Phenomenon

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Jeff: uh

Jeff: forrest ridaker yeah he's great um

JT Spangler: Dude, God, I love Forrest Whitaker.

JT Spangler: We'll be in Crisis, season six, episode 15, which means us more than halfway through the year. And phenomenon.

Jeff: Something like a phenomena. Something didn like a... I was listening to the LL Cool J song just to hype for this movie. And then I watched the movie. i was like, nope, not that kind of movie.

JT Spangler: Yeah, you don't need to be, you don't need to be out.

Jeff: eat No hype. Yeah.

JT Spangler: i was ah I was listening to Matt Damon talk about the the Odyssey with ah on a podcast. And he's like he's like, sometimes the actor, he's like, usually if you're shitty and you're an actor, it's your fault.

Jeff: Yeah.

JT Spangler: But sometimes it's not your fault. Sometimes you don't know what movie you're in. And he was telling a story about working with freaking Steven Soderbergh. And he was like giving this big courtroom speech. And it was like gay he was like getting all emotional.

JT Spangler: And then like the whole cast was watching him. And we got done. he was like, whew. And Soderbergh was like, no. What do you mean no?

Jeff: no not wrong tone

JT Spangler: It was real shit right there. I was getting emotional. He's like, no. He's like, you're in the wrong movie. He's like, that's not this moment.

Jeff: yeah

JT Spangler: He's like, this guy is thrilled that everyone's looking at him. He's not sad at all. And Matt Damon was like, oh, okay, right. And then he was like, the wrong movie. I just redid it.

Jeff: yeah do it again take two um

JT Spangler: Yeah.

Jeff: Yeah, man. that So I didn't remember a lot of this movie. I remembered the part we did from the thing where he tells him to spend the guy's toupee.

JT Spangler: Yeah.

Jeff: And I remember her shaving him, but I didn't remember too much else.

JT Spangler: Yeah, dude, this is, I think I liked this movie more than everybody because I remembered all of it.

Jeff: um Some of it was coming back and dude, the cast was great.

JT Spangler: Yeah.

Jeff: Um,

JT Spangler: Even the beginning, it's like a freaking slow shot, like through the maple leaves with the sun streaming in, like the Thomas Newman, like orchestral scores coming in. i was like, I remember this part. All of this shit I remember.

Jeff: Well, wait, I wrote down exactly how long my kids made it. Two minutes and 33 seconds.

JT Spangler: Yeah.

Jeff: And then they were out because the slow moving cameras scene with a kitten through the pasture. They're like, ah do I have to watch this with you?

JT Spangler: Yeah.

Jeff: i'm saying No, ah you don't.

JT Spangler: No, they're not trying to sit through the 90s movie openings.

Jeff: No, no. Yeah. and Do they do the same thing with like the old Disney movies where they have the credits in the beginning? It's like a storybook opens and it's like flipping through nine pages.

JT Spangler: Yeah.

Jeff: They're like, don't want to watch this. Fast forward.

JT Spangler: Well, wasn't it...

Jeff: Right.

JT Spangler: um Was it, I feel like it was f freaking George Lucas for Star Wars that put the credits at the end and he wasn't allowed to do it through the union, but he was like, dude, I can't, I don't want to, and don't want to fuck up the ending.

JT Spangler: He's like, so he just paid fines.

Jeff: Right.

JT Spangler: And i think it was that movie that was the first time people were like, we could just do the credits later. We don't have to do nine minutes of credits to open the movie.

Jeff: That's great. That was whoever, if that really was George.

Jeff: Like five different studios that are all trying to say that it's their movie. It's a Michael Bay production. ah Don Simpson production. It's syncope films presents directed by, I'm like, all right, just get on with it.

JT Spangler: Yeah. It's a spike.

JT Spangler: Well, we try to, watch even we watch, uh, when we try to watch Mary Poppins, same thing with my son.

Jeff: Wait, what?

JT Spangler: He's like, when is the, when does it start? It's like, hold on a minute. We got a lot of, lot stuff.

Jeff: When's the poppins coming? Because this is interminable. um

JT Spangler: Yeah. Like when do they do?

Jeff: Yeah, this one had a long intro. Two minutes, 33 seconds. Yeah. Okay.

Jeff: yeah

JT Spangler: um But I've always really this movie and I was excited to do it.

Jeff: um

JT Spangler: And I remembered why I really liked it.

Jeff: is So is that, what I mean, I liked it too in my head and I've remembered um the soundtrack being the jam and had that Crazy Love Van Morrison song by Aaron Neville.

JT Spangler: Yeah.

Jeff: marlahe And then they had ah the Babyface Eric Clapton song.

JT Spangler: Yeah.

Jeff: It was great. And I remembered liking it.

JT Spangler: Every day.

Jeff: um But then when we picked it, I was like, a second, I don't remember any of this. It was weird. It's weird.

JT Spangler: Yeah. Dude, hit me with the synopsis. Yeah.

Jeff: George Malley, a beloved auto mechanic in, uh, Northern California town. He was from California, right? Cause they were going to Berkeley and San Francisco. So they're California.

JT Spangler: Yes.

Jeff: Yeah.

JT Spangler: Yes.

Jeff: Yeah. Um, struck by a brilliant light and wakes up, uh, with impossible abilities, super intelligence, accelerated learning, uh, telekinesis, Kyle.

Jeff: Uh, and at first he uses it to help people. Uh, but then fear, suspicion, government attention, all of that, um, turns into a standard man with powers movie and they it got to something much sadder.

JT Spangler: Yeah. $32 million dollars budget, which makes sense because it was just people walking around a town.

Jeff: I think.

JT Spangler: ah And then $152 million. Gross.

Jeff: Yeah.

JT Spangler: The number 12 movie of 19 behind First Wives Club and had A Head of Scream.

Jeff: I did.

Jeff: Ooh, nice. Nice. Then this did pretty well. What was, where was the town from Doc Hollywood? Was that in California? This reminded me of that.

JT Spangler: It was in California, but I don't remember where in California.

Jeff: they were It was that feel for me. And I like, I like that small town look.

JT Spangler: and So I think doc hollywood was the

Jeff: It's a nice setting for a movie.

JT Spangler: it was supposed to be in like South Carolina. So he didn't make it to Hollywood yet.

Jeff: Oh.

Jeff: Oh, yeah then never mind. But I guess small towns are the same everywhere.

JT Spangler: Yeah, dude, it it had that small town feel. If I know anything, ah if I learned anything from country music, it's that small towns are all the same.

