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Season 4- Episode 17- A Whole Lot of Meh (Premiership Round 11)
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It is the American rugby knuckleheads for one last ride in 2021. On this episode we dive into a couple big things hitting the pages this week. We discuss the new mandates in France that players traveling to the country will need to abide by, including for the 6 Nations. We also discuss the latest salary cap hogwash to be investigated in the Prem and what should have been done 3 years ago. Of course, we cover all the action from the return to the Premiership this past weekend. Pop open a couple and ring in the new year with a laugh, on us.
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Transcript
Introduction and Podcast Kickoff
00:00:08
Speaker
Hey, everybody. Welcome back. My name is Jared Dyke. I am Ben Glauser. Yes. Yes. Yes. Let's keep going.
Rugby Reflections and Match Cancellations
00:00:15
Speaker
Please talk about actually despite one match being canceled. Oops. It's been a it's been a long year to recap. Also that and some, you know, some actual explosive rugby in late December. So who do fun to see on Boxing Day and.
00:00:33
Speaker
the day after Boxing Day, if that is it. That probably has its own day, you know. Maybe it's got its own day somewhere. Yeah. Sure, it's something. Right. So yeah, smoke them if you got them. Drink them if I got them. That too. Find us on your favorite podcast app, download rate review, subscribe, all that good stuff. Share with your friends. You know, even if it's just something that you thought five minutes of was good.
00:01:03
Speaker
Let them know, let us know. And we'll try and repeat it.
Acknowledging Contributors and Rugby Fantasy Insights
00:01:09
Speaker
Actually pouring a beer today. Yeah. Could you be at all fancy? Well, you know, a good friend of mine's mother went out of her way to make me a. Oh, I suppose my boss. Look at that. Look at that.
00:01:30
Speaker
So I should put it into good use. Yes, you should. Buy a friend George's fancy where we get your coffee. If you're doing all right this past weekend, then he was probably a primary reason, especially those of you that might be listening to this and also do the URC fantasy because it sounds like that went sideways like hell. If you picked up on anything for that or enjoy his content for whatever reason, buy the man a coffee and
00:01:56
Speaker
show your appreciation for, especially this time of year. Um, if you don't normally buy him a coffee, uh, this is the, this is an excellent time to do. So just to show your appreciation for the year, kind of, you know, like tipping your barber and whatnot. Those of you who have hair, I assume that's what you do. I've been in the barber forever, man. I don't look good. I don't do anything. I'm not, I'm not that fancy.
00:02:19
Speaker
I used to go to people who cut hair back when I had some. Once upon a year. Yeah. All right.
Fantasy Rugby Strategies and TRM Upgrades
00:02:30
Speaker
DRM upgrades. That's very helpful, obviously, especially this past weekend where.
00:02:34
Speaker
You had to know, all right, guys, in guys that we're in are now not playing. So yeah, a lot of last minute drops. I I learned of Willis dropping because I looked at my team one last time and was like, oh, hey, look at that. I should fix that. That's now a red dot. That's not good. Yeah. It was like, what the fuck is your red dot for? So immediately check the Twitter's.
00:02:57
Speaker
Twitter's confirmed that he was dropped. That shit doesn't happen if, you know, if you don't have your TRM upgrades. So agreed points right there. Yeah, I was able to rotate him out as well. Yeah. All right. I had to I had to bring in Vaya Fafita. Oh, no. Oh, yeah. Because that was that's so terrible right there. Oh, my. What am I going to do? Yeah.
Tribute to Desmond Tutu and Podcast's Anti-Racism Stance
00:03:22
Speaker
As always on this podcast, Black Lives Matter, and there is no room for racism. And we had the tragic passing of Desmond Tutu this past week, just good outpouring of love for him, which was nice to see. Of course, one of the OGs of BLM type stuff, you know, active fighter against apartheid and injustice and
00:03:48
Speaker
We need people like that. We don't need to be losing people like that. Although, you know, we have it's, you know, rest well. He did such a great job. So it's not I'm not trying to say you need to stick around and fight some more. No. Well done. Well earned rest for a very hardworking man and someone, you know, who made the world a better place. Yeah, I need more people like that around and less people around like some of the other helmets we've seen out there.
00:04:18
Speaker
Uh, yeah. You know, all right.
Supporting the Podcast and Patreon
00:04:21
Speaker
Um, and don't, Hey, don't forget, if you haven't spent any money, money on the money on the stuff we talked about before, get our Patreon. We have it out there. Um, hopefully the, I'd say the analytics that people have served them well at this point.
Fantasy Rugby Analytics and Player Decisions
00:04:36
Speaker
I think so. I'm still seeing a whole bunch of new things and making decisions that I would not have made otherwise. Right. So that certainly helped me this week. I mean, you were top four. I was in the 50s. And now I'm back. I'm up to top 40 overall. Right.
00:04:57
Speaker
you know, Mark is still getting into it. So he'll, he'll, he'll come along. Yeah, the other guys are doing well too. And it's, there's like, I made the decision. I had this whole plan. I was going to go drop two for one and pick up Makov in a poll until I looked at the analytics that I helped to create. And I was like, wait a minute. No, Vincent Koch is actually a better option. He's cheaper and
00:05:26
Speaker
Um, his, his, uh, you know, metrics, even though you look at it and you're like, Oh, Marco's got a higher score, but cock actually scores higher per man. He's, he's a much more productive prop for, for, for less money. So, um, that helps me out. Right. So it's like, okay, cock. Yeah, he exactly, he won't, he won't go away for six nations. Um, any of that, like, no, he's, he's in it for the hall and, um, help me add, uh,
00:05:57
Speaker
Ollie Hassell Collins too, which is just more fucking points. It really helps you focus your spending on effective players. And something I didn't notice until not too too long ago. Duncan was manager of the month last month in TRM.
