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Episode 025 - Belgian Waffle
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In this episode, we look at the upcoming films of 2024 as well as review Denis Villeneuve's Dune Part Two.
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Intro clip from Jonathan Glazer's "Sexy Beast" from FilmFour, Kanzaman S.A., Recorded Picture Company, Jeremy Thomas Productions distributed by Fox Searchlight Pictures
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Introduction to Two Oceans Podcast
00:00:05
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Two oceans will begin. We're looking at Saturday, but you're needed in London this Friday. It's a bit sudden, isn't it? Sudden? No, it's very far from sudden. Teddy's been working on this for five months. Down almost there. I've been in on it for two. It's not sudden. Preparation, preparation, preparation.
00:00:38
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Welcome to the Two Oceans Podcast, where myself, Sue Fire, along with my friend and genius colleague, Scrumby, discuss film and other media through a decades-long lens of mass media consumption.
Cinema Pet Peeves
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In this episode, we talk about films in the pipeline for 2024, as well as a review for Denis Villeneuve's Dune Part 2. This is the Two Oceans Podcast. So start your thumper as we get ready to ride the worm of Episode 1, Series 2.
00:01:11
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Is it talking about the audio quality or us? Probably puts like a British filter on me or something, so I sound more astute. Some kind of Belgian AI. Can we do that? It's not French, you idiot. It's Belgian.
00:01:41
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Well, it's been a long time. Been a long, long time in between, uh, in the, uh, in the office. Well, we were, we were on strike for part of that, right? You know? Yeah. In solidarity with someone. With someone somewhere doing something that we agreed with where we didn't have to do anything. Yeah. That sounds like us. That tracks.
00:02:09
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So, on my notes here, actually, this is one. I got a gripe. I got a gripe. So, what are your pet peeves when you go to the cinema? When I go to the cinema? I'll kick it off. Okay, yeah, please.
00:02:24
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But I went this week to see Still Walking, which is an older Carita movie, and I booked it, and I got into it. I was like, oh, I've already seen this one. I completely forgot. But it was good. So I was happy about that. But a guy a couple rows behind me fell asleep. Oh, no. I'd experienced this a couple times before.
00:02:52
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And these people don't just fall asleep, they snore. Oh yeah, they snore, of course. You have to, right? Yeah, this stiff British upper lip kind of kicked in, and then after about 10 minutes, someone was like, can you nudge your pal?
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He's really loud. Yeah, so that's a gripe that I have. I honestly don't think I've ever experienced somebody falling asleep. Yeah, this is the second time it's happened in the last couple of years. No, we've had people doing it in the back row on one. I remember we were leaving and they're like, suddenly she's hopping off the guy. I'm like, wow, okay, romantic.
00:03:38
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And I think it was like a transporter or something like, some movie like that. I'm like, all right. Jason Statham getting you all hot and bothered, apparently. 4D movies that they have where they like have an enhanced experience. Actually, what you could do with the sleeping people is have that, you know, you know what they did with the old Vincent Price movie, The Tingler. Right. All the seats and have that sort of electric zap. So if anyone does fall asleep, you could just push the button. True. Push the button. Yeah. Yeah.
00:04:07
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Yeah, no, I mean, as far as the peeves, I mean, it's not a peeve, it's just where I've got the, you know, because our local that played first run stuff of, you know, the more commercial burned down. So we lost that. So we have to go to the more, the multiplex. It was like a singleplex.
00:04:25
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And so they, because it's more corporate, they have this, you know, like, I don't know, like hip variety kind of show beforehand where they do stuff for TV and for upcoming artists and all this kind of crap. And the gal that hosts it has the worst fake laugh I've ever heard. And she sounds like a goat. So every time I'm like, release the goat.
00:04:50
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Because all the seats are assigned now, but of course I want to get there early to get a good seat. It's still, my old man brain can't process that. It's okay, you can show up any time, your seat is there, and it just doesn't, so we can still get there early to settle in, get everything set, and then yeah, we have to listen to Maria Menounos.
00:05:15
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I mean, look up Marina Minouno's coat laugh. I'm sure it's a search already done. Oh, but not cool, but not that cool. I do want to live deliciously, but not her way.
00:05:31
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I do like butter on my popcorn. How movies start? I don't know what it's like in the States. It's been a while since I've been to the cinema there. But over here at my usual cinema, which is kind of a more sort of independent.
00:05:52
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It's around 20 minutes of ads. There's 10 minutes of ads, right? And then there's 10 minutes of trailers. And then the movie starts, right? Wow. Which is... But that's, you know, like, I saw, it was funny, I saw an ad for the anniversary of Greystoke coming out and I saw Greystoke when I was a kid when I was in England. Oh, me too. Oh, inside of England.
00:06:13
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I did. But they had commercials before. And I was like, what the hell is this? Because we didn't have them at the time. And now it's hard to think of them not being part of the cinema experience, going experienced. Yeah, the local I have
Anticipated Films for 2024
00:06:28
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that does the indie stuff, the ads they have are for local businesses because there's a lot of community support driven and membership and that sort of thing.
00:06:39
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So they'll show maybe a trailer for another, you know, A24 or, you know, Studio Canal or, you know, whatever kind of release that's coming. But usually it's like maybe one or two. And that's it. So it's really nice. But the other one, yeah, has this like 30 minute show of just... Oh, no, it's bad. I mean, the ads, like half of them are like public service ads. So I don't mind those as much. Sure. But if the film is scheduled for eight o'clock,
00:07:07
Speaker
Um, the good thing is, is, is I know that I could turn up at 20 past eight and just go right into the movie. I, I like watching the trailers. So I'll come in, time it to that. But when I went to go see Dune last week at an IMAX cinema, obviously those aren't independent. Um, it was 30 minutes.
