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Odc. 69 - Rozmowy #8 - Ten o laboratoriach badawczych, Fabryce AI i (gościnnie: Kacper Wikieł)
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W tym odcinku zamieniamy Monikę na gościa - Kacpra Wikła, twórcę otwartego laboratorium polskiej AI „Slayer" (fabryka.ai) i benchmarkowego portalu CodeSOTA. Rozmawiamy bez linkedinowych mądrości, od strony czysto praktycznej: po co Polsce własny model językowy, dlaczego prawdziwym wąskim gardłem jest dziś moc obliczeniowa, a nie talent czy wiedza, i jak buduje się otwarty (ale komercyjny) lab badawczy od zera. Kacper tłumaczy, czym są benchmarki i „wrappery na modele", o wadze open source i o tym jak można realnie dołączyć do jego zespołu ścieżką „od lurkera do kontrybutora". Jest też szczera rozmowa o pieniądzach: skąd je brać, kto wspiera i dlaczego „you can just do things" to coś więcej niż motywacyjny frazes. Odcinek dla wszystkich, którzy mają dość gadania o AI i chcą posłuchać, jak faktycznie nad tym się pracuje.
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Transcript
Introduction and Welcome
00:00:00
Monika Borycka
Good morning, welcome to the podcast of the future, a welcome to Joanna Frota-Kurkowska today we have a special guest, I am going to Monika to Kacpra.
00:00:05
Kacper
Thank you.
00:00:08
Monika Borycka
Kacper,
Guest Introduction: Monika Kacpra
00:00:10
Monika Borycka
you introduce yourself?
00:00:21
Kacper
Jeśli chodzi o moje doświadczenie zawodowe, bo w tradycyjny sposób tego ludzie zaczynają,
00:00:34
Kacper
and Spektrum również mam, jeśli chodzi o ADHD i spektrum Aspergera. and So,
Exploring the Slayer Project
00:00:41
Kacper
so, so, so,
00:00:41
Monika Borycka
Amazing.
00:00:43
Kacper
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00:00:57
Monika Borycka
So we do this we dojdziemy.
00:00:59
Kacper
Yes, I will say that the info for the prawns is that we don't use Slayer as a name as a project because it's a name that is a source of interest, so we just say that Slayer is a concept of this, but I will come back to this topic, I will wait for the next question.
00:01:18
Monika Borycka
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00:01:41
Kacper
Thank you.
00:02:02
Monika Borycka
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00:02:22
Kacper
Okay,
Introducing the Zeus Wave Concept
00:02:23
Kacper
Zeus Wave, the concept is tech used this' absolutely ni pinkna a statika to to
00:02:53
Kacper
Microsoft
00:03:01
Kacper
I just to in today reduce one to sydney straner z tepo
00:03:37
Kacper
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00:03:41
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
00:03:41
Kacper
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00:03:47
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
00:03:58
Kacper
And it is different from the model that is They are mostly in frontiers, but the mniejsze models are
AI Benchmarks and Google's GAMMA 4
00:04:06
Kacper
not. The GAMMA 4 is a model from Google, which is small, that you can remember anything.
00:04:08
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
00:04:10
Kacper
It comes to benchmark, to see how these things are. to ta the had benchmark quick there but vge saw yes so so to yak dan there tutorium
00:04:23
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:04:26
Kacper
na świecie muszą być uporządkowane, to znaczy każda rzecz musi mieć przypisany numer, nie wiem, od 0 100, and on a in
00:04:41
Monika Borycka
here
00:04:57
Kacper
and we can write the AI to write the maturation on different topics.
00:05:00
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
00:05:04
Kacper
These topics, which you can write, are not only, who is the LLM, who the mathematics or who is the post. There are about 1500, let's say, like I said, benchmarking on different topics.
