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Odc. 58 – Ten o Vibe codingu
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W najnowszym odcinku "Wycinków z przyszłości" podejmujemy temat vibe codingu - zjawiska, które wywołuje coraz więcej dyskusji w świecie IT. Frota, zafascynowana tematem m.in. po wizycie na evencie Cursora, przekonuje sceptyczną Monikę, że warto zbadać je bliżej. Dlaczego?
Vibe coding to podejście do programowania, w którym zamiast pisać kod samodzielnie, prowadzimy konwersację z AI, opisując czego potrzebujemy - a sztuczna inteligencja generuje odpowiedni kod. Termin ukuł Andrej Karpathy, współzałożyciel OpenAI, mówiąc o "oddaniu się vibe'owi i zapomnieniu, że kod w ogóle istnieje". To trochę jak rozmowa z ziomkiem-programistą, któremu mówimy: "zrób mi stronę z listą moich ulubionych filmów, niech będzie niebieska" - a on wykonuje całą techniczną pracę za nas.
Spieramy się, czy vibe coding to tylko kolejne narzędzie w arsenale programistów, czy może głębsza zmiana paradygmatu. Frota, która sama stworzyła prostą aplikację do generowania kart tarota mimo braku umiejętności programowania, widzi w tym zjawisku teoretyczny potencjał do demokratyzacji tworzenia oprogramowania. Monika jest bardziej sceptyczna, rozróżniając dwa podejścia: nieświadome "kodowanie na czuja" przez laików oraz świadome wykorzystywanie AI jako wsparcia przez doświadczonych programistów.
Zgadzamy się, że vibe coding przynosi wymierne korzyści: według badań Microsoftu, GitHuba i University of Victoria, programiści wykorzystujący takie narzędzia odczuwają większą radość tworzenia i 96% z nich zauważa wzrost produktywności. Eliminacja żmudnych, powtarzalnych zadań (tzw. "plumbing") pozwala skupić się na kreatywnych aspektach programowania.
Jednocześnie pojawiają się obawy dotyczące bezpieczeństwa i jakości kodu generowanego przez AI. Przykład aplikacji Tea App o bezpieczeństwie kobiet, która pominęła tradycyjne bramki bezpieczeństwa, pokazuje potencjalne zagrożenia. Nic więc dziwnego, że przewidujemy wzrost ekspertów i ekspertek od cyber sec.
Szczególnie obiecujące zastosowania vibe codingu widzimy w tworzeniu hiperpersonalizowanego oprogramowania, "jednorazowych" aplikacji do konkretnych zadań oraz w dziedzinach takich jak dziennikarstwo, gdzie mogłoby pomóc w szybkim tworzeniu narzędzi do analizy danych czy wizualizacji.
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Introduction to the Podcast
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Monika Borycka
Hello, welcome to the podcast of the future, and welcome to the Jonna Frota-Kurkowska and
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Monika real
Monika Borycka, czyli Trendrunner.
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Monika Borycka
We are today in this didn't want to talk about. But I said, that is very interesting to be able to touch our minds and of
00:00:29
Monika real
I think just take a
Understanding Chikriria: An Unclear Concept
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Monika Borycka
butchago poo
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Monika real
is world of IT.
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Monika real
But Frodo probably noticed something more. The fact is that invincing chikriria not to benjami ah but shivi yavan de stara staachot tro the start
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Monika Borycka
What is it? Why
What is Vibcoding?
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Monika Borycka
did we spend the before recording, talking about this topic?
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Monika real
the vogula yes ta a to you see no
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Monika Borycka
But I don't think I'm not sure, I'm not sure, I'm trying to vibe.
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Monika real
Druga thing is that it is not to of I will say to the same American word. Okay.
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Monika Borycka
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AI Clarity Through Interface Chat
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Monika Borycka
and But for the don't know about what we will talk about, what is this Vibcoding?
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Monika real
love hellos absolutelys
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Monika Borycka
have a But instead of this, you can use the so-called interface chat talk with a very clear understanding AI, a little bit like dog. So, I'm just saying, I'm very much going to say, hey, I'm going to say...
