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Episode 155: Garland Out 4-5 Months
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Alex and Corey give their reactions to Darius Garland's surgery on his big toe that will sideline him for 4-5 months and ultimately the start of next season. We discuss how this increases the criticalness of signing Ty Jerome this offseason. We also debate other hypothetical trade scenarios even with the Cavs limited salary options. We also give our thoughts on an entertaining NBA Finals so far between the Indianan Pacers and the Oklahoma City Thunder.
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Welcome and Podcast Introduction
Reflections on Cavs' Playoff Exit
00:00:17
Speaker
Hey Cavs welcome to another episode of the Cavs Pick and Roll podcast, the podcast for diehard Cavs fans. I am Corey, and as always, joined by Alex.
00:00:30
Speaker
How doing, Alex? Hey, Corey, I'm doing all right. How are you? Well, I'm sitting here reflecting, reflecting,
NBA Finals & Summer Activities
00:00:40
Speaker
right? it's It's crazy. It's already been about a month since the Cavs, once again, unfortunately, were sent home early in the playoffs.
00:00:49
Speaker
And there's a lot I want to kind of get into as I've continued to watch the NBA playoffs. And now that we're at the point of the NBA finals. Game three is actually going on right now.
00:01:00
Speaker
As we're recording, it's halftime um between the Indiana Pacers and the Oklahoma Thunder. But before we get into all of that, I guess I'll ask this. what Once the Cavs season ends, it kind of frees up some time and schedules change, school's done.
00:01:18
Speaker
like Now that we're like on summer break and stuff, what are you you've been doing anything or taking advantage keeping busy? or What have you been up to? Um, not a whole lot. You know, summer starts. Kids are out of school.
00:01:32
Speaker
So doing stuff. yeah Yard work. Got my son a table tennis for his birthday. So we've got a ping pong table. Oh, yeah. Having some family tournaments.
00:01:43
Speaker
Yeah. I got to get the guitars back out there. So I didn't even notice that. Somebody are playing guitar. Two or three back there. ah Two. So I got one Fender Strat and then ah like a standard, classic standard.
00:01:58
Speaker
Very cool. Very cool. Yeah, i've I've been just trying to take advantage of it finally being nice out because up until like two weeks ago, it was still like jacket weather, at least in the mornings.
00:02:10
Speaker
And like even around Memorial Day weekend, it was still not quite super warm yet. So I've been i' just been trying to take advantage, going outside every day and Yeah.
00:02:21
Speaker
Doing, doing the yard work, but also trying to fit some fun stuff in there too. My youngest is always down for, for whatever. She's my little buddy. Hey, you want to go on a bike ride? Sure. Let's go. You want to go on a walk? Sure. Let's go. You want to go somewhere and to a park and shoot some hoops?
00:02:35
Speaker
Sure. Let's go. know what I mean? So trying to take advantage of that. It was a long winter. Um, so just trying to enjoy, enjoy the weather a bit.
Karate Kid Movie Review
00:02:44
Speaker
Um, but I have also, like I said, been watching, watching the playoffs,
00:02:48
Speaker
oh Oh, we did go see the new Karate Kid movie. Absolutely awesome. I loved it. Yeah, you were telling me about that. Yeah, like like I loved it. Like growing up, like I watched the first movie all the time and then the sequels were just OK. Right. But Cobra Kai, really good show.
00:03:07
Speaker
you know, I've been watching that. But the new movie doesn't really reference Cobra Kai at all. Yeah. But it's almost like it's a separate thing that kind of picks up.
00:03:19
Speaker
Later on, but it does follow the whole Mr. Miyagi, Daniel son thing, but adds, you know, Jackie Chan and and a new kid. But right it captures that early 90s vibe and great story, great acting.
00:03:35
Speaker
Highly recommend.
Pacers' Playoff Performance
00:03:36
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, definitely. That's kind of what I've been doing too, is is kind of binge watching some shows. And one that i I started watching, or just finished actually, um this week is is Prison Break.
00:03:48
Speaker
I never watched it. I never watched it. I'm always the guy that like watches this series like a real popular series like a decade or more after it comes out. Yeah, man, i used to, I mean, I watched that back when you know you had to wait And watch one episode a week.
00:04:04
Speaker
Yeah. that That show was awesome. Yeah. when Once I looked it up, I was surprised at how old it was. And i come to find out they even made a video game for it as well, like on the PS3 and stuff like that.
