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Jeff: hey
Jeff: Nice!
Jeff: Oh, that's great.
JT Spangler: because this movie opened in like eight theaters to nobody.
Jeff: I like
JT Spangler: You can only get trailers from when it's coming out on VHS.
Jeff: VHS. I like how they threw rescue me in there. I'm sure that wasn't cheap.
JT Spangler: And it wasn't on the, yeah, it definitely wasn't on the actual movie soundtrack.
Jeff: I was reading about the budget.
Jeff: yeah it's crazy.
JT Spangler: Swingers movie life crisis season six, episode 12, 1996.
Jeff: Oh, man.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: Oh my goodness. Let me tell you, um it's been a long time since I've seen this and I don't know why I waited so long.
JT Spangler: That's what I was thinking, man. Cause i this is the, like, when we were thinking about doing this podcast, we've been doing it for six years. We probably talked about it for five years prior to that because we don't like to do shit. But, um, like this would be one of the movies that I would think I was like, dude, when we get to that one, that's one that i just, what i I really want. I just like, well want to talk about it.
Jeff: Right.
JT Spangler: Like there's just so much, like you could do a fricking college course where you spend the whole semester talking about how they made swingers.
Jeff: I
Jeff: And it was such a huge part of our like lexicon. And like, I remember quoting the hell out of this. This was another one of those movies where it's got um like quotes that we so took off of a VHS and put it on the computer just so we could have it.
Jeff: And then like, because they'd have those like interludes in the um like rap CDs where they would like act out parts.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: We were throwing interludes.
JT Spangler: You had
Jeff: Yeah. We were throwing interludes in there. Like, ah um,
JT Spangler: like on a little skits. Like on a wraps on a rap album, they would have like little skits to break up the tracks and we would do that on our mix CDs, but we would drop in movie quotes like from this.
Jeff: movie quote like like it was more like um jackie chan and chris tucker rush hour how they would have like uh parts of the movie in there we would start throwing those on there and dude it would just make you giggle you'd listen to a song and be like ah it's great and then you would hear like you're so money and you don't even know it right before the next track oh that's freaking great man uh dude
JT Spangler: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Yeah. We do that. So I, um, there was a period of time when I dropped out of college because college is stupid. Um, and I moved to Colorado to be a ski bum with Rick and Jason seal and Jamie share.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: And we lived with six people or five people in a two bedroom condo. So me and Jamie and Jason all slept in one room together. They slept in one queen bed. I slept in the other queen bed. Neither bed had sheets or comforters.
Jeff: Oof.
JT Spangler: We just like had sleeping bags and we had, we had a PlayStation two and we had Tony Hawk pro skater. That was the only video game option we had.
Jeff: Nice.
JT Spangler: And then we had, a I think the PlayStation two played DVDs and I had like, I own like four DVDs and I was swingers blade. um God did what's the movie event horizon.
Jeff: What's the football movie? Didn't you have that one? It felt like you had that one.
JT Spangler: Varsity Blues.
Jeff: Varsity blues.
JT Spangler: Varsity Blues might have, those could have been the, so it's like, those were our options because we didn't have, this is 99, so there's not really, we had dial-up internet. Screech stayed up one entire night to download one song on the dial-up internet.
JT Spangler: Like in the morning, we woke up, he'd been awake.
Jeff: And it was tagged wrong and it was the wrong song.
JT Spangler: Yeah, dude, we'd been awake for like, he'd been awake for like nine hours downloading on a freaking phone line. And in the morning, he's like, check it out. I got rusted rude. We're like, dude, is that your whole night? That was what you did?
JT Spangler: You just watched the frigging percentage go up to 19.1%.
Jeff: Oh, that's...
JT Spangler: Come on, here we go. Now we're cooking. ah
Jeff: When people... when In the middle of the night, it would go faster. So it would be so much better.
JT Spangler: not the Not the phone line. to Dude, this was frigging before there was even a Napster, I think.
Jeff: No, I don't.
JT Spangler: um
Jeff: Yeah. Right.
JT Spangler: But yeah, so like there's not like we' we're like, hey, let's just see what's on. Dude, there's not shit on this. We have these four movies. We have this one video game. And other than that, we play cards and like push each other into the bushes.
Jeff: Right.
JT Spangler: So... When I tell you I've seen this movie a couple hundred times, I'm not exaggerating in the slightest.
Jeff: Yeah, absolutely. Dude, I had way more options and I've seen this hundreds of times. it's It's really, it's not long. It's like 90 minutes.
Jeff: um
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: that It's funny. like it's i I was trying to explain it to cats. Like, I think I remember that movie. I don't know. I think I've maybe seen it. I was like, it's like what um romantic comedies are for women. I feel like this is what a guy's movie is.
Jeff: But it's like, it's got feeling though. Like they're talking about like actual things. Like, i dude, I like it. Yeah.
JT Spangler: Well, they said that there's a great oral history of this movie they did for the 20th anniversary on Grantland. And they interviewed almost everybody involved, like Jon Favreau and Vince Vaughn and the director, Doug Liman, the producers, the line producers, the like all the people that worked on it.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: And so you get a really good look at like how they made it, what the story's were, and I think one of the things that they said was it didn didn't really, it didn't have a lot of studio appeal because they're like, dude, this is just, this movie's only for out-of-work actors in LA.
JT Spangler: And the director, Doug Liman, was like, I think what people didn't recognize at the time is that it's not, that's the setting, but like, it's about just like male friends in their 20s.
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: All the life. Right.
JT Spangler: Like going through a breakup, like trying to figure out what you're gonna do with your life, like how you hang out with your buddies and what you guys do together.
Jeff: Right.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Like it's that, which is a very universal thing set in a very specific like, Like, I didn't know anything about Hollywood trying to be actors in their 20s at this point in time, but, like, I fucking loved this movie.
Jeff: Right. Right.
Jeff: Yeah. No, dude, ah same. Like him writing this after breaking up with somebody. So like, it's, it's an actual thing that everybody can relate to. And plus them like playing the hockey game and then arguing and fighting.
JT Spangler: Check it out. Check it out, Mikey.
Jeff: Like, like, why is he on the ground?
JT Spangler: going to make a little Wayne's head bleed for number 99 superfan over here.
Jeff: Oh, cause Gretzky's a bitch. That's why like they suck in this game. We're finesse team. Like dude, that kind of interaction
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: That's, I know, like, Kat can't relate to that, but I totally can.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: Like, I can remember playing games and yelling like that. Like, i dude, I just, I don't know. i don't know how else to explain it to Kat other than, like, this is ah how girls feel about a lot of romantic comedies, which I like those as well.
Jeff: We've gone on record numerous times, but, like, this is, to me, really what guys...
JT Spangler: But dude, I get like it.
JT Spangler: I'm sure that like your wife and my wife are probably going like, man, Designing Women and Fried Green Tomatoes and Steel Magnolias. It's like, whatever you think of those movies for like young women in the South, like this movie is like that for me.
Jeff: but Before we talk too far down on Designing Women, I've been watching that recently and it is hilarious.
JT Spangler: Dude, I like Designing Women. Yeah, Designing Women's, Deltaburg's great.
Jeff: Delta Burke was awesome.
JT Spangler: the whole Dude, that whole thing is great, but I'm not like, that was not formative for me.
Jeff: Right.
JT Spangler: I just enjoy it now.
Jeff: well i right you're Right, right, right, right. Yeah. No, agree.
JT Spangler: Also, dude, because your kid's like 13 or whatever. like hey
Jeff: He turns 14 today, by the way, if you want to feel old.
JT Spangler: Jesus. ah I did ah did want to feel old, and I do. um
Jeff: but
JT Spangler: But like I feel like his generation is going to miss out on... Think about how much time we spent in our teens and 20s sitting like on the couch with a buddy playing a video game, and I don't think you can do that anymore, really.
Jeff: Well, so you're right. But also,
JT Spangler: Cause we talk about that with my other buddies, like dude, like in college, like doing land parties and playing fricking halo and call of duty and like 007, like ah golden eye, like no odd job.
Jeff: we just i just told them about LAN parties. Yeah.
JT Spangler: And like everybody would have like the weird rules that everybody, everyone kind of knew it's like, dude, don't just a dick move. Don't do that.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Or like, you can't play, like you can't be Bo Jackson and it's Tecmo Bowl.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Like just say everyone, like dude, that's just not fair.
Jeff: yeah
JT Spangler: Like everyone knew it.
Jeff: is it Everyone knows.
JT Spangler: I feel like his, I feel like his generation is not gonna, like you gotta do that.
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: So
JT Spangler: You gotta be pushing each other while you're playing. Like dude, don't bump me while while I'm on offense.
Jeff: but that's the part that I think that's the only part that's missing because I can hear him playing in his room with his friends that live in Slidell and he's playing on FaceTime.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: live with them and they'll say like dude I thought we were saying no building like they're playing like fortnight or whatever it's like no building you say no building like um so like they're still doing that part but the physical like like dude when will came in town I don't know three or four times ago we just I moved the Xbox 360 into the living room and we played ah modern warfare ah dude we paused it and then sat on the couch and just talked and messed around and then went back to play and like
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: That kind of stuff, it's they ah there's a bunch of kids that are missing that. A bunch.
JT Spangler: But also when you were a kid, like that was part of like the playing video games as part of the experience, but also like, Hey, I'm tired of playing video games. Let's go outside and throw the football for a while. And then when the pizza gets here, we'll have pizza.
JT Spangler: And like, now you just have like, you're in your room and your friends are in their room.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: And then I guess it's cool.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: They can live far apart. and You don't need a parent to like get you together, but
Jeff: done're They're missing it. They're missing it.
JT Spangler: yeah.
Jeff: i and It sounds like we're like, get off the lawn, but they they are missing it.
JT Spangler: Well, that's I mean, I just think that's an experience that like, I hate that your son and my son might not have that exact experience just because it was awesome.
Jeff: Right.
Jeff: Yeah, i was.
JT Spangler: ah Like, did you go like you go over to somebody's house and it's like you're playing Mario Kart. It's like, oh, sweet, dude, I'm gonna get in next on that. It's like, and there's like eight kids from the neighborhood all waiting to like have their turn.
Jeff: And I will say that that's the other thing, ah having to wait for to play the game. Like, you know, Goldeneye was four people, so you'd have four and one person can rotate in, the you know, or the last one, three people rotate in and the winner stays kind of thing.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: they don't They don't do that anymore.
JT Spangler: But...
Jeff: Now there's like, oh, all 11 people can play all online all at one time.
JT Spangler: But, dude... But even in Swingers, when he frickin' pauses it so he can go answer the door, and then Vince Vaughn unpauses it, he's like, look it, check it out, by making Lil Wayne's head bleed. And it's like, dude, just shut it.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Don't, don't fuckin' unpause it!
Jeff: And he's like smacking him on the head.
JT Spangler: Like, that sh...
Jeff: Ah, man, that's great.
JT Spangler: You missed a lot of important stuff there. um
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Yeah, so what um obviously why this movie was chosen is that we're we were teenagers when it came out, and so it is hugely important to us.
Jeff: Yeah, yeah.
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: it's It feels I know it and... i know it is and I'm sure we'll talk more about it, but it feels very 1996 for me.
JT Spangler: Yeah. Yeah.
Jeff: Like it was.
JT Spangler: Well, dude, mean, it's shot on film. Like there's, we just don't have that many more years of movies that were shot.
Jeff: Yeah. and Tiny little clips of film, like leftover pieces that other people were donating and throwing away.
JT Spangler: I know.
Jeff: They were filming. So they'd have like one minute of film. All right. You got to get it ready. Three, two, one blast off. And then you got to nail it. That's great.
JT Spangler: Well, so they they this movie was written by Jon Favreau when he was nobody. um
Jeff: right
JT Spangler: And then he spent a couple years trying to get it made. He was real friends with all the people in the movie, and they finally decided to like put together this shoestring budget that they borrowed from some financier guy.
Jeff: Yeah, and it's it was lineman Lyman's dad or something, wasn't it?
JT Spangler: had like $200,000 to movie. to make this movie It was someone that Lyman's dad knew that he's never revealed who it was.
Jeff: New, that's what it was. Yeah, that's what was.
JT Spangler: So, um but they didn't have a lot of money. And one of the things they wanted to do to cut costs was still, they wanted to shoot on film, but they're like, if we get the short ends, because film came in thousand feet or 400 foot spools and big productions wouldn't use like the last hundred feet because didn't want to run out during the middle of a tape.
Jeff: Right.
JT Spangler: And so the short ends, they would just kind of go like, ah, we don't care about those. they And so this production is like buying up the short ends from the different like film stock places in LA.
Jeff: It's great.
