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JT Spangler: And three, two, one, blast off.
Jeff: yeah
JT Spangler: That's it.
Jeff: Wait, that's got to be the TV spot, right?
JT Spangler: We get the short trailer. It was only 17 seconds.
Jeff: That gives away like a big chunk of it. Yeah.
JT Spangler: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's the TV spot.
Jeff: Well, after it's already been out, like us spoiling stuff 30 years later.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: No spoilers.
JT Spangler: We movie life crisis season six, 1996 movies, episode 13 ransom. I was going to tell you, I forgot. Um, hang on. turned my light on for the people that watch on video.
Jeff: Oh, no, these are on video.
JT Spangler: Blown up on YouTube.
Jeff: Oh, that's crazy.
JT Spangler: yeah We got a one-star review last week, which I always love because but what ah so what I don't want as a creator is I don't want people to feel medium about me.
Jeff: Yes.
JT Spangler: So one-star review totally five. Five-star better. I would prefer.
Jeff: I'm sorry, it's definitely better, yeah.
JT Spangler: Five star. But one star is also, someone felt so strongly about what we said that they had to go onto their rectangle and type, I'm so tired of these guys. They just make jokes that no one understands.
JT Spangler: And I was like, that's exactly 100% right. That is a totally valid critique.
Jeff: Oh, that's freaking great. I like, I like one star reviews.
JT Spangler: um
Jeff: That's on, um, that's on YouTube.
JT Spangler: Yes, but...
JT Spangler: ah No, I think, I can't remember. I just get emails anytime someone leaves reviews and usually I just go like, oh, that's nice.
Jeff: Oh, nice.
JT Spangler: But ah sometimes we get, we usually if we get a one-star review, it's because someone found us like accidentally and they realized that we want everyone to have health insurance and they get very mad about it.
JT Spangler: And they go like, I'll show them.
Jeff: Oh,
JT Spangler: going to leave a one-star review.
Jeff: oh Oh, man. i um I'm fine with that
JT Spangler: but but the But the counterpoint to that is that then you told me the next day that your sister laughed so hard during listening to swingers that she had to pull her car over. And I was like, that seems, I'm fine with that trade-off.
Jeff: that. That cancels out the one-star review.
JT Spangler: Yeah, some people are like, I don't like these guys. Great, lot of people doing movie podcasts. But some people are like, this shit's so funny, I had to stop my vehicle for a minute.
Jeff: Yeah, it helps to be my sister, though, that gets all of the references.
JT Spangler: It does help. I know.
Jeff: Nobody else laughed laughed at Corsica quite so hard.
JT Spangler: Somebody who remembers Maroon 96, the 91 Corsica.
Jeff: Oh, what a piece of junk.
JT Spangler: Yeah. We're doing Ransom, Mel Gibson. And that's all I remembered about this movie.
Jeff: Wait, Ransom isn't Payback?
JT Spangler: I ah and know.
Jeff: I got so excited because I thought he was going to grab the roll of quarters and punch the guy.
JT Spangler: Again.
Jeff: And he didn't because that's a completely different movie.
JT Spangler: That's how much thought we put into this because you were like, let's do Ransom. I was like yeah, sweet. L. Gibson. And then I watched it and was like, oh, man, this isn't the one.
Jeff: Sweet. Right on. Mel Gibson's in this. um Dude, i I really did think it was... What did I say?
Jeff: Payback. I really did think it was Payback.
JT Spangler: Payback. Yeah.
Jeff: that's That sucks because I got halfway in and I was like, wait a second, this isn't payback.
JT Spangler: No.
Jeff: But payback and ransom, you can see I can get those confused, right?
JT Spangler: They're very similar.
Jeff: They're both about money.
JT Spangler: Yes. Yeah.
Jeff: i Dude, I was um not expecting what it was.
JT Spangler: Well, give us this give us this give us a synopsis.
Jeff: Did you ever see this?
JT Spangler: I did see it, but it's been a long time.
Jeff: Yeah, i me too. All right. Tom Mullen played by ah Mel Gibson, a self-made millionaire airline executive whose young son Sean is kidnapped. um He offers a $2 million dollar ransom to get him back.
Jeff: ah That's pretty. That's I mean, I was going to go into more.
JT Spangler: And then there's some twists there's some twists and turns that happen after that.
Jeff: Yeah, there's a lot of twists and turns that keep going.
JT Spangler: But that is... It's it's a kidnapping. The rich guy's kid gets kidnapped. The rich guy's Mel Gibson. The kidnapper is Gary Sinise. And then, you know, some hijinks ensue. But... um
Jeff: ah Dude, it has a great cast.
JT Spangler: ah when the, when the titles were running in the beginning, I was like, all right, I know it's Mel Gibson. And I'm like, oh shit, Ron Howard directed this. is like, fuck right. James Horner did the music. Sweet. Oh, Rene Russo, Delroy Lindo, Gary Sinise.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: like This is going to be awesome. And then an hour in, I was like, what the, when does the awesome part start?
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: Okay, cool. So we're on the same page. I thought for sure, as I'm watching this, and Kat watched part of it with me, and she was like, yeah, I remember this. This is like a, you know, what would you do kind of thing.
Jeff: of Like a moral hook in this movie. and I was like, yeah, yeah. um If I have as much money as him, I'm just paying and getting it back. But I see his thing.
JT Spangler: Yeah, dude. Yeah.
Jeff: Dude, I don't know. I just... I like the fact that the big studios used to pay for like an adult thriller movie product type thing. um And they don't do that anymore.
Jeff: ah But I could see why after watching it now, it's like going back and watching some of the old standup with Carlos Menci. I'm just like, I used to laugh at this. What's the funny happening? um I thought it was going to be different.
JT Spangler: Well, and this thing printed money. It was a $70 million dollars budget.
Jeff: yeah
JT Spangler: It was $309 million dollars gross. It's like in the top 10 of the year. I couldn't, depending on when you want to do your accounting, it's somewhere between five and 10, but I had it at number five kind of right behind Jerry Maguire.
JT Spangler: So for an R-rated thriller, like that's an absolute shit pile of money.
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: But Ron Howard's just gotten done doing fricking Forrest Gump and then Apollo 13 or 11 or nine or whichever what fucking one he did.
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: It's 13. Lucky 13.
JT Spangler: and I can't keep them. I know they're odd numbers.
Jeff: Right.
JT Spangler: Okay, 13. Lucky number 13.
Jeff: palliford lucky thirteen
JT Spangler: but and And Mel Gibson's just gotten done doing freaking Braveheart. So, like, this is this is some people that are have, as they would say in Hollywood, serious heat at the time.
Jeff: right
Jeff: Yeah, they're doing the thing. Yeah. Opening weekend had like $34 million.
JT Spangler: But that's a...
Jeff: dollars That's almost half the money right there.
JT Spangler: Yeah. It's a huge number, especially for an R-rated movie. It came out, like, in November. It wasn't, like, a summertime blockbuster.
Jeff: Yeah. Maybe that's the ah Thanksgiving. is it Is that still a thing? People go to after Thanksgiving, everybody goes to the show.
JT Spangler: I think so. It used to be like a huge movie weekend. Like we're going to release, this is going to be a Thanksgiving release. This is going to be a Memorial Day release. This is going to be of July.
Jeff: Right.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: Yeah. What was the thing that um George Lucas always did? All his movies came out with the extra day that whatever Monday holiday it was Memorial Day or Labor Day or and his stuff always came out then.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: So we'd have the extra day and it would count as the weekend.
JT Spangler: Yeah. Well, I think it was Memorial Day for a lot of the Star Wars because they came out in May.
Jeff: Yeah. That's it. Memorial Day. That's a good way to do it, I guess, to get your first weekend numbers up.
JT Spangler: Yeah, for sure. Well, dude, when we were, when like back in the day, back in the 90s, movies came out Friday was the release day, but they would do Thursday midnight showings.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: And then slowly but surely they started doing like, fuck it, we'll just do Thursday afternoon showings too. And now movies will come out like Wednesday morning and it's like, Hey, it's opening weekend. It's opening six day weekend. And it's like, it's kind of like, dude, do you, do you,
Jeff: That's because it opens for that weekend and then the following Wednesday, it's already up on streaming.
JT Spangler: yeah. what du Well, do your, does your teenager know what day albums used to come out on?
Jeff: ah No, he definitely does not. Again, we talked about this just the other day when you called me. I just taught him how to open a CD like they used to at Music Express. like
JT Spangler: Yes.
Jeff: He asked me when we were going through when I found out that I actually had a CD player in my car because I never, I guess, just didn't see that little thing.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: dude, we're going through the spindles of stuff and the cases and he's putting them in. And I'm like, dude, it's a, you want to hear ah go to like track number nine. That's a, who is it? Or no, go to number 11.
Jeff: That's, will you be there? But you got to skip two minutes and 14 seconds in.
JT Spangler: Yeah, so we got a really long intro.
Jeff: Cause it's got that long intro. He's like, dude, that's a league ball knowledge, dad. Like he's saying all the stupid stuff, but like ah he didn't know like how CDs work. Like he knew kind of, but not really.
JT Spangler: Yeah. He didn't know that you needed a butter knife to get him out of there.
Jeff: So he definitely, yeah
JT Spangler: Because your freaking Corsica didn't eject.
Jeff: You got to use that butter knife that sits right there in the center console. God. um No, he definitely does not know when they come out.