00:05:15
Kacper
It's not only about AI to write the LLM,
00:05:19
Kacper
We have benchmarked on whether AI makeki model is a of
00:05:40
Kacper
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00:05:43
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:06:07
Kacper
A czasami się nie gubiam. I po prostu informacja temat, gdzie jesteśmy w tym świecie AI, to jest właśnie odpowiedź na pytanie taka porównująca, znaczy w porównaniu do takich ekspertów AI-owych, którzy tutaj mówią wam, o, czy nas zje, czy AI nas nie zje, czy halucynuje, tylko po prostu...
00:06:24
Monika Borycka
I can't take a job.
00:06:26
Kacper
Yes, and it's about the question that is well-positioned, you can answer the benchmarking that is actually made. So, there are things like Zuswave, or maybe some kind of bench, which I have a bunch of different things, which I have a bunch of things that I have in the second, which is called code SOTA.
00:06:47
Monika Borycka
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00:06:47
Kacper
butmarquis like
00:07:17
Kacper
you
00:07:35
Kacper
W 2018 roku Robert Stojnis założył coś, co się nazywało Paper Swift Code, czyli papiery z kodem. I to AI
00:07:59
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
00:08:03
Kacper
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00:08:14
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
00:08:24
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
00:08:39
Monika Borycka
Like not more.
00:08:40
Kacper
yeah you say Yes, I think that I can't implement these things, which are not good, because we have to spend time with some kind of ranking. And here is the paper-sweave code that was added to the things that were added. And on the classic benchmarks, it was just like people who were rivaling.
00:08:59
Kacper
And there is a little bit of an American culture, which talking about, that there is conference in the world and people who come to visit for example, conference about the creation of the image and the OCR, which is the text of the image of the machine and the text of the image.
Paper Swift Code Initiative in AI
00:09:19
Kacper
I am metodamic today rub alia was in hista years a person who
00:09:25
Monika Borycka
No wiadomo. Mhm.
00:09:38
Kacper
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00:09:54
Monika Borycka
Okay. ah it
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Monika Borycka
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00:10:10
Kacper
Thank you.
00:10:16
Monika Borycka
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00:10:42
Kacper
Thank you.
00:10:47
Monika Borycka
And
00:11:03
Monika Borycka
model, we're going to do this.
00:11:07
Monika Borycka
not i'mna petalamman yeah
00:11:07
Kacper
I think that was a fund, institute.
00:11:21
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
00:11:25
Kacper
just want to
00:11:32
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
00:11:34
Monika Borycka
Tak, taką pozytywną, nie?
00:11:35
Kacper
So they don't publish the and they can organize it.
00:11:36
Monika Borycka
Że to jest... Mm-hmm.
00:11:41
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
00:11:42
Kacper
And the of the
00:11:51
Kacper
is a that shows the and
00:12:07
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
00:12:10
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
00:12:12
Kacper
you where that comes i aa yes a mamatakita talent of mamoloji but you ponala university mama mime ma And a that the
00:12:23
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
00:12:32
Kacper
Where are the Polish models? are the Polish models? What's interesting, Poland has 11 Polaków, which is probably programist engineering, the only country, which has even more, is Israel.
00:12:39
Monika Borycka
Where are they?
00:12:42
Kacper
We have a number countries that are 1-5 or 1-1-1-1-1. program isric about you didn't connect to the ma by australianeta is israel willillara to problem schingcu and and even pin it like al boy you that notations I have a lot of in the of and engineering.
00:12:55
Monika Borycka
as it
00:13:00
Kacper
And they think that to place where and how.
00:13:12
Kacper
Everyone who knows AI, they are able to speak public about AI, that they are not able to speak public about AI.
00:13:19
Kacper
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00:13:26
Monika Borycka
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00:13:57
Kacper
Thank
00:14:23
Monika Borycka
As a classic, would say that would say that I would say that.
00:14:27
Kacper
We have in Poland a cluster of course, and to rub the instant called stack useria australian the say computer my um so rub supercomputer a poaakka wish is a nimon paveian grant of badaf la theov of jabel zturizavaen computer in computer, use the computer.
00:14:51
Kacper
or don't have any work that doesn't have much value, they are just not just pussing and they just do it and they just do it and they just do it.
