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Disscussing & Dissecting the 2023 Grammy Metal Nominees
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Today we have some metal news for you! We dissect and discuss the nominees for the 2023 Grammy Awards’ Best Metal Performance.
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Introduction and Grammy Discussion
00:00:10
Speaker
Hello and welcome back to Minds of Metal. My name is Dariam. And I'm Laz. And today we are talking about nominees for 2023 Grammy Awards. And we're going to be discussing metal performance. Yeah, best metal performance. The best metal performance. Nominees. So I did a bit of research and I found out what this meant. And it basically means the best metal performance is for new vocal or instrumental solo duo slash group or collaborative metal recordings.
00:00:40
Speaker
OK. Shall we begin? Shall we talk about it? Yeah. So what do you want to do? Should you say the five songs and then discuss them? Yeah. So I'm going to leave it on the screen as well for you guys to read. So we've got... No, you're all right. So we've got Muse's Kill or Be Killed track. You've got Ghost, Call Me Little Sunshine. We've got Ozzy Osbourne and Tony Iommi degradation rules. You've got Megadeth, We'll Be Back. And Turnstile, Blackout.
How Grammy Voting Works
00:01:07
Speaker
I found out sort of looking into the winning and voting process of the Grammys. And basically you have this company called NARAS, or N-A-I-S, which is the National Academy of Recording and Sciences. And this is a group of musicians and, well, I suppose musicians, recording artists, producers, and all that stuff that get together. And this is the group of people that decide who wins. Apparently there's a huge ballad.
00:01:36
Speaker
loads of performances that come in, and when we say performances by the way, that means a song. We were sat there thinking we need to find a live performance or something, but it's just the song. And they vote for them, then 10 get through and then the narrows people narrow that 10 down to five, but it's got to be per category.
Analyzing Nominees: Ghost and Turnstile
00:01:55
Speaker
So apparently you're only going to have metal, people who know metal deciding who goes through to the final five.
00:02:04
Speaker
I just know that. Supposedly. I just don't know that. But yeah, some of these things that have come in, I don't know, I look at this list and I think there's so much they've missed out. Yeah. Well, should we start with Ghost? Yeah. The song Call Me Little Sunshine. I think this is interesting because this is a this is a nomination that makes sense to me because Ghost have been one of these rising metal bands over the last few years. I find their music quite accessible. You can
00:02:31
Speaker
there's so many sort of genres that they go under you've got pop rock, prog rock, doom metal, heavy metal, psychedelic rock and you can actually hear all the elements of those genres in this one song so I think this is a kind of appropriate nomination. It is appropriate and you know when I was listening to the song literally from the moment I heard the intro I was like that's really strong Metallica vibes
00:02:56
Speaker
metallic interesting i did yeah you know the drum fills this is like it very much lars drum fills i hear that i mean they've in general not this song but in general they've got very sort of shades of black sabers judas priest pentagram in there as well and that's that kind of doom metal approach but they are very accessible and i think that's what the the key is for this is the
00:03:21
Speaker
I guess so, but there are more accessible songs on this list than Ghost. Which ones? Let's do that one next. Turnstile one is quite accessible. Yeah, don't love it.
00:03:35
Speaker
No, it's just more like 2000s punk to me. It sounds like Blink-182, Sum 41. Didn't I tell you? I was like, that just sounds like a band you'd listen to when you're a teenager. Yeah. Yeah. Like, you know, this teenage rock vibe. Yeah. I think I'm going to touch on it again when we get to one of the other nominations. But I wonder if this is their
00:04:01
Speaker
The thing with the Grammys is you've got to take it with a pinch of salt. You can't sit there and think, oh, well, the Grammys have told me that this is the best metal song of the year. So I think that too. It doesn't work that way. It's a bunch of people whose opinions are driving this forward. I don't think it should be done or voted for this way. I think it should be by album sales maybe, maybe a popular vote, maybe get asked the music fans to sign up and vote for what they want. I don't think you should leave it in the hands of 10 people who decide what's the best metal song.
00:04:31
Speaker
saw some comments about that on the internet today some people said that apparently it's done by album sales but i don't know i looked into it i didn't see anything like that i don't think so though because that really confused me to be honest well slipknot topped the chance of album sales a few months ago and they're not in this list i know this is why i was thinking about that so i'm not entirely sure yeah i don't think if we do
Modern Metal and Grammy Categories
00:04:58
Speaker
If we do a reaction video of the winner of this, then we'll try and get a bit deeper into it and find out how the winner was decided. But with this turnstile blackout thing, this is maybe... My whole point of saying that was that I wonder if the people who are voting for these things...