00:07:32
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all kinds of garbage beforehand, like any car ad that comes on may as well just be completely generic because I don't, you know, it just washes over me. But 30 minutes, you know, and for a long movie like that, you know?
00:07:47
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If we're like, tick tock, come on. Yeah, come on. Bathroom counter started, dudes, come on. Right. Get me to the sand and air a desert. Yeah, no, those are the, like, I rarely have anything, you know, there's part of it to go into the more commercial thing and where geographically ours is located. Right. Different clientele, but it's, to me, it's not annoying. It's just like, okay, this is cool. It's a different,
00:08:16
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experience, even though people might be a little noisier or a little more disruptive, but in ways that aren't really that distracting, considering what we're seeing. If I'm sitting through some kind of something more independent or something like that, I might have a problem with it. But with something more commercial, I'm like, eh, maybe it's kind of part of the experience. Exactly.
00:08:47
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But yeah, it sort of adds to the experience otherwise you may as well watch it at home. Right. Yeah, yeah. Right. That's enough moaning. Upcoming films at 2024. Now I've put together- Upcoming films. I've put some of the
00:09:08
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weedier ones at the bottom. But one of the ones that's top of my list that I haven't heard too many people talking about is Kingdom of the Planet of Apes.
00:09:18
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You know, I was saying, we were just talking today with the wife about the tickets and what's coming up, and I'm like, well, we got the monkey movie run. So we've got Godzilla and Kong, we've got Monkey Man, and we've got Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes, which she was like, oh, I wasn't including that one. So it was like very appropriate then. I'm like, this is a series that is
00:09:38
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far better than it has any right to be. That's just been quality from the get go. And it's been what now, like what, 10 years since the first one or something? I mean, it's just been ongoing and it's just like every single one is good. Like you think back on some of them like, oh, you know, that one was really good. Like why did I just, like I went and saw it and like, wow, that was really good. Moving on.
00:10:02
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There's something about it. There's something about it that doesn't linger. I don't know. Maybe it's just because of the way the old plan of the apes kind of fell apart in their ending and it is kind of discounted. I don't know. It's weird. Right. Exactly. And managed to make something that has a point, you know, that has real emotion in it. And it's not about
00:10:26
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You know, it's what Villeneuve knows is that the spectacle comes second, right? Yeah. Sort of naturally come out of these kinds of stories. But yeah, they've been been so solid. I mean, I think the first one is I think of it as a prequel.
00:10:44
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Right the first sure i think it's got a different tone and it's it's solid but i don't think it's as good as what came after yeah agreed like rise of the planet of apes is is is definitely my favorite so far the one and see and i know i gotta ask is that the one with woody harrelson.
00:11:04
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No, it's the one where they're trying to get the electric connected to the dam and You know, see that's the thing. That's that's all they're trying to do like really that's that's our whole goal. Okay, we need to Have decent individuals in it and it doesn't take but a few people to just spoil it for everyone
00:11:26
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To ruin it for everyone, exactly. That's not like real life at all. Yeah. So keen to the point of the apes, yeah, I'm completely intrigued. Right. You know, I've been asking people, you know, you're gonna go see that or I went with a pal too.
00:11:43
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Dune and trailer came up and I was like, I could go really excited for that one. He was like, I haven't seen any of them. And it's like, Oh, you know, I'm going to have to sort that out. Yeah. That's you got a gap there, brother. Yeah. Yeah. That's not that's not great.
00:11:58
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Yeah. Yeah, they're good in different ways, but they're good in the quality that, you know, it's ostensibly about monkeys, but it's more about humans. Oh yeah. And the effects are really good. The effects are outstanding. Amazing. Yeah. Yeah.
00:12:16
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And then, oh, we might as well stick to the monkey movies. Oh, I suppose out of the three that you mentioned, the next one I would be Monkey Man. Right. And did you see Dev Patel's reactions to the standing ovation he got at South by Southwest when he showed it, when he premiered it? I didn't know. He had to turn around from the crowd because he was crying.
00:12:44
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It was just like, oh, oh, John Wick's crying. Oh, that's an interesting one. That's one thing that I did see Deb Patel talking about. Right. His inspiration wasn't from John Wick, it was from the originals.
00:13:02
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Well, and you know, it's it's part of that the that thing with the You know that seems current that you know people's Reference point the PN by people. I mean people are doing these interviews writing for You know websites that would have these kind of articles that we'd want to see your interviews, you know, they're their attention span They're not film critics and they were reporters and their attention spans are really low. So like oh, it's an action movie like John Wick It's like, you know, there's about a billion other
00:13:33
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movies out there, right? And then they're like, oh, this is really good. It's like, yeah, it is. Yes. But you know, it's taking from, and then you start listing the movies that actually, like he does, you know, that he's been bringing, he's been very forthright about calling out his, you know, wearing his references on his sleeve without being just a soulless like Rob Zombie-esque, call it an homage when it's really just,
00:13:58
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Like, oh, I know, I like stuff, you know, kind of vomit onto the screen. So, yeah. Yeah, so, yeah, definitely not John Wick. He's like, yeah, no, there's, you know, John Wick didn't make beer out of nowhere either. It has obvious references as well. And so, yeah.
00:14:23
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man, if you need to, and if you need to take a break now to wash out your mouth after saying those names, the third monkey man movie, I'm, I'm, I'm less excited about, um, the, the, the calm Godzilla and Godzilla.