00:14:59
Monika Borycka
It's amazing. It's amazing to use the resources.
00:15:02
Kacper
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00:15:36
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
00:15:42
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
00:15:49
Monika Borycka
No.
00:15:54
Monika Borycka
so so
00:16:14
Monika Borycka
the dayish issues are much be ma out page naistco nerohe trocha itspe trohabnda vta b av baakketa kialusak pettaniami ah ito not povejo like bennatan brata go compute power nottan brata kegotai od fartos youurramo use that just thats just the volachikas like a niium yeah yeah he also be two version o farto spirit I that to of
00:16:50
Monika Borycka
chick la she is and do stampmp ah We are in the field of AI.
00:17:01
Monika Borycka
pozzo yeahviakki yes natopomers of the moment yeah
00:17:05
Kacper
itos it has russian data occur scratch mimo tell with vi informatic key whenever just gigo well the stamp now materials motion abuses rubbies stan for je mit t testsh myness from montary I will us and on that are online here a big bit so and when you like is a bit more as christian you and the stamp of the to
00:17:20
Monika Borycka
okay okay
00:17:29
Kacper
There is a the a little bit of a power.
00:17:31
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm. Uh-huh.
00:17:42
Kacper
but movies are ah
00:17:48
Monika Borycka
ah hu
00:17:52
Kacper
in most of things I do with people, that they have something that I do, it's therapy that I do, that there is nothing wrong with you yeah it touch it this stra and a surprise that sometimes I do it to people say To nie jest tak, że ty jesteś gorszy jako Polak, jako polski programista, że nie możesz robić researchu, bo możesz i ok, oni robią ten research, czyli np.
AI Research in Poland
00:18:19
Kacper
ludzie robią research AI,
00:18:20
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
00:18:28
Kacper
if can't even put the godian book the dia which everluas is the style of benj marity if heto tyfa tunini in atrakati themtaif triquedo for saakkra dush sam basra the tequiist
00:18:33
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
00:18:39
Kacper
ah kaitionnazara techu actor the zojo organization in nowelch but peace i was at the time oflenya was there of sping gun log and pop stick out a bit fine etc that true
00:18:45
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
00:18:51
Kacper
he said to be talk, ask questions. And it ended up with, that Research product dollars in dollars and is a top if
00:19:07
Kacper
now open router, czyli proxy to mierzącym ilość zużycia tokenów w providerze. I to jest run rate revenue.
00:19:24
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
00:19:28
Kacper
revenue. it is it doesn ivele to toto naztaian A że kto więcej przepala na tokeny, bo jeżeli klient płaci mi
00:19:29
Monika Borycka
Tak.
00:19:36
Kacper
so time you've en reachched it a lot of creditor that a cuppu omnir tokeni you um you imagined these pros that areing with those marag gota sahi sheep chappaella deep chapellala of scana hadtao hence rambito duro it is the thson paroto eam not um for tepu was to million of the lot of rotsa like he hadjaakttoda to doa autoto jitta to kinda ido ma
00:19:59
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:20:00
Kacper
pardon theome mo decydującą, co będzie dalej rozwijane. I też osoba, która ma open source. there's not just that furtherka danas fi mixxmo dri but dan rajaanne raic e perdo turish pa strayam evia orra To
00:20:31
Kacper
It's not the business, a
00:20:47
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
00:20:48
Kacper
Just that there is a bit a or to be a web version. The AI, which we have now, even we look at only open models, the tech yeah ai sort of me mammamer your status to eat at us now englishman particular tilconut a farta modeldelaist It's more than enough. And now we have an eye-eye in the
00:21:24
Kacper
That's my opinion about AI in corporations. I've seen it from the other side. I've been working with Procter & Gamble and PwC. I've seen
Open Source Solutions in Corporations
00:21:34
Kacper
it, that if there is open source solution, then corporations just do like with Kuleczka, they eat these things.
00:21:44
Kacper
because everything is available on their servers, which is why they a a
00:21:44
Monika Borycka
No, no.
