Become a Creator today!Start creating today - Share your story with the world!
Start for free
00:00:00
00:00:01
Episode 142: First Losing Streak of the Season
64 Plays6 months ago
Alex and Corey react to Ty-sanity!!! and the end of the perfect season dream. We breakdown the most recent games and take a look at the up-coming schedule.
Twitter: @CavsPickandRoll
Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@cavspickandroll
Instagram: CavsPickandRoll
Email: CavsPickandRoll@gmail.com
Facebook: Cavs Pick and Roll Podcast
Recommended
Transcript
Thanksgiving and Holiday Plans
00:00:19
Speaker
Cory here with you, along with Alex. And Alex, how was your turkey day, man? It was good. It was good. Went and spent it with family, with my wife's family, and tomorrow we're going to celebrate Thanksgiving with my family and watch the Ohio State game. There you go. There you go. Yeah, it's kind of been a nice little break, but it's been hectic. A lot of family stuff going on.
Christmas Tree Shopping
00:00:48
Speaker
And you were talking about before we started recording, you guys were doing a little bit of shopping. Yeah.
00:00:56
Speaker
Yeah, we needed to get a new Christmas tree. So, you know, we did the Lowe's, Home Depot, Costco, Petitti's, Lighthouse, ah just trying to find something that fit the space that we had and what, you know, a good price and all the features we wanted. That's what you got to look for in a Christmas tree these days, right? The electronics that are in them.
00:01:18
Speaker
Sure. Unfortunately, you got the LED lights, the dimming and color changing and all that
Cleveland Cavaliers Pool Table Discovery
00:01:23
Speaker
craziness. So yeah, we end ended up getting a ah Christmas tree, a lighthouse. And while we were there, ah I was looking at like the patio furniture and they got games and ah hot tubs. And I saw some pool tables and they had a sign that said 50 percent off and they had a Cleveland Cavaliers pool table.
00:01:42
Speaker
And it was beautiful Corey on the, uh, on the, the cloth that had the, uh, tabs 50th anniversary logo. And it was like, yeah, it was, it was, it was really cool. What was that? Uh, what was that? He said 50% off. What was that price tag? Uh, it was still about $3,000.
00:02:01
Speaker
yeah yeah so all pricey ah Alex, I hope you made the right decision and didn't cancel your family's Christmas. and and buy that tablee I got the the measuring tape out. I'm checking my space. ah Yeah, they did not offer a military discount. I already checked that. well I'll tell you what we'll do. I was at Five Below recently with my fam.
00:02:23
Speaker
ah Just looking around getting some ideas and stuff like that and they actually had one of those miniature pool tables It was like 15 bucks or something like that. I can always get that for you I'm sure we can find a decal somewhere of ah of a calves logo. and We can just slap that bad boy on there and We could ah we could play pool at your house on the miniature pool table. All right heads. Yeah Yeah.
Cavaliers' Losing Streak
00:02:48
Speaker
Thanksgiving is always one of my favorite holidays. Love the food. Turkey time is always a good time. ah Getting away from work, spending time with the fam. ah But Alex, I think unfortunately the Cavs had too much turkey because they have laid two stinkers in a row against a inferior team in the Atlanta Hawks. And it's their first losing streak of the season.
00:03:13
Speaker
Not too bad for being almost 20 games into the year, but it not the teams not the team that I would have thought it would have happened against by any means. Yeah. you know it's a it' I don't know what it is. They're they're a tough matchup for us. they yeah They got a lot of good young guys. They play a similar style to us. They get up and down the court fast. They got several guys that are just long and lanky and quick and jump it out of the gym. Yeah. Yeah. They got, uh, what Daniels, uh, Johnson and is it Riche? I can't, I can't remember how to say his last name, but those three guys are, they're all three really good. They actually looked very similar. They have like the similar hairstyle and body type and Johnson, Jalen Johnson too can jump out. Yeah. Johnson. Yeah. They're just all, uh, incredibly athletic and they're just tough matchup for us.
00:04:05
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, I was kind of disappointed. And now the Cavs are unfortunately eliminated from the NBA Cup, Alex. Ripped away from another title. dr The drought continues. Eight years and counting.
NBA Court Aesthetics
00:04:19
Speaker
ah kids Kids don't know these days, Alex. They just...
00:04:25
Speaker
Yeah, a little disappointed. Uh, you know, I thought, shoot, we were, we were on such a good roll, such a hot streak going into this, uh, in game in season tournament. I thought, uh, I thought we would steamroll it. Yeah. Before we get into these games, uh, and you know, the cup's over for us, but we didn't get a chance to talk about this last time because it hadn't started yet. But what do you think about like the courts?