00:02:34
Monika real
I just wanted to say that you are not going to be a good idea.
00:02:37
Monika Borycka
I'll make list of my favorite films, make bit like a a code And Lovable, GitHub Copilot, Cloud Code, Codex and so it's exactly the same kind of family.
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Monika real
I just go to the The interface the process but
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Monika real
and actually it's a that to to of the the is
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Monika Borycka
But it's also something that took place
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Monika real
No,
Vibcoding's Popularity and Rick Rubin
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Monika real
tak. notac
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Monika Borycka
and the The of
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Monika Borycka
vi bobvi is a pomage code voggu eia yeah trocha e and tago cheoje fatrohe tae ah as ah as areki natomi tosh thsu
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Monika real
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Monika Borycka
But you see, it's like a guy standing on the meme with a map, that everything is working. Because I think it's not a case in the moment when the vibe coding was popular, but also suddenly on the wall of my colleagues, mainly colleagues, with a wide open IT, there was a person like Rick Rubin.
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Monika Borycka
I don't know if you know Monika, Rick Rubin.
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Monika real
I didn't go into the development of developers.
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Monika Borycka
To is grace in the to
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Monika Borycka
epa exactly like the bittu ah tria tria tria tousitam jucig So I also kind of gave me to the the the
00:06:49
Monika real
You also have to friend, with a friend, with a friend. the pisach za cheeps spneto bomb toyus washta and no lam netaki now element pitanion ya so should
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Monika Borycka
A you got this? You got this? You got this? got this? got this? got this? got this?
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Monika real
No, because I am a this.
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Monika Borycka
but fardo the sad ofzeu necodo popos
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Monika real
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Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
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Monika real
just we' ka her software vitag noto du ta pavette shavatahoim otvatipoviic
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Monika Borycka
Why do we do this talk about of
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Monika Borycka
um ah
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Monika real
The localization is a lot of the connection to developers with culture.
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Monika Borycka
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Monika Borycka
we could have been to work, so we could have been able to get the code to the Cursor, but the company organized. But also,
AI and Automation in Business Development
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Monika Borycka
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Monika Borycka
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00:10:50
Monika real
Maybe we should continue to do this. Exactly.
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Monika Borycka
it's as a business, yes.
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Monika real
the quad ne
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Monika Borycka
But it was thought that
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Monika Borycka
not only a machine, but But
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Monika Borycka
But there is a change, which is happening. And it is happening in the you
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Monika Borycka
creator body. Słyszałaś o tym?
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Monika real
No, but... I think we were something about it. Yes, exactly. Yes.
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Monika Borycka
Yes, APCA has been able to tweet from EXA, analyzes the model AI and helps the author write a better information.
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Monika real
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Monika real
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Monika Borycka
And she probably has a lot what I remember, it is 300 000 USD. So you see...
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Monika real
I think that we have a little bit of a narrative.
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Monika Borycka
then seber pages
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Monika real
One is of the
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Monika real
the first one, which we mentioned earlier, when we talk about the of the idea of the idea of the idea. You have accept the idea the idea that you generate you have know what you have to you have to know about.
00:13:47
Monika real
So you can create a sense of the The of of them,
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Monika real
We need to of
00:15:08
Monika real
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Monika Borycka
I to
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Monika real
solv yeah
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Monika Borycka
I'm in a loop where do something, I'm a projectant for UX interface, I send to the in
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Monika Borycka
or change the yellow banner to green, it's a of
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Monika Borycka
It's a
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Monika Borycka
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Monika Borycka
a the the of University of Victoria, The way to of evidently something changes.
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Monika Borycka
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Monika Borycka
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Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:19:39
Monika real
do... do a i the the test, the removal the dangerous stories. If we work with
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Monika real
but themo you but we have a
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Monika Borycka
I think that is a
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Monika real
think I just got stuck. I think it will be to do this. But in the
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Monika Borycka
So, legacy.
Polish Tech's Global Impact
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Monika real
There is a whole secret of it looks like it's in the international corporations.
