, but, you know.
Chris Penick: We have no sponsors. If you want to sponsor us, you can do that too. Feel free. If you want to send us, you know, money for coffee, we're both big coffee drinkers. That's always helpful too.
Chris Minnick: Yeah.
Chris Penick: There you go. But all right. Well, so, and one of the things then that I want to address in a future episode, we don't have to get to it now. And that is, so if learning styles aren't really the thing,
Chris Penick: you know, it's what we should talk about and what I want this podcast to be about is, well, then what does work? yeah what are things that do work for most people?
Chris Penick: And of course, you know, so the, the idea is what I think people need to learn to do. and and, and so there's a great, great book that you've probably heard this learning how to learn.
Chris Penick: Have you seen this book?
Chris Minnick: No.
Chris Penick: Uh, learning how to learn and it's, uh, where do I have, hold on. I was going to grab, uh, her, her name again, Barbara.
Chris Minnick: while you're doing that, you were you were telling me earlier that the key to learning is what, deprivation and pain?
Chris Penick: Yeah, go ahead.
Chris Penick: There it is.
Chris Penick: Oh, yeah. um Oh, you mean yeah from our dear friend Aristotle? Okay.
Chris Minnick: Yes.
Chris Penick: So, all right. All right. All right. I'll i'll get i'll give you that. So, okay. um Yes. Okay. So from our dear friend Aristotle, of course. he you know for the thing So Aristotle's got a bunch of them, though.
Chris Penick: um you know Aristotle's got, let's see... um Hold on. I'm trying to see if I can remember. Educating the mind without educating the heart is no is no education at all.
Chris Penick: that's That's one of the good ones. um And what was the other one he had? I know youre you had it. Now i'm looking through my list of quotes again. There you go.
Chris Minnick: That one's totally not biologically correct.
Chris Penick: Oh, it was totally not biologically correct. i have it in here somewhere.
Chris Minnick: Yep.
Chris Penick: i have a list of now I'm going through again. There you go. But anyway, I still like life is trying things to see if they work. That's Ray Bradbury. And I think, you know, come on.
Chris Minnick: Mm-hmm.
Chris Penick: So that's it. So this is what we're looking at here. And for the book, by the way, it's Learning How to Learn. And it's Barbara Oakley. The name finally came to me.
Chris Penick: um So if you look for it, i'll I'll put a link in there. I'll make sure we have a link in there.
Chris Minnick: Yeah, totally.
Chris Penick: um Huh. Now I'm going... Oh, for the things we have to learn before we can do them, we learn by doing them. Is that the biologically incorrect one that you think?
Chris Penick: So that's the other Aristotle.
Chris Minnick: Oh, no, you said like, you know learning with your head and learning with your heart. And, you know, it's just that idea that you're, you know, you have a brain in your heart or something, you know, it's just.
Chris Penick: Yeah.
Chris Penick: Yeah. Well, and well, hey, there you go. And if you want a more modern one, I wrote this one down a long time ago here because I cut this on.
Chris Minnick: Yeah.
Chris Penick: So what love love him or hate him, Mark Cuban actually had a pretty good thing, too. He said life's an open book test. Right. So learning how to learn is your most valuable skill in the online world.
Chris Minnick: Mm hmm.
Chris Minnick: That's a good one.
Chris Penick: I would even take the online away.
Chris Minnick: Yeah.
Chris Penick: I would say just learning how to learn is your most valuable skill in the world.
Chris Minnick: yeah Yeah. Yeah.
Chris Penick: You know, so we're going to talk about that. if Check it out. look at Look up Barbara Oakley. And I believe it's Oakley E-Y. Yeah, O-A-K-L-E-Y.
Chris Penick: It'll be in the link. We'll give links on here.
Chris Minnick: Cool. Yeah.
Chris Penick: And she's, you very helpful there. And so, you know, we'll talk about this. We'll talk about ways to learn and talk about what we can do, you know, to make our lives better.
Chris Penick: worthwhile and more interesting. And yeah, so some of the things it doesn't have to be given, tell us, there you go. That's the one question I would like to leave with everybody here.
Chris Minnick: All right, let's do it.
Chris Penick: Tell us something that you've always wanted to learn anything, anything.
Chris Minnick: I like it.
Chris Penick: All right. You know, we'll, we'll have to filter out the adult things or something like that, but okay.
Chris Minnick: I will take this a step further where if you don't know what you want to learn, tell us that and we will tell you what to learn.
Chris Penick: Ooh. Ooh. There you go. I like that.
Chris Minnick: Yes.
Chris Penick: We will will will include you in the learning challenges. How's that? And you can definitely do it.
Chris Minnick: Ha ha ha ha ha.
Chris Penick: I like that. Okay. So, all right. So one of the things then, all right. Well, Mr. Minick, AKA C-Money, do you have any other things that they should be looking out for?