00:21:54
Monika Borycka
No.
00:22:07
Monika Borycka
Yes, it is and of of
00:22:08
Kacper
of
00:22:32
Monika Borycka
who are in technology, they are putting a house, so that it doesn't happen to be on a it is
00:22:37
Kacper
please
00:22:53
Kacper
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00:23:36
Monika Borycka
think that's...
00:23:39
Kacper
o e this fuel to talent and ah thumb that like
00:23:45
Monika Borycka
One more important thing is to think about rapery on models.
Victor Innovation from Poland
00:23:49
Monika Borycka
but thomas de zeus
00:23:49
Kacper
yeah So, the analogy is that think that we have a
00:24:09
Kacper
to the measure, it is the same thing that is written by these web-reviews.
00:24:22
Kacper
Many of these companies have a super-file track. One of the companies that I really like and I love it,
00:24:31
Kacper
I told me been numbers was a bit goodto because that Victor, a new innovation in Poland.
00:24:38
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
00:24:40
Kacper
ah so passionate it editor which ma pop proposed the post come in narasia eat test the telogic to rubbi it has rape um And looked.
00:24:51
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
00:24:57
Kacper
And do this kind of models, just servevan a bit moakkimaderi bazar very hekitaki techki which were made in 80% to the always have to build from zero.
00:25:07
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
00:25:13
Kacper
People have a weird obsession that only need to build a model in 100% from scratch, that they have 100 million dollars only for reason, that it is model that is good one from kogoś.
00:25:28
Kacper
and yeah No, no, no, no,
00:25:30
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:25:32
Kacper
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00:25:47
Monika Borycka
letterto v koji a kosania But to model. But looking at the price of compute, the same work, it's like some There are cosmic prices and there are no more than to be afraid why the most models are from the States or China, and Europe still fight. There are no more than to be afraid of this. will talk about this in the context of the AI. It's about the cost and the money that is made for it.
00:26:25
Monika Borycka
but proto number
00:26:25
Kacper
I think that's a so intensely. Here's Michael Ward, who just...
00:26:33
Kacper
today miha verda to the but so ah
00:26:36
Monika Borycka
from QForge, very nice start-up, to get started.
00:26:38
Kacper
tax excuse is Keith Hörder just a If I a lot.
00:27:00
Kacper
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00:27:07
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:27:15
Kacper
If we have a a a is Even graphic cards, which are there is a lot of resources for the price. These are even even 20 000 dollars for the card.
00:27:43
Kacper
It is entry the level. It's not a high tier card, it's a luxury. It's a start. Then
00:28:01
Kacper
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00:28:10
Monika Borycka
So, the warsawskai kawalerka, let's say.
00:28:11
Kacper
prone
00:28:14
Kacper
but andpa e a so saidvarava proto mr mo my po apo at themin of issue mrvarami theres a koto eiane nish looks to so ah penhouse apartmentamentia of salmon And I
00:28:16
Monika Borycka
Okay.
00:28:31
Kacper
and
00:28:31
Monika Borycka
So it's better invest in the and it's...
00:28:44
Kacper
Yes, and with some wash post ski here the It's a little open consortium.
00:29:13
Kacper
just to dilia stack user tas a benjara bua fabrica ai benja guavva as a possiblebaranette at The be to the Smith, that is just
00:29:25
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:29:56
Kacper
to be able to buy token and he needs to buy token. And when someone thought that 20 dollars for the GPT is huge, he would not know he would pay for it. Now I look at how I use token, I use token, I look at the same cloudcode, I look at 480 dollars a month. Good, that I have a subscription to pay for it, think that have subscription to pay for it.
00:30:15
Kacper
the but a month subscriptive partner and use sample that quite
00:30:16
Monika Borycka
yes
00:30:19
Kacper
I don't even know I'm not even close and it now it's near some misky top a million dollars a month.
