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Episode 020 - Popcorn and Apple Sauce
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In this episode we catch up with movie news, upcoming films and start our discussion around bromance.
CREDITS:
Intro clip from James Gunn's "The Suicide Squad" (1966) from Warner Bros. Pictures, DC Films, Atlas Entertainment, The Safran Company, distributed by Warner Bros. Pictures
Opening music: https://pixabay.com/music/id-116199/
Closing music: https://pixabay.com/music/id-11176/
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Introduction and Podcast Overview
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Tuosians. Tuosians will begin. Yo, is this a dog? What? Is this thing a dog?
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A dog? Yes. What? What kind of dog are you thinking of his mate? I don't know. I'm not familiar with all the breeds. I'm gonna go with Afghan hound. Is this where it is in Afghan air, everybody thumbs? Oh my god, is it a werewolf? I wanted to meet a werewolf forever. Yo, they sent me to a werewolf? That's not right. Yo, let me out. I do not. I'm a werewolf. He's not a werewolf, okay? He's a weasel. He's harmless. I mean, he's not harmless. He's killed 27 children, but, you know, we got him to, I think,
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He's agreed to do this. Whatever the case, does everyone get into position to drop him?
Technical Recap and Cinematic Trends
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Welcome to the Two Oceans Podcast, where myself, Sue Fire, along with my friend and whimsical colleague, Scrumpy, discuss film and other media through decades-long lines of mass media consumption. In this episode, we catch up with movie news, upcoming films, and start our discussion around bromance films. This is the Two Oceans Podcast. So brace yourself, run at the cliff, and jump into the river as we begin Episode 20.
00:01:32
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Right, episode 20. So, yeah, it's been a few weeks. We've had some technical issues and lives out there. And lives.
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Yay, us. So, yeah, we'll go over to the movie news, trailers, new movies we've watched, and then we're getting into the bromance, which I think is your area specialty because you've been attending a class? Yes, I've been attending a seminar. A seminar, right. Okay. Getting your doctorate. That's right. And bromance.
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Oh, dear. Great. Okay. Movie news.
Guillermo Del Toro's Mythological Project
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So the big one for me this week was the announcement that Guillermo Dottoro is going to be working on the Berry Giant.
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which is from a book by Kazuo Ishiguro. And it takes place in this mythological fifth century version of Britain, where there are goblins, ogres, dragons, and all of that. And this couple are going on this journey to find their son that they've not seen for several years.
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That's all I know about it, but knowing that, you know, Del Toro is connected to that sounds great. Warner Brothers planning on making a new Lord of the Rings series of movies.
Debate on New Lord of the Rings Movies
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Yeah.
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I don't think we need it. Nope. And yeah. And and and one bit of big news this week. And I saw you you'd mentioned anecdote around this one was Raquel Welch has passed away this week.
Raquel Welch's Trade Show Anecdote
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Yes. You mentioned clinging to the side of her car a few blocks in New York or something. We were. Yeah, we were a trade show in New York. We're stumbling around and we come across
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a stage back door, all these people around it and I'm like, I'm like, oh, what's going on? And they're like, oh, you know, Raquel Welch is doing a play. I forget which play she was doing. Right. But they were coming out of the doors. Everybody was there to see Raquel Welch and she was in the play with the guy that played Sheriff Truman.
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Oh, right. Okay. So he came out first and everybody's like, Oh, and I go, whoa, of course. I'm not kind of trash by that point. And he kind of looks up confused and kind of waves like, hi, like some, okay. I don't, I don't know why, but okay. I'm like, dude, do I know you? Oh no. An illegitimate child I didn't know about. Yeah, exactly.
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Then but then yeah, she came out and we were just because of the press of people we were Her limo was between us Between her and us we were just on that side and so she got in sort of take out so I grabbed onto the side of it and ran and
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kind of ran holding onto the side of the thing, say, take me with you. I thought my dad would be very proud if I managed to bang Raquel Welch. You know, the woman from Fantastic Voyage, you know, 1 million years BC. Um, so, uh, yeah, I made it down, you know, about half of the New York block, I was impressed for the state I was in and you know,
00:05:21
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Yeah. Okay. You've, you've represented as well. Okay. Exactly. Um, other bits of movie news, I've just got little tiny pieces here.
Lady Gaga in Joker 2: Expectations vs. Concerns
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So, um, we got our first look at Lady Gaga in Joker two have to say, looks pretty good, but I am a little bit worried because
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I don't know your thoughts on the first Joker movie. I thought it was really well acted, but I'm not a fan of the director. I think the director... The director's a weird choice for one. For two, you don't
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need an origin story for the Joker. It's my basic, it's my whole premise thing. It's like not everything needs an origin, and an origin story that's so stupid. I was really, that's what really, the story really annoyed me. I thought, again, I thought it was well acted, well produced, you know.
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uh, uh, overall, it's not a bad movie. I'm not saying
Joker's Origin Story Necessity
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that, but I'm just saying like, why? And you know, you, it always, there was that air of mystery. So yeah, the, the, uh, so the Joker movie. Yeah. I didn't feel it was necessary. Uh, the mystery of the Joker was always part of his appeal. Uh, it would always just made sense that he was just, uh, again, the, uh,
00:06:37
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Immovable object and the unstoppable force colliding. That's what they're supposed to be Right, you know, he's supposed to be just the antithesis of Batman So it's also what made it more interesting than Batman in some ways because no exactly this full backstory, right? Yeah, and the way he appears for example in no Nolan's Dark Knight is
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that he just kind of takes them all by surprise, but he's just this. He's so much stronger because he's so much more psychotic than the rest of them. And this whole thing, I'm like a dog with a car. I don't know what I would do if I caught it.