JT Spangler: e
Jeff: he I don't think he's ever thought of that. Like, I guess, why would he, right?
JT Spangler: I mean, I think they still do like new music releases on whatever day, Fridays, but it's not like if you wanted to like, oh dude, this record comes out like they all came out on the same day and movies all came out.
Jeff: Yeah, wasn't it Tuesday?
JT Spangler: yeah it was Tuesday.
Jeff: Yeah, Tuesday.
JT Spangler: it Like that freaking records came out on Tuesday, which we never didn't call records until it got to be 2010. Yeah.
Jeff: We called them records back before and then they called them tapes and then CDs and then...
JT Spangler: Yeah. Yeah. And then it came back around. guess technology is cyclical.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: No, it's not.
Jeff: All right. Awards.
JT Spangler: Dude, this thing did some awards. I think I saw some stuff.
Jeff: Yeah. Mel Gibson nominated for a golden globe, uh, for best actor in a motion picture drama. Um, he, uh, the, it was nominated for best action adventure thriller film from Saturn, uh, in the, uh, in a, in double ACP image award for the Roy Delroy Lindo. Um, the kid got the young artist award nomination, uh, Brawley Nolte. Um,
Jeff: And it was the was ASCAP Film and Television Music Award Top Box Office Film.
JT Spangler: Yeah, so like no ah no like big awards, but um
Jeff: No, no. But now that you've watched it again, you see why it didn't win in any awards, right?
JT Spangler: yeah, no, I think that is i think that is correct.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: um Did you see who the kid's real life dad is?
Jeff: ah No, but I just saw that his name was Nolte. So is it Nick?
JT Spangler: His name is Nick Nolte. That's Nick Nolte's kid, yes.
Jeff: Is it really? Holy crap, that's great.
JT Spangler: Yeah. No sequels or spinoffs, although this itself is a remake of ah and an adaptation of a... What was the whole thing? it was ah So it was originally a TV episode from from the 50s on a TV series called The United States Steel Hour, starring a bunch of people I've never heard of.
Jeff: TV episode from the 50s. Yeah.
Jeff: yeah
Jeff: The United States Steel Hour.
JT Spangler: um
Jeff: I like when they used to just...
JT Spangler: Brought to you by Colgate. I don't and and't know who it was brought to you by, but it was somebody like that.
Jeff: it's the Colgate comedy hour.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: Uh, yeah. Then there was a fifties film called ransom with an exclamation point.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: Um, and then the Howard, Ron Howard remake.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: Um,
JT Spangler: And the, the fifties film had a Glenn Ford, Donna Reed and Leslie Nielsen in it.
Jeff: Ooh, probably wasn't as funny as the other one.
JT Spangler: No, I wouldn't think.
Jeff: Um,
JT Spangler: And then they, then they rebooted, remade it again. And now it's with Mel Gibson and it's without the exclamation point, which is good. Cause it's not exciting. It doesn't need an exclamation point.
Jeff: Well, I just didn't know if that minute was a factorial um and it was just going to keep going on forever and ever and get bigger and bigger because that's how this movie seemed.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: It felt like they just kept doing the same thing over and over.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Okay. um When do you, do you remember when you first saw this movie? Maybe yesterday? No, I saw it back in the day, but I didn't see it in the movie theaters.
Jeff: Let me tell you the only part I remembered from this entire movie. So I know I've seen it.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: but I don't remember watching it. So um I don't know when I saw it first, but I remember that kid peeing down his leg when he saw the bad guy after they got him back in the, in the foyer or wherever the hell he was standing um in, in the menagerie.
JT Spangler: Yep.
JT Spangler: The foyer. Yeah,
Jeff: um He is, he pees his leg and that's the only part I remember. I don't remember where I saw this first though.
JT Spangler: I don't have any recollection of this either.
Jeff: think um I think this was a movie that I maybe like watched. It came on. like Seeing the the poster, the cover, like I remember it. I had it on DVD. i checked. It's there.
Jeff: But like i don't I don't remember like watching it, watching it. And now that I have it on DVD, I realize if I ever run out of coasters, I'm i'm straight.
JT Spangler: Yeah, you you're all set.
Jeff: Yeah. Yeah. um
JT Spangler: Yeah, dude, I feel like you probably rented it because I i would have seen like all these actors because I'm 16 at this time. So like if I want to rent an R-rated thriller, my dad was more than happy to do that.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: If it meant he didn't have to talk to me. um So I'm sure that I probably rented this and watched it. I don't remember it at all.
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: I don't either. i did What about the 1950s one? You've never seen that, right?
JT Spangler: No, no, for sure not.
Jeff: The Glenn Ford one. i I borrowed it from the internet. And I'm going to try to watch that one and see if it's any better. It's a lot shorter, which I feel is going to make it better. Right?
Jeff: right
JT Spangler: I'm gonna say, i yes, that would, that would certainly be an improvement.
Jeff: Um, so where'd you rate it? So now that you've seen it again or seen it again for the first time,
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: did you figure out how to edit that out if you wanted to?
JT Spangler: ah Yeah, I just paused it, and then you talked once I started recording again. Yeah,
Jeff: Oh, my bad.
JT Spangler: yeah dude, this thing had like a freaking 74% on Metacritic, and I thought that was ludicrous because I felt like it was going to so land in it was goingnna land in the fives because it was way too long, but it wasn't like dramatic or suspenseful long.
Jeff: That is way high.
JT Spangler: It was just a long, long.
Jeff: But don't you think they were trying to make it dramatic and suspenseful?
JT Spangler: Yeah, i don't i mean I don't think the goal was to make a thriller movie that's boring. I just think that's what they did.
Jeff: No, no, i'm so I'm saying like they were really hamming it up. like it To me, though, it just felt like every time... I like it when, oh, this is the end.
Jeff: This is the this is the part. and and then it happens and you pull up the little timer on the bottom of the screen and you're like, oh snap, there's still 40 minutes left.
JT Spangler: Yeah, there's still some twists.
Jeff: That's awesome. There's going to be twists. But they did that so many times.
JT Spangler: But also I didn't think the twists were very good. Like we did a diehard with a vengeance, which is like that. And we did seven, which is like that.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: And both of those were like, Holy fuck. That's awesome. I didn't, I forgot that was going to happen.
Jeff: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
JT Spangler: And this one was like, I didn't care about that at all.
Jeff: Right. Yeah. Yeah.
JT Spangler: um
Jeff: No, same.
JT Spangler: but Yeah, man. So I, I had a five out of 10.
Jeff: Five. Wow.
JT Spangler: Yeah. It's like a lot of people that I really like at the top of their game. And I just didn't think, I don't think it's a great script and I don't know why it took so long to get where we got.
Jeff: Yeah. Uh, I wholeheartedly agree with that. Um, I also thought thought it took so long. I gave it a six. I was going to give it a five. And then one of my scenes, I rethought about it and I liked it so much that I bumped it up one number.
Jeff: So I gave it to six, 6.0.
JT Spangler: Nice. Okay.
Jeff: um But that's not to say that I couldn't be persuaded to bring it down to a five or four because she felt, she felt long.
JT Spangler: I mean, that that's the, I mean, There were a lot of individual scenes that I, even though I didn't think anyone was doing a bad job, I just didn't think it was all that great. Like even the ones that were supposed to be dramatic, like when Gary Sinise is freaking in there with his arm in a sling in the office and Mel Gibson's writing him a $4 million dollars check.
JT Spangler: I'm like, there's supposed to be a lot of tension here. The music tells me this is supposed to be very dramatic, but I just don't, I don't think there is for me.
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: See, I like that that little confrontation there. but they just kept repeating the same thing. Like he kept looking at the kid and looking back and looking at the kid and looking back. And then Gary Sinise looked at the kid. Then the wife came in and I was like, just get to it, man. Make it peppy, make it snappy. I want to, I know we all know what's going to happen. Just make this shit do the thing faster.
Jeff: um And that's how I would edit that. If, if there's a fan edit, that's probably be the optimal thing.
JT Spangler: Yeah, I don't...
JT Spangler: And see, and I don't think it's necessarily even an edit thing. I think it's a... script I just don't think the script is very good. I think they were trying to use the music and the cutting to put in tension that should have been in the story already that wasn't there.
Jeff: Yeah, yeah,
JT Spangler: So, but again, like, it as as our one-star review made very clear, we don't know anything about movies. We're just guessing. Yeah.
Jeff: yeah. Hey, you know what? I looked up fan edits just now, and the only thing I could find is somebody asking on the fan edit subreddit if somebody could do an extended cut from the Laserdisc of Ransom from 1996.
Jeff: They want more of that.
JT Spangler: man that might have been me because i was just thinking i needed more i was like oh man only two hours can we get another hour
Jeff: They want more of that. they want more of that Oh my God, it adds 18 minutes.
JT Spangler: sweet what could what could that 18 minutes possibly consist of
Jeff: I could cook dinner while it's on. um
JT Spangler: I cook and eat dinner and then go to the bathroom afterwards and then be back and ready.
Jeff: Jeez, who am Major pain?
JT Spangler: I can microwave my Pop-Tart three seconds, then I eat it.
Jeff: out there all right, let's do best.
JT Spangler: All right, man. see Yeah, first scene is the one that I really remember from this movie is when he goes on TV and
Jeff: i
Jeff: TV. That's the first one I have.