00:04:16
Speaker
Might see if I could pick that up for cheap or something. But yeah, that that that was a fun watch. And other than that, yeah, just been watching the NBA finals. And Alex, I, you know, I w I was kind of not really expecting to continue to be as invested as I have been. Cause typically when the calves are, are no longer playing, it's like, ah, you know, this sucks watching other teams progress and,
00:04:40
Speaker
Man, it's kind of it's been pretty enjoyable watching the
Cavs' Hypothetical Playoff Analysis
00:04:43
Speaker
finals. The Knicks Pacers series was was a war. um Not that I'm rooting for them, but the Pacers, it's pretty impressive of what they've been able to accomplish.
00:04:54
Speaker
The amount of comeback victories it's, it's, it's hard to root against them. I'm not rooting for them, but it's hard to root against them. And now that the finals are starting, it's been a back and forth.
00:05:08
Speaker
Um, it's a one, one series. This game we're in right now is, is back and forth. The Oklahoma thunder jumped out early. Pacers battled back, took the lead at halftime. And it's just it's very interesting because as I'm watching these games, Alex, I'm almost kind of comparing to the Cavs.
00:05:26
Speaker
And like, how would the Cavs be reacting in these scenarios right now? Because as you can imagine, the level of intensity is is much higher than a Miami Heat series. it's much higher than even what the Cavs Pacers series was.
00:05:39
Speaker
And I'm sitting there analyzing, thinking, can, can the Cavs handle, you know, a situation like this? Yeah. Yeah, no, I do the same thing. And, uh, you know, in, in those situations, well, I mean, the Cavs couldn't make a shot. They couldn't get the ball up the court. Like I'm still a little peed off about it. Right. But, uh, at the same time, you know, I, i have mixed feelings about it because,
00:06:03
Speaker
You know, last season, the Cavs lost to the Celtics. Celtics ended up winning it all. They they were the best team. So, yeah you know, it doesn't feel as bad when you lose to the the team that ends up winning it all and they're the best team.
Pacers' Finals Journey
00:06:14
Speaker
So watching. So I did kind of watch the Pacers versus the Knicks. And yeah, it was it was a war. But I also couldn't help but think that and if the Cavs had just gotten past the Pacers, they would have dismantled the Knicks.
00:06:26
Speaker
You know, I don't know how they would have done against OKC, but I feel like they would have gotten this far. had they not just totally screwed the pooch against the Pacers. But, you know, the Pacers are are playing OKC really well, possibly better than the Cavs. So it's tough to say.
00:06:46
Speaker
But, you know, it doesn't make me feel as bad that, you know, the Cavs possibly losing to the best team. Only one team can win it all every season. Sure. and and and and And I'm with you with all that. The difference, I think, from last year to this year,
00:06:59
Speaker
It's like the Celtics, the Knicks. There's just certain teams that it's like, no, I don't want to see them have any sort of flowers in any way. Right. So when the Celtics won it all last year, i was like, well, this sucks because we lost to the Celtics.
00:07:15
Speaker
I hate the Celtics. yeah I don't want to see them win to where this year, if the Pacers somehow win it all, I don't think I'll be as upset as last year when the Celtics won it all.
00:07:26
Speaker
Because again, it's kind of a, you know, they're, they're a small market mid market team that kind of just came out of nowhere and watching them play their style of basketball.
00:07:38
Speaker
um It's, it's, they play the right way and it's, it's kind of, they've been on an inspiring run as a result.
Emerging NBA Talent Discussion
00:07:46
Speaker
and And another a crazy thing, when I look at their roster,
00:07:51
Speaker
you know Outside of ah i've SGA, out in OKC, I don't think there's a top 10 player in this NBA Finals playing right now, which is kind of crazy.
00:08:03
Speaker
And I know Halliburton is is climbing up the charts with all of his game winners and stuff, but if you... Honestly, before the start of the playoffs, said, name your top 10, even your top 15, maybe even top 20.
00:08:15
Speaker
Would anybody on that Pacers team, what would would they be in that top 20? Maybe at the fringe. And look what they're doing. Look at the success they're having. And pass past maybe three players, past Miles Turner, Halliburton, and Siakam, most NBA fans, unless you're a fan of the Pacers, wouldn't be able to name any of their players on that roster right yeah Well, yeah, I mean, it's ah it's a good team and it's it's a well-coached team. I mean, Rick Carlisle is a great coach.