00:07:12
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Yeah. That's the perfect, that's the perfect, that's all the backstory of the Joker you need. Yeah. And, and, and, you know, his motivation, he doesn't really have a goal. Um, and he says it's just chaos. Yeah. Yeah. It's just chaos. Um, it's chaos. So, so what I'm a little bit nervous about in terms of, of, of, of, okay, lady Gaga as, um, Harley Quinn. Okay. Fantastic. Okay. That's, that's fine. Um, but I think it's a little bit weird, um, because having.
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the Joker because as Harley Quinn comes into play in terms of the original story when Batman's around, right? And I'm assuming Joker too is not bringing the Batman into play yet because he's going to be incarcerated like at the end of the last movie and you're going to bring her in. It's just weird. It just seems a little bit strange. It does. Although it makes sense if you're telling a Joker story.
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I suppose. I mean, I did enjoy the king of comedy bit. I did think that was quite nice. Yes. I thought it was very appropriate with De Niro being there and that thing too. Yes. Yeah. Agreed. Yeah. Although, you know, my favorite thing was the read. I think it was Patton Oswalt that gave it that it was like his idea was that the Joker had been military intelligence, had been psyops.
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And I'm like, oh, that's so much better. Right. Like, that's how he can manipulate everybody. Well, between that and then I've been watching the DC's, the Harley Quinn, the Kaley Cuaco produced. Oh, that's beautifully chaotic, isn't it? Which is beautifully, but it's also very grounded, very centered. They get to pull in every character they want, even the most ridiculous, and they have a ball with it. But the characters are so well-related, the whole thing is about her becoming herself.
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her gaining her own identity, you know, independent of the Joker, this sort of thing, you know, because she's always linked. And I think she's always linked to it. And, you know, up to this point in the movies, they've done a better job with Margot Roby's version of her to this like, she's free. Well, the last Joker should be called. Yeah, exactly. And I thought that was a pretty good movie, to be honest, for what I did, too. I thought that was far superior than the Joker.
00:09:27
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Totally. I agree. I agree completely, completely with you there. Cool. So all that said, I'll probably end up watching it because I'll be curious what they do with it, where they go with it, because the, you know, the character was introduced. It was,
Splash Remake and Nostalgia
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was it Tim Sale that brought her in on the animated series? That's where she originated. I mean, I take a look at it as almost DC's version of What If.
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Right. Yeah, exactly. It's complete. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Which is fair. You know, it's like, you can have multiple versions of these characters running around in the world and it's fine.
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And another one that we got in the news, and this one gets me, I'm sure that there are valid reasons to be doing this, but for me, this is one of those films in childhood that meant a lot, and that's Splash, they're making a remake of. Really? They are, yeah.
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It probably is due to the remake to be honest, but, um, I mean, John Candy and, you know, the whole thing just came together for me and, uh, I like mermaids. There you go. Let's get to the harder. There you go.
00:10:44
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Yeah, it's funny. It's a movie I don't think of until I'm like, oh yeah, that was a movie they made. Kind of like it doesn't stick. It doesn't stick the way it does with the, you know, like it does for you. It's just, I don't know why. It just didn't, I'm like, okay, it's fine. Oh no, I get you as well. It's one of those movies that I'll forget about, but I think it's one of the earliest movies where I remember laughing out loud in the cinema at points. And yeah, yeah.
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Yeah. And the other bit of news and it's not really, it's news about news that's upcoming is that they're going to be announcing a new Star Wars movie on the upcoming Star Wars celebration or whatever it is. I'm guessing it's going to be Taika Waititi's stuff. I'm not sure. But yeah, TBC.
Speculation on New Star Wars Film
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And by the way, did you see the Pedro Pascal on Saturday Night Live at all?
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Yes. Well, I watched his version of the Super Mario Kart. That was very good. Yeah. Well, speaking of that, yeah. Let's- That and The Last of Us. And The Last of Us, yeah. Keeping up with that great show. That is a terrific show, but should we go to the trailers first?
The Flash Trailer: Cameos and Concerns
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Oh, sure. Why bother transitions?
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It was such a nice transition. I'm just trying to keep it consistent. We'll find a way to bring it back. We're middle aged men. We can do anything. Trailers, we got a lot because we didn't hit them all last time. But a few weeks and we've had the Super Bowl. I think the big one at the top of the list in terms of visibility and cultural impact and all that, the flash came out. The flashpoint story, yes.
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Yes, yes. Well, is the movie called The Flash? I think it's just called The Flash. Yeah, it's just called The Flash. And I think the thing about it is most of the feedback that I've seen is like, oh, it was great to see Michael Keaton and all these other people in it, but not many people are very excited about seeing Ezra Miller.
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Yeah, it's a troubling thing. It's like, what was the one I saw? It's like, the trailer's good enough to make you forget that he kidnapped people. They got to print that on the posters. I know. I think that might be a selling point.
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Uh, but you know, this is the first one coming out under guns regime, uh, as well. And he's all on board for it, but you know, that could be because it's the first one and it was mostly done before he came on. Who knows, you know, right? Yeah. Um, but I mean, that said, have the opportunity to edit it. Exactly. If he had anything, right. And that said, you know,
00:13:41
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the trailer did look good. Yeah. No, it did. It did. And independent of the cameos or the alternate timeline stuff, the Flashpoint storyline is a really good storyline. They did it on the TV show. Yep. Kind of muddled it a bit, but... Grant Gustin from the TV show is in the new movie as well. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Which is good news that they're tying those together just because like, yeah, just have fun with it.
00:14:07
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Yeah, Michael Shannon back, obviously the big one being Michael Keaton as Batman, which being a... Right, it looks like a modern version of that Batman. Correct. What I wanted Burton's Batman originally to be.
00:14:25
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Well, I remember we were both pretty disappointed in the first Burton's Batman because he kills, right? Yeah. Aside from some of the other stuff that Burton didn't get right.