Jeff: Yeah. Yeah. That's why you you just take the road less traveled. Stop at Radiator Springs whenever you can. Route 66.

JT Spangler: Yeah.

Jeff: Awards, it got... um

Jeff: So there's seven wins and eight nominations. There's a Saturn award nominations, MTV nominations for John Travolta and stuff like that. um The soundtrack, the single dude that I can remember changed the world with Eric Clapton.

Jeff: and That was like it won Grammy for record of the year and song of the year. um That was all over that summer.

JT Spangler: Yeah.

Jeff: Didn't this come out in the summer? When did this come out?

JT Spangler: Yeah, it came out in July.

Jeff: Summer.

JT Spangler: and i can i remember

Jeff: Yeah, it was all over.

JT Spangler: I remember the video was like freaking Babyface and Eric Clapton like sitting back to back on a bench like playing acoustic guitar. And I think it was like one of those videos that was cut with scenes from the movie.

Jeff: Nice. That was my favorite part of Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves, that Bryan Adams song had clips from the movie.

JT Spangler: Yeah. Yeah.

Jeff: And I love that.

JT Spangler: Yeah.

Jeff: um ah the Do you remember the Babyface unplugged thing where he brought Eric Clapton out and and Babyface sang the song instead of Eric Clapton?

JT Spangler: Yeah.

Jeff: And Eric Clapton just did the the solo? That was that was awesome. That was a way better version.

JT Spangler: Yeah, man.

Jeff: I mean, I like what Mr. Bruce Beard sings, but I want i want it to be better. Baby face.

JT Spangler: Dude, no shade on Eric Clapton, but I like the babyface sing version better.

Jeff: Yeah, absolutely. um Sequels or spinoffs. Did you see that made for TV thing? Phenomenon 2.

JT Spangler: No. I did not. I did not see that.

Jeff: Oh man. So it's, ah it's on YouTube. You should go check it out. I was back in 2003. um It was supposed to be like a pilot for a television series, which didn't get picked up. um It's better that it didn't get picked up. This is so being a standalone movie. It's better for that.

Jeff: So it's good that they didn't keep making the TV show. It was pretty bad. I didn't make it through like the first 15 minutes. It was bad.

JT Spangler: Yeah.

Jeff: I mean, there's also an Enforced Whitaker, so.

JT Spangler: I didn't know that didn know that existed and I'm not gonna go watch it.

Jeff: Well, if you're sitting on the toilet and you got 15 minutes, you should pull it up on YouTube because it's bad. Yeah.

JT Spangler: Yeah, ah my visits, I mean, not they may take 15 minutes, but I certainly cannot pull my phone out because I usually have a four-year-old standing right there, like climbing on my knees, going like, I want to be here with you while you're in the bathroom.

JT Spangler: I'm like, dude, could you not throw off my balance?

Jeff: I like the fingers under the door.

JT Spangler: even Yeah.

Jeff: yeah ah That's awesome.

JT Spangler: Do you remember seeing

Jeff: ah So where'd you see it?

JT Spangler: i don't i don't remember if i I don't remember where I the first time.

Jeff: Yeah, I rented it.

JT Spangler: I think I rented it too, but this is like, I had in my notes what as I was watching, i'm like, this is exactly the type of movie that I wanted to do the podcast for, because i don't need I don't know if it's like a great movie or if it's an important movie or if it's a well-remembered movie, but I personally always really liked it and I like watching it.

JT Spangler: took me right back to being like a high school student in my parents' house. I like, I remember what the carpet felt like when I was laying on it, watching the movie. Like, I remember what my family was doing in other rooms while I was watching the movie.

Jeff: Yeah.

JT Spangler: Like it just, to for whatever reason, that's just those that just took me right back.

Jeff: That's amazing. I love that when songs do that and movies do that, dude, that's, that's amazing. Mine was totally a rental, but I knew the soundtrack first because that song was frigging everywhere.

JT Spangler: Yeah.

Jeff: So I knew that first.

JT Spangler: What you, how'd you rate it Since I don't think you're as necessary for it as I am.

Jeff: so what you Yeah. Yeah. i um this hit square in the sevens for me. um I wanted to give it a seven, but since we're not allowed to do sevens, um I really, the acting was really good. And I like how they didn't explain stuff like,

Jeff: um the when they try to like give a reason for all the supernatural stuff and try to fully explain it. I sometimes don't like that. I like to leave it open and let your imagination fill those gaps. ah So I bumped it up to an eight since I couldn't give it a seven. um It's a nineties melodrama. um I like it. It lands pretty hard. If you like that warm melodrama stuff.

Jeff: So I gave it an eight, say eight, say eight.

JT Spangler: Yeah, I, um, it's got a really good cast. I really liked the director. I really liked the music. I really liked this type of John Travolta. The soundtrack is freaking slams. Every day is a winding road.

JT Spangler: I've got to touch crazy love changed the world. Um,

Jeff: Yeah.

JT Spangler: I love it, man. I've always loved it. I don't even know why. And I know the end is weird. And like, I wish I had a better ending for it. But like, I kind of don't. I mean, I could probably watch it's two hours long.

JT Spangler: I probably could watch the first 90 minutes and then leave and go do other stuff. I'd be fine. But um I like it, man.

Jeff: Wait, wait, what what kind of ending do you want?

JT Spangler: I don't know, but the ending just seems like it didn't tonally fit with the rest of the movie. Like from the time when ah the surgeon like gets a judge to convince him to give the guy brain surgery against his wishes. He's like, yeah, he's not able to make that. That's not how that shit works. Yeah.

JT Spangler: Like, if you're 37 and you say no thank you on brain surgery, a judge is not going to go, no, do it anyway.

Jeff: Right, right, right.

JT Spangler: It's fine. Like, and then the freaking FBI searching for it. All that shit was weird to me, and I never liked it. Like, him going and, like, freaking having sex with Keira Kedrick under the oak tree, I like.

Jeff: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

JT Spangler: That's fine. But, like, the whole, like, everyone's out to get him, like, the future is strange.

Jeff: That's awesome. um Yeah, I get that. So where'd you rate it

JT Spangler: But anyway, ah I've always really liked this movie. I gave it an eight. I thought about at eight and a half because of how good the soundtrack is, but I i figured the soundtrack and the ending can't put each other out. And ah by the way, as much as this movie made money, people did not like it.

Jeff: Nice.

JT Spangler: It's got like frigging 40% on ah Rotten Tomatoes. 41% on The Critic, 49% on Rotten Tomatoes.

Jeff: oof Oh, I didn't know that.

JT Spangler: Ebert, three out of four stars. Janet Maslin,

Jeff: That's crazy.