JT Spangler: Uh, and he's just, dude, he's just sitting there and he's just, it's, and it's the local news.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: And it's like, here we are in New York city's local news coming at you It's like, we have a private citizen here with a pile of money in front of him. Let's go to him. Uh, and then Mel Gibson's just like, he's like, my son got kidnapped.
Jeff: Yeah. There's a lot of that.
JT Spangler: He's like, here's a pile of money. He's like, you're not getting any of this.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Go fuck your yourself.
Jeff: Yeah. I do like his his monologue right there.
JT Spangler: And then he,
Jeff: Like you're never going to get a scent of it.
JT Spangler: Yeah, dude, it's awesome.
Jeff: It was good.
JT Spangler: He's like, this is the closest you'll ever get to this money. I'm giving this away to anybody who turns you in, dead or alive, I don't care.
Jeff: Yeah. Right,
JT Spangler: and Because that, I think, is that premise is is the premise for a really interesting movie like this.
Jeff: right right, right.
JT Spangler: This isn't it.
Jeff: It goes from a kidnapping procedural to like a rich man that gets the whole country against the guy.
JT Spangler: Yeah, he turns Yeah.
JT Spangler: Yeah, dude, he turns it from just the normal kind of rich guy kidnapping whatever freaking Lyndon Johnson story. Is that the one that got got baby Lindbergh baby, Charles Lindbergh?
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: Lindbergh? Yeah, maybe.
JT Spangler: And he turns it into the fugitive. He's like, dude, wait I got all this money. I'm paying everyone to hunt you down. He's like, so, you know, fuck my kid.
Jeff: Right. And then he doubles it.
JT Spangler: We're going to get you.
Jeff: Yeah. then he Then he doubles it. Yeah, that's the first one I had also, the yeah the press conference, ah if that's what you call that, um special report.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Dude, I don't think that's a press conference. He just straight up went on the news.
Jeff: Yeah. A special report. um the The next one I had is um when he decides to go do the ransom drop himself.
Jeff: um
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: and the things And this is what gave made me bump it up one notch. The stuff that Gary Sinise makes him do before he goes and drops off the money.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: was fantastic. Like, Hey, there's a key at the bottom of the pool. So you got to jump in Don't take off anything. Jump in obviously to destroy the wire. If he's wearing a wire, then he has to go to the locker and swap the clothes and the phones ringing like matrix, right? As he gets there. um And that gets rid of the body trackers. um And then like ah then he has to go down to the boiler room and switch the money out of the bags, the suitcases that they're in into the bags. um
Jeff: I freaking love that. And then he gets in the car and he answers the car phone. No, he's got the walkie-talkie, the walkie-talkie inside of the car, the Monte Carlo.
JT Spangler: Yeah. Are you walking in and talking?
Jeff: Yeah, he's walkie and he's talkie. It's the whammy kablam. ah Sorry, one star review. You probably don't get that joke. It's a Brian Regan bit. ah No, and he gets in the money.
JT Spangler: You know, we know you're still listening. Rush Limbaugh made tens of millions of dollars from people hate listening. It's okay. We love you.
Jeff: Oh, man. ah Do you hope that person gets healthcare? care
JT Spangler: Yes. I want everyone to have healthcare.
Jeff: I'm just kidding.
JT Spangler: care
Jeff: I'm just kidding.
JT Spangler: You know how roll, man.
Jeff: Oh, yeah.
JT Spangler: fucking it's We're already spending the money.
Jeff: yeah
JT Spangler: Let's put it towards the shit we need.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: How about roads and education and healthcare?
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: care Is that crazy?
Jeff: Yeah. Yeah.
JT Spangler: Not turning in not turning in brown kids into the skeletons? Can we take a break from that?
Jeff: No, no. It's, it's definitely crazy, crazy idea. um Dude. So that whole bit where he has to like go through those steps. That's my, I don't know. Does that count as one scene when he walks into the, ah the Y or wherever he is and jumps in the pool?
JT Spangler: it's definitely It's definitely more than one scene, but i think I think that's fair. It's also, that's a great call because I was ah so annoyed how long it took us to get to that part of the movie. I did really like that. Like you're saying, like he had a, it was really smart.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Mel Gibson dives into a freaking public pool wearing a trench coat. was badass.
Jeff: And a suit with freaking hard sole shoes.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: It has to swim to the bottom. I'll swim to the bottom in about five minutes when I die and sink there. Hey, no way I'm making it.
JT Spangler: That's what I was going say. Like, like if you and I were at one point we're excellent swimmers. We grew up, uh, swimming together on swim team. Um, if I dove into a, the deep end of a pool wearing a full suit and a trench coat and my dress shoes, I don't know if I'd make it out. Like i might be, that might be it.
Jeff: There's a couple of lifeguards back in the day that would make me want to do that, though. Just jump in fully clothed and flail around.
JT Spangler: Uh, I, uh, Wendy Peppercorn, but I,
Jeff: Lotioning and oiling.
JT Spangler: But I was trying to figure out like, dude, what if he can't swim?
Jeff: oh
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Like there's plenty of people who can't. And there's plenty people like my son who thinks he can swim. But if I threw him in the pool in his clothes, he's not getting out.
JT Spangler: Like some of that, but it was really smart.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: He's like, do you jump in the pool?
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: You get it. And like, then you change into the jumpsuit and you freaking move the money into another bag. Like that was really smart. I like that.
Jeff: Right, right. and but The whole idea, like I never even, here's the caveat that I like the most about that scene. They don't stop and explain why he did that.
Jeff: They, you know, there's always exposition where they're like, ah, damn it. He jumped in the pool. We lost the wire. They never said that. Like they let you figure that out. And that is like to let you figure out the logic behind those instructions is the thing that made it good for me and why I gave it an extra point.
JT Spangler: Yeah, I mean, I think that's a good call. i um the ah Mainly what I was focused on with that scene is the end, which is where Lev Shriver's brother shows up and takes the money on his four-wheeler.
JT Spangler: And I didn't get, like, if if I believe Gary Sinise, if I believe his motivations in this movie, or just he just wants the money, he's done the research, he knows the guy will pay, why doesn't he just give the kid back and take the money?
Jeff: Right.
Jeff: Right. Why?
JT Spangler: Like the guy doesn't, he's supposed to, the you know, the lackey is supposed to take the money and then tell Mel Gibson where the kid is and he doesn't do it. And then so there's Mel Gibson is like trying to run this ATV down on foot.
JT Spangler: The FBI shooting at him from a helicopter.
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Like why didn't they just give him the kid? That would have worked.
Jeff: Right. Then they would have walked away with two million.
JT Spangler: Right. And the movie would have had no ending and it would, but it would have been way shorter. And to me, i feel like it would have been,
JT Spangler: But no, so that was my confusing bit, but I did really like that.
Jeff: um
Jeff: By the way, $4.2 million dollars in today's money. So that's pretty good.
JT Spangler: Yeah, that's a good day's work.
Jeff: Yeah, he could have just swapped it out for the kid.
JT Spangler: ah Would you pay more for one of your kids than the other?
Jeff: um Since I know they'll never listen to this, Yes.
JT Spangler: Yeah, think that's reasonable.
JT Spangler: yeah You have two kids, so it seems fair. It's like if they both get kidnapped, it's like, well, we only have so much money. What's the price on which one is the better value?
Jeff: I'm going shop around and see what I can get. What's the deal I can get?
JT Spangler: The kidnappers are going to be like, we'll just give you the girl back. Will you just take her?
Jeff: That's the one I was going to pay for. You're stupid. That's the one I was going to pay for.
JT Spangler: You idiots.
Jeff: i would have paid double. um
JT Spangler: Yeah. So for you guys, that would have been like two, 300 bucks compared to Mel Gibson movie.
Jeff: Yeah. Right. Right. That would have been.
JT Spangler: proportionally.
Jeff: Yeah. Yeah. That would have been a lot. um I do. So I don't think. um
JT Spangler: Go to your big checkbook that's in a leather binder.
Jeff: Yeah, I do like the big checks with the little ledger on the side. ah Dude, so here's my thing. That whole scene with NKOTB. What's his name? Donnie Wahlberg.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: um I don't know that that needed to happen. Like, I get... Like, that whole... The other people in the movie. I love Liev Schreiber.
Jeff: I kind of like Donnie Wahlberg. um
JT Spangler: Me too.
Jeff: ah ah And Lily Taylor's great. I just... I don't know why those things were in there.
JT Spangler: Yeah, so it's it's structurally the movie's a little bit weird and there's some stuff in there it doesn't make any sense and it was taking me out of the movie even though the actors were doing a good job on screen which isn't surprising because they're all very good and fucking Ron Howard is directing but I was like, I don't know why we why did we do this?
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: Right.
Jeff: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They were all reading the script, but that I think was the problem.
JT Spangler: and But then there's
Jeff: Just I'm Ron Burgundy and they were, they were, The script was the the weak point.
JT Spangler: Yeah, my next its my second scene is the final scene where they go into the bank.
Jeff: um
JT Spangler: and It's the last scene in the movie.
Jeff: That's mine too.
JT Spangler: Like it's kind of convoluted.
Jeff: That's my last one.
JT Spangler: i don't know how much we want to explain to people or how much people even care, but like Mel Gibson is not going to pay him. He's like, I'll pay anyone else to kill the guy. Gary Sneeze realizes that it's up. He's a police officer.