00:06:18
Speaker
Oh, my. Yeah, I did not notice that. Did not notice that until I was two. I just happened to be dubbing around on it. I was like, oh, hello. I know that guy. So well, hell. Yeah, really, really well done. That's that's not that's not fucking bad. No, not at all. Well done, sir. All right. Moving
Impact of France's Vaccine Policy on Six Nations
00:06:35
Speaker
on. New cycle. Whoo hoo. Plenty to talk about, of course. Thank you. New cycle.
00:06:40
Speaker
France has a new as a government in a country has a new vaccine vaccine policy. And it's gonna probably affect the next month's European matches, but it also is probably gonna play into effect for six nations. And with I believe England is going to Paris this year. Sladey. Oh, hello, Henry Slade, you might have to get
00:07:06
Speaker
get that jab or you're missing out on that match. And this is not the, this is not the cupcake that France were probably six years ago. This is now a fucking complete pain in the ass. You don't want to go to Paris and get shit tonked.
00:07:19
Speaker
Right. Um, or, you know, you certainly don't want to lose your spot on a team because you didn't get jabbed. So that's, that's silliness. Yep. Yeah. And it's across all sports as well. So like legal, which is the pretty league there like that. Yep. That you got to do it there too. So responsibility. It's like, fuck.
00:07:41
Speaker
My wife's like, can they do that? I'm like, throw them fucking country. Of course they can do that. We can do that here. If we really wanted to, we could do that here, but we choose not to. Well, that's not going to happen. Yeah.
Personal Pandemic Challenges
00:07:54
Speaker
That would be too easy, right? Right. I was having that conversation with my mom. So my mom tested positive over the holidays. But she's OK. She's OK. Yeah, she's all right.
00:08:11
Speaker
We're like, oh fuck, cause we saw her on the 21st and we're like, all right, well, okay, let's check it. You know, let's, so we took a test adjustment. I took a test the other day and we're both negative, both feel fine. We're both boosted too. And it's like, how the fuck does this, like my mom is the most careful person around it.
00:08:30
Speaker
But like, you know, we're trying to get tests. We can't find tests. We're trying, you know, there's. Yeah, that's a huge problem here. How is it possible that we are that fucked that like and she's like, hey, if you need to get your N95 mask, you know, the cloth ones you have aren't good enough. So, you know, gets get the end. I'm like, well, OK, how how hard is that? And they're like, she's like, yeah, you just need to come in a little bit. It's like how the. You know, we
00:09:00
Speaker
Right. So it's nice to see other countries taking this fucking seriously and actually, you know, being smart about it instead of being like, yeah, you just get what you can if you can. Good luck. So good love. Super, super happy to see what France is doing. Yeah. Other news and I'm going to start by saying I am not going to rag on
00:09:26
Speaker
lesser or anything like that, because I remember what it was like. And there's no need. There's no I am maintaining. I believe I am maintaining extreme consistency on this. When I say for the record.
00:09:43
Speaker
Who gives a fuck? Correct. And also what I will say, as I said to the group, is I think this just goes to show that violating salary caps doesn't necessarily mean you're going to win. So all the bitching about like, oh, Saracen is only one because of the salary cap. Well, OK, what's Lester's excuse?
Salary Cap Controversies: Lester vs. Saracens
00:10:04
Speaker
Right. Those aren't good teams. And yet they're over the cap. So, no, Rob Baxter, it's more than that. Although Rob Baxter is being a fucking cunt about this again, too. Yeah. But either way, it's like, no, your team is successful or not successful mostly if you're a quality coach, not
00:10:24
Speaker
the minor salary cap violation. So I couldn't give a shit. I hope for the prem that Lester doesn't get. But this comes to nothing. Just fucking, I'll eat the Saracen stuff, whatever. Can we just not do stupid shit again like that?
00:10:40
Speaker
And the other thing was like, and it was said when the Saracens thing came out, like, everybody should be a little bit more transparent about this shit at this point, you know, let's be a little more, you know, honest and transparent about what's going on, because you should open up everybody's books when the Saracens had the hammer come down on them, like, that's just plain facts, you know, and whether it's by
00:11:01
Speaker
I don't think there was anything malicious done in this situation either. OK, let's just go go on record by saying that. I think it was probably something a little stupid, a little bit foolish. Right. And it was a it was like a just a big moment of joy. Yeah. And, you know, it'll yeah, I agree. I hope it comes to nothing and we can fucking get get on with it. And then, yes, PRL should have everybody open up their books. Mm hmm.
00:11:28
Speaker
Although I do I do want to say there was one piece that was written about it and they're talking about and I and as I understand it or talk about what happened with the Saracens, as I understand it, the Saracens initial points deduction was increased, not because they wouldn't open up the books.
00:11:45
Speaker
It was because they wanted to be sure the Saracens came in last because the championship clubs were making us think about, oh, you should send two teams down because the Saracens are supposed to be able to get in the last place team. So the premier ship and PR all wanted to make sure they came in last. So because they were about to dig themselves out. So, yeah, they were. They were. They were kind of shitting themselves. So as I understand it, that's how it is. It was not because they were not docked for their points because they didn't open up.