00:04:50
Speaker
because Because every NBA team is doing a different court, right? um For their home games and they're pretty, I don't know, exotic is the best way, very colorful, kind of kind of blinding. We talked about this a little bit last year. But what did you think about you know some of the courts you saw or even the Cavs court you know for for these games? Do you like them? Do you not like them?
00:05:10
Speaker
i I like the Cavs court. I think it looks really nice. it's very ah They did it in a very classy way. I thought the Atlanta Hawks court looked terrible. um I'm not sure quite even sure I understand what design they were going for with that. I can't really remember any of the others off the top of my head, really.
00:05:30
Speaker
Yeah, ive seen I've seen a couple of them from other teams, like just watching highlights or whatever, and it's just some of these courts, man. They're so bright, and it's got to be weird to play on that because, you know, yeah, you still got a three-point line, you still got all your lines there, but it's got to throw you off. And I remember last year, which was the first year, there was like people slipping all over the place, and what you drinking, Alex?
Seasonal Beers and Shopping
00:05:54
Speaker
I was showing off my ah Great Lakes cookie exchange milk stout. It is that time of year for you. Yeah. Yeah. I was going to mention that at the very beginning of the episode when you're talking about time of the year. It's like, yeah, it's also a great time of year for beer because you got, you know, I mean, just mean the Great Lakes Christmas sale comes out. And along with that, they've been bringing out some new ones. The cookie exchange milk stout's a new one.
00:06:16
Speaker
Then I also picked up the left hand stout Mexican hot chocolate, which is a ah very interesting flavored beer. Olic gills? We haven't shouted out gills in a while. No, I picked these up at, uh, yeah. i only To be fair, you move, so it's probably a longer drive for you.
00:06:35
Speaker
well did gills move because you did you move oh yeah yeah i moved i thought you're talking about gills yeah well gills is is not there but it's still there i think they just changed names now it's called proof uh well but i did not get this at proof i got this at discount drug mart i did go to proof though and buy a bottle of gin There you go. There's that. There you go. Gotta get through these painful Cavs games somehow, right? I'll keep rambling about whatever you want to talk about, Corey. Yeah, well, talking about two Hawks losses isn't very fun, but let's get back to it. Let's break down today's
Analyzing Cavs' Losses
00:07:10
Speaker
game. Today's game was an early game, Alex. It was like a 2.30 game.
00:07:14
Speaker
Um, which is great in theory, right? Cause most people aren't working and stuff, but maybe busy, you know, it was kind of hard to catch this game to be honest with you. Um, but the calves ended up losing this game, one 17 to one on one. And Alex, what did you see in this game? Why why did the calves lose this game? I just feel like we got away from doing what we've been doing. We kind of got away from.
00:07:42
Speaker
uh the three-point game uh playing uh solid defense uh you know i i don't know what it is you know like i said earlier i think we just don't match up well against the hawks and at the same time we just kind of uh it didn't seem like we were giving all the effort that we had been giving Uh, at the very beginning of the season, we seem like we kind of slacked off a little bit. Tony, man, too much Turkey, too much Turkey, because it looks like a different team and defense, defense, defense killed them. In my opinion, gave up way too many easy buckets and just, yeah, the effort wasn't there. Like we've been accustomed to see, um, up until this point, really not a single block.
00:08:30
Speaker
Yeah, very, very uncharacteristic ah of this team. um Just they didn't seem like they were there. They just seemed like they were checked out. Jared Allen has you know a horrible game, which isn't the norm for him. He gives you six points, five rebounds. Donovan Mitchell you know played a lot of minutes, but wasn't able to get going. Had 11 rebounds. That's cool, but only 12 points. And unfortunately, in today's NBA, points is what's going to win the game, right? You got to outscore the other the other team.
00:08:57
Speaker
So, you know, having those two guys kind of not be their norm on top of the lack of a defensive effort, it was going to be very hard to win this game. You needed a hero somewhere else. And, you know, it just nobody else really, you know, from the bench had a big game tonight and everybody else had single digits, basically. Yeah, they just got away from a style of basketball that they've been playing.
00:09:20
Speaker
yeah uh donovan mitchell two for ten from three garland was shooting good garland remotely shot three three pointers didn't hit any of them that's yeah yeah bizarre he still had a solid game i mean 24 points 12 rebounds he was he was aggressive he was dunking he was getting to the rim garland was jacking up three pointers finished with 29 points but yeah mitchell mitchell just had an off game that happens Yeah, for four from three, no surprise. There's the guy you know, there's the guy you know, right? You're you're waiting for that all season. When can I rag on Niang? Because he's actually been kind of you know okay. Yeah, he's been kind of okay. He's been laying a couple of eggs these last few games.