00:30:34
Kacper
good
00:30:43
Kacper
Yes, it's a great trend, which is a weird one. Who says that the model fa perman momente pelanique bar costsavo be not butan like is standard good even because tavo damon natany even kikaji and the a white collar, a of carparai mosja beach
00:31:00
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
00:31:08
Kacper
nihan staffkakajiavvo niche model ai
00:31:13
Kacper
I can ask you A, you can see that the owner is just a little bit more than hour.
00:31:15
Monika Borycka
ha
00:31:22
Monika Borycka
Do
00:31:25
Monika Borycka
which it has been? Okay, let's go to this factory AI. ah My question is, to
00:31:59
Kacper
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00:32:03
Monika Borycka
Okej.
00:32:11
Kacper
record seven year sam was show laptop you't thinkberg <unk>haigina bit of it i was ah
00:32:22
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
00:32:23
Kacper
pragmatycznie to
00:32:23
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
00:32:45
Kacper
is thing to and the in at
00:33:13
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
00:33:14
Kacper
to do this project, which is just under our agenda, under our umbrella, parasol of this project, where the goal is to be able to get support, compute, so you don't have to take your money to make money. We have to have legal legal account, and this is a thing that I thank you for the work,
00:33:39
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
00:33:39
Kacper
like ah yeah yeah gottaki e rebel totania pravnito ah copyright of ah egbo toteruna poland the kishman care avatzus pu sekaan salliberarianarianin i love forristo which i said i got with is the pragma teachni desert it it's about pocha best paroto thechieriani the laguanga ah a beluia or to christianianian balish shequesti praveni So, binyja bali shek turta islamia faishna the bishop virginia valley first he prehotowski but so i'm all to the is going to be a part of
00:34:11
Kacper
And so, it's necessary to be part of the law. namos prana which who himself, doesn't a business, prawn it, with
00:34:29
Monika Borycka
Listen, the interest are different. Maybe a milliarder says, and then you
00:34:35
Monika Borycka
surviv and
00:35:12
Monika Borycka
totesni is tas have bits of bedota go labu shaba which popin you kuruach aio vi chiupion as linkedinina To
00:35:14
Kacper
Thank
00:35:21
Monika Borycka
Można przyjść, że tak powiem brzydko, goło i wesoło i zacząć działać. I to which on my is not to be a comment, because it's probably a bit more, but it's probably a bit more,
00:35:55
Kacper
so
00:35:59
Monika Borycka
Like, like, like, like,
00:36:08
Monika Borycka
and naona moja sucha e but naim sta fabricriz rait jo chaguwa beia sta qui piz step pozaurovania moto vieli shepami mi mu luovvanni tuniiaania and mackanna observe avan to c j best for the native interact
00:36:23
Kacper
pi fromreta raswaba his ra beach text starra mamaakki corer but that of changed to The that the to, have the and
00:36:30
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
00:36:37
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
00:36:58
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
00:37:00
Kacper
umolitelaatorra but justtin yeah you study <unk>a the the magan up of the mouth and the totanian text
00:37:20
Monika Borycka
Thank you.
00:37:35
Kacper
I don't have money, then I do something else. I just give people way to do that. You can do a pull request, contribute to project, you can do feedback. You can do something. It is do something.
00:37:55
Kacper
and Permissionless Intentship. To znaczy, to w ogóle, że na przykład, załóżmy, że ktoś by chciał robić coś dla ZAIC-u, tak?
00:37:59
Monika Borycka
Oh, interesting.
00:38:05
Kacper
No i
00:38:24
Kacper
but byton and boomage my like historian ofdoravat preach the bureau of che she actually cv hill sail through down it so to to
00:38:42
Kacper
to do public works, which are suitable for the ZX, which are attached to the ZX, to do some kind of research, to do some research, which would be selected to the person, if the person could work.
00:38:50
Monika Borycka
So.