JT Spangler: Oh, Janet Maslin's bang on with me. She's like the wrong turn during the grimness of the film's final half hour. But yeah, man, i like this is this is a fun one.

JT Spangler: i thought To me, they the most unrealistic part of the movie where a bright light turns a mechanic into a super genius who can move things with his mind is that a guy in his late 30s has that many friends.

Jeff: Oh, dude, absolutely. There's not that many people showing up at my birthday party.

JT Spangler: No, dude, he was like, he's having a birthday party at the bar and there's like kids there and his like childhood doctors there and his coworkers are there and like his black best friend is there.

Jeff: For sure.

JT Spangler: I'm like, dude, how the fuck does he have so many friends? I don't.

Jeff: Oh, man. You got to be nice to people, I guess. I don't know. I'm not doing that.

JT Spangler: Hey dude, small towns, man. I was born in a small town. I was raised in a small town.

Jeff: Yeah. Small towns.

JT Spangler: What's the other part? Whatever that guy says. Um,

Jeff: John Cougar, Mellencamp, Finkelstein, Billy Bob, Joe Agnes, Morehead.

JT Spangler: Yeah. Yeah, dude, let's do best. What's your first best?

Jeff: um First best scene is, this isn't in any order, but um he is... um The doctor, Robert Duvall, Robbins, Rayson, Harry, um he gets somebody to call for him because there's a guy that just came in that was speaking Portuguese and nobody spoke Portuguese. And they couldn't find this kid that was sick. So he learned Portuguese in 20 minutes on the way there.

Jeff: And like the the lady was like, George Malley, you learn Portuguese and the language in 20 minutes. He's like, no, not all of it. um I love that, that he can like just study it on the way. And the the seismologist was in the truck watching him do the thing.

Jeff: ah That's great. That's really awesome.

JT Spangler: That's my second scene. George learns Portuguese. He's like there's like the doc, Robert Duvall. He's like, go get George Malley, tell him to go to the library, get a book about Portuguese. He's got to, we got to learn how to ask this guy where his grandson went.

JT Spangler: And dude, he's just like flipping through the book while the other guy's driving the truck.

Jeff: yeah

JT Spangler: And then he gets there, he's just like, just full on, just speaking Portuguese to the guy. Yeah. um I also love that. But then he finds the the the grandfather's like, well, Brigado, whatever, kid sick. And yeah, and then he's like tricking Luke Skywalker in the pile of wood. And then they find the kid up in the tree. And so like he saves the but then everyone's starting to get really weirded out because George is not just way smarter. He's doing shit that no one understands. That's the part of the small town I can confirm. If you start doing shit that people don't understand, they are not into it.

Jeff: They don't like it. They don't like it one bit.

JT Spangler: Yeah. like Dude, get out of here with your medicine that works. We don't want that.

Jeff: Somebody back us up a truckload full of thoughts and prayers. We'll just use that. um

JT Spangler: That's a good one. My first question.

Jeff: so so what what's your first one?

JT Spangler: My first one is after ah he he goes to his birthday party. Everyone in town is there. Everyone loves this guy. He goes outside and he's like sees a freaking whatever bright light and he's like almost falls down on the street.

JT Spangler: And then he goes – he comes back in the bar and he's telling everybody, he's like, did anybody hear that? Like you guys see that light? Everyone's like, no, don't know what you're talking about. And he's like, did you hear – did you feel it? And it's – and ah And nobody has any clue what he's talking about. But they're like asking him questions. and're like, man, George sure is drunk. And like, well, did you, like you fell over? He's like, yes. Well, you must have been really drunk. And he, so in Doc, Robert Duvall is teaching him how to play chess.

JT Spangler: This guy is an auto mechanic. He is not a rocket scientist. And he just, so he's like, walk over to the chess board while he's explaining about the light.

Jeff: Right.

JT Spangler: And he's like moving the chess pieces. And Robert Duvall is like, now George, hold on a second. You need to pay attention to what you're doing here. And he's, and as he's like describing the light, he's just like, is that checkmate? I think that's checkmate. And then everyone's did you let him win? He's like, I didn't let him win.

JT Spangler: But I love that it – first of all, it happened early in the movie.

Jeff: Yeah.

JT Spangler: We don't have to wait a long time for him to get smart. And then we immediately see the effects. He got very smart, and he's beaten Doc at chess. ah And I was like, dude, that's such a great way to set up what's going to happen in this movie.

Jeff: i Yeah, I freaking love how he beats him in chess and how at the very end, Robert Duvall's teaching the the young kid to play chess also. Nice nice circle. Dude, i that's a really good scene as well.

Jeff: um I don't know how do you how do you convince somebody. Like, yeah you know, sometimes I try to put myself in the character's shoes and be like, all right, what the what the heck? I don't know how you convince everybody that it's okay and...

Jeff: Like you said, small towns, those people, they're not down with it anyway. They're going to be upset.

JT Spangler: I know, um

Jeff: Regardless.

JT Spangler: Me being who I am, if an alien came down and made me really smart and I had telekinesis, I wouldn't tell anyone. ah wouldn't be out at the state fair and in sunglasses around while the news cameras are on

Jeff: i

JT Spangler: That is a great way to go live with the NSA forever. would be, I would keep that shit a secret.

Jeff: Yeah. Well, I'm glad you brought that up because my next scene, you know, he cracks the code, the Morse code that he hears over the thing for the FBI, some kind of training thing with missile launching.

Jeff: So when the FBI actually catches him, he gets, he's going to be tested by the FBI, ah which again, this is the second movie in a row with your boy.

JT Spangler: Yeah.

Jeff: What's, ah what's data's name in real life? um The doctor that asked him all the questions, Spiner, Brett, Brett,

JT Spangler: Yeah. Brent's better.

Jeff: Prince minor, Prince minor. Um, he's asking him all the questions and he wants to record him. And of course, John Travolta is like, ah man, more tests. This is sucky. i don't like this.

Jeff: Um, so then he starts asking for specifics. Um, I freaking love that. I, that whole back and forth. I didn't know. I wanted to put it in my quotes um because he starts asking him stuff and he's like, um okay, if a person is born in 1928, how old are they?

Jeff: He's like, man or woman. And he's like, what, what, why why he's like specifics bobs he's like okay if a man born in 1928 is he is he still alive okay what month all right what time like where was he born and then he breaks it all down i freaking love that just smarter than the doctor smarter than all the people um the alien tumor

JT Spangler: Yeah, he's they're trying to give him the IQ test. And I've seen like that, ah that scene I've like seen on Instagram, somebody's like that does like 90s movies clips is like in my algorithm feeding me shit and my I'm just fucking slamming like on it.