JT Spangler: It's like, dude, do you got any you anything you're going to throw away that we can have?
Jeff: Yeah, that's great.
JT Spangler: And that they said that most of the short ends that this movie was shot on came from Twisters.
Jeff: It's awesome.
JT Spangler: Yeah. Which is the biggest or second biggest movie ah of 96.
Jeff: That's great.
JT Spangler: This one, by the way, is a, is a number 155 on the year
Jeff: That stinks.
JT Spangler: Yeah, right ahead of ah Ed, which is a movie where a trained chimp plays third base for a minor league baseball team, co-starring Joey from Friends. All that's legit. You can look that you can look all that up.
Jeff: Oh, man. It's ahead of that or behind it?
JT Spangler: It's ahead of that, by a hair.
Jeff: Oh, gee. That was close.
JT Spangler: Yeah. But this movie, they said, like, they, you know, they... So the the film budget was like $250,000 to $300,000, but they spent another probably half a million dollars or more on just the music licensing, like all the Dean Martin shit and Big Bad Voodoo Daddy.
Jeff: The music.
JT Spangler: And so and so they said that like, yeah, it was incredible.
Jeff: Dude, it was good though.
JT Spangler: but they and like and they got all the color correction and all the post stuff. They got that all done for free. And then like, so they so when they when it released and it made whatever, $4 million, dollars almost $5 million, dollars they were like,
JT Spangler: Miramax is the production company that kind of that licensed and distributed it. And Miramax had just like, was getting ready to do like Goodwill hunting. And so they had they'd had a couple of movies that had done really well
Jeff: Right.
JT Spangler: They're like the A24 at that time. And like this one didn't do well.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Theatrically, everyone was like, ah. And they pulled it out of the theaters pretty quickly. And they're like, well, you know, we tried it, but it just didn't really work.
Jeff: Thank you.
JT Spangler: And then, and then later on Buena Vista, home videos like said like, hey, look, we think Miramax messed up the distribution of this movie. This thing's too good to have been yanked that quickly. We want to do a big home video of push.
JT Spangler: And so they they would do a thing with ah like Blockbuster and like like they'd fly the Blockbuster executives out and they'd go, like here's the movies we wrote for the year that we really want you to know about. And that for that year, the like home video freaking symposium for all the like Blockbuster execs was swingers themed. Yeah.
JT Spangler: you know, freaking hats and like bowling shirts and like cocktails.
Jeff: Oh, nice. Nice.
JT Spangler: And, and so you like, you go into a blockbuster and there'd like 30 copies of swingers, even though it was a tiny independent movie that no one's on.
Jeff: Right.
JT Spangler: the And so then it started to like really take off on home video.
Jeff: Well, that worked out. I wonder, I don't remember seeing this in the theater, so I think.
JT Spangler: No, I don't think it even played in the theater. It came out in like 800 screens or like even less.
Jeff: Yeah. So I'm glad somebody knew enough to push it like that. That's awesome. That's awesome.
JT Spangler: Yeah. Um, yeah, dude, well, look we're getting ahead of ourselves, uh, because this movie is fun to talk about.
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: yeah
JT Spangler: So give us a synopsis.
Jeff: um ah Mike, a struggling comedian and actor, leaves New York, goes to Los Angeles, can't get over a breakup. His louder friend, Trent, drags him through Vegas, parties, bars, coffee shops, late night LA, all in an effort to get him back in the game.
Jeff: um Eventually, my Mike stops trying to be like Trent and using his swagger and finds his own way to do it and connects with somebody real, Heather Graham, who's fantastic in this.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
JT Spangler: She's great. Yeah. Like I said, they made it for... They borrowed a couple hundred thousand dollars, which is not a lot to make a feature film. I mean, it sounds like a lot if you know how much Kevin Smith spent on Clerks, but like to really to make a movie that's a...
Jeff: Right.
JT Spangler: Especially a movie that's shot in LA and Las Vegas is a ridiculously small...
Jeff: Yeah. And they didn't get any permits because that would have cost more. So they didn't hire extras.
JT Spangler: Well, dude, I'll...
Jeff: So that would haveve cost more like all of that.
JT Spangler: There's a bunch of scenes that are like in bars or in parties and every one of those scenes, the normal way to do that is like you rent the venue during the day, you block it all off so it looks like it's night and then you hire extras to come in and pretend like they're drinking at the bar.
JT Spangler: And they were like, we don't have money for that. We're just going to ask the bar nicely. Like, dude, can we just please come in and film while you're already open?
Jeff: Right.
JT Spangler: And then like, we'll use the people that are actually there drinking as background actors without telling them.
Jeff: That's great. That's great.
JT Spangler: And so they just, because they actually, these are the spots that they all went and hung out at. Those are the ones that Favreau put in the script, and they just went like, dude, we're we're at the Derby all the time. Can we just come in and film while you guys are during swing night?
Jeff: Yeah. there was Dude, there was a list of a bunch of the cameos too. And I went back and tried to find, the one I was looking for was Severed, Adam Scott.
JT Spangler: Yeah, he's in the party scene.
Jeff: they They said it was his downstairs neighbor. I couldn't find him, dude.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: I went back and watched it and I just missed it. um it's a i I love that ah guerrilla style ah filmmaking, whatever you want to call it.
Jeff: I don't know.
JT Spangler: Yeah, dude. Me too. And like the... they I mean, they... So they... They did make a deal to shoot in Vegas, but they didn't... They didn't have to pay for it. They like got in and got out.
Jeff: Right.
JT Spangler: And just the... I mean, the whole thing is incredible, dude. Like the... like So they have the short ends of real film. That's how they're going to shoot the movie. They can shoot one minute at a time. But Doug Liman, the director, is like, well, if you a regular movie-making camera at that point in time, you took four minutes to reload.
JT Spangler: And I was like, we can't we only have 18 days blocked for shooting.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: 18 shooting days on a 90-minute script is already like 15 pages a day, which most movies are going to shoot three to five pages a day. So we already have this crazy schedule.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: We can't do it one minute of shooting and four minutes of break. He's like, so instead of using that camera, I used a different 35 millimeter camera, which is normally used for documentaries. And the reason that you don't use it for films is that it's so loud, you can't hear the dialogue.
JT Spangler: and so
Jeff: Oh, is this the jacket thing?
JT Spangler: Yeah, so he would take that camera and he would wrap his like winter coat around it and then tie the arms up and then he would wrap his comforter around that and then he would hold this big ball of cloth that was the camera and like that's how they did it because you you could reload it way faster.
JT Spangler: So like the whole thing was like let's just freaking just MacGyver this shit.
Jeff: That's awesome.
JT Spangler: Let's just put some duct tape on it and just figure out how to make it happen.
Jeff: that's so yeah and I was reading something where Favreau was like, oh, this is it's like looking at a snowball. It's a big jack white jacket every time he has to do the thing.
JT Spangler: Right. Yeah.
Jeff: That's freaking great.
JT Spangler: Yeah, awards.
Jeff: That's freaking great. ah dude Doug Liman won Best New Filmmaker at the MTV Movie Awards. That's the only one that I saw.
JT Spangler: Yeah, do they still do the MTV Movie Awards?
Jeff: um
JT Spangler: They can't, right?
Jeff: i don't I don't think MTV does anything that they used to do.
JT Spangler: yeah I mean, yeah, does MTV, I was gonna say, do they exist anymore?
Jeff: including the M in and TV. Yeah. Yeah. It's still a thing, but I think it's just like 16 and pregnant and stuff like that.
JT Spangler: Dude, I mean, Wikipedia has MTV Movie Awards, like, winners going up to 2023. That can't possibly be right.
Jeff: Oh man, that's crazy.
JT Spangler: 2023 hosted by Drew Maverick was the second most nominated film.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: ah All right, that's ludicrous. Clearly they stopped.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: 2024, it's a skipped.
Jeff: skipped Yeah, that's pretty good.
JT Spangler: All right. So i getting umm yeah I'm guessing they shut it down. But anyway, so Doug Liman gets the ah Best New Filmmaker Award.
Jeff: ah That helped out his yeah it helped out his reputation to make sure that, you know, like he gets to make better movies because he's he's a good he's he's good at what he does, like the stuff he does after this.
JT Spangler: I like Doug
JT Spangler: Well, so he he did The Bourne Identity, which I hated, the direction of that particular movie because the whole thing was Steadicam.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: So was like, dude, I love, I read those books a bunch of times. I love Matt Damon. I'm like, okay, cool.
Jeff: yeah
JT Spangler: Let me just take some Dramamine and go see this movie. ah So that one, I hate it. But he did Go, which I freaking love.
Jeff: Yes.
JT Spangler: He did Mr. Mrs. Smith, which I love. Edge of Tomorrow, I freaking love.
Jeff: Dude, that's um American Maid's good.
JT Spangler: He's done a bunch of stuff I really like.
Jeff: Like, even the new Roadhouse wasn't bad, dude.
JT Spangler: American Made's are really good.
Jeff: I liked it. So, like,
JT Spangler: and didn't I didn't see that. But like Jumper, I even liked that movie because I liked that book.
Jeff: it's got Anakin in it, isn't it? That's the one where he can, yeah, yeah.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: ah yeah That's what I'm saying. I like this dude's stuff, so I'm glad he won something to put him out there to, to, uh,
JT Spangler: Yeah, dude, for sure. Yeah. All right, man. So we we agree that we didn't see it in the theaters because it probably didn't even come to the theaters in Hammond.
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: It was a huge video. put i Dude, I'm sure that I either... Because we didn't... If you saw the cover of this in 1906, you wouldn't have known anyone on it. Like there was no...
Jeff: Right, right.
JT Spangler: That was famous. Like Jon...
Jeff: Yeah, you don't you don't know you don't know, John.
JT Spangler: Jon Favreau and Vince Vaughn met... on Rudy and Vince Vaughn is like on the football team, but he, all of his scenes got cut out. So you just, you just happen to know now it's like, Oh dude, look that. Vince Vaughn, but he doesn't even talk. All of his parts got cut and Favreau is Rudy's buddy, but he's like chubby, like young John Favreau.
Jeff: right
Jeff: yeah
JT Spangler: Uh, and they met on the set of that movie and they're friends, but you don't know who they are in 96. Like there's nobody thanks except for Heather Graham.
Jeff: yeah and there's a there's nothing that there's nothing he was doing uh vince vaughn was doing before well ah so wait do you know um you'll shoot your eye out what the hell's that movie called uh uh christmas story christmas story so
JT Spangler: Yeah. Christmas story.
Jeff: So he met the lead guy, the little kid on that, Vince Vaughn did.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: He met him, and that's when they started being friends on an after-school special. I'm wondering if Vince Vaughn and that dude met on the after-school special story that Vince Vaughn was telling.
Jeff: You know what I'm saying? like Not that, but like I wonder if... I feel like that's all connected somehow. I couldn't find anything about it, but I felt like it was all...
JT Spangler: Well, who are you talking about?
Jeff: I'm talking about the little blonde haired kid the on the that. ah You'll shoot a Christmas story.
JT Spangler: Peter Billingsley?
Jeff: Billingsley. aren't Isn't he good friends with Vince Vaughn?
JT Spangler: I have no idea. and I don't know what bearing that is on this movie.
Jeff: I think. No, because the, when he's talking about, ah ah I was crying, I'm tearing my face off crying and he was going for an afterschool special. That was his first thing was the afterschool special.
Jeff: Like Vince Vaughn's,
JT Spangler: Yeah, no well, Vince Vaughn really did, like, that is he, because Jon Favreau said, like, he, Vince didn't go to college. He moved out to LA. He started doing commercials and he started doing after school specials. So I don't, nothing to do with the Christmas story, but I think I'm sure that, like every story in the movie, I'm sure it's like an exaggerated version of something that really happened to either Jon Favreau, Vince Vaughn, or one of their friends.
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: Yeah. Yeah.
JT Spangler: Like they said that. So yeah, I'm sure.
Jeff: I just, and I couldn't find out which one it was, but the whole story about him not getting it, but Peter Billingsley getting it. And then him telling that story the whole time. First of all, I love that scene because he's,
Jeff: Like they're tearing their face off crying. And then all the whole place erupts in applause. I love that.
JT Spangler: And said, well, how old is he?
Jeff: I
JT Spangler: Because I'm tall, right? But I look young.
Jeff: i i look, I look young.
JT Spangler: Ladies, right? I look young.
Jeff: don i um And he said, and he looks at me with a straight face and he says, 11. eleven And you said, double down.
JT Spangler: And you said double down.