00:14:39
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Yeah, there's some iconography in it. A lot of people just love it. They're like, oh, it's the best one or Batman Returns is the best one. I'm like, yeah, no, Batman Returns is better than Batman. Absolutely. But it is because it's just crazy. It's so but it's in that same crazy fun. Kind of crazy, but it was crazy and it sort of embraced the darkness did returns in a way that when when it ended, I mean, it did.
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fabulously well over here. Like it had such a great response. And when it got to the end, you know, you had sort of Catwoman set up and the Batman thing going on. Everybody was primed for the continuation of that story. And we never got it. Nope. Really frustrating. Right. What else do you have? The Flash. So for me, big on the list because I finally, oh, thanks to Covid, sat down and we marathon the entire series.
Fast & Furious Marathon Insights
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all what 10 but this one is 10 but uh uh the fast and furious fast x ooh really yeah oh wow yeah that's we watch we even watched uh hubs and shaw we threw that in as well because it's the spin-off
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Well, it's going to finish soon, that series, because I think there's one more coming out. I've not seen one of that series. So, yeah, if I'm going to catch up, I'm going to have to do the same, but I'm not looking... I mean, I don't know. What did you think? You know, it's better than you think it's going to be. It's not great.
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And some of the stuff's just like, okay. And then trying to think back, but I can think back and keep them straight. Like, oh yeah, the third one's where this happens and the fourth one's where this happens. Fifth one is where this happens. If somehow my brain is able to keep them all straight, even though it's pretty much the same formula, it's just who, which other action star.
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is introduced and with the death of the main character, it all shifted to then being the Vin Diesel vehicle more so than the Paul Walker.
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And they do a good job of including him and then, uh, moving them along, uh, as well. So yeah, but it's, uh, uh, uh, uh, the Hobbs and Shaw one is not good. It's so it's a few duds in there. Uh, it's the spinoff and you know, it's Jason Statham and the rocks character, right? Having a thing, having their spin out. And because, you know, notoriously that Dwayne Johnson and Vin Diesel did not like each other.
00:17:22
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And that's why The Rock is not in these anymore. So I see. I see. But you know what? They are just fantastic, stupid fun, and they know they're stupid fun. And I think the big part of that is because the third one, the Tokyo Drift, that was Justin Lin, came in on these movies and started doing them. And if anybody gets stupid fun, almost note perfect, it's that guy. He makes no bones about it. He does not.
00:17:51
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I, that's why I enjoy watching his movies. They like, he knows what he's doing and he doesn't try to do more. He just tries to make them better. But he's like, I'm not, I'm not creating Citizen Kane here. I'm having a ball. So it's like, yeah, they're going to drive a car off the Burj Kalisha into another building. Sure. You know, it's, it's a joy of, it's a joy of, if you, if you, if you don't know anything about physics, it's the joy of watching them just openly mock.
00:18:21
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Yeah. Physical laws, which for me is just like, it's a kind of refreshing like, yeah, screw it. It's a movie. I mean, I think the equivalent, and I'm going to mention something I've seen this week that was kind of stupid fun as well, but it kind of reminds me of, you know, those Smokey and the Bandit cannonball run types equivalent that we had when we were kids. They're not great movies, but they're entertaining kind of things.
00:18:46
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Um, and this week I saw Thor leaven thunder and what it reminded me of were those wacky, you know, movies, those technical movies that we would get when we were kids of things like
Thor: Love and Thunder Review
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Dr. Doolittle or around the world in 80 days, those really bright, colorful,
00:19:06
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Kind of made for kids but enjoyable for adults kind of thing because that's what Thor love and thunder kind of felt like to me Yeah, and it definitely had that sort of Taika Waititi, you know spin on it. But yeah, I thought it was all right I didn't think it was great. But you know, I thought it was fun for the time that it was on and it didn't Overstay its welcome, you know, it wasn't like and two and a half three-hour kind of exactly and that was one of the best
00:19:34
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informed villains, I think they've had in that cinematic world. I mean, Bale just nails that, of course, right? He's one of the few villains that I will remember going forward. You get it. Thanos, you're like, okay, but he's like, no, screw you guys, you're wrong.
00:19:57
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And you're kind of like, yeah, he's kind of right. Well, you get it. Yeah. That whole first scene when his daughter dies. And that is like a gutting scene because as they don't they don't do it off camera, like she dies on camera. And then you have this arrogant God. Right. And you're totally on the side with him at that rate. Exactly. Cool.
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Another trailer that I saw this week. I'm not saying these are all good. I'm just trying to be thorough. The Pope's Exorcist with Russell Crowe, which kind of looked like fun. It felt a bit like they were showing too much like a movie like that. I would
00:20:37
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All you need to tell me is, okay, you've got an exorcist, you just give as much little information as possible, hint at it, and then show no more, right? Because maybe, you know, if it is a good movie, you know, I feel that that trailer probably showed too much.
00:20:58
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Exactly. Agreed. I won't be seeing that in the theater. I'll be waiting. I will as well. I don't think unless I get a free ticket for whatever reason, yeah, I think that one can wait the two days before it goes on to streaming. What else do you got on your list for your Super Bowl trailers? Creed III.
00:21:23
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A lot of good, uh, series, uh, at least the first one, I still have yet to watch the second Creed movie. Yeah. The advanced word of mouth in this one is that it's, it's, it's, uh, it's one of the best in the Rocky series. Exactly. And it's the Jonathan majors as well. Yeah. The trailer really sells it, doesn't it? You know? Yeah. He just seems like right on the, right on the money.
00:21:53
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Yeah, actually, speaking of Jonathan Majors, we were talking about Ant-Man Quantum Mania the other week and our expectations for it. And it seems, you know, that has not been getting good word of mouth. Though Jonathan Majors has, like, in the context of the only good thing about this movie is Jonathan Majors. I saw a really odd trailer this week called Smoking Causes Coughing.
00:22:21
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I saw that title. Did you? It's a French movie about this superhero gang that are kind of like kung fu fight aliens kind of thing, you know, similar to those, what do you call it?