00:12:14
Speaker
So that's what that's the way I understand it. No, it was I thought it was because they hadn't appropriately. I mean, maybe that was the cover story. But then the reality is what you say. But
00:12:29
Speaker
I thought it was that they found, oh, you still hadn't completely unfucked yourself and you're on a timeline to unfuck yourself. But it hadn't happened yet. Whatever doesn't matter. I mean, I think the facts are a little bit flip flop. That's all like they're going to have to do something to Lester just to you know, they can't they can't do what I said. They've already set the standard. They're going to have to punish Lester.
00:12:55
Speaker
Yeah, that's bullshit. So this team shouldn't be certainly this team made up of a lot of people who were not there at the time. Shouldn't I get punished for what happened then? These guys are, you know, fuck, you know, it was different when it was Saracens because it was like, no, it was at the time it was what was happening right then and there. That's one thing with this. It's like, oh, you got to go back three or four years.
00:13:20
Speaker
you know, Genj wasn't there, you know, you know, a lot of their best players, yeah, Ford and Youngs were there, but like, who else? Like Coley, but yeah, they're old heads. So, no. Right. Just move on from it. Right. Suspend Tomás Lavanini and be done with it.
00:13:42
Speaker
That'll be enough. Everybody can agree with that. Wet and down. Oh, man. Yeah, just slap his suspension on that guy. Right. You were there. Is this your fault? OK, good. Done.
Bristol vs. Leicester Match Recap
00:13:55
Speaker
All right. Let's dive into Bristol and Leicester. A little more Bristol. Could have used a little bit more. Could have used, you know, I've been banging on the guy.
00:14:11
Speaker
for like a couple of weeks now. And there are players who, you know, they get a taste of the internationals and they kind of just
00:14:23
Speaker
crumble a little bit. And I feel like, I feel like sheeties is reaching that, or maybe it was just something over the summer or something. It's just not going right. Um, yeah, one of those penalty kicks towards the end was difficult. The one from, from the, the touchline area, but there was one that was like bang on dead in front. And he, yeah, he honked it. And I was like, Oh, that's, that's three points. That's game. I knew they were in trouble. And when he honked that, I was like, Oh, like,
00:14:50
Speaker
Yeah, I didn't didn't like it. Right? Yeah, I was. Yeah, I was pleased with a lot of what we saw. The person I was the most pleased with, and I think for about 70 percent, probably about 75 percent of the time he was on the field with his his opposite number, he outplayed him. And there were definitely some moments where he went, you went, what are you doing?
00:15:14
Speaker
with him. But Harry Randall, I thought was definitely a little bit more the old Harry Randall that we fell in love with that got him the England call up and all that. So I he looked a lot better. Love this attack. He probably he obviously needs to work on his kicking game. That's not a new thing. Right. Even if he can improve it just a little bit. Forget it. He is he's an international nine all day.
00:15:34
Speaker
Yep. So yeah, I thought he had a pretty damn good match. I thought Fitz Harding is showing really well. He's so good. He's definitely a lot of what's going on in the back row of
00:15:50
Speaker
Bristol is not being talked about because one, Ben Earl is not there anymore. And two, Nathan Hughes hasn't been playing either. So no, but still like you can ignore it. Like there's a lot good things going on in this back row. He's definitely right up there at the top of the list. So, you know, I love him. And you heard Pat Lamb talk about him quite quite quite glowingly. So lots of good things going on in that back row for the guys at Ashton Gate.
00:16:19
Speaker
On the other side. On the side of the coin. You know, they were losing by quite a bit when they took Ben Young's out. Just saying. Just saying. It's not that Wiggles is anything special, but. Right. I think he does. Yeah, I feel like he's the more solid scrum half right now. He's old steady Eddie. He always has Ben. Right.
00:16:44
Speaker
The, um, the from the front row battle was very interesting here. You know, two guys are going to be teammates at some point here, but yeah.
Leicester's Scrum Dominance and Player Performances
00:16:53
Speaker
Like Sinclair was getting crushed by Foley for no reason. Yeah. Um, it was bad. There was a lot of those, those early calls were not, not good.
00:17:08
Speaker
And Genge was just total shithouse about it. That was, that was fun to watch. Like that, yeah, you're right. I mean, that's what he does. Well, let's be real. If you're going to shithouse somebody as a front row, Kyle Sinclair is the guy you're going to shithouse. Like him and Joe Marlow are at the top of the list. Like, let's be real about that, you know, if we're being serious about this. Right.
00:17:29
Speaker
And so, like, Sinclair's already mad at the ref, and he knows he can't say anything. And Genge is there to say, oh, you know, you'll get him next time, mate. Just totally winded him up. Super wind up, man. Like, yeah, you know, you did it. And like, even though he knows, like, Genge knows that the ref just botched the call. But he's, you know, he's just telling people all about it. Like, yeah, yeah, you did that. You totally did. You know, you did that. Sinclair's like, bitch, you know what? Both of us know that's not what happened.
00:18:00
Speaker
Motherfucker, but there's nothing he can say. Nope. That wasn't a whole lot of you do, unfortunately. Oh, there's not there's not much that we can do. You know, if I told you there was a yellow card in this game.