00:10:03
Speaker
Cavs did get some health back,
Cavaliers' Injuries Impact
00:10:05
Speaker
Alex, though. That is something that happened kind of in between um since last time recorded. We kind of had our first stint of some injuries happen outside of Max Drus. This was the first game that Caris Lavert was back, which was nice to see. ah He played 20 minutes. But again, I mean, yeah, what do you expect? He's not going to come back and drop 30 and save the day. Right. So um but nice to have have some healthy bodies back and and get Lavert back into the lineup as well.
00:10:31
Speaker
Yeah, we did kind of get bit by the injury bug and it was right before that Celtics game, which was really disappointing because ah it would have been nice to go in there full strength because I think we would have, I think we would have stole that one if we were full strength. But, you know, we ended up starting a Sam Merrill who hadn't really gotten a whole lot of minutes all season. Then here we are plugging them into the starting lineup against the Celtics. But we were without a Cora who was getting quality minutes, you know, during that hot run we had, ah we were without Wade.
00:11:01
Speaker
Uh, who else was missing from that, that we had four guys injured the vert, the vert was ahtu was as solid on the second unit for us. And then, yeah, we just ran into, uh, the best team in the East and, uh, we were not at full strength. And I think that's kind of the story there, but yeah we played good basketball otherwise. Yeah. Well, we'll, we'll touch on that. I want to get into that Celtics game here, but I want to get through this, this, these couple of games here first, but I definitely want to go back to that.
00:11:31
Speaker
um And credit to the Hawks because the Hawks I'm looking at their box score and like That's what I'm used to seeing for the Cavs, you know five five six people in double-digit scoring and that's that's what they did you know, what I mean and credit to them and You know, they played to two great games against against the Cavs and again, they're a team that's been kind of struggling there They're under 500 And they found a way to beat, you know arguably one of the the best teams in the league right now in the Cleveland Cavaliers back to back. So that's going to give them some clout and some confidence you know moving forward.
00:12:09
Speaker
um The game before this was in Cleveland, Alex. Don't know if you got a chance to to catch that game at all, but it was, you know, I mean, it wasn't all a similar story because Donovan Mitchell did show up. He dropped 30 points, you know, Jared Allen, 17 and 10. Like you kind of saw, you know, those players doing what they were doing. But again, the Cavs, you might be onto something. It just maybe it's just not a good matchup for him.
00:12:38
Speaker
Could be as simple as that. it It felt very similar. It just felt like the Cavs were playing sloppy. like Like you were saying, the defense wasn't there. ah The number of turnovers.
00:12:49
Speaker
Was crazy for the Cavs. They just kept turning the ball over. They weren't taking care of the ball at all I don't know what it was what what got them out of sync against the Hawks, but they also got out rebounded this game Which you know what Trish what not patristan with that with Jared Allen and Evan Mobley Like it should be very rare that you're getting out rebounded in my opinion and they got out rebounded by by the Hawks and They had more assists. you know So it's just, yeah, not a good game. Not a good one to lose at home. um Not what we were expecting. And if I recall, this Hawks team is one of the teams that actually beat the Celtics, I want to say, earlier in the year. It was like a last second shot or it was a one point win or something like that a couple of weeks ago as well. So the Hawks, although struggling again under 500, they've beaten some quality teams here.
00:13:40
Speaker
So maybe they'll start to figure things out and kind of become one of those sneaky middle of the pack teams, but yeah, it's funny. They beat the two, they've beaten the teams. They are the two top teams in the East and I mean, they're eight and 11. It's not like they're destroying other teams. No, yeah there's a lot of basketball left though. A lot of basketball left in this year. So.
00:14:04
Speaker
You know, the Cavs, hey, this was going to happen at some point, right? Alex, like the Cavs were going to lose a basketball game. That was the Celtics game. The Cavs were going to have some
Cavs' Bounce Back with Ty Jerome
00:14:14
Speaker
sort of losing streak at some point, right? That's the Atlanta Hawks. um It was going to happen. They weren't going to go, you know, undefeated or anything like that. um the The thing, though, is, is you want to limit how many times you have those losing streaks.
00:14:29
Speaker
right You had a two game losing streak. You don't want a four or five game losing streak. You don't want multiple of those throughout the year. like The best teams in the league limit their losing streaks to two, three, maybe, at at most. right And they limit how many times that happens. And that's what it keeps them at the top of the league. And you know you started talking about that Celtics game. And I definitely want to go back to that, because to me, this feels a bit similar. They had an opportunity.
00:14:56
Speaker
and a disappointing result with that Celtics game, right? They just had the same scenario happen with the Atlanta Hawks and it's disappointing in the fact you lost back to back games to the same team. And again, a team that's not as good as you.
00:15:10
Speaker
So when they lost that Celtics game, Alex, I wasn't I wasn't really that. Of course, it sucks because it meant the end of the streak and it sucks because it's the Celtics and you never want to see your team lose. Right. But the Cavs were missing four players. They gave a 15 three pointers in the first quarter. They were getting humiliated by halftime and bashed on social media.