JT Spangler: And so he like sets it up where he ends up killing all the other kidnappers.
Jeff: Yeah, he's a detective.
JT Spangler: Then he's the hero cop and he's going to collect the, uh, a ransom, but it's not a ransom anymore.
Jeff: the ransom, which is now a bounty.
JT Spangler: It's a reward.
Jeff: Yeah. Yeah.
JT Spangler: It's Yeah. But then Mel Gibson figures out that he's actually the evil genius behind all of it. And they have like the 11th standoff where he's pointing a gun at him and they're yelling at each other.
Jeff: That's yeah. That's the thing. There were so many times where everybody was just pointing guns at bright people and just saying like, I'm going to do it. Like, no, you're not. We know you're not. Cause there's 20 minutes left in the movie.
Jeff: Um,
JT Spangler: We know you're not shooting Mel Gibson because we've seen his contract and he's going to hear at the end of this.
Jeff: Yeah. His name's on the top of the thing. um
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: yeah I do. I do like that. That's the one I had as well. um And the fact that he has his police radio and then he hears it while he's in the bank.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Yeah. But also even earlier than that, when he was in the, when they were in Mel Gibson's office and he was writing his big three ring binder, trapper keeper of checks, he heard the radio noise and he remembered that you could hear the radio noise during one of their phone calls.
Jeff: Yeah. And also, ah he says the the line, one of the lines that I shouldn't be a problem.
JT Spangler: Yeah, it shouldn't be a problem.
Jeff: That was one of the quotes I put down because like, that was cool that he's like, oh snap, it's coming back to me.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
JT Spangler: But they go to the bank together and like Gary Sinise is like getting high fives from all the officers on the street and like everyone's taking his picture and he's Mel Gibson's transferring the money. But then like they figure out, Delroy Lindo, the FBI agent figures out that they're there.
Jeff: yeah
JT Spangler: Everyone converges and they have a huge fist fight in the street and then shoot out in the street and Gary Sinise dies.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: And then, i get but he already had the money though.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: I don't know. I guess the bank has to try and get that money back.
Jeff: They can get that back. That's easy.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: You said control control Z and just undo that.
JT Spangler: just yeah you just You just unwire it.
Jeff: Unwire it. I didn't ah really like, we'll get to this with the worst, but I didn't really like the blood in that last scene. It looked a little theatrical.
JT Spangler: Yeah. Looks a little syrupy.
Jeff: Yeah. Looked theatrical. um That's, that was also my last one. So I do have an honorable mention though. Can I mention one extra scene?
Jeff: There's a part where the kid, when they first kidnap him and they're trying to make him go to sleep. um This is especially horrible after what we talked about before we got on.
JT Spangler: Yeah. And they're just forcing, they're just forcing cough syrup down his throat.
Jeff: Yeah, they're just like making him drink it so he can go to sleep. don't Don't let your kid watch this. And um all I could think of was how hard it is to get my kids to take the the pink antibiotic.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: I always have to like squirt it in their mouth and then slam their back against a rock like Indiana Jones and Temple of Doom. ah But now I know I could just pay Gary Sinise to kidnap him and for seven to 10 days.
JT Spangler: Well, have you have you tried putting duct tape over their eyes first and then putting the medicine in their mouth?
Jeff: I swear at the beginning of that sentence, I had no idea where you were going go.
JT Spangler: well
Jeff: Have you tried? thought it was going to be serious. And then you said duct tape over their eyes.
JT Spangler: Well, so my kid is four, so he can't really take anything. So all he ever gets is Zyrtec and he fucking loves it because it's like bubblegum. So he'll just wake up randomly out of nowhere and he'll just go like, I think I need some Zyrtec.
Jeff: Yes.
JT Spangler: Dude, you're fine.
Jeff: Oh, that's so great, dude.
JT Spangler: But then he finally got to the level where he like needed a f freaking steroid and it was ah like it was a liquid steroid and it's flavored, but it's not bubble gum. It's not as good.
Jeff: No, it's probably grape.
JT Spangler: And so I had to give him that. And he was like, I don't like it. doesn't taste good. was like, yeah, dude, it's medicine. Just like what we'll do is we'll we'll put it on the back of your tongue and then I'll have a little cup of something that tastes good and we'll just chase it with that.
JT Spangler: I'm like, but we got to figure it it out.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: He's like, I don't want it. I feel better. I'm fine. I don't need the medicine. you got to you got to do it Like, let me tell you about the dark ages in the 1900s when medicine didn't taste good and you just fucking took it anyway.
Jeff: Oh, man. what a
Jeff: What about eye drops? Have you had to do those yet?
JT Spangler: Oh, yeah.
Jeff: Oh God.
JT Spangler: Yeah, that's that's great. Just put him in a headlock, peel his eyelids back while my wife puts the drops in. Yeah,
Jeff: That's exactly what we used to do to big. And when he needed eye drops, he hated that.
JT Spangler: absolutely.
Jeff: Oh, that's so great. um Yeah. It gets a lot better when they could swallow pills, by the way. ah yeah That was my honorable mention scene because I, the whole time she was trying to make him drink it straight out of the bottle and he was just like spitting it out on her.
JT Spangler: Yeah. absolutely
Jeff: And I was like, Oh God, I'm sorry. Lily Taylor. You,
JT Spangler: Yeah, Lily Taylor, she's a real nurturer. My third scene was, what the I think maybe the first phone call. um
Jeff: When he stops them from answering it?
JT Spangler: Yeah, because like he's not supposed to call the police for the FBI. He's rich, so he does anyway.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: And then they're all there.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: there's like 30 guys there, and they have the freaking whole boardroom set up. and And the phone's ringing, and Delroy Lindo is giving him...
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: It kind of felt like um like when i when I try to like lift weights and I have a coach, and right before I go to grab the bar, he tells me like 13 things. He's like, all right, remember this? And then don't forget this. And then this. And it's oh and like I'm like, dude, shut up. I can't.
JT Spangler: That's too much stuff.
Jeff: All of my backswing.
JT Spangler: And so Delroy Lindo is...
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: He's telling him all the shit as he's trying to answer the phone.
Jeff: who um
JT Spangler: But Gary Sneak, the police officer, he's like he's like, who's there? What's the weather like? He's like, what is it, FBI? Feds? Local? What's the guy's name?
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: and he's just And then freaking Evan Handler from Sex and the City is over there like doing like keyboard shit. He's like, I'm bouncing it off the satellite. They never know where we are.
Jeff: Yeah. He was, he was doing all the things.
JT Spangler: Doing that shit, which is nonsense, but I love it. Yeah.
Jeff: Yeah. Yeah. On the old school computer.
JT Spangler: but Plugged into a phone line, no doubt.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Because there was no wireless shit.
Jeff: No, it was definitely plugged in because there's a part in the very beginning, right before they knew that they had the son kidnapped, when he gets a phone call. This is the the the phone call I thought you were talking about. The very first phone call, he picks it up, and it's an automated thing that says, you have an email. And I was like, what the And then he goes and he like types into his keyboard and it's just like really fast with one hand and it opens up his email and it's a video of his son being kidnapped.
Jeff: And I was like, wait a second. They used to call me on the phone to tell me I had an email.
JT Spangler: Yeah. Could someone call my landline to alert me that I've got an email?
Jeff: That's amazing.
JT Spangler: Like a telegram, telegram.
Jeff: That's the one I thought you were talking about. Yeah. Yeah.
JT Spangler: No, but, and I also thought he had like the voice distorter thing on the phone, which is weird because they didn't know his voice. It wouldn't have mattered.
Jeff: Yeah, I think they didn't want to
JT Spangler: And also Gary's denise' voice is so fucking sinister. It would have been just as scary.
Jeff: Just as scary. Yeah. I like how he had to take it off, though, to let the kid talk. Daddy? And then he'd put it back on. He'd be like, we're going to play a game. He just turned it right back on. Yeah.
Jeff: Yeah, dude, the Delroy Lindo thing where he stops him from answering and it tells him all the things. that's I have that as one of my quotes because, I mean, it's a lot to say all the things, but I typed out some of it because I thought that was really, really cool.
JT Spangler: Yeah, that's my third scene.
Jeff: um
JT Spangler: So let's do quotes.
Jeff: ah My very first one is, give me back my son.
JT Spangler: Yeah, same.
Jeff: Because it's at the very end of this line that he's already, he's already angry and it's already escalated to like, I'm going to freaking rip your head off and shit down your neck or whatever he's saying.
JT Spangler: Right.
Jeff: And he's just super angry. And then right at the end of that line where he's already at that freaking at 11, he just yells back, give me back my son. i've And then What's his name? He's like, you want your son? You want your son? Boom. And he shoots and they don't show whether the kid was shot. And it was, it's pretty good.
Jeff: I like that part.
JT Spangler: Yeah, absolutely.
Jeff: And James Horner really helped that whole thing.
JT Spangler: There were parts of this movie where the score by James Horner did some real heavy lifting and there were some parts where i was like, all right, man, just back it off a scotch.
Jeff: Yeah, it was a little heavy handed.
JT Spangler: that could ah That could also have been that the like drama on screen was not as dramatic as it was supposed to be.
Jeff: Right. um ah Mel Gibson hammed it up though. He was, he was doing his thing.
JT Spangler: Yeah, they were all doing that. They were freaking... that I think my favorite performance in the film was Gary Sinise and Delroy Lindo.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: but Because they were the ones who didn't feel like they were really hamming the shit out of it.