00:08:46
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. yeah He always looks like he's playing chess over there, doesn't he? He's just, he's not very vocal. He's just always thinking. He's just, he's he's just like, he's always playing chess in his head. It seems, you know, every time I see him, I think he looks like a old Jim Carrey. He looks like a Dr. Robotnik or yeah, that's, that's what he looks like. just doctor Dr. Eggman. Yeah. He just needs a stash. He looks, he's a total dead ringer for Jim Carrey, but yeah, yeah, no, I agree with you. I agree with everything you said. Like,
00:09:16
Speaker
Small market team kind of came out of nowhere. Not like any mega superstar on that team. They're just playing the right way. Aggressive, fast. Great defense.
00:09:27
Speaker
Fun to watch. I mean, yeah, it's it's hard not to like them. You know, when I hear Halliburton talk in the postgame ah press conferences, it's just seems like a genuine dude.
00:09:39
Speaker
he's got some guys He's got some swag during the game. He's got some swag. Yeah, yeah. I i didn't like the whole big balls thing or the choke thing. It's like, dude, we're trying to rip off Grand Hill. He seems pretty humble, though. Yeah, yeah. yeah in and and you know there's just There's no drama there.
00:09:55
Speaker
And then on the other side, Alex, with OKC, you know, they're just a fire. They're just they just they just score. They just score the basketball. But again, outside of Chet, outside of ah SGA, outside of maybe Jalen Williams, you know, again, not a lot of people on that roster that that a lot of fans would know outside of that market. So it's an interesting NBA finals because you have two smaller market teams there.
00:10:25
Speaker
You don't have the LeBrons. You don't have the Stephs. You don't have that generation. You don't have Giannis. You don't have that generation. It's kind of the new generation.
Darius Garland's Injury Impact
00:10:34
Speaker
And it is kind of cool that it's going to be first-time champion either of these franchise histories for whoever wins as well.
00:10:44
Speaker
So... it's it's been It's been fun to watch. and And like I said, I wasn't planning on watching as much as I i have been, but I have. I'm a basketball junkie. I can't help it, Alex. Yeah, yeah. I really haven't been watching too much of the finals yet.
00:11:00
Speaker
I've just been kind of checking the score, seeing who won, but haven't really... i don't know. after After the Pacers beat the Knicks... I was like, damn the Cavs could have done that.
00:11:12
Speaker
i just kind of checked out a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, you know, hopefully the Cavs are watching um and analyzing as well. I'm sure they are, but not just the the coaching staff. I'm talking the players as well, because could the Cavs be there right now?
00:11:32
Speaker
Sure. A couple of things went their way, but, you know, woulda, coulda, shoulda. But let's just play pretend for a minute again. Would they have the mental toughness? the physical toughness to play at this level right now.
00:11:45
Speaker
And until they do that, it's always going to be a question mark. And it stings that this is the third year in a row that the Cavs had all the potential in the world, but wasn't able to get to this level.
00:11:59
Speaker
And naturally that's going to lead to a lot of off season discussions ah from fans and on forums, on radio shows, national media, so on and so forth, about whether you know they should run it back or blow it up. right But one thing that really the biggest piece of Cavs news that has come out since the end of the season, Alex, is Darius Garland just went just had surgery on his big toe, right?
00:12:29
Speaker
That now puts him out for four or five months and ultimately out for the start of the season next year. So that's an interesting thing to talk about, Alex, because first and foremost, it actually kind of solidifies how much pain he truly was in during that series.
00:12:47
Speaker
Right. um And he tried to play and he and he did play. He missed, I think, only a game. He missed like what, two games, I think. ah but he wasn't 100%. But now, too, does that put more urgency around potentially what the Cavs need to do this offseason because now they don't have their starting all-star point guard at the start of next season?
00:13:09
Speaker
Yeah, that's a good question. ah Yeah, that's what i did that's what I heard out four to five months um Ty Jerome.
Cavs Trade Debates
00:13:20
Speaker
Ty Jerome's a free agent. I know. We got to hold on to him. and We got to. We need Ty Jerome. And here's the thing. Yeah, to me, I mean, Ty Jerome was always, in my opinion, at least going to be the number one priority this offseason.