00:14:50
Speaker
Yeah, Kong Godzilla was the new empire. I'm less excited about that. There is one element, though, that that does make me hopeful for the movie is that Dan Stevens is in it. Right. I saw that. Yeah, he is good in everything he said. And he is he is he's picked quite a few sort of like he's done some indie horrors that have been really good.
00:15:20
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So, yeah, I'm kind of interested because of him. Right? He was very good in Legion. Yeah, yeah. Which is a show which turned itself around by the end. He had the sense to leave Downton Abbey really fast. Right, yeah, that's right. He was in that, wasn't he? Yeah, he was like, kill me off. What? He was like, no, kill me off.
00:15:50
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Yes, I liked it up to a point. It was a matter of sticking the landing. I'm like, okay, I guess that's an ending.
00:16:01
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fair I had high but I also had higher hopes for it so sure maybe that was unfair yeah the one not the host what was the one where he shows up as the oh god what's the name that one the guest yeah he's fantastic in that
00:16:25
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Yeah. Anyway, that whole, the Kong Godzilla, the new universe there, I love it. It's just a nice, for me, it's a nice counterbalance to, you know, minus one, which I also adore and I'm very thrilled with. You know, it's like, okay, Godzilla as...
00:16:44
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you know, horror creature or Godzilla as action hero. I'm like, we can have both. We can exist with both. Pretty well. I think they do a pretty good job
Film Remakes and New Releases
00:16:56
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of it. They still, you know, and I'm hoping this new one will finally get a better shot like minus one did of finally getting the human part of it right.
00:17:10
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Because zero one did. Zero one nailed it a hundred percent. Finally they got it. You know, only took them what 70 films or whatever, but they finally got it right. Well, Godzilla Kingdom Monsters, the trailer for that one had me thinking, oh, this is the one where they're going to actually do that.
00:17:29
Speaker
Yeah. And that one came close. That one came closer than Godzilla versus Kong to me. But in that, you know, you're just waiting for the, you know, let them fight. You know, you're just waiting for that part of it. Yeah. But, but, but the, I mean, they had Gator in it. It's like, they overstuffed it and it began so much about, you know,
00:17:55
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Mothra was great, though, in that one. That was the best Mothra that's been on screen. Rodan was in there, too. I keep forgetting about that. Rodan was in there, yep. But yeah, the whole thing didn't hang together as much as I'd hoped it would. Yeah. I still loved it, but yeah, not quite to the same.
00:18:13
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And speaking of remakes, I'm going to just grab one of the dicey ones now. It's somewhere in the middle dicey range, which is the Crow remake. Oh dear.
00:18:26
Speaker
Well, and part of me, though, is, you know, I mean, yeah, it looks awful. Just the story looks awful. I'm like, why don't they go with the original comic story? Why does no one do that? Just do that. Now, the original movie, people are like, oh, it can never be as good as the original. The original wasn't good, people.
00:18:44
Speaker
Brandon Lee was great in it. There were a couple really good performances in that movie. Overall, the look of it I really liked, but the kid, the kid ruined that. And you introduce a kid into that whole story, and especially the crow. Really? You don't need a kid. Like, it ruins the whole thing. And it becomes an, oh, I've got to save the kid. And it's like, no, no, he's a spirit of vengeance. Like, let him be a spirit of vengeance. And that's it. You know.
00:19:14
Speaker
The best way to do it is to really lean into the source. Yep. And yeah, this has vibes of, um, the whole joker, uh, with the tattoos. Right. It's just not, it's not where you, I don't even understand why, why, why they call it at the crow. They may as well make it. Uh, yeah, I, yeah, I don't know. Yeah.
00:19:43
Speaker
And speaking of the Man from the Crow, that sort of reminds me of the Northmen, which I didn't enjoy, but Robert Eggers, Nosferatu, is coming out this year. And I'm kind of hopeful with it just because of the visuals from The Lighthouse, but I think Eggers started off his career.
00:20:07
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sort of making a place for himself as creating authentic stories about American folklore.
00:20:17
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Right. And I think that's where he fell over with the Northman is it suddenly just didn't feel authentic at all. You know, why, you know, why they got different Scandinavian accents. She's Icelandic. You know, the whole thing just it just seems ridiculous to me. And then it ended with kind of almost Marvel style ending, which, you know, like,
00:20:42
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him, you know, usually has quite grounded. So Nosferatu, we'll see, we'll see. Hopefully getting back on track. Yeah, one hope so. Speaking of the, speaking of that Crow remake, the Skarsgard's got the other one coming out. The Boy Kills World, which I don't know if you've seen the trailer for that or not. He's a mute.
00:21:08
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action hero but it's narrated his the voice in his head he picks the voice in his head to use he's like it was of this video game that I like and this was the main character is each John Benjamin from you know Archer and Bob's burgers fame
00:21:22
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So he's the voice of this totally ripped, jacked action hero. And it's supposed to be just gloriously violent. The trailer looks great. I don't think they've released a red band for it. But it's gotten pretty good reviews. It's done in Toronto and things like that where it got some good press for it. So that one will be coming out too.