JT Spangler: ah But he's, he's like, be he's like, be specific, doc. He's like, is what does it matter what time? he goes He goes, well, he's like, if a man was born in California in October 7, 1928, right now he'd be 67 years, nine months. He grabs the doctor, looks at his watch.

JT Spangler: In 12 hours. If he's born in New York, he'd be three hours older now, wouldn't he?

Jeff: Yeah, that's thats that's money. That's so money.

JT Spangler: And then he has him like...

Jeff: i um I had to pick that one.

JT Spangler: another way he He also has them, he's like, name as many mammals as you can in 60 seconds. He's like, hmm, like mammals. He's like, how about Alphabet?

Jeff: Yeah.

JT Spangler: He's like, Aardvark, whatever. I've already lost it. I can't even get to B. But he does baboon, caribou. But, like, he goes through the whole thing.

Jeff: Dolphin.

JT Spangler: And he gets to the end. He's like, I don't know.

Jeff: Dolphin.

JT Spangler: it's He's like, Newfoundland's a stretch. That's a dog breed. He's like, and you hippos, prehistoric. he's like He's like saying, he's like, a couple of them I had, kind of had a unicorns mythical, you hippos.

Jeff: Yeah.

JT Spangler: I don't know if I can.

Jeff: Unicorn. and That's mythical. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yeah

JT Spangler: But and like the doctor, he finishes his explanation and the doctor's like, oh shit.

Jeff: It's great.

JT Spangler: And he has to stop his stopwatch because he's completely just flabbering.

Jeff: I love that. i love when people show that they're super smart.

JT Spangler: that seems um That scene is really entertaining to me.

Jeff: i don't want a tumor though.

JT Spangler: And I also like, ah and not the IQ test, but like after that, he's the FBI has him locked up. They let Forrest Whitaker go. He's not a super genius. He's just a farmer who likes Diana Ross.

JT Spangler: And then, but like Travolta's like, it's...

Jeff: Yeah. Boy, does he. Yeah.

JT Spangler: His performance is so good with the FBI guys. Like, and like maybe you want to do some work like over with us. He's like, what's what even is the intelligence? He's like, I just want to go home.

JT Spangler: Like he's a, he plays it so well.

Jeff: Yeah.

JT Spangler: but Dude, i don't know. I just like Travolta in this. He's like, put on some weight.

Jeff: Yeah.

JT Spangler: Like he's a plays this like, so like mild mannered guy who gets thrust into the situation beyond his control really well. It's just, to I think it's a really great Travolta performance. I know he gets a lot of love for fricking Saturday Night Fever in greece and Grease and Pulp Fiction, but like this, this is really good.

Jeff: No, I totally get it. Yeah, I'm i'm with you. he He kills it in this. um So what's your third one?

JT Spangler: That was my third one. Yeah.

Jeff: Oh, that was your third one. My third one is when... um

Jeff: Robert Duvall comes into his hospital room because he sees the light again and passes out or whatever. And they're um they have him in the hospital and um he brings in the two friends to help him tell him.

Jeff: um The way Forrest Whitaker is upset while Robert Duvall is telling him ah was killing me.

Jeff: that dude played it so well that I was getting upset also. um He, um it was good, dude. I, that the whole time I was like, this doesn't seem like a scene I would want to pick.

Jeff: ah But just like we always say, like art's make you supposed to make you feel stuff. Man, Forrest Whitaker and his frigging left eye ptosis was making me ah feel all the feels and I had to put it down. So um thumbs up to Forrest Whitaker on that one.

JT Spangler: Yeah, man, that was great. i like ah Forrest Whitaker is fantastic, pretty much always, but in this movie particularly, like he's just like the doctors tells him...

JT Spangler: he's like, hey, that it's a we figured it out. It's not an alien. It's a brain tumor. um He's like, it's not really operable. It's all over the place. And then Forrest Whitaker's like, is there anything I can do for He's like yes. He's like, I want you to plant corn in your Southern 40. He's like, don't rotate it. Give it like three or five years. He's like, I promise i know you don't think it'll, but I promise you it'll grow.

JT Spangler: And he's just like, okay, he's getting all choked up. He's leaving. That shit was powerful. And then for some reason, his girlfriend that he'd never actually kissed got to be the one who told him he wasn't going to live very long, which seemed like not the way doctors would do that.

Jeff: Yeah. hour

Jeff: Yeah. um well Maybe she went to the judge and got an injunction and then she was allowed to say it.

JT Spangler: Yeah.

Jeff: Possibly. Yeah.

JT Spangler: Yeah, dude, that's a good one. I um i didn't... i mean, on the rewatch, because I haven't seen this in probably, I don't know, 15 or 20 years, I couldn't figure out why... Like the relationship between George Malley and Lace, John Travolta and Kira Sedgwick's characters.

JT Spangler: Like he was a nice guy, but he was clearly like, just kind of stalking her. She was a single mom and she was like pretty clearly not into it at all. And then like later on, he came to her house to die. And I was like, I feel like I've missed some steps for this.

Jeff: It's the nineties, man. We're lucky he didn't go all the way across the country to Seattle to watch him with his kids. I don't, you know i'm saying? Like, this is how it was. she just You just, you don't take no for an answer. no means come back in just a little bit and try again, do something weird, buy all of her chairs or something.

Jeff: It's a you know, it's the notebook and all that stuff.

JT Spangler: Dude, I love, I almost put that scene in when, ah so after George died and then the doc goes to the bar and like George's coworkers and stuff are like, they're trying to like make light of him because they they don't understand what's happened. And so they're like, yeah, they're like, he was, he was probably crazy, man. He probably, maybe he like did, it was like a magic trick. That's how he broke that mirror.

JT Spangler: And then, and dude's like asking Doc and do he's Robert Duvall is getting freaking angry.

Jeff: Yeah.

JT Spangler: And he was great in that scene, Robert Duvall. He's like throwing the beer glass to people. he's like yelling.

Jeff: Yeah. Yeah.

JT Spangler: yeah Just about like, you know, you you just, you want to tear him down just because you don't understand what happened. And like George was was nothing but great. He didn't ask anybody for anything. He wasn't trying to sell anything. He just was, he just wanted to be left alone. Yeah.

JT Spangler: ah But that was the scene where he was talking about, did you ever buy your girls chairs? He's like, wait a minute. She doesn't make chairs. Like every woman has chairs. George bought her chairs.

JT Spangler: He did that before. He was already smart. It's like, why don't you go buy your girls some chairs?