00:38:56
Kacper
In case of open source projects I'm a lot easier to do. I'm a great example of Open Mercato, project Braci Karwatków. where if you want to And
00:39:27
Kacper
that there are not to me, but I think that there are no way to me against the HR, because I think that someone is good person, but he is a good person, he is good person, but he is person, he is a good person,
00:39:47
Kacper
the no groia shadow that eterch electticious dubra and like the aldonique of yest the
00:39:51
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:39:54
Kacper
know shava level da um album is snapquas yeahkihi group used kobeta moo and some shinipoganno pernum jes came so like the but mosttra also mayam paroto rusne pavoov the key some the pan years and neszavich underdog takisza and is that' ah there's is zaist paroto nottro bozaia now i that yeaham stage come in raini tech his program of from but tech tuuja pautz ah protoev
00:40:25
Kacper
program ofvane la also better about him some program ofvanni lost the vikite group is post and he touch tetoam
00:40:29
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
00:40:32
Kacper
No, no, no, no, ni internet nina as a siam e e hundred of so te straca virona gironta paosto techki orange transnyluic tomogras are auto takeru near discrimin te nature boy even mete copyia an obpseo ta that In the other way, no,
00:40:56
Kacper
presto pokashfebartahi ti the tri email know that theres a ah was i'm obsessing tre cast the mother country bova he proposed to
00:41:02
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
00:41:04
Kacper
bit of areia but stuck in men or woman in the arena yeah shiva kaua and we put prosto yes per lavilogji heut i a little bit of cover for across to
00:41:21
Kacper
theres so good manpo to key programs ah Every person who is connected to Discord, gets a Like in a company, you can connect to company and it
00:41:39
Monika Borycka
Mm hmm. Mm hmm.
00:41:41
Kacper
You have mentor, you have a this success, to do this success, to do this. But it's not like we are going go through these steps, we are going to go through these steps, but you can get a course, learn something, interested in the course, interested in the course, interested in the course, be a I would not like to create a project, which There a small group of core contributors who are sitting on a the like their posts and say super, super, without any option to go from one group to another.
00:42:22
Kacper
My ambition is to show people that are transparent.
00:42:23
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:42:28
Kacper
that there 1000 people, and 1000 people just to and you get the second group, which another group. You have to with the first group, then do things. these things can just cost-free. this is way the community just and I was just saying, that was free-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for-for- price, because that there kind AI on critical but dragon searchque cut the answer staytoday but palam course the so so is we have a half of the
00:43:07
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
00:43:18
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
00:43:32
Kacper
li stamp um mykeru strategies charator mama trivija naorva
00:43:32
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
00:43:38
Kacper
the prosto mis most scholarshipper and sp prosto the handsome do pisana
00:43:40
Monika Borycka
Super. Mm-hmm.
00:43:42
Kacper
is see store me mesh
00:43:43
Monika Borycka
Super.
00:43:46
Kacper
washingtonnauroist thosena samuel pre misokk there's a nimogos i about the bo so rone pavalosspitan bank ai of amhi rahanniruranjavi and mean mo e some partda i like the but buti but sometracha puav target is na be so iqua There is a to you
00:44:29
Monika Borycka
It's what we talked about, even with the antenna, that is the code of conduct, copy and paste. as of mustto
00:44:37
Kacper
ah Code of Contact, copy of clay.
00:44:39
Monika Borycka
but
00:44:39
Kacper
think so, so, so, so
00:44:46
Kacper
the sunday vertategore too with some patoan we bar the past the rules but the two m ah nimi is asset but navanet train i meanium but this sad the muslim of pravade se pian so a you process some poepna a advisorza stack key mod insistza
00:44:59
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:45:02
Kacper
but prosters a sad pa doing zona dore za harania angellirerastobama which is
00:45:27
Monika Borycka
We will soon get to this commercialization of money.
00:45:34
Kacper
idruka there and done a sp up parato totania akies bediffl um bennefa and dictatorated for life to these ah thecator refitan and and natsa in the chain there's a bennibu ta parosa that is ze eimre withtania me john abcetors benji group allui that's theen called them tara beach
00:45:34
Monika Borycka
and nothing
00:45:52
Kacper
like but naparon cop proa the quads of the poraita meki cor team luic to the country bovari to trade umna to this way, a of a in
00:46:02
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:46:17
Monika Borycka
But there is a phrase that is strong opinions loosely held, that means that if someone has a counter-opinion, which is a bit a convince, then ok.