00:21:46
Speaker
you know he'll have he'll have the crow which people probably crap all over rightfully so uh but then this one which uh looks like it might redeem him a little bit so then we've got uh
00:22:06
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Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And even just so far, you know, uh, what they've released so far versus what we know of who's in it. Like they basically
Animated and Horror Films
00:22:17
Speaker
have tried to grab anybody that's ever been in any Marvel property ever, uh, to be in this thing. Right. Oh God. You know, they're going to do some tableau with like, Oh yeah. Oh, they have to. That's kind of,
00:22:35
Speaker
Um, but yeah, the Deadpool, I mean, that's another series that, you know, kind of shines out of the kind of my Marvel properties over the past few years. Um, just because it's, it's, uh, you know, not pulled it sponges. It just went for it, you know, and, and, and, and actually speaking of kind of going for it, um, it looks like alien Romulus is going to lean into the horror, uh,
00:23:02
Speaker
Well, they're going to ignore those crappy, craptastic new ones. I don't even bother with because they look so fucking bad and actually go back to the between alien and aliens, right? Yeah. And I trust Fedi Alvarez. He's done good stuff. It's going to be crunchy at the very least. Exactly. Yeah. It's going to get messy.
00:23:24
Speaker
Yeah, a lot of excitement around that one. So, yeah, fingers crossed. The one, I'll give you my long shot, the one that I'm hoping would be good. I might, you know, but I don't know, but the story interests me a lot because it has before. And so this version of it will is the bike riders with Tom Hardy and Austin Butler. That's coming out. They're the motorcycle gang in Chicago in the 50s.
00:23:51
Speaker
I mean, it looks like it has the potential anyway, right? Especially with those two signed on to it and Hardy getting to be Hardy. Which is always fun, you know? Right? Oh, oh do we, yes. Oh goodness, yes. The new trailer for that, it's just even more so.
00:24:22
Speaker
Yeah, it's like, oh wow. Speaking of surprising new trailers too, the, uh, the Beetlejuice sequel teaser dropped this week.
00:24:31
Speaker
Yeah, I did see that too. But because Burton's behind it, I'm... Yeah, we'll see. Yeah, it's like, exactly. Yeah. My foot's not on the accelerator. It's only lightly hovering over the brake. But if it's good, be happy. I think we went to go see the first one when it came out. Probably. Yeah, that sounds right. Yeah.
00:24:55
Speaker
And then, I don't know if you saw the Invisible Man a few years back. The Elizabeth Moss. Yeah, very. Yeah. I thought it was excellent. Oh, yeah.
00:25:09
Speaker
Lee Waddell, who directed that, is releasing The Wolf Man. Oh, that's right. Yeah. So that should be interesting. Right. If he tackles it in kind of a similar way, like The Invisible Man, you know, I'm all on board for that. Building his own alternate universal monster kind of universe. One by one universe. Yeah.
00:25:34
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Like I didn't even bother with, uh, this Tom Cruise went with the money. Oh yeah. Yeah. No, no, no, right. I was just like, yeah, no, we're just moving on.
00:25:47
Speaker
And then Pixar got Inside Out 2, which I think could be good. I thought the first one was good. As long as it's not a cash-in, I don't want to dismiss any of these sort of kids' movie sequels. There have been some cracking ones over the past few years.
00:26:06
Speaker
Right and I think yeah, they seem to kind of turn the boat around a bit Pixar has and well this one introducing all the new emotions because she's a teenager and the fact that they were able to represent You know tween or adolescent Development mental development. Yeah in a way that was both seemed since felt sincere and seemed
00:26:31
Speaker
Honest with it like nothing was cheap. There were no cheap jokes in inside out You know some are pretty obvious or pretty close, but they're nothing like cheap like wasn't you know denigrating any of the characters for it, and there's you know then there's You know of course being a Pixar thing. There's got to be some
Ghostbusters and Horror Comedy
00:26:49
Speaker
sense of loss and Gain and everything else in there, and they did you know they did that exceptionally well and
00:26:54
Speaker
with a very, you know, very stretched focus or cast. You know, obviously joy is the main one that's running and running things. But, you know, what happens when that is gone or what happens when that's challenged and that's what's going to just continue just to now it's a different way with it. Was it Maya Hawk is the voice of anxiety that's coming, which is like great casting, but again, it's...
00:27:21
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their casting is always pretty much pretty much brilliant so yeah and then the um yeah i'm sorry speaking of serious that i mean this is just like a toy story this one christmas hmm right just something that feels fresh and new and
00:27:50
Speaker
brings new elements into it that brought some like proper horror bits into it. Right. But yeah, no joke. Okay, the horror bit here. Now. Apparently the new Ghostbusters is terrible, surprise, surprise. But I think would have been what Ghostbusters needed to continue. And I think people just kept missing it is
00:28:19
Speaker
know, I remember seeing the first one when it came out. It leaned into the horror, you know, very short segments, you know, like the ghost library, you know, that that that that was, you know, they didn't hold back. And that for that time, right, now they need to amp it up, right? They think they because because it's
00:28:43
Speaker
humor and horror are very similar in terms of the timing that you need for those two. And I think they can work so well with each other. You know, look at each other. And, you know, you can't hold back on one or the other. You know, and again,
War and Dystopian Films
00:28:58
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we sort of talked about Deadpool as a series. They don't hold back. And I think that's kind of what
00:29:06
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a series like Ghostbusters Needed instead of getting the sort of committee made script. Oh, we'll bring back Bill Murray and we'll bring back, you know, Dan Aykroyd. We'll do this and we'll drop them in for required. Because we have to do that now, right? Right, right. Can't let anything be new and original or just move on.
00:29:31
Speaker
And again, my thing is like when I was watching the Japanese band, whose name escapes me at the moment, that's doing the cover of the original song, doing the new theme song for this new movie. And the video was them being Ghostbusters. I'm like, there you go. Ghostbusters with Japanese Goobles in Japan fighting Japanese ghosts. I would watch the living fuck out of that. Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. Just and get the guy who did house suit.