Jeff: Yeah. Yeah.

JT Spangler: Whatever her thing is.

Jeff: fine Yeah. Find Lisa's chairs. Yeah.

JT Spangler: Yeah.

Jeff: Buy her chairs.

JT Spangler: I forgot. I'd forgotten about that part. I was like, dad, this is really

Jeff: Yeah. That part was well-written.

Jeff: All right. You to quotes?

JT Spangler: Yeah, my first quote is the one from the ah trailer where the seismologist comes to talk to him and Forrest Whitaker is just freaking just throwing it out there. why don't you move someone with your mind? He's like maybe move his – he's like putting his point at the guy's toupee from behind his head and he's like, stop telling people to move something with my mind. That's – you got to be inside the circle of trust for that.

Jeff: that's yeah he was just telling everybody

JT Spangler: I remember that crystal clear in moment.

Jeff: I like how he didn't say to pay and didn't say anything he was just like maybe you can move something you know like maybe and then just point it was great that was great

JT Spangler: No. it

Jeff: Uh, yeah, dude. So my first one was in there was the, um, well, let's get specific, Bob. I mean, the guy's still alive, born in California, October 3rd, 1928, 10 PM. He's 67 years, nine months, 22 days, 14 hours and 12 minutes. If he was born in New York, he's three hours older. And now isn't he?

Jeff: Um, that really you're i like, I'm so glad I forgot that scene because when I watched it again, it made me that much happier.

Jeff: Um, It was really good. And that's that's why i yeah I threw it in my quotes too.

JT Spangler: Yeah, that's a great one. I like it. My ah next one is ah he's finally convinced Kira Sedgwick to have him over for dinner. and ah And because he picked her kids up and like they went and picked wildflowers.

JT Spangler: And ah after he's predicted the earthquake and like... And he's telling her at the dinner table, he's like, hey, he's like, hey, he's like I think, ah he's like, this is good. I think you're a good cook. And she's like, oh, he's like, well, thank you. She's like, I only really can make two things, you know, kind of okay. He's like, I can make turkey and I can make pork chops.

JT Spangler: And he just looks through, he's like, which one is this?

Jeff: that was my next quote too dude i love it love it

JT Spangler: Yeah.

Jeff: oh man that dude uh it's reminds me of uh life with mikey with oh i love that song me too what were you playing

JT Spangler: Yeah. What's your ah third one, if that's your second?

Jeff: Um, yeah, my third one is, um, it's kind of sappy, but it's the part where, um, he knows he's dying. She's already shaved him and gave a haircut and washed his hair, uh, all sensual like, um, and then they went outside where the kids couldn't hear him and, did it under an oak tree.

Jeff: Um, and then he was like, ah will you love me for the rest of my life?

JT Spangler: Mm-hmm.

Jeff: And she goes, no, I'm going to love you for the rest of mine. I don't know. I kind of liked it It's kind of sappy, but I liked it.

JT Spangler: Yeah, that's a great line. I thought about that one um because it is it's a very memorable line. my ah I liked it there. First of all, I like the...

JT Spangler: in the movies, like she's like shaving them and freaking like music's all soft. And I was just trying to imagine, my wife was doing that. It would be like the f freaking ring light right up against me.

JT Spangler: Like very businesslike, like hold still. God damn it. Uh,

JT Spangler: it would not be like that.

Jeff: yes cat would totally check to see if the insurance is paid up before she started shaving me just in case just in case

JT Spangler: Also, she asked before she shaved him, she was like, up or down? was like, what kind of fucking psycho shaves up the face?

Jeff: yeah that was a good dude it depends on which way your beard grows doesn't it i don't know like one side of my face no the up here is down but over here is up

JT Spangler: Anyone's beard?

JT Spangler: and yeah I mean, on the underside, but she was like at his sideburns. Everybody there is going down. Anyway. the ah

Jeff: Yeah, that

JT Spangler: My quote was from the scene you were talking about earlier where it's like, George Malley, did you learn the Portuguese language in 20 minutes? And he goes, not all of it.

Jeff: yeah that was great. That was really great.

JT Spangler: I also liked, and I thought about doing it because in the beginning of the movie when he's just a regular mechanic, he's like trying to learn Spanish.

Jeff: That was great.

JT Spangler: And he's like, Ventana, Ventana. He's like flipping through the thing. And then like the American guy's like window. He's like, shut up. I'm looking at it. And then he gets ah he gets struck by it.

JT Spangler: And then, like, the next day, he's, like, freaking full-on just talking to Tito in Spanish, like, just rambling off. And then after that, Tito and the other guy that he works with, Lance or whatever, and Lance says Tito, he's like, now he speaks Spanish better than me now. And Tito goes, better than me, too.

Jeff: Yeah, dude, I like Tito. i He was in other stuff, I'm pretty sure, because I feel like I've seen him before. um He was freaking super funny.

JT Spangler: Dude, you definitely...

Jeff: I think he was in, I want to say he was the guy, not not to be complete six degrees.

JT Spangler: He was in Tremors.

Jeff: Yeah, i was going to say Tremors, right?

JT Spangler: Yeah.

Jeff: And that's easy to get to Tremors from here to get to Kevin Bacon, but there's another way you can get to Kevin Bacon through through this, and that's through Keira Sedgwick.

JT Spangler: Yeah.

Jeff: Because, yeah, they've been married for a bit. um I totally remembered him from that. I think he was in... um the uh what the richie valance uh la bamba i think he was in that too way back in the gap because i used to watch that every time it came on what yeah nice i like that guy i like that guy he he didn't make my characters but i like him

JT Spangler: you Yeah, he was.

JT Spangler: Yeah, me too.

JT Spangler: Me neither. This is a well-written movie, man. There's a lot of good lot of good lines in there. There's a lot of funny parts.

Jeff: yeah you had your characters

JT Spangler: All right, what's ah yeah what's your first character? Yeah.

Jeff: Dude, I picked John Travolta. I thought um it like

Jeff: it's not as creepy as we make it sound when we're like, yeah, and she's a single mom and we're going at he's constantly coming after her. I think the reason it doesn't feel creepy um is John Travolta. like He's the reason it works. I think he's got like...

Jeff: it feels like he was open to the role and he just, I don't know, like I felt earnest when he did it. um And he sells the idea of a simple guy that's ah knows the beauty of the universe now and is overwhelmed by it.

Jeff: And I freaking love that.

JT Spangler: Yeah, he did not shoplift the pootie from a single mother.

Jeff: thought he did a great job.