00:13:35
Speaker
And it's it's very true with the way he played this year. It's very possible he is now out of our range as far as being able to afford him. It sounds like he wants to be here. It sounds like the Cavs want him back. And minus the playoffs against the Pacers, he had a hell of a season, right?
00:13:54
Speaker
With Darius Garland not starting at the start of the season, i think it's crucial now that you find a way to bring back Jerome. But at the same time, the Cavs need to also prepare for that just not working out for whatever reason.
00:14:09
Speaker
And they need to be also keeping their their eyes open for other areas potentially as well. um The problem is, Alex, is they don't have a lot of money to spend. All they basically can do is go and throw a minimum contract out to some veteran that, you know, hopefully still has something left in the tank and wants to play for, you know, a championship contender team.
00:14:31
Speaker
Yeah. With being over the second apron, they're very limited. They could trade, you you know, they could do a one for one player trade you They're going to have to shed some salary to get back under.
00:14:46
Speaker
yeah That's really their only options. Right. And this is where I wanted to spend a minute or two and get your opinion on you know, ah another option. and And we've always said this. Neither of us will sit here and pretend like we understand everything in the salary and all that kind of stuff.
00:15:05
Speaker
But, you know, this offseason so far, very young, a lot of fluff kind of BS articles out there right now. But it feels like last season's offseason, meaning the two names you hear come up for the Cavs the most in trade rumors is Darius Garland and Jared Allen.
00:15:27
Speaker
So, and you know, I know he just went under surgery, but another option is still the possibility of listening for offers for Darius Garland.
00:15:38
Speaker
Right. Which then maybe open and, and gets you a body or two in return and maybe opens up the possibility of being able to, you know, more comfortably sign Jerome and bring in someone else that can also help the roster somewhere else.
00:15:55
Speaker
Um, Jared Allen, I think, is still $20 million a year for his production. i just I don't see you getting back better value than that. But Alex, if if you were to wear the GM hat right now, kind of where are you at?
00:16:09
Speaker
are Are you running this thing back? Are you considering all options, including someone like a Darius Garland who, out of the folks that they probably would move, even though he just had surgery, would probably get you back the biggest return?
00:16:24
Speaker
I mean, absolutely. I'm considering all options, I think. That's the first time I feel like I've heard you say that in a long time. Yeah, you know, I was always, let's keep the core together. And I still feel like, let's keep the core together.
00:16:35
Speaker
But but i don't I also don't think anyone is untouchable.
Future Strategies for the Cavs
00:16:40
Speaker
I mean, especially when it happened after this season with Luka. I mean, you had one of the best players in the league get traded.
00:16:48
Speaker
did you, did you see, did you see all his workout? so No videos. Is there some work? He's like, he's like, hes yeah he's like your size now. He just miraculously shed like 35 pounds somehow.
00:17:00
Speaker
And he just looks like a beast. He's got a chip on his shoulder now after that's good you know Dallas talked all that smack about him being overweight. Yeah. Yeah. But no, that's seriously though. Eating cheeseburgers and drinking beers. and Yeah. that is I'm not surprised. I always love, by the way, real quick, i always love when that stuff comes up and then the Nuggets fans just like the troll fans.
00:17:22
Speaker
By showing Jokic with no shirt on drinking beers and eating food and then is like a three time MVP. And you know what mean? Like the face of the NBA.
00:17:32
Speaker
So, yeah but yeah. um But no, seriously, I think that's the first time I totally wasn't expecting to hear you to hear you say that. Um, and that's where I think again, once you're at year three, like this was a very good basketball team, right? They won 60 plus games dominated all year. Number one seed, but it's the third year in a row where you come up short and you could say, yeah, it's bad luck because of injuries. Right.
00:17:59
Speaker
But at some point, when do you shake things up? And sometimes that's what ultimately gets you over over the hump, right? That Celtics team that won it last year, they had that core together for a while and then they made some changes, right? They move out Marcus Smart.
00:18:15
Speaker
They bring in um al Horford and Derek White and they and they do some Porzingis. And what what happens? They finally get over the top, even though they really were a title contender for three, four years in a row.
00:18:27
Speaker
Are the Cavs at that same place right now? And is it time to to to swing for the fences in a different direction? it's it's It's hard, man. it's it's Some days, Alex, I'm like, nope, nope, run it back.