00:18:14
Speaker
Would you have a guess at who it was even if you didn't see it? I did. No, we can prove that because of our texts. Oh, true. I could only watch one match. I was watching on my iPad at the mother-in-laws, you know, sneaking off, basically. I mean, they don't believe in rugby? Yeah, I know. So,
00:18:34
Speaker
I couldn't watch the, you know, I've switched over to the saris match, uh, but halftime of this one. And so you're telling me, cause you have it on the little screen that, oh yeah, there's a card for, for tigers. And I'm like, I think Jasper, huh?
00:18:47
Speaker
Yes, of course. God, it was just a stupid one. It's like, this is totally unavoidable. Why did you do that, you idiot? Oh, God, it was more difficult on your on your team. Like, come on, man. For all the good he does, he's always he's one of those guys you can bank on a card, unfortunately. And that's just not a great way to go about life. So no, it's not. Yeah. You want to fix that just a little bit.
00:19:11
Speaker
But Lester showed some champion, you know, DNA and did not quit in any way, shape or form and got it over the line in the freaking God, was it fifth minute or red clock or something like that? Third.
Bristol's Tactical Decisions and Game Outcome
00:19:29
Speaker
Yeah. Still, they played five minutes right right through at the end. I was like, damn, that's tiring. There's nothing else.
00:19:36
Speaker
So I just don't know why Bristol, I think if I remember correctly, they kicked it away with a half left and it's like, just ended. You have, you know, you're, you're doing, you're going through the motions the right way. You're, you're killing it with, with the, not the picking goes, but the little, you know, the just off the scrum half picking pop. Yep. Right.
00:19:55
Speaker
Totally. And just eat the clock, eat the clock. You're waiting at the end. And they're like, no, it was okay. We've done this much. We'll just boot it away. It's like, no, don't. Keep the ball. That's what matters. Yeah, I'm more of a fan of keep the ball than boot it away for sure. No situations. So yeah, I mean, again, like I said,
00:20:17
Speaker
Bristol could have done with like two percent more of Bristol instead of what they got, because it was that close that they were almost able to knock over the undefeated Tigers at this point. But it was not to do so. And that's where we're at. Jumping over to the CBS, we obviously had the Newcastle and sale game called off, which was unfortunate, but such as his life.
00:20:45
Speaker
This is this is better for us. This is better, not better. I mean, I did not have Dan Frost on my bingo board, but, you know, especially especially scoring a fucking garbage. Well, somebody get that boy a footy contract. Right. A bunch of funny tries off of feet. This they were. Yes, they were. They were there were. But yeah, this is just another one.
00:21:15
Speaker
I mean, no, I don't understand why you wouldn't have Dan Frost in your bingo card. He's had like this. He's had six tries in the premise. He's been pretty good since he's come in. So not bad for the for the pirate. Yeah, kind of proven. And then wasps have not been all that great. But damn, if he's not scoring tries. No, I know it.
00:21:39
Speaker
We saw an interesting new piece of The Exile in Lucio Sinti and I like.
Promising Player Debuts and Performances
00:21:48
Speaker
I do like. I like that a lot. Yeah, that's kind of scary if you have
00:21:55
Speaker
You know, I know they have a couple of guys that are banged up now, but like also Collins, Parton, who I love, who I love those. So Rose been quite good. Although he's a little bit of a ball hog, um, motor who still, we haven't seen a whole lot of the season. And then this kid, Cindy, if he's got something like it's a nice little back five, you can pick from right there. You know, it's not bad. That's, that's, you know, that's, there's just talent oozing out of that team in the back. Um,
00:22:26
Speaker
just had a less dick of a 10. Stop doing that fucking shit to like, come on, man. Like a bullshit. Is it just me? Or is Matt Williams super lucky to have avoided a card? Oh, probably.
00:22:46
Speaker
I don't understand. I don't understand how that went to know nothing. Cause like they're talking about it. Like that didn't look natural of him to bring his foot up. Did it? No, it didn't look natural. He didn't have to do it. Okay. Well, he didn't have to do it. I mean, if it's I've, I've seen cards given for situations that looked more natural, you know? So I don't quite get it.
00:23:14
Speaker
I'm just like, that's probably a red. It wasn't anything. I was like, okay, I clearly need to either stop drinking or drink more. I don't know which one, right? You know, one of those two.
00:23:27
Speaker
Fuck me, I guess. And we have to talk about Huard out on the wing, almost getting it down. Yeah. But very like, you know, OK, he's not quite the we saw a lot of scrum halves on the wings this week with Huard and then with with Ben White. Ben White, that's all I do. Yeah. Oh, it was in this match, actually. Shit, it was in this match. And White scored the try at the end. But yes, yes, yes. But yeah, just
00:23:55
Speaker
Yep. I mean, good to see you still coming. Good. Yeah. And we knew he was good, but he, unfortunately he's just stuck in a log jam of players that were at the Saracens and nothing to be done. So I have no qualms about him leaving. He needs more playing time and then totally agreement. So.
00:24:12
Speaker
The fact that he's getting some plank or some run here, good on you kid. I'm a hundred percent cheering for him. So I do enjoy watching him. He's, he's, he is rather talented. So yeah, really good stuff. Um, yeah, this is the loss we need. Um, unfortunately, I have Jacob boomer. So it looks like Jimmy got was going to run a 10 for a little bit. Oh, I think it's going to be, um, Atkinson.
00:24:36
Speaker
Oh, is he back? He's going to be back. Yeah. Is he healthy? Yeah. All right. Cool. I'm all right with that. Yeah. Yeah. I was just reading about that today that no, they're they're keeping Gotper the 12. I feel like that's a good place for him because he can steady the young heads that are that are playing 10 there. Yeah, it's going to be super valuable this week, too. I think so, too. Yeah, I agree.