JT Spangler: As Rod Tidwell says later in this year, Jerry Maguire.

Jeff: Yes. Yes.

JT Spangler: I really like John Travolta, man. I feel like if you asked me favorite actors, i i would get through a lot of people before I thought of John Travolta.

Jeff: Who's your first?

JT Spangler: But when I look at his filmography, I'm like, dude, there's a lot of movies on here i really like.

Jeff: Yeah. sames samesiess yeah

JT Spangler: And like like, look who's talking, and then Pulp Fiction, and then Get Shorty, and then this, and Broken Arrow, and Michael, and Face Off, and Primary. All that's in like a five-year span.

JT Spangler: Those are all movies I really like.

Jeff: yeah yeah do you remember what's the one where he was supposed to be like a Clinton guy primary colors ooh we gotta do that one that was filmed around here that's awesome I forgot about that one forgot about that

JT Spangler: And then even in... Yeah, Primary Colors. That's 98. 98.

JT Spangler: Yes, it was. And then ah even in the 2000s, it's like freaking Swordfish and Ladder 49 and whatever. Like, there's a... He's just got a bunch of stuff. John Travolta's...

JT Spangler: Especially in the man.

Jeff: yeah

JT Spangler: There's a bunch of stuff. and And I love him in this. I think he's great in this.

Jeff: Yeah, he's doing it. He's doing it up. Is that your first person?

JT Spangler: Yeah, he is number one for me. And number two for me is Forrest Whitaker.

Jeff: Dude, Nate Pope, Forest Whitaker, George's best friend. He's like...

Jeff: I don't know. It feels like he can give the way I wrote it down as he was loyal and could show pain, but he didn't overdo it. Like he didn't overplay it. I thought he did a really great job and freaking killed it. And man, did he have me choking up when he was getting upset when they told George.

Jeff: ah He just did a great job.

JT Spangler: He's awesome, man. And I didn't realize that he directed, but like, dude, he directed Waiting to Exhale, which we didn't get to last year. And he directed Hope Floats, which I hope we do get to in 98.

Jeff: Yeah, man. Yeah, he's he's great.

JT Spangler: But like, dude, I mean, he was like, I mean, he was in Bloodsport. He has an Oscar. Forrest Whitaker is freaking, is a badass.

Jeff: Yeah, everybody, i can't imagine people don't like him. The last thing I saw him in where I was like, good Lord, this dude can act. The last King of Scotland, um where he is opposite of Professor X.

JT Spangler: Yeah.

Jeff: I can't think of that guy's name, but um he, dude, the whole time I was watching him, i was like, golly, this dude's awesome.

JT Spangler: Yep.

Jeff: This dude's really good.

JT Spangler: Yeah, he's fantastic.

Jeff: um

JT Spangler: Who's who's your third?

Jeff: That was my second one also.

Jeff: Uh, dude. dude I hate picking all the guys. We always talk about how there's not enough ladies represented in the thing. And I wanted to pick Keira Sedgwick because I thought she did a good job, ah but not as good as Robert Duvall. I freaking love that dude's character.

Jeff: Rocking the sweater vest and the bow tie all the time. Mooning people for the birthday. How choked up he got when he was like telling the stories, like I never had my own kids and, know, You were like a son to me. And God, you just freaking killing me. um He's he's did a good, like, pragmatic, very emotional and caring performance. And I loved it.

Jeff: And he's been in a ton of stuff.

JT Spangler: I love Robert Duvall. Died earlier this year, 2026, RIP. I mean, he made it 95 years. the hell of a run. Dude, did you...

Jeff: That's pretty good. That's pretty good.

JT Spangler: Like, I'll always think of Robert Duvall from Lonesome Dove because one of my favorite books. I love the miniseries. Ah, God, Woodrow. And he's got that huge-ass bushy mustache. He's fucking fantastic in that.

JT Spangler: But, like, he was in To Kill a Mockingbird.

Jeff: yeah

JT Spangler: He was in THX 1138. I didn't even know that. And like he was in The Godfather.

Jeff: yeah he was in a ton of stuff

JT Spangler: you ne he's like He's been Oscar nominated like eight times, once, won one for Tender Mercy's in 83. He's just such a badass actor, and I love him. And he was great in this. I would have loved to have nominated more women, but there just weren't. The only really female part in this whole movie was, ah George Malley, did you learn Portuguese language in 20 minutes? That lady who had like three lines and Kira Sedgwick.

JT Spangler: So no I'm not like not recognizing the work of the female, ah the women in this movie.

Jeff: yeah

JT Spangler: They just didn't, there weren't as many of them, which is part of the problem, right? Like they're not as much, as many roles for women as there are for men.

Jeff: Right. Yeah.

JT Spangler: ah But yeah, Robert Duvall is my jam. He destroyed and I loved it.

Jeff: Yeah, yeah.

Jeff: that'sriing That's that's, those three though, I know you can't just put them in whatever, but if you put those three on screen, it's going to be good. You know what saying?

Jeff: Like they all are the consummate professionals that do all the right stuff.

JT Spangler: Yeah. if Yeah. If those three have a decent script and a decent director, it's probably going pretty good, whatever they come up with.

Jeff: Yeah. Yeah. Let's talk about the director, John Turtletaub.

JT Spangler: John Turtletop. Our guy, I was, we got to get him on the podcast because we've done three of his movies now.

Jeff: Yeah, I was going to say, we've done we did two before this, and ah for the love of God and all that is holy, i hope we do Disney's The Kid. i with Bruce Willey, I love that movie.

JT Spangler: Yeah. He did. ah He directed Cool Wings. He directed While You Were Sleeping. um He directed this. And so like you look at his like list of stuff like other than National Treasure, he does he hasn't done and maybe this movie he hasn't done so like smash hits.

Jeff: Great.

JT Spangler: But i we're going to do four or five of his movies on this podcast. And by the time we get to the next few years, we probably need to get in touch with that guy and go, dude, come talk about your movies. We're doing all of them.

Jeff: Yeah, yeah. I ah wholeheartedly agree. i'm I'm down with it because um

JT Spangler: I think the only director we've done more of on the podcast is Spielberg, which is because it's impossible to get through the 90s and not do a bunch of Spielberg.

Jeff: without doing Spielberg. Yeah. um Yeah, this dude's good.

JT Spangler: Yeah, man.

Jeff: He's really good.

JT Spangler: did ah I couldn't find much about the writer. Did you have anything about the writer?

Jeff: um I mean, I saw that he did like Message in a Bottle, um that movie with ah Costner, Kevin Costner, um that right after this. He works with Turtle Top again when he does the Cuba Gooding Jr., Anthony Hopkins one, The Instinct.