00:15:35
Speaker
and then came out the gate the second half, got back into the game, and no, they didn't win that game, but guess what? Their starters had to play the rest of that game to the last buzzard. They didn't get to sit there and just all sit back in the fourth quarter and have their laughs and like, no, Tatum, Brown, all those guys, they had to play, they had to fight the Cavs off.
00:15:55
Speaker
And that showed heart, in my opinion. And then it was like, OK, after they lose this game, how are they going to react? What are they going to do? Because the next night they played second night of a back to back against the pelicans, which granted they were missing like eight players, which is ridiculous. But still, Alex, second night of a back to back, I was a little nervous. Yeah, but they do. What do they do, Alex? You know, you know who it was. Ty Jerome, baby. Ty Jerome. Ty Jerome was on fire.
00:16:23
Speaker
having a career year. oh guess some pelicans yeah incredible came in twenty nine points just lit them up he looked them up fire he could not miss he was shooting threes from all over the court deep deep threes from the logo i mean it was insane Yeah, it was it was out of control. Ty Jerome is easily becoming one of my favorite players on this team. He's very easy to root for. He has such a different style than what you're accustomed to seeing. We talked a little about this last time, goes at his own speed, which throws off defenders. And yeah, he he had a great game and the Cavs came out and smashed a team that, you know, was missing players and they did what they were supposed to do. That's what you're supposed to do when they're underbanned.
Ty Jerome's Spectacular Play
00:17:12
Speaker
Right in it and they did the same thing the next game against the Toronto Raptors I don't think we really need to break down either one of those games But that's the point I was getting at is well, how are they gonna react after they lost that Celtics game? Well, they came out and smashed the next two teams again They weren't great teams But hey, that's two wins that made it a little bit easier to forget about that Celtics I think that Raptors game was the one I was texting you about wasn't it? I Raptors game, and I was just laughing. Raptors were hanging around. Raptors were hanging around in that game, though. I will give them credit. Was it? Yeah. I can't remember. I think it was a Raptors game, because Ty Jerome came off that 29-point outing against the Pelicans. And then I started watching the Raptors game, and he just picked up where he left off. 26. Yeah, 26 points against the the Raptors. And I was just laughing so hard, because he was making them look like absolute fools, just. Yeah.
00:18:03
Speaker
and he was shooting it from all over the place. He was stealing it, laying it up, taking it coast to coast. He caught, he like stolen inbound pass and and ah he had a big man, or no, wait, he stole it on but on their side of the court, ran all the way back down. He had, the big man was, their big man, the Toronto's big man was still at the other end of the court underneath the basket and he had like their guard chasing him.
00:18:29
Speaker
He ran full speed up to it, to the hoop, like he was going to lay it up and the big man, uh, you know, like stepped back because he didn't want to draw the foul in the guard came flying up to him and tie drew him fake. Like he was going to pass the ball behind him and the guard like drifted to the corner.
00:18:49
Speaker
And Ty Jerome was left standing there with the ball under the hoop. He picked out both the players that were there that were guarding him and just laid it in. I was laughing so hard. It was so funny. I was texting you. I was like, man, this is like Lynn's sanity. Ty Jerome's going nuts. Ty's sanity. There you go. Yeah. Yeah. Ty's been, man, what a, what a, what a, after last year getting injured game two of the season, being out for the entirety of the year,
00:19:16
Speaker
to to come back and have a year like he's having this year is just, man, heck of a story. um And he's been he's been a great addition. And and and and personally, I think a big reason why the Cavs are having the success they did, much like when Rubio was here. There's a lot of comparisons ah to Rubio's first year, which, again, he was phenomenal that first year. Then he had some injuries and and all that stuff. But ah Rubio made a big impact with that second unit, um just like Ty is having now for us. And um
00:19:47
Speaker
Let me ask you this question Alex this is kind of a tough one maybe it's not even fair to ask but you know he's getting compared so much to Rubio. You know it who would you go with if you could pick between Rubio and tie who would you go with.
00:20:04
Speaker
that you'd want to have on this Cavs roster. Now, not Rubio that you know is you know got injured for a year and a half and then took a mental break and is now overseas. I'm talking, go back to year one of Rubio, because we're not going to hold the years after him against him, just like we're not going to hold last year against Ty anymore. Compare year one to year one. Who would you rather have? Would you rather have Rubio?
00:20:27
Speaker
or Ty Jerome. Ooh, that's tough. I don't know, man. I don't know if I can pick. Are we talking like year one with the Cavs, Rubio? Yes. but his His best year. Just like this year is Ty's best year, right? Because technically, he's in his second year. I don't think we've seen enough of Ty yet to know for sure. i think I think, yeah, it's. He's had several very incredible games. Yes. But he's also a had some where he's just kind of disappeared. and um You know, I think I would say, uh, Ty Jerome be just because I think he is better defensively. Um, but younger, younger, yeah of course, younger, probably a better shooter. Probably. I think I'd give you that. Whereas Rubio was more of a.