00:24:57
Speaker
I agree. I agree. I agree. Cause they play, who are they playing the possums again? Oh, they're playing sale. So somebody's going to have to stop too. We, I think, um, sounds like he's going to be healthy soon. So, so yeah. Keep your hands on kids. Right. All right. Let's go up to the stone X and
00:25:17
Speaker
I mean, not quite the same score line as the last time these two met in this fixture, but not far off either. No, I mean, and you looked at that Worcester scored the last three tries. Yeah, which 69, 34 and 77. Right. Like the game was over.
00:25:36
Speaker
Right. Saracens at that point, we're just having fun. Which I think is the right thing to do. They played it the right way. And Wooster are a team that struggles to score even on, you know, tries that are up on a platter for them. So really, I was happy. I was happy for that. You know, it's easy to be, you know, I think, no, it wasn't quite this match where I was like, where's the defense? But no. Fucking Barry's were crushing it. And good on Wooster for finishing.
00:26:05
Speaker
that's really the big thing for me is that they finished and that's good. The prem needs Wooster to not...
00:26:14
Speaker
suck as bad as they've sucked. So this is good. So funny enough, they're actually not even in last, which is very funny. And they could they could lose like the next two or three matches. They still wouldn't be in last. Yeah, which is wild. Right. Well, that's because the prem also needs bath to not suck. Oh, I know. They're not getting that. So that's not happening. No, they're not. Lots of and there was a lot to like, you know, obviously,
00:26:43
Speaker
The Venipolas are celebrating their new contracts with a good performance from both of them, especially Big Bill.
00:26:52
Speaker
if there's a guy that's going to wear the 15 shirt for, or one of the back three shirts, the 15 shirts, Freddie stewards, let's be real with us. But for England, Max Malins has to be involved in that back three, like somewhere. Just like we're saying with Marcus Smith, and there's like some sort of the magic about it. Malins has that too. He, like, and even Tyron Green is you're saying like, these, these are guys who,
00:27:20
Speaker
When they get the ball, they have a plan to make the first man miss and then they'll figure it out from there. But they get that fundamental thing of make the first man miss. It's rare when you see a fullback dance about a little bit and then, okay, I'm going to take this gap and then get fucking double tackled by two props. And it's like,
00:27:44
Speaker
What the fuck were you looking at? Where were you going? Dumb dumb. Right. You don't see that with mail-ins just like, you know, you don't see that with, with green and guys that are smart like that. You don't see it with Stewart so much either. So it's like, yeah, like these are the guys you need to have. And plus once they beat that first man miss, they usually make the second man miss too. Cause the second man's like, Oh, the first guy's got him. No, you're not. Um,
00:28:10
Speaker
You know, you gotta be ready because he's going to, he's going to dance around that guy. And then now he's really gone. You're in trouble. If you don't stop him, once he gets a little bit of momentum on him. Right. Um, Saracen's got their first look at the man they called Duhan and realized that he's probably not very fun to play against. No, he's not. Oh man. Like I said earlier, he's.
00:28:31
Speaker
Fuck, he's trouble. He's, you know, there were a couple of times where it was like, okay, they got him bottled up and he's just like, I'm going to know if I, you don't have me bottled up if I can run this guy over. Oh yeah, that's right. You can do that. You can do that. You're like flanker sized. Fuck. Yep. Not great. Not great.
00:28:52
Speaker
So, yeah, I mean, a cruiser in a lot of ways for the Saracens. And after, you know, the last match that they played in the premise, probably just what the doctor ordered. Right. I'm sure I'm sure Western doesn't feel that way. So we'll see how things go this coming weekend for their trip over to the gardens. So we'll see.
00:29:15
Speaker
I thought there, there, there was a lot of promise from Ted Hill had a good game, which was his first in
Worcester's Improvement and Player Highlights
00:29:20
Speaker
a while. I thought, yeah, agreed. And that's big. And Joe Batley, um, had a fucking massive match. Yeah. Good for him. Like he's like 23 or something like that. So not too bad. Yeah. Something to be excited about there for them. Definitely. He's, he's kind of kicked around a little bit. No, he's 25. So still.
00:29:38
Speaker
could develop into something for a couple of years here. But totally, totally, totally. Everybody has a couple of good years that they can kind of boost themselves a little bit better. All right. Over to the rec.
00:29:54
Speaker
still a lot of questions to be answered over over for the. Oh, I don't think they need to be. I think they are answered. They have been answered. Yeah, not in a good way, at least. No, not. Yes. Yeah. But some of them in a good way. Orlando Bailey, I think. Right. And that was a good thing to see.
00:30:13
Speaker
That's somebody I want. There is promise for this kid. There's a lot of promise for this kid. I like a lot of what I see in him. He's not Marcus Smith. Marcus Smith is a once-in-a-generation talent.
00:30:25
Speaker
You know, Marcus Smith's the World Cup winner. Orlando Bailey is not. Can he be the 10 of your club's future? 100%. 100%. I would let it, I would let that ride. And I know they have, you know, they have sips and then I think she and Schumann still part of the equation, but he's still hurt. So that's right.
00:30:44
Speaker
There's that there. But yeah, ride this kid out. You know, Bailey Bailey could be like growing pains with the growing pains. Is he a Marcus? You're right. He's not a Marcus Smith, but he he shows flashes of Marcus Smithdom, which is fucking good. Not many tends to. Yep. Yep.