Jeff: Oh man. But I, that the whole time I'm thinking about that, I was thinking about him being friends with Peter Billingsley because he's friends with John Favreau and they're all doing the thing. Just like there's no sequel to this, but made comes, you know five or six years after this.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: um And it's these two again. And he, he doesn't play Trent, but he plays a guy that can't stop talking like that. Like, so I, I was putting all that together.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
JT Spangler: But anyway, that where where where I was heading before we got off on that sidetrack was that I don't remember seeing this.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: And if I'd seen the poster of it in Blockbuster, if I saw 30 copies of it, I wouldn't have known what it was and I wouldn't have recognized anyone on it. So I don't think I would have rented it unless, like word must have gotten around like, dude, this movie is hilarious. You to check it out.
Jeff: You're right. I think that's what it was for me. was Because in 96, I'm graduating high school, so now I'm starting college. And like i'm I don't think somebody had to tell me.
JT Spangler: Like somebody somebody like works at the video store and is like watching all the movies. You know, like ah like our buddy Sean or even like my brother in college who works at a video store.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: They're watching all the movies and they go, dude, check out this.
Jeff: right
JT Spangler: Like Biggin would go into the like and to the record store and be like, ooh, this CD's got three black guys on it. Let's just check that out.
Jeff: Let's just try it.
JT Spangler: And then he could say, like, you should listen to these.
Jeff: Right.
JT Spangler: this Look at Juice. These guys are awesome. They do a Garth Brooks cover. But like but I wasn't that guy and you weren't that guy.
Jeff: Right.
JT Spangler: So someone clearly told...
Jeff: Juice with two O's.
JT Spangler: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Jeff: What was the Garth Brooks cover? Tomorrow Never Comes.
JT Spangler: If tomorrow never comes.
Jeff: Oh, who was the band that did um Wonderful Tonight?
JT Spangler: Shout out.
Jeff: that Damage? Damage?
JT Spangler: Yes.
Jeff: All the ones from the very best of Biggin CD.
JT Spangler: Yeah, dude, damage is thats was good, dude. and they And it literally, the the record cover is just frigging four black guys standing next to each other, all all dressed in all black.
Jeff: Oh, man. Do you remember?
JT Spangler: The point is like there had to been, there must've been that movie friend that told our group because I, yeah.
Jeff: Right. No, and that's I think it was Biggin that told me.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: That's what I'm saying. like I remember him going like, dude, y'all should watch this. You would really like it. And he would get stuff way before...
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: Like, even for movies, not just not just the the music.
JT Spangler: Yeah. Yeah. Well, like Will does that with like comedians. If I'm trying to figure out like, dude, I want to go see some comedy, but I don't know who the fuck any these people are. i'm just, I can just text Will and be like, Hey man, who's the comedian that you're listening to that you like, that I don't know about yet that you have for their t-shirts.
Jeff: and Who do I see? Yeah.
Jeff: He knows all the people.
JT Spangler: And he's like, Jesus, take these guys out.
Jeff: Dude, he does that with music too, though, lately.
JT Spangler: Yeah, he does.
Jeff: He's been dropping some knowledge.
JT Spangler: But I don't, I don't pay attention to music. So I don't even ask about that. But every once in a while I want to go see some comedy.
Jeff: Yeah, yeah. Right.
JT Spangler: And i I know I'm like, Will knows what's going on.
Jeff: Right.
JT Spangler: I can ask him.
Jeff: He definitely does.
JT Spangler: All right, man. Well, let's do ratings from one to 10. No sevens allowed.
Jeff: No sevens. Dude, I gave this a nine and a half.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: i
Jeff: It's 96 minutes, something like that, I think.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: ah It was fantastically quick. It was freaking funny. It was... ah quotable It had all the things I remember. It's got heart. It's got ah dirty words.
Jeff: um It was great. um I watched almost the whole thing with Jake, who also thought it was funny and didn't even probably get a lot of the and references. So like um nine and a half for me, dude, it was, I'll watch it again probably before this year's over.
JT Spangler: Yeah, I did. I was thinking, cause I used to watch it all the time and I was like, I could, I didn't need to have stopped watching it all the time.
Jeff: Right.
JT Spangler: And, and like, you know, we, we do our like top three scenes and our top three quotes. And I i was writing down scenes and they hadn't left Vegas yet. And i already had five and we're like, that's like 15 minutes into the movie.
Jeff: Right. Yeah. It's too hard. Yeah.
JT Spangler: And was like, shit, dude, I think I'd have a hard time picking three scenes from this movie that I didn't think made the top.
Jeff: Right. Right.
JT Spangler: Um, I gave it a 10. I think I've given three 10 out of 10s. think I gave ah League of Their Own. and i think I gave Forrest Gump a 10. But I think and in six years, over 100 movies, I think I've given out three 10s.
JT Spangler: This is the third. i just, I love it, man.
Jeff: Yeah. Dude. It's so good. It's so good. I,
JT Spangler: And I don't have any way to separate the nostalgia from it because it was ah an important movie to me and all my friends for a long time.
Jeff: ae
JT Spangler: And obviously that is a factor. Like I'm not trying to say it's the best movie ever made, but to me, it's a 10 out of 10. Anytime it's on, I will watch it.
Jeff: No. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
JT Spangler: I would never walk into the room and be like, swingers, i don't i don't really feel like that.
Jeff: Yeah. I...
JT Spangler: I'd be like, fuck yeah, swingers, let's do it. like
Jeff: yeah i
JT Spangler: Like when my kid is like, let's listen to Aladdin again. I'm never like, God, I'm just tired of Aladdin. I'm like, hell yeah, man, let's fire up Aladdin.
Jeff: Let's, but yeah, bust it up.
JT Spangler: Let's do it. I'm never tired of Aladdin.
Jeff: Right.
JT Spangler: Let's go.
Jeff: Right. um Yeah. Same for me, dude. I don't think it's a 10 for everybody for sure. My wife would not think this is a 10. She would totally enjoy it.
JT Spangler: No.
Jeff: And I don't know why I can't get her to watch it, but um I, she's just, it's going to be, it's going to be a really high up there for me. I only gave it to nine and a half too, because i I, couldn't watch it with everybody.
JT Spangler: Dude, and I...
Jeff: And that's, and that's right.
JT Spangler: Yeah. You can't watch it with an eight-year-old.
Jeff: I couldn't watch it with my eight year old daughter, but that's the only thing. And that's only because I really like her that I want to hang out with it.
JT Spangler: Well... I was going to say, dude, truthfully, like... you might not want to watch this with your daughter when she's 14. Like it's not super friendly to women.
Jeff: Right.
JT Spangler: It's not like it's not, it's not misogynistic by this time of the nineties, but now looking back, you're like, dude, there's a lot of just talk about women as beautiful babies, which is like, has just has to do with what they look like and literally nothing else.
Jeff: No, it's not. Yeah.
Jeff: oh hilarious yeah
JT Spangler: And and every obviously every American male in the ninety s is like, fuck yeah, they're nailing it. But now we're like, eh, probably should talk to women about stuff that's important to them and see if they're good people. And just like, come on, Mikey, there's gonna be beautiful babies there.
Jeff: to flip it around do you think you got to got these teeth these fangs just batting it
JT Spangler: these Big fucking claws and these teeth. You've got the bunny and you're just trying to, you're going, how can I kill the bunny with this?
Jeff: rather ah Dude, to flip it, do you think when girls watch this, they look at that girl as like, what do you drive? And like do you think they're like, oh, God, she's freaking shallow and crappy. Or do they just make everybody like that? So at the end, when Jon Favreau's vulnerable and Heather Graham is being vulnerable and they're both awkward, it just makes it for a better ending because I love that.
JT Spangler: do And so to me, like that girl, I don't, yeah I don't know, maybe that's, maybe that's a blind spot for me, but that girl is like, what kind of car do you drive?
Jeff: love
JT Spangler: i don't think like, man, girls sure were shitty in the nineties. I just think like l LA is like that.
Jeff: Oh, yeah, that's definitely.
JT Spangler: like the beginning of the movie when he's like, it's like how many we're going to go to a party. It's going to half an hour to find it. You're going to say it sucks. Meanwhile, I'm talking to a girl who's busy looking around to see if there's someone else should be talking to and I'm supposed to give a shit because she's wearing a fucking backpack.
JT Spangler: Like, I don't, like, that's what l LA is like.
Jeff: ah Yeah, yeah, yeah.
JT Spangler: That's not what the 90s were like. Like, that's just Los Angeles.
Jeff: What about that whole scene that you were just talking about to how it's dark in his kitchen?
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: And when he leaves the kitchen, he turns the light on. So there's light in the background and he's walking around and then he turns the light off so he can open the fridge and have the light.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: And dude, he's just constantly looking in his fridge and pacing.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: That was so real for me. Just when we talk on the phone, I walk around my kitchen and I'm like looking at stuff and straightening things in the pantry.
JT Spangler: Well, yeah.
Jeff: Like, dude, it's.
JT Spangler: But the amazing thing about that is, do you know why he did that?
Jeff: No idea.
JT Spangler: Because they didn't have any lights for the scene.
Jeff: Nice.
JT Spangler: And so like they didn't have a they didn't have a DP on the film.
Jeff: they Use the fridge light.
JT Spangler: Doug Liman was like, Jon Favreau was getting more and more concerned as the production went along that we didn't really know what we were doing. like We didn't hire a DP because we didn't have the money for one. and like That's a pretty important job.
Jeff: Right. Yeah.
JT Spangler: And so like our lighting rigs were like just made out of like Home Depot lamps with 150 watt bulbs
Jeff: yes
JT Spangler: and And like, Favreau said in that scene, like Doug told me to open the fridge because he couldn't see my face.
Jeff: That's freaking great.
JT Spangler: And so that's why we opened it to get the light on my face.
Jeff: Oh, that's great. That's great.
JT Spangler: But it also is perfect because you're walking around like just, just opening shit and fricking checking on stuff.
Jeff: Yeah, just, yeah, that dude, that's so real for me. I don't know why i do the same exact thing.
JT Spangler: God. But yeah, so nine and a half for you, 10 for me. The soundtrack is incredible.
Jeff: Yeah, it is really good.
JT Spangler: It's really funny. The cast is great. I just, i don't know, man, it's kind of weird. It's, But Jon Favreau got a screenwriting program as a gift and opened it up and just to figure out how to work it, just wrote this script in 10 days.
Jeff: what was the ah What was the name of that one that we had? and it just put trial.
JT Spangler: Final cut?
Jeff: No, no, no. the The screenwriting program we had back in the gap, which is strikingly like this one.
JT Spangler: I don't remember.
Jeff: It was like an old ah like Greek name or something.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: Prometheus? That's not right.
JT Spangler: I don't know
Jeff: Remember when you print it out, it would put the trial on the thing.
JT Spangler: But yeah.
Jeff: Yeah, yeah. We had that.
JT Spangler: Oh yeah. And a watermark. So yeah, I just like, I mean, it's, it's, it's remarkable.
Jeff: Yeah, yeah.
JT Spangler: And then he spends a couple of years trying to get the movie made and a bunch of people read the script and wanted to make the movie, but what they wanted to do was buy the script from him.
Jeff: and change it.
JT Spangler: And he was like, I don't want to do that.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: He's like, I just, I was trying to be an actor. I don't want you to cast fricking Jason Priestley in my movie and then me stay home.
Jeff: Right. yeah Yeah.
JT Spangler: which was like a legit thing that was, they were like really close to casting Jason Priestley as Trent.
Jeff: Jason Priestley. Oh, that would have been bad.
JT Spangler: Cause they're, cause every studio who was like, we want the movie, maybe we could put you in it, but like, we got to put a star in the Trent role because that's a really fun part. We'll put them on the poster.
Jeff: They did put a star now.
JT Spangler: It's like, they're offering it to people.
Jeff: but they picked it They picked it right.
JT Spangler: Right.
Jeff: and They picked it right.
JT Spangler: Well, yeah. And, uh, all right, dude, well, let's, let's, let's do scenes.
Jeff: um
JT Spangler: I trimmed it down to four.
Jeff: I got mine down two to three. I tried to keep it. um Dude, we all, 96 minutes of this could have been in my best seats.
Jeff: The first one, yeah, me too, me too.
JT Spangler: I'm leaving out so much stuff. Go ahead.
Jeff: ah The answering machine part is, that's got to be the first one.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: Dude, I just, his meltdown, on and I just can't,
JT Spangler: That's on my list.
Jeff: That's the part I wanted to show Jake the most. And the whole time, every time he picked up the phone and he would hear the boop, boop, boop, and redialing, Jake would turn and look at me and be like, what is he doing?
Jeff: um ah freak i Dude, I just freaking love how cringe comedy, ah just it's so painfully accurate. I love it.