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Monika Borycka
fime
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Monika real
talking about the Polish success of the progress of the European success of the big success of the world.
00:21:15
Monika Borycka
Polska myśl technologiczna po prostu.
00:21:17
Monika real
I now I wonder if it will be easy to be a person as agent AI. It's a whole story that I'm going to hurt in the whole story.
00:21:25
Monika Borycka
Ale wiesz... so ito the shippoyavvi have thebaia itho um outto otton boro maana ah shapiivanni taki starre yzikov yzikov kodovania to you need the coin system at vipecodingo aratez barja ah and ah ainurra ai is stra asotto agenttic agent a I in of
00:22:19
Monika Borycka
programing one-on-one, or programing, or to, in SaaS, which is software as a service version enterprise, for a million dollars, but maybe, we need to make it a little bit more, building a little bit more,
00:22:49
Monika Borycka
yeah To jest też dla mnie ciekawe.
00:22:50
Monika real
In small businesses, I think I know that there are some stories
00:22:54
Monika Borycka
Ale zobacz, że już giełda też na to trochę zareagowała. Ja tutaj nie chcę wchodzić w temat, natomiast wiesz...
00:22:58
Monika real
like this, like this, like this, like this, like this software, and the price of the software house.
00:23:06
Monika Borycka
Giełdę...
00:23:10
Monika real
I think that's it, but think that's it.
00:23:14
Monika real
AI is absolutely a of do
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Monika Borycka
No, no, no, no,
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Monika real
za fond pivosti
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Monika Borycka
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00:23:43
Monika real
So, washni eventsce vince to go to buttania to tell to tell his vipe coing butlana to parotoenovna bukotania nahenja poddonir keddish to me na andjami vi so no but new colaent with the program it to test and question to something of it solve attack you know je ta dale to the call steveanana somero of hiscu praci develop per attack itas yes qui and hapchik ah
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Monika Borycka
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Monika real
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Monika Borycka
Mhm Mhm
00:24:29
Monika real
ah but boto tano prav the optimally z yeah then ten to unique If it is, we need to be much more and more of a person's body to achieve a product the product.
00:24:40
Monika Borycka
Mhm
00:24:52
Monika real
I'm talking about the whole process of production code. Not only about developers, but also about business analysts, IT, Scrum Master. Very different are the If we can achieve the the to of IT's future.
00:25:27
Monika real
not dot
00:25:28
Monika Borycka
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00:25:56
Monika Borycka
Trochę głupio. Głupio wyszło, nie?
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Monika real
It will be a to to
00:26:26
Monika Borycka
i look isn it yeah if you are teacher sit and then mr ato toto toto puiny mo na she she there's do this cui vaer reika the hichnago takiba picha for boyasha versus gaam she ah benjakash is meanaana and kura and of is ah thought to mis totani stazakash the toro But not
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Monika real
that
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Monika Borycka
for people who will have look at the code. They will have to look the context of
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Monika Borycka
of
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Monika Borycka
who, who, who,
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Monika Borycka
pamino tragedy in the bra kibu be chainavin mishajautai benji absolute the shao praamna browns ah ah cybersecur yeah if she can go just kept shiskeos sobe and pras yozanna z yozaneakim wash alit them I think that's something I think we're still waiting for many the big ups and ups and downs this situation.
00:28:19
Monika real
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00:28:53
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
00:29:16
Monika real
with the go
00:29:31
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm. Yeah, tomar sense, tomar sense.
00:29:44
Monika real
Because media have been done with the work of directors, directors and developers. It's not about creating huge innovation, applications,
00:30:00
Monika real
newspaper, the newspaper, the concept was made, but it was a connection between one the people who are in the field of the field of the field of the field of the field the field of the field of the field of the field of the field of the field of the field of the field of the field of the field of the field the field of the field of the field of the field of the field the field of the field of the field of the field of the field of the field.
00:30:22
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
Challenges in IT Collaboration for Projects
00:30:29
Monika real
And over the years, a lot of the world's groups tried to build these groups. It was worse or worse result. The most famous is often mentioned New York Times, which has been lot of these types of projects that are connected to now-czes new programming in the world.