Gloucester's Developments and Key Contributions
00:31:03
Speaker
For Gloucester, like last year was not great. We all know this. But this is quite the machine towards Skivington's building here.
00:31:14
Speaker
It has to be said, you know, like with the likes of, you know, they brought in Adam Hastings, which was a very wise and like, not as pumped up move as it should have been. I thought it was brilliant. And also his Scotland teammate, Chris Harris, who's
00:31:32
Speaker
I appreciate that man as much as everybody else does. Appreciation Society only grows. Yeah, it only grows. There's a lot to like about what's going on with the Sherry and White and people at King's Home, rightly, should be excited.
00:31:49
Speaker
I agree. I mean, they're, they're in position to make some noise. They're, you know, they're together and they're in fourth, and they were able to actually, you know, they're three points to the good and fourth. You better. Yeah. Right. So, and Saracens have scenes coming up. Yes.
00:32:13
Speaker
Like, so right there, you have to, you know, for Gloucester is like, wow, you know, they have a chance to really solidify their, their position is in fourth year this weekend. Correct. Um, so this is, but this is a match that they have to, they had to do what they did. So like that, and that's, that's important. They got the job done. You know, it wasn't always pretty, um, but sometimes it was very pretty. Oh, sometimes there was some great stuff about that. Like.
00:32:42
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, Harris is definitely a defensive demon that we know, but like, still can get done at the other side of the ball as well. So, yeah. Yeah, couple tries. So, tries. We talked about the unsung hero of Airways Fantasy team, but he's really the unsung hero of the Gloucester team. That's Freddie Clark.
00:33:03
Speaker
All he does is make tackles. Yeah. Like made 19 tackles. Good. Missed zero. Zero. Like 19 for 19. Right. There are guys that are talked about at that level that are international players. So just so you know, like the guy's good. Right. You know, so don't take that away from him. Jack Singleton's quietly having a good season as well. That mall was
00:33:29
Speaker
devastating, just fucking devastating. Yeah. And so there's a lot of good things going on. And there is bright spots of bath. Like you saw it in the first half, especially like if this team had just a little bit more discipline and a little bit more confidence.
00:33:43
Speaker
This would have been a game. Right. They don't have either right now. And that's solved. That's really one can be solved on the pitch, like on the training pitch. That's fine. The other one, unfortunately, is only going to come by playing. And that's part of the whole thing that they're dealing with right now. Yeah. And it would have been different, too, if Bass didn't eat a double yellow. Yeah, that did not help.
00:34:04
Speaker
And that was bad. And Alice, I thought that was smart. Like, you know, they could have been Spencer's yellow, eventually went to Alice, but it's like, yeah, you can't do two, it's like, it was a, the two of them combined are the yellow and really, Carly was annoyed at that point. Yes, he was. And I thought he did the right thing. And it was also the least, you know, he took off, you take off the six rather than the nine, just to show like,
00:34:28
Speaker
I was nice to you. Deal with it. Yeah, exactly. You can't complain. You can't be like, he should. You didn't deserve a card. It's like, well, your nine did. So which would you rather have on? Yeah, which would you rather? Oh, okay. You can take Alice, please. Yeah. The worst position to lose on the field is without a doubt the nine. The 10's up there as well, but the nine is definitely that. Yeah, we kind of saw that at the end of the Quinn's match. Right. Right. That was good. Okay. The Saints will take that trade. Totally.
00:34:53
Speaker
and uh but yeah so then voice right afterwards getting pinged um yeah um yeah i love listening to him and stewart fucking just it's so much fun that was fun that was just so much fun listening to those two idiots talk um so yeah lots of there's still good things going on at the rec
Bath's Potential and Discipline Issues
00:35:16
Speaker
They need to figure out how to piece them together. Yeah. And they can start putting results on the board. Right. Because Bailey is a good thing. Underhill is a good thing to do on the court, though. We're going to play at 11 minutes. Head, wrong side, bro. Head, wrong side. Very wrong side. Steert. Not how you do it. Steert is just looking. Steert! Yeah, he's looking like he's back in play again. And Dunn, Dunn showed up, I thought, pretty reasonably well, too.
00:35:46
Speaker
And you still have a Jomo, you still have these guys who are coming up. Yeah, he only shows some flashes for sure. I really like what I saw him. Lots to be lots to like about this just right. And when mirrors suspension is up, you know, McConaughey's back, you know, I would love to see a McConaughey a Jomo. And
00:36:07
Speaker
and Muir in the back line there. Joseph and Andy Lambville. I think that's a great back line right there. It could be coming. How nervous do you think Mike Williams was when he saw all those cards going around that not to him? Please no, please no.
00:36:29
Speaker
It's one of those like, just pull your collar up over your face. It's not me. It's not me. It's not me. And walk away. Duck and hide. Duck and hide. Tie your shoe. One of those, definitely.
00:36:43
Speaker
All right. Let's jump over to Twickenham, not the stoop, Twickenham. I think we can probably mention beforehand, there were a few fuckups with the the women's side of the big game. The jerseys not quite fitting, right? Because they were the men's sizing or men's cut jerseys. Serving lunch before. And yeah, just some things that didn't quite add up. If you really want to respect the women's game, you got to do it a little bit better.