00:18:41
Speaker
And other days, I'm like, yeah, you got to make a change. I just don't know what what that change is, you know? Is there anything out there that would entice you, like realistically, that would entice you to be like, yeah, definitely. i'm i'm making I'm making Garland Allen trade for player right now.
00:19:04
Speaker
Oh, man, that's tough. Rumor is Kevin Durant's looking for a new home. Giannis, potentially. i want I don't know if I want old KD. I don't want KD.
00:19:14
Speaker
No, no. No KD. What about Giannis? Would you entertain it for Giannis? Yeah, iji and I'd be in the Giannis camp. i I think that would be a ah solid pickup. Definitely an improvement over Jared Allen.
00:19:26
Speaker
Giannis would cost us a lot. Like i was saying, to even make a trade like that, we'd have to get under the second apron, which would mean shedding at least $12 million in salary. So, I mean, that means cutting, you know,
00:19:42
Speaker
ah Okoro and Dean Wade, like shedding both those salaries just to be able to make the trade of Allen and Garland for Giannis.
00:19:53
Speaker
So, but I think it's really reaching. It is. It is really reaching. Plus, do I, do I think the bucks do that? i don't, I don't see it. No, probably wouldn't be for Garland or Allen. They, they would want Mobley. Mobley would be who they would be interested in.
00:20:08
Speaker
And, um, local radio stations have already played that hypothetical and, you know done the back and forth on why they would or wouldn't do that. Do you you give up Mobley
Pressure on Cavs' Core Group
00:20:18
Speaker
for Giannis, Corey?
00:20:23
Speaker
Defensive player of the year? Maybe. Maybe. i a i Maybe. i Maybe I would. um i might. you know it would shorten your window, right?
00:20:34
Speaker
But at the same time, this core has already had three years together. You're not getting three more years with this core. You're not going to have a six-year run of falling short. Giannis has a ring. He's in his prime.
00:20:45
Speaker
he you know You might only have a two-year, three-year window if you did that with Giannis and Mitchell and before those guys want to do one last hurrah somewhere else on the back end of 35, right?
00:20:58
Speaker
But anything's out on the table right now. i feel like if they do run it back one more a year, certainly next year is the last year with the core four, right? You can't continue to do this, right? So to me, it also puts an immense amount of pressure on this team to deliver next year.
00:21:18
Speaker
Otherwise, there's it's it's not a should there be a shakeup, there there there will be a shakeup. It's just whether or not the Cavs want to do that shakeup sooner or not.
Cavs Trade Rumors
00:21:27
Speaker
And remember Alex, like when that Donovan Mitchell trade went down a couple of years ago,
00:21:33
Speaker
There was nothing. The Cavs, like it was New York. And it's certainly like the Cavs weren't even ah in the discussions of that. And then it just happened. So we know this team is capable with the transactions they've made since we started doing this podcast.
00:21:50
Speaker
They're very capable of making trades um that come out of the blue and on most most occasions winning those trades as far as getting the better talent back. So even though they're so handcuffed right now, there's still this this little part of me that's like, well what if?
00:22:06
Speaker
What if they do something crazy? um So as fun as it is to be watching the finals, I want it to be done so we can get to the draft and so we can get to the transaction part of the offseason so that we can see Alex, what other teams do around the league, and ultimately to see if the Cavs do anything.
00:22:26
Speaker
I mean, it's absolutely possible. They could go for broke. They could trade Mobley, make Luke Travers that new guy at the... No.
00:22:38
Speaker
That's us going too far. All right. ah Luke Travers. Can't even get a roster spot. Yeah. Well, it's tough team to get a roster spot on right now. It is It is. We got a stacked team. where really We were really deep.
00:22:50
Speaker
Yeah, we we really were. And again, when I... when i And I'm not taking away for because some of these players, I mean, they're coming in and they're they're definitely contributing for both OKC and the Pacers. But i'm again, I'm going down their roster and I'm like...
00:23:05
Speaker
like DeAndre Hunter is better than this guy. ty Jerome is better than this guy. Like um Max Struess is better than this guy. Like I'm going down. i'm like, ah, it's, it's, it's hard to watch, but what they have that we don't again is something that, you know, has to either be built into you. You don't just learn mental toughness in the off season. You either have it or you don't.
00:23:27
Speaker
And the Pacers have some guys that have that. OKC has some guys that have that. And that's really what this Cavs team is is missing, I think. We've talked about that before.