00:30:02
Speaker
Well, we'll see. You want this to really succeed, not to be a cult favorite, right? And then far wise, we also have Terrifier 3 coming out later in the year.
00:30:16
Speaker
Please don't be longer than the last one. Exactly. Cut it in half. Oh, what's the one Immaculate? I think it's out now. It's supposed to be, it's getting pretty solid reviews. Oh, really? Okay. That's interesting. Sydney Sweeney. I think these sort of possession movies get to a point where you get saturation and I wait for someone to recommend it like you just did. And yeah, I'm gonna check that out.
00:30:40
Speaker
What's the... Yeah, go ahead. The one that's... Got Quiet Place Day 1, which looks kind of interesting. And that's Lupita Nwongo, isn't it? Isn't she a lead? Excellent, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Great casting there. And then we close out the trilogy for Spider-Man across the Spider-Verse with Beyond the Spider-Verse, which I'm excited about as much as I
00:31:07
Speaker
I was for Dune too. Right. Yeah, I think everybody is. It's like realizing how good that movie is. Also for horror, In a Violent Nature just popped up on my radar this week. It's a new one. The one because it's gotten almost a near perfect Roddy T's score. It's from the like immortal killer, like basically from Jason's point of view.
00:31:37
Speaker
Yeah, it just, yeah, it just came popped up here like this week. The trailer really got the push this week and that one looks good. I like the premise idea and other. The other outlier I'm kind of looking at, looking forward to is Alex Garland's new one, that Civil War. Civil War. So let's come out here.
00:32:01
Speaker
Oh, okay. And it may have already here or at least the reviews. It's, uh, it's, it's.
00:32:12
Speaker
But the criticism has been that it's a little bit detached from the people or reality, like you don't get an explanation into the politics of what caused the Civil War, right? So there's no... Yeah, it's already underway. ...what kicked it off and there's weird stuff like Texas and California or...
00:32:34
Speaker
OK. So so there's some things that just feel a little bit that that been knocking people out of the narrative while they've been watching it. And I think it might have worked. I mean, whatever my
Alex Garland's Civil War
00:32:52
Speaker
problem with the trailer.
00:32:54
Speaker
is that it feels a little bit generic in terms of the way the production design and what it looks like. Like the clips sometimes look like they're from The Walking Dead or kind of a generic kind of future. You're right. Yeah. How they really detail it. And I kind of felt like I would have benefited from the kind of production design that we had for something like Children of Men.
00:33:23
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Sure. Which just kept the whole thing grounded, right? There's a consistency in how it looked. But yeah, I'm interested in it. It's a concept that's not a million miles away from happening, you know, given the craziness over the past few years. So yeah, yeah, I mean, and Alex Garland is always worth a look in. Exactly. Worth a shot.
00:33:53
Speaker
Yeah, and then Blumhouse is remaking Speak No Evil, which everybody raved about and I watched it and I fucking hated. The Danish horror film with the family and getting the kids and that whole thing.
Horror Films: Strong Starts, Weak Endings
00:34:09
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Again, it's another one of, you know, it's very typical of a lot of, especially European horror, but there's been more American horror lately too where they just can't stick the damn landing. Their ending feels like they just have to wrap it up and be like,
00:34:20
Speaker
Wow, great premise, you blew it. Uh, you know, that was the case with the, but I can't imagine that I'd miss. I think we talked about, I think you had, but I can't, yeah, I can't remember either. I did. That's good to remember. I was like, at the end, I was just howling an outrage of, I was like, God damn it, learn how to finish a movie, people.
00:34:43
Speaker
Especially horror films. Horror films seem to have a real problem wrapping things up well. Otherwise it's great. Like when evil lurks or whatever. That one.
00:34:58
Speaker
It's like, this is great until the ending relies on just a character being a stupid, selfish piece of shit. And that's it? And then everything, and then we're doomed because of that? That's your ending. That's what you used to wrap this up. That's the best you could come up with. It's like, come on.
Denis Villeneuve's Dune Adaptation
00:35:14
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Yeah, I, that recommended a fart shirt, uh, called Curved, which I watched this week. Didn't, didn't know what it was for.
00:35:29
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Hmm. Watched it. It was good, but then it just just. Very, very, very felt like a very rushed technique. Like they were like, I don't know. Where do we go from here? You know, they built up all this atmosphere really, really well. The tension is through the roof.
00:35:54
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And it almost felt like a demo for a proposal to make a full film kind of thing. OK, sure. Which I don't think it's there. I think they needed to put more into it. Like, yeah, you've shown that you're capable of kind of creating this atmosphere. But where are you going with it? You know, it's worth watching. It doesn't last very long. It should be twice as long.
00:36:23
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But yeah, sticking the landing is a tough one. But speaking of sticking the landing, we can, I think, probably good to move into talking about, well, we keep calling it Dune because Dune 2 sounds stupid to say.
00:36:41
Speaker
Well, let's say the newest Dune movie or, you know, because it's all one story, right? So it is all Dune, but it feels weird to say Dune 2. Sounds like I'm swearing in a foreign language. Dune also, yeah. Or Dune as well, maybe. More Dune. Dooner. I think I can kick off our review thing. Incoming transmission.