00:05:15
Speaker
have this idea of what modern metal is, because we're hearing in this modern metal, lights of Bring Me The Horizon, which are playing metal riffs, but with a lot of electronic sounds, a lot of production. And this gives off the same vibes. I mean, Bring Me The Horizon, the vocals are heavier. But I do kind of hear, I mean, the start of this song is like electronic beats, but with metal riffs playing over. Yeah. And I think maybe this is what they were trying to go for. Just find someone who sounds a little bit more
00:05:44
Speaker
Like modern, whatever that means. Well, the next song that kind of fills into this for me, actually, one more thing on that blackout thing I don't get is that the album was released in August, 2021.
00:05:58
Speaker
So I don't understand why it's being put onto the 2023 Grammy list. Again, maybe this suits certain agendas, maybe this suits certain narratives, maybe this band are pretty popular, and maybe someone wants them to win. Are they? Don't know, never heard of them. I'm not saying any corruption or anything, but I don't think it should be good. But anyway, in terms of moving on to the continuing this modern metal theme, the next one is Muse Kill or Be Killed.
00:06:26
Speaker
This is really interesting because the new album is... I quite enjoyed it. You've got elements of Muse from the last few albums but there is this obvious metal influence in there. Have you listened to the new album? It's heavy in places. I do agree with you. And do you know what? I really love the song. I really did and it has this electronic feel to it as well actually. But the new cars and drums
00:06:49
Speaker
rhythms are very mentally exactly yeah that's what i mean by this modern metal yeah if you're talking about keyboards and uh non-metally vocals being put over electronic beats which are then put over metal instrumentation is this what modern metal is maybe this is what the people at grammy want us to think yeah but then there's also sorry but then there's also this classic muse met bellamy singing yeah which everyone loves yeah and that
00:07:18
Speaker
i don't know maybe that also gives it the fact that the the vocals are not heavy yeah although there is three minutes in there is a heavy scream the mad bellamy does like a metal scream over a really
00:07:31
Speaker
big kind of drop, if that's what you call it, a metal breakdown, a metal drop, which I thought was really cool. It's interesting because it's drum and bass-y, but the verse rhythms and the music of the chorus is very metal. Then you've got that crazy guitar solo that Matt Bellamy does that literally could have been taken from a Van Halen album. Just thinking about why they were put in, and it's obvious to me, I mean, Muse are a household name, I think everyone knows who
Ozzy Osbourne's Nomination Debate
00:07:53
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Muse are.
00:07:53
Speaker
It does actually surprise me to see them on the metal performance list now. Yeah. It does. And lots of people said, what are they doing there? It's like the song has a right to be there, but I don't think it should be there ahead of others. Like we said, Slipknot. I mean, we'll talk more afterwards, but yeah. What do you want to do next? Well, have we got Ozzy? Yes. So the next one is the song called Degradation Rules by Ozzy Osbourne and Tony Iommi.
00:08:23
Speaker
What do you think? It's odd, again, because by name and by reputation, they deserve to be there.
Megadeth's Nomination Highlight
00:08:31
Speaker
For those who don't know, Ozzy Osbourne and Tony Iommi are Black Sabbath or half of Black Sabbath. And it's funny because the song has harmonica in, which is very hints to very, very early Sabbath. The song is The Wizard by Black Sabbath is a harmonica. So it's really funny hearing, you know,
00:08:52
Speaker
God, 52 years later, Tony Iommi and Ozzy Osbourne writing a song in the metal style with harmonica in it. So I found that funny. But overall, I mean, it doesn't really feel like heavy, heavy metal to me. It feels more like sort of hard rock, classic rock kind of thing. And you know, that harmonica gave me such like country rock feel in the verses. I don't know. There's just something about it. And again, I
00:09:19
Speaker
Why is it on the metal performance list? Because of Tony and Ozzy. Yeah, I get that, but it's about the music. It's not about the people. It's a, I think it's a light, heavy metal song. But again, the same thing I said with this, that I say with music, it's like there's others that should be. Yeah, I actually think music is heavier in this sense because music actually has rhythmically, there's more metal in there. Big drop, big screen, crazy guitar solo. I don't think that song was metal at all to me.
00:09:46
Speaker
I didn't actually... Are those light metal? But more on the hard rock side of things. But it's hard rock. Then the next song, which I think is the one that I think... Well, actually maybe Ghost deserved to be there, but Megadeth will be back. What do you want to say about this one? I think it's classic Megadeth. I think it's thrashy. It's fast. It's what everyone thinks Megadeth should sound like. And it's very well done, I think, actually.
00:10:15
Speaker
Yeah, we haven't done an album review for Megaleth. You did a reaction, didn't you? I did. I did a reaction to Night Stalkers, I think, off of the same album. Yeah. And I think this album was a big success for Megaleth. They'd sort of come back to their roots of air. You can hear it straight away. It's just fast. It's fast. That solo is incredibly technical. It's got really heavy riffs going in towards the end. I think this is actually one of the most deserving souls to be in this list. And I do hope it wins because Megaleth are like metal legends, thrash legends.