00:22:40
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Oh, what was it called? Anyhow, they fight, fight aliens, protect the earth, kung fu kind of thing. And they decide that they need to take, take a week off for team building before they go back, back, back to back to fighting the bad guys. But it looks, it looks ridiculous. It's got an endorsement from John Waters saying it's the best movie of last year. But it looks completely ridiculous, crazy, stupid fun.
00:23:11
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Yeah, I'm gonna check that one out. The other Super Bowl trailer I had was the Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3, which looks like, you know, it's James, it's Gunn's last Marvel
00:23:25
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entry and he knows this is his baby and he's going to sign it off and give it the attention it deserves. It looks like he's just, yeah, it looks like he's actually shooting this, which will be nice to see in the Marvel world where they actually end a storyline, like actually, I mean, not that it's the very end, not that no one else can ever touch it, but they're taking us, say, yeah, this is what we did. This is what we're doing it for and now we're done with it.
00:23:47
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Yeah, yeah, that would be nice. So, and it looks great.
Christoph Waltz in New Thriller Series
00:23:53
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Yeah, it's very signature gun kind of stuff, which I enjoy. And then the humor, the humor is important. Exactly. That, I mean, yeah, you got the poignancy in the trailer, you got the humor. Yeah, you got,
00:24:08
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everything that you need. So yeah, big hopes on that. Did you see the trailer too? And I know this isn't a movie trailer. It's for a TV series with Christoph Waltz, the consultant. And he is basically, there's this tech company and their CEO disappears one day and Christoph Waltz turns up and kind of takes over.
00:24:36
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but he's kind of psychotic and people aren't quite sure where he's from and they're trying to sort of dig into his background and things. And he's being very cutthroat and sort of firing people because he doesn't like how they smell. And he makes an announcement on the first day that, okay, anyone who's working remotely today, you've got an hour to get into the office. Otherwise you're fired kind of stuff.
00:25:00
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But it looks like a tense kind of thriller thing and Christoph Waltz is always watchable. So yeah, hoping that's not going to be a shit show, but we'll see. Right. The other new trailer I saw this week was for Sisu.
00:25:21
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Oh, remind me which one that is. Finnish movie. World War II Nazis are, you know, invaded. There's a guy and they mess with the wrong guy who turns out to have been a Finnish commando. And so it's basically him killing Nazis. It's from the guys, the producers of John Wick. Oh, that sounds like fun. A series. Oh, you went offline again. Oh, miss that one. Why didn't I miss that one? Stupid algorithm. Don't you know what I want to watch?
00:25:49
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There we go. Hello. Cool. Oh, did I disappear for a second? You did. Oh, okay. I was just going to say, Hey, yeah, no, I haven't heard that one. So yes, it's, it's from the John with folks. So it's basically that same idea.
Excitement for Finnish Commando Film 'Sisu'
00:26:03
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Someone you don't know their capabilities. They mess with the wrong one. And then he goes crazy. Oh, dad, Lucy again. Dang it. Fuck's sake. Are you there? Are you there?
00:26:20
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Are you there? Are you there? Are you there? Hello? Okay. I'm going to start the recording again. I was basically saying, I don't know what's going on with the, um, algorithm that suggests videos to be, but not suggesting that is annoying. Right. That seems odd, right? Yeah. Yeah. Instead I'm getting, uh, we have a ghost with David Harbor. Why, why do you do this to me?
00:26:49
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And are you recording then? Yeah, we're recording. Okay. Because it's the guy who played the dad in Rare Exports, which is one of my favorite holiday movies. And yeah, he's so yeah, Swedish, Finnish commando. They mess with the wrong guy. So he just runs around. So instead of instead of John Wick killing Russians, it's
00:27:11
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uh, a Finnish guy killing, uh, Nazis. Uh, very nice, which was like, sure. Yeah. Done. Take my money. It's, it's, it's, it's one of the best things about Indiana Jones. And he never seemed to kill quite enough Nazis for me. So exactly.
00:27:27
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That'll scratch the itch. The only other trailer I think it's worth mentioning is I saw one called Swarm. And again, I think this might be a television series on Amazon Prime or a movie. I'm not I'm not sure. And Swarm is kind of referring to these these are groups of fans and there's a psychotic fan that becomes obsessed with the singer.
00:27:51
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but it looks pretty interesting. Swarm on Amazon Prime. Swarm. Swarm. Swarm.
Anticipation for Evil Dead Rise
00:28:01
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And what we watched this week, and now I think probably top of that list is... Sorry, the only other one I would add, which I can't remember how far back it was now, but it's the Evil Dead Rise.
00:28:15
Speaker
Yes, yes. The sequel to the Evil Dead remake, which looks somehow even more depraved and insane and wonderful than that remake. It looks fantastic. So just calling that one out too. That's new coming this year.
00:28:28
Speaker
I think we did touch on it in one of the earlier weeks. I think we did, but yeah, just want to be sure. But yeah, that's one worth repeating because, yeah, that looks fantastic. Completely agree on that one. It looks demented. Yes. Delightfully demented.
00:28:48
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Right.
The Last of Us TV Series Acclaim
00:28:49
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And into what we watched this week, and I think we already hinted at probably one of the big watches has been the Last of Us television series. Yes. Yes. Keeping up with that, which is. Yeah. And did you play the game? I did. I did. In fact, I read playing the game as I watched the episodes. Oh, very nice. I will say they have paid attention to detail.
00:29:17
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crazy because it was like a little background elements and wallpaper and decoration and camera angles are completely repeated at key moments, but not to the point of, of, you know, Snyder, Watchman kind of like, I will replicate these panels.
00:29:35
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It has that nice, you know, they've taken, they've expanded things without changing the tone or the message, right? And I think one of the big ones that I've heard people talking about is episode three. I don't want to spoil it, but basically in that story,
00:29:59
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Joel sees this other character who in the game completely rejected life. Right. Rejected his partner and all of this. And in the TV show, they did the exact opposite. Right. But the message was the same to show Joel. Kind of the error of his ways. Right. So but it works really, really well.