00:37:12
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Two oceans. Dune, first of all, if we're talking about it being called Dune 2, is it's we've basically had a really long intermission because the action picks up, you know, within minutes of the first one. Exactly. And it is a continuation of the story from the first book. It is, exactly. From the book of Dune. So. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
00:37:38
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Second at latter half. So we're going to have to do three at some point. Yeah, I think Hans Zimmer left it out of the bag when he was talking about, no, no, no, I saved those bits for the third one because it matches a lot better. Right. Okay. Cat's out of the bag.
00:38:01
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Yeah, what are your thoughts? I enjoyed it quite a bit. I thought there was a lot that it got as a fan of the book. There's a lot that it got right, some things that were changed. I'm kind of like, okay, I see why.
00:38:16
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I guess the biggest thing that I appreciated in how they're telling the story is that they shifted it off of Paul and moved it to Shawnee and to his mom. Let the women tell the story because they're the ones really competing and at odds.
00:38:33
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with what he's going to become, which, you know, is kind of, they get there in the books. I don't think Herbert even had that worked out in the original Dune, the first book. But, you know, by the time you get to the later books, it is, oh, yeah, it makes more sense to have those two being the, and even the princess, right, throwing her in the mix. He's talking specifically about the family. Men and women are completely
00:39:03
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Right. But in the book, it didn't really show that. It never felt that way. And I always thought Johnny got screwed, but it was like, oh, okay, I'm not going to hook up with the princess here so I can become emperor. And that's going to fix them. And I can go continue and do what I want. Yeah. Versus, you know, in this movie, you know, the looks Zendaya gives him, like, dude, you just pissed off a woman. That, that look, oh my God, every man is terrified.
00:39:28
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Yeah. Every straight man, even gay men are terrified. Like, oh shit, you did the pissed off of sister. Like, you are in trouble. You are going to pay for that, buddy. That's that look. You are going to pay for this decision. But I really appreciated them pulling that out and giving, especially giving her screen time, because one, she's a great actress.
00:39:50
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And two, she's really carrying the emotional punch of what Rebecca Ferguson's character is, as the mother, as Lady Jessica, has been trying to introduce, is trying to walk the line of like, well, this is what we've been planning. But the Wii is really kind of sloppy. She's not the Bene Gesserit that show up there at the end with the Emperor.
00:40:17
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She is much more of what they were supposed to be, or what they were going to be, and these are the others. Like Paul is, you know, right? These are all the ones that are corrupted by their power schemes and all that, missing the true voice, the true calling, the true path, if you will.
00:40:36
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Yeah, so I thought that was a smart play. I liked that and I liked, you know, them. And I've seen a couple articles where they're calling out, you know, especially Lady Jessica being more of the like, do not sleep on this character. This is, she's the one really that if you watch her character in the scene, she's in and what she does is much more core to. Yeah, exactly.
00:41:08
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But the fact, and they just pull that out, the fact that she's doing it, and it's kind of like, you know, he's like, oh, is that right? Is that right? And it's what Paul's doing right or wrong? It's much more questioning that than the books did, I thought. Again, you're kind of taking Johnny's our voice, right? She's the one not drinking the Kool-Aid. She's the one not bowing down. She's the one like, nope, I'm going to go hop on a worm. Fuck you. You guys are all, white people suck. And she's just going to run off in the desert.
00:41:38
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It also made the Fremen more interesting in the book, because South of the greater, they're like... The zealots. Yeah. And others are a little bit less zeality, you know. Just make fun of the Southerners, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which I thought was good. But just the...
00:42:04
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So, you know, the visual. Now, this surprised me. I watched the video of Villeneuve breaking down a scene and he talked about the worm writing scene. I don't know if you've seen it, but almost all of that was practical. It's mind blowing. Yeah, right. Yeah, I did see that. Yeah. They both built the dune. Built a dune and then let it collapse on the snipe.
00:42:31
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Yeah, right. And they built the kind of the worm skin. And, you know, it was on, you know, it was moving and going vertical at times, which is when Paul, you know, or the stuntman or whatever. But it blew my mind because when I was watching it, I knew there was CG there in my head. Right. And I couldn't quite
00:42:59
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pinned down, but I could feel that it felt very tactile with the sand and everything going on. And it's like, oh, that's how you get onto a worm, right? But yeah, it's pretty awesome that he was able to do that.
00:43:17
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Right? Yeah, it was very impressive. But again, I think anytime you do that, your characters don't get swallowed up by the effects. And so you don't lose sight of the story that way, and you don't lose sight of the people, and that kind of thing.
00:43:38
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Well, also, you can use CG, but you'd have to kind of guess how a person would have to move and react to the various forces of gravity and momentum and all this, how that would work. And we would be able to kind of notice that something doesn't feel quite right. And I think I mentioned this recently. The only thing that I kind of missed from
00:44:08
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Lynch's dude was Alia. And don't get me wrong, I do like what they did about sort of condensing the time. And there's something actually kind of creepy about Paul's sister still in the womb. And, you know, they drunk the
00:44:24
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in a water of life and she's suddenly got all the memories of her ancestors so she's aware and she's talking to Jessica which was interesting and we actually got to see her as an older presumably
00:44:42
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from the next movie. But yeah, that little girl in Dunes, in Lynch's Dune, is stuck in my head. Yeah, she's great. My brother's coming, Baron. And the beer that people had in this little girl. Oh, yeah, they're terrified of her. Yeah, the Benny Jizzers show up and they're like, what the fuck is this? Yeah. Get out of my mind.
00:45:12
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And her just dancing amongst the bodies with a knife and just like, I'm having the best time. I'm living my best life. This is great. But yeah, no, I do like the changes that Vilniv did because I think they didn't stray from what Herbert was trying to do.