00:46:24
Kacper
it.
00:46:27
Monika Borycka
I just want to sum up, because here is a beautiful monologue, who has been made. So that is, that are two-ers,
00:46:35
Monika Borycka
they not the duoers must work for 20 hours, but
00:46:54
Monika Borycka
I don't know my example, I don't know if I'm programming, but I'm in my collection and I'm in my collection. I don't have to do anything. If someone wants to do something, I don't have to do anything. But I don't have to do anything. I don't have to anything.
00:47:14
Monika Borycka
I know that I don't want to into it, but I don't want to a
00:47:33
Monika Borycka
alaakki
00:47:34
Kacper
Thank you.
00:47:43
Monika Borycka
to contribute to the butmo obbio um obliter nero no aleto sodali natti ala mo moovviic poper so yacbe netilares suomi planni ho mozza detrore
00:48:17
Monika Borycka
aegtosh dyre ana partit toka poskadiaspoag dis zagrani suato awesome ta find ne hopaki di to shilagra sp muma posque fundu shabo business angela to invested in if somebula v and proek but others raz but ja butovaicton proek the that are non-profit, that you are from the profits.
00:48:39
Monika Borycka
mission is got to test for the bows of raos song viaa de vi pianan neka de butto tahoji vi is a toia benja kila non prophetovvi vola benji udawa trochab chokaszi shni bandda toai named dropovva in nagola bo romea which open I in,
00:48:59
Kacper
Okay, to chyba jakiś cytat, że ask for the money, czyli zapytaj o pieniądze, tam dostań, get advice, dostań poradę, ask for advice, get money twice.
00:49:08
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:49:12
Kacper
znaczy, ja nie proszę ludzi o pieniądze, tylko bardziej proszę ludzi o poradę i o na przykład... so baktashmi ah few vouching trees a beamli pallaio nasrani archives there's a ekaam ah o saba e g build the publicaia rubb mamo gets paleam firea aftertick kooavarussha kogosh autoha but i'm working I ask a ya subbo twitter tv chat there's a pod up na chat buer it's ten subscribed
00:49:42
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
00:49:43
Kacper
our wish pause sketch experta ex google forrenavota etc odd is one of
00:49:56
Kacper
shevista trenddavani temodali yu stra stranges skitash poraam koagga ala The
00:50:12
Kacper
I'm a the dashka sauce forward sporters mo levels are for a
00:50:22
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:50:26
Kacper
eva it pass of ma ra beach touch sub bens are a bitov and but ittotaia vm's ra I to the who are already in the case,
00:50:49
Kacper
movie prosna that pratan dali but blank check and said oh mugraa till i magazine the star tapora so to keep night i want to discovered a teaca pe theres a bit pa proto yeah he a goodia as a bit pa proto labba she tested of v j e put and po and check but that's is it to three what you can say ah e my husband said that i'm showan steal me mifacazeva kaina shaterv
00:51:08
Monika Borycka
Uh-huh.
00:51:14
Kacper
e yeah cuppa proto in your lab but mit rubbish stachioze ray harres then those research the couples so china ships a oh yeah when you watching those stuff that's po oncom We
00:51:27
Monika Borycka
Uh-huh.
00:51:28
Kacper
agent AI, który z racji tego, że jest open source, open source, żeby kontrybuować do projektu za darmo, jeżeli ten projekt jest open source.
00:51:34
Monika Borycka
Uh-huh.
00:51:57
Kacper
but newrsni benja come which pia praavva likeki field mix as lemikatan cojik e in you but near povalla you named sego becausees they sit come at laibia instead paoso rabi measure trick to the it attackchan bay terre sava Because be
00:52:05
Monika Borycka
Ciao.