00:30:57
Monika real
But most the time it was not done. Because the work was also very fast. Sometimes, when you were ready to create an application, one, two, three days, just something that was done, On the other hand, there was a barrier between these two worlds.
00:31:12
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
00:31:16
Monika real
And often these worlds were not able to get together, to create a very quick project. ahbi full naakishta kivie so and baro shipki projectgotova In this case I'm going to
00:31:59
Monika real
So, I think that the work with a large amount of data, I think that at the Epstein's case absolutely not.
00:32:02
Monika Borycka
Mhm.
00:32:05
Monika Borycka
But it's interesting, see, when see, it's interesting, if they cancel the there was a
00:32:28
Monika real
Yes, exactly.
00:32:28
Monika Borycka
raise
00:32:28
Monika real
Sztuczna inteligencja has been done in world of the
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Monika Borycka
no barduwa fuchaleal naia
00:32:41
Monika real
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00:32:56
Monika real
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00:33:22
Monika Borycka
Or even if I'm going to do it.
Efficiency of Single-Use Software
00:33:24
Monika real
or even if I say, I'm going to write it. going to write it on my mind. I'm going to write it on my mind. not napeian as a subject I powie, I would like to itok chawa but me sha some paed that he naostanfuuka used as visuali a vegetable of tay takita is possible vince tota absolute ni taki mukaia chances on doja notist sold the do to and
00:33:42
Monika Borycka
yeah
00:34:00
Monika real
the yeah
00:34:09
Monika Borycka
disposable software, czyli taki jednorazowy do jakiegoś case'u. Tak jak mówisz, taka przeglądarka do jakichś spraw sądowych. Oczywiście to znaczy, że ten software po prostu wyrzucisz po jednym użyciu, tylko że on po prostu ma spełniać jedną, jedyną one function, which is
00:34:48
Monika Borycka
nice toos chicava thego yadai obs upstairses obsavians ah yeston na kos meiananaana in java about this poet na imana ja about pizamiur the coinage whennika in likenamo you i'm just a mo mozavata So it and
00:35:08
Monika real
think that happens to the world of the Arctic.
00:35:16
Monika real
But to to
00:35:21
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
00:35:27
Monika real
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Monika Borycka
W kawiarniach?
00:35:31
Monika real
For the people who are not a
00:35:34
Monika Borycka
O. O. Mm-hmm.
00:36:18
Monika Borycka
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00:36:28
Monika real
or the to technology,
00:36:34
Monika Borycka
ahenia There was a lot of technology, in technology, but And this pattern was repeated.
00:36:50
Monika real
But I think that the the a for
00:37:28
Monika real
the chat and there were a lot them through the global no she internet internet contact with someone else the second half of the kuli.
00:37:39
Monika Borycka
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00:37:42
Monika real
Now there are some kawiarenki for In sum?
00:37:47
Monika Borycka
It's a silly idea, but yeah and yeah and yes nipsha straho I to I think it's important to the
00:38:33
Monika Borycka
so to this man yeah de zo is that of nigar version them not to eat latin in vdazano I like said, I'm going to of the is thinking
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Monika Borycka
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Creating a Large Podcast Network: Is it Possible?
00:39:05
Monika real
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Monika Borycka
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00:39:12
Monika real
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Monika Borycka
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00:39:26
Monika real
What on the is of the gravis chipo program? the pop business? AI ah do on to tonagoti pool or program of anim baura go shaan program isanimanjitanni she alpa
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Monika Borycka
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Monika Borycka
but it's not like it's a
00:40:48
Monika real
Okay, maybe a of
00:40:53
Monika Borycka
Piszcie do nas, zostawiajcie komentarze na Spotify, bo dziękujemy, komentarze są super.
00:41:10
Monika real
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Monika real
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00:41:45
Monika Borycka
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00:41:46
Monika real
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00:41:47
Monika Borycka
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00:41:56
Monika Borycka
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Monika real
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