00:21:16
Speaker
little better court vision. yeah i like He likes to get into the lane a little bit. Yeah. yeah Play a little bit bit down below the free throw line and stuff like that. Out of respect for Rubio, since you'll go Ty, I'll go Rubio. um I think Ty Jerome is, is outstanding, but yeah.
00:21:33
Speaker
I guess it gets a lot of steals. Ty Jerome does poke the ball out quite a bit. Can we have them both? Man, imagine having them both. That'd be crazy. But yeah, going back to this, you know, the Celtics lost and what did the Cavs do? How are they going to react after that? You know, they came out, they won those next two games. And now I feel like they're in the same boat because guess what, Alex?
00:21:57
Speaker
Guess who's waiting for him on Sunday? Six o'clock. Get the Celtics again. All right. And the Celtics are playing tonight. They're playing against the Bulls. It was a close game last time I checked. But this is a big game all over again because again, it's two juggernauts, two top teams of the East. And the Celtics are going to be licking their chops and seeing their opportunity.
00:22:20
Speaker
to to get back to number one in the standings, you know, just to prove like not we're the real deal. Yeah, the Cavs came off to a hot star, but we're still we're still the team. So how are the Cavs going to react if they can come out and win that game somehow on Sunday?
00:22:37
Speaker
Man, then these Hawks games are an afterthought. You lose that game, you get smashed or something like that, now you're on a three game losing streak, you drop in the standings, we're having a different conversation. yeah right It starts to go to that that conversation you don't really want to get into too many times throughout the year.
00:22:53
Speaker
So I'm really hoping Alex, the Cavs realize and and step up and are are motivated for that win. I didn't get to see this, that's first Celtics game because it was on TNT. Yes. I was on, I was on vacation and you're out of the country. and yeah I was out of the country on vacation and that game was on TNT.
Game Against the Celtics
00:23:13
Speaker
So it didn't record. So I didn't get to watch it.
00:23:16
Speaker
I got to watch it. It was on Max, Max carries TNT and I have somebody's login for that. So I got to watch it and I watched every minute. It was painful to watch, but something told me like, just keep watching, just keep watching, right? And yeah, like the Cavs just, man.
00:23:35
Speaker
the they were getting humiliated and they came back they had a great third quarter got back in the game and and like i said they they even had an opportunity i would say to win the game within the last couple minutes there if they just just could have went on a little mini run it would have been game over but i think would hurt them the most in that game and again they were undermanned but they played zone and they switched on everything and you mentioned san merrill starts that game well guess what happened ah Way too many times, Sam was put in a bad spot a lot because he would get picked, he would get switched, and now all of a sudden he's guarding Tatum, who has eight inches on him and you know is you know a top 10 player in the league himself. So we just didn't match up well, gave up way too many threes. The zone defense didn't work, but Atkinson never went away from it really because he really didn't have an answer.
00:24:28
Speaker
with you know so many guys out, Akuro being one of them, it was just it was a tough game. yeah um But again, I turned off that game like they beat us, barely, and we didn't even give our best effort. If we would have been giving our best effort and had you know all those things happen, give a 15 threes and Being crushed by halftime and then it would have been disappointed, but I was just like nah That's not really it's not really a win to be too proud of your if you're a Celtics You know fan because took a lot of work for them to beat us While we were undermanned so yeah, I only ive you know I did watch the highlights
00:25:06
Speaker
I checked the box score, I saw Darius Garland like basically laid an egg. He went 0 for 6 from 3, 3 for 21 from the field. It's awful. If Garland has a normal game, it's a different game as well. he He had the worst game of the season so far, that game. So that obviously didn't help as well.
00:25:24
Speaker
I wonder if I can go back and if you can go back and watch games on Macs or if they're only there live. I don't i don't i don't know if you can. I don't know if you can. But they had their bright green court and even my kids walked by at one point, they're like, what is that? I've never seen a green court before.
00:25:41
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. So we'll see Alex, what they what they do on on Sunday against the Celtics. um You know, they got to figure out a way to to just move on and and figure out how to win. They got the Wizards after that. So that's, ah you know, Wizards have and then you got the
Sam Merrill's Shooting Slump
00:26:01
Speaker
Nuggets after that. So you got you got Jokic waiting for you, not too far around the corner as well.
00:26:06
Speaker
Yeah, you had brought up Sam, the man, Merrill. He's been off the past few games. He's getting shots off. Yeah, I mean, he's getting shots off, but he's not hitting anything. He's not hitting. Very unlike him. He's been out of his groove. I just looked through the past what four or five games here and I see he was two for six, ah one for four.