Jeff: Right. Yeah.
JT Spangler: I don't and don't really have any other quotes.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: The one we already talked about where it's like, you know, this is the ransom, $2 million, dollars like just like you asked for, is like just the closest you'll ever get to it.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: That's like a whole speech, but I would have that maybe as my second.
Jeff: Right. Yeah. That's a, yeah, my, that's a good one. And ah I like that scene. The, the second one I had is a shouldn't be a problem when he realizes that like in the very beginning, he's like, how do i get my son back?
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: Are you going to pay me? Of course I am. Then it shouldn't be a problem. And then later he's like, hell of a deposit you got here. And he's like, yeah, it shouldn't be a problem. And that's when he catches it and he's like, oh snap, that's bad-ass.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: I like that. So I threw the shouldn't be a problem in there as my second quote.
JT Spangler: I think that's good. Like there's, so like that's good. That's a good bit of writing. I like, it's like, that's, it just took way too long to get there.
Jeff: Yeah, no, I'm i'm i' with you.
JT Spangler: I didn't have a third quote. You got anything else?
Jeff: My third one was just Delroy Lindo puts his hand, because he as they're running to the phone to answer it, because they're freaking out, you know and he goes to answer it, and Mel Gibson's hand's on the phone, and then Delroy Lindo puts his hand on top.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: And it's on a glass table. table so sometimes the camera is from under the table through the glass up at mel gibson's face looking down at the phone i thought that was kind of cool uh uh he's like look uh any demands that come up you just agree uh let him know that he's in charge your only priority is getting your boy back get your boy back you follow me now you're going to give him some time like he just goes through and tells him all of this thing um
JT Spangler: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: any information you can get, you know, tell him he has an allergy. he has some kind of medical condition. You want to know what kind of weather he's in. Is he indoors? Is he outdoors? All that. Uh, and then of course, Gary Sinise already knows that.
Jeff: And dude, there was another thing that they didn't have exposition. It was right after that. When he finally answers the phone, Adele Roy Lindo's taken notes and he writes down military question mark, Marines question mark.
Jeff: Um, what was that for, uh,
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: what wow shit i should have wrote it down i can't remember what line he said
JT Spangler: Yeah. It was something like that. I wouldn't have thought of as being it like, it was like, he's like, are we good to go?
Jeff: me either and i meant to look that up yeah and i meant to look that up and i didn't um that sucks i should i should remembered to look that up uh but i i like that whole that whole thing he was trying very hard to make sure because they weren't ready as he's running over there he's like
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: Larry, we ready? And he's like, no, we're not ready. And of course, right after that happens, the freaking phone rings and he has to do all the stuff. um I love that.
Jeff: So I put that as my third quote.
JT Spangler: Nice. All right, let's do characters. Who's your first character?
Jeff: ah My first character is Gary Sinise, Jimmy Shaka. He's the the villain.
JT Spangler: Lieutenant Diane.
Jeff: Lieutenant Diane. Um, he's not really like a cartoon psycho. He's just, he's like, he's, he's playing, he plans it all out and he's thought about everything and calculating.
JT Spangler: No, dude, he's freaking...
JT Spangler: He's sinister, man.
Jeff: And I like that.
JT Spangler: It's great.
Jeff: Yeah. I like it. Uh, that's why I put him down first. Plus I like Gary Sinise. Like he was just in Apollo 13 with what's with, uh, Ron Howard. Um, he was in Forrest Gump. He, uh, what's the, uh,
Jeff: Pet Them Rabbits, George. um like Of Mice and Men. Of Mice and Men. He was in that. um And he's been in a bunch of stuff I like. Freaking the boxing movie with Nick Cage we talked about last time.
JT Spangler: yeah dude
Jeff: Snake Eyes. He's in that.
JT Spangler: yeah he's uh he's he's an ed tv which i freaking really like he's in a beautiful mind like he's in a bunch of shit that i like i mean i always think of him as lu lieutenant man but he's in a bunch of movies that i really like he's in far and away would
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: Yeah. Yeah.
Jeff: He will never not be Lieutenant Dan. Dude, and he's really big into um helping the troops or the vets.
JT Spangler: Yeah, we so we went to the Grand Ole Opry, my wife and I, for the first time to see James Taylor at his first Grand Ole Opry appearance.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: And one of the bands that was playing that night was Vince Gill. But one of the other bands was Gary Sinise and the Lieutenant Dan Band. Like, I think that's the name of it.
Jeff: Oh, that's great.
JT Spangler: And they just do they just play cover songs, but they, like, raise money for veterans organizations. It's like, musically, you're fine.
Jeff: Yeah, that's great.
JT Spangler: But, like, it's a great it's a great cause. And he's...
Jeff: He's, yeah, he's been at the, um he goes.
JT Spangler: he's It's funny because he's a bass player and he doesn't sing. So if he wasn't famous, the band would never be there.
Jeff: Nobody would know.
JT Spangler: He's not really doing anything.
Jeff: ah He's, man, he's keeping the groove.
JT Spangler: He's a good bass player. But also there's 9 million other people who could play bass that aren't named Gary Sneese and then the band wouldn't get booked.
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: Right. Right, right. Yeah, that's, but it raised money.
JT Spangler: But they're doing a good job. but it's just They're just playing freaking proud to be an American.
Jeff: Because, yeah, because Tom Hanks is big into World War II, he goes to the World War II Museum. And because Sinise is into helping vets, he also comes to there all the time for all these different things.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: And that's that's pretty cool. I like that, too.
JT Spangler: and Dude, it's awesome. It's a great cause. And like I, like, enjoyed it, but I was like, it so weird. It's a cover band where the front man doesn't sing and doesn't really play an important instrument. Sorry, bass players. It's true. um
Jeff: Yeah, take the be out of take the bass out of some of these songs.
JT Spangler: Don't tell Paul McCartney.
Jeff: See how much you like it.
JT Spangler: No, no, it's not that bass isn't important. It's just that it's the easiest one to play.
Jeff: Yeah, yeah. There's only however many strings.
JT Spangler: i mean, there's not, a he's not James Jamerson, dude.
Jeff: Four?
JT Spangler: He's just out there.
Jeff: Ah, James Jamerson.
JT Spangler: But yeah, Gary Sinise is incredible. He's freaking sinister. I always love him when I see him and he's delightful.
Jeff: Yeah. Yeah.
JT Spangler: He just got done doing Apollo 13 with ah Ron Howard.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: ah My second one is Mel Gibson.
Jeff: Yeah, Mel Gibson as Tom Mullen.
JT Spangler: He's overacting. It's not his best performance and he's a horrible human, which we now all know.
Jeff: No.
JT Spangler: Although no he's going to make that sequel about Jesus, which I'm excited about. Yeah.
Jeff: There's a sequel? Oh, I heard that.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: It's at the end of the book he likes. um
JT Spangler: yeah
Jeff: it There is definitely going to be a sequel. um
JT Spangler: but ah But you can't do the movie without him. He's the guy who gets it. Like Mel Gibson is the star that gets this thing launched.
Jeff: Right.
JT Spangler: And, you know, they're not doing it if he doesn't do it. And he's good. He's just not as good as he can be.
Jeff: Did you see? Yeah. Like he he was, he was hamming it up though. Even when he was crying, like, I i don't know why I just didn't believe it.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: um
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: He had to go through an appendectomy though, halfway through the shooting. Did you see that? They were like,
JT Spangler: Overcame dyslexia to compete in the luge. Yeah.
Jeff: No, but there's a couple of scenes where they talked about it was on YouTube. They were like, this is where he had the appendectomy. And these are the scenes they filmed after it. And you could see he's like turning like James Kahn.
Jeff: He's like, like barely movies all stiff.
JT Spangler: Like he's got a spinal.
Jeff: Uh, Yeah. um So that's that's good that he overcame dyslexia to compete in the luge. I did like that he beat that.
Jeff: ah Plus, do we even even talk about Mel Gibson movies that he's been in? We don't need to.
JT Spangler: No, no, it's, well, we, we just did him and Renee Russo in lethal weapon.
Jeff: Oh, man, Mel Gibson, he's been in
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: So we did, we did that a couple of years ago on the podcast, lethal weapon two.
Jeff: No. Yeah, that was a couple years ago. The Rene Russo movie we just did was Tin Cup.
JT Spangler: No, no, but I mean, he him and Mel Gibson.
Jeff: Oh, oh, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
JT Spangler: ah Him and Rene Russo together in Lethal Weapon 3.
Jeff: Right.
JT Spangler: three
Jeff: Three.
JT Spangler: um Two and three, I guess. but So like they're back together. I like that. She's awesome. ah we' I never don't like Rene Russo. Dude, I got it. The original version of this was written was a TV play written for a show called The United States Steel Hour, and I didn't talk about it then, and I feel like I should talk about it.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: It was literally a television series that was sponsored by the United States Steel Corporation, U.S. Steel, called the United States Steel Hour.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: what What would you do if you turned on your TV and on Netflix it was like, hey, it's The Tonight Show brought to you by drywall. Like it's – that's how shit used to work.
Jeff: It's the same thing. It's the same thing, but the the difference is when they have these back then, it could be just... a menagerie to bring it back of all these different types of stuff.
Jeff: So like you have the Folgers coffee hour. It could be a freaking scary ass Hitchcock type movie. It could be some kind of comedy thing. It could be all these different things.