00:30:23
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Yeah, and yeah, it's different enough than in the author, Peter Pascal saving a special gifted child for, you know, taking them, accompanying them, saving them, whatever.
00:30:34
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from one place to another. This one is a lot more than that. It is. It is. And yeah, I didn't play the game. I started the game and then I got too frustrated by sneaking around. That's not my style. So I did not finish it. I. Well, this is the thing with the TV series. The first two episodes are kind of.
00:30:56
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I don't want to say, I mean, they're pretty much what you'd expect, but I do think the episodes, unlike something like The Walking Dead, each episode has its own character, its own arc that finishes in that episode, while also being a continuous story. So every episode's so unique. I've really been enjoying it. I think,
00:31:23
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the game kind of lends itself to that, how they've done it. And actually the dialogue as well, word for word, the amount of dialogue that they use from the game is mind blowing. And apparently the instructions to the actors in the show
The Goodbye Girl and Character Arcs
00:31:41
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was not to watch the game that they wanted to get their interpretations of, you know, dialogue and characters. And I think that's worked out really well. It's because the makers of the game have been involved in that. They're the ones driving the show. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:31:57
Speaker
And speaking of that show then, uh, uh, in the latest episode, it's not really a spoilers giveaway. They find a spot where they're, uh, someone's having a movie night and they, uh, and I'm watching the, as I'm watching the episode, it's like, yeah, I've never seen that movie, but I know what it is. I was like, Oh, it's the goodbye girl. Right. Cause I'm like, huh, why haven't I never seen that? So watch that this week. And, and great verdict.
00:32:25
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Oh, fantastic. It's great. It's one of Neil Simon's easily one of its best. And I could see why, and I can understand the parallels too, with why they put that in the show and what it speaks to the main characters, what they're going through and such too. It has oddly enough, some solid parallels and it's really well done.
00:32:47
Speaker
Oh, the series overall is just so well crafted. And I've seen some of the videos that kind of look back on how much detail there is to the point that you don't even notice. Like, you know the two brothers, the little brother is drawing the two of them as superheroes all the time. And the older brother at one point paints a mask on him to say, you know, you're a superhero, right? Yeah.
00:33:14
Speaker
The second he does that is he goes and looks out a window, but there's a bar over his eyes. Yeah. Just like the superhero in there. Not a wasted frame. It's just so good. It's so good. And it's one of those series because as I remember when The Walking Dead came out and, you know, I loved the post-apocalyptic throw zombies in even more so.
00:33:42
Speaker
And I was so disappointed with that series from year one. From year one. Oh, really? Yeah. Year one. You were hating it before hating it was cool, huh? I don't know. The tempo and I think part of it had to do with the way that they made television shows in that time where they said it must be, you know, 55 minutes or, you know, 60 minutes and you know, you have to use all that time, whereas now
00:34:11
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It's more flexible, right? Like sometimes an episode is 30 minutes. Sometimes it's 45. Sometimes it goes up to an hour, right? Whatever's needed. But back then, I think there was a need to have all that filler time in there. And it felt like it in those in that series. I mean, I think some of the casting is fantastic. Oh, my God. Yes. There were some characters when I was just they would do that thing. But again, yeah, it's not just the filler, but how they
00:34:35
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Lost did this first and foremost of anybody that pissed me off so much. Yeah. Where in order to push a storyline, to stretch a storyline further, characters will all of a sudden forget how to do something that they've known how to do the entire show. Right. All of a sudden, oh, they can't fight, or they can't do this, or they can't do that, or... Or they're afraid of this this week.
00:35:00
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Yeah, exactly. And I'm just like screaming at them like that is so effing lazy. Yeah. You can write yourself into those holes and you can write yourselves out. Come on. Come on. I mean, the frustrating thing was and I never got to see and and I've been watching a bunch of movies by Samantha Morton because every now and again, I get into like, okay, this actor is amazing. I'm just gonna watch everything that they've done.
00:35:26
Speaker
And I know that Samantha Morton came on as a character later in the series, by which point I had completely abandoned it. But I don't know if you'd seen that. I think she was kind of the bald character who comes in and she's charged all these zombies. I don't know what it was. I mean, I watched a clip from it just to see her. Oh, yeah, I wasn't watching by then. But then.
00:35:52
Speaker
The some of the cast that they had, aside from the main cast, were such terrible actors as well. Yes. Oh, God, yes. I just thought, oh, no, no. I remember when the cast was entirely solid on this show, but they're obviously cutting corners. But like I said, The Last of Us, I just felt like a single episode of The Last of Us did so much more than some entire seasons of Walking Dead.
The Walking Dead vs. The Last of Us
00:36:18
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So I don't know. How about the entire run of Walking Dead?
00:36:22
Speaker
Since I haven't watched the entire read, but I can have nor have I but I can tell you already. Fuck it. Yeah. But it is. Yeah. Yeah. What else do you watch this week? What else do they watch? I'm trying to figure out where I left off last time. So I saw.
00:36:45
Speaker
Where did I leave off? Yeah, so I did watch a series of movies from Samantha Morton.
Samantha Morton's Filmography Highlights
00:36:51
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And I think one of the films that I highlighted last year was The Quiet Girl, which is an amazing movie. I cannot imagine anyone not loving that movie.
00:37:02
Speaker
But in my watching the back catalog of Samantha Morton, I watched a movie that she made in 2009 and it's semi autobiographical because she came from care growing up.
00:37:18
Speaker
And it's very similar to The Quiet Girl, but it was made like, you know, 12, 13 years before. And it's got a lead. She's not in it. She just directs it. But it's such a good movie. It's such a good movie. And I don't know why it didn't get more attention because oh, I think this is what I read about it. They released it on television.