00:45:34
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Exactly. And there's some details that he just didn't, he chose not to get bogged down in. A lot of the things like that are in, you know, because dunes, all the books are pretty lengthy. And there's some things it's like, okay, you're doing a lot of world building here and there's a lot of class building that goes in there too, like the, you know, the soldiers versus the Mentats versus the politicians versus the Fremen versus,
00:45:59
Speaker
You know, and so, like, you know, he said it really broke his heart to cut out Thufir Hiwat out of the second movie, but he had to. It's like there's just, there's no room. Well, the only reason that you put him in there is just you're going through a tick list of what's in the book. Exactly.
00:46:16
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And they're like, oh, we need to, we have to have this. Well, no, you don't. And here's why. Yeah. So yeah, I thought that was really well done. Yeah. Enjoyed it. You know, people say, you know. It seems like everyone's enjoyed it. Right. You know, across the board, it seems to be because it's hard to tell because as you know,
00:46:35
Speaker
We've grown up with this story. Right. And we've seen- I don't trust the new love these kids have with this movie, this franchise. But yeah, it seems to have hit. But I think, like the book, I think people misinterpreted it. So the next movie is going to be a cold shower for some people. Yes. Let's look at this mirror, shall we? Yeah.
00:47:02
Speaker
Yeah, he's not a hero. Yeah, not a hero. I mean, one of the one of the criticisms I heard was that they had removed almost all of the kind of Arabic elements. And so I went in thinking, oh, boy, let's see what happened. And no, it is.
00:47:23
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Blightly, clearly Arabic. Right, yeah. I'm like, mm-hmm. Yeah. Agreed. Yeah, maybe they didn't say jihad, but, you know, that... They're kneeling down at like noon on mats to pray towards the southern pole. Yeah.
00:47:45
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It is very clear. I mean, even the words, they're based on Arabic. Well, and I do like the meme that's, you know, this popular meme now of the Lisan al-Gaib, you know, Paul's doing a card trick and it's, you know, Stilgar like, oh, Lisan al-Gaib, you know, he does the dumbest thing and he's like, oh, Lisan al-Gaib, you know.
00:48:06
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the whole life of Brian thing, like his shoe. Exactly. The sacred shoe. And speaking of that too, I thought they did, the one character that was about super consistent between the book and the movie is Stilgar because in the book he really recedes into the back and just kind of become, and he becomes just this witness to it. And he's like, Oh, like, you know, cause he's the driving force. Then all of a sudden when he realizes this is who Paul is, he like really takes a back seat.
00:48:37
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in the book and I thought they did that well they actually did that in the movie like I was impressed that like somebody like of Javier Bardem's you know quality of you know ranking would would allow for that would you know would be fine doing that because it makes sense.
00:48:58
Speaker
And I would also say I liked Fade in this one because he gets to be a lot more psychotic, but Sting in the first movie, he was great. He was just great. And I guess he offered him his underwear that he comes out of the pod and he's just in that weird
00:49:22
Speaker
Futurama-style underwear, codpiece. I think he offered that to Austin Butler, but he politely declined.
00:49:34
Speaker
And to do the version that we have now is not his. It was almost an Alan Smithy, right? Yeah. And, you know, we've, you know, thanks to YouTube, there are various deleted scenes and whatnot, constituted scenes that resurfaced. And it all looks really interesting to me. And if anything, I think the first one just
00:50:00
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adhered too much to the book. And I think Herbert was involved as well, because I do remember there were documentaries at the time of Frank Herbert talking about Kyle McLaughlin and saying, it's pretty much what I expected. Yeah, I'd read the book going into that movie and I was still confused.
00:50:24
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And don't forget that Lynch wasn't given, you know, four or five hours. Yeah, right. Can you make it 90 minutes? Wow. Okay. Wow.
Tribute to M. Emmett Walsh and Cinema Nostalgia
00:50:39
Speaker
Shoot it vertically so they can watch it on a mobile phone.
00:50:44
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and you know that was the other thing I did appreciate oh yeah and about the new one is that you know since the previous Dune movie that came out during the lockdown so I wasn't able to see it on the big screen and so seeing this one on the big screen was very nice
00:51:02
Speaker
Well, the funny thing is, well, I couldn't see the last one on the big screen. I think things have been out of my mind. They did a re-release of some, yeah, I think too. But I liked the first one slightly more. Yeah, I would agree.
00:51:19
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which seems to be the exact opposite of most audiences. I mean, in not criticizing this one, I think of it as a single movie anyhow. I think once we get the Ultra HD part two, I'll be watching them back to back one weekend, for sure.
00:51:42
Speaker
But yeah, it's great. And I think the hints at what's to come for Dune Messiah are quite exciting as well. It looks like he's going to really lean into that. And I think the way that he sort of adapted the first book kind of bodes well. And he said that he wants to have like this nice sort of triptych between these movies.
00:52:09
Speaker
I don't think he's going to do another one immediately, but I wouldn't put it past him wanting to pick up maybe another trio of movies out of the rest of the books because some of the books concentrate on the Bene Gesserit, which he's established so well, made them so interesting that that would be
00:52:31
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That would be pretty fantastic. And then obviously, there's going to be a time skip as well once you get past the science. So, yeah, maybe interesting. Oh, actually, his next movie is Rendezvous with Rama. As a book. Yeah. About like first contact, but it goes into like extreme detail, very grounded, you know,
00:52:59
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how we react and then how we go investigate this huge ship that suddenly appears. So I'm excited about that just because, you know, Villeneuve. Yeah, he just he knows his stuff. I mean, the fact that he made a sequel to Blade Runner, which I think kept the tone
00:53:24
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while in some ways exceeding the original. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so. Yeah, no, I thought in a lot of ways it eclipsed the original, which I know I agree. I agree. A devotee of the original. Yeah, yeah.