JT Spangler: instinct

Jeff: um But that's all the ones after that. I don't i don't know. I don't know any of the other ones.

JT Spangler: Yeah.

Jeff: um

JT Spangler: Yeah. Not a lot on his, uh, not a lot of stuff on there for like him, him having written this movie entirely by himself and it did well, but dude, I got it.

Jeff: He said some TV stuff, but...

JT Spangler: I have ton of stuff on the composer. I really liked Thomas Newman. Um, So, like, he's one of the most decorated composers, ah not named John Williams of, like, maybe my life. But he's got six Grammys, an Emmy, two BAFTAs. He's been nominated for 15 Oscars.

JT Spangler: And I like—we've done a bunch of his movies. um

Jeff: Jesus.

JT Spangler: But, like, because say he did, like, Shawshank Redemption. He did The Player, um Green Mile. So it's he, of on his own, is really good, and I really like this score. But I didn't know that he was the son of a famous film composer, Alfred Newman. And if you think that his 15 nominations ist is impressive, you should know that his dad was nominated 45 times and won nine Oscars.

Jeff: Damn, that's pretty ridiculous, right?

JT Spangler: and do And looking at his dad's filmography, like Wuthering Heights, Hunchback of Notre Dame, The Mask of Zorro, How Green Was My Valley, ah Love is a Many Splendored Thing, Anastasia, Diary of Anne Frank, How the West was one.

Jeff: Nice.

JT Spangler: um Oh, it dude, his dad, Alfred Newman, composed the fanfare for 20th Century Fox that plays when the studio logo comes on screen, which I can hear in my head and I know you probably can too.

Jeff: nay nice

Jeff: I was just about to start singing it. Yeah. That's freaking amazing.

JT Spangler: um but

Jeff: That's awesome.

JT Spangler: Yeah, that's wild. And then, so that's a pretty cool, famous music family. But Thomas Newman also has a brother named David Newman. Guess what he does for a living?

JT Spangler: If you said Oscar-nominated film composer, you nailed it. He did Mighty Dog Nutty Professor.

Jeff: Oh, nice. This family's all over our stuff.

JT Spangler: Dude, the family's great, but guess who Thomas Newman and David Newman's cousin is?

JT Spangler: Randy Newman.

Jeff: No idea. Randy. Oh, dude, that's freaking great. What a musical family.

JT Spangler: Yeah. Uh,

Jeff: That's amazing.

JT Spangler: Yeah, dude. and And then Thomas Newman's daughter, his adult daughter is named ah Julie Newman, and she's a composer. and She's working with Ryan Murphy on stuff. So it's like this is like freaking the Newmans as a family have won more.

Jeff: Man.

JT Spangler: I've got more Oscar nominations than anyone else in history.

Jeff: Newman.

JT Spangler: Newman.

Jeff: That's freaking great. That's great.

JT Spangler: Yeah, I was like, ah, man, I like Thomas Newman. I'm gonna go read about him.

Jeff: i didn't know I didn't know any of that.

JT Spangler: just Incredible.

Jeff: That's awesome. It's really good.

JT Spangler: ah Yeah. Do you got any more good?

Jeff: did Well, I was going to ask, did you see I read an article about it um that was ah people saying that um you know unlocking the potential of the human brain or whatever you're like the superhuman abilities uh that this is based on scientology which uh travolta is a large part of um

JT Spangler: Yeah.

Jeff: And then the guy, you know, the guy, DePeggio or whatever, however you say his name, the writer, he was like, no, no, I didn't write this with Travolta in mind. I just wrote this. It just so happens that that was the thing.

Jeff: um I don't think I knew that John Travolta was part of Scientology.

JT Spangler: I definitely knew he was a part of Scientology.

Jeff: That's...

JT Spangler: He did the movie Battlefield Earth.

Jeff: weirded

JT Spangler: but But the writer said that it was more about Zen, and there were he didn't do it with any Scientology stuff in mind, although I did see that people said that.

Jeff: Wait, is Battlefield Earth a Scientology movie?

JT Spangler: Yes.

Jeff: What? don't think I knew that. That's weird.

JT Spangler: Yeah.

Jeff: I didn't know that that was a thing.

JT Spangler: Yeah, it's based on a novel that was written by L. Ron Hubbard.

Jeff: Crazy. That's weird. um But I got no other good.

JT Spangler: yeah i think that's all I got too. What about worst? Do you have any worst?

Jeff: um I didn't like how the townspeople turned on George so quickly. i know we already talked about how it's a small town life and that's what people do.

JT Spangler: Yeah.

Jeff: um It felt like they were trying to, they turned so quickly that it was just there for, ah to manufacture the conflict that they needed. It was already two hours. So I know they needed to pick up the pace a little bit, but um I didn't like how they did that.

Jeff: I think that that was a bit of a tonal whiplash for me.

JT Spangler: Yeah.

Jeff: It was lighthearted and then it got sad. Then everybody got mad.

JT Spangler: I didn't like it, but it did feel realistic. But i kind of wished that they i wish that they had taken it in a different direction. That's why I'm saying like the last like half hour, 40 minutes of this movie. Dude, I wish that we had been, i wish it would have gone differently instead of like court ordered brain surgery and then he escapes the FBI and then he's, you know, goes and makes love under an oak tree and then dies.

Jeff: Yeah.

JT Spangler: Like I wish there was a different way out of this.

Jeff: That last part, I think that would be all right by me if that's how I was going to die. But don't like the part before that.

JT Spangler: Acorns all over there.

Jeff: ah I'm kneeling on an acorn. You're killing me. Yeah.

JT Spangler: I like how the 90s is totally fine for him him, who is basically a stranger to just pick her kids up and put them in his truck with no car seat and take them home.

Jeff: Yeah. um

JT Spangler: And they're just like out playing in a field with frigging working barbed wire and I'm sure like guns and knives and shit.

Jeff: Oh, it's a small town, man. Try that in a small town. Just try that in small town. um How'd you feel about the telekinesis effects? I thought that they looked all right.

Jeff: Yeah.

JT Spangler: I thought they were fine. I like that. I remember the speech of him talking about, he's like, it's not really, he's like, I could say that it's a command, but I'm not really, it's a partnership. He's like, it's a dance. He's like, we're all made out of the same stuff.

JT Spangler: And doctor's like, wood?

Jeff: Yeah.

JT Spangler: He's like energy.

Jeff: Glorians, you idiot. God, how could you be so dumb?