00:37:43
Speaker
uh first and then that sort of invalidated it being part of like a competition but it's it was cheated it was not not treated fairly that's a that's a that's a great movie and it sounds really heavy when you it's like it's about a girl that goes into care
00:37:59
Speaker
It's got Robert Carlyle in it as her dad, and I mean, it's just such a good movie. It's just really well put together, and with scenes that kind of reminded me of Jim Jarmusch's Dead Man, even. There's a bit where she's in a cemetery, and this deer, this overgrown cemetery, this deer kind of comes up to her, and it's just
00:38:19
Speaker
the morning light is just coming up over the horizon and this deer's there and they have this kind of moment between them. It just really blew my socks off, really good movie. And then I saw a few of her other movies as well, Under the Skin, Morvern Keller, which is the name of a character that she plays. And just a really kind of amazing character study.
00:38:48
Speaker
And then a few years later, Woody Allen went, hey, I discovered her and was like, no, she was already in movies, you know, because she she was in a movie with Sean Penn called Sweet and Low Down. And she was very good, Matt. And even Sean Penn was pretty good, Matt. And that's probably the last Woody Allen movie I'd seen, actually, because things started to get dicey after that. Yeah.
00:39:14
Speaker
And then in the cinema, I saw two new movies, one called Blue Jean.
Blue Jean Film Review
00:39:22
Speaker
And it's set during this time in the UK when these laws were- Did you just saw a film named Blue Jean? It's called Blue Jean, yeah. Yeah. And- Bum, bum, bum, bum. Exactly. Bum, bum, bum.
00:39:40
Speaker
But it's about this woman who is a gym teacher at this time and she's been recently divorced, she's lesbian, she's got a girlfriend, but she has to keep it secret because there are these laws coming in around restricting government money going to promoting gayness and all this other terrible stuff that you wouldn't even imagine happening now. No, not at all.
00:40:09
Speaker
Well, not certainly not in this country. Well, yeah. Oh, yeah. I know. And you're so lucky to live in such a liberal place. But it's a good movie. It's a good movie. I wouldn't say it does as anything daring, but it is kind of really interesting to look at. It's set in 1988, I think. And it's got a great kind of soundtrack and varies from reminiscent of that time. But it's quite interesting to see how
00:40:37
Speaker
how things have progressed, at least in some ways, you know, two steps forward, one step back kind of thing. And then I saw Sarah Polly's Women Talking last week.
Women Talking: Themes and Performances
00:40:49
Speaker
It's quite stagey. I mean, it's a good movie. So if for people who aren't aware of what the story is, it's based on this cult, I believe in Bolivia, that was like a Mennonite colony.
00:41:03
Speaker
And the men in that colony were using animal tranquilizer on the women. The women didn't know this, and they were being abused and raped in the night. And then when the women sort of said, you know, something's going on here or suspecting they'd be accused of being hysterical women, right?
00:41:23
Speaker
And by the way, this is established in the first two minutes. So that kind of sets the tone. And in fact, the trailer gives away too much, I think. I think because, again, all you need to say is that background that I gave you and the fact that the men in the town have to go bail out. It's set in America in this version.
00:41:47
Speaker
They have to go to the town and bail out these men that were caught. Right. And were charged. And so so all the men are going and they they're basically telling the women we're going to be back in two days, by which point, you know, you need to forgive these men when we bring them back or you'll be excommunicated. So the women all gather in a barn and they have a choice of either staying and fighting
00:42:12
Speaker
Staying and accepting the way things are. Yeah, right. Comply or leave. And the whole movie is women talking just about this discussion. Yeah. It's like 12 angry men, right?
00:42:28
Speaker
Um, and it, it, I mean, it's, it's got a great cast, Rooney Mara, Claire Foy, Jesse Buckley. Uh, Ben Whishaw is like the one man that's in the movie. Um, but he's, he left the colony previously, went to university, got educated and came back, uh, at some point, but he's not, he doesn't quite fit in with the rest.
00:42:52
Speaker
um he's quite an interesting character in it because as he gives it another sort of perspective on there but it's it's i mean it's good i i i was my my hopes were i was expecting so much more but i felt like i'd seen so much in the trailer that i think it kind of um
00:43:10
Speaker
Blunted it a little bit and like I said, all you need to say is you know that that's short that the premise Okay, the women have like these three choices They've got 48 hours to have these choices list out all the people that are in there Francis McDormand as well And and and you just list out all these these actors in it and and and just leave it at that Everybody's gonna want to know what are they gonna do? What are they gonna choose, you know? but instead they
00:43:37
Speaker
Glam it up in the trailer until too much so yeah, oh well Alright for me.
Infinity Pool: A Cronenberg Experience
00:43:45
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We had the intentionally fun double feature The other night we watched infinity pool
00:43:53
Speaker
The new Brandon Cronenberg. I've been wanting to watch that. Which is fantastic. And it is, basically it is Triangle of Sadness by Way of White Lotus. And does it right. We had shared our similar complaints with Triangle of Sadness. This one does stick the landing.
00:44:21
Speaker
Amazing. Cool. When you think it's, and you think it's about not to or something like that, it comes through for you. And it's also, uh, the shock value is there, but I think in a better, basically in the hands of a better filmmaker, better, better storyteller, which is funny. Cause he's what got what two movies, what possessor in this, which I thought possessor was excellent, uh, a little bit rough around some edges, but I thought it was excellent. Otherwise I'm going to have to watch both of these.
00:44:49
Speaker
I feel bad but i've not seen brennan kretenberg's because i don't know i want to kind of temper my my height because i'm so excited so my gosh another kretenberg you know. And to be honest it's it is it but he's different from his dad i think because he's got a visual style at the wazoo that isn't.
00:45:10
Speaker
purely there for visual style. It ties in to what's going on to help portray what somebody's going through or what the scene needs. Trailers do feel more grounded and less surreal. Right. But don't let that fool you. That's actually kind of the opposite.