Metal Representation at the Grammys
00:10:44
Speaker
again yeah and again Aussie and Tony they've done their part but this is not really a metal song turnstile sorry not for me ghost fine accessible modern metal it's all right it's a metal song you know um but yeah yeah i agree that i think mega death really like deserve to win this and this is what you know when you think of heavy metal you think of the big four fresh you think of these names you know like mega death
00:11:13
Speaker
You do. And I think it definitely, definitely deserves to win this. Who else should be in there? I think Slipknot should be in this. I think, actually, Machine Head deserved a space in this. And I actually reckon, do they have another section for Metal? Apart from performance, is there anything else? No, I don't think there's a Metal album or a live band of the year. Yeah, see, there should be an album.
00:11:42
Speaker
This should be maybe the best metal vocal performance as well. No one cares about metal enough to make three different categories. The standard person doesn't want to hear more about heavy metal, but you're right. It should. It should. If you're going to give every other genre like three categories, why not do this?
00:12:02
Speaker
i think so i agree because this is just this is why we have turnstile muse and like i don't know aussie and tony song that's clearly not metal in the metal category because they don't know where to put it maybe you know they just don't know what it is yeah was this funny i mean
00:12:24
Speaker
I think they are metal songs, but I don't think they're the metal songs that should be in there. I think, you know, like the Muse and the blackout thing, it's like the modern metal and the Tony and the Aussie thing, it's kind of like hard rock. But what about Machine Head? Slipknot, Corn, Parkway Drive, Lamb of God, you know. So many, honestly.
00:12:47
Speaker
I feel like there's just more dessert like metal, like not muse a hard rock band writing a metal song, not a blackout, a punky electronic band with some heavy metal riffs. Metal. You're metal. And you know what? They actually put Aussie in one of the rock categories as well, I think.
00:13:09
Speaker
yeah yeah i think i saw that and but it's a rock song yeah yeah this shouldn't be on the metal list this one who do you want to win i want mega death to win i think they deserve this and i think they're the definition out of all these songs they're definitely the definition of metal metal
00:13:27
Speaker
Yeah, it's interesting. I'd be happy, I'd love Megadeth to win it, but I'd be happy for Ghost to win as well because Ghost are this kind of, this staple metal band that are rising, especially the last year or so. And if Ghost are like an example of a modern metal band, then I'm fine with that because it's just, they're accessible. You've got your metal music, but they, you know, we list all the genres before pop rock. And I think that's a big one, pop rock, because you can sing along to Ghost choruses. And I think if Ghost winning this,
00:13:57
Speaker
means that some people will come to the world of metal i'll take it but i'm just not comfortable with muse winning or no or ozzy i mean ozzy because it's ozzy does it muse winning metal performance of the year yeah it just doesn't really sit in my head if it was best rock performance of the year yeah yeah you could make an argument for muse and ozzy and tony
00:14:20
Speaker
Ozzy and Tony are in there because they are Sabbath and they are generally associated with heavy metal. I think we've just got to look past that, but with the blackout thing and the muse... I hate... sorry, Turnstile is the band. Turnstile and Muse, I agree with you. If I make a rock category, put them in.
00:14:34
Speaker
It's like, it just feels like there's people here who have missed out, who should be in there. Corn wrote some amazing songs this year, she had not wrote a few songs. Machine Head have written a great album. It's like, you know. Yeah, they should be there. People are more deserving. I actually think Crop Flynn posted something about it this morning. What did he say? He said that the Academy had missed someone. Yeah, you, Rob. Yeah, they've missed you. And I agree. Who do you guys want to win, please?
00:15:04
Speaker
leave the comments below and i know what you're gonna say lots of metal fans say who cares about grammys metal fans don't care about grammys i care because it's it's it's how the world perceives heavy metal if you've got you know when when when adele inevitably wins the the best album thing people are going to go to bbc news to look at who else won and i don't want someone to see best metal performance and see blackout by turnstile i want them to see
00:15:34
Speaker
machine head, Megadeth, Ghost. I want them to know what metal is, because if people then look at that and think, oh, this is metal now, so blackout by turnstile, this is what modern metal is. But it's kind of a bit of a lie, because we know that there is this metal, like Bring Me The Horizon, Muse, and turnstile, where it's kind of electronic, kind of produced, kind of hip-hoppy, drum and bass-y with metal instruments over it, but that's not
00:15:58
Speaker
the be all and end all of metal in 2022. So I do care because I want it represented properly. So if Megadeth wins, that'll be an incredible win for metal because that means an actual metal band would have won it. That's very well put. I do agree with you. And Grammys, you know, as much as like metal fans say that no one cares about them and stuff,
00:16:19
Speaker
It's exactly what you said, you know, and I think in the end, actually, it does matter for the development of the genre for sure. To the furthering of it, yeah, getting new fans as well. But we do need new categories, please.
00:16:34
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