00:37:12
Speaker
And and I. Yeah, I'm happy and it's one of those, like, OK, these are these these problems are better, like, OK, yes, this problematic a B on the bright side. It's these are better problems to have than we have had in the past and it's going in the right direction. And I think that it's being worked on. It's being.
00:37:35
Speaker
um communicated in the appropriate manner it's like really it's like come on guys do better you know it's not even like you can't even get this right it's actually like everybody's like you guys know better you can do better let's let's let's solve this next time how about you know they probably didn't even think about it they because it you know it's some committee here or there it wasn't really thinking yeah but the whole thing is like oh this is what we normally do so we'll just do this it's like
00:38:00
Speaker
white haired old fucks. Right. Like, hey, there's another match going. Yeah, because it is that it is that generation that never gave a fuck about women's rugby and always considered it like, you know, nothing. So of course they're going to keep doing it. But not if they're made to not do it. And I think that's in the in the direction that that's going. Right. Right. Right. But to the game.
Quinns vs. Saints: A High-Scoring Encounter
00:38:24
Speaker
Rather good.
00:38:26
Speaker
rather good. And unfortunately, where's the defense? Unfortunately, no, they have to deserve better than this. Honestly, they, they deserve something from this match. They really did. And unfortunately they didn't get it. Yeah, that's just how it goes. Well, so here's what I thought it was an interesting move. Um, and I, I noted it for, for later when they went, so it was a, obviously a tri-fight, um, very much a tri-fight.
00:38:55
Speaker
Until, kind of like what, 30, let me go look at the timeline, for Bigger's first penalty kick. 30 minutes in, yeah, it's 33 minutes in. And I think at that point it's like 21, 21 or something. And so, yeah, they kick a penalty and it's like, okay, that did kind of calm the game down a little bit, but,
00:39:24
Speaker
you know, then Dombrandt scores, and then they kick another penalty, you know, bigger kicks, another penalty. And it's like, you're bringing penalty kicks to a tripod. Now, you know, if it has the intended what you want it to do there, you know, in a perfect world, you kick that penalty and it kind of like, it's almost like you're in like a fucking street brawl and you just kind of slap the guy.
00:39:47
Speaker
And it's like, wait, what? It's like, you didn't, what's it? It might, it might like. Or like, or like you give him a purple nurple or something. Like, dude, like, all right, no, this is not that kind of fight. I'm done. I'm out. It was 21 all when he kicked that.
00:40:06
Speaker
Yeah. So it's like you could calm things down in a way and kind of get you that mental edge. It's like, what the fuck is it? Like, I don't want to fight a guy who's got a purple nurple. It didn't have that effect. It only was like, oh, OK, you can do that. I'm just going to keep scoring tries and throwing punches to me. That was why you do that. Yeah. Like, all right. Have fun with that. Like you wasted your your opportunity to do that. So it was interesting gambit, especially when you're the away team.
00:40:36
Speaker
Um, but no, it didn't work and it just kind of went South after that. It did. Um,
00:40:44
Speaker
And then they didn't even get the bonus point try. So it's like, you're right. They didn't come away with anything. And it's like, well, you were scoring tries when you wanted to, and then you stopped wanting to. I don't, you know, Northampton still have not learned the lesson. I thought they did. You know, they even mentioned it at the beginning. They're like, this is a different Northampton team. They're going for tries instead of for points. And the first few bits they did. And then they flipped it 30 minutes in and it's like, don't, no, no, no, no. Unless you can back it up, unless you can just say, we're shutting you down. You know, that's what the marker is.
00:41:14
Speaker
Um, but then Dom Brant's like, okay, I'll just scored just try. Yeah. And it was for a while. It was a battle of the forwards and specifically the eights, the man they call truck from, uh, from Northampton. And obviously our, our, our, our boy Dom just yeah. Fight everybody in the forward pack, fight it out. Right. Four tries in 15 minutes and all of them are forward tries.
00:41:43
Speaker
That's, um, yeah, that's, that's some good, uh, 15 Zuri right there. Ultimately, cause it was open. It wasn't like, these were, you know, good forward tries. These were, you know, fuck. I mean, what? I guess just one where he, um, it was like off of food and he was on sides and. Yeah. We talked about like some funny kick ones. Like that was, that was one of them. I was like, he's on. I was like, as long as that came off.
00:42:07
Speaker
Nobody else. It's fine. Sure enough. You know, I think it was Furbank who was able to kind of just scrape it off his foot. I was like, yep, that's clean. Let it go. And I was glad the refereeing team let it go too. They didn't like call it back. It sucked. Yeah.
00:42:23
Speaker
Yeah, and then you have and this is and this is honestly the way to deal with it. I was pissed that I was both my players, but you have the shit house three being dealt with properly by Wayne Barnes. Like, listen, yeah, if you fucking idiots keep doing this, I'm sending you both to the bin and the story. And sure enough, like, and I don't remember which one it was. Doesn't matter who started it. The both of them kept participating in it. And you've.
00:42:44
Speaker
knock the bullshit off and you don't end up in the bin. And right. It doesn't matter who you are. I don't care which player you are. I don't care what team you're on. Stop the bullshit and you don't end up on the fucking naughty step. That's the end of the story. You know, I mean, you got to expect it to be one of the nines, though, because nines are never fucking dickheads, right? Right. No, it's yeah, they live to be dickheads. So, of course, but care care just went a little over the over the line. And obviously, Hutch was was willing to join him there. And yeah.