00:23:39
Speaker
um So Darius Garland out for four to five months. It might scare off some teams, Alex, but I do still think teams will ultimately have interest in him. um Again, a lot of fluff BS articles, but I have seen teams like Minnesota and Sacramento ah potentially being interested in him.
Challenges of a Small Backcourt
00:24:02
Speaker
i think I was telling you at work one day, if he did get moved, yeah, send him out West. Send him out West. Don't help some team in the East. I don't want to face him in the second round of the playoffs somewhere. yeah deal with that You know what I mean? Send him out West where we're going to see him once, twice a year.
00:24:16
Speaker
and And yeah, that's that's fine. um but It'll be interesting to see what happens. um Wendy seemed to think that there's absolutely no chance now that he gets traded, now that he had surgery.
00:24:30
Speaker
But I still feel like there'll be teams that'll be willing to line up for a young all-star point guard and take that chance.
00:24:40
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. It reminds me of trading Kyrie all over again. Like, I don't know. Yeah. But at the same time though, different scenario because it is different, but at the same time, it's, it's your all-star point guard possible future.
00:24:57
Speaker
ah Like you said, trey if you're going to trade them, shoot them out, out West, you know, we don't want them to end up with Boston or something. yeah That would be a nightmare. Yeah. Yeah. But at the same time, I think you're going to get a pretty significant player but back if they were to move someone like him. or at least Or at least you're going to get some pieces back that might ultimately be a better fit.
00:25:18
Speaker
Because you know another issue that doesn't go away when they run it back is the Cavs still have one of the smallest backcourts in the NBA.
Cavs' Toughness for Playoff Success
00:25:27
Speaker
And another thing, as I'm watching this Pacers and Oklahoma um series,
00:25:33
Speaker
is neither one of them have a traditional point guard. It's Halliburton bringing up the ball or it's SGA bringing up the ball. And they're not, they're not traditional point guards. You know what i mean? Like a Darius Garland is, or a Kyrie Irving was, or so on and so forth.
00:25:48
Speaker
And I'm also thinking like if we were playing them right now, Darius Garland wouldn't be guarding Halliburton. He'd probably be guarding Nembhard. I don't know who he'd be guarding on OKC, which means does Donovan Mitchell have to guard, you know, SGA or Halliburton? Like the other kind of positive spin I could put on it potentially if they did move someone like Garland is, does that allow you to not have two ball dominant backcourt players and also allows you to get a more defensive minded or some more size at whoever that replacement would be, or maybe just a better fit all around to guard the Halliburtons, the SGA's of, of the, of the league when you're matched up with them in a playoff series. Like have to start thinking about that level because
00:26:34
Speaker
Garland's always going to be a liability defensively and Mitchell will be too, to an extent because yes I don't know. I don't know. right I feel like we do this every year. Like we do. Who do we, who do we match up against and and lose two and struggle against, you know, was Tatum. All right. We need that player that can match up against Tatum.
00:26:52
Speaker
Ooh, Deandre Hunter. He's got the size. He can match up against Tatum, but we didn't run into Tatum. We ran into, you know, Halliburton and, and, and Siakam Pascal and it's like all right now we're game planning for these guys it's like yeah you really can't do that and I don't know it's it's tough it's it's very tough you know it was also it was also our first season with Kenny Atkinson as coach and it was you know I'm not saying this is an excuse but I think that it was a learning experience for this uh
00:27:27
Speaker
These coaches as well for the Cavs.
Anticipation for Next Season
00:27:30
Speaker
So I expect I definitely expect big things next season, whether it's running it back or adding some peace. You know, I don't think Kenny had much say at all in in this team that he coached this season. But next season he will.
00:27:46
Speaker
So we'll see, you know, what what pieces move there. Yeah, and even though I'm just creating some banter for the sake of offseason banter, I'm going to flip flop in my mind probably all summer long on what they should do.
00:28:01
Speaker
But it's certainly not a scenario where I'll be dissatisfied if they run it back next year. right Because they were a very good ball club. um And I always know that small tweaks can be made throughout the season as well. right um You mentioned Okoro. You mentioned Dean Wade. There's other guys that are on this roster that certainly...
00:28:23
Speaker
you know aren't untouchable. Max Strews, like there's guys, there's smaller things that could be, that could happen, right? You move out in a Kuro, you bring somebody else in or Dean Wade or Max Strews or some of these other guys, you know, some of our team has interest in and, you know, they, they've, they've all at different times kind of serve their purposes, but sometimes it's just about fit.