00:53:41
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less Anna de Armas, which is why I'm like, yeah, I'll watch that all day. I'll just be honest. The other one, somebody who just released a big picture, or, you know, just, you know, very recently, and then has another one already on deck and coming out. That surprised me and just off the dune thing, briefly, but Jorgos Lanthimos, who did poor things. He's got another one coming out here already with like Emma Stone and a bunch of the others.
00:54:07
Speaker
Really? That's correct. I mean, he's another one that is consistently interesting in terms of what he puts out. Yeah, not always like, sometimes I think it seems like his reach is exceeding his grasp, but to me- I don't think I've watched anything of his that, not all of them are great, but I don't think he has any total failures.
00:54:36
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And he knows how to get some great performances out of people as well in those films. Actually, speaking of Blade Runner, we got the news this week that we lost M. Emmett Walsh. Poor went out for one of the greatest character actors ever.
00:54:59
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Bryant. Great decks. And somebody who understood, again, a character actor, they understood the assignment and delivered no matter the amount of screen time. You can watch him in something like that. And you remember it in all those movies. You remember him, yeah.
00:55:18
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, definitely. Even in something like, uh, Calvary, the movie with Brendan Gleason, and he plays the old author that's living in there, you know, he's... Yeah, yeah. Oh, I forgot about that. I, you know, it was quite recent as well. Or, um, uh, Blood Simple. Well, yeah, Blood Simple, where he's the, yeah, he's the contract killer that's this unrelenting menace.
00:55:38
Speaker
Yeah, like out of no country for old men, but Emmett Walsh. But it's just this doughy white guy, middle-aged white guy? Yeah.
The Communal Cinema Experience
00:55:47
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Which works. Oh yeah, he makes it work, right? Totally works. Yeah, every time he showed up, it was always like, oh, it's Emmett Walsh, and people are who?
00:55:57
Speaker
Like, well, I know he goes to them. Yeah. And that M. Emmett is really difficult to say too. But it's worth it. Yeah. It's worth effort. Yeah. Very well, I think, yes. I think so. I think that worked pretty well. That Lanthamos movie that's coming out is called Kinds of Kindness.
00:56:17
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kinds of kindness. Supposed to be coming out this summer, so. I like it. Yeah. Hopefully it will have more furious jumping. I believe that's what she called. Oh, and it's an anthology as well. Yeah. So it'll be, that could be fun. Yeah. Or at least, at least entertaining, right? At least entertaining. I mean, yeah, we're going to have to pick up on another episode about
00:56:48
Speaker
You know, that last one, because boy, poor things was something. Right. Yeah. I mean, the way it looked, story, the places he went with that story. Yeah, you know, you know, and when I went to go see it in the cinema, it was it was pretty full because there's like a preview. Oh, screening.
00:57:18
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And, uh, so, so everybody goes to those, most of them are, don't know what it's about. They're just like, Oh, well, you know, it's free. And, you know, and, uh, the audience were just rapturous. I mean, we were talking earlier about audience reactions. This was amazing. And I thought, yeah, everybody here seems to really get it. And then people were talking when they left the cinema.
00:57:43
Speaker
You know, I love that, by the way. Yes, same. When you move a movie and everybody is kind of just like, just chattering about it. Well, you know, that's a good counter to close the episode on. We started with what annoys you. What do you like? You know, what are the benefits? You know, what do you like about that? Yeah, that for me, that reaction that you're just talking about, that was the same thing with Barbie last summer.
00:58:10
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Right. Right. Oh, I mean, everybody was wearing pink. Everybody was talking about it coming out. And by everybody, I mean, there's different, you know, groups of like, you know, 15 year old boys that had gone to see it together. You know, that's like, that's not the target demo, but it is the target demo. Right. Uh, you know, that sort of thing had every age. There were people that were old, you know,
00:58:33
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family together, I could see younger kids. And it was a riot. And it seemed to hit with everyone. I mean, I was I, you know what? I can't think of a movie where I laughed out loud as much in the last 10 years. I mean, right. Yeah. Was blown away. First 20 minutes, I was just in hysterics. I got all of the references and yeah, it was so funny.
00:59:01
Speaker
Yeah. And that's the thing, you know, you're not getting that at home. Not that same way, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like cat laughter. I mean, there's the thing, you know, like Nolan and, uh, I always say via Nueve, but is that not how you pronounce Denny's, uh, last name? I don't know. Um, Bill Noove. All right. Uh, we'll go with that as well. As long as we're consistent, I don't care. Uh,
00:59:29
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You know, their thing about the spectacle and the big screen and using up every inch of that frame, you know, which is fantastic and is, you know, very important between that and sound, especially. People are finally, I think, understanding sound editing, especially after Oppenheimer. They're like, oh, yeah. You know, kind of pointed that out as an example, right? They're like, oh, oh, yeah.
00:59:51
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Right? Agreed. And, yeah, so there's a lot more of that, though, beyond just the overwhelming technological leveling, there is that communal thing where it can be, you know, it can be, like you said, it can be a really fun communal experience, even if it's a terrible movie. Yeah, exactly.
01:00:45
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But yeah, I think we have to put a cap on it there. We have to brainstorm episode two.
01:00:54
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Two oceans.
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Two oceans.