00:52:12
Kacper
Commons, where we have a a totally forgotten topic. It's a 17-year concept a good We have people who want to want to work with this good thing. And
00:52:36
Kacper
And I want to be super clear with this, if any VC investor is listening to this, that
00:52:44
Kacper
The idea is that we are doing an open, commercial, applied research lab, but the idea of research is that there is no certainty and we don't know what we will do exactly for year, if someone who says what will be exactly for a year, just doesn't know what a year or something.
00:52:59
Kacper
We're talking about the best team team team from Poland and we're going to do for them to make them lot things, we're going to do it for them to make them a lot of things, we're going to do it open source, which be in the corporate companies. So there are many things like slum, like milionaries, which I've been doing from my which I've doing.
The Open Core Model
00:53:23
Kacper
We will do things that will be a commercial use as open core I is open, a is
00:53:57
Kacper
that Core will doing this kind stuff, using open using it to I a
00:54:17
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
00:54:25
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
00:54:27
Kacper
and people who are creating this license nienia dot na brand, and they are also talking about the the best support for the application React Native, they go to company Colstack has these things maintain and has IP, has their technology, their people and they pay for it and they pay for it and they are happy.
00:54:43
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm.
00:54:45
Monika Borycka
know
00:54:52
Kacper
And here I see that this model is just Open core plus uswugi jako ścieżka do tworzenia wartościowych produktów działa. that's
00:55:01
Monika Borycka
It's a
00:55:30
Monika Borycka
to say that all things you have mentioned,
00:55:48
Monika Borycka
Link do Fabryki AI, dot da gomitic nago disccor they do
00:56:01
Monika Borycka
Natomiast taki core message i w ogóle takie może call to action
00:56:12
Kacper
That's what sounds a propaganda you can just things,
00:56:32
Kacper
when you rush experiment to the bill po is has will to numbers rano for kaza It's the only option to be to to
00:56:46
Monika Borycka
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:57:33
Monika Borycka
So generally, in short, you have to things, not to be AI lab,
00:58:06
Kacper
call, a update,
Conclusion and Call to Action
00:58:08
Kacper
status.
00:58:08
Monika Borycka
have
00:58:09
Kacper
So I just want to go to Slayer.fabryka.ai. I think we will have a... we will have a link to... but um so pop potan podcast beno link key back toer hippogubu e not way whope meam movieter I to on Discord, that,
00:58:30
Kacper
eat a bragner
00:58:31
Monika Borycka
Kacper is super, I agree.
00:58:33
Kacper
No, no, no, no,
00:58:43
Kacper
and good edit ja present include the the sta feedback e ira thetanishev scarche he proposed to the boin vi the raina personality personality poagganya daswanikasli also berato take the onceer map pravo across the peacea the daminianavamoga kuen tawi for numberta le founddo baibilityluja monida near va kidiam
00:59:01
Monika Borycka
No, no, no, no,
00:59:02
Kacper
okay ma ah maagia i don know almost there a treat sittoite nioviare house isen nimo chippogopi turka kostrav paddaa pitoamev for the pervada but uvasamza
00:59:07
Monika Borycka
neupag
00:59:14
Kacper
scar summar that ra beach raha sister kaorta and nara traorna ramachish rabita but pai ramach stripre stgochaam who had the pink no idabra per emmami there's also feel as a fishni to type but positive raviam pet tren tare and fes afana chaga tiny not word negativeov Strukturalnie, if think I'm just thinking, the organization of this project reminds me our toolkit of exploitation, we have to build AI,
00:59:52
Kacper
ray ruby my plant thats yeahto teleancy and that that set of tag
00:59:58
Monika Borycka
Fantastic data set, wspaniale. I tym optymistycznym akcentem myślę, że skończymy. Ja dziękuję Ci bardzo i mam nadzieję, to nie jest ostatnie spotkanie z osobami, które praktykują AI, a nie tylko wbijają statusy, czy piszą o tym newslettery, ale naprawdę robią rzeczy.
01:00:16
Monika Borycka
No i co? No i do usłyszenia.
01:00:19
Kacper
Do us, pozdrawiam.