JT Spangler: so So the whole movie, Mike, Jon Favreau is going through a breakup and he's really hung hung up on his ex-girlfriend and his best friend Vince Vaughn is trying to get him out of the funk and like have him meet new girls, go out dancing.
Jeff: It was brutal.
Jeff: Right.
JT Spangler: And he just is hung up on his, and he finally meets a girl and he gets her number and his buddy's like, just wait two days to call her three days. I'm going to six days. And he's like, so and he calls her that night at like three o'clock in the morning.
JT Spangler: And he's, and he's trying to leave his number so that she can call him back and he gets cut off.
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: It's Beep. Shit. And he leaves like nine messages in a row.
Jeff: Yeah. Oh.
JT Spangler: And by like a message seven, he's like, hey, look, just Nikki, I just don't think this is going to work out.
Jeff: oh
JT Spangler: It's not you. It's me. I'm going through a breakup.
Jeff: thats you It's me.
JT Spangler: and now
Jeff: Oh, cry me.
JT Spangler: And then she freaking picks up, like, because interrupts the message. She's like, Mike. He's like, hey, oh, Nikki, hi. Did you, would you just get home?
Jeff: here Oh, oh, you're home.
JT Spangler: She's like never call here again.
Jeff: Oh, dude. And did you recognize, I've always remembered seeing her in this. She was in the replacements. She's the, the love interest in against Keanu Reeves.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: Um,
JT Spangler: Yeah, I recognize her.
Jeff: I was like, God, why do I know her more now? um And dude, that whole scene was before that when she's at the Dresden. I actually, when I was in LA, went to the Dresden and those the old guy playing the drums and the lady playing the, yeah, dude, they were there.
JT Spangler: Yeah, Marty and Elaine.
Jeff: They were playing that night. And i was like, Oh my God, this is a, this is a real thing.
JT Spangler: Yeah, they played for, they played for years and years. I think one of them died. ah
Jeff: This is crazy. Yeah.
JT Spangler: One of them died pretty recently, but like they played, because I lived in LA 15 years after this movie came out and they so were still there.
Jeff: they were They were still there. they'd Dude, that's crazy. But the whole, like, he walks in. I like how he's got the automatic closing, like, thing on his door.
Jeff: So when he kicks the door open, he's got to hold it open with his foot, and he's, like, standing a certain way, and you can see the silhouette. And then he drops his keys, and he walks over, and he wants to not call her. But then he just, dude, he cannot stop calling her.
JT Spangler: Yeah. Dude, by the way, the Dresden's website still lists Marty and Elaine as like playing five nights a week.
Jeff: Ah, so...
JT Spangler: for thirty This is their 38th year.
Jeff: Dang.
JT Spangler: I wonder if they've gotten any better.
Jeff: that's i can't I can't imagine that they did.
JT Spangler: ah But yeah, dude, and also like the whole movie is shot handheld.
Jeff: um
JT Spangler: And then that one scene where he's making all the phone calls... they put the camera on a tripod and it's stationary and it's like a mid shot. And it's like, so you just have to sit in the discomfort and just like, it's, it's so incredibly awkward.
Jeff: God, it's so great. That's what I was thinking. And he leaves it. And they don't follow him either. He leaves and walks off.
JT Spangler: No, no.
Jeff: And then you hear him walking right back up and grabbing the phone and dialing. God, it's so hard to watch. And it's so great. I love it.
JT Spangler: This is, and dude, it's so it's so cringe.
Jeff: I love it.
JT Spangler: It's incredible. It's kind hilarious. And also, like, I just, I mean, I remember in the 90s, and like, you might go out with your friends, and you might meet a young lady at the bar, and you might get her phone number. And there was a lot of discussions about when you were going to call.
JT Spangler: And also, like, it wasn't like you were calling a cell phone, really. You were, like, calling a phone. And, like, so you go, like, might, like, i dare I wait, like, a couple days to call, and I left a message with someone. I don't know who I left the message with.
Jeff: Right.
JT Spangler: But then like a couple days after that, I don't know if they even got the message. it's like, do call back or do I just like, I guess that person's gone forever. Like,
Jeff: It's so weird to me that you got to wait. Like I don't, you don't, you don't want to scare off the beautiful babies that might be ready to party though.
JT Spangler: yeah.
JT Spangler: Yeah. But dude, but now I'm sure that kids are like, ah, if you like a girl, you got to freaking not reply to too many of her Snapchat stories or like, you can't, you can't send two text messages in a row. I'm sure there's rules. I don't know what they are, but I'm sure it's the same shit.
Jeff: I definitely don't. Yeah. That's, I never went by the wait two days rule. You got to wait a day. Oh, so tomorrow, no tomorrow.
JT Spangler: No, tomorrow and then a day.
Jeff: And then a day I never,
JT Spangler: like but you know he's like But now every day two days is kind of industry-centered. I feel like everyone's doing two days. So I think three days is kind of the money. he's But two days is enough.
Jeff: it's kind of money. It's kind of money.
JT Spangler: But three days is kind of the money.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Well, how long are you guys to wait to call your babies? Six days.
Jeff: Six days. ah Dude, I never ah went by that. I never, but that's a whole different episode.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: um
JT Spangler: my My first scene, i had the I had the answering machine message because that's the most iconic part of this movie for me.
Jeff: What's your first one?
JT Spangler: My first scene in chronological order was ah Vegas Double Down.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: And Vegas is like the fifteen first 15 minutes of this 90-minute movie, so it's a bunch of scenes.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: I could have picked all of them.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: but But the one I picked is they walk into the casino, and it's this freaking old casino. It's just nothing but people wheeling around oxygen tanks, feeding slot machines, and they're like they got their suits on.
Jeff: Yeah. No, baby, this is old school. It's old school. Oh, yeah. It's definitely old school.
JT Spangler: Because he's like, they're going to fall all over themselves for a couple high rollers like me and you.
Jeff: Oh, man.
JT Spangler: Dude, he's so fucking awkward. He's like, I got $300, but I'm only going to bet with $100. But I figured we'd throw some money around. The pit boss can take care of us.
Jeff: He's counting it.
JT Spangler: Dude, and Jon Favreau's like counting the money.
Jeff: Oh, man.
JT Spangler: And the dealer's like, just shift you have to lay it on the table. hes like, i don't want to bet at all. He's like, i can't you can't hand me money.
Jeff: ah
JT Spangler: And dude, it's so crystal clear that he has no idea what's going on.
Jeff: not but Yeah, he's no idea.
JT Spangler: And the dealer's like, changing 300. And he's like, hands him three black chips. And he's like, is this, do you have any smaller chips? He's like, most certainly do. But this is a $100 minimum bet table.
JT Spangler: Perhaps you'd be happy at one of our more lower stakes tables. And you look over there and it's like, it looks like a freaking little kid's birthday party. No one knows what's going on.
Jeff: Yeah. And he's trying to teach the old lady how to play blackjack and there's a biker next to her.
JT Spangler: Dude, and he's frigging, he puts the $100 chip down and he gets dealt five and a six.
Jeff: Uh, uh,
JT Spangler: in that And like frigging Vince Vaughn's over shows you, dude, 11, you got to double down. And he's like, I'm going to double down, it's another $100. He's like, you got to double down, you have to double down 11. And the dude, and it's his turn and everyone's looking at him and the dealer.
JT Spangler: And finally he's double down.
Jeff: And they're argued still. Yeah. He's still, he's like, yeah, I just, I'm just saying it's double down. And he like turns around in mid sentence and yells at it's freaking great.
JT Spangler: And then, of course, he loses, the dealer gets 21, and then it cuts to them at the freaking little kid's birthday party table, jammed in there with their suits, playing like $2 blackjack.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: And...
Jeff: All right. So did you see the thing about who the guy was at the high rollers table?
JT Spangler: Yes, I did.
Jeff: That was Vince Vaughn's dad.
JT Spangler: And Svon's dad was the guy at the $100 table, and the and the grandma who the grandma who got breakfast comped was Jon Favreau's grandmother.
Jeff: And who's the old lady?
Jeff: Yeah. She keeps it.
JT Spangler: So they put both of them...
Jeff: She she gets 15 and then hits and she's at 17 and hits again.
JT Spangler: Dude, she's just hitting it, hitting it, hitting it.
Jeff: and she just keeps going 21. Ah, and then dude, when Jon Favreau's clapping and he just turns his head and stares right in front of us. Ah, it's so great.
Jeff: It's so great.
JT Spangler: so I loved everything about the Vegas bit of this movie but I was like I gotta just pick one scene and I freaking love that one and if if I can stay with that one until they go to breakfast afterwards I definitely god that should have said like why did make like a like a cocktail waitress gonna get an obscure French philosophical reference hang on Voltaire
Jeff: Well, ah mine's from Vegas.
Jeff: i should just said I should have just said I want to jump your ignorant bones. ah Dude, i put um I put the Vegas trip, but I put ah the part where she's like, ah the girl walks up and says like, ah I walked around for like an hour with that stupid scotch on my tray.
Jeff: and She's like, guy behind the guy. ah Because he was, dude, Vince, I was just being such a jerk. And dude, when he is like, but I going to, this 50 cent piece has your name all on it.
Jeff: If you can make it, I'm going count. I'm going to count. One, three.
JT Spangler: like I'm going to be timing you.
Jeff: Dude, he's he's such a jerk.
JT Spangler: She's walking away. He's like yelling. He's like three, four. he's And, and John Favreau was like, well, I can't believe what an asshole you are.
Jeff: um
JT Spangler: He's like, what? That was money. She smiled. He's like, they like it.
Jeff: She's next. You think she's coming back? Yeah, dude, that was my second part. I love that at Vegas.
JT Spangler: Dude, that Vegas thing is, the whole bit is incredible.
Jeff: oh
JT Spangler: The freaking...
Jeff: And they're pulling up in the car and they're in slow-mo in there. He's like, what where's your fucking suit? You said you were going to be wearing a suit. I can't. You know, you got to go in with the suit. Fine. Hold the wheel. I'll put my suit on now.
Jeff: Dude, all just it's so perfect. It's well-written, perfectly acted.
JT Spangler: But when they're going to Vegas, so when I lived in LA, I did the drive from LA to Vegas a bunch because I played shows in Vegas. And dude, people, like, you know how sometimes we'd be in Hammond, we're going out and we're like, ah, it's Brown Doris, this place is shitty.
JT Spangler: Like, dude, let's just go to New Orleans.
Jeff: place is dead anyway.
JT Spangler: Let's go to Katz. And we're like, and so at like midnight, you'd be like, dude, let's just go to New Orleans. Let's go karaoke. Let's go to Cats.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: And like you get in the car and drive an hour, an hour and a half and you go care and you get home at like four 30 in the morning.
Jeff: Yeah. Right.
JT Spangler: People in l LA would do that with Vegas, except Vegas is like fucking four hours away.
Jeff: Four. Almost four. Yeah. Almost four.
JT Spangler: Yeah. People will pretend like it's two hours. And like, it's not dude, it's four hours.
Jeff: No.
JT Spangler: And so I've been in that like, woo Vegas.
Jeff: That's crazy.
JT Spangler: And then it cuts to Vegas, Vegas, baby.
Jeff: Vegas. Vegas.
JT Spangler: It's like so fucking far away.
Jeff: it's ah It's hard to keep that momentum going the whole time. um Dude, that's awesome. so my second one was also the Vegas trip. um ah You want to do your second one since mine was the same?
JT Spangler: Yes. My second one is they, and the ah and all five of the friends go to the party in the Hills. And it's like, dude, so it's like, it's Jon Favreau, it's Vince Vaughn, it's Jon Favreau's friend from back home, Ron Livingston from Peter from Office Space.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: I wouldn't say been missing it.
Jeff: of
JT Spangler: and then and then Sue and then but their friend Alex. And they freaking, they meet at the bar and it's like, this place dead anyway.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: And they go to the party and do they all, get all five get in their cars and they freaking synchronize, their door closes and they drive up to the hills
Jeff: I love that guy.
Jeff: he looking down? and it
JT Spangler: And they get to this house party and it's just another like Vince Vaughn's like, Vince Vaughn's standing over in the corner with Patrick Van Horn with Sue. And this just like, he's like, it's a guy that a little game going on over here.
Jeff: it's like a down
JT Spangler: He's is she looking at me? He's like, no, she's not looking at me. He's like, about now? she looking at me now? No, no, she's not looking at you now. He's all right. What about now? She's like, no, dude, she's not looking at you. She's never looking.
Jeff: Oh, man.
JT Spangler: Stop asking. well She just looked. He's like, they're doing that shit. It's just fucking killing me. Jon Favreau is trying to talk to that one girl and he's like, he's like, you be my wingman. And he and Ron Livingston, she was like, Hey ladies. And she just like, what kind of car do you drive?