00:26:32
Speaker
Yeah, two, yep. I mean, he just hasn't been on, which is very unlike him. Yeah, and we need that, right? We need that shooting. um And luckily we have several players that can go off at any given night, but... Looks like he was out with an ankle injury against the Pelicans.
00:26:48
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah. um But Sam's your specialist, right? So you need him to come in, you need him to hit a couple threes. Otherwise, in no disrespectful manner, but he's kind of not really contributing the way you need him to if he's not hitting some threes out there for you. Yeah, exactly. that's He's kind of a one-trick pony. If he's not hitting threes, then what's he doing on the court? He's always putting he's always given an effort. I'll give him that. But he's he's undersized. He's not going to be a good defensive. He's going to hurt you on the defensive end.
00:27:17
Speaker
So where he helps you out is get those points back with his, with his shooting abilities. So we'll see. I mean, shooting slums happen. He just got to hopefully get out of it and hear sooner and later Sunday would be a great day for that. Uh, just no zone defense on Sunday. play Yeah. Earlier in the season, you would see Sam, uh, kind of step in and take the, take those charges, just like you yeah see Kevin love doing all the time. Yeah. but we Lately. I haven't even seen him do that.
00:27:47
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Well, hey, it's still been a great start to the season. And, you know, one thing we didn't talk about, because there has been a couple losses here, though, you know, up until that selfless game, that was they were 15 to know. And with every win, they kept moving up in the in the history books. And I don't know if you saw, but it's pretty cool that the Cavs are only one of four teams in NBA history that has ever started off 15 to know like four teams like that's crazy, man, like the Cavs.
00:28:16
Speaker
yeah an Unbelievable start to this at 17 and three. I'll take that all day all day. I will take that The funny thing about that is you know, people ask me. Hey, you still doing the podcast? I see the cabs have been rolling. I'm like, yeah, we're still doing the podcast. Yeah, they're like, how's it going? I'm like, yeah you know, it's going great But you know, it's getting difficult to talk, you know, find things to talk about because they just keep winning like Yeah, you know there's nothing to bitch about yeah, this is probably the first episode We're not even really you know ah You know dogging them or anything like that cuz like I said they're they're bound to lose at some point and and and any given it's the NBA man So at any given night any team could beat any team like the worst teams in the league still somehow find a way to win games and sometimes they beat the better team and So it was gonna happen. um But yeah, you're right. I mean, it's it's been fun. But from a, you know, a content base, yeah, I mean, how many times can you say the Cavs are awesome, right? So, but hey, it does feel good, Alex, because it wasn't always that way, right? And the Cavs are awesome. Yeah, the Cavs are awesome, man. Go buy a $3,000 pool table to sell money. don't don't Don't tempt me.
00:29:31
Speaker
Yeah, so here here's another question for you. All right, I'll give you another one another tough one and It's I don't know what you're gonna say um so the core for playing pretty good basketball, right and They're in the history books both for the Cavaliers franchise and for you know, NBA history and all that stuff Would you go core for or would you go big three?
00:29:59
Speaker
Core four or big three? Meaning LeBron, Kyrie, and Love. That's probably an unfair question. Let me ask you this question. Let me twist that just a little bit because I think it's... I think that answer is extremely easy. I think so too. So let me do this then. All right, go ahead. So the big three gave you one championship. If the Cavs somehow won a championship this year with the core four, so it's one to one now,
00:30:31
Speaker
if And you had to pick one. If you could start over all over again and all their primes and all that, and like the timeline all over again for like next year and beyond, you got the next five years of them or something like that. Would you go core four or big three? They both had one championship.
00:30:52
Speaker
Oh, man. Knowing how the big three ends. that And not knowing how the core four will end. Maybe they have a different ending if Kyrie doesn't start demanding trades. um really That's the only reason why you had a different ending, right? Right. So if you're saying core four or big three with each having one championship. Yeah, but you get them for you get him for five years after that championship. Let's do a five year run with them. But I know that The big three never accomplished anything after that championship. but I don't know what the core four is going to do yet. So if you're saying they've already got one championship, I am definitely choosing core four. core four Because, you know, there's a lot more potential there. They're all still really young. Very young. It's tough, man, because hu it's tough because it's it's like completely wouldn't have said that the core four look, you know, assuming they had a championship, I would have
00:31:50
Speaker
for sure went for the big three because I knew they'd have a championship. you know and And if it wasn't that they had run into the Golden State Warriors in like Historic yeah fashion, right, you know, we would have had three or four rings potentially Yeah, potentially it's a tough question because it's the the dynamic of the two groups are so different Like I'm still not sold on any two of the core four is better than LeBron and Kyrie When they're when they're clicking and they're doing their thing like it's Mitchell. I'll give you Mitchell and
00:32:27
Speaker
But it's like a Mitchell Mobley. Is that better than Kyrie and LeBron and their heyday here in Cleveland? I don't know if I'm ready to say that yet. Right. But what makes it makes it a difficult question is the dynamic of we'll add in Jared Allen in there.