00:28:46
Speaker
Yeah. Right. And if you can get a better fit of a player in, it's like, yeah, we're, we're, we're, yeah, Dean, Dean Wade, thank you. We're, we're going to move you now. You know what i mean? Like that's, that's just, what's going to happen. So, but I also know that this team should be very competitive next year with running it back as is as
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00:29:04
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well.
00:29:04
Speaker
My only biggest concern, again, is you know yeah if they don't lock in Jerome and they go out and get some veteran minimum contract point card and it's that person and Craig Porter Jr. to start your season, that is going to put some more pressure and some more strain on Donovan Mitchell as well, which is not how you want to start the regular season. right so I'll feel a lot better if they can if they can lock up Jerome with with the ad just running it back as is too.
00:29:34
Speaker
Yeah. Well, Garland out four to five months of that, that puts them at a return at what September, October. Yeah. Yeah. They already said he's, he's basically going to miss the start of the season and that timeline can change. Right.
00:29:49
Speaker
and you just don't want to be in a scenario where, yeah, you're, you're, you're, you're for, you're rushing him back early because, because you don't have a true point guard out there and you're not, you're not starting off the season like you want to. Right.
00:30:01
Speaker
Um, So it'll be interesting to see, you know, what happens there. But Ty Jerome just got a little bit more leverage. That's for sure. And kind of kind of playing hardball with with. ah Well, why should I take that, you know, real big hometown discount when you don't even have a starting point guard right now?
00:30:18
Speaker
Right. At least if I'm his man, it if I'm his agent. Why not play that card? It's not going to get much since we're under the second apron. I know. Not much from the Cavs, at least not yet until the Cavs make a
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move.
00:30:32
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Right, right. Garland for two first round picks. Yep. Hand the keys to tie. Hand the city to tie. There you go. The future. The future.
00:30:44
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One of the core now. Yeah. Man, um well I just checked the score. It's like the end of the third quarter and this game still going back and forth. Oklahoma is up one against the Pacers. That's going to be a good one to watch here. Maybe yeah as we wrap up here, Alex, watch the fourth quarter, watch the end of that game.
00:31:03
Speaker
Anything else you want to talk about Cavs-wise, Alex, or just NBA in general?
00:31:09
Speaker
Oh, I can't really think of anything else.
00:31:14
Speaker
Not watching no old Cavs clips on YouTube or anything like that? You're not at that point? I watched a couple ah YouTube clips of... ah I watched the road The Last Road Back.
00:31:27
Speaker
I was going to ask you about that. i can't really remember exactly what it was about. Okay. Well, it was, I know it was about the end of the season basically. And I, I never watched it because I just, it was just, it wasn't going to be okay, great. I don't want to see yeah that. it was It was them going into the playoffs.
00:31:43
Speaker
Okay. Okay. So it wasn't even them actually being after eliminated and stuff. Yeah, we really didn't get into much of those episodes this year. well have to do better at that next year, um next season or whatever, because usually those are really fun to watch and and kind of talk about.
00:32:00
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But um yeah, I'm not at that point yet where I'm just YouTube clipping it up yet. Maybe when the season's done, we get a little further further into the summer, I'll be doing that. I was looking into when the next season of the starting five will be out and it's not going to out till later this season, but two of the players that they follow are in the finals right now, Halliburton and SGA. So should make for an interesting season at least.
00:32:22
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. That would be cool. I do need to check that out. So I remember you talking about that a while back calls on it on Netflix, I think on Netflix called starting five, to starting five, starting five. So they follow five NBA players and it's kind of like, I can never remember the name of that NFL show, but.
00:32:38
Speaker
Basically, they follow him throughout the season. It's all kinds of behind the scenes. Yeah, hard knocks, like hard knocks. Hard knocks, yeah, yeah. But just like individual players, basically, instead of a full team. No Tristan Thompson on there, huh? That's that's that's interesting.
00:32:54
Speaker
All right, Alex, let's let's wrap this one up. um want to thank the Cavs fans, as always, for tuning in and listening. And Alex, let them know they can follow us and connect with us. Follow us on Twitter at Cavs Pick and Roll.
00:33:08
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00:33:22
Speaker
Peace out, Cavs fans.