00:45:28
Speaker
Yeah. Okay. Of what goes on. And so it's excellent, but it's, and Mia Goth, again, knocking it out of the park yet again, she dominates this movie. I mean, she's just, which, you know, she can't help but, I mean, she's just, she's just a force of nature. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:45:47
Speaker
Um, but everybody's good at scars, guards, great in it. You know, uh, everybody's great. And it's, you know, really the story is through his lens, but she's kind of his, uh, Sherpa to an extent. And, uh, but then not. And yeah, anyway, uh, you'll enjoy it. It's very well done as a double feature as well. So watch that first. And then I'm like, okay, something lighter on the other side with.
Mad Heidi: Crowdfunded Swiss Adventure
00:46:12
Speaker
movie called Mad Heidi. Oh, okay. I'm intrigued already. Which came out last year.
00:46:22
Speaker
low budget. They intentionally have a title card at the beginning saying, you know, basically no gods, no masters, no studios. We wanted to, it was crowdfunded, uh, uh, crowdsource movie set in Switzerland. Um, now in the past, it's really tough to tell. Um, but, uh, Casper van Dean of Starship Troopers fame is the fascist dictator that's taken over Switzerland and rules it with an iron fist and only demands that his cheese and his cheese alone be
00:46:52
Speaker
Made and anyone who's lactose intolerant is basically executed Okay, so that's the that's the oppressive and so Heidi being the the young gal trying to live her life and everything gets taken from her and She becomes the fighting force to the Joan of Arc to rally against and to fight her own way Fight on her own as well against the oppression in a
00:47:22
Speaker
very stylized, goofy, over the top.
00:47:27
Speaker
Dramatic way, I would, is it a good movie? Sure, it's good for what it sets out to do, which it does. It doesn't try to be more than it is. And there's some good gore in it, some good violence gore in it that's well done. I can see in the posters, they've got that blood spatter across the titles. The little girl from the Alps is back with a vengeance. Yes. Yes, it's, yeah.
00:47:56
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I would recommend watching it the way we did.
00:47:59
Speaker
Uh-huh. Which is watch something pretty heavy or dramatic or something first. Yeah. And then immediately follow up with dessert. Uh, because I think it works better that way. Uh, Caspar Van Di, you know, I gotta say he is, he's a, he's clearly just having a ball. Like he, it's like, he's the only name actor in the movie by any stretch of the imagination or, you know, of that term. And so he, he's just having a blast, like,
00:48:28
Speaker
You know, he's like kind of this half Arnold Schwarzenegger dialect accent that he's putting on. And it's even funny him doing that. You know, it just it works though. It's just it's ridiculous. It's fun. It's very similar in style or feel to the
00:48:48
Speaker
Oh, what were the Nazis on the Moon movies? Well, on the poster, he looks almost exactly the same as he did in Starship Troopers. He still does. Like in this movie, it's like the guy's not aging. It's weird. Another poster has, you just fucked with the wrong Heidi.
00:49:09
Speaker
Yes, I believe that's a line from the. Yeah, you know what, I think I'll I'll have to put some time aside to watch Infinity Pool in Mad Heidi because I, you know, it's it's a good oddly enough, it's it's an appropriate double feature. I don't see it's a good double feature, but it's an appropriate. I mean, maybe that's something we should do going forward is that it's kind of two oceans movie cocktails where we mix a couple of movies next to each other. Yeah.
00:49:40
Speaker
Wow. Stream it now on mad Heidi.com. Oh, well, there you go. So, uh, yeah, yeah, it's, uh, yeah, it is. It's, it's, it's just, it's ridiculous. It's fun. It's short.
00:49:53
Speaker
Well, that's the key thing, right? It's not overstaying your welcome, which is one of the reasons why I've not seen Terrifier 2 yet, because the running time is the one thing that has put me off. As much as I've really wanted to see that movie, I'm just not, you know, I'm not going to invest three hours in a weeknight.
00:50:18
Speaker
It's yeah. And a slasher for three hours. I'm not sure I might have to put it in 1.5 speed or something. Right? It's Yeah, it could have been. It could have been so much better at even an hour 45. I would have given them that for what they crammed in. If you tighten it in the whack out 45 minutes, that movie would have been so much better. Yeah, anyway. Yeah. But yeah, so there you go. Mad Heidi is the surprise.
00:50:47
Speaker
Jim, Infinity Pool, not surprised because it's excellent. Amazing. Cool. Great stuff. Yeah, I've not seen much else aside from what we just talked about. Saw the, yeah, Thor 11 Thunder, which was okay. And the stuff that I've already gone over, let me just double check that I've not missed anything out.
00:51:16
Speaker
Yeah, uh, yeah, that's, that's pretty much it. Cause we, I talked about smile last week, didn't I? Um, I think that was, uh, I say last week, the last time we spoke on the previous edition of two oceans podcast.
00:51:35
Speaker
Where would our heroes land next? We're going to have to have some kind of cliffhanger for the end of this season. You know what? I'm done with watching movies. Then a gunshot. Lights out. You pick the wrong Heidi. That's right.
00:52:03
Speaker
So, got any plans for what you're going to be watching in the next week?
Bromance Film Course Focus
00:52:09
Speaker
Well, the next, not particularly, the one thing that does wrap up is the bromance course. We'll close out. Well, we got about, oh my gosh, we've spent this entire episode doing a catch up. We really have. We could do a bonus partial episode.
00:52:32
Speaker
Yeah, sure. Well, yeah, I want to go in the bromance topic. I wouldn't let's kick off the bromance topic and then OK, we can continue it next week. We can we can even have a cliffhanger in the bromance. Sure. Then I'll then I'll be then I'll know everything because the course will run its duration. There we go. So I'm going to have to let you lead on this one because, yeah, I had a look online at, you know, lists of bromance movies. And I don't quite agree with
00:53:02
Speaker
the movies that are listed because I think some of the movies are just happened to be movies with two male leads in it. Two male leads, right. Right. And that's different. And that is not the same. Yeah, in my mind. Yeah. The and what that's what I appreciate about this course, too, is that and he kind of the guy doing because we're not discussing the movies. He's just kind of setting them up and they share some links in an email before the day of the day of before the screenings. And and then we go in and watch it and enjoy it.