00:43:13
Speaker
Yeah, you were willing to be there. Well, it's a Scottish temperament about him, I suppose. Is the best wing on this field, this game? I don't think there's even a question. It was Kate Marley. Oh, yeah. Oh, yes, he played. He had the best game. I will say that I feel like they involved him a lot more than they involved Lina.
00:43:40
Speaker
But there comes a point where you need to get your work rate in and get involved too. And Murley definitely did that. Right. Yeah. No, no question. I mean, there's no question about that. I feel like Linah, I feel like overall Linah is the better wing, but not you're certainly not on. He's lacking that want to get involved these days. And that's the unfortunate fact of it. And Murley is not. Murley is just like he's got the bit between his teeth and he is fucking not letting go.
00:44:07
Speaker
Like that dude is looking better and better every game. And in the end, like they took they took Marley off first, which everybody was like, I was like, what the fuck you doing? That's not the guy to take off. Right. You know, Jess was watching at this point and she's like.
00:44:22
Speaker
he doesn't, he's looking confused. He shouldn't be taken off. I'm like, he shouldn't be. And then they've kind of bit him in the end because they had, they ended up having only centers in their back. No, no. I was like, no, where are you going? No, no, no. Oh, God damn it. Yeah. I mean, um,
00:44:39
Speaker
Martian's not foreign to the wing, so that's not a big deal. Obviously. Yeah, that's OK. When your options are stick Northmore on the wing or a huge hose on the wing, you're like, we screwed up somewhere. Right. And that was their resourcing of the of the field. I think it must have been obviously a plan that Murley was only going to play a certain amount. I would hope that was part of it instead of taking them off for whatever reason they found. Right. Fifty three minutes in and he's having that kind of cracker.
00:45:07
Speaker
You better have a good fucking reason. You're doing the fuck you're doing. I'm still the fuck that I do. I know. Yeah, I don't know what the fuck you did, man. Sorry, kiddo. I'm with you on that one. Now, I don't know if it's because of something in particular, but they are loving.
00:45:32
Speaker
at the soup, Lewis Gautama, like we don't have, we don't, we don't have a Scott Steele starting for a while. And I don't know if that's because he's hurt or if it's because they love this kid. I'm not sure of either, but all I know is he's played, he's been in what, like every game since week, like three or four. I was like, okay. Um, yeah, I also hasn't started yet. So that probably speaks more to it. Um, but why would you, when you have Danny care, um,
00:46:03
Speaker
Yeah, very interesting for me with that. And that was just something I noted this weekend. Like, hmm, they really like this guy or they don't like the other guy or he's hurt. I don't know which one. I didn't quite understand why it was like they made a big deal. They were like, they, they, they weren't ready to put him in right away. And they were like, obviously giving him clear like instructions. Like this is what we want you to do. Don't fuck it up. And it's like,
00:46:28
Speaker
Let him play. Like, you know, he did all right in the Champions Cup. Like, I didn't think it was worthy of of that kind of like, you know, yeah, when it when it's like, oh, shit, who was that prop that came in?
00:46:44
Speaker
for the Quinn's recently. Either way, there's been plenty of new props. Yeah. You're just like, just strum and rock. Don't do anything the fuck else. Like that kind of thing. No, trust your nine. Your system's doing right. You know, everybody you're throwing in there from your system, not you Jones, from your system is doing really well. So trust it. Right.
00:47:10
Speaker
Yeah. So Quinn's still look very good. Saints. Quinn's look good. Saints got passive and bit them in the ass. And it bit them. It bit them hard. And they should, then hopefully this is now lesson learned. Don't be passive. Be aggressive. Yeah. That better be learned. Yep. So that's it for Prim Rugby in 2021.
00:47:37
Speaker
Wow, I'll miss it. Yep. Until Friday, or whatever. Saturday, Saturday. Yeah. And there's no Friday match. Yeah. So this will be the last time we talk about talk on this until the new year. So until
00:47:58
Speaker
2022. Yeah. Everyone be safe out there. Be smart. COVID is a thing. We're still in a pandemic. Is there really something to celebrate changing year after year at this point? It's all the same year. I mean, it feels like, it still feels like 2020. So until I feel like we've gotten away from the current status.
00:48:20
Speaker
somebody posted the other day, and it may even have been yesterday, that it was like today is actually March 666 of 2020. It's like, okay, yeah, I can believe that. That makes sense. Yeah, I know it. Right.
00:48:34
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Yep. I know it. I know it. So, but yeah, so it's just be safe. Don't get fucking Omicron. Just, you know, be smart for now. Yep. There'll be plenty of other, you know, and that's how there will be plenty of other new year celebrations. So enjoy it though. Use a designated driver and all that shit too. Yeah. But, uh, just the same for 2021. We appreciate everybody out there. That's.
00:48:59
Speaker
support us and, you know, listen to us babble for a wee bit here and there. Yeah, I've, I've been growing and growing on, on my, my enjoyment with this podcast, it hasn't actually gone the other direction, which is now it's more fun. For sure, there'd be a point where I get sick of it, that might still happen, but hasn't happened yet. So 2021, we appreciate you all. And yeah,
00:49:28
Speaker
Here's to your support. Yeah, we do appreciate it. So, yeah, here's to 2022 and hopefully getting the fuck out of this shit. Yeah. Cheers, folks. If you're joining us on the fantasy corner, we'll see you over there. Enjoy your 2021 New Year's and see you in 2022. Have a good one, folks. Take it easy. Later.