Cavs' Defensive Dynamics
00:32:43
Speaker
two bigs, two dynamic bigs that can do very different things and help you in different ways that really Jared Allen, there there is no Jared Allen in that big three. There is no defensive big stopper that's just going to dunk on you, block people, and just somehow throw up double doubles, basically. Tristan Thompson. On a nightly basis. You going to throw him in there? He's going to be your core four? Tristan Thompson. Ah. Core four. Core four. OG core four. Deli. OG core five. Yeah.
00:33:13
Speaker
Yeah. Deli's Deli trays. Deli's your tied Jerome. and we trade We start comparing the rosters, right? Maybe, maybe that'd be a fun episode to do. Like if the calves ever won a championship again and the core four is still here and helps deliver that, but that'd be a fun thing to do is kind of compare the rosters. Tied your own versus Deli. Yeah. Yeah. No, that that's not, that's not equivalent. I don't remember who her. Yeah.
00:33:41
Speaker
Jump JR, who's your JR? Who's your Channing Fry? Who's your RJ? Jump. It'd be fun. Tristan at that time versus, it is it just Tristan versus Tristan? I don't know. Old Tristan versus young Tristan. Yeah. yeah Old, old juiced up Tristan. Right. Right. Enhanced. Yeah. for eight Before he gets busted. yeah Yeah. Somehow Mike Brown's still there. I don't know.
00:34:05
Speaker
He's on both teams somehow. Somehow he is.
Proving Against Top Teams
00:34:09
Speaker
Nah, man, the core four, they're doing special things. um Still an incredible start to the season. Again, they just got to figure out, okay, when adversity comes your way, whether it's injuries or losses, whatever the case may be, how are you going to react? So Sunday's a big game. I'm looking forward to it.
00:34:29
Speaker
always be a little nervous going into those games against the the juggernauts of the team. But hey, the only way you're gonna actually become a juggernaut is if you start beating some of these teams, right? um on somewhat a consistent basis. So it should be a fun should be a fun game, Alex. I think that's- Yeah, it it's on and NBA TV. So I'm going to have to find some creative way to watch it. Yeah. Yeah. And it's in Cleveland. It's at home. So I mean- Well, maybe I'll just go to it then. I was just going to say, just you didn't buy that $3,000 pool table. So I know you got some extra change in the wallet. Pool table or go to the game. It's tough. You could probably spend $3,000 at the Cavs game on seats.
00:35:09
Speaker
get really good seats. I don't know. I was looking at seats and tickets are crazy expensive right now because they were on that epic run. Tickets went through the roof. Like even nosebleeds were much more than I was used to seeing. Yeah. Yeah. So it makes sense. Taking a family of four is just like, wow, crazy expensive. Four, four, for four, $500 probably. $40, you know, $30, $40 parking. Yep. Get some food and drinks. Yeah, exactly.
00:35:38
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. Go see a charge game instead. I was telling you, I was looking up prices for that. We can live like kings, Alex, because for $39, we can basically have courtside seats, get all we can eat, hot dogs, popcorn, nachos, pop.
00:35:53
Speaker
Thirty-nine dollars. Thirty-nine dollars. Let's do it. Pick a day. Pick a day. just need it We need to get to a charge game for sure. I think that'd be really fun. That'd be fun. Parking's got to be cheaper. Get to see, uh, Nance. Pete Nance. Yeah. Travers when he's playing there. J.T. Thor. you know Whenever they're not called up to the cash. Thor played really well. he was he was He played in either that Pelicans game or that Raptors game. I can't remember now. but
00:36:24
Speaker
Yeah, they threw a few minutes. Yeah, they threw a man in one of those games. I forget which one too. It was the Pelicans game. He went four for four from the field, two for two from three.
00:36:36
Speaker
A block, two steals, two rebounds, only 12 minutes. Yeah. What I like about him is he doesn't, he doesn't think he just does. You know what I mean? He just, he just reacts. The ball gets thrown to him. He he reacts. He's doing something with it. And yeah, I remember, I mean, the Cavs were having a blast this game because this game was over.
00:36:55
Speaker
um by the fourth quarter basically and yeah Thor Thor came in and Yeah, had some fun out there for sure. Travers played 30 minutes this game only did four points You didn't do nothing crazy, but that just goes to show like Craig Porter jr. Travers both played 30 plus minutes that game So it wasn't it wasn't much of a game. Well, we only played 18 minutes It'd be cool to have a Cavs jersey that says Thor on the back. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe one of the new city additions. There you go. What do you think about those?