00:53:31
Speaker
And maybe talk a little bit afterwards, but just informally but yeah calling it out. It's not where You know like a like a buddy cop movie road movie something like that where the characters grow to Love each other or right? Something like that. It's like no, it's got to already be established either in a previous film or obvious Previous history alluded to somehow in the movie
00:53:58
Speaker
Uh, so it's not, it's not a coming together. That's not bromance. Bromance is one that's already where you're already, uh, uh, basically you're already in love. You're already in relationship. Okay. This is good. This is good. This is defining it. Cause I, I wouldn't have been able to define it that much detail. So what would be examples of that? Uh, so good example, uh, is, um,
00:54:21
Speaker
And like the first movie we watched in this thing, I was getting a little into it, was Some Like It Hot, the William Weiler.
00:54:30
Speaker
You know, he calls it the Marilyn Monroe movie, but it's really the Tony Curtis, Jack Lemmon thing. And they are clearly, I mean, they don't do anything without each other. They can't exist without each other. They have to do things in measure with one another. And what their success or failure depends on each other. They're so intertwined. But they're not brothers. They're just friends. They're fellow musicians. But they just have become, they've forged this friendship.
00:54:56
Speaker
that, uh, is very natural. Um, uh, and, um, you know, you want to see how they explore it. I think it's one of those things we did talk about this movie a few episodes back where it has a very dark opening and their, their light lives are threatened, uh, between those two. And I suppose going to the bromance thing, they probably had a choice at one point to say, okay, you go east, I'll go west. We'll split up, you know,
00:55:26
Speaker
Yeah, they're looking for two people and it's never, and see, that's another bromance thing. It's never a, an option to split up. You have to stick together. This is your best friend, brother, soulmate, that's, you know, non-sexual or, you know, sort of thing. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, the other examples, um, uh, the, the two movies they made together of, uh, Robert Redford and Paul Newman. So Butch Cassie and Sunnett's Kid and The Sting, uh,
00:55:56
Speaker
They're which are both excellent, right? But it's excellent because of the rapport they have because they are clearly there's a lot of history between the two of them, right? But clearly they are not going to leave each other high and dry. There's no drama around. Oh, are they going to turn on their friends or anything like that? No, they're going to do this together. You know that. Yeah. Yeah. That's a done deal. It's just how they get there that you want to see, you know, see explored. So that's, you know, that's that's part of it.
00:56:22
Speaker
That's interesting. That's interesting. Yeah. So it starts looking at some of the things I like would have, and some of them, you know, they sometimes, you know, what I said, it's not them developing the bromance. It's, you know, that they haven't already is usually true, although there's some, especially in Asian cinema.
00:56:43
Speaker
where they kind of, they grow so much within that time that it becomes, it still hits the, you know, I'm thinking of RRR. And it's like this idea, this ideal, a goal, if you will, or not even a goal, really, it's just they're so fortunate to find each other. Yeah.
00:57:05
Speaker
and because of what they're doing together is so much for the betterment of a society, right? It has this impact beyond just the fact of entertainment or for their own sake or them becoming better people.
00:57:22
Speaker
Well, I suppose another one would be and this is sort of book related to is Frodo and Sam, right? Because they have an established relationship at the beginning. Clearly at the beginning and it becomes even stronger or it just gets stronger. Right. Bears out. Right. It's like, no, this is what. Yeah. And that's I guess the nature of relationship. It will survive any test you throw to it. Sort of thing to, you know, even if it ends tragically. Yeah. Yeah.
00:57:53
Speaker
they're going to be together to the end. That kind of thing. So that's the idea of romance. Okay. That seems a lot clearer because I saw a lot of lists and there were a lot of those cop buddy movies of, you know, I work alone. I don't have a partner and all that stuff. But yeah, no, that, that makes a lot more sense. And also having that, that the point that you're making about
00:58:15
Speaker
splitting up isn't an option. They've got to plow through, right? Yeah. Okay, this list is pretty good at looking at it. Yeah, let's be on, we can build our own list. Yeah. Now that we've got some kind of definition to it. There we go. There's your framework.
00:58:32
Speaker
I've set the table. I'm going back to the food now. Do you think I was hungry? But I ate before the thing. You're making me hungry now. Cool. That's interesting. So what do you got next in that class? So we watched, this week was Lethal Weapon 2. Okay. Because the first one is them coming together.
00:58:55
Speaker
I was just gonna point that out, right? That's a nice one. So the second one is them, I mean, at this point, you know, at the beginning, Rig, you know, Mel Gibson's character, I mean, he's got his own section of their house, basically. He's like, oh, where does he's like, you know, where does your wife keep my laundry? You know, kind of thing there, obviously. So again, it's obvious and again, splitting up or not going to the end together isn't, you know, not an option. Yeah. And then this next one to finish it off will be
00:59:25
Speaker
Not my favorite, but I'm curious to sit through it with the new lens. Star Trek Into Darkness. The Abrams new, yeah, I know. I would have thought there would be better versions of those characters. Well, and see, that's what, but.
00:59:44
Speaker
Again, I want to watch it with this take on it, with this projective. Yeah, fair enough. Fair enough. Oh, always good to go. Despite all my other problems with that movie, I'm like, OK, can I set those aside and see what it does for this? So that's what I'm curious to explore with this. So I'm willing to sit through it again, because that's what it is, sitting through. Put on the lens flare, filtering glasses, and just do what you think.
01:00:14
Speaker
It'll take an extra beer or two.