JT Spangler: Drive a Cavalier.
Jeff: Cavalier.
JT Spangler: So red Cavalier.
Jeff: dread red red caval oh man and then t-bone he's just freaking talking to all the ladies but and then there's a part where they're standing by the the the liquor area the bar quote bar by the way that guy alex reaches over and grabs a a whole thing like the the scotch comes into like a metal tube he grabbed the whole thing and just walked off with it um
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: dude They're standing there and the guy walks up and he's like, oh my God, it's so good to see. He's like giving him a hug and he's like, yeah. He's like, who was that? He's like, I have i have no idea. why live that on a daily basis. It's so great.
Jeff: It's so great.
JT Spangler: Oh my God.
Jeff: that I should have picked that. Yeah.
JT Spangler: I love this scene, dude, and it cracks me up.
Jeff: that's
JT Spangler: But then the story about it is just as good because they're like, we have a party scene in the movie, but we don't have the money for a party. But we know these guys who live in the hills who are producers. They love to throw parties. Let's just have them throw a party and then go like, while the party's going on, we'll just show up and shoot our scenes in the party.
Jeff: yeah
Jeff: Nice.
JT Spangler: So there's a bunch of people at the party who are just friends with these guys that aren't in the, like Adam Scott is Jon Favreau's downstairs neighbor from Parks and Rec and from Severance.
Jeff: Nice.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: He's like, I was at that party. We didn't know they were even shooting a movie at the time.
Jeff: That's freaking great.
JT Spangler: And like one of the other guys who's at that party is a guy named Mike White who wrote School of Rock and was like Jack Black's like bandmate in that movie.
Jeff: his his Yeah, yeah he was the he was the guy who actually owned the apartment Jack Black was crashing.
JT Spangler: Exactly.
Jeff: I like that guy.
JT Spangler: And then Mike White, but then Mike White has gone on to be pretty well known in the last five years or so because he's the creator and showrunner of White Lotus.
Jeff: lotus yeah that's that guy's good yeah yeah um
JT Spangler: he's like, yeah, how was he' he's like I was at that party. I didn't, none of us knew what was going on. I'm like, dude, I love that gorilla. They're like, throw a party. And so like the, the guy that played ah Charles Alex, they's there.
JT Spangler: i don't know he pronounce his last name. It's got an, uh, some kind of emphasis mark.
Jeff: it's got an emphasis it's got you put the wrong emphasis on the wrong syllable
JT Spangler: That sounds right. But the point is that he was like, that was an actual party. So when he's reaching over there to grab that thing, that's really scotch.
Jeff: Yeah, that's somebody's.
JT Spangler: Like he's,
Jeff: whoop The beers! Jake's like, that looks like real beer in that bottle. I was like, it probably is!
JT Spangler: Yeah, that wasn't, it wasn't apple juice. It was actually scotch. So like there, and he even said, he's like, I might have imbibed during that scene.
Jeff: but
JT Spangler: i I'm not going to say anything else about it.
Jeff: That's great. That's great.
JT Spangler: Like, it's amazing. They just shot the party and like, just, I'm sure people were going like, why is it so fucking bright in here? And it's like, well, why is a guy walking around with a camera? Don't worry about it.
Jeff: Why is the guy walking around with a camera that has a jacket tied around it?
JT Spangler: and then a comforter tied around that.
Jeff: That's freaking wonderful. yeah
JT Spangler: But yeah, but dude, there's, just think about how many times we just said, like, what kind of car do you drive?
Jeff: yeah
JT Spangler: I drove cat Cavalier. It's a red, red Cavalier.
Jeff: Cavalier. Red Cavalier.
JT Spangler: Dude, what was that fricking maroon piece of shit car you used to have?
Jeff: um Not the Dynasty. That one was blue.
JT Spangler: No.
Jeff: and Was it a Cavalier?
JT Spangler: I was, that's what i was trying to remember.
Jeff: i don't think it was a Cavalier.
JT Spangler: I don't think it, but it was like that kind of, it was that kind of fricking sedan.
Jeff: It starts with C. It starts with C. Yeah, it definitely does. Yeah.
JT Spangler: crappy maroon sedan.
Jeff: um ah Chevy Cavalier doesn't sound right. i don't think that's right, but it's it's something like that.
JT Spangler: No, it doesn't.
Jeff: It starts with C. ah
Jeff: Oh, man, that's funny. I don't know. um
Jeff: Dude, I don't know. I don't know what it could be.
JT Spangler: Corsica.
Jeff: Corsica!
JT Spangler: Is that a Corsica? I feel like it was a
Jeff: It was a Corsica! but Oh, man. I remember we added a CD player to that. And then they were doing construction on the interstate. And it never said bump. And it was just like hitting a curb. And ever since I hit that curb, the CD wouldn't eject unless I had a butter knife.
Jeff: So then I had to have a butter knife sitting on the dash of the Corsica. Oh, man, that's freaking great.
JT Spangler: So like this movie comes out and you're driving an old maroon Chevy Corsica.
Jeff: What a...
JT Spangler: I think how many times you must've said that.
Jeff: yeah A whole bunch. A whole bunch.
JT Spangler: So yeah, so that's three for me Vegas, double down, the party in the hills, leaving the answer machine messages. And then I had a bonus, but you go, what's your third?
Jeff: Well, my third one is the final phone call. So he Mike's at home and he gets a phone call from his ex-girlfriend and starts, she starts saying stuff like how I miss you and um stuff like that.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: um And then there's a call waiting. He gets a beep. Somebody's beeping in and he says, let me just get rid of this. And he answers it and it's freaking Heather Graham.
Jeff: And Heather Graham's like, I don't know if I was supposed to wait or what.
JT Spangler: Yeah. Yeah.
Jeff: I just wanted to call you. And and he gets rid of the other one, goes back. he says, yeah, let me just get rid of the person on the other line. And he tells the ex-girlfriend, like, look, I got to go.
Jeff: I can't talk. I'll call you back when you get back from your trip or whatever. And as he's hanging up, she's like, okay, well, I love you. And like, he hangs up on her. That's freaking great. That's wonderful.
Jeff: And then he goes back and talks to her and like his facial acting there is fantastic. You could tell how like his whole demeanor changed. It was great. um And then he's telling what's his name afterwards, how he did the whole thing to those. I love that last phone call. I put that one in there. That was a nice ah character arc and how he, how it finished for me. That was perfect.
JT Spangler: Yeah, dude, that was...
Jeff: but Plus it's Heather Graham. I want to talk to Heather Graham on the phone too.
JT Spangler: That was great, and he was... That you
JT Spangler: he was that was supposed to be the last scene of the movie, and then the director, Doug Liman, was like... He was like, hey, I think... like The movie was just going to end. They were just going to do a freaking... Jon Favreau was like, after that phone call, we just there was like a crane shot through the window, and there's a helicopter pullback shot that we couldn't afford.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: and it And Doug Liman was like, I don't think that's the... the end of the movie because this, it really isn't a romantic story. It's like the, the story of the movie is the story of your friendship with Trent.
Jeff: The friends, right? Yeah.
JT Spangler: And so Jon Favreau like, all right, we got to like, well, I will write another scene. We had figured another scene. And then he remembered a story that Vince Vaughn had told him about that. Like witnessing that kind of like, yeah yeah like that little peekaboo thing with a guy at an airport.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: And he was like, well, is this guy making weird faces at this girl? it's like, oh, he's that there's a baby that I couldn't see.
Jeff: Nice.
JT Spangler: And so then they go to the diner and they're like, but they can't, they're in their twenties. None of them have a baby. They don't know anyone who has a baby. So they're like wandering the neighborhood going like, can we borrow your baby? And everyone's like get the fuck away from me.
JT Spangler: And they finally like found someone like that was parked there. They have a car seat, find them. It's cool. Give you 50 bucks. We just need your baby for an hour. And the parents are like, okay.
Jeff: That's freaking great.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: That's great. I didn't know that story. That's awesome.
JT Spangler: Yep.
Jeff: you
JT Spangler: Also, the person who was the line producer on this movie was someone named Nicole La Loggia.
Jeff: Yeah, that's the the voice, right?
JT Spangler: um
Jeff: That she did the phone call?
JT Spangler: She does Michelle's voice on the phone call, but she's also one the, like, she's line producer on the movie. Just freaking great, man.
Jeff: That's awesome.
JT Spangler: Dude, that's a great scene. I love that one. I i would have been okay with the movie ending there, but I also am fine with the ah them going to the
Jeff: Yeah. I like, i love the him holding up the napkin. He's like, you're naughty. He's like pointing at just so, so funny.
JT Spangler: doing the peekaboo.
Jeff: So funny.
JT Spangler: My, that my bonus one that was when they go to see a big bad voodoo daddy playing at whatever.
Jeff: What's your bonus one?
JT Spangler: i don't know where that was. I don't know all the names of the places, but
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: And it's like, oh, dude, there's a line and they go walk around and it's like this really long, like steady cam trailing shot with Mike and Trent and Sue. And they're like walking around and they're talking to the bouncers like, hey, what's up, man?
JT Spangler: Tony, hey, did you get that part? He's no. He's like, well, you look, you're working out, you look big.
Jeff: You're looking like you're working out.
JT Spangler: And then they're going through the kitchen.
Jeff: That's great.
JT Spangler: They're like high fiving people. It's like, Rico? Like they know all the like laundry women. And then they walk out into the bar and Big Bad Voodoo Daddy's playing. And they like they sit at the reserved booth. But dude,
Jeff: To just slide all the stuff out of the way.
JT Spangler: So that's where he meets Heather Graham, which to me is the real like turning point of the movie for Jon Favreau.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Cause he's like talking to her and he's doing a good job and like he's walking into her car and like they exchange numbers. But also while that's happening, one of my favorite things in the movie is happening with Vince Vaughn and Patrick Van Horn because the guy, well that they're like, they're getting hammered and they're like, he's like Vince Vaughn's like slapping him.
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: Dude, look, it's fucking on. so yeah
JT Spangler: He's dude, it's on, it's on, it's cheers.
Jeff: Look, it's on.
JT Spangler: And, But while he's doing that, Sue, Patrick Van Horn, has a girl sitting next to him who's mad that he never called her, and he's trying to convince her that he really did call her, and Vince Vaughn is fucking throwing him under the bus.
Jeff: I don't know. We were playing football that Thursday. I don't remember you leaving.
JT Spangler: He's like, dude, it's strange that never told me about her, because, and I don't remember, and then someone else comes up, and the cut's like, he's like, here's what happened.
Jeff: minor
JT Spangler: She's a nice girl, and he's
Jeff: She's a very nice girl and he never called her.
JT Spangler: freaking selling out his buddy so hard, and it was killing me.
Jeff: Oh, that girl was just angry the whole time too. The whole time. Even when they were like stupid drunk and doing shots like, dude, for our boy, come on. And she's just like sitting there like rolling up a napkin angry.
JT Spangler: She was still sitting there.
Jeff: It's great.
JT Spangler: i don't remember you leaving it for long enough to call anyone that day. This is a weird thing. and like just full Just full on fucking selling them out. And I loved it.
Jeff: Vince Vaughn is such, he's so good at being a jerk. It makes me think that maybe he might be like,
JT Spangler: Yeah, dude.
Jeff: Like he's really like when he's drunk that night after it's a shame you couldn't go back home with her because you had to drive us.
JT Spangler: um I don't think that's a...
Jeff: And he's like, no, it's not like that.
JT Spangler: He's like it' like, oh, I'm the asshole. I would never eat here.
Jeff: like, ha ha
JT Spangler: I would.
JT Spangler: Also, I just remember in my 20s, like how much your buddies liked to fuck with you if you were talking to a girl. Like I was in college one time and I was like chatting with a girl and like we we were sitting in a booth and Mike Jones, intern Mike, walked by the booth where we were sitting and dumped a pitcher of beer on my head and then walked away without saying a word.
Jeff: Jesus.
Jeff: Oh, that's way.
JT Spangler: And so, and so i was like, just beer just dripping down my face. and I was just like, so dental school, right? That sounds pretty intense. Like, God.
Jeff: That's horrible. Mike Jones. Always takes it too far. I love it. I love it.
JT Spangler: So, but, but, but that scene, because of Jon Favreau's like character arc and also freaking Sue and Trent destroyed, God, they were cracking me up.
Jeff: They were so good.
JT Spangler: And it's the Big Bad Voodoo Daddy scene. It's like that like, this movie's responsible. they Big Bad Voodoo Daddy's like, we played for like four presidents. like None of that would have happened without swingers. like We'd still just be playing like clubs in LA.
Jeff: that's That's great. That's great. I didn't really like the ska comeback of the late 90s that much, but yeah.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Yeah. um Not my favorite thing, but I'm not mad at it.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: i mean, dudes are wearing suits and they're playing horns. Like, it's cool. It's just not my thing. Like, I love a guy playing an upright bass and people swing dancing, but I'm not excited to go stand in line and do that.
Jeff: Right, right. Yeah.
Jeff: Right. Yeah, same. I'm not wearing a zoot suit. Zoot suit riot. Wait, is that them? That's not them.
JT Spangler: I don't know.
Jeff: That's the, ah what's the other guys? Who's the, um is that their name?
JT Spangler: Cherry popping daddies.
Jeff: Really?
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: The, the impression I get.
JT Spangler: Cherry Pop and Daddy's Zoot Suit Riot, 1997.
Jeff: No, I was thinking of, yeah, that is, I, for some reason I was thinking of the mighty, mighty boss tones. Remember them?
JT Spangler: Oh yeah.
Jeff: um that God, there really was a freaking ska punk revival.
JT Spangler: Yeah, dude, that shit happened. And it's like, Swingers gets a ton of credit for that.
Jeff: That's crazy.
JT Spangler: That to me is, I don't care about that part of the movie. I'm not mad at it, but it didn't, at that part didn't impact me as much as the rest of it, but yeah.
Jeff: Yeah, right, right.
Jeff: Yeah, that's freaking great.
JT Spangler: all right, didn ah and like I could do a million other scenes, like the scenes where they're playing freaking video games, like the scenes where they get it.
Jeff: Is he pink? Is he brown? does it have Is clean?
JT Spangler: If he's clean, invite him in.
Jeff: The pink dot.
JT Spangler: All of that.
Jeff: That's great.
JT Spangler: There's so much about this, like when they go freaking eat, when he's playing par three golf with with Ron Livingston, and he's talking to me, don't
Jeff: Replace the pin, Gigi.
JT Spangler: 10 that do they're playing par three golf and it's right count them up it's like what do you got i got either an eight or a nine i'll give you an eight what'd you get i got an eight like dude that shit i remember playing golf and it's a par three and me and you were both getting eights and it's like you're you're wearing a freaking torn give blood t-shirt and like i'm wearing sandals like it's not like a serious golf yeah
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: Dude, i I always get my money's worth when I go play golf. I hit the ball like 200 times. It's so much fun.
JT Spangler: Ah, dude, i love so there's there's no scene in this movie that I couldn't have put on this list of scenes. That's how much I love it. But anyway, let's do quotes.
Jeff: Yeah, same. I really had to narrow it down. um
JT Spangler: I know.
Jeff: And that makes me angry because I don't i don't want to
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: So, ah dude, I felt I would i would feel remiss if I didn't say, you're so money and you don't even know it.
JT Spangler: I left out a lot of good quotes.
JT Spangler: I got that one.
Jeff: Yeah, i dude, I said that so much, so much ah that I had to put that in there.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
JT Spangler: I said that one a ton, but I also said guy behind the guy about a thousand moments.
Jeff: Guy behind the guy. Yes. Oh God. What?
JT Spangler: my My first one that I wrote down is, that in case somebody steps to you, Snoop Dogg.
Jeff: Dude, I just, this movie's great.
Jeff: Like fucking House of Pain was going to do anything. Oh, that's good.
JT Spangler: You don't know what it's like out here. I'm from LA. You're from Anaheim.
Jeff: Oh man. I can't believe he pulled a gun. ja Jake really couldn't believe.
JT Spangler: Like could have put that, I could have put that scene, dude. He's like, he's like, I protected our rep.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: And then the Charles guy's fuck rep. I got a call back.
Jeff: yeah
JT Spangler: I was God, I love that line too.
Jeff: is yeah I gotta to wake up early.
Jeff: Ah, man. um and My second one is because now I drink scotch ah because when I first tasted it, of course, it tasted like I accidentally sprayed hairspray in my mouth, but now it's delicious. ah So now if I want to feel awkward when I order it, like if somebody's, I'm at a house party, like somebody had a Christmas thing and they're like, dude, what do you you want to drink?
Jeff: I know you like to drink. I got all kinds of stuff. What do you want? I was like, I'll have a scotch on the rocks. Like any scotch will do. Like just not a blend, of course, like a single malt, like Glen Levitt, Glen Fittich.
JT Spangler: Any Glenn?
Jeff: And maybe any Glen, you know, will work. um I say it like that. And they're always, nobody has an idea what I'm talking about.
JT Spangler: No.
Jeff: ah But I ordered it like that when I'm talking to, not at a restaurant or at a bar.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: I don't say that. But if it's friends, I definitely do that. So I had to throw that one in there.
JT Spangler: Dude, that's... I like that one also. I'm positive that when you do that, they bring you a Johnny Walker, which is a blend, and it doesn't really matter.
Jeff: No, no they definitely they definitely do. And I don't care what it is.
JT Spangler: It all tastes like you're licking tree bark, so who cares?
Jeff: It's delightful.
JT Spangler: um i also have...
Jeff: Delightful. By the third one, you don't even taste it anymore. It's great.
JT Spangler: Yeah, it's like cough syrup. i the The other one I put in there is not one that I say a lot anymore, but Vegas, baby. Vegas.
Jeff: Vegas, baby! I had that one as my bonus, yeah.
JT Spangler: Because I've been... because i've been to Vegas a bunch because I lived on the West Coast and I toured. And also like our age group, at least my friends, is like, when we got out of college, we'd be like, dude, let's just go to Vegas. We'll just meet up for the final four. It's like, I've been to Vegas freaking 30 times.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: And you never go there where you're not saying a lot. Vegas!
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Vegas, baby!
Jeff: my So ah Vegas as an adult though is way different.
JT Spangler: Yeah, don't I don't like it anymore. and I don't care if I ever go again. But...
Jeff: Yeah. i Dude, when Kat and I went for the thing, the people were like, oh, isn't this great? You can just drink with an open container. was like, we're from we're from New Orleans. So yeah, yeah.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: Yeah, but there's food everywhere. i'm like, yeah, yeah. we're from We're from New Orleans. But there's casinos.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: I'm like, yeah, we're from New Orleans. Like, we get it.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: Like, it's just hot.
JT Spangler: Like, like, and it's super duper hot. It's like, yeah, it's New Orleans. It's the same. We already had, we had this at home.
Jeff: so We have Vegas.
JT Spangler: We had Vegas at home already.
Jeff: We're not going to Vegas. We have Vegas at home. ah That's great. Yeah, dude, Vegas, baby. Vegas, that's my that was my bonus quote.
JT Spangler: I did think because a lot of the great quotes are from Vince Vaughn, and I thought it was important to mention that the director, Doug Liman, said that every single word Vince Vaughn said in this movie was written in the script.
Jeff: Oh, that's great.
JT Spangler: like that's he Even though he's able to improv, like Jon Favreau had captured his voice so well that like he didn't have to add anything good.
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: He didn't have to ask. that's great dude.
JT Spangler: And can you imagine if they'd given this part to Jason Priestley?
Jeff: that's great.
JT Spangler: Like, what the fuck?
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: It would have been horrible. I wouldn't have watched it. Um, right. So my second quote is from Trent.
JT Spangler: who could Who could have done Vince Vaughn's part? Like, that's fucking Vince Vaughn.
Jeff: Nobody, nobody. Yeah, it is him. It's him. Um, it's one that I said, uh, a lot. Um, our, our baby's all growns up. Um,
JT Spangler: Yes.
Jeff: Like every time somebody would do something and be like, Biggins like, dude, they gave me a raise. I'm now a manager over at the Mickey D's. And I'd be like, dude, my baby's all grown up and he's all grown up.
Jeff: And I would be like doing the dance and putting one foot on the table.
JT Spangler: And he's all growns. Yeah.
Jeff: um I freaking, I love that. I love how loud he is in that whole scene.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: ah he turns around and gives the whole plate of food to the other guy. That's just great. That's great.
JT Spangler: I also like the, I wouldn't do it anymore, obviously, but I remember in our twenties going out to like, you go fricking drive down to New Orleans and we go out and we go drinking and we go karaoke and we stop and get food on the way back.
JT Spangler: And you're, so you're in a diner at like three or four o'clock at the Tiffin Inn.
Jeff: at the tip at the tiffin tiffin tiffin
JT Spangler: Yeah. Tiffin Inn. And I do, i can definitely remember us like just not being like drunken idiots, but just being regular idiots. Just being like, fine, I'll ask her.
Jeff: yeah dude i can't believe yeah of course back then it was funny um
JT Spangler: y'a'll but Yeah. Ma'am, where'd all the high school girls hang out?
JT Spangler: like which now is the opposite of funny now that I'm in my 40s. But when I'm 24, thought that was hilarious. ah And be like, all right, fine. I'm the asshole. I'm the asshole. I would never read here.
Jeff: Dude, I can't believe that we used to eat at the Tiffin Inn. And it's a pancake house. So I can remember ordering like, yeah, I'll have the ah bacon cheeseburger. and they're like, all right, you want fries or pancakes?
Jeff: I'm like, what are we doing? This is amazing. I wish it was still open.
JT Spangler: Yeah. Oh man.
Jeff: and She's not open anymore.
JT Spangler: That Tiffin Inn was like, ah if if you feel like Waffle House was too clean, you might want to check out Tiffin Inn.
Jeff: I've seen a gun three times in my life and two of them were in a Waffle House. um Yeah, dude. um i I would find that less funny now if there were groups of people laughing like Vince Vaughn was and acting like that.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: But God, it was funny when we were young.
JT Spangler: Oh man.
Jeff: So funny.
JT Spangler: Yeah, I think so.
Jeff: Our baby's all grown up now.
JT Spangler: So my quotes are Vegas, baby. You're so money. You don't even know it. And in case somebody steps to you, Snoop Dogg, and I could have had another 30 or 40, but like the, lot of the quotes are iconic and I, I feel like I had to include them.
Jeff: Well,
Jeff: the for yeah, that that's why I put this on money. I could not put that one. um The one where he says, ah where he's trying to give Jon Favreau a pep talk and he's like, it was in the trailer or the teaser or whatever.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: He's like, I don't want you to be the guy in the PG 13 movie. Everyone really hopes makes it happen.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: I want you to be the guy in the rated R movies. The one you're not sure you like yet and don't know where he's coming from. All right. You're a bad man. You're a bad man. and he slaps him on the ass. ah Dude, i I love that. I remember us saying that a lot.
Jeff: This movie is so much us. That's crazy. It's crazy.
JT Spangler: Well, dude, iah I mean, we're so, all right. Is that all your quotes?
Jeff: Yeah, it's all of them. Yeah, yeah.
JT Spangler: right. So next is characters. And my first is a double down Vince Vaughn, Trent.
Jeff: Vince Vaughn, dude.
JT Spangler: Because I think it's like, i mean, he's hilarious and he's a huge dickhead.
Jeff: So quotable.
JT Spangler: And I'm sure maybe he grows to be an adult who isn't like that anymore because that happens sometimes.
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: Right.
JT Spangler: But also like, dude, it's such a good... He's an incredible friend because he really, and like Jon Favreau says, like I really was the kind of guy who like after a breakup, I just didn want to sit in my house for a while. And Vince really is the kind of guy who will call you over and over again until you agree to come do something.
JT Spangler: That's such an important friend to have.
Jeff: Right.
JT Spangler: Like the guy who's like, hey dude, you got to get out of that apartment.
Jeff: You got to those guys right.
JT Spangler: You can't be just sitting like moping around there waiting for her to call drinking orange juice. He's like, come on it's gonna beautiful babies.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: He's no, we're not. He's like, I'm not going to Vegas. He's like, no, no, you listen to me. like, we are going to Vegas. He's like, wait I want you to wear something nice.
Jeff: yeah
JT Spangler: he's like I'm not going. And then cut to, they're driving to Vegas. Like, that's an important friend to have.
Jeff: Yeah. Yeah. You got to have those guys. ah do. He's super charismatic and horribly obnoxious. But those two things together make him super quotable.
Jeff: I freaking...
JT Spangler: Well, so this, we got this movie and then I think in either 97 or 98, we've got High Fidelity. And like Vince Vaughn in this movie and Jack Black in High Fidelity is like, those are the perfect versions of those guys.
JT Spangler: Like if they're, if they're playing those characters, I'm like, you can't do any better than those guys are doing that.
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: Yeah, yeah.
JT Spangler: So everything he's done since then, if it's not, if it's not Trent, I don't like it as much.
Jeff: Right. Right, right.
JT Spangler: And the best movies of Vince Vaughn is when he's like, dude, I love the breakup.
Jeff: Yeah, because...
JT Spangler: And he's just, there's a lot of Trent in that character. Like he's playing f freaking video games and that.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: He's like talking shit. He's like making friends with people and he's high-fiving.
Jeff: What about... Yeah, the and the same thing with the the wedding crashers and stuff like that.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: Like, ah dude, he...
JT Spangler: Wedding Crashers. Like that's the, like the charismatic, like outspoken, like gregarious asshole who's you probably don't want him to date someone that you care about, but like, he's a great friend.
Jeff: He's good. Yeah.
Jeff: Right. Yeah. Yeah. Four Christmases. You saw that one?
JT Spangler: Four Christmases.
Jeff: Reese Witherspoon. ah The one after this that really puts them on the map, though, is Spielberg. And I mean, Jurassic Park. Was that Spielberg? The second one? I think he did the second one.
JT Spangler: I think it was.
Jeff: I can't remember if he does the second one, but it's ah him doing that second Jurassic park. Really? I think put them on the map and helped him, helped him do the thing.
Jeff: um
JT Spangler: I don't, maybe.
Jeff: Maybe it wasn't Spielberg that did.
JT Spangler: I'm not sure about that. um Because, I mean, that's the Jurassic Park sequel. It's directed by Spielberg. um
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: That's 97. But then, like, to me, I felt like Vince Vaughn, he got that, like, 2000s, like that aughts. Like, dude, he does old school dodgeball, wedding crashers, and back-to-back-to-back years.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: And then he does the breakup, which doesn't do as well, but I really like it.
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: And he was like, four Christmases, couples retreat. Like he's just, but he had that run in the aughts where he did incredible, like old school dodgeball and wedding crashers in a three-year run. It's like, it's not quite Jim Carrey's three-year comedy run, but it's pretty fucking close.
JT Spangler: Like it's amazing.
Jeff: it's it's um and it's way more filthy than i remember because i'm thinking dodgeball i can watch that with the kids oh man i didn't realize uh it's dude he's he's killing it he's killing it um i had vince vaughn first i had john favre a second um
JT Spangler: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Yeah, I had Jon Favreau second.
Jeff: just ah Dude, I like Jon Favreau, the actor, fine.
JT Spangler: Me too.
Jeff: I like Jon Favreau, the screenwriter and filmmaker, way better. I freaking love me some Jon Favreau. I mean, he's got a movie.
JT Spangler: He's a really good actor.
Jeff: It's in the theater right now.
JT Spangler: Does he?
Jeff: ah the
JT Spangler: What is it?
Jeff: The Mandalorian Groku movie is him, isn't it? Did he not do that?
JT Spangler: Um.
Jeff: Or he just made that idea?
JT Spangler: i think he's I think he's one of the people involved with the like steering of the current Star Wars franchise, but I'm not sure. I didn't see Mandalorian. Let's see. Yeah, says directed and written by Jon Favreau, written by Jon, Dave Filoni, and Noah Klor.
Jeff: Oh, yeah that's the yeah, that's the guy who wrote the TV show with him.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: um
JT Spangler: um kind Honestly, man, I'm kind of, i mean, I'm happy for him because he's like sitting on a freaking solid gold throne, but I'm kind of bummed that he's gotten trapped in like Star Wars and MCU because I would like for him to do more like this movie and like Chef.
Jeff: Right.
Jeff: MC.
JT Spangler: I like his independent stuff where he like writes, interacts and does stuff and even made.
Jeff: Yeah, Chef was good, too.
JT Spangler: So like I, I'm like, dude, there's a million people who could probably do a pretty good job of running Star Wars. And I wouldn't be upset if he handed it off to one of them and did more shit like that.
Jeff: Right. I, um, that's what I'm saying. I like the, he's just, he's good. He, him as a, as an actor is great, but him as a writer, he nails it.
JT Spangler: He's awesome, man.
JT Spangler: Well, dude, him in PCU. Can you blow me where the pamper is?
Jeff: Yeah. Dude.
JT Spangler: He's a great actor. I fucking love him as an actor. But yeah, as a as a writer director, he's he's incredible.
Jeff: Didn't as he, he did elf, right. Isn't that he directed that?
JT Spangler: Yes.
Jeff: That was his, yeah, that's freaking great.
JT Spangler: Yes. Yes, he did. um Who's your third?
Jeff: That's great. ah My third dude, I wanted to put, um ah wanted to put Sue, but I went with Ron Livingston because um i liked how he was like the actual, like,
Jeff: don't know, voice of maturity in in the thing.
JT Spangler: Right.
Jeff: ah i I liked how he he played it. I love the fact that he was like, I don't know if I got the part or not yet. Like they haven't called me back and everybody's like, yeah, you didn't get it. And he didn't tell his folks yet. And he's fretting over whether he wants to try out to be goofy.
Jeff: And then he ends up not getting the part. And at the end, he's like, gotta kill for that role.
JT Spangler: you were gonna kill for that part.
Jeff: Like, I just love, and I do, I love Ron Livingston. Louder Milk was fantastic. Office Space, dude, you would love it.
JT Spangler: I love Loudermilk.
Jeff: It's so funny. And then Office Space, Office Space is, dude, it's, I love me some Ron Livingston.
JT Spangler: Yeah, I do. I love it.
Jeff: There's a movie he does called Two Neenahs. where he's dating two girls named Nina. And it I have it on DVD, but it's taken me forever to find it when I finally got it. ah It's hilarious.
Jeff: Like, I just love him as an actor. And I think he did really good at this. I like his character in this.
JT Spangler: He's great. um I really like him in this movie. He's like kind of the like conscience of the group. And it's also like he's the, he's like giving pep talks to ah Jon Favreau because he's, Jon Favreau's like sitting in his apartment drinking orange juice.
Jeff: But not not like you got to get out there and hook up with chicks, get like Trent is.
JT Spangler: No, no, but like, but Jon Favreau's like, I might move back.
Jeff: Yeah, like actual advice.
JT Spangler: I might move back east. and he's like, dude, he's like, He's like, one of the reasons I came out here is because I saw how well you're doing. And Jon Favreau is like, he's like, I was like, i host an open mic night and I played a fucking bus driver on movie.
JT Spangler: He's like, dude, you got, you got an agent, you got management, and you got into a movie, you got like, you made it.
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: Specializes in magicians.
JT Spangler: Yeah. He's like, you made it, you know?
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: at a And he's like, and if your life is awful, that mean mine that means mine is even worse.
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: Right.
JT Spangler: like I just, he's like, he's that guy. he And he's telling John Favreau, you don't, your problem is you don't look at the things that you have. You only look at the things that you don't have.
Jeff: Right.
JT Spangler: ah So it's a really important role.
Jeff: And this is...
JT Spangler: And I freaking love Ron Livingston.
Jeff: those quotes that you just gave are super important to the movie to moving John Favreau forward. But also those aren't the quotes that everybody yells all the time, but they're super important to the movie. And that's why I felt, I felt like i had to put them in there.
JT Spangler: Yeah, man. He's awesome. I liked his role. He did a good job. And he said, like, these guys all said, like, because when they were trying to get people to buy the movie, they would just they would just do a play version of they would just do a stage reading.
JT Spangler: And so these guys are all doing it.
Jeff: Oh, nice.
JT Spangler: They're all friends with Jon Favreau. And Jon Favreau was like, one of the reasons why we could shoot so quickly is we'd all done it a bunch.
Jeff: Right.
JT Spangler: And like Vince Vaughn, because they everyone knew that they were going to give the Vince Vaughn part to a star.
Jeff: That's awesome.
JT Spangler: He was like, I didn't even think that I could be the guy who eventually played Trent for real. um
Jeff: That's great.
JT Spangler: I know, man.
Jeff: That's great that he got to do it.
JT Spangler: Yeah. It is great. No, Ron Livingston is awesome. I love him. Louder Milk is my jam. Office Space, when 99 comes around and I've moved to having like eight or nine DVDs, that's one of them.
Jeff: Yeah. ah It's gotta be.
JT Spangler: My third was was Heather Graham.
Jeff: God, that's...
Jeff: She did great.
JT Spangler: just because she's she's not in um ah She's not in a bunch of the movie, but it's a really memorable bit of the movie. And I don't always think that she's the world's greatest actress, but I thought she it was really good here.
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: um And it's the kind of perfect, like, oh, look, she's in a similar situation. She moved out to LA. She's not real sure how to get around or like how to get the club onto her steering wheel or you know like why do all the bars or why are they all secret?
Jeff: Right.
Jeff: Dude, we had to pause it and I had to explain to Jake what the club is because I was like, oh, snap the club.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: And then she honks the horn trying to get it off. And it's so great. So great.
JT Spangler: So she was really good. And that and Jon Favreau said he really did learn how to swing dance at the Derby where the Big Bad Voodoo Daddies are playing. He's like, they did swing dancing lessons and I went and learned.
JT Spangler: And then when like I worked with Heather Graham, I taught her how to dance you know like while we were getting ready for this movie to shoot.
Jeff: Yeah, that's freaking great.
JT Spangler: Because course, I mean, they got no budget. So there's not, they're not stuntmen there. That's them doing it.
Jeff: That's them actually dancing.
JT Spangler: And like everyone around them paid to get in and is on film. You know what i mean? So, yeah.
Jeff: That's awesome. That's awesome. um i Yeah, dude, I love Heather Graham. I've loved her since she was Mercedes on License to Drive.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: um So I've always liked Heather Graham. Dude, her um on Scrubs. Remember her on Scrubs? She was good on that.
JT Spangler: Yeah. She's great, man. For someone who's not all that great of an actress, she's been in some really good stuff and has done a typically like a pretty good job.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: But in this one, I really liked her.
Jeff: Yeah. Yeah. she played She played this part really well. Like the awkward.
JT Spangler: And I couldn't figure out, I was just, i couldn't decide between Ron Livingston and Patrick Van Horn. And I was like, dude, let me just, i'm just going to give it to Heather Graham because I shout out She was awesome in this at a very important, like critical point of the movie.
Jeff: Right. Right.
JT Spangler: All right, man.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: ah Writer, director, writer, Jon Favreau. Director, Doug Liman.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: He ends up doing like Born Supremacy and ah ah Mr. and Mrs. Smith and, you know.
Jeff: Dude, I was shocked. I knew he did um the The Edge of Tomorrow.
JT Spangler: Go. Edge of Tomorrow.
Jeff: I knew that was him. I didn't know he did American Made, that one with Tom Cruise and the plane and the cocaine.
JT Spangler: I really like that one.
Jeff: um Dude, it was really awesome. I didn't know he did Mr. and Mrs. Smith. I need to go back and watch that again. That was freaking great.
JT Spangler: Mr. and Mrs. Smith is one of my favorites. I've seen that one a bunch.
Jeff: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So ah now I'm interested to go see.
JT Spangler: And Go. i really like Go.
Jeff: Go is fantastic. I... i
Jeff: There's a lot of quotes in that movie that I used to do. um the I kind of want to go back and watch some of his other stuff. Now that I know that he directed it, I want to know if it's any good that I haven't seen.
Jeff: I'm going to have to go back and check it out. Stuff like ah Fair Game.
JT Spangler: I'm trying to think, dude. Like, the stuff I'm looking at...
Jeff: I don't know what that's. I know it's got people I recognize, Naomi Watts and Sean Penn, but like I've never seen that.
JT Spangler: Oh yeah, I've never seen that. I've seen almost everything that he made. Well, I guess I didn't see the wall.
Jeff: I started lockdown um because I'd like me some Anne Hathaway, but I never i never saw the whole thing.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: um ah Chaos Walking, I've never seen that. like i kind of want to see what these are what these are all about. The Instigators, Scott frigging Casey Affleck and Matt Damon.
JT Spangler: Yeah, dude, that looks good.
Jeff: that I mean, like I don't know if those are any good, but I kind of want to watch them now.
JT Spangler: Yeah, so he's like, it's funny because he was the kind of voice of experience for this movie. And he says in the oral history, he's like, I wasn't, I didn't have that much experience. But compared to John who had none, like I kind of knew a lot.
Jeff: Right, right, right.
JT Spangler: And so I ended up having to answer a lot And he's like, at one point, i think it's like I think John got concerned because he found me reading a book that was said like, how to light for movies 101.
JT Spangler: It's like literally reading a book about how to, cause they didn't have a DP. um
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: But this movie is great. I love all the like gorilla handheld independent shit. Like just bagged the bar like, dude, can we come in and film? We're not going to pay you, but like also you could just keep operating. Like that shit is all awesome.
Jeff: That's great. That's great that he's able to he was able to do it. And that his dad knew enough rich people.
JT Spangler: Yeah. Everybody knows Jon Favreau. I don't think we really need to talk a ton about him.
Jeff: Yeah. He's he's happy. Happy Hogan. Happy Hogan? I think that's his name.
JT Spangler: The cool thing about this is that I moved to l LA like 15 years after this movie comes out and a lot of the stuff that's in the movie is still there when I'm there. like the The par three golf course they're playing on, the Los Feliz par three, that was in my neighborhood when I lived in l LA. And when I lived in Hollywood, a lot of the stuff they went to was like,
JT Spangler: and Dude, that shit was still there. Like you could go to it. you I mean, you can go see Marty and Elaine 30 years later, but ah even 15 years later, you could see a lot of the stuff, Dereby the Dresden.
Jeff: That's crazy. God, that's crazy that those two are still playing. I can't.
JT Spangler: Yeah. and did you Did you so read the oral history thing?
Jeff: I saw the article. I didn't read it. No. I know what you're talking about, though.
JT Spangler: i run it I read it 10 years ago and I reread it again. It's fantastic because it's just like interviews with the people. But in that is a is a link to images from Jon Favreau's sketchbook. And he storyboarded the movie in his sketchbook.
JT Spangler: and
Jeff: Oh, nice.
JT Spangler: I'm like, dude, this shit is so cool. I wish there easy way for us to like share that. Maybe I can put a link to it in the episode description.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: But yeah, man, let's do the worst.
Jeff: um Not a lot words for me. um
JT Spangler: The only worst that I can say is like normal 20 something attitudes towards women's in the nineties, we would now say it's pretty misogynistic.
Jeff: Yeah, I put that under...
JT Spangler: I'm sure 20 year old guys probably still talk like this, but like now that I'm a 40 something year old guy, know like you shouldn't talk about girls like that.
Jeff: Yeah, I put that under the political correctness, the whole like bro culture. I put that calling them beautiful babies for the entire plot is kind of kind of misogynistic.
JT Spangler: Right.
JT Spangler: Yes.
Jeff: ah For the worst, I just put that they're they're cool guy personas. um like It's the same problem I have when I watch Maid. I like it and I think it's funny, but God, is it grating after a while for Vince Vaughn to just constantly act like that?
Jeff: I know that's his character and that's what he's supposed to do.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: And in this movie, he switches it up enough where he's like, talking to Jon Favreau and like ah letting the facade drop a little bit to talk to him. But dude, in Made, he's like that all the time. And that kind of cool guy persona, some people will find that grating. And that I think that, I don't know how you fix it really in this because he drops it enough, but I could see how that could be great. Jake was just like, I can't.
Jeff: Why is he acting like that? Why is he doing that? i was because it's 2026 and you can tell that people shouldn't act like that.
JT Spangler: Yeah, for sure.
Jeff: Yeah. Worst effects though. I didn't, I mean, yeah, the, the gorilla filmmaking, if you want to call those effects, like you could see, I could see some of the lighting rigs were off, but like, again, like you said, they're using home Depot with a hundred wide.
JT Spangler: um't think there's any effects in this movie.
JT Spangler: Yeah, like there's, it's um like, it's not, it's not exaggeration to say it was held together with duct tape.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: It was actually held together with duct tape and they plugged in with an extension cord shit they bought from Home Depot.
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: That's freaking great.
JT Spangler: um
Jeff: Oh man, that's great.
JT Spangler: Yeah, dude. I think the i think misogyny and the like outdated attitudes toward women.
Jeff: hold
JT Spangler: um But I don't, I mean, there's not, for me, there's not a lot of worse. I think it's, if if it's 30 years old, you just kind of get that stuff.
Jeff: Yeah. Jake, we always put for the old tech, Jake was asking me about the answering machines. ah Do you remember when they went from being like a little tiny cassette tape to digital?
JT Spangler: Answer me.
Jeff: Cause I can vividly remember us getting the first digital one.
JT Spangler: Yes.
JT Spangler: Yes.
Jeff: It's still played it out loud though.
JT Spangler: dude i Yeah. I love the little tiny mini cassette tapes that only were for answer machines. I don't know why. i just thought those were the coolest things.
Jeff: Yeah, yeah. I like those and the little tiny VHS tapes that you would put in the tiny camcorders.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: ah Both of those were awesome for me.
JT Spangler: Yep. The little mini DV tapes. i loved those. I do.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: What about the calling card? Remember that? it's I got calling cards.
Jeff: Oh God, I put that on my i put that on my bonus.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: and I skipped it. I must've missed it.
JT Spangler: Dude, the calling card.
Jeff: Dude, a calling card.
JT Spangler: calling card and the answer.
Jeff: Jake asked what that was for.
JT Spangler: Yes. that was He's like, I just want to check my messages.
Jeff: I was like, dude, it's long it's long distance.
JT Spangler: it's ah It's a calling card. It's an 800 number. it's a It doesn't cost anything.
Jeff: I'm like, dude, meanwhile, you can call Cameroon right now if you wanted to, and it would cost you the same amount as it would be calling me in the other room. So like it's moved, it's moved a lot.
JT Spangler: Yeah. And also just the cordless phone. like I liked the f freaking big blocky with the metal antenna that you've found.
Jeff: Dude, how many times, how many times did you have one of those antenna, even if it's on a radio that bent ever so slightly and it never closed all the way perfect anymore?
JT Spangler: No, I'm not doing it.
JT Spangler: Yeah, you tried to close it too hard one time and you bent it and you're like, cool, it's never, we'll close again.
Jeff: now now it's ah Now it's always up. Ah, that's great. That's great.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: um
JT Spangler: But yeah, man, the club, that's old technology. I mean, they still make it.
Jeff: I don't know, man.
JT Spangler: but
Jeff: I don't know. I just, I don't even know really how it worked. Does it just stop you from turning the wheel?
JT Spangler: I had never owned one. i'm not I'm not sure. Even when I moved to LA, people were like, you should get a club. i was like, I don't,
Jeff: My grandparent, my dad's parents had one and he would hook it under the brake. The thing that holds the brake pedal, like the bar coming down would hook there and then it would hook on the bottom of the steering wheel.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: So I get how that works, but the regular club just went over the steering wheel. So that is it just so long that it makes it cumbersome to turn and you can't make it turn.
JT Spangler: I have no idea, dude. I don't have the faintest idea how it works.
Jeff: You didn't buy the infomercial.
JT Spangler: No. That would be small tech though, infomercials. um
Jeff: Yeah. All right. Five questions.
JT Spangler: Five questions.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Is it okay for kids?
Jeff: um I let my fort, well now 14, he was 13 when he watched it yesterday, but um I think it's just dirty language.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: um There's some sexuality, but not really not like sex scenes and there's no like killing or anything.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
JT Spangler: It's
JT Spangler: not even graphic dirty language.
Jeff: So it's just, yeah, it's just,
JT Spangler: is just It's just swearing.
Jeff: Yeah, it's just a bunch of dirty words. um So I think...
JT Spangler: But it's like it's a mature concept. It's not like a kid is going to enjoy it.
Jeff: Right, right. Jake liked it.
JT Spangler: If they're not thinking about like rubbing their bathing suit area on someone else's bathing suit area, they're not really going to like it.
Jeff: It was funny, but he didn't get a lot
Jeff: it. Right, right, right. um
JT Spangler: um Would this movie get made if it were pitched now? I'd do that, I'm sure.
Jeff: Yeah, I'm sure you could make this. Could you ah make it for the same amount?
JT Spangler: I don't know. Maybe. I mean, it still is not that expensive.
Jeff: So we keep talking though, like how.
JT Spangler: Some of this stuff is like, like Kevin Smith talked about this. He's like, dude, he's like, you could shoot a movie now just using an iPhone. He's like, you wouldn't even have to spend the 30 grand we spent on clerks. He's like, you get your friends, you get the locations that you already have access to and you shoot.
Jeff: Right.
JT Spangler: He's like, you could do it for almost nothing. So yes, totally do this.
Jeff: Right. That's, that's what I'm thinking. Like, I think, right.
JT Spangler: Not in LA and Vegas, but like, dude, if we'd wanted to shoot movie,
Jeff: Can you still do gorilla? Can you, can you film somebody in a thing and put them in a movie? Like those people that didn't know they were going to be in a movie. Did they still have to get them to sign off?
JT Spangler: I mean, you're not supposed to. You're supposed to have them sign a release, but people do it.
Jeff: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
JT Spangler: Like, you have to think, like, either the movie, no one sees it, and then no one notices and no one gets upset, or it's, like, a huge deal, and it's like, well, now we have money to pay them if they really get mad.
Jeff: Right. yeah We can just, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Good call.
JT Spangler: And plus, if if you're in L.A., everyone's probably trying to be in movies anyway, so
Jeff: Right. Right. Right.
JT Spangler: Dude, if we wanted to make a movie in that in the early 2000s in Hammond and Ponchatoula and we had access to iPhones, like we could have done it.
Jeff: Oh,
JT Spangler: We could have gone and asked places like, duke can we film in here tonight? And they'd be like, we don't care.
Jeff: And we had the we had the script.
JT Spangler: Do whatever you
Jeff: I mean, it was bad, but we had a script.
JT Spangler: Yeah. It's horrible. Yeah. like Mariners would have been like, yeah, come on in. Clean up after you're done. well Cool. It'll be even nicer after we we're done shooting because you guys don't clean up.
Jeff: ah Dude, ah they don't now for sure. was shut down.
JT Spangler: No.
Jeff: day.
JT Spangler: Rest in peace.
Jeff: Sad day. sad day
JT Spangler: where will i Where will I get staff now? ah Movie or TV show? Definitely movie.
Jeff: I like how that has um a double entendre. Staff with a PH and staff with an F because the person would always just leave and not come back. That's great.
JT Spangler: Movie or TV show? Movie?
Jeff: ah Yeah, it's got to be a movie, right?
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: got to be It's got to be a tight 90 minutes like that.
JT Spangler: Yeah, man. ah Recasting.
Jeff: Sophocles?
JT Spangler: This is the Sophocles.
Jeff: No.
JT Spangler: That was the program.
Jeff: Is that the name of it?
JT Spangler: Yeah, that's it.
Jeff: That's great.
JT Spangler: what a Who would...
Jeff: Sorry. It just came to me.
JT Spangler: who would ah
Jeff: Dude, i couldn't i couldn't I couldn't do it. I don't know who... like Who plays Trent other Vince Vaughn? Who's that outgoing, loud, brash...
JT Spangler: So the problem is that there probably are people that could do it, but we don't know them. You'd need to go to like, you need to watch every impov improv, improv troupe in l LA and Chicago and New York and find like the funniest, loudest, crassest, most charismatic person.
Jeff: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
JT Spangler: And you'd be like, that's my Trent. Someone no one's ever heard of who's hilarious.
Jeff: Right. ah so But for Mike, I think that's the person you could put a ah ah star in because that I don't think is as hard to do.
JT Spangler: So.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
JT Spangler: it is It's not as much fun, but it would be pretty easy to cast. that you could Anybody can do that.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: like that's not
Jeff: Right.
JT Spangler: From an acting standpoint, I don't think it's that much of a challenge.
Jeff: Right. Right. um So can you still watch and enjoy it?
JT Spangler: That's one of my favorites, man.
Jeff: Dude, it's so good.
JT Spangler: it's I don't know. like But yeah like your your son liked it.
Jeff: he did
JT Spangler: But like I don't know that he's going to be like, oh man, this going to end up being a movie that I watched my whole life a million times.
Jeff: It 1000% is not.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: It's not.
JT Spangler: So it's like he appreciates it, but it's not like, it's not going to be part of his life the way it was part of our life. So you could totally watch it, especially if you're listening to this and you're our age, you already know this movie, but I don't think it would connect.
Jeff: Right.
Jeff: Yeah, you've probably already seen it. But if you haven't, go watch it.
JT Spangler: I don't it'll connect with a younger.
Jeff: It's that funny. It's that funny.
JT Spangler: Yeah. I don't think it will connect with a new audience the way connected with us when we were teenagers is what I'm saying.
Jeff: Correct.
JT Spangler: But but can I watch it?
Jeff: Yeah. Yeah.
JT Spangler: Fuck yeah, I did. I love it so much.
Jeff: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Jeff: Oh, that's great.
JT Spangler: All right, man. it's ah it's It's available streaming.
Jeff: ah
JT Spangler: It's out there. And thank you guys for listening. We've gone way long cause this movie's awesome.
Jeff: Fantastic.
JT Spangler: And we'll be back in two weeks with the movie that we've not yet picked. So, yeah.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Faya can diaz.
Jeff: This place is dead. Place dead anyway. Bye, Cundillos.
JT Spangler: But anyway.