Jeff: A lot of times it kept it in the same genre or close to it, but dude, some of those were all over the map and I love that.
JT Spangler: Well, I think the funny part to me is that the industries, it's like, I would never like just, I mean, now when I watched the, like when I watched the NBA finals, I was like, man, people really want me to use their AI. I don't want to do that.
JT Spangler: um And it used to be like milk, watch this TV show.
Jeff: Yeah, yeah.
JT Spangler: And now it's like, I'm not selling milk anymore.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: No one gives a shit. It's like, drink it. Don't drink it. We got 30 different varieties.
Jeff: Oh, dude, they used to push milk hard, though. Remember? Got milk?
JT Spangler: of course
Jeff: That was a huge ad campaign.
JT Spangler: Big campaign. They solved that problem forever. But like, like it used to be just like trains, this radio show brought to you by train. would it' and I don't know why. Just as funny to me now, cause we just don't do that anything anymore.
Jeff: Oh, there's some trade...
JT Spangler: Do you want to pill so you don't pee as much? That's what we're bringing. That's what's sponsoring this basketball game.
Jeff: Yes. um ah there i Dude, i'm the only thing I watch live that I have to sit through commercials is sports.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: And I've noticed that the only thing that we're selling is drugs and trucks.
JT Spangler: Yes, that is accurate.
Jeff: Like it's frigging, every single break is...
JT Spangler: Drugs and Trucks, the great country song that hasn't been written yet.
Jeff: Oh man. The problem is it's not drugs and trucks. Like you're thinking it's not like post Malone drugs and trucks.
JT Spangler: No.
Jeff: It's like drugs that are for my plaque psoriasis.
JT Spangler: It's freaking Wellbutrin. Yeah.
Jeff: That doesn't get a lot of, doesn't get a lot of action. Now Jason Aldean will sing his song about plaque psoriasis.
JT Spangler: I heard the rhyme.
JT Spangler: It's hard to rhyme with plaque psoriasis.
Jeff: who
JT Spangler: Yeah. My third character is Delroy Lindo.
Jeff: Somebody, many somebody many leave a comment of what rhymes with plaque psoriasis, please.
JT Spangler: ah cute can Does anyone know Eminem? Because I feel sure he can do it.
JT Spangler: um
Jeff: oh that's funny um dude that's that is my um that's my third also dude he has been great since american graffiti the uh
JT Spangler: Delroy Lindo is my third. I freaking love Delroy Lindo.
JT Spangler: Yeah, man.
Jeff: The frigging George Lucas. I did. I love, ah I love him gone in 60 seconds was when I, and Romeo must die.
JT Spangler: Gone in 60 seconds where he's also a detective.
Jeff: Those of the two that I remember him from the most, from this timeframe.
JT Spangler: Yep.
Jeff: He was just in centers. I don't know if you saw that. That's kind of a horror movie.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: So I knew you kind of steer clear of those.
JT Spangler: It's, it is kind of a horror movie, but it's so good. I feel like i had to watch it in the daytime with all the lights on.
Jeff: Oh, that's, that's awesome.
JT Spangler: Yeah, but we we just saw him in Get Shorty last year.
Jeff: Uh, yeah.
JT Spangler: um Dude, he's just, he's great, man. Feeling Minnesota, which we're not going to do, but he's in that this year.
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: Uh, wasn't, uh, he, it broken arrow.
JT Spangler: He's in Broken Arrow. We'll do that this year.
Jeff: Yeah. I was going to say, we're going to do that one. He's in that.
JT Spangler: Yeah, we're going to see plenty of Delroy Lindo.
Jeff: Oh man. That's funny. I can't believe, um, You didn't have a a rhyme for black psoriasis when I asked. It's so crazy.
JT Spangler: All right, dude. Writer, director. The writer was, because it's a remake of a remake, so the screenplay was credited to Richard Price and Alexander Ignan, and it was based on ah the original play, which is by Cyril Hume and Richard Meibom.
Jeff: Richard Price, I know some of his stuff. um But the other person, igman Alexander Ignan, I think he's a novelist normally.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Yes.
Jeff: um And I don't really read a lot of those type of novels. um So i didn't read any of his stuff. But ah Richard Price.
JT Spangler: Well, the most the most interesting of the whole bunch was that one of the original writers, ah Richard Meibom, which and he wrote 13 James Bond movies um between like 62 and 89.
Jeff: that
Jeff: Damn.
JT Spangler: So like Dr. No, License to Kill, um like bunch of that.
Jeff: All the things. Yeah. Yeah.
JT Spangler: Yeah, from Russia with love, Goldfinger, Her Majesty's Secret Service, Diamonds Are Forever, Man With the Golden Gun, Spy Who Loved Me, For Your Eyes Only, Octopussy You to Kill.
Jeff: Damn.
Jeff: I was going to say, did he do Octopussy?
JT Spangler: he's
Jeff: That was in the early 80s. I remember seeing that.
JT Spangler: Yes. So, like, that's a pretty, like, incredible piece of trivia.
Jeff: That's awesome.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: who's who's the Who's the guy who actually wrote um James Bond?
JT Spangler: I don't know.
Jeff: What's that guy's name? Starts with an I, doesn't it? That was a freaking question Jake asked me the other day.
JT Spangler: Yeah, it was ah Ian, God dang it, what's the guy's name? Ian Fleming.
Jeff: Fleming. Fleming.
JT Spangler: Like Mr. Fleming, our chemistry teacher.
Jeff: Yes. God, that's a deep cut.
JT Spangler: Deep cut for sure.
Jeff: I bet he has black psoriasis.
JT Spangler: So
JT Spangler: Ron Howard, everyone knows from that show that he did.
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: Dude, he um did Night Shift.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: um
JT Spangler: Dude, you love Night Shift.
Jeff: dude, I cannot get enough of that movie. is
JT Spangler: You should start a second podcast where you just review Night Shift over over and over again.
Jeff: We need to watch it and do it on the podcast just so you can see how awesome it is.
JT Spangler: like That's like the 50th time you've mentioned it.
Jeff: Oh, man. Yeah, but he did Night Shift, um and that's my that's my jam, and that was one of his first ones.
JT Spangler: He's done some other stuff. ah He's won like 11 Academy Awards. But ah no, he's won two Academy Awards, seven Emmys, two Golden Globes, two Grammys. He's been nominated for seven BAFTAs. He's done. he's He's had an okay career. Pretty good.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Decent.
Jeff: It's all right.
JT Spangler: Did all right.
Jeff: Did a few walkathons.
JT Spangler: Did okay.
Jeff: Did all right. All right. um Yeah. Cocoon, Splash, Backdraft, Apollo 13, 11.
JT Spangler: Yeah. Tons of shit.
Jeff: Which one? 13. Apollo 13.
JT Spangler: Yep.
Jeff: Didn't he do the Grinch movie?
JT Spangler: Yes, he did, which they're about to do a sequel for, the Jim Carrey Grinch movie.
Jeff: Hang on.
Jeff: Oh, nice. Is Jim Carrey in it?
JT Spangler: and yeah
Jeff: Is he going to do it again?
JT Spangler: Isn't that the one? Yeah. i think i think i think Jim Carrey and Ron Howard just announced like in the last few days they're going to do a sequel to that.
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: Oh, nice. My kids are going lose it.
JT Spangler: Yeah, that'll be great.
Jeff: They love that. Yeah.
JT Spangler: um Bonus good. So I've wanted to figure out where the actual penthouse that they shot in in New York was because next to Central Park.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: And it was filmed at 1067 Fifth Avenue, which is on the Upper East Side, on the East Side of Central Park.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: And I was like, dude, let me get on and see if I can find like if if this penthouse like sold recently because to see how much it's worth.
Jeff: Yeah. Yeah.
JT Spangler: And the only, the most recent transaction I could find was where the entire building sold ah for a half a million dollars in 1915. Yeah,
Jeff: Oh, Jesus. i was like half a million dollars. What happened to it? Oh, that's great.
JT Spangler: yeah so um
Jeff: I don't know that... um
Jeff: i get I get that they're super rich and I get that you want to live at the top of a building.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: And I know that I'm thinking in a way that I just think about like, oh shit, I got to carry all my groceries into the thing. And then like, no wait a second.
Jeff: I just have people for that if I live there.
JT Spangler: Yeah. Dude, people.
Jeff: Yeah. I don't.
JT Spangler: The groceries are delivered and then the doorman brings them up and sets them at the base of your elevator or maybe, and then your housekeeper puts them away. Like, you're not touching groceries.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Like, I don't even think, because they had like more than one staff member in there is like, like the freaking Hispanic lady that brought the like thing to Rene Russo.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: ah You're not even, you're not even going like, are we out of Turkey? you're just like, make me a sandwich, bitch. Like you, you're not.
Jeff: Lo siento. We're out of Turkey. No.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: No, we're not.
JT Spangler: You're like, make me an acai bowl and then make me a French omelet with only egg whites, like, and Porcino mushrooms. you're not doing, you're never going to the store.
Jeff: Jeez, this is getting way out of my element because it sounds like when I talk to really rich people and they're like, yeah, we were going to take the Benz, but it's in the shop, so we had to take the Porsche.
JT Spangler: I don't. Do it.
Jeff: Like, really? We were going to take the Prius, but... ah Instead, I have to take the bus because there is no other car. What? I don't i don't i don't have... like I don't know what to even ask for. The fact that you said a French omelet with only egg whites and then named the type of mushroom, as i'm way that's way past me.
JT Spangler: Yeah, dude, I don't know what any of that shit is that I just said.
Jeff: Oh, my God.
JT Spangler: let But like, i now listen, like neither my wife or I really love to cook. So it would be awesome to have someone just be like, could you make dinner tonight? But if they go like, what do you want? I'd be like well, fucking, whoa you want me to kill the chicken? Like you make it.
JT Spangler: Like I don't want to, I don't want to figure it out either, you know?
Jeff: oh man uh that's gonna be you know how they they put on the divorce papers what the divorce is about that's what's gonna be on mine just in reconcilable differences over what's for dinner uh because i'll burn this bitch to the ground i cook every night for these people
JT Spangler: dude i uh do about 80 of the cooking but credit to my wife she doesn't really care what we eat like she's just
Jeff: They don't care in the beginning until you bring it to them. And they're like, the fuck is this?
JT Spangler: Well, dude, we've been together 10 years. Like she's pretty laid back. Like I know the food that she likes, but I'm like, you know, like if she was going out to a restaurant, she wouldn't order the shit that I'm cooking for her.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: But she's like, salmon and rice.
Jeff: Right.
JT Spangler: That's fine.
Jeff: Right.
JT Spangler: And she's like, are you making chicken?
Jeff: Right. right
JT Spangler: i didn't want chicken. She's like, chicken. Great.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: ah But my kid is like, don't like chicken.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: was like, fuck you don't like chicken? You eat chicken two times a day.
Jeff: My problem is, is um I'll come up with something and then there's three people other than me eating it. So I can't make it how I would like it. I have to make it how everyone likes it.
Jeff: ah And then I slowly start ah like nixing spices and ingredients to pacify different people. And then all of a sudden it's just like, cool. I should just boiled this chicken because doesn't taste anything like I want, ah but they're getting there.
JT Spangler: Yeah, overor over at the Horn residence where ketchup is too spicy.
Jeff: You see, it's,
Jeff: This milk spicy. um Yeah. CC is old enough now that she likes, she's starting to get there. So it's better.
JT Spangler: So other ah bonus good about this movie is that there's there's a bunch of conspiracy theories online. Shocker. But specifically about the JonBenet Ramsey case because the ransom note has several lines in it that are almost exactly the same as dialogue from this movie.
Jeff: Oh my God.
JT Spangler: and it's a kind of similar timeframe.
Jeff: That,
JT Spangler: So there's a lot of people going like, I think they took some stuff from the movie and put it in the JonBenet Ramsey note. And I was like, that's awesome. I mean, that's not awesome that it happened, but it is awesome.
Jeff: I like that. Yeah, son. They're going to exhume her body.
JT Spangler: then thursday
Jeff: Did you hear that? They're taking they're digging her up? Yeah.
JT Spangler: I did not hear that.
Jeff: Yeah, yeah.
JT Spangler: yeah so
Jeff: I can't even make it through the whole bit.
JT Spangler: I was going to set you up, but you couldn't finish it.
Jeff: If this wasn't a video, I could have made it through the whole thing. But see, Bryce.
Jeff: Oh, yeah. They're digging her up. The mom wants to put on the red hat, I think, is what happened.
JT Spangler: No, I don't think that's right. I can't be right.
Jeff: I can't be right.
JT Spangler: Also, I looked up some stuff about the original Ransom from 1956, which I did not watch, but apparently the original one, they didn't show the kidnappers at all.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: There was no, they got like no screen time.
Jeff: Ooh, nice.
JT Spangler: So that was something that people said like, i actually like that about this version because you did get to see more about what's going on with the kidnappers.
Jeff: I like that.
Jeff: No, I like the, i like the, let it be in my, yeah.
JT Spangler: I like the shorter version.
Jeff: Let it be in my, in my brain. I'm the one that comes up with it.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: ah The bonus good I had, dude, John Ortiz is the ah the Hispanic guy that they got in the... um Remember when Donnie Wahlberg went in to go buy cereal for the kid and some videotapes, and he ah Gary Sinise was talking to a guy?
JT Spangler: Yes.
Jeff: That's John Ortiz.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: Dude's been in tons of stuff. He was just in that TV show...
JT Spangler: Using fast and furious.
Jeff: He was in that too, but he was in, um, what's the, the TV show with Vince Vaughn where he's a detective that's in the Florida keys, uh, whatever that's called bad monkey.
Jeff: No bad, bad monkey, bad monkey.
JT Spangler: Bad monkey. Yeah.
Jeff: Uh, he's his best friend. frigging love that guy, but he's in a ton of stuff. Carlitos way.
JT Spangler: Yeah, he's having a ton of stuff.
Jeff: Yeah. He's been in Miami vice a bunch and American gangster bumblebee.
JT Spangler: Like Handmaid's Tale and... Yeah, he's...
Jeff: He was in, I like that guy. Um,
JT Spangler: Yeah. That's a great call.
Jeff: And that's kind of how most people see him. Plus, uh, your boy, get out of my chair.
JT Spangler: Gotcha.
Jeff: uh, Dan and I, um, he was in there.
JT Spangler: Dan Hedaya. Yeah.
Jeff: That was awesome. I like that guy.
JT Spangler: Yeah, man. Dude, it's a really good cast. Everything about this is really well done, except that I didn't like it.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: But that's, know... mean, it is their fault because they're the ones who made it, but like they weren't trying to do that.
Jeff: It's their fault. Not really, but it is.
JT Spangler: I think they took their $309 million dollars on $70 million invested, in i like, I don't care if some nobodies 30 years from now don't like this on their stupid podcast.
Jeff: Um,
Jeff: yeah
Jeff: I don't need your money. Yeah,
JT Spangler: All right, let's do worst.
Jeff: yeah it was too long.
JT Spangler: Too long.
Jeff: It kept, they just kept doing the same thing.
JT Spangler: It's a plot. du
Jeff: Like the, it it got repetitive in the middle.
JT Spangler: They're really in... The really interesting twist is when Mel Gibson goes on TV and says, here's the ransom, but it's not for you. It's for whoever brings me your head. I'm not paying you.
Jeff: Right. Right, right.
JT Spangler: But that doesn't happen until an hour into the movie. That's 60 pages of shit that I didn't need.
Jeff: Right, right. the the All the different subplots aren't sharp enough for me to make it into the main plot.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Yeah, like all the kidnappers get to have like a couple of pages where they're working on like, oh, this guy is really actually kind of nice to the kid. And this guy's, don't care about it.
Jeff: Yeah. but That's what I'm saying. like We didn't need that. like all those It sets up too many elements that it didn't actually use to make it better. So I say.
JT Spangler: Yeah, they didn't and they don't really pay off. So you you spend time that doesn't really ultimately pay off.
Jeff: Right.
Jeff: Agreed.
JT Spangler: So yeah, that really is the only complaint. Like it's a bunch of people doing a good job, but it's just...
Jeff: Yeah, yeah. That's the same thing. That's what I had for worst stuff there. But worst effects, I had ah some of those squibs when they shot them.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: You could like really see that it was a squib. It was like still square under their chest and you could see the band they're wearing like they they could do better. Ron Howard could do better than that. And he does now. um And like the blood at the very end, it was like pink in some spots.
Jeff: The version I watched was 4k and it was super clear and it was fantastic, but I think that was to its detriment. I should have watched it in 360 P like we would have at home back in the nineties.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: And it would have looked a little better, but yeah, it was, I didn't like that. Um, And then old tech alert, dude, all the freaking wiretaps, do they still need to have like a little mic box that you have to wear for a wiretap anymore?
JT Spangler: I'm not sure.
Jeff: Cause like when they put that on his, on his hip, I i was like, fuck they're going to see that right away.
JT Spangler: Feels like.
Jeff: Like what you like?
JT Spangler: The all the like communications stuff like the cell phones are starting to get smaller from when we first saw them in movies a couple years ago, but they're still pretty big.
Jeff: the The microphone's tiny.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: Yeah. And he even unplugs.
JT Spangler: Yeah. ourhos
Jeff: Did you, did you see him unplug it and it killed the signal? And I was like, what the hell is that? I thought that was charging it. That wasn't charging it. That goes to the, to the antenna. That's got the little curly and then straight that's stuck to the window.
Jeff: Remember that?
JT Spangler: Yes. Oh, yes. Yes, I do.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: The old tech that I had was when they were in the convenience store, like the cereal that the guy was carrying. I was like oh, shit, I remember that cereal. And now I've forgotten it.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: But I remembered it at the moment. And the drink case was full of Gatorades and glass bottles.
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: Ooh, nice.
JT Spangler: I was like God, I love those.
Jeff: I didn't notice that.
JT Spangler: I can taste those right now. I can taste what the green would taste like.
Jeff: I like the green one and the orange one, but none of the other ones.
JT Spangler: Yeah. Well, there was only one other one.
Jeff: The red one. There was only one. Yeah. but now But now that there's other ones, i mean, I would drink the red if I had to, but I only liked orange and green.
JT Spangler: There's three. There was red, orange, and green.
JT Spangler: Yeah, if you had to.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: i mean, it's no 10K, but it's all right. No 10K thirst quencher.
Jeff: Oh man. Yes. um Plus, did you see in the very beginning, she found his, his videotape. She finally found it so he could play the commercial, which was like a 60 second ad of that was too much.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: I wouldn't fly that airline just on premise.
JT Spangler: what Dude, what about the kids like fake like hot air balloon thing that he made that had like an actual camcorder built into it?
Jeff: Yeah. And how'd they stream it to his little TV so he could watch it?
JT Spangler: No idea. I don't know.
Jeff: That's crazy.
JT Spangler: I mean, you could do that. It seems it would be really expensive, but they clearly had money.
Jeff: Yeah. Yeah. um Any political incorrectness?
JT Spangler: I didn't notice any.
Jeff: I didn't either.
JT Spangler: I'm sure there was some.
Jeff: The only thing, like I didn't find any, like, you know, this is going to get somebody canceled, but dude, the whole idea of, I just had this at the very bottom, like the rogue individual that's going to get the job done, whether violence is the answer or not is pretty nineties.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: you know, like ah Mel Gibson has a lot of movies like that. Like, Hey, we're just going to have to blow shit up. Like that's just how it's going to have to be.
JT Spangler: yeah
Jeff: ah That's, that's kind of nineties. I think people are more um precise now. I don't know how to say it. They're more um it's not, they don't have the, the glorified violence streak as much in these types of movies.
JT Spangler: othersson they're not as much like going to go out and be vigilante about it They're like, we'll just let the police handle this.
Jeff: Right. Yeah. Yeah. Unless it's Batman, then he's a vigilante. Oh, at the very bottom, here it is. ah The guy from sex in the city handler.
JT Spangler: Yeah. Evan handler.
Jeff: ah He was drunk and saying the word drama over and over. um And I think a and a black voice or he was trying to, and he was just like, yeah, like the brothers say, drama, man, drama, drama.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: And he kept saying it over and over. And I was like, can can we not do that?
JT Spangler: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Yeah. I didn't think that was, I mean, I'm sure maybe it's racist, but I was like, I don't think I've ever heard anybody say drama like that.
Jeff: Necessary?
JT Spangler: But yeah, I'm not sure if that was improv or scripted, but we probably don't have old white guy going like, here's how black people talk.
Jeff: Yeah.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Check it out. I'm doing it in mine.
Jeff: Let me show you. um Oh, one last thing. How heavy is $2 million dollars in $100 bills? Because they were just carrying that shit around.
JT Spangler: I think it depends on what size bills you have.
Jeff: It's the $100 bills. That's what they had. It's 44 pounds.
JT Spangler: For, so 22 pounds each?
Jeff: So yeah, that's not bad.
JT Spangler: Yeah, nothing to it.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: Easy.
Jeff: Yeah. You could do that.
JT Spangler: Light work.
Jeff: Light work, no reaction.
JT Spangler: Yeah, carry that shit all day.
Jeff: I have, I have a teenager. That's a lead ball knowledge right there. Just knowing that.
JT Spangler: That's elite ball knowledge, Dad, knowing how you're a card CD player works. What?
JT Spangler: Get grounded. Go to your room. Give me your phone.
Jeff: ah Yeah. Stop learning.
JT Spangler: Don't talk to anyone your age for 10 years.
Jeff: Stop. Stop learning all the brain rot. um All right. Five questions.
JT Spangler: Yeah. Is it okay for kids? No, it's R-rated.
Jeff: Yeah, it's R-rated. ah I would let a 13-year-old watch this, though.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: that's It's just dirty words and really bad blood.
JT Spangler: And violence.
Jeff: I mean, yeah, but...
JT Spangler: Nothing they're seeing all the time.
Jeff: Yeah, I was going to say, hey, stop playing Call of Duty. Come over here and watch this movie. um
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: e It's just's the bloody shootouts, but you can tell they're they're they're pretty bad. kid's going to watch this. I wouldn't watch this again.
JT Spangler: No. No chance.
Jeff: So, yeah.
JT Spangler: Would this movie get made if it were pitched now? It seems like we're due. We did it in 54, 56, 96. It seems like it's time.
Jeff: Yeah, it's it's definitely time. um we can You can make this again, right? Parents push to the brink in 90 minutes, maybe less.
JT Spangler: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. instead of drive to the bank and transfer money, it's like, can you just cash at me the 2 million just from your phone right now?
Jeff: Yo, hit me up on Cash App right quick for the two mil. Can you do that?
JT Spangler: No, I think there's limits on that. I know Venmo, there's limits.
Jeff: Yeah. it's good
JT Spangler: It's like three grand or something.
Jeff: Yeah.
JT Spangler: So could you do, do you do like 70 transactions on Venmo until we get to the 2 million?
Jeff: There's a bunch of...
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: Sounds like the guy on the other pump next to me trying to fill up his truck the other day. was like, God damn show. I'm like, what? is the I look over and I'm like, what's the this guy's problem? He's like, dude, I got to scan my car for the third time to fill this up.
Jeff: But he has like that extra tank in the back. It was like a work truck, but it limits to $100 each time.
JT Spangler: Right.
JT Spangler: Yeah, well, gas is so reasonable, so.
Jeff: Yeah, I mean, but it's better now. I mean, I used to be able to only fit like $25 in my car. Now I could fit almost $40 in my car
JT Spangler: Yeah, extra value.
Jeff: It's better. Extra.
JT Spangler: I'm just out here. I'm just out here driving my commemobile, the electric vehicle, not having to put any gas in it at all.
Jeff: I try so hard to not get past the electric battery on mine to go to the gas.
JT Spangler: Movie or TV show, I think that this would be a good movie.
Jeff: okay
JT Spangler: I mean, it could be a good movie.
Jeff: Yeah. Could you ah take this same thing and make it like a miniseries and make it go really deep into the thing?
JT Spangler: Yeah, dude, I mean, The Fugitive was a miniseries and then was a was a movie.
Jeff: But that's the part.
Jeff: Yeah. I think... I think the pressure cooker aspect of it needs to be a movie. It needs to be tight and fast.
JT Spangler: I think so too. I think the difference between like the fugitive in the sixties being a like series, I don't think anyone would want to pay for a series. Cause they're like, if this goes well, we want to do like four or five seasons of it.
JT Spangler: And no one's going to do that. Many of this we're back in the day.
Jeff: Right, right, right.
JT Spangler: Like, yeah, they're just do two seasons. It's fine.
Jeff: Yeah. And then shut it down. um Did you remake it? Did you put a ah person in there?
JT Spangler: I'm trying to think of who's the modern day Mel Gibson. Um,
Jeff: I put Hugh Jackman.
JT Spangler: Yeah, but I like Hugh Jackman.
Jeff: Yeah, I do.
JT Spangler: So i was trying to think of like, who's someone who's popular that we're probably going find out is a horrible.
Jeff: I like him too.
Jeff: Oh, that's that's it that's everybody it feels like though.
JT Spangler: Shane Gillis?
JT Spangler: Does feel like everybody?
Jeff: It feels like everybody's just like, oh, oh turns out Joseph Gordon-Levitt was on that plane.
JT Spangler: Just going to live on a secret rich person island.
Jeff: That's great. um What about for the bad guy? i I found somebody for that. Do you know who Michael Shannon is?
Jeff: If you saw him, I think you would recognize him.
JT Spangler: Michael Shannon. Oh yeah, i know that guy. Yeah, he's got that like Gary Sinise face.
Jeff: Yeah. Yeah, he's got that. I could take like very intense, forceful acting. I like that guy.
Jeff: So I want him as the bad guy. and But that's all I did. Can we bring back Delroy Lindo? Is he still alive? I want him to still be the cop. He's 73, but he doesn't look 73.
JT Spangler: He is alive. see
Jeff: Ooh.
JT Spangler: He could definitely do it. ah Maybe James Franco for the lead. Really good actor. Kind of a terrible person.
JT Spangler: Kevin Spacey doing anything? ah
Jeff: this, this squinty smiley guy. ah Yeah. I'm with that.
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: Could he, could he be angry like Mel Gibson though?
JT Spangler: I don't know. I'm sure.
Jeff: Maybe.
JT Spangler: um All right. Can you still watch and enjoy this in 2026?
Jeff: I mean,
JT Spangler: It's hard to find streaming. I will say that it's not available anywhere.
Jeff: it's very hard. Yeah.
JT Spangler: um So there's that and there's two where long and it's just not that good. it's fine. You can watch it. You don't need to.
Jeff: Yeah. It has a a minus on cinema score. I put that down at the bottom, but that means a steaming hot cup of Jack all squat because I do not give this an a minus.
JT Spangler: Agreed.
Jeff: Um, So, um yeah, I think that's it. Yeah.
JT Spangler: Yeah, I think so. was the We wanted to do Independence Day next, right? For Fourth July?
Jeff: and independent For Independence Day.
JT Spangler: Yeah, for ID4. Next movie will come out. will be Today we celebrate our independence.
Jeff: Welcome to IRF.
JT Spangler: Oh, God. And frigging Randy Quaid blowing up the aliens.
Jeff: big Speaking of terrible people.
JT Spangler: He's my favorite.
Jeff: um
JT Spangler: Yeah.
Jeff: ah Yeah, dude, that's great. I can't wait to do it.
JT Spangler: All right, man.
Jeff: What else?
JT Spangler: Well, i think we're ah i think we're good.
Jeff: Cool.
JT Spangler: See you next time. Bye.
Jeff: Bye. That
Jeff: was fast.