Chris Penick: Since we're, you know, we're just starting, we might as well, you know, recommend some other biggies out there. Yeah, let's say...
Chris Minnick: Uh, well, I mean, one thing that I've always kind of been really interested in because i you know, kind of have a ah weird schedule and whatnot is, uh, trying to figure out ways to learn while I sleep.
Chris Minnick: And so lately i have been, ah like while I sleep, I put on this, um, YouTube channel called boring history for sleep.
Chris Penick: Okay.
Chris Penick: This sounds like a sitcom episode somewhere.
Chris Minnick: And,
Chris Minnick: it's it it's It's great. I don't know. i mean, it's probably ei generated. it's one of those things where is the writing bad or is it AI?
Chris Penick: Yes and yes.
Chris Minnick: But it's this guy with a very pleasant accent who just goes on for about four hours talking usually about medieval Europe history. Yeah.
Chris Penick: Okay.
Chris Minnick: Uh, and so like, what was life like in medieval Europe? And like, he'll talk about everything and, but there's so many episodes and the guy like writes a new episode every night or, you know, and yeah, it's amazing.
Chris Penick: Okay, sounds like the sounds like, was it in Ferris Bueller, the the the teacher, you know, Bueller, Bueller.
Chris Minnick: Yeah. It's great.
Chris Penick: Just is that that kind of tone, that nice monotone?
Chris Minnick: Cause
Chris Penick: okay Okay, so wait, this might be the antithesis of our whole approach across this podcast, though.
Chris Minnick: yeah.
Chris Penick: Have you retained anything from that?
Chris Minnick: I really have. ah Because what happens is like he just goes on and on and on for like four hours and then a new episode starts.
Chris Penick: Really? Okay, okay.
Chris Minnick: And, you know, you drift in and out of sleep through the night. And so I'll wake up and realize I'm having a dream about like the Black Plague or something or how I'm very sick or how like my neighbors are really dirty or something.
Chris Penick: Because that's pleasant. Yeah.
Chris Minnick: And I wake up and I'll hear him talking about like, oh, you know, and then this is what it was like to be a prostitute in, you know, England in, yeah.
Chris Penick: In medieval Europe.
Chris Minnick: Yeah.
Chris Penick: Okay.
Chris Minnick: And, you know, and I'll just hear some of that and then I'll fall back asleep and then, you know, wake up and it'll be, yeah.
Chris Penick: Well, okay. Okay.
Chris Minnick: So that's kind of, that's like my, yeah, it's great.
Chris Penick: All right. Very nice to know it's working for you. Okay. That's good. I like that. Well, that's not a bad recommendation. It's funny.
Chris Minnick: Yeah.
Chris Penick: Cause in the eighties, I remember that there was a big popularity of learn while you sleep tapes.
Chris Minnick: Yep.
Chris Penick: That was the thing you put it in the cassette tape and there's been in and I, and I'm not kidding that it, it make a great sitcom episode because it's been in like probably every, you know, I think friends, friends has a learn while you sleep episode.
Chris Minnick: Yep. Yep.
Chris Penick: Everybody's got an episode like that.
Chris Minnick: I, I tried to learn Portuguese that way.
Chris Penick: So I'm,
Chris Minnick: It didn't work. Yeah.
Chris Penick: No, no. See, so again, it might be the subject doesn't work with that mode, you know?
Chris Minnick: Yeah.
Chris Penick: So again, learning styles and and learning modes.
Chris Minnick: Yeah.
Chris Penick: Hmm. All right. All right. I'm not going to go through like 71 different modes, like the one study I was telling you about, but I do think we can, you know, look at, okay, this is a visual way to learn. If you think you're a visual person, great.
Chris Penick: Here's one way to do it. um You know, there you go. But this does now, add you mentioned challenges this does now give me some fuel for later challenges
Chris Minnick: ah All right.
Chris Penick: oh oh oh i have an idea and i don't want to bring it up oh i'm excited okay yes we should end with that and folks i promise we will be interesting and responsive and you know let us know what do you want to learn
Chris Minnick: Awesome.
Chris Minnick: He's excited. ah We should end it with that. Yes. Okay.
Chris Penick: Or what have you, or if you don't know, we'll give you something good to learn.
Chris Minnick: Yeah.
Chris Penick: We'll find things.
Chris Minnick: Absolutely. And stay tuned for our next episode coming soon to a podcasting place near you.
Chris Minnick: Peas and carrots.
Chris Penick: if like Peas and carrots, carrots and peas, carrots and peas.
Chris Minnick: Peas and carrots, carrots, peas. Yeah.
Chris Penick: podcasting place near you. I love it. There you go.
Chris Minnick: Yep.
Chris Penick: all right.
Chris Minnick: Yep.
Chris Penick: That was pretty good. That was, you know,