JT Spangler: Yeah, no, I like i like the telekinesis effects. thought they were totally fine. And there's that's really all the effects there are.

Jeff: Yeah, they were. Yeah, that's it. That's it. What about having to physically go to, thinking I was thinking about old tech, having to physically go to a library, go to the stacks of physical encyclopedias to learn about agriculture and science and like having to actually do that. that's

JT Spangler: Yeah.

Jeff: These people don't know nowadays.

JT Spangler: Yeah. And I mean, especially since we're the last generation that's going to be literate, I don't know how that's going to work in the future.

Jeff: I think what you need to do is lower the bar for what literacy means.

JT Spangler: Yeah.

Jeff: Because these kids that I teach can read the words and they can say them out loud. They don't get them all. They don't pronounce them all correctly, but they'll say them out loud. But then at the end of that paragraph, you ask them what it's about. They have no idea.

Jeff: They're just literally saying the words out loud.

JT Spangler: Nice. yeah

Jeff: Horrible.

JT Spangler: ah Hooray. the ah I liked how he was... ah His idea was like, hey, their library's doing their fair. And he's like, I'm a pretty big deal at the library.

JT Spangler: And I was like i was thinking, i'm like are you a big deal at the library if you just check out a lot of books? Do they even give a shit? I mean, I guess they do. They want you to check the books out. But like, George said we should set up a table.

Jeff: what

JT Spangler: We probably should listen. He's important. His library card is the same as everyone else's. He's costing you more money.

Jeff: hu Dude, maybe he is one of the only few people that actually checks out books because normally a library is just where homeless people go to make BM.

JT Spangler: And use the Wi-Fi. Yeah, I'm sure.

Jeff: or whatever peterta griffinson

JT Spangler: they

JT Spangler: ah

Jeff: and

JT Spangler: questions. Is it okay for kids? I think your kids told us that it's, they're allowed to watch it. They just don't want to.

Jeff: Right. They are like two hours and four minutes. ah The whole first beginning part felt like two hours and four minutes to them. They don't want to watch a drama, romance, fantasy, sci-fi tearjerker. So I would say it's okay for 10 and up, but they're not going to want to, they won't make it through.

JT Spangler: Yeah. Would this movie get made if it were pitched now? I feel like it would.

Jeff: I mean, i I think we green light a lot of things ah just because we just watched them and we're like, hell yeah, that was all right. ah let's Let's do it again. ah i think if they did it now, though, it would be a...

Jeff: like a faith-based ah inspirational type market that they would have to go for. It would show up on like a one of those very Jesus-y channels where they would show stuff like that.

Jeff: I don't know that it would be, you know what I'm saying? like i don't know I don't know that it would be,

JT Spangler: Yeah, i'm sure it it I'm sure that this would be a ah gift from God. It would be very overt. I think you're right about that.

Jeff: I don't know. I don't know what channel plays those types of things, but that's where it would be. I think does it, is it a movie or can you make a TV show out of it?

JT Spangler: i you

Jeff: They tried the TV, but.

JT Spangler: ah Yeah, i think ah I think this is a movie. I don't even know. Like, my son is almost five. He doesn't even know what a channel is. Like, he has no concept.

JT Spangler: and like there's a way to like use the remote like go I don't like this let's flip to the next channel he has no clue

Jeff: Yeah.

Jeff: Oh, that's wonderful.

JT Spangler: his whole media world is on demand he's like pull up the super kitty song i was god damn it like I think it's broken we just wanted to install for a while

Jeff: Wonderful. i

Jeff: Yeah.

Jeff: God damn it, Donut. um I, yeah. Dude, when... Like, I think now that I'm thinking about it, I wonder, like when, you know, my mom came over to hang out with Cece and she wanted to watch ah Coach Golf's niece play in Wibbleton.

Jeff: and um And Nana was like, what what channels they come on? And Cece's like, I don't i don't know what what, I guess maybe she doesn't even know what a channel is.

JT Spangler: Yeah.

Jeff: Because we just pulled it up on the yeah ESPN app.

JT Spangler: Yeah.

Jeff: That's crazy. I don't think I ever thought of that.

JT Spangler: Yeah. Uh, recasting for this is pretty easy because they're in all the movies, but, uh, I wanted, uh, Tom Holland and and Zendaya to be the leads for this movie.

Jeff: That's weird. So.

Jeff: Nice.

JT Spangler: Yeah.

Jeff: I went a different route. I wanted Paul Rudd. he's I know he's too old, but he doesn't look old. So I wanted Paul Rudd. And then for the girl, I want Carrie Russell.

Jeff: Because she also, I feel, doesn't look old. And I think both of them could kill this. um The other lane I was going to go is Ryan Gosling and Brie Larson.

Jeff: And then Tom Hanks could play Doc.

JT Spangler: ah this is an easy movie to cast. There's only four important parts and none of them are that difficult. Like I think actors would be excited to do any part in this movie.

JT Spangler: And it wouldn't be, it's not.

Jeff: What if he's...

JT Spangler: Rihanna.

Jeff: No, if Forrest Whitaker loves Diana Ross in this movie, what's the new Forrest Whitaker? What's his thing that he likes? Like Sabrina Carpenter or something?

JT Spangler: Rihanna.

JT Spangler: Because it's like slightly ahead of his time, but not a lot ahead of his time.

Jeff: Riri. Awesome. Good call.

JT Spangler: Or maybe it's like maybe it's Whitney Houston, and instead of like ham radioing, he's like sending his stuff out into the universe.

Jeff: Good call.

JT Spangler: He's like trying to talk to aliens.

Jeff: ah He's probably using an AOL Instant Messenger. That's the old school like ham radio was back then. um So can you still watch and enjoy this movie in 2026?

JT Spangler: He's on iTunes.

JT Spangler: Yeah, man. i I think you can. it's ah It's on Amazon Prime or you can rent it anywhere that you rent stuff. It was $2.99 to rent these movies when we started the podcast and now on Apple TV it's $4.99 to rent movies.

JT Spangler: So inflation is coming for us all.

Jeff: Good. God. Thanks a lot.

JT Spangler: I don't...

Jeff: Thanks a lot, Biden.

JT Spangler: Dude, I have to pay $5 to rent a digital copy this for 48 hours.

Jeff: um

JT Spangler: just Just give me Blockbuster.

Jeff: Yeah. No, I'm totally ready.

JT Spangler: Let me get in there.

Jeff: i'm top the video i don't i will get it. Yeah.

JT Spangler: um All right. Thanks for listening. Next week, we continue John Travolta Month, which we just made up, with Broken Arrow.

Jeff: What else?