00:37:29
Speaker
They're okay. I don't know. there it's so I don't know. Anything outside of like the normal calves colors are always hard for me to appreciate, I guess. um I know you're more of a Jersey guy and and all that stuff than I am, but if it's like I want to see wine and gold or I want to see old like 80s or 90s, calves colors. And that's, that's all I need. I'm, I'm simple. I don't need blue. I don't need looking like, like it's, uh, like, uh, what was it? North Carolina, like Tar Heels colors out there. Exactly. That's a buddy texted me before I had seen him, a buddy texted me a picture of him when like the press release first came out.
00:38:08
Speaker
And I was like, are those Tar Heel, North Carolina Tar Heel jerseys? I was like, I didn't, I didn't like them. And he, he replied that he liked them. He said that the blue reminded him of the, the nineties orange and blue cash jerseys. And I was like, nah, it's a totally different blue. That's yeah. No, no. Yeah. It was a dark blue. This is more of like a powder blue, a baby blue. Yeah. Look, they've, you know, I didn't like them at first. Now they're kind of growing on me. I do kind of like them. Yeah.
00:38:37
Speaker
I wouldn't mind a Ty Jerome city edition blue jersey. That's definitely like very specific to this era, I feel. Yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah, it's cool. I mean, I get why teams do it. And there's plenty of people that love that stuff. So.
00:38:55
Speaker
I don't know. I'm just, the Thai sanity Jersey, Thai sanity. He is a unrestricted free agent after this year, Alex. So, um, that's the only bad thing he's going to draw. He's going to draw some attention and, uh, the calves are going to potentially have to get creative. They want to hold on to him beyond this season. I really don't know a whole lot about him, how old he is. Um, how long he's been in the league.
00:39:24
Speaker
I read that up until this point. He's basically only got rookie and and minimum contracts. So, you know, he's playing the way he's playing. He's he's going to get a payday from somebody just the way it works. But I think he's relatively young. Probably mid 20s is my guess. Looks like 27 years old. So he's but boy he fits the timeline along with the rest of the team, doesn't he? Very well. It's amazing how many guys do on this team, to be honest with you.
00:39:54
Speaker
Like I think the Cavs did a really good job with that. um Drafted by the Sixers in the first round, 24th overall pick of the 2019 draft.
Ty Jerome's Journey
00:40:10
Speaker
Crazy. Yeah. Yeah. That's our somewhere. Had a couple of seasons with Oklahoma City, then had the one season with Golden State, then came to Cleveland and played two games in 2023. It's a little more than Andrew Bogut. Bogut played like two minutes. Remember that? Yeah. 20 seconds. Yeah. Checked in. Exactly. So. That was it. Yep.
00:40:32
Speaker
It's crazy too because I think I read I think I heard I want the recent games are talking about him that he he only had like Two or three 20-point games in his career Before he became a Cavalier and he's already had like five or six this year so far so Good for him, man. Are you glad to have him on our team for sure? So so funny He makes me laugh so hard when he's just going off. It's like, where did this little guy come from that he's probably sleeping on his buddy's couch? It's like awesome. I love it. Dylan Windler, he's sleeping at Windler's.
00:41:11
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, that was mean. That was. I hope you're good, Dylan, whatever you are. I don't even know if he's still in the league, to be honest with you. Oh, man. I don't really pull that out of nowhere. Dylan Windler. Dude, what happened to him? Last I saw, it was it was New York. But that was like last year. and There's no way he's stuck, especially. Maybe he's playing for like their G-League team. or Atlanta. Atlanta. Hawks? What? ah he He must be out of the league. That was last season.
00:41:42
Speaker
Yeah. He played with the Hawks last season. I don't see him on a roster now. Yeah.
Reflecting on Dylan Windler
00:41:47
Speaker
Boy, that's, that's depressing because we held on to him for three seasons hoping he would become that sharp shooting three point ace, ace up our sleeve. And it just never happened. He'd never. Four second round picks for that guy, Alex. I still remember his, uh, his golf highlights though, the draft night that they shot.
00:42:06
Speaker
I don't know if you remember that. This showed highlights of him just hitting balls at a driving range or something like that. I don't know. I remember that. Maybe he'll join GR swish. There you go. There you go. All right, Alex, we're rambling. So are we let's let's go ahead and wrap up this episode of the CAS Pick and Roll Podcast. I want to thank the CAS fans as always for tuning in and listening. And Alex, you know what to do.
00:42:31
Speaker
Follow us on Twitter, at Caspicknroll. Shoot us an email, caspicknroll at gmail dot.com. Follow us on Facebook, Instagram, Tumblr, YouTube, wherever you're listening, watching. Click like, subscribe, leave us a rating or review. We'd appreciate it. Alright, Cas fans, there it is. We'll talk to you again soon. Peace